My jaw dropped when Microsoft explained what Recall does. It's one of those things you'd make a joke about and everybody laughs, but doesn't get taken seriously - because it's that bad of an idea. But for some reason, it actually made it into real code, and even passed internal reviews and meetings.
@@Leverquin Takes a screen shot every so often. Could have a password manager open, could have your bank's website open, could have confidential business documents open, doesn't matter. The reason is to allow you to "recall" something that happened earlier. Very poorly thought out, crudely implemented, should have been an API that apps could hook into.
I definitely remember when Linux was a desert for games. I tried, then gave up and went back to Windows. Then Microsoft started doing problematic stuff with Windows 10 & 11 - and Windows 11 was the last straw. I tried Linux again - and this time gaming support is completely reversed. Linux is also a lot easier to use in general than it used to be. I'm here to stay now. My home PCs are moved over to Linux.
Good for you. I am really considering that transition. I don't like being forced to throw away my older hardware (i7-6700k) which runs fine, because of Win11 requirements. So, I'll probably keep one system Win10, but the rest of my stuff (like a Windows fileserver) I do plan to move to Linux.
@@PoeLemicI like the fact that you have the choice. I have been using Linux since 1998, and I have been _Linux only_ since around 2001. The best computer related thing that I have ever done. Older hardware stays completely useful and competitive for probably three times longer than it does with Windows.
I tried and then fell back to consoles. Been mainly a console gamer until this very year. Now I main a PC for gaming yet again. I'm having the time of my life. 🤣 Cheers.
@@PoeLemic I've also made the transition. I personally play mostly singleplayer games with the exception of some modded minecraft servers. And all of it just works man. With zero performance loss as well. In fact, it might be performing even better. I'm super glad I've made the switch. Can also recommend Tuxedo OS or Linux Mint if you want to make the switch.
Every single game I play works 100% fine on Linux, except one game. Wuthering waves. Linux just cracked 4.5% market share. Developers will come by when this percentage is higher. Give it some time.
Haven't the anime game launcher team already made a launcher for wuthering waves? I haven't tried it but I assumed it essentially worked just like genshin by getting around the anti cheat kernel requirement Edit: nevermind, I checked the page of the launcher and it is a public archive. It states that the game is currently not playable on linux
I have been gaming on Linux for the last 5 years since I switched to Linux full time, and the experience is far from perfect depending on which type of games you play. But, everything, and I repeat, everything I play works thanks for the amazing community of volunteers that go out of their way to make sure stuff just works, so I have nothing to complain about it - but that also introduces few other problems, with some games being only playable if the community is active, if the community dies, the only way to play it on Linux also dies - Steam is the biggest platform to distribute games, but not the only one, many people seem to forget that. However, if someone that I know asks me if Linux is ready for gaming, and I see that they don't play games with kernel anticheat and they have am AMD card, I would say yes, because that's what I've been running/playing, and as our savior Todd once said: "It just works"
@@factsoverfeelings1776 This isn't because Linux is bad for gaming though. It is because everyone writes games for Windows, and Proton does the heavy lifting. When valve wrote the Left 4 Dead Linux port, it was quite a bit faster than windows.
Fun fact some older games work on Linux better than on Windows 10. I had moments where some older games didnt run at all on Windows but on Linux they did
"... like Nobara, Bazzite, Drauger and others." i really can't understand how everybody miss CachyOS. With high chance this distro will give you better gaming performance than others
Because CachyOS is not made for gaming specifically, the beginning of the quote that is missing from your comment is “gaming centric distros like” CachyOS may be good for gaming sure but that’s not its primary focus. I wasn’t recommending these anyway but rather explaining they exist. I do plan to make a video specifically about CachyOS though
Pretty good breakdown! I switched from windows to Linux back in 2019 and I never see myself going back. Any games that have developers that are hostile to Linux simply aren’t worth my time.
I am a returning linux user and oh boy there is a huge difference from 10 years ago, luckily I don't play any game with kernel level anti cheat. But yeah outside of those few games the experience is better than windows since the os is lighter and more stable. We also have equivalent tools to monitor the performance of hardware. You may need to tinker a little bit more than windows but with each update is getting easier and easier to set up games
I use Win 11 at work, that has showed me clearly I don't want to switch from win10 to win11 when win10 stops getting security support. The fact that it took almost 2 years to add back in features to the taskbar we had since win7, shows that the direction Microsoft has for win11 is not what I want. I can think of one thing win10 got over win7 where I said "nice, I want that". Win11 feels disruptive/in your way to someone who has been using Windows for decades. That and not being able to completely remove stuff has made me look into Linux again.
Gaming on Linux is 9/10ths indiscernible from gaming on Windows. Wine, Proton and other compatibility layers have come a LONG way, and now not only do I get identical performance on most games on my Linux-based gaming rig (obligatory "By the way, I use Arch"), but in many games, I get better performance due to how extremely optimized I can make the system -- I compile my own kernel tailored to my exact hardware which, while not a thing new users will be able to do, is still an option should they want to learn and be able to wring every drop of performance out of their system. The only points of contention for gamers migrating from Windows that I see are: 1) The inherent learning curve that comes with learning a new OS and how to do stuff in said OS. "Linux Noob" distros like Zorin, Mint and Pop! OS effectively nullify most of this curve though. Not only are those distros and distros like them as easy to learn as Windows, but can be made to look and feel exactly like Windows if need be. 2) The fact that if you have a huge game library, odds are that you will have to tweak some settings (especially in Wine) to get some games working/working perfectly that would "just work" in Windows. As compatibility layers improve, though, the number of games that require any sort of pre-/post-install configuration is decreasing all the time. Out of my library of 100+ games, I've had maybe 3 or 4 that required any sort of futzing about with Wine (2 of which were extremely old games; see point 4). 3) Installing non-native games has typically been a bit more complex than installing them natively on Windows, but that's quickly becoming a thing of the past. Things like Lutris (and the tailored "it just works" install scripts they host for thousands and thousands of games across all the major distribution platforms) make the vast majority of games essentially a 1-click install (well, a few more clicks than 1, but y'know what I mean). 4) There are still a handful of games that either won't work or will be a pain to get working. Ironically, in my experience, it's mostly older (like, WAY older) stuff that I have these kinds of issues with. I've had no issue running any AAA titles I've thrown at my system, but couldn't get the Windows 95 version of Sim City 2000, of all things, to work for the longest time and even then, it only barely works now and has a lot of issues. So, only a few issues and most are either mitigated to a large degree or are actively becoming more and more mitigated over time. Gaming on Linux is better than it's ever been, and it's getting better all the time.
Having been on Linux Mint for a few weeks now, Steam runs quite well, and once I found the setting to run Windows games, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. Some things I've run into, however: 1. The frequent reloading of Vulcan (sp?) shaders can be annoying. 2. No Man's Sky is constantly validating at a 5 Gig size each time I run Steam. 3. Fallout 4 worked fine until recently, then the main game menu just quit working. 4. Depending on your hardware, there can be a noticeable lag or different look to your graphics with the extra compatibility layers running. It's not a deal breaker, though. That said, I was delighted at a smooth install, smooth Steam set up, and the easy recognition of my RTX 3060, including suggesting NVidia drivers verses the standard ones. So far, sans the above, Factorio and Neverwinter Nights Enhanced Edition run great (and they are Linux native). Subnautica also runs well. Hope this perspective is helpful. Cheers!
If we want to get all EAC games on Linux, Epic Games has to get their stuff together, as the current version of EAC on Linux is pretty bad. It's not even about it not being kernel-level, It's just the case of Epic not caring about it, and not preventing basic Linux cheating methods and rarely updating it. THE FINALS uses a server side Anti-cheat and relies on it a lot, instead of purely on EAC, so that's also a solution.
I will never understand the publishers throwing money away by not supporting Linux when Valve and the WINE community has done ALL the work for them.. they literally ONLY need to make a windows version, which as a Linux user I don't mind at all because I am not one those nuts that expects native versions of games atm.
if the topic is a question, the answer is almost always "No". Linux still has to address the anti-cheat issue and the dwindling number of developers that openly support Linux. After that, it's hardware and peripheral support. Recently I got a new gaming mouse. How do I update its firmware and configure it with Linux? I can't. Virtually no gaming peripheral has full support on Linux. Half measures like Piper don't cut it.
0:42 my PC runs Linuxmint as its main OS and Windows 10 as the backup one. (just for certain games and other software that aren't Linux compatible) I'm not switching to Windows 11.
I was there in the old times when the very idea of seeing a game work on Linux was absolute fantasy. To see where we're at now....... It's almost unbelievable. Every game I want to play these days works. EXCEPT, funnily enough, Half Life 2. Decided to play again for the anniversary and I just get infinite stutter with 1fps at the title screen. Switching to Proton crashes at the title screen altogether. Can't figure it out.
95% (some are just old & badly made) of my Steam games are working on linux, been enjoying that since Feb this year. 🙂👍 Win 10 was my final Windows... it's been a long road from Win 3.1 but i'm done with it.
I recently switched to Linux and started using Ubuntu... Was great for a week or two, when I wanted to play Ubuntu always crashed so I decided to Install Pop OS, I was unable to install and then I came across with the solution and Nobara 40 , I installed it , and it was the Best thing can happend to my computer. It runs everything, last night I was playing Starcraft Brood War with Lutris and it was perfect! (Whorth to mention that I also found to upgrade my Nobara 40 to Nobara 41 and it keeps getting better and My 11th gen Intel processor it's gained a new life out of the hell of Windows. ❤
98 percent of the games I've wanted to play over the past 3 years of daily driving linux os worked no problems. Lutris, Heroic and Steam Proton are amazing! Find a distro that works for you and dig in!
I am planning a build that will go full Linux. It will be my first time on Linux so it will be a learn as I go experience, however Recall is forcing the issue on me.
We can assume is just about money. As users of linux starts growing and growing sooner or later it will be juicy for publishers to develop for those users...
In the last few months gaming on linux has improved dramatically, even with wayland and Nvidia GPUs! Yeah, you'll experience a performance drop of 10-15% compared to windows (on Nvidia add a 5% to that) but overall it's not as bad as before and for the first time in 6 months I never had to switch to windows. Unfortunately there are still some games which are unplayable, mostly multiplayer games with kernel level anticheat. But a man can dream
I ended up with CachyOS as my daily driver. I had dualbooted Win 10 and Mint for a year on an old rig. For my gaming, which is 95% single player games these days, the change to full time Linux has been painless.
Right now, not super great. NVidia is putting out some updates for that, but the most popular distros probably won't be supporting it until their next major version drop when they update their bundled Linux Kernel so that they'll play nice with the updated NVidia drivers. To that end I haven't made the jump to Wayland personally yet. No idea how that works out for a rolling release like Arch but it kinda makes me tempted to spin up a secondary Arch boot just so I can find out.
@@AnnCatsanndra The big issue was the XWayland flickering on drivers prior to 555, so yeah any distro that still ships the stable driver (+ stable XWayland/DEs) is basically unusable on Nvidia. On Arch the Nvidia Wayland experience has been very close to AMD for about half a year now.
I can't give an absolute answer to that, but I struggled a lot on my gaming PC with an ancient GTX 980ti that just didn't work with Wayland in the past. Also the performance was not great. The last 3 months I used Wayland on Bazzite and it was mostly smooth sailing. Even some bugs that were there with x11 are just solved, so for me it is working better with Wayland overall. Only some games have slightly less fps, but I don't feel that in games, like only a few percent.
With Proton and Gamescope playing games is quite neat! There are still some persistent issues, though, mainly with older titles, unfortunately. I'm looking forward to Valve resolving those so that I could ditch Windows for good! I mean...I don't play any anti-cheat games, so if you do the story might be a wee different!
One unfortunate issue I've run into is with visual novels. Those tend to have embedded videos that just don't work on Linux. In my experience the rest of the visual novel will work fine, but any videos like openings and endings will just get skipped over. These seem to rely on Windows Media Player (or maybe it's Windows Media Center now, I don't remember) and from what little info I've been able to locate on the subject, Windows Media Player is either really difficult, or outright impossible to get working on Linux.
The only thing right now holding me back from switching to Linux is the lack of Parsec host/server software for Linux. Once Parsec releases that, Windows will be rapidly kicked to the curb in my house. (Does anyone know of any low-latency desktop-streaming software for Linux which has clients for Mac and Windows? Because I don't *have* to use Parsec -- it's just the only low-latency remote-access software I'm aware of.)
haha clever plug at the end! was waiting for the answer but you just let it hang :P I've had a terrific experience with PopOS for general computing. Their addons and extra power management etc is stable and never let me down. Curious to see how they handle the new Cosmic desktop
Thanks :D the plug at the end does send to a new video but the answer is provided within the first 30 seconds of that video so I think that works fine. lol I agree, PopOS is solid and is only now not in my list to recommend because of the questions about COSMIC and when that is coming out.
when waylan /nvidia get settled down and we finally have some form of accessibility framework (orca/nvda style screen reader required), I'll be switching full time to Linux. I ran it full time back in 06-08 on my little laptop that came with vista but could barely run it lol... Came back to Windows when I finally upgraded my computer and since I was playing pc games regularly at the time and support still wasn't there for linux yet. Now though, I'm loving my steam deck and wishing for full low vision access software to catch back up so I can go back to full time Linux now that gaming's good :D
@@ernesthader1109 SteamDeck desktop mode doesn't have simple access to a screen reader program yet due to waylan and the accessibility stack issue it currently faces.
Interest data a saw today. In total of computer usage (desktops and laptops only) we gamers have 23.3% share on gaming market. In this total Linux gamers are 2.3%, to be honest this is a awsome data! 8 years and Steam create a game change. I Will test Linux for gaming. I hope i enjoy it.
Almost none of my games work on Linux. Not even the ones that ranked silver or better compatibility. Most simply don't start at all and the few that do run with unplayable single digit FPS. And as long as I can't find out what the problem is and how to fix it, I won't switch to Linux, because that's a major dealbreaker for me. The last time I had such problems on Windows was in the 90's. And those 30yo games run better on a modern Windows now than they did on the one they were released for.
@@michael_tunnell Not only silver, but Gold too. I play mostly niche games like JRPGs. Until the new Mint that came out earlier this year, no game started at all. After the new Mint I got at least Tokyo Xanadu to start, but it ran like a slideshow. Tried switching between all available Proton versions with no results. Tried some of the other game launchers, like Lutris, Wine and Heroic. No Change. Other games I tried include the Neptunia games, Akiba's Trip, the Trails/Kiseki games, Tales of Berseria and that are only the Steam games. Older games I have on disc and such that I've downloaded the offline installer from GoG, I couldn't even get to install, because Linux can't handle exe-files. If I have to go through that hassle for every single game in my collection, then Linux simply might not be for me. Which is a shame because for simple everyday tasks like office work, online surfing and media playback, it works just as good as Windows. But all of those things work on Windows too, plus all of my games, even really old ones that had problems running on XP and Vista, run without problems since Win7. I simply don't have the same patience from back in the 90's anymore. I want everything to run right out of the box, because that's been the standard for at least the last 15 years and I don't want to go back to how it was back on Win95 when I had to fight for every single game to work!
I see. Mint is not the most compatible with some esoteric games like you saw. I’m curious if Zorin OS would be better because they do extra stuff for WINE support with exe files. I can’t say it would work but it might
@@Luquinha-qf4kb I have never heard of Valorant or Gentoo. And I had been watching anime for many years before someone tried to trick me into watching Boku no Pico. And by that time I had already been on the internet long enough to not blindly trust a random stranger and do my research first. It seems you haven't seen the long wall of text I wrote before, because RUclips is either hiding or deleting my posts.
The Windows 11 24H2 update broke my desktop, so I installed Mint Cinnamon instead. I haven't used Linux (mainly Ubuntu and Puppy) in about 10 years, but Mint is so easy to use that it's not an issue. I wish I could get rid of Windows completely, but two of the games have anti-cheat and can't be played on Linux. I ended up installing Windows 10 on my other NVME drive for those two games.
Always love to see the torch being held high! I'd be curious on (and this is a niche within a niche)- I am curious a deep dive on linux gaming in the competitive realm. I'm hard-pressed to find pros using linux in any competitive gaming scenes, even for the valve-backed ones. I can't account to that solely being the popularity dominance of Windows, I believe there's heightened sensitivity in competitive games for stability & consistency. One odd bug or quirk that only happens on *nix but goes away on Windows; no one would let that be reason some important match was lost. I think that same fear is present in a lot of regular players, too That said as I think this out I'm circling back to the popularity again; if *nix was the dominance-used OS then aforementioned odd bugs/quirks would be better caught via QA, i.e. roles would be reversed. Good ol' chicken & egg situation..
I'd say Linux has been ready for gaming for a few years now if you stick mainly to STEAM, and Proton with an AMD, or Intel GPU(I can't speak for Nvidia as I don't use them), and I say if a game does not support Linux because of stupid DRM then they are not worth your money.
Linux flawlessly supports all the games *I* play, but then again, as those games are Tux Kart, Minetest, Nethack, and Battle for Wesnoth, the average Linux gamer's experience may vary.
If I use a Linux distro to game on my windows INTEL based laptop, is windows still tracking my data via the chip or does installing Linux over that completely cut windows from scraping my data? If windows still has access to my data then I’ll just dual boot instead.
I don't have much trouble with most games from this century except one that requires the EA app (which has trouble). Now, some games from the late 90s have given me trouble. Generally, I still give preference to games with native Linux support and am weary of anything less than a platinum rating on ProtoDB. I use Kubuntu, since I've had a preference for KDE since the 90s.
Gaming was always possible on linux, depending on what you expected of it. before steam+proton came along, you could play games in emulators, no new releases ofcourse, but still many fun games could be played. before steam came along there was a moment where it seemed linux gaming would pick up. Loki started creating very good native linux ports (i bought all of these), there was also a very early proton-like version of wine called wineX (later renamed to Cedega), which i also bought, and allowed you to play some of the big AAA pc games (diablo, wow, guildwars, warcraft 3, half life 2, etc). ID Software and Epic games even released native binaries of their games (quake/unreal)! Unfortunately this effort could not get enough attention/traction and both Loki and Cedega failed eventually. Oh, and one last thing, I don't want to forget the unsung developer heroes of open source games, some of which are really nice; freeciv, battle of wesnoth, etc.
Proton is so good if a game is not playable right now it means the developers are actively blocking it. Probably got a microsoft deal or something. Those anticheat games even are able to run on linux, it's just that they kick you out after they detect you're not using windows. That kick is a feature that has to be implemented by the developers who otherwise could've used the effort to just use the anticheat on linux provided by valve. Therefore if a game is doing that I don't wanna play it
Linux not only plays (most of) Windows games, but it also runs them BETTER on mid-low PCs. I have tested this, since my 8+ years old PC could barely run a few Windows games on Windows, but run them flawlessly on Linux. This is because Linux consumes less CPU and RAM than Windows.
About so-called game ready Nobara distro. I've installed this Linux distro for testing and disappointed with it. Plasma on Nobara was very glitchy. I've tried to launch older games like Skyrim via Proton on Steam and Skyrim starting to play with huge drop of fps. May be around 5 fps. Tried Arch based like Manjaro or EndeavourOS and they worked perfect! So in my experience best distros for gaming are Arch based distros.
Nobara is a very new project made by a very small team, mostly just one person so there are things to do for sure. I just put it in the list because it is made for Gaming but I also only mention it alongside the message that there may be some additional steps needed from the user to get it working as they want it to. However, Bazzite is a really good distro that is based on Fedora and has a lot of cool gaming improvements. I would say check out Bazzite if you want to try a Fedora base gaming distro. I would be very interested in what your tests result with. Yes, Arch base has some benefits but I wonder if Bazzite can do the same.
Fine and all, but I still prefer games to be made with Linux in mind. This approach is fine for all previous games but I wish they would just make newer games compatible with Linux.
Anti-cheat is still a problem for Linux gaming. I built a Bazzite box for gaming in my living room and it runs most of the games I want to play. I ditched windows about 4 yrs ago and it is getting better for gaming on Linux for sure.
If you consider KVM gaming in a Windows VM with GPU passthrough "Linux gaming" then yes, it's pretty damn ready. (And please do not argue with me unless you're willing to get your ass kicked by me and my Linux host in any game of your choice.)
Usually the games that don't work on Linux even with proton are the online multiplayer, MMO, co-op games that come with anti cheat software because companies don't want to make it compatible with Linux. Me personally I don't have that problem because I pretty much don't care about those games.
I don't really like competitive shooters, I mainly play single player games (The Elder Scrolls and Fallout are my go-to's), so gaming on Linux has been absolutely amazing for me. I even get better performance in WINE/Proton than I did on Windows. Also, games should be developed for Proton/WINE and Windows, not Linux; it's cheaper that way and easier on the devs. Unless Valve goes under any time soon, do we really need native Linux games? Honestly, Linux native ports of games tend to break over time, while Proton gives you the ability to control the dependencies for each game in its own prefix. I make a prefix for every single game and no, I don't use bottles; I use protontricks-gui for the default prefix location, and the CLI for a custom location on a different drive. P.S. Almost ALL emulation runs better on Linux than on Windows; the only thing I've had an issue with is Xbox emulation, but Xbox emulation kinda sucks in general anyway. RPCS3 is my go-to emulator for anything from the PS3/360 era (the classic Resident Evil games are REALLY good on PS3); it's the best emulator out there both in usability and performance.
game support on steam deck is spotty at best. if you're saying that pc linux gaming is analogous in terms of support, that is a dubious endorsement of pc linux gaming.
Nintendo Switch game support is spotty at best. I’m saying the Linux platform can run any game as long as the dev allows it to and also thousands of games regardless of the devs considered Linux or not
@@michael_tunnell Ok I think I get what you're saying but that doesn't really make any difference. If we're resorting to technicalities and semantics here - even if "linux is ready for gaming" it doesn't matter to gamers if "gaming is not ready for linux", to paraphrase the difference between linux being capable of running games versus games actually being developed to run on linux.
The switch is a limited gaming platform, not all platforms can play all games. Linux gets crap for not playing some games, the switch is purposefully isolated and yet it’s okay. Linux is incredibly impressive to be able to play games that were never meant to be able to play on it. There’s so much negativity around what Linux can play now vs the value the platform offers to gaming. I think what I said in the video is fair. I point out the platform can do it but there are speed bumps for some games.
Good question because there are a lot of similarities but Linux and Mac are also quite different. They are kind of like cousins in some ways but also quite different. For example Linux uses Vulkan and Mac uses their own system called Metal and proton is made for Vulkan
In 2024 Linux is there. In allot of games Linux works better than windows. With the ability of running custom Kernels like Cashyos does, it's even better.
Got League of Legends to work on Linux "technically." Via Looking Glass using Windows 11 LTSC. But do this at your own risk. Riot can ban the account because TOS reasons. I like to live dangerously.
I use Linux since 3 years now, most games work fine from scratch didnt miss any game which i coudlnet play on linux. and yeah that recall thing doesnt concern me 🤣
There are very few games I tried to play that don't work on my Steam Deck, most of them are regarding Anti Cheats that deliberately don't support Linux. Some are movie file related. Some file formats aren't supported on Linux so cutscenes may not work at all GTA5 Online is the latest example. They suddenly used an AC and now barred all Linux users from GTA Online. All they'd have to do is check a box to allow Linux, but they won't The games that don't support Linux, like EG, are unfortunately deliberate For distros, until SteamOS becomes official, I'd recommend GarudaOS
I would switch to linux if the multiplayer games I played worked on Linux, or if there was a quick and no restart required way to switch to windows and play the game.
It’s possible to do it without rebooting but it requires having a couple GPUs in a desktop to pass a GPU through to a virtual machine. This makes it possible. As for the games, which ones are those?
@@michael_tunnell Fortnite is the only one I can think of that doesn't have a 3rd party solution. But from what I've seen Epic doesn't want to support Linux at least for Fortnite.
Epic will when the market demands they do, they just don’t want to until they have to. Tim Sweeney is a bit anti Linux but only when it comes to him putting in effort. If Linux becomes big enough he said Fortnite would be ported but he also didn’t say what counts as big enough so who knows. Personally I’d be okay with rebooting for that because it’s a lot simpler and cheaper to do but I’d you want to do the GPU Passthrough that is an option
I don't buy games from EA, Ubisoft, Activision/Blizzard, Rockstar or any other scum company that limits my user experience for their profit. And I'm perfectly fine. There are thousands of great games to play. It also protects me from the 25th boring remaster of Assassin's creed, FIFA or COD. I also noticed that almost all the games that don't work on Linux have a terrible rating. So I'm just sticking to the good game. BTW I switched to Linux with Suse 7 over 20 years ago. At this point not even all hardware was supported. I know those dessert years.
I hate windows but i will stick to it when it comes to gaming, at this point i dont want to go through the hoops & loops just to get a game running. I had already lost interest in gaming for a very long time but gradually building up again. Anything that will cause me any kind of stress when it comes to gaming will make me ignore the game altogether
@michael_tunnell Well I am a PC player who loves modding when it comes to games. What I have found out is majority of the mods doesn't work when using Linux because some of my games need 3rd party software in order to mod the games. And majority of these 3rd party software don't work well on Linux and sometimes not compatible at all.
made the final plunge off windows permentatly last year before recall due to the windows 11 preformance issues on amd hardware. just have to find the right method and remember the ebb and flow of how things work. managed to get even the resource hog of a tech alpha star citizen to work this side at a good rate. only hitch is the eac or anti cheat issue with devs other than that it feels faster.
I would answer: it's like anything else with Linux vs. Windows. What are your needs and expectations? There are many games that perform well on Linux, but side by side, they don't always look as sharp. Font and/or pixel rendering can be subpar in some games on Linux. You might not notice it if you're not as particular as I am, but even playing browser-based games feels different on Linux. For example, I was playing an archery game in Chrome on Windows 11. The graphics were clear, and the colors were vibrant. When I switched to Ubuntu to play the same game, there was noticeable pixelation, and the colors seemed slightly washed out. I've observed this in many of the games I play. That said, I grew up playing on Atari, the original Nintendo, Sega Genesis, etc., so these issues don't bother me enough to stop playing games on Linux.
I think Publishers might if they heard the reasons why. I think people "dont like change" and thus they stick to "what works" instead of trying Linux but if they tried it then they would see it would work for them. I know it likely will have little impact to the executives who make these decisions but I am making a video for them to see all the benefits and who knows
FPS depends on the game, RE Village gives 10% more fps vs running it on windows, World of Warcraft Classic about 16% more fps, League of Legends only works on windows cause there is no emulation for the Riot Vanguard and windows kernel level anticheat, Diablo 2 Resurrected depends on where you are in the game and if you have a mod that removes the lava glow in act 4 river of flame, if you have that mod it depends on the location but the fps gain is 2-20% vs windows, minecraft runs upwards of 50% faster on Linux, that is the games i have and play maybe others can add to the list of games running better on Linux.
I wasnt saying that was always the case but there are times where it still happens especially with people having to compensate for something changing in a game or if they are streamers and that kind of thing. But mostly it was to give an example of doing tweaks in Linux and tweaks in Windows aren't really that different of an experience.
My jaw dropped when Microsoft explained what Recall does. It's one of those things you'd make a joke about and everybody laughs, but doesn't get taken seriously - because it's that bad of an idea. But for some reason, it actually made it into real code, and even passed internal reviews and meetings.
@@logicalfundy what does recall do
It recorsabyour activity 24/7. Everything that happens on screen. EVERYTHING. Key presses too afaik. 0 privacy.
@@Leverquin Takes a screen shot every so often. Could have a password manager open, could have your bank's website open, could have confidential business documents open, doesn't matter. The reason is to allow you to "recall" something that happened earlier. Very poorly thought out, crudely implemented, should have been an API that apps could hook into.
@@logicalfundy ... Wow. Impressive
So just remove it
I definitely remember when Linux was a desert for games. I tried, then gave up and went back to Windows. Then Microsoft started doing problematic stuff with Windows 10 & 11 - and Windows 11 was the last straw. I tried Linux again - and this time gaming support is completely reversed. Linux is also a lot easier to use in general than it used to be. I'm here to stay now. My home PCs are moved over to Linux.
Good for you. I am really considering that transition. I don't like being forced to throw away my older hardware (i7-6700k) which runs fine, because of Win11 requirements. So, I'll probably keep one system Win10, but the rest of my stuff (like a Windows fileserver) I do plan to move to Linux.
@@PoeLemicI like the fact that you have the choice.
I have been using Linux since 1998, and I have been _Linux only_ since around 2001.
The best computer related thing that I have ever done.
Older hardware stays completely useful and competitive for probably three times longer than it does with Windows.
I tried and then fell back to consoles. Been mainly a console gamer until this very year. Now I main a PC for gaming yet again. I'm having the time of my life. 🤣
Cheers.
@@PoeLemic I've also made the transition. I personally play mostly singleplayer games with the exception of some modded minecraft servers. And all of it just works man. With zero performance loss as well. In fact, it might be performing even better. I'm super glad I've made the switch. Can also recommend Tuxedo OS or Linux Mint if you want to make the switch.
Every single game I play works 100% fine on Linux, except one game. Wuthering waves. Linux just cracked 4.5% market share. Developers will come by when this percentage is higher. Give it some time.
@pupip55 nope. It just reached 4.5% last week or so. I remember a couple of years ago it was 2.8%.
I wish wuwa would work. 😭 I wouldn't need windows at that point.
I couldn't launch Assassin's Creed Mirage no matter what I did
I play wuwa on linux (patching is required)
Haven't the anime game launcher team already made a launcher for wuthering waves?
I haven't tried it but I assumed it essentially worked just like genshin by getting around the anti cheat kernel requirement
Edit: nevermind, I checked the page of the launcher and it is a public archive. It states that the game is currently not playable on linux
Microsoft gives two great reasons to switch to Linux, Recall and the hardware 'requirements ' for Windows 11.
I have windows 11 installed on an old Lenovo laptop with no issues. You just got to know what you are doing...
I have been gaming on Linux for the last 5 years since I switched to Linux full time, and the experience is far from perfect depending on which type of games you play. But, everything, and I repeat, everything I play works thanks for the amazing community of volunteers that go out of their way to make sure stuff just works, so I have nothing to complain about it - but that also introduces few other problems, with some games being only playable if the community is active, if the community dies, the only way to play it on Linux also dies - Steam is the biggest platform to distribute games, but not the only one, many people seem to forget that.
However, if someone that I know asks me if Linux is ready for gaming, and I see that they don't play games with kernel anticheat and they have am AMD card, I would say yes, because that's what I've been running/playing, and as our savior Todd once said: "It just works"
I feel like UE 5 games runs wierd, it's not much better on windows though.
@@WkaelxGood thing the main game i want to be playing on Linux was made on Unity.
@@Luquinha-qf4kb Not good, but since most games still use UE4 not a huge problem, still something to be looking into.
Bro how to play pir@ted games
@@ghostsvoiceuse LUTRIS. There's tutorial about it on youtube.
Been playing on linux for nearly 15 years now. It is as ready as it will ever be.
True but it is still no where near where WIndows is for gaming.
@@factsoverfeelings1776
This isn't because Linux is bad for gaming though. It is because everyone writes games for Windows, and Proton does the heavy lifting.
When valve wrote the Left 4 Dead Linux port, it was quite a bit faster than windows.
@@schrenk-d Obviously.
Fun fact some older games work on Linux better than on Windows 10. I had moments where some older games didnt run at all on Windows but on Linux they did
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 already got a Platinum rating on protondb. So it basically works perfectly out of the box. Id say gaming for Linux is overall ready.
"... like Nobara, Bazzite, Drauger and others." i really can't understand how everybody miss CachyOS. With high chance this distro will give you better gaming performance than others
It will give you a faster desktop experience as well. It feels so much snappier than any other distro i have tried. I use it for work 100%
We'll see how long this distro last. 10 years down the line, heck even 5 years.
@@NeptuneSega we can same about other distros which he named, thing ehat insais is still valid
Because CachyOS is not made for gaming specifically, the beginning of the quote that is missing from your comment is “gaming centric distros like” CachyOS may be good for gaming sure but that’s not its primary focus. I wasn’t recommending these anyway but rather explaining they exist. I do plan to make a video specifically about CachyOS though
@@michael_tunnell Okay, thank you for explanation. Waiting for CachyOS video 👍
Stalker 2 released yesterday. It works on Linux since yesterday.
I think that's pretty cool!
Pretty good breakdown! I switched from windows to Linux back in 2019 and I never see myself going back. Any games that have developers that are hostile to Linux simply aren’t worth my time.
Linux has always gamed perfectly fine. Emulation was great back in the day. With the advent of proton, gaming has been perfected.
Remember the time when we had to check wineHQ to see if the game was even able to start on Linux? Yeah, those were good times /s
I remember it well. Will go back to linux tmr for first tm in 5yrs
I am a returning linux user and oh boy there is a huge difference from 10 years ago, luckily I don't play any game with kernel level anti cheat. But yeah outside of those few games the experience is better than windows since the os is lighter and more stable. We also have equivalent tools to monitor the performance of hardware.
You may need to tinker a little bit more than windows but with each update is getting easier and easier to set up games
try bazzite os its like steam deack and has a desktop mode for browsing and using a desktop and then you can switch over to the gaming part.
I use Win 11 at work, that has showed me clearly I don't want to switch from win10 to win11 when win10 stops getting security support.
The fact that it took almost 2 years to add back in features to the taskbar we had since win7, shows that the direction Microsoft has for win11 is not what I want.
I can think of one thing win10 got over win7 where I said "nice, I want that".
Win11 feels disruptive/in your way to someone who has been using Windows for decades. That and not being able to completely remove stuff has made me look into Linux again.
Gaming on Linux is 9/10ths indiscernible from gaming on Windows. Wine, Proton and other compatibility layers have come a LONG way, and now not only do I get identical performance on most games on my Linux-based gaming rig (obligatory "By the way, I use Arch"), but in many games, I get better performance due to how extremely optimized I can make the system -- I compile my own kernel tailored to my exact hardware which, while not a thing new users will be able to do, is still an option should they want to learn and be able to wring every drop of performance out of their system.
The only points of contention for gamers migrating from Windows that I see are:
1) The inherent learning curve that comes with learning a new OS and how to do stuff in said OS. "Linux Noob" distros like Zorin, Mint and Pop! OS effectively nullify most of this curve though. Not only are those distros and distros like them as easy to learn as Windows, but can be made to look and feel exactly like Windows if need be.
2) The fact that if you have a huge game library, odds are that you will have to tweak some settings (especially in Wine) to get some games working/working perfectly that would "just work" in Windows. As compatibility layers improve, though, the number of games that require any sort of pre-/post-install configuration is decreasing all the time. Out of my library of 100+ games, I've had maybe 3 or 4 that required any sort of futzing about with Wine (2 of which were extremely old games; see point 4).
3) Installing non-native games has typically been a bit more complex than installing them natively on Windows, but that's quickly becoming a thing of the past. Things like Lutris (and the tailored "it just works" install scripts they host for thousands and thousands of games across all the major distribution platforms) make the vast majority of games essentially a 1-click install (well, a few more clicks than 1, but y'know what I mean).
4) There are still a handful of games that either won't work or will be a pain to get working. Ironically, in my experience, it's mostly older (like, WAY older) stuff that I have these kinds of issues with. I've had no issue running any AAA titles I've thrown at my system, but couldn't get the Windows 95 version of Sim City 2000, of all things, to work for the longest time and even then, it only barely works now and has a lot of issues.
So, only a few issues and most are either mitigated to a large degree or are actively becoming more and more mitigated over time. Gaming on Linux is better than it's ever been, and it's getting better all the time.
Having been on Linux Mint for a few weeks now, Steam runs quite well, and once I found the setting to run Windows games, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. Some things I've run into, however:
1. The frequent reloading of Vulcan (sp?) shaders can be annoying.
2. No Man's Sky is constantly validating at a 5 Gig size each time I run Steam.
3. Fallout 4 worked fine until recently, then the main game menu just quit working.
4. Depending on your hardware, there can be a noticeable lag or different look to your graphics with the extra compatibility layers running. It's not a deal breaker, though.
That said, I was delighted at a smooth install, smooth Steam set up, and the easy recognition of my RTX 3060, including suggesting NVidia drivers verses the standard ones. So far, sans the above, Factorio and Neverwinter Nights Enhanced Edition run great (and they are Linux native). Subnautica also runs well. Hope this perspective is helpful. Cheers!
emulation on linux is amazing. PSP, PS2, even switch. even steam games play flawlessly
If we want to get all EAC games on Linux, Epic Games has to get their stuff together, as the current version of EAC on Linux is pretty bad. It's not even about it not being kernel-level, It's just the case of Epic not caring about it, and not preventing basic Linux cheating methods and rarely updating it. THE FINALS uses a server side Anti-cheat and relies on it a lot, instead of purely on EAC, so that's also a solution.
I stopped playing when I had to let go Windows7 but now, I've spent more than 1500 hours in Baldur's Gate 3.
Baldur's Gate 3 will run on Linux?
@@johntilghman Yes, it does!
Heroic is a better option at the moment since Lutris got stuck on Proton 8 and there are no more updates , Lutris is good for older games though.
what do you mean it is stuck on Proton 8? Lutris was the first to implement the umu project which is still in early days
I will never understand the publishers throwing money away by not supporting Linux when Valve and the WINE community has done ALL the work for them.. they literally ONLY need to make a windows version, which as a Linux user I don't mind at all because I am not one those nuts that expects native versions of games atm.
I am still hesitating, as I use a HDR10 screen, and I like having that enabled. Microsoft AutoHDR is a factor for me as well.
if the topic is a question, the answer is almost always "No". Linux still has to address the anti-cheat issue and the dwindling number of developers that openly support Linux.
After that, it's hardware and peripheral support. Recently I got a new gaming mouse. How do I update its firmware and configure it with Linux? I can't. Virtually no gaming peripheral has full support on Linux. Half measures like Piper don't cut it.
This is not one of those times
0:42 my PC runs Linuxmint as its main OS and Windows 10 as the backup one. (just for certain games and other software that aren't Linux compatible)
I'm not switching to Windows 11.
I was there in the old times when the very idea of seeing a game work on Linux was absolute fantasy. To see where we're at now....... It's almost unbelievable. Every game I want to play these days works. EXCEPT, funnily enough, Half Life 2. Decided to play again for the anniversary and I just get infinite stutter with 1fps at the title screen. Switching to Proton crashes at the title screen altogether. Can't figure it out.
95% (some are just old & badly made) of my Steam games are working on linux, been enjoying that since Feb this year. 🙂👍
Win 10 was my final Windows... it's been a long road from Win 3.1 but i'm done with it.
I recently switched to Linux and started using Ubuntu... Was great for a week or two, when I wanted to play Ubuntu always crashed so I decided to Install Pop OS, I was unable to install and then I came across with the solution and Nobara 40 , I installed it , and it was the Best thing can happend to my computer. It runs everything, last night I was playing Starcraft Brood War with Lutris and it was perfect! (Whorth to mention that I also found to upgrade my Nobara 40 to Nobara 41 and it keeps getting better and My 11th gen Intel processor it's gained a new life out of the hell of Windows. ❤
I started using mint a couple months ago and love it. Much better than my previous foray into linux with sabayon and linspire
I’m glad you are enjoying Mint and yea it’s a ton easier to use than those others you mentioned. Sabayon is on the hardcore end of the distro range
98 percent of the games I've wanted to play over the past 3 years of daily driving linux os worked no problems. Lutris, Heroic and Steam Proton are amazing! Find a distro that works for you and dig in!
I am planning a build that will go full Linux. It will be my first time on Linux so it will be a learn as I go experience, however Recall is forcing the issue on me.
I play on Linux since Windows announced their recall thing. I play Hunt Showdown every day and it works like a charm.
We can assume is just about money. As users of linux starts growing and growing sooner or later it will be juicy for publishers to develop for those users...
You have a great audio in your YT videos
In the last few months gaming on linux has improved dramatically, even with wayland and Nvidia GPUs!
Yeah, you'll experience a performance drop of 10-15% compared to windows (on Nvidia add a 5% to that) but overall it's not as bad as before and for the first time in 6 months I never had to switch to windows.
Unfortunately there are still some games which are unplayable, mostly multiplayer games with kernel level anticheat. But a man can dream
I ended up with CachyOS as my daily driver. I had dualbooted Win 10 and Mint for a year on an old rig. For my gaming, which is 95% single player games these days, the change to full time Linux has been painless.
Most games works just fine. Sure some games won’t work, but I can live without those.
Worth mentioning that Heroic launcher does have a windows build and frankly is far superior to the official launcher.
For .deb distributions a PPA for mesa and the liquorix gaming kernel can be added, so the normal workhorse os get optimisation.
How is the Nvidia-wayland stuff going?
Right now, not super great. NVidia is putting out some updates for that, but the most popular distros probably won't be supporting it until their next major version drop when they update their bundled Linux Kernel so that they'll play nice with the updated NVidia drivers. To that end I haven't made the jump to Wayland personally yet.
No idea how that works out for a rolling release like Arch but it kinda makes me tempted to spin up a secondary Arch boot just so I can find out.
@@AnnCatsanndra The big issue was the XWayland flickering on drivers prior to 555, so yeah any distro that still ships the stable driver (+ stable XWayland/DEs) is basically unusable on Nvidia. On Arch the Nvidia Wayland experience has been very close to AMD for about half a year now.
I can't give an absolute answer to that, but I struggled a lot on my gaming PC with an ancient GTX 980ti that just didn't work with Wayland in the past. Also the performance was not great.
The last 3 months I used Wayland on Bazzite and it was mostly smooth sailing. Even some bugs that were there with x11 are just solved, so for me it is working better with Wayland overall. Only some games have slightly less fps, but I don't feel that in games, like only a few percent.
More like whyland. Just like fusion, Wayland is always 20 years from being ready.
Stick to what worked for the past half a century - X11.
You need to add nvidia_drm.modeset=1 nvidia_drm.fbdev=1 at the moment to get Wayland to work.
With Proton and Gamescope playing games is quite neat! There are still some persistent issues, though, mainly with older titles, unfortunately. I'm looking forward to Valve resolving those so that I could ditch Windows for good!
I mean...I don't play any anti-cheat games, so if you do the story might be a wee different!
Ive been on pop os for 2 years, I haven't run into a game that doesn't just work.
One unfortunate issue I've run into is with visual novels. Those tend to have embedded videos that just don't work on Linux. In my experience the rest of the visual novel will work fine, but any videos like openings and endings will just get skipped over. These seem to rely on Windows Media Player (or maybe it's Windows Media Center now, I don't remember) and from what little info I've been able to locate on the subject, Windows Media Player is either really difficult, or outright impossible to get working on Linux.
my pc shat itself after installing the 24h2 update, and I am now on Mint. Dear god I'm thankful I did now...
The only thing right now holding me back from switching to Linux is the lack of Parsec host/server software for Linux. Once Parsec releases that, Windows will be rapidly kicked to the curb in my house. (Does anyone know of any low-latency desktop-streaming software for Linux which has clients for Mac and Windows? Because I don't *have* to use Parsec -- it's just the only low-latency remote-access software I'm aware of.)
haha clever plug at the end! was waiting for the answer but you just let it hang :P I've had a terrific experience with PopOS for general computing. Their addons and extra power management etc is stable and never let me down. Curious to see how they handle the new Cosmic desktop
Thanks :D the plug at the end does send to a new video but the answer is provided within the first 30 seconds of that video so I think that works fine. lol
I agree, PopOS is solid and is only now not in my list to recommend because of the questions about COSMIC and when that is coming out.
when waylan /nvidia get settled down and we finally have some form of accessibility framework (orca/nvda style screen reader required), I'll be switching full time to Linux. I ran it full time back in 06-08 on my little laptop that came with vista but could barely run it lol... Came back to Windows when I finally upgraded my computer and since I was playing pc games regularly at the time and support still wasn't there for linux yet. Now though, I'm loving my steam deck and wishing for full low vision access software to catch back up so I can go back to full time Linux now that gaming's good :D
Why not try the desktop mode of steam deck to try linux out? There are videos here of tutorials about that to see and feel using linux.
@@ernesthader1109 SteamDeck desktop mode doesn't have simple access to a screen reader program yet due to waylan and the accessibility stack issue it currently faces.
Interest data a saw today.
In total of computer usage (desktops and laptops only) we gamers have 23.3% share on gaming market.
In this total Linux gamers are 2.3%, to be honest this is a awsome data!
8 years and Steam create a game change. I Will test Linux for gaming.
I hope i enjoy it.
single-player : yes.
Multi-player : noybe.
lol noybe… yes it can be nope and maybe
Almost none of my games work on Linux. Not even the ones that ranked silver or better compatibility. Most simply don't start at all and the few that do run with unplayable single digit FPS. And as long as I can't find out what the problem is and how to fix it, I won't switch to Linux, because that's a major dealbreaker for me. The last time I had such problems on Windows was in the 90's. And those 30yo games run better on a modern Windows now than they did on the one they were released for.
Which games? Also Silver is not a good rating, kind of confusing rating system they use but yea Silver means there’s a bit to do for making it work.
@@michael_tunnell Not only silver, but Gold too. I play mostly niche games like JRPGs. Until the new Mint that came out earlier this year, no game started at all. After the new Mint I got at least Tokyo Xanadu to start, but it ran like a slideshow. Tried switching between all available Proton versions with no results. Tried some of the other game launchers, like Lutris, Wine and Heroic. No Change. Other games I tried include the Neptunia games, Akiba's Trip, the Trails/Kiseki games, Tales of Berseria and that are only the Steam games. Older games I have on disc and such that I've downloaded the offline installer from GoG, I couldn't even get to install, because Linux can't handle exe-files. If I have to go through that hassle for every single game in my collection, then Linux simply might not be for me. Which is a shame because for simple everyday tasks like office work, online surfing and media playback, it works just as good as Windows.
But all of those things work on Windows too, plus all of my games, even really old ones that had problems running on XP and Vista, run without problems since Win7. I simply don't have the same patience from back in the 90's anymore. I want everything to run right out of the box, because that's been the standard for at least the last 15 years and I don't want to go back to how it was back on Win95 when I had to fight for every single game to work!
Are you trying to play Valorant or someone tricked you into using Gentoo much like someone tricking anime newcomers into watching Boku no Pico?
I see. Mint is not the most compatible with some esoteric games like you saw. I’m curious if Zorin OS would be better because they do extra stuff for WINE support with exe files. I can’t say it would work but it might
@@Luquinha-qf4kb I have never heard of Valorant or Gentoo. And I had been watching anime for many years before someone tried to trick me into watching Boku no Pico. And by that time I had already been on the internet long enough to not blindly trust a random stranger and do my research first. It seems you haven't seen the long wall of text I wrote before, because RUclips is either hiding or deleting my posts.
The Windows 11 24H2 update broke my desktop, so I installed Mint Cinnamon instead. I haven't used Linux (mainly Ubuntu and Puppy) in about 10 years, but Mint is so easy to use that it's not an issue. I wish I could get rid of Windows completely, but two of the games have anti-cheat and can't be played on Linux. I ended up installing Windows 10 on my other NVME drive for those two games.
My desktop PC is 100% dedicated to gaming and it runs Linux.
Cheers.
Always love to see the torch being held high! I'd be curious on (and this is a niche within a niche)- I am curious a deep dive on linux gaming in the competitive realm. I'm hard-pressed to find pros using linux in any competitive gaming scenes, even for the valve-backed ones. I can't account to that solely being the popularity dominance of Windows, I believe there's heightened sensitivity in competitive games for stability & consistency. One odd bug or quirk that only happens on *nix but goes away on Windows; no one would let that be reason some important match was lost. I think that same fear is present in a lot of regular players, too
That said as I think this out I'm circling back to the popularity again; if *nix was the dominance-used OS then aforementioned odd bugs/quirks would be better caught via QA, i.e. roles would be reversed. Good ol' chicken & egg situation..
I'd say Linux has been ready for gaming for a few years now if you stick mainly to STEAM, and Proton with an AMD, or Intel GPU(I can't speak for Nvidia as I don't use them), and I say if a game does not support Linux because of stupid DRM then they are not worth your money.
Every time DRM is mentioned anywhere, it's being demonic.
Linux flawlessly supports all the games *I* play, but then again, as those games are Tux Kart, Minetest, Nethack, and Battle for Wesnoth, the average Linux gamer's experience may vary.
If I use a Linux distro to game on my windows INTEL based laptop, is windows still tracking my data via the chip or does installing Linux over that completely cut windows from scraping my data? If windows still has access to my data then I’ll just dual boot instead.
I had been on the fence for years, having dual booted or preserving my windows drive externally, but recall was the last straw.
I don't have much trouble with most games from this century except one that requires the EA app (which has trouble). Now, some games from the late 90s have given me trouble. Generally, I still give preference to games with native Linux support and am weary of anything less than a platinum rating on ProtoDB. I use Kubuntu, since I've had a preference for KDE since the 90s.
I've been gaming on Linux for over a decade. You guys understand Linux existed before the Steam Deck, right?
Gaming was always possible on linux, depending on what you expected of it. before steam+proton came along, you could play games in emulators, no new releases ofcourse, but still many fun games could be played. before steam came along there was a moment where it seemed linux gaming would pick up. Loki started creating very good native linux ports (i bought all of these), there was also a very early proton-like version of wine called wineX (later renamed to Cedega), which i also bought, and allowed you to play some of the big AAA pc games (diablo, wow, guildwars, warcraft 3, half life 2, etc). ID Software and Epic games even released native binaries of their games (quake/unreal)! Unfortunately this effort could not get enough attention/traction and both Loki and Cedega failed eventually.
Oh, and one last thing, I don't want to forget the unsung developer heroes of open source games, some of which are really nice; freeciv, battle of wesnoth, etc.
yes! even on wayland
Proton is so good if a game is not playable right now it means the developers are actively blocking it. Probably got a microsoft deal or something. Those anticheat games even are able to run on linux, it's just that they kick you out after they detect you're not using windows. That kick is a feature that has to be implemented by the developers who otherwise could've used the effort to just use the anticheat on linux provided by valve. Therefore if a game is doing that I don't wanna play it
Linux not only plays (most of) Windows games, but it also runs them BETTER on mid-low PCs. I have tested this, since my 8+ years old PC could barely run a few Windows games on Windows, but run them flawlessly on Linux. This is because Linux consumes less CPU and RAM than Windows.
About so-called game ready Nobara distro. I've installed this Linux distro for testing and disappointed with it. Plasma on Nobara was very glitchy. I've tried to launch older games like Skyrim via Proton on Steam and Skyrim starting to play with huge drop of fps. May be around 5 fps.
Tried Arch based like Manjaro or EndeavourOS and they worked perfect! So in my experience best distros for gaming are Arch based distros.
Nobara is a very new project made by a very small team, mostly just one person so there are things to do for sure. I just put it in the list because it is made for Gaming but I also only mention it alongside the message that there may be some additional steps needed from the user to get it working as they want it to. However, Bazzite is a really good distro that is based on Fedora and has a lot of cool gaming improvements. I would say check out Bazzite if you want to try a Fedora base gaming distro. I would be very interested in what your tests result with. Yes, Arch base has some benefits but I wonder if Bazzite can do the same.
If Linux had full support for gaming, NO ONE would be using windows
(or if the bad game developers target Linux, lol)
Fine and all, but I still prefer games to be made with Linux in mind. This approach is fine for all previous games but I wish they would just make newer games compatible with Linux.
Anti-cheat is still a problem for Linux gaming. I built a Bazzite box for gaming in my living room and it runs most of the games I want to play. I ditched windows about 4 yrs ago and it is getting better for gaming on Linux for sure.
If you consider KVM gaming in a Windows VM with GPU passthrough "Linux gaming" then yes, it's pretty damn ready. (And please do not argue with me unless you're willing to get your ass kicked by me and my Linux host in any game of your choice.)
Tuxuracer always ran on Linux just fine...
P.S. That is how much I game on computer, Linux or otherwise So, for me it was always ready ;-0
saaaaaaaaaaaaaaame
Tuxracer is fun, but SuperTuxKart is a better game overall. And it's actually about racing instead of sliding downhill collecting fishes.
all older game just works on wine 9.20 for me, including newer on like space engine, native games like cs 2 , dota2, 0ad etc also works
my channel said YES. XD
I only fly X-Plane 12 on my Linux system. I'm not really a gamer but do enjoy a flight sim.
Usually the games that don't work on Linux even with proton are the online multiplayer, MMO, co-op games that come with anti cheat software because companies don't want to make it compatible with Linux. Me personally I don't have that problem because I pretty much don't care about those games.
I don't really like competitive shooters, I mainly play single player games (The Elder Scrolls and Fallout are my go-to's), so gaming on Linux has been absolutely amazing for me. I even get better performance in WINE/Proton than I did on Windows. Also, games should be developed for Proton/WINE and Windows, not Linux; it's cheaper that way and easier on the devs. Unless Valve goes under any time soon, do we really need native Linux games? Honestly, Linux native ports of games tend to break over time, while Proton gives you the ability to control the dependencies for each game in its own prefix. I make a prefix for every single game and no, I don't use bottles; I use protontricks-gui for the default prefix location, and the CLI for a custom location on a different drive.
P.S. Almost ALL emulation runs better on Linux than on Windows; the only thing I've had an issue with is Xbox emulation, but Xbox emulation kinda sucks in general anyway. RPCS3 is my go-to emulator for anything from the PS3/360 era (the classic Resident Evil games are REALLY good on PS3); it's the best emulator out there both in usability and performance.
game support on steam deck is spotty at best. if you're saying that pc linux gaming is analogous in terms of support, that is a dubious endorsement of pc linux gaming.
Nintendo Switch game support is spotty at best. I’m saying the Linux platform can run any game as long as the dev allows it to and also thousands of games regardless of the devs considered Linux or not
@@michael_tunnell what does nintendo switch have to do with anything?
@@michael_tunnell Ok I think I get what you're saying but that doesn't really make any difference. If we're resorting to technicalities and semantics here - even if "linux is ready for gaming" it doesn't matter to gamers if "gaming is not ready for linux", to paraphrase the difference between linux being capable of running games versus games actually being developed to run on linux.
The switch is a limited gaming platform, not all platforms can play all games. Linux gets crap for not playing some games, the switch is purposefully isolated and yet it’s okay.
Linux is incredibly impressive to be able to play games that were never meant to be able to play on it. There’s so much negativity around what Linux can play now vs the value the platform offers to gaming. I think what I said in the video is fair. I point out the platform can do it but there are speed bumps for some games.
How is the comparison with it working on Mac? If it works for Linux shouldn't it work on Mac?
Good question because there are a lot of similarities but Linux and Mac are also quite different. They are kind of like cousins in some ways but also quite different. For example Linux uses Vulkan and Mac uses their own system called Metal and proton is made for Vulkan
In 2024 Linux is there. In allot of games Linux works better than windows. With the ability of running custom Kernels like Cashyos does, it's even better.
No it's not, unless you don't value your time at all. I wanna relax and play games, not have a second and unpaid developer job.
I see you like out of date rhetoric that is no longer relevant at all
Got League of Legends to work on Linux "technically." Via Looking Glass using Windows 11 LTSC. But do this at your own risk. Riot can ban the account because TOS reasons. I like to live dangerously.
I use Linux mint xfce for gaming. I use a late 2012 Mac mini 2.5ghz cpu 16gb ram 500gb ssd. I play steam and ps2 games with no external gpu
I’m sensing a bit of snarking for recall. 😮
Just a bit? lol
I game on Linux using Lutris and I can say that the graphics look better on Linux than Windows. I really have no idea why.
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I use Linux since 3 years now, most games work fine from scratch didnt miss any game which i coudlnet play on linux. and yeah that recall thing doesnt concern me 🤣
This is thx to gabe. Thx gabe.
There are very few games I tried to play that don't work on my Steam Deck, most of them are regarding Anti Cheats that deliberately don't support Linux. Some are movie file related. Some file formats aren't supported on Linux so cutscenes may not work at all
GTA5 Online is the latest example. They suddenly used an AC and now barred all Linux users from GTA Online. All they'd have to do is check a box to allow Linux, but they won't
The games that don't support Linux, like EG, are unfortunately deliberate
For distros, until SteamOS becomes official, I'd recommend GarudaOS
I would switch to linux if the multiplayer games I played worked on Linux, or if there was a quick and no restart required way to switch to windows and play the game.
It’s possible to do it without rebooting but it requires having a couple GPUs in a desktop to pass a GPU through to a virtual machine. This makes it possible. As for the games, which ones are those?
@@michael_tunnell Fortnite is the only one I can think of that doesn't have a 3rd party solution.
But from what I've seen Epic doesn't want to support Linux at least for Fortnite.
Epic will when the market demands they do, they just don’t want to until they have to. Tim Sweeney is a bit anti Linux but only when it comes to him putting in effort. If Linux becomes big enough he said Fortnite would be ported but he also didn’t say what counts as big enough so who knows.
Personally I’d be okay with rebooting for that because it’s a lot simpler and cheaper to do but I’d you want to do the GPU Passthrough that is an option
Linux gaming is fine with exceptions being those bricked by anticheat.
However, some games do require effort to run.
I don't buy games from EA, Ubisoft, Activision/Blizzard, Rockstar or any other scum company that limits my user experience for their profit.
And I'm perfectly fine. There are thousands of great games to play. It also protects me from the 25th boring remaster of Assassin's creed, FIFA or COD. I also noticed that almost all the games that don't work on Linux have a terrible rating.
So I'm just sticking to the good game. BTW I switched to Linux with Suse 7 over 20 years ago. At this point not even all hardware was supported. I know those dessert years.
Gentoo is the best distro for gaming. Trust me on this.
I hate windows but i will stick to it when it comes to gaming, at this point i dont want to go through the hoops & loops just to get a game running.
I had already lost interest in gaming for a very long time but gradually building up again.
Anything that will cause me any kind of stress when it comes to gaming will make me ignore the game altogether
What game are you wanting to play that has hoops and loops to jump through?
@michael_tunnell Well I am a PC player who loves modding when it comes to games. What I have found out is majority of the mods doesn't work when using Linux because some of my games need 3rd party software in order to mod the games.
And majority of these 3rd party software don't work well on Linux and sometimes not compatible at all.
made the final plunge off windows permentatly last year before recall due to the windows 11 preformance issues on amd hardware. just have to find the right method and remember the ebb and flow of how things work. managed to get even the resource hog of a tech alpha star citizen to work this side at a good rate. only hitch is the eac or anti cheat issue with devs other than that it feels faster.
Only some online games which I don't play are unsupported on linux. So switching to linux was easy for me.
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I would answer: it's like anything else with Linux vs. Windows. What are your needs and expectations?
There are many games that perform well on Linux, but side by side, they don't always look as sharp. Font and/or pixel rendering can be subpar in some games on Linux. You might not notice it if you're not as particular as I am, but even playing browser-based games feels different on Linux.
For example, I was playing an archery game in Chrome on Windows 11. The graphics were clear, and the colors were vibrant. When I switched to Ubuntu to play the same game, there was noticeable pixelation, and the colors seemed slightly washed out. I've observed this in many of the games I play.
That said, I grew up playing on Atari, the original Nintendo, Sega Genesis, etc., so these issues don't bother me enough to stop playing games on Linux.
I think indie devs will pick up on linux, but Publishers absolutely won't.
I think Publishers might if they heard the reasons why. I think people "dont like change" and thus they stick to "what works" instead of trying Linux but if they tried it then they would see it would work for them. I know it likely will have little impact to the executives who make these decisions but I am making a video for them to see all the benefits and who knows
btw all games works in linux
my system arch linux + cachyos kernal and proton
i'm happy to switch gnu/linux from windows 7
btw i use arch linux
FPS depends on the game, RE Village gives 10% more fps vs running it on windows, World of Warcraft Classic about 16% more fps, League of Legends only works on windows cause there is no emulation for the Riot Vanguard and windows kernel level anticheat, Diablo 2 Resurrected depends on where you are in the game and if you have a mod that removes the lava glow in act 4 river of flame, if you have that mod it depends on the location but the fps gain is 2-20% vs windows, minecraft runs upwards of 50% faster on Linux, that is the games i have and play maybe others can add to the list of games running better on Linux.
Linux Mint - best distro for newbies
Mint is a solid option for sure, I’d put Zorin OS right up there with mint
6:58 I found that a bit BS but ok. We can say that of old games.
I wasnt saying that was always the case but there are times where it still happens especially with people having to compensate for something changing in a game or if they are streamers and that kind of thing. But mostly it was to give an example of doing tweaks in Linux and tweaks in Windows aren't really that different of an experience.
Isn't Lutris just a launcher and no compatibility tool?