@@carlosramone40 No, they said entering the latter half of it's life cycle. Which would mean an eight-year life cycle. And therefore the longest console generation in history.
That’s one of the hardest moments in gaming history, Sega’s guy trying to hype up the Saturn and then Sony’s guy just walking up on stage and saying “299” and walking off stage. That’s the moment that killed Sega lmao.
What killed Sega how making a next gen console was controversial within the company it makes Nintendo’s treatment look tame. Context Nintendo of America was hesitant to localize the snes in America
the thing that saved the ps3 is the fact that multiplayer online video games were free to play with no subscriptions needed, all you had to do was provide your own internet
@@gamecubeplayer agreed, those were honestly the best times, even if the console wasnt the best. being to play multiplayer games for free on line without having to pay for a silly subscription every month or a year was so much better.
@@Cody-k4tI’d argue you got what you paid for in those two. Wii U online was really lackluster in features and in the ps3 you were a victim of a data leak and had a weaker online experience.
I still play battlefield 3 online often on my ps3. Also, it did end up outselling the xbox 360, and while most of the early cross platform games were superior on xbox, near the end of that generation the ps3 was the console that kept pushing the bounderies and providing more than was expected, battlefield 3 and 4 were superior on ps3 for example. I can honestly say I was far more impressed by the best games on ps3 than I was by the best games on my xbox. Also, I had 4 rrod's so maybe that soured the milk a little.
The part where the video itself played inside the CRT Monitor was really cool and a great touch. Love to see such great effort being put into such a relatively small segment!
I remember as the PlayStation and Saturn were launching, a Sony marketer was quoted as saying, "if you're thinking of getting a Saturn, then you're head is in Uranus"
@DoTheAstralPlane Sony kept that energy even in modern times ragging on microsoft on how to share games with friends by literally just handing them the disc.
I personally think the analog stick on the GameCube controller is the best ever if you want precision movement. Scrap the rest of the controller but the analog stick is amazing
n64 that low is actually a crime... didn't show the following: start of MARIO PARTY and SUPER SMASH, banjo kazooie, perfect dark, diddy kong racing, star fox 64, pokemon stadium/stadium 2/snap, and many others. the n64 had a MASSIVE library of fun games... Should have been AT LEAST an A. L take by LTT. edit: going further into the nintendo section, I can see that LTT are just nintendo haters... gamecube B? LOL
The reason for the XBox Original "Duke" controller being so big is quite a story. They made a deal with a chip manufacturer that they'd use their chips in their controllers, but when the chips showed up, they were massive. But they were contractually obligated to use them, so they developed this behemoth controller that they knew wouldn't do well, but just enough to honor the contract, then immediately made an improved, smaller version.
honestly I prefer the duke over the S model. everybody complained about it but I liked it. it felt more substantial, as if the xbox was made for more mature gamers compared to nintendo and their reputation as being a kiddy console with their family oriented games and their colorful controller reminiscent of the sliding bead thing you always see in dendist/doctor's offices.
I really prefered the Duke to the model S (or whatever it was called). The newer controller's placement of the White & Black buttons was insanely bad. Like, Gamecube controller bad. I don't even have large hands & I couldn't comfortably use those buttons on the S. I wound up buying multiple Duke controllers as they were phased out so that I would never be forced to use the terrible S.
@@DoobieKeebler same. Whenever I had friends over and we were playing Halo on splitscreen I gave them the S controller and used the Duke myself. I wouldn't necessarily consider my hands being unusually large or anything, but somehow it just felt right to hold. I wouldn't mind seeing an updated version with maybe some improvements on the triggers (they always felt kinda "loose" to me), wireless, with built-in battery (that would also be not made unnecessarily difficult to replace with some know-how) that can be recharged, and some small tweaks in build quality etc (e.g. stick driting was the final blow to both my Duke controlles, if I remember correctly). Doesn't really even matter if it's first- or third-party built as long as the build quality and longevity is good enough, I'd buy it!
Another thing to add for the PS2, is that it was easy to crack and play pirate games, making so that here in Brazil, people would buy it without fear because it was the easier option to simply play games. To this day, Bomba Patch is a indie football game that is regurlarly updated for the PS2 and people still buy the console when available.
Most old consoles had been relatively easy to crack, still remember sitting at a friends house playing coop on his XBox, he'd just rent games for a day, copy the games over and had pretty much every game available on a HDD put into it. There was no one else to go to for a good old time or to try out a game before buying it, especially for anyone who had parents that paid attention that you don't crack your console yourself while you still lived with them.
@@Unknown_Genius I've never heard of parents caring that their kid cracked their console. Its such a non issue I doubt they'd even care. When I told my mom about how I cracked my PSP, she thought it was awesome actually. You must've had some weird parents.
@@lexecomplexe4083 There's a ton of parents that do. Same as there's a ton of parents that don't let their children play anything that's restricted above their age. Also depends on where you live. Where I live e.g. bypassing security measures on either games, consoles, movies or music files (especially back then) usually could (if you're caught for whatever reason) result in longer prison sentences than actual sexual assault (Ironically enough the same goes for just downloading pirated copies). And with the parents being responsible for their childs doing (until they're ~14 years old) you can take your bet that most parents did care that nothing like it happened in their house. I still remember the meme adverts about pirating and the sentences for it vividly, mainly because they played like twice every ad break on tv.
@@Unknown_Genius first time in my life that i heard that ANY parent gave a fuck about cracking. most people i know learned how to crack FROM their parents. because most of them just thought that the prices for games were ridiculus. same prison sentences btw. nobody cared. maybe you come from a REALLY rich neighborhood or something. parents even thaught each other here (and they were no gamers, it was purly for the kids) XDXD
Slight correction. You quoted Tom Kalinske for calling the partnership with sony stupid, but it was actually him quoting Sega of Japans CEO. Kalinske was on board with the partnership with Sony.
Kalinske was also on board in working with Scilicon Graphics who first came to them to get into video games (but Japan CEO said no), so they ushered them to Nintendo and became the N64. If not for Sega's infamous CEO in Japan, there would be: - No Sony PlayStation. Since Sony would have been busy making the CD add-ons - No 64-bit Nintendo. Since the chip was from SGI who originally wanted to work with Sega (and I can guarantee you Sega would not have wimped out the RAM like Nintendo did) - No Saturn. Since it didn't make sense to Kalinske why they would NOT capitalize on the already massive installed base of the Genesis (which is why 32-X came out in the first place) Instead it would have been Atari Jaguar vs 3DO vs Nintendo solo-effort vs Sega Genesis with a 64-bit add-on (basically 64-X instead of the 32-X) for the Sega Genesis, with CD peripherals by Sony. It would have been a slaughter.
If all the talk of Sega made you curious what in the world happened, the Console Wars book is actually a pretty good read. It tends to focus more on Nintendo and Sega, but there are so many interesting bits in there that'll make you say, "Huh... really?" For example, Sega of America wanted to work with Silicon Graphics (SGI) to make the graphics processor in the Genesis successor; however, Sega of Japan balked at the idea. In what would arguably be considered an act of spite, Sega of America called up Nintendo and gave them SGI's information instead, which is likely the reason why the Nintendo 64 uses SGI hardware. I believe the two folks in question were Tom Kalinksy (Sega) and Howard Lincoln (Nintendo), but I may be misremembering the players involved.
Not a very good book sadly, it's full of erroneous data, biased interpretations and conjetures, and most of the time if I remember correctly, only taking into account one side of the story instead of checking and comparing all of it Sites with interview translations and cross-checking like shmuplations are a good source of material
@@MagickPistacho can confirm, coincidentally i just finished reading this book today. Kalinsky is known to revise history and point the finger at other people for his mistakes. The book itself is very one sided when it comes to segas pov. basically amounts to Kalinsky did nothing wrong and tried to keep the ship afloat for as long as possible, which is laughable. He pushed for the 32X because he believed the genesis was still only half way through it's life cycle and didn't warrant a successor just yet, But it just wasn't a good product to begin with.
@@JonTheJoestar You can't pin everything on Kalinske, Hayao Nakayama was worried about the Atari Jaguar taking market share before the Saturn showed up in the West. The form factor of the 32X was ultimately on Sega of America, but Sega of Japan had final say on everything. Truthfully both sides of the company contributed to the eventual demise.
100 million in 3 days is impossible. The highest record in 3 days for a videogame is still the original GTA 5 release, at just 16.5 million. Remember, that is the second bestselling game of all time. Mario Kart 9 would have to be doing triple GTA 5's entire lifespan numbers in a single year, which ain't happening lol.
I'm 58 yr old gamer. I've been playing and I currently own every system that came to North America. I agree with your ranking except Colecovision. I was there when it was released and at the time arcades where in their hay day. That was the first system to truly give you that arcade experience at home. With Donkey Kong, Zaxxon, Lady Bug, Time Piolet, Pacman, Ms Pacman ect. It will always be a S tier console to me.
I agree, I remember my dad talking about how superior it was to his 2600, but he was never able to buy one before it was discontinued. It's one of the biggest what-ifs because of all the internal meddling at Coleco that couldn't decide if they wanted to be a computer company, toy company, or video game company. It's sad that I think they could've survived if they stuck with video games as a major competitor to Nintendo.
I can tell u one thing: The Xbox 360 didn't deserve the S because of the MASSIVE disaster of the red light (few people know the actual magnitude and details of that disaster)
It had terrible games, terrible ports and the only reason your parents bought it is because they were poor and couldn't afford an xbox or PlayStation. You can cry about all you want about your "quirky" console not being placed higher, but that's the truth
@@tren-y2m i hated it i want to stand up and wave my arms around while gaming like i need a hole in the head but it revolutionised the field and opened the door to gaming becoming something adults and not just kids do so it mattered the controllers were the key thats why their parents had it, parents liked that it played garden family games
What games did you play in the genesis? I haven’t had the pleasure of playing on the original hardware, but am playing a lot on the mini this year. Thunder force 3 seems to be the best game in its genre, but I haven’t played thunder force 4 yet. Since that is on the mini 2. Tempted to get that one as well. Shining force is another favorite.
Saturn was actually more powerfull, tha PSX. But it was marketing disaster and very hard to code with. Spelling it's doom. They also had shortages. Many stores didn't carry them. N64 was also more powerfull, ut is had limited storage, small libary and was almost double as expensive as the PSX. PSX games were 50-60 euro. N64 was closer to 100
@@harrihaffi2713If you’ve got a friend to play it with, Gunstar heroes is an amazing action game. Shining Force and Shining Force 2 are awesome RPGs, Contra Hard Corps for run n’ gun and Castlevania Bloodlines are all great places to start. Also heard tons of good things about Rocket Knight Adventures and Dynamite Headdy but never played them.
I think we missed some of the influental hand-held consoles (GameBoy and all its Versions, DS, DS Second Gen, DSi, 3DS, PSVita and the many more) and maybe a "console for scale" - so e.g. "Where does a modern SteamDeck rank in this, if it were one of the big players?" But I can see these all left out, at least the SteamDeck, with how fast the current landscape changes and how uninfluental things like the Neo´s, Claws and more are currently aside from being basically a movable PC in a complete formfactor. They´re less consoles than PCs, but GameBoy and Co I´d definetly have included.
7:00 Everyone forgets to mention the Wii U had a deal with EA where EA went on stage at E3 with Nintendo to announce their "very-close partnership" for the Wii U. That then EA tried to force Nintendo to use Origin and Nintendo declined and EA pulled their support for the Wii U.
That Sega comment about Sony wasn't made by Tom Kalinske, It was to Kalinske by the head of SEGA Japan when Tom was trying to make the Sony deal happen. Tom Kalinske even said that Sega of Japan turning Sony down was the dumbest decision in business history.
Great clarification and I just found out the other day Sega Of America were also in talks with Silicon Graphics after the failed deal with Sony during the development phase of the Saturn. Once again, when they did their proposal to Sega Of Japan they turned the deal down and went full steam ahead with their custom multi-processor architecture. This might be a stretch but it makes me wonder if Sega Of Japan were intentionally knee capping Sega Of America after their success with the Genesis in the west? They thumbs upped the 32X but shot down the Sega Silicon machine? lol
I think every phrase with this tone WILL end bad, for the one who say it. I thought in Enzo Ferrari telling to Lamborghini "What do you know about cars if you build tractors" kind
@@thedrunkmonkshow You are bang on the money with this. Tom even suggested that Silicon Graphics go to Nintendo with their chip. Honestly, Sega of Japan had absolutely no clue how or why they were successful.
Kalinske lost A LOT of credibility after the 32X fiasco. The fight and disagreements between Sega of America and Sega of Japan around 1993-1995 killed the company
Gen-Xer here that started gaming on the humble Atari 2600, and lived through the brutal 8-bit and 16-bit console wars. I'm legit surprised how much I agreed with this list. Good job!
Yeah. I think since you basically have to be our gen to have played all of these and thus accurately rank them, it's no surprise the list matches our experience.
@@kierasher1 A lot of older Millennials like me also started on Atari. The NES was already out by the time I was 5 but only rich kids had it and I didn't get one until many years later, but my friend down the road did have an Atari a couple of years before anyone I knew had an NES.
@@no_nameyouknow Older millenial with an even older brother that was on the line between millenial and X so I think i lucked into a broad view of the early console market by starting with an Atari (7800, had more 2600 than 7800 games though) rather than an NES. I also agree with the majority of this. Even where I'd put a system in a different spot than Linus did, his reasoning largely justified the position. Perfect example, he put the 3do in a C tier and I think its actually not a bad system at all and had a lot of solid games that I ended up playing on PSX but they started as 3do games. But the justification was that nobody bought 3do because it was too expensive. And he's not wrong. Price matters, and you can't be "Kind of a playstation-lite" at double the cost just because you hit the market before the market was ready for it. Playstation sold as much as it did because it was reasonably priced for its specs right out of the gate, as illustrated by the 299 mic drop.
Same. Other than N64, which I personally feel should be S if for no other reason than it's got titles that still today are some of the best. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Ocarina of Time, etc.
it's weird how proud I feel that I got to see this whole industry grow from Ataris, NES and 3DOs all the way to modern consoles. being an early 90s kid with an 80s brother really allowed me to experience it all, and we both really owe it to our dad and his curiosity. good times
My only gripe about this video is that every time it showed a cartridge being put into an NES they did NOT push the tray down before they closed the lid!
Its wild that there is a legit conversation for every single playstation console being an S and should more or less be A at the lowest. They really just nail it every time
I'm a beginner technician and have started purchasing and reselling old consoles to fix up and clean. I'm seeing the popularity reflected in the resale price and even the "broken as is" prices being put up on eBay. This video has been eye opening and will help steer me into which consoles will be worth fixing.
Most of the replacement cartridge connectors I've dealt with recommend not pushing the cart down. The bending of those pins when depressed is sometimes what made the OEM connector stop working in the first place.
For me at the time, the game changing feature of the OG Xbox was a built in HDD for storing game saves, as well as the ability to rip audio files from CDs and play that music thru the Xbox while you were gaming.
Another big benefit of the hard drive was that large sections of games could be cached onto it, then smaller bits quick-loaded from it. The decision to make the 360's hard drive optional meant games could no longer be designed around caching, and in-game custom soundtracks became less common too.
And modders took advantage of that. Nowadays you can install hard drives of 2 or 3 terabytes that let you install the entire game library of the Xbox. I have one with 2TB but I only have like 430 games to avoid the shovelware and repetitive sports games. 99% of the library also supports 480p. One of the best systems one can go after right now.
The fact you could have San Andreas radio stations for YOUR OWN MUSIC stored on the Xbox made me very envious as a PS2 owner. In hindsight though I’m glad it forced me to listen to all those dope-ass radio stations
*N64 and PS2 are the All-Time GOATS* The cultural impact was revolutionary. The Super Nintendo & PS1 were in the infancy stages of gaming & not as expansive.
The PS1 completely dwarfed the N64 in quality and quantity of games, and popularity. N64 has a handful of absolute gems but simply couldn't compete with the PS1, so not sure what you're on about.
N64 wasn't even as great in terms of games as the Dreamcast, let's be honest here. During it's time, no one but little kids drooled over the N64. The PSX was the thing then.
@@theofficialgreenkane Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda OOT are benchmarks, sure, but so are Soul Calibur, Shenmue, Jet Grind Radio, Power Stone etc... Every major console established a foothold in the development of gaming. Tbh, the N64 was something of a disappointment of sorts at the time, focusing on antiquated (and expensive) cartridge technology and boasting graphics far below expectations... If you had a PSX, you just didn't care about the N64 at all.
My parents got us a PS2 for Christmas in 2000. I was 8 years old and our PS1 had been my best friend for the 4 years prior. I remember being so blown away by it. Fast forward to today, I still have it, and every few years I pull it out, dust it off and play some old favorites.
I had grown up on NES/N64 and was 12 when the PS2 came out. My dad got us one for Christmas and I've been on the Sony train since. I don't own my original PS2 but I still have the slim and it gets taken out a few times a year as well. Mainly for Tekken Tag with the lads when we're all together.
The wii u was actually a ton of fun. Im one of the 10 people that has one and we had a ton of fun game nights with nintendo land, mario kart 8, and smash bros. I also grew up in a big family and so being able to play on just the tablet was really appreciated. I think the system just had really bad marketing and never lived up to its full potential because of it.
It was a good system, however Nintendo tried too hard to force-feed players with the tablet-controller. To the point you're unable to initialize the console without it. I'd say it was as bad mistake as Microsoft forcing Kinect on the XBone.
It had and still have terrible os issues having the vwii as separate from the wii u ecosystem is awfull controller also is pretty messi and loading times are awfull. The saving grace is that most of it's issues can be solved with a good mod and i'm sure it will continue improving. It's also a very strong system with 3 generation runing natively and an insane vc all of that with hdmi it's a must have once modded these days
Would've loved a list that took a look on handhelds. From the OG Gameboy to today's Switch lite, there is a lot of ground to cover, in a segment that it arguably experiencing a revival.
The PS1 and PS2 were the golden age of gaming for me growing up. I had an N64 at the time and I was jealous. When the PS2 came out I bought it with so many PS2/PS1 titles. Now there are very few game that takes risks on new IPs.
thats bc AAA companies dont take risks, and during the ps1-ps2 eras there were almost 0 real AAA games outside of EA and maybe rockstar, but even them 2 didnt become real AAA until the end of ps2 era.
Started with NES, then Sega genesis blew it out of the water.. I was an NFL nerd kid, and the 'end of life' genesis games were super nice, polished... even compared even to the 3d N64 NFL games, minus just a few. Genesis at the end of the 2d Era was better than the 'begginings of 3D' nfl games for a bit.
@@thumblessgod That is totally not true! You can thank Squaresoft with FFVII for the first AAA title on the PS1! Even Sony said at one point that that game alone was driving sales of the system!
@@phased3941 Idk ps1 and ps2 were actually legendary, the library of games for those 2 consoles alone puts every generation after it to shame. These days you're lucky to get a bookshelf worth of decent games per console gen. Back in the day you'd take a chance with 10 random games AAA to indie and 7-8 would be awesome, nowadays you'd have to get a bank loan to buy 9-10 games at the same time and 9-10 will be utterly unplayable garbage
The funny part about the N64s cartridges is all of mine still work and I'm super comfortable with my 4 year old handling and changing out games by himself without fear of them getting scratched or broken It really did have its advantages
Tried to fire up my PS2 to show my kids some games. Over an hour of not being able to read any disc before I put it back in the box. N64 still works like a dream.
Dreamcast for sure is S tier. Soul Calibur actually better graphics than arcade. Phantasy Star Online had very unique game play + first online console play, Jetset Radio first cell shaded game. While they competed games looked better than PS2 games because the PS2 was so hard to code for. There was just no stopping the Playstation brand at that point.
Dreamcast will always be S tier in my heart. The memories of going to a gas station and buying video games out of the trunk of a car is still the highlight of my gaming experiences.
I'm a little sad he didn't even mention the VMU... Having a little screen on the controller was pretty neat, plus the handful of mini games. I thought it was so cool when I was a kid.
I was probably 15 or 16, I dialled into the online chat for my "Bigpond" ISP on the console. I had a mouse and keyboard with the Dreamcast so it was basically the first "computer" I had ever owned (at the time I probably figured anything with a web browser was a computer). Anyway I met someone randomly and we made a deal that I'd buy games from them for about $10 a pop and have them mailed to me. I recall being able to use a "boot cd" to launch games.. A was a very loyal customer and one day I asked them how on earth they get these games!? And they gave me a clue.. "ISO". I had no idea what that was so I just moved on and figured it's probably something the people with fancy, fast computers would know about. I remember the first time I saw sonic... Unbelievable. It's a shame we'll never see such massive leaps again. I went from Atari 2600 > Sega Master System 2 > PlayStation > Dreamcast > PC > PS3. I just have a PC these days.
Though I don't know much about the console itself or how it functioned, I've definitely enjoyed many of the first-party games that originated on that platform, like the Sonic Adventure series, Nights, Jet Set Radio, etc. that were later ported to all sorts of other consoles.
@@Kelthor85 was it DC Chat??? I'm a child of one of the active users, others were family friends. Grew up with people I only knew of by their screen names, and would tag along with mum to pick up a bunch of burnt discs
This video looks and feels so different to any other one on the LTT channel. I for one absolutely love this style of video and hope we see more of them soon. Good stuff guys!
This is one thing i like about Nintendo. They try and do something different with their consoles instead of just putting a bigger graphics card in a box. Plus you don't have pay to use the internet that you're already paying for.
@Subvaries yes you do. You need nintendo online to play paid multi-player titles. Keep in mind that games like spatoon don't even necessarily have "servers" because the game is P2P meaning nintendo's online service is 100% a scam.
Former technician for chuck e cheese here, can confirm an F is the deserved ranking. Don't let your kids touch anything that isn't meant to be handled while playing the games. The amount of half assed repairs, botched jury rigs or just flat out ignored safety concerns is completely inexcusable bordering on down right malicious. Seeing as how corporate wants 100 hours of work done in 45 hours per week, its not completely the fault of the techs, unless they do the previously mentioned half assed botch work. I had another tech come to my store for the day to help me out, and when they left, the last game they worked on was literally smoking. Didn't say a word to me, I had to follow my nose to figure out what was burning. On a different note, if you substitute the marinara sauce for the garlic butter, the pizza actually come out pretty damn good.
At 26:51, I looked at the game and then noticed that the title seems to be incorrect. The video you've shown is from Exodus, but the title is Odyssey. I would say I'm probably the only person who noticed this.
The Dreamcast felt like a console that was transported from a better timeline. In its original world it would've been even more successful than the PS2.
I feel like the same can be said about the Saturn, but I did love the Dreamcast, yeah. So many great games. Truly underrated consoles like these deserve a better ranking.
I have a real hot take I think the PS2 is a little overrated tbh. The PS2 was actually my first console and it's got great games but most are not my thing. The PS2 was the first console to take gaming mainstream and a lot of the loved gams reflect that. It's best selling game is GTA San Andres and I am not a fan of San Andres or any GTA game for that matter. They are as wide as an open but as deep as a puddle with like a billion mechanics and minigames with most of them being shallow. You spend so much time traveling. Fable has this problem the worst. I am not big on the gamecube either. I can elaborate more if anyone cares. I feel as if the PS2 get's undeserved praise from band wagoning and people just saying it's good with no one questioning why. Notice how Linus didn't even mention any games by name ?
@@doomdimensiondweller5627It's definitely overrated! Just because it was priced well against DVD players, and had some good games. I was a PS1 and Gamecube die-hard personally Edit I forgot PS2 had PS1 compatibility too. So it's definitely not overrated
@@doomdimensiondweller5627 I think it has the largest video game library of any console and full backwards compatibility with the PS1. The PS2 didn't specialise in any one genre of video games as it was the one-stop-shop for video games in general. No matter what your preferred genre, you could find it on the PS2. Like, I get that might not be satisfying unlike PS3 vs Xbox 360 where PS3 was the console for RPGs while the Xbox 360 was the console for shooters, but the PS2 had everything. If perfection is having no flaws, then the PS2 is perfect. If perfection is having the best game library, then the PS2 is perfect by breadth and variety. I don't see how one can criticise the PS2 for what it didn't do, since it did everything, and I don't see how one can criticise the PS2 for what it did do because what it did was have everything. Even if you hate 90% of the PS2's library, that's just because you hate 90% of all games, which is fine, but that's not the PS2's fault.
@@teapouterThe original xbox could run Doom 3/ Halo CE and 2/ Project Gotham and was great for LAN parties and had a proper networking system (with the ability to speak to other players). Not to mention, a hard drive, having owned a PS2 when I was much younger I cannot tell you how frustrating it was to have no way of saving my game state simply because my parents didn't understand or bother to purchase a memory card (this was in the early 2010s mind you). As well as the simply inferior development support compared to Microsoft. Realistically speaking, there were not nearly as many or barely as many people hotsing LAN parties on that console, were there? The Dreamcast had been built with Windows PC developers in mind as well, they had a great catalogue of games. Along with good peripheral support (i.e. keyboards/mice) and interesting (although weird) features such as the ability to run an internet browser. Coupled with the fact that you were given Seganet, a free online games service and I'm still suprised to see that it failed. The Xbox had the same launch price of $299 or £299 as the PS2. Both featured a DVD drive The Dreamcast had released earlier by about a year for £200 or $200 and was significantly reduced in price. The Dreamcast seemed like such a great product, especially in its first year, is it not possible that it was the PS2's inclusion of DVD support that made the console so popular? Compared to the Xbox it also sold more despite supporting DVD, you might counter, however, the PS2 took a very conservative design choice compared to the Xbox, I wouldn't be suprised if many bought the PS2, mainly due to how it blended in with the furniture as a regular DVD player. Correct me if i'm wrong but, many in the era viewed middle-aged or adult gamers negatively(connotations that they were lazy and/or immature), and that a lot of people simply wanted the cheapest DVD drive. I think that was probably the PS2's very important success point in that regard and why so many games were built for it. Especially since there was no other practical way for mainstream gaming to be targetted at a general during the era, without consoles (smartphones were non-existent). Just my take, though, maybe if I still had my PS2, I would look at it more fondly, maybe I'm ranting due to how hard I found that 1 level in Sonic Heroes.
@@doomdimensiondweller5627Kingdom Hearts 1/2, Final Fantasy X, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus/Ico, Jak & Daxter, Okami, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill 2/3, Ratchet and Clank, Crash Bandicoot, Ape Escape, etc. All of these games are popular for a reason imo, some of the best games/franchises were on the PS2. Not invalidating your opinion just listing some bomb ass games lol
Great Video! The hallmark of a truly great video, is begrudging a 31 minute runtime only to realize "10" minutes later that the video is over, and you want more.
Fun fact - I knew chemists who bought a lot of N64s that they jury rigged into a mesh for doing molecular graphics (they used Silicon Graphics chips where standard systems used to go for 10k a piece). Navy bought a bunch of the PS3s to create a supercomputer using the cell processors.
@@ElBribri Before the Iraq invasion, which people like GWB, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, John McCain and others voted yes for, the media was spreading unfounded rumors that Saddam wanted hundreds of PS2s to make a super computer with. This rumor was used to push public opinion towards supporting the invasion, along with false information about WMDs.
This is a different scripting style for LTT, and I really like it. I know its not yoyr vibe, but it's clear and concise and well-written without being soulless.
To clarify, Nintendo wasn't a trading card company. They were a playing card company. They made hanafuda cards, which are traditional Japanese playing cards prized as much for their art as their utility
NES/Famicom was a world wide hit and probably deserves to be in S tier having a huge library, memorably titles and the birth of lots of franchises and characters that live to this day. From the A tier, Genesis/MD probably is an A+ (a lot of US releases used poorly the sound capability through a limited sound driver called GEMS, yet to this day Genesis/MD has an enormous scene with active development and crazy brand new games exploring the power of the machine), PS3 an A- but still great library, also N64 took some time to roll but ended having a memorable and highly rated library, feels worthy of A- tier. SNES/Super Famicom for S tier is mostly in USA, globally shares a slightly modest place closer to Genesis/MD, probably having the upper hand with the RPGs from Square/Enix, ports of such could have put the Genesis/MD head to head.
It was mostly a hit in Japan and the USA. In Europe, during the 80s homecomputers like the Commodore 64 where much more common than consoles. We read about NES/Sega games in the magazines, but I didn't now anyone, who owned a console after the big crash of the first generation in 1983. Nintendo didn't really pick up speed here til the Super Famicom, or Super Nintendo, as it was called over here.
@@bigleciezki Here in South America the NES was mostly unknown but every two homes one had a Famiclone being dirt cheap and there were lots of games. Commodores existed but few had the money required.
I find it surprising you didn't mention the Dragon Quest series when talking about the Famicom and NES especially since the series is as important to RPGs as Super Mario Bros. was to platforming games. The success to Dragon Quest on the Famicom is the reason so many "Dragon Quest clones" released on the console afterwards. Anywho shoutouts to Gimmick! for being one of the best games on the console and Lagrange Point for sounding like something from a 16-bit machine.
I gave up smoking around the same time the Dreamcast got remaindered. I told myself that if I could go three months without cigs, I'd buy one of the remaindered bundles. So I played a bunch of Code Veronica and Sonic Adventure.
Oh yea, I'm that one guy in the world who used the TV feature on the Xbox One with a cable decoder! Watching TV through the Xbox was actually pretty good, I have watched free TV for a LONG time and still do!
I personally loved the media features. When they killed the snap or sidebar or whatever it was called, I thought that was really unfortunate... I loved things like having madden up while watching a game I was only mildly interested in off to the side... or watching a game but then having my fantasy team stats or redzone off to the side. Then the cable interface itself was typically better than the cable company DVRs and the media remote was downright nice to use and comfortable... and the fact that it could bounce the IR signal from Kinect and give you control over all the peripherals using one tiny remote was fantastic in a pre-widespread CEC envrionment. Had they not stumbled with the DRM stuff and/or just changed the talking points from media first to 'hey this is a kick-ass gaming console and as a bonus you get all this really cool stuff so you can enhance your gaming experience.' it would rank a lot higher. It was really ahead of its time in a lot of ways.
@@pelaajajm5698 -- Wouldn't shock me if it had some overseas challenges - different electical grid, broadcast standards etc... with all the intial backlash they got they did start backpedaling and de-emhasising the media features pretty quickly. So bug fixing was likely not a priority with the focus instead going into revamping it to its current iteration.
wait you went through that whole "others" section and _completely_ left out the PC Engine/Turbografx-16?! That deserves way more attention than the friggin' CDI!!
I know everyone and their grandma likes to make tier list videos. But LTT Nailed it by providing specs of the consoles and their history. for once, I actually feel entertained by a tier list video.
Brutal that the Amiga CD32 got F. With the SX-1 extension it was an equivalent to an Amiga 1200. I believe it was also one of the first 32 bit consoles, and also one of the first to make use of CDs for games. It tanked very much due to Commodore's financial woes.
I grew up with an A1200 and still have it. It's a fun computer but a really mediocre gaming machine. At the time, SNES/Megadrive had way better games in general. Most of the arcade ports were atrocious, one button controller, etc... CD32 was just an A1200 with a CD-drive and a lot of rehashed A1200 games.
The Amiga shares a lot of titles with the Mega Drive,/genesis with a ton of direct ports from the Amiga to the MD, but yeah didn't expect the CD32 to get evaluated well, tanked because commodore was corrupt internally and failed overall as a company because of that, and that North America never really got into the home computers like Europe did, so they just don't know or care, you can see any list of best games of the 80s, where it was made, NA will be dominated by Nintendo games, hats of to Nintendo to win that one. CD32 had a ton of potential...
FM Towns Marty wasn't listed and I always see that as the general Japanese equivalent of the CD32. Both were big ideas that either didn't take or weren't implemented well. I'd rate them both higher than a PC-FX though, and I own all three.
You're right. Playstation and Nintendo are superior to xbox in every aspect. Btw, I can't believe how many xbox fanboys were only comparing console sales in America to make it seem as if there was a "console war" between Playstation and xbox. Because if you count worldwide sales, Playstation absolutely obliterated xbox every single time they released a new console. It's not even close to being close.....
Did not expect to see an Amiga in here. Would love to see LTT do a dive on the Amiga 500 and 1200 (The Amiga CD32 was essentially a 1200 with CD support).
Not to mention plenty of devs who started out on the Amiga were then responsible for some hard hitters in PSX's library. That said while CD32 got mention, the CDTV got forgotten as always (since Philips CD-i got mentioned, CDTV should be categorized as a console as well). Also if CD32 is there, then Atari XEGS is kind of missing as well.
Can't believe the 500 wasn't mentioned, maybe it wasn't as popular as I thought, but I played the hell out of my bootleg copies of Road Rash and Paper Boy as a kid!
I think the Genesis/mega drive should be in the S-Tier with SNES. Yes, I could be biased as I was more of a Sega guy back then, but it finally gave the market an actual competitor to Nintendo. Being able to witness the bit wars, Sega's most successful console, and the genius marketing in North America warrants an S-Tier. Just my opinion!
@@jeanoltt One probably always has to draw a line on what is a console in this gray area riddled environment... Switch made the list, but DS was only mentioned. GameBoy didn't make it - despite being a cartridge based system in itself. Magnavox Odyssey made it despite being basically a computer mouse - capable of displaying a square on the screen that you can move - for most part and using overlays to make up the rest of the game while Tiger Electronics even had some tripple A titles "ported" to their hardware "game and watch" style - didn't. NES had it's fair share of extensions and expansions as well. Commodore 64 had a cartridge based system which was basically a C64 minus the keyboard. Do mini editions of the old consoles count? Is Atari VCS one of those "mini" versions. What about OUYA - is it just not feasible because then one would have to include a mobile phone as a separate console as well? But then some of the VR headsets are also Android devices. Nintendo did have a Virtual Boy (and Linus did even play with it with Luke in a separate video). But then Chuck-E-Cheese made the list so where does a console start and another console end?
@@CobraFat2000 You're taking it too seriously lol. The handheld consoles didn't make it, both Switch and WiiU are able to be connected to a tv, so they are hybrid, not handheld. Also, they were sold as home-consoles and the main console in their respective Nintendo generations. The VR are headsets, not consoles. The other old ones I don't know, they were mentioned for filler probably, since most people never played the Magnavox. The Chuck one was a JOKE, it's incredible that I have to explain this lol It's just a video and it's amazing. There's no need to be picky about it.
@@CobraFat2000 When I think of "Consoles", as seen in the title, I don't think of "Portable Consoles" like the DS or Gameboy. I think those deserve their own tier list, as they can be easily categorized differently as "Gaming Systems that don't display on your TV, and don't have separable controllers per unit".
I can't call PS4 an S after they followed the XBox 360 subscription model. Nothing will match the disappointment of getting a PS4 for Christmas putting Star Wars Battlefront (waiting like 3 hours for the digital update to apply), click Multi-player and get hit with "Requires a PS+ subscription for online play"
@@Ins4n1ty_ It has - like - 95% the same library as the Xbone. And Sony's first-party stuff is all wannabe-Hollywood slop nowadays, so you can literally buy either console and still have access to everything actually worth playing.
@@VinLAURiA The ps4 slaughtered Xbox one so hard that generation that Xbox is still hurting from it. I don't think Microsoft has made a console worth purchasing since the 360, which was one of my favorite generation.
@@JerrySpringfield1if you measure by numbers sold then Sony easily wins, but I would argue that Sony is mostly just better at marketing. I actually bought a ps4 pro later already having an Xbox one and later one x, but I was disappointed by many of Sony's "must play" titles. I love HZD, but uncharted and the last of us are basically interactive movies with mediocre gameplay. I'd rather watch a movie (or the series now that it's out for tlou) and play games that actually have good gameplay.
I'd love to see a follow-up for this ranking handheld game systems, perhaps something to go in tandem with announcements for next-gen handhelds from the big 3?
Honestly, I agree with every placement. I was a Nintendo kid until the PS2… then I got my Xbox and have had every version since. Also bought a Switch in 2017 and I recently bought a PS5 about a year ago. I genuinely love this generation of consoles (exclusives aside). Xbox has so many quality of life features that blow away the competition for enjoyment of the system whereas PS5 has all the good PS4 exclusives/a few new ones. The Switch, while being a bit outdated now, was all I played for about 4 years… the form is perfection and the games are amazing. Love it :)
@@bonanzabrandon6877you could literally just take the console apart and replace the thermal paste and the issue would go away. You’re on a tech channel, you should know that’s not a super difficult task. Imo that doesn’t take away what the Xbox 360 was.
I do legitimately believe people's issues with exclusives, some bad practices aside, comes from FOMO. It's weird seeing people go from praising consoles for the exclusives to talking about how games are "trapped" and how exclusives are "anti-consumer" and "Punishes" people.
25:40 that little Spittle had been waiting its whole life for that moment... I heard a weeee as I watched that! I will name him Clark. Go Forth Clark of Linus! make us proud
I pretty much agree with every ranking there. Of course here in the UK and Europe we were very much invested in our 8-bit and 16-bit computers like the Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum etc, which meant we weren't affected by the great console crash like your guys were in America and Canada.
As an avid Ex-Amiga Gamer, i have seen the Amiga CD32 in Live and played on it. To make it simple: It was the same as the Sega Genesis CD-Rom. Commodore needed to get some money, they putt the successfull Amiga 1200 in a CD-Case and called it a day. There were few Games for it, but you could upgrade it to an... Amiga 1200 and kind of needed it. You needed the Keyboard for some titles. And to have Access to the Amiga 1200 Library, which was massive, you needed the SX-1 or SX32 Module and a Floppy Drive and a HDD. I have only seen the SX-1, which converted the CD32 into an Amiga 1200 increasing it meager 175 games (lot of them Amiga Ports) to over 3000.
Didn't the CD32 also have a custom chip that the A1200 (and A4000) did not? It also had WorkBench 3.1. I had an A1200 (still do actually) and it could not play CD32 games because it lacked this chip (Akiko iirc).
@@lazarushernandez5827 Yes it had an additional 3D Chip (Akiko) which was mostly not used. Personally i think Commodore made a big Mistake with the CD32. But the Mistake was maybe done earlier. They swapped the Zorro II Bus for a Cheaper PCMCIA Bus on Amiga 600 and then A1200. It would have granted direct Access to the CPU. Then the Akiko Chip could have been sold with a CD-Rom as a Sidecar to Amiga Users unifying the Plattform on the Amiga 1200 and the Amiga 1200 would needed a bigger Powerbrick. Or a Cheap CD-Rom sidecar and an Expansion Slot with the Akiko, maybe with 2 Simm Slots, to keep it cheap. But it was a Series of Errors Commodore did from 1989 to 1994, which led to the CD32 as a desperate attempt to save the company as the Homecomputermarket was shrinking thanks to the PC Market.
I would argue that you couldn't play/enjoy Elite 2 Frontier on an Amiga, even a 1200 or CD32, either, unless you had upspected ones. But the graphics on my 486 DX 2/66 8MB were far better. I saw Elite Frontier on a Amiga 3000 @ 25mhz running (8MB fast/2MB chip). There it ran fine. The biggest difference was that PC Elite 2 could have textures, Amiga Elite 2 not. Another difference: Analog Joystick.
@@Elkarlo77 I had Frontier Elite on the Amiga 1200, it wasn't the smoothest experience, but it was playable. (before I got an expansion card for it: 030 processor plus Ram). I didn't game much on my Amiga, I used it more for the 2d/3d programs.
25:25 oh man, Einhander (game case behind the PlayStation in the scene) is a huge part of my childhood. One of my favorite games of all time and arguably still the best shoot em up of all time. I could talk about it for hours and still play through it at least a couple of times a year. I gotta be in the 1000s when it comes to how many times I’ve played through it.
Guys, you forgot the Commodore Amiga CDTV, predecessor of the Amiga 32. The CDTV was a Amiga 500 Plus (2mb Graphics Ram) with a CD-Drive, Wireless Keyboard, CDI Video capability . The CD32 was a Amiga 1200 with CD-Drive, Special Chip for Video Playback, backwards Compatible with A500 Games.
Nintendo 64 only B-tier? The density of quality on that console is insane, and it single-handedly defined 3D-platforming (Mario 64 + Zelda OOT + Banjo-Kazooie) and FPS genres on gamepads (GoldenEye 64). Mario Kart became a phenomenon on that console too. The analog stick was an N64 innovation that Sony had to scramble to copy, trying to one up with 2 of them as if that would compensate for not being first. When taking the average of rankings over the past 25 years, and its first place on Metacritic, Zelda OOT is possibly the best video game ever. And you can't mention the downsides of the cartridges without at least acknowledging the upside, namely shorter load times. With all that in mind, it's a travesty that the N64 does not get *at least* A-tier. IMO it deserves S-tier even more than the SNES that was mostly a polished NES.
Long load times was mentioned as a slight against the PS1, but yeah. Based on my experience owning both (as an adult, just barely too young to get them in their primes) better load times >>>>>> CD music and FMVs every single time. People always forget that Sony PlayStation is in the business of copying other's ideas, has been from the start. Innovation is not one of their strong suits.
Kinda cool for some of my videos to be featured as clips on this here channel. Thank you for asking!
Crazy that no one commented under you.
@@pepper9 it's just been 30 mins and i wanna believe chat doesnt just manifest soon as binty types lol
oh hi melporp cool seeing you here
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wait vinny watches LTT?
"Opinions adjusted for inflation" That is a nice metric to have
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The prices were different and the wages and economy was different during those times, its a pointless metric to have, you dont get anything out of it.
That's what she said.
@@avendurree He didn't mean literal inflation
Thats a great way to describe the nostalgia value
Being told the PS5 is already four years old was the worst part of this video.
the first 2 dont really count since no one could fuckin get one
And Sony is already saying the console is entering its end of life ahaha
@@carlosramone40 No, they said entering the latter half of it's life cycle. Which would mean an eight-year life cycle. And therefore the longest console generation in history.
@@anarfoxjust gonna add this here for when he responds
@@colehealey2925 love it 🤣🤣🤣
That’s one of the hardest moments in gaming history, Sega’s guy trying to hype up the Saturn and then Sony’s guy just walking up on stage and saying “299” and walking off stage. That’s the moment that killed Sega lmao.
The price heard 'round the world.
Same with ps4 price and xbox one😂😂
@@Corvilux52 they need another moment like this
What killed Sega how making a next gen console was controversial within the company it makes Nintendo’s treatment look tame. Context Nintendo of America was hesitant to localize the snes in America
That guy is Steve Race who had worked for Sega of America previously.
This is literally one of the best console tier lists I've ever seen. I was not expecting that..
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Did you just skip to the end Cus you commented this 4 minutes after the video uploaded 😭😭😭
An actual slew of research on objective flaws and perks while also factoring in the relative time these consoles released will do that.
It really is. It was done tastefully and with respect to ingenuity, performance and game libraries.
Still remember how blown away my family and i were when we started the PS2 on Christmas morning and played Ratchet and Clank for the first time.
It was Gran Turismo for my brother and I. Doing those license tests really took effort!
Love me some ratchet
Sly 2, god i played that game like no tomorrow
fr I remember playing Midnight Club 2 for the first time with my dad and my whole family came into the room to check it out, such good memories
it was the OG God of War, which has become one of my favorite games on any console.
the thing that saved the ps3 is the fact that multiplayer online video games were free to play with no subscriptions needed, all you had to do was provide your own internet
that was also the thing that made the wii u at least decent
@@gamecubeplayer agreed, those were honestly the best times, even if the console wasnt the best. being to play multiplayer games for free on line without having to pay for a silly subscription every month or a year was so much better.
@@Cody-k4tI’d argue you got what you paid for in those two. Wii U online was really lackluster in features and in the ps3 you were a victim of a data leak and had a weaker online experience.
I still play battlefield 3 online often on my ps3. Also, it did end up outselling the xbox 360, and while most of the early cross platform games were superior on xbox, near the end of that generation the ps3 was the console that kept pushing the bounderies and providing more than was expected, battlefield 3 and 4 were superior on ps3 for example. I can honestly say I was far more impressed by the best games on ps3 than I was by the best games on my xbox. Also, I had 4 rrod's so maybe that soured the milk a little.
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Nintendo loomed so large in the public mind, all consoles used to be called 'Nintendo's' by many a parent and grandparent.
"Nine-Ten-Doh." as some news anchor had pronounced it back in the day.
The part where the video itself played inside the CRT Monitor was really cool and a great touch. Love to see such great effort being put into such a relatively small segment!
Holy shit, I just saw the editing for the PlayStation. Incredible
Lazlo
I remember as the PlayStation and Saturn were launching, a Sony marketer was quoted as saying, "if you're thinking of getting a Saturn, then you're head is in Uranus"
90's marketing was so much fun dude lol. I miss when these companies would just go after each other in the most petty ways
@DoTheAstralPlane Sony kept that energy even in modern times ragging on microsoft on how to share games with friends by literally just handing them the disc.
your* bruh I had a stroke tryna read the last part 😂😂
@@almadijayangaming834 Pretty sad if you had a stroke over that. It's frustrating when ppl use the wrong words, but a stroke? Damn.
that quote had a deeper meaning that made me burst into laughter LOL
Someone's gonna be irritated about that GameCube controller comment.
I get where he's coming from, but for someone like me, having as large hands as I do, the GC controller feels so much better than those of Sony.
@@shinigamimiroku3723 for years that controller was the only one that felt confortable to me
It's still the controller to beat in my mind. It's so incredibly comfortable compared to anything else that I use it any time I get a chance to.
i am one of those someone’s
I personally think the analog stick on the GameCube controller is the best ever if you want precision movement. Scrap the rest of the controller but the analog stick is amazing
n64 that low is actually a crime... didn't show the following: start of MARIO PARTY and SUPER SMASH, banjo kazooie, perfect dark, diddy kong racing, star fox 64, pokemon stadium/stadium 2/snap, and many others. the n64 had a MASSIVE library of fun games... Should have been AT LEAST an A. L take by LTT.
edit: going further into the nintendo section, I can see that LTT are just nintendo haters... gamecube B? LOL
@@charlesdovideo gamecube highly mogged by the ps2. Even the xbox outsold it lol
@@KodjoWedjaterrible logic. Just because X outsold Y doesn't mean Y is a bad product.
No
@@Anthony-df2ez gamecube is not a bad product, probably better then Xbox but the ps2 hell no
100% out of their minds, N64 is S tier easily! Gamecube is def a tier above Xbone but not nearly as appealing as Xbox and PS2 at the time.
The reason for the XBox Original "Duke" controller being so big is quite a story. They made a deal with a chip manufacturer that they'd use their chips in their controllers, but when the chips showed up, they were massive. But they were contractually obligated to use them, so they developed this behemoth controller that they knew wouldn't do well, but just enough to honor the contract, then immediately made an improved, smaller version.
honestly I prefer the duke over the S model. everybody complained about it but I liked it. it felt more substantial, as if the xbox was made for more mature gamers compared to nintendo and their reputation as being a kiddy console with their family oriented games and their colorful controller reminiscent of the sliding bead thing you always see in dendist/doctor's offices.
I have both and use both, but I have larger-ish hands, and both are comfy for me.
I really prefered the Duke to the model S (or whatever it was called). The newer controller's placement of the White & Black buttons was insanely bad. Like, Gamecube controller bad. I don't even have large hands & I couldn't comfortably use those buttons on the S. I wound up buying multiple Duke controllers as they were phased out so that I would never be forced to use the terrible S.
I must have massive hands because I found the Duke incredibly comfortable. Far prefer it over the S.
@@DoobieKeebler same. Whenever I had friends over and we were playing Halo on splitscreen I gave them the S controller and used the Duke myself. I wouldn't necessarily consider my hands being unusually large or anything, but somehow it just felt right to hold.
I wouldn't mind seeing an updated version with maybe some improvements on the triggers (they always felt kinda "loose" to me), wireless, with built-in battery (that would also be not made unnecessarily difficult to replace with some know-how) that can be recharged, and some small tweaks in build quality etc (e.g. stick driting was the final blow to both my Duke controlles, if I remember correctly). Doesn't really even matter if it's first- or third-party built as long as the build quality and longevity is good enough, I'd buy it!
PlayStation start-up sound is a memory trigger for me.
Just ran thru a flashback of my childhood from that one sound.
I legitimately got Goosebumps from it. I'm not a Sony fanboy, but I've played more PS1 than probably any other console.
I had an Atari 2600 and and later a sega genesis while my friends had a SNES but later I was the first to have a N64 and PS2 so it evens out.
Dito 😊
So much fond memories
@@Astromanaughtsame
It is just the best startup-sound of any console so far. So simple, so great.
That PS1 boot nose gave me chills of nostalgia when it played. That's an S tier startup sound.
GOAT sounds.
I have it as my ringtone for important people in my life
The Saturn startup also gives me goosebumps.
@@kruks as much as I love both in their own way, sometimes I think the only reason I still own my Saturn is to hear the boot-up sequence
Only bettered by PS2 in my opinion
Genesis not being S-tier was the only mistake in this video.
Whoever had the idea for 13:45 is my new favorite writer
Take me a moment to understand why the barn 😂 didn't watch the movie
I like "dusting off" being said right after as well.
It sounds like the sniper shot from Xcom Enemy Within
Another thing to add for the PS2, is that it was easy to crack and play pirate games, making so that here in Brazil, people would buy it without fear because it was the easier option to simply play games. To this day, Bomba Patch is a indie football game that is regurlarly updated for the PS2 and people still buy the console when available.
Most old consoles had been relatively easy to crack, still remember sitting at a friends house playing coop on his XBox, he'd just rent games for a day, copy the games over and had pretty much every game available on a HDD put into it.
There was no one else to go to for a good old time or to try out a game before buying it, especially for anyone who had parents that paid attention that you don't crack your console yourself while you still lived with them.
Here in nigeria too. We still have Pes 2023 for ps2 so many patches and all. It's the go to for people in trenches 😊
@@Unknown_Genius I've never heard of parents caring that their kid cracked their console. Its such a non issue I doubt they'd even care. When I told my mom about how I cracked my PSP, she thought it was awesome actually. You must've had some weird parents.
@@lexecomplexe4083 There's a ton of parents that do. Same as there's a ton of parents that don't let their children play anything that's restricted above their age.
Also depends on where you live. Where I live e.g. bypassing security measures on either games, consoles, movies or music files (especially back then) usually could (if you're caught for whatever reason) result in longer prison sentences than actual sexual assault (Ironically enough the same goes for just downloading pirated copies). And with the parents being responsible for their childs doing (until they're ~14 years old) you can take your bet that most parents did care that nothing like it happened in their house.
I still remember the meme adverts about pirating and the sentences for it vividly, mainly because they played like twice every ad break on tv.
@@Unknown_Genius first time in my life that i heard that ANY parent gave a fuck about cracking.
most people i know learned how to crack FROM their parents. because most of them just thought that the prices for games were ridiculus.
same prison sentences btw. nobody cared.
maybe you come from a REALLY rich neighborhood or something. parents even thaught each other here (and they were no gamers, it was purly for the kids) XDXD
Slight correction. You quoted Tom Kalinske for calling the partnership with sony stupid, but it was actually him quoting Sega of Japans CEO. Kalinske was on board with the partnership with Sony.
Thank you, I was about to say the same thing after watching this.
Kalinske was also on board in working with Scilicon Graphics who first came to them to get into video games (but Japan CEO said no), so they ushered them to Nintendo and became the N64. If not for Sega's infamous CEO in Japan, there would be:
- No Sony PlayStation. Since Sony would have been busy making the CD add-ons
- No 64-bit Nintendo. Since the chip was from SGI who originally wanted to work with Sega (and I can guarantee you Sega would not have wimped out the RAM like Nintendo did)
- No Saturn. Since it didn't make sense to Kalinske why they would NOT capitalize on the already massive installed base of the Genesis (which is why 32-X came out in the first place)
Instead it would have been Atari Jaguar vs 3DO vs Nintendo solo-effort vs Sega Genesis with a 64-bit add-on (basically 64-X instead of the 32-X) for the Sega Genesis, with CD peripherals by Sony. It would have been a slaughter.
Classic Linus 🙄
Good list but 64 not being in S tier is criminal
If all the talk of Sega made you curious what in the world happened, the Console Wars book is actually a pretty good read. It tends to focus more on Nintendo and Sega, but there are so many interesting bits in there that'll make you say, "Huh... really?" For example, Sega of America wanted to work with Silicon Graphics (SGI) to make the graphics processor in the Genesis successor; however, Sega of Japan balked at the idea. In what would arguably be considered an act of spite, Sega of America called up Nintendo and gave them SGI's information instead, which is likely the reason why the Nintendo 64 uses SGI hardware. I believe the two folks in question were Tom Kalinksy (Sega) and Howard Lincoln (Nintendo), but I may be misremembering the players involved.
Not a very good book sadly, it's full of erroneous data, biased interpretations and conjetures, and most of the time if I remember correctly, only taking into account one side of the story instead of checking and comparing all of it
Sites with interview translations and cross-checking like shmuplations are a good source of material
@@MagickPistacho can confirm, coincidentally i just finished reading this book today. Kalinsky is known to revise history and point the finger at other people for his mistakes. The book itself is very one sided when it comes to segas pov. basically amounts to Kalinsky did nothing wrong and tried to keep the ship afloat for as long as possible, which is laughable. He pushed for the 32X because he believed the genesis was still only half way through it's life cycle and didn't warrant a successor just yet, But it just wasn't a good product to begin with.
Honestly though, Sega partnered with SGI would have been an absolute powerhouse
@@JonTheJoestar You can't pin everything on Kalinske, Hayao Nakayama was worried about the Atari Jaguar taking market share before the Saturn showed up in the West. The form factor of the 32X was ultimately on Sega of America, but Sega of Japan had final say on everything.
Truthfully both sides of the company contributed to the eventual demise.
Sega was it's own worst enemy at times, with the infighting between the US and JP divisions...
If Nintendo doesn't launch the Switch 2 with Mario Kart 9 they're missing out on 100 million units sold in 3 days lol
100 million in 3 days is impossible. The highest record in 3 days for a videogame is still the original GTA 5 release, at just 16.5 million. Remember, that is the second bestselling game of all time. Mario Kart 9 would have to be doing triple GTA 5's entire lifespan numbers in a single year, which ain't happening lol.
@@koolaid33 Dude, hyperbole.
I always thought "Mario Kart Switch" would be a godlike launch title if its a sequel to double dash. Its almost a no brainer.
@@koolaid33 🤓
I don't think it was meant to be taken literally😂@@koolaid33
I'm 58 yr old gamer. I've been playing and I currently own every system that came to North America. I agree with your ranking except Colecovision. I was there when it was released and at the time arcades where in their hay day. That was the first system to truly give you that arcade experience at home. With Donkey Kong, Zaxxon, Lady Bug, Time Piolet, Pacman, Ms Pacman ect. It will always be a S tier console to me.
I agree, I remember my dad talking about how superior it was to his 2600, but he was never able to buy one before it was discontinued. It's one of the biggest what-ifs because of all the internal meddling at Coleco that couldn't decide if they wanted to be a computer company, toy company, or video game company. It's sad that I think they could've survived if they stuck with video games as a major competitor to Nintendo.
Also played atari 2600 games. Try that today.
Bro putting the Wii in anything under S tier is criminal
yeah the wii and nes the nes is still what pops into my head when i hear console and the wii was so huge its unreal, like with everyone
What do you expect from Sony fanbois?
I can tell u one thing: The Xbox 360 didn't deserve the S because of the MASSIVE disaster of the red light (few people know the actual magnitude and details of that disaster)
It had terrible games, terrible ports and the only reason your parents bought it is because they were poor and couldn't afford an xbox or PlayStation. You can cry about all you want about your "quirky" console not being placed higher, but that's the truth
@@tren-y2m i hated it i want to stand up and wave my arms around while gaming like i need a hole in the head but it revolutionised the field and opened the door to gaming becoming something adults and not just kids do so it mattered the controllers were the key thats why their parents had it, parents liked that it played garden family games
Sega Genesis and PS1 were the most influential consoles in my life. PS1 had so so many amazing games.
These two plus original Xbox.
What games did you play in the genesis?
I haven’t had the pleasure of playing on the original hardware, but am playing a lot on the mini this year. Thunder force 3 seems to be the best game in its genre, but I haven’t played thunder force 4 yet. Since that is on the mini 2. Tempted to get that one as well.
Shining force is another favorite.
Mega drive sounds better
genesis sounds like some Jesus shit
Saturn was actually more powerfull, tha PSX. But it was marketing disaster and very hard to code with. Spelling it's doom.
They also had shortages. Many stores didn't carry them.
N64 was also more powerfull, ut is had limited storage, small libary and was almost double as expensive as the PSX.
PSX games were 50-60 euro. N64 was closer to 100
@@harrihaffi2713If you’ve got a friend to play it with, Gunstar heroes is an amazing action game. Shining Force and Shining Force 2 are awesome RPGs, Contra Hard Corps for run n’ gun and Castlevania Bloodlines are all great places to start. Also heard tons of good things about Rocket Knight Adventures and Dynamite Headdy but never played them.
I think we missed some of the influental hand-held consoles (GameBoy and all its Versions, DS, DS Second Gen, DSi, 3DS, PSVita and the many more) and maybe a "console for scale" - so e.g. "Where does a modern SteamDeck rank in this, if it were one of the big players?"
But I can see these all left out, at least the SteamDeck, with how fast the current landscape changes and how uninfluental things like the Neo´s, Claws and more are currently aside from being basically a movable PC in a complete formfactor. They´re less consoles than PCs, but GameBoy and Co I´d definetly have included.
proly holding out for another video
They would definitely need a separate video for all the different handhelds
Also apples console with firewire
maybe that will be another video later down the line
Yeah, kinda weird that they listed the wii U and switch but didn't even acknowledge the ds' existence.
The gunshot/sonic rings behind the barn was excellent
I was just expecting the visual of being taken behind the bar, but the gunshot and rings sound got a laugh out of me 😂
7:00 Everyone forgets to mention the Wii U had a deal with EA where EA went on stage at E3 with Nintendo to announce their "very-close partnership" for the Wii U. That then EA tried to force Nintendo to use Origin and Nintendo declined and EA pulled their support for the Wii U.
That Sega comment about Sony wasn't made by Tom Kalinske, It was to Kalinske by the head of SEGA Japan when Tom was trying to make the Sony deal happen.
Tom Kalinske even said that Sega of Japan turning Sony down was the dumbest decision in business history.
Great clarification and I just found out the other day Sega Of America were also in talks with Silicon Graphics after the failed deal with Sony during the development phase of the Saturn. Once again, when they did their proposal to Sega Of Japan they turned the deal down and went full steam ahead with their custom multi-processor architecture. This might be a stretch but it makes me wonder if Sega Of Japan were intentionally knee capping Sega Of America after their success with the Genesis in the west? They thumbs upped the 32X but shot down the Sega Silicon machine? lol
I think every phrase with this tone WILL end bad, for the one who say it.
I thought in Enzo Ferrari telling to Lamborghini "What do you know about cars if you build tractors" kind
@@thedrunkmonkshow You are bang on the money with this.
Tom even suggested that Silicon Graphics go to Nintendo with their chip.
Honestly, Sega of Japan had absolutely no clue how or why they were successful.
@@nicoacha88 My favourite car story ever!
Ferari`s biggest competitor made out of spite, Mirrors the Nintendo/Sony story quite a lot.
Kalinske lost A LOT of credibility after the 32X fiasco. The fight and disagreements between Sega of America and Sega of Japan around 1993-1995 killed the company
Gen-Xer here that started gaming on the humble Atari 2600, and lived through the brutal 8-bit and 16-bit console wars. I'm legit surprised how much I agreed with this list. Good job!
Same here!
Yeah. I think since you basically have to be our gen to have played all of these and thus accurately rank them, it's no surprise the list matches our experience.
@@kierasher1 A lot of older Millennials like me also started on Atari. The NES was already out by the time I was 5 but only rich kids had it and I didn't get one until many years later, but my friend down the road did have an Atari a couple of years before anyone I knew had an NES.
@@no_nameyouknow Older millenial with an even older brother that was on the line between millenial and X so I think i lucked into a broad view of the early console market by starting with an Atari (7800, had more 2600 than 7800 games though) rather than an NES.
I also agree with the majority of this. Even where I'd put a system in a different spot than Linus did, his reasoning largely justified the position. Perfect example, he put the 3do in a C tier and I think its actually not a bad system at all and had a lot of solid games that I ended up playing on PSX but they started as 3do games.
But the justification was that nobody bought 3do because it was too expensive. And he's not wrong. Price matters, and you can't be "Kind of a playstation-lite" at double the cost just because you hit the market before the market was ready for it. Playstation sold as much as it did because it was reasonably priced for its specs right out of the gate, as illustrated by the 299 mic drop.
Same. Other than N64, which I personally feel should be S if for no other reason than it's got titles that still today are some of the best. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Ocarina of Time, etc.
it's weird how proud I feel that I got to see this whole industry grow from Ataris, NES and 3DOs all the way to modern consoles. being an early 90s kid with an 80s brother really allowed me to experience it all, and we both really owe it to our dad and his curiosity.
good times
i was the same, my son who is 16 is very envious of me and my generation, he is a retro gaming nut and has collected all the old consoles.
Ya, my dad brought home some wild things as well. It was a different time but glad to experience it.
13:41 This made me spit my drink out laughing.
10:00 LTT's video production is awesome. Great shot, guys.
My only gripe about this video is that every time it showed a cartridge being put into an NES they did NOT push the tray down before they closed the lid!
Don't need to.
Glad I’m not the only one!
@@NCISCherno
What are you on about. My NES definitely needed to be pressed down. Still have one, still does.
@@AB-80X I still have mine, never did and still doesnt.
@@DL180sx I also still have an original NES. What are you smoking? You absolutely have to push the cart down, for it to run.
Watch Europa: The Last Battle. It's a very good documentary.
We need a proper ranking for the KFConsole, too
And Stadia
soulja who? is that some sort of software?
@@q3aki Googling it would have taken less effort than your comment.
Soulja boy console is a F tier
Its wild that there is a legit conversation for every single playstation console being an S and should more or less be A at the lowest. They really just nail it every time
I'm a beginner technician and have started purchasing and reselling old consoles to fix up and clean. I'm seeing the popularity reflected in the resale price and even the "broken as is" prices being put up on eBay. This video has been eye opening and will help steer me into which consoles will be worth fixing.
Closing the front of an NES without depressing the cartridge makes my skin crawl like a nail on a chalkboard.
glad i wasnt the only one
Ironically, it's depressing.
Never had a region converter, action replay or game genie then? It felt weird at first, but you get so used to it you can forget,
Most of the replacement cartridge connectors I've dealt with recommend not pushing the cart down. The bending of those pins when depressed is sometimes what made the OEM connector stop working in the first place.
Super jarring at the time. The rest of the video made up for it
For me at the time, the game changing feature of the OG Xbox was a built in HDD for storing game saves, as well as the ability to rip audio files from CDs and play that music thru the Xbox while you were gaming.
That made me fall in love with the Xbox, lol. Playing Forza while bumping NFS soundtracks I ripped onto a CD was epic, lmao.
Exactly. Racing on PGR while listening to your own music was amazing, it's such an overlooked feature as is the HDD in general.
Another big benefit of the hard drive was that large sections of games could be cached onto it, then smaller bits quick-loaded from it. The decision to make the 360's hard drive optional meant games could no longer be designed around caching, and in-game custom soundtracks became less common too.
And modders took advantage of that. Nowadays you can install hard drives of 2 or 3 terabytes that let you install the entire game library of the Xbox. I have one with 2TB but I only have like 430 games to avoid the shovelware and repetitive sports games. 99% of the library also supports 480p. One of the best systems one can go after right now.
The fact you could have San Andreas radio stations for YOUR OWN MUSIC stored on the Xbox made me very envious as a PS2 owner.
In hindsight though I’m glad it forced me to listen to all those dope-ass radio stations
*N64 and PS2 are the All-Time GOATS*
The cultural impact was revolutionary. The Super Nintendo & PS1 were in the infancy stages of gaming & not as expansive.
The PS1 completely dwarfed the N64 in quality and quantity of games, and popularity. N64 has a handful of absolute gems but simply couldn't compete with the PS1, so not sure what you're on about.
I agree, but I do with the OG Wii was S tier. It created a whole craze about wireless controllers and using actual movement to play
N64 wasn't even as great in terms of games as the Dreamcast, let's be honest here. During it's time, no one but little kids drooled over the N64. The PSX was the thing then.
@@jonpirovsky I agree, however N64 changed gaming as far as popularity and set the standard for what gaming would become
@@theofficialgreenkane Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda OOT are benchmarks, sure, but so are Soul Calibur, Shenmue, Jet Grind Radio, Power Stone etc... Every major console established a foothold in the development of gaming. Tbh, the N64 was something of a disappointment of sorts at the time, focusing on antiquated (and expensive) cartridge technology and boasting graphics far below expectations... If you had a PSX, you just didn't care about the N64 at all.
My parents got us a PS2 for Christmas in 2000. I was 8 years old and our PS1 had been my best friend for the 4 years prior. I remember being so blown away by it. Fast forward to today, I still have it, and every few years I pull it out, dust it off and play some old favorites.
I had grown up on NES/N64 and was 12 when the PS2 came out. My dad got us one for Christmas and I've been on the Sony train since. I don't own my original PS2 but I still have the slim and it gets taken out a few times a year as well. Mainly for Tekken Tag with the lads when we're all together.
N64, Game Cube, PS1, PS2, Xbox, and Xbox 360 plus Nintendo's GameBoy and DS era are my favorite times.
You left out wii??! How dare you!!
Oh man the DS is incredible
@@dr.primitiveradioangel3946 Cause motion gaming is a crap gimick for unaccurate controls, matching unaccurate games.
The wii u was actually a ton of fun. Im one of the 10 people that has one and we had a ton of fun game nights with nintendo land, mario kart 8, and smash bros. I also grew up in a big family and so being able to play on just the tablet was really appreciated. I think the system just had really bad marketing and never lived up to its full potential because of it.
It was a good system, however Nintendo tried too hard to force-feed players with the tablet-controller. To the point you're unable to initialize the console without it. I'd say it was as bad mistake as Microsoft forcing Kinect on the XBone.
@@sovo1212 I have the exact opposite opinion. It was a pretty bad system, saved from complete oblivion by several excellent games.
It had and still have terrible os issues having the vwii as separate from the wii u ecosystem is awfull controller also is pretty messi and loading times are awfull. The saving grace is that most of it's issues can be solved with a good mod and i'm sure it will continue improving.
It's also a very strong system with 3 generation runing natively and an insane vc all of that with hdmi it's a must have once modded these days
Literally 3 games lol
Wii U deserves S tier, I was in the same boat as a kid
Would've loved a list that took a look on handhelds. From the OG Gameboy to today's Switch lite, there is a lot of ground to cover, in a segment that it arguably experiencing a revival.
Gotta do handheld tier list next!
The PS1 and PS2 were the golden age of gaming for me growing up. I had an N64 at the time and I was jealous. When the PS2 came out I bought it with so many PS2/PS1 titles. Now there are very few game that takes risks on new IPs.
Whatever anyone grows up with is the golden age of anything more or less. That's just being a child
thats bc AAA companies dont take risks, and during the ps1-ps2 eras there were almost 0 real AAA games outside of EA and maybe rockstar, but even them 2 didnt become real AAA until the end of ps2 era.
Started with NES, then Sega genesis blew it out of the water.. I was an NFL nerd kid, and the 'end of life' genesis games were super nice, polished... even compared even to the 3d N64 NFL games, minus just a few. Genesis at the end of the 2d Era was better than the 'begginings of 3D' nfl games for a bit.
@@thumblessgod That is totally not true! You can thank Squaresoft with FFVII for the first AAA title on the PS1! Even Sony said at one point that that game alone was driving sales of the system!
@@phased3941 Idk ps1 and ps2 were actually legendary, the library of games for those 2 consoles alone puts every generation after it to shame. These days you're lucky to get a bookshelf worth of decent games per console gen. Back in the day you'd take a chance with 10 random games AAA to indie and 7-8 would be awesome, nowadays you'd have to get a bank loan to buy 9-10 games at the same time and 9-10 will be utterly unplayable garbage
The funny part about the N64s cartridges is all of mine still work and I'm super comfortable with my 4 year old handling and changing out games by himself without fear of them getting scratched or broken
It really did have its advantages
yeah CDs are so fragile
No load times
The feeling of pressing them into place had its own satisfaction.
@@mtoad for real. The kids these days, they just don't know
Tried to fire up my PS2 to show my kids some games. Over an hour of not being able to read any disc before I put it back in the box. N64 still works like a dream.
5:14 damn I had no idea this generation was so one sided. I thought the Gamecube and Xbox were pretty well respected consoles.
Dreamcast was one of those consoles that was ahead of its time in so many ways, shame it didn't have a bigger catalog. Could've been A tier...
Dreamcast had such a high concentration of AAA exclusives, plus online out of the box. It will always be S tier on my list.
It could have been A tier? It SHOULD be S tier.
Dreamcast is S tier! Still have mine to this day
Well said mate
Dreamcast for sure is S tier. Soul Calibur actually better graphics than arcade. Phantasy Star Online had very unique game play + first online console play, Jetset Radio first cell shaded game. While they competed games looked better than PS2 games because the PS2 was so hard to code for. There was just no stopping the Playstation brand at that point.
Dreamcast will always be S tier in my heart. The memories of going to a gas station and buying video games out of the trunk of a car is still the highlight of my gaming experiences.
I'm a little sad he didn't even mention the VMU... Having a little screen on the controller was pretty neat, plus the handful of mini games. I thought it was so cool when I was a kid.
I was probably 15 or 16, I dialled into the online chat for my "Bigpond" ISP on the console. I had a mouse and keyboard with the Dreamcast so it was basically the first "computer" I had ever owned (at the time I probably figured anything with a web browser was a computer).
Anyway I met someone randomly and we made a deal that I'd buy games from them for about $10 a pop and have them mailed to me. I recall being able to use a "boot cd" to launch games..
A was a very loyal customer and one day I asked them how on earth they get these games!? And they gave me a clue.. "ISO".
I had no idea what that was so I just moved on and figured it's probably something the people with fancy, fast computers would know about.
I remember the first time I saw sonic... Unbelievable.
It's a shame we'll never see such massive leaps again. I went from Atari 2600 > Sega Master System 2 > PlayStation > Dreamcast > PC > PS3. I just have a PC these days.
Ahead of it's time and it should've gotten S tier or A tier.
Though I don't know much about the console itself or how it functioned, I've definitely enjoyed many of the first-party games that originated on that platform, like the Sonic Adventure series, Nights, Jet Set Radio, etc. that were later ported to all sorts of other consoles.
@@Kelthor85 was it DC Chat??? I'm a child of one of the active users, others were family friends. Grew up with people I only knew of by their screen names, and would tag along with mum to pick up a bunch of burnt discs
This video looks and feels so different to any other one on the LTT channel. I for one absolutely love this style of video and hope we see more of them soon. Good stuff guys!
Thats probably the result of moving Linus from the 'business' part of the business... to the 'host/entertainer' part of LTT
I was hoping this would be a scott the woz collab 😂
Should rank handhelds next considering how it's basically been revived and thriving now cause of the switch & steam deck
Revived??? It never went away, so it certainly never needed to be revived...
This is one thing i like about Nintendo. They try and do something different with their consoles instead of just putting a bigger graphics card in a box. Plus you don't have pay to use the internet that you're already paying for.
@Subvaries yes you do. You need nintendo online to play paid multi-player titles. Keep in mind that games like spatoon don't even necessarily have "servers" because the game is P2P meaning nintendo's online service is 100% a scam.
Steam Deck 😂 That thing hasn't sold over 5m yet despite being plastered all over the steam store's front page.
@Galo994 ? Sales numbers aren't public.
Former technician for chuck e cheese here, can confirm an F is the deserved ranking. Don't let your kids touch anything that isn't meant to be handled while playing the games. The amount of half assed repairs, botched jury rigs or just flat out ignored safety concerns is completely inexcusable bordering on down right malicious. Seeing as how corporate wants 100 hours of work done in 45 hours per week, its not completely the fault of the techs, unless they do the previously mentioned half assed botch work. I had another tech come to my store for the day to help me out, and when they left, the last game they worked on was literally smoking. Didn't say a word to me, I had to follow my nose to figure out what was burning. On a different note, if you substitute the marinara sauce for the garlic butter, the pizza actually come out pretty damn good.
Imagine that, someone crying about his job and he's watching a tier list video.
@DeathScyther006 bro your comment not even relevant
This is a superb video. Not just a cheap tier list, but a walk through the history of consoles, even if brief. Great vid!
At 26:51, I looked at the game and then noticed that the title seems to be incorrect. The video you've shown is from Exodus, but the title is Odyssey. I would say I'm probably the only person who noticed this.
I guess Vectrex was left off because the rankings only went up to S-tier.
TRUEEEEEEEEEEE
Also missing was the intellivision
@@justincurcio6710 Intellivision was mentioned at 20:36.
Ayyyyooooooohhhhhh ❤. Long live Hyperchase!!!
Also the neo geo CD and sega nomad. Could almost be considered a hybrid console, its like a reverse super gameboy.
Okay the gunshot and sonic ring sounds at 13:46 were a nice touch lol
The Dreamcast being B should be a crime against humanity.
True, but no one can do the Dreamcast dirtier than what Sega did, aborting it in under 2 and a half years. (They did put the Dreamcast as B though)
@@David-qi1ys blame Sony. Not Sega.
Dreamcast on tier B is already a sacrilege
Phantasy Star Online was absolutely incredible for it's time.
not at all, it's perfectly rated. You're just a fanboy
those details @27:16
are why I subscribed to this channel
Great video! absolutely love it! my favorite part is Linus Tonsil Stone launch at 25:40
searched the comments for this 💦
That is a vile and impressive observation
The Dreamcast felt like a console that was transported from a better timeline. In its original world it would've been even more successful than the PS2.
It feels like a reflection of the reality when Sega would actually try to be good, instead of just being first.
Dreamcast games looked much better than PS2 ones and much brighter.
I feel like the same can be said about the Saturn, but I did love the Dreamcast, yeah. So many great games. Truly underrated consoles like these deserve a better ranking.
Maybe these are "hot takes" but they actually get into the real details of it, unlike a lot of console tier lists!
I have a real hot take
I think the PS2 is a little overrated tbh. The PS2 was actually my first console and it's got great games but most are not my thing. The PS2 was the first console to take gaming mainstream and a lot of the loved gams reflect that.
It's best selling game is GTA San Andres and I am not a fan of San Andres or any GTA game for that matter. They are as wide as an open but as deep as a puddle with like a billion mechanics and minigames with most of them being shallow. You spend so much time traveling. Fable has this problem the worst.
I am not big on the gamecube either. I can elaborate more if anyone cares.
I feel as if the PS2 get's undeserved praise from band wagoning and people just saying it's good with no one questioning why. Notice how Linus didn't even mention any games by name ?
@@doomdimensiondweller5627It's definitely overrated! Just because it was priced well against DVD players, and had some good games. I was a PS1 and Gamecube die-hard personally
Edit I forgot PS2 had PS1 compatibility too. So it's definitely not overrated
@@doomdimensiondweller5627 I think it has the largest video game library of any console and full backwards compatibility with the PS1.
The PS2 didn't specialise in any one genre of video games as it was the one-stop-shop for video games in general.
No matter what your preferred genre, you could find it on the PS2.
Like, I get that might not be satisfying unlike PS3 vs Xbox 360 where PS3 was the console for RPGs while the Xbox 360 was the console for shooters, but the PS2 had everything.
If perfection is having no flaws, then the PS2 is perfect.
If perfection is having the best game library, then the PS2 is perfect by breadth and variety.
I don't see how one can criticise the PS2 for what it didn't do, since it did everything, and I don't see how one can criticise the PS2 for what it did do because what it did was have everything.
Even if you hate 90% of the PS2's library, that's just because you hate 90% of all games, which is fine, but that's not the PS2's fault.
@@teapouterThe original xbox could run Doom 3/ Halo CE and 2/ Project Gotham and was great for LAN parties and had a proper networking system (with the ability to speak to other players). Not to mention, a hard drive, having owned a PS2 when I was much younger I cannot tell you how frustrating it was to have no way of saving my game state simply because my parents didn't understand or bother to purchase a memory card (this was in the early 2010s mind you). As well as the simply inferior development support compared to Microsoft. Realistically speaking, there were not nearly as many or barely as many people hotsing LAN parties on that console, were there?
The Dreamcast had been built with Windows PC developers in mind as well, they had a great catalogue of games. Along with good peripheral support (i.e. keyboards/mice) and interesting (although weird) features such as the ability to run an internet browser. Coupled with the fact that you were given Seganet, a free online games service and I'm still suprised to see that it failed.
The Xbox had the same launch price of $299 or £299 as the PS2. Both featured a DVD drive
The Dreamcast had released earlier by about a year for £200 or $200 and was significantly reduced in price.
The Dreamcast seemed like such a great product, especially in its first year, is it not possible that it was the PS2's inclusion of DVD support that made the console so popular?
Compared to the Xbox it also sold more despite supporting DVD, you might counter, however, the PS2 took a very conservative design choice compared to the Xbox, I wouldn't be suprised if many bought the PS2, mainly due to how it blended in with the furniture as a regular DVD player. Correct me if i'm wrong but, many in the era viewed middle-aged or adult gamers negatively(connotations that they were lazy and/or immature), and that a lot of people simply wanted the cheapest DVD drive. I think that was probably the PS2's very important success point in that regard and why so many games were built for it. Especially since there was no other practical way for mainstream gaming to be targetted at a general during the era, without consoles (smartphones were non-existent). Just my take, though, maybe if I still had my PS2, I would look at it more fondly, maybe I'm ranting due to how hard I found that 1 level in Sonic Heroes.
@@doomdimensiondweller5627Kingdom Hearts 1/2, Final Fantasy X, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus/Ico, Jak & Daxter, Okami, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill 2/3, Ratchet and Clank, Crash Bandicoot, Ape Escape, etc. All of these games are popular for a reason imo, some of the best games/franchises were on the PS2. Not invalidating your opinion just listing some bomb ass games lol
Great Video! The hallmark of a truly great video, is begrudging a 31 minute runtime only to realize "10" minutes later that the video is over, and you want more.
Need another of these with hand held consoles and stuff. From knock offs with tetris to game boy, ds, psp, etc
Yeah I agree
As a pc player, I'd say my 2ds XL is probably the best purchase in terms of gaming I've made so far.
@@franklinnartz1381 good choice
@@flyingpanhandle they aren't consoles.
Not too much knockoff i hope. that list would be gigantic.
Linus... u know we are gonna need a controller ranking follow up
We all know where the N64’s central joystick, GameCube’s whacky controller, and Microsoft’s Duke are gonna be.
and handhelds
@@PG-20 S, of course.
@@PG-20 Duke is F, N64 is C, Gamecube is S.
@@Beefnhammer no way that central joystick abomination is a C
Fun fact - I knew chemists who bought a lot of N64s that they jury rigged into a mesh for doing molecular graphics (they used Silicon Graphics chips where standard systems used to go for 10k a piece). Navy bought a bunch of the PS3s to create a supercomputer using the cell processors.
Something similar happened to the PS2 right?
😂😂😂 these urban legends still get people
@@ElBribri Before the Iraq invasion, which people like GWB, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer, John McCain and others voted yes for, the media was spreading unfounded rumors that Saddam wanted hundreds of PS2s to make a super computer with. This rumor was used to push public opinion towards supporting the invasion, along with false information about WMDs.
@@Bilious303 what's next, you're gonna tell me Polybius is not a real arcade game? 👀
Babylon 5's digital graphics in 1994 were made on Frankenstein'd Amigas
This is a different scripting style for LTT, and I really like it. I know its not yoyr vibe, but it's clear and concise and well-written without being soulless.
To clarify, Nintendo wasn't a trading card company. They were a playing card company. They made hanafuda cards, which are traditional Japanese playing cards prized as much for their art as their utility
NES/Famicom was a world wide hit and probably deserves to be in S tier having a huge library, memorably titles and the birth of lots of franchises and characters that live to this day. From the A tier, Genesis/MD probably is an A+ (a lot of US releases used poorly the sound capability through a limited sound driver called GEMS, yet to this day Genesis/MD has an enormous scene with active development and crazy brand new games exploring the power of the machine), PS3 an A- but still great library, also N64 took some time to roll but ended having a memorable and highly rated library, feels worthy of A- tier. SNES/Super Famicom for S tier is mostly in USA, globally shares a slightly modest place closer to Genesis/MD, probably having the upper hand with the RPGs from Square/Enix, ports of such could have put the Genesis/MD head to head.
It was mostly a hit in Japan and the USA. In Europe, during the 80s homecomputers like the Commodore 64 where much more common than consoles. We read about NES/Sega games in the magazines, but I didn't now anyone, who owned a console after the big crash of the first generation in 1983. Nintendo didn't really pick up speed here til the Super Famicom, or Super Nintendo, as it was called over here.
@@bigleciezki Here in South America the NES was mostly unknown but every two homes one had a Famiclone being dirt cheap and there were lots of games. Commodores existed but few had the money required.
I find it surprising you didn't mention the Dragon Quest series when talking about the Famicom and NES especially since the series is as important to RPGs as Super Mario Bros. was to platforming games. The success to Dragon Quest on the Famicom is the reason so many "Dragon Quest clones" released on the console afterwards. Anywho shoutouts to Gimmick! for being one of the best games on the console and Lagrange Point for sounding like something from a 16-bit machine.
without DQ no FF
@@undertakernumberone1or Pokemon
Neither was Pokemon, "real gamers" dont gaf about slow burn grindy JRPGs.
I know this is your opinion and all, but wiiu in C is WILD.
I gave up smoking around the same time the Dreamcast got remaindered. I told myself that if I could go three months without cigs, I'd buy one of the remaindered bundles. So I played a bunch of Code Veronica and Sonic Adventure.
Nice, Dreamcast literally helped save you from lung cancer, not easy to kick addiction.
Funny, I started Smoking around the Dreamcast launch. Not cigarettes though.
Oh yea, I'm that one guy in the world who used the TV feature on the Xbox One with a cable decoder!
Watching TV through the Xbox was actually pretty good, I have watched free TV for a LONG time and still do!
I did too! I loved it, one of my favorite features actually. And the kinect, I've learned I'm definitely in the minority.
I personally loved the media features. When they killed the snap or sidebar or whatever it was called, I thought that was really unfortunate... I loved things like having madden up while watching a game I was only mildly interested in off to the side... or watching a game but then having my fantasy team stats or redzone off to the side. Then the cable interface itself was typically better than the cable company DVRs and the media remote was downright nice to use and comfortable... and the fact that it could bounce the IR signal from Kinect and give you control over all the peripherals using one tiny remote was fantastic in a pre-widespread CEC envrionment.
Had they not stumbled with the DRM stuff and/or just changed the talking points from media first to 'hey this is a kick-ass gaming console and as a bonus you get all this really cool stuff so you can enhance your gaming experience.' it would rank a lot higher. It was really ahead of its time in a lot of ways.
I used this feature as well! And Kinect worked so much better than the wii motion controller, at least for me.
I heard that it was strugle to get working in some european countrys, could had also just been sony fanboys, which back then i was too.
@@pelaajajm5698 -- Wouldn't shock me if it had some overseas challenges - different electical grid, broadcast standards etc... with all the intial backlash they got they did start backpedaling and de-emhasising the media features pretty quickly. So bug fixing was likely not a priority with the focus instead going into revamping it to its current iteration.
7:13 Glad you specified an *unmodded* Wii U. A modded Wii U is probably the best way to play all pre-2012 Nintendo consoles.
wait you went through that whole "others" section and _completely_ left out the PC Engine/Turbografx-16?! That deserves way more attention than the friggin' CDI!!
I know everyone and their grandma likes to make tier list videos. But LTT Nailed it by providing specs of the consoles and their history. for once, I actually feel entertained by a tier list video.
Blue dragon for the 360 left so many memories in my lil brain I keep thinking about those times playing with my dad, made me smile seeing you show it
Brutal that the Amiga CD32 got F. With the SX-1 extension it was an equivalent to an Amiga 1200.
I believe it was also one of the first 32 bit consoles, and also one of the first to make use of CDs for games.
It tanked very much due to Commodore's financial woes.
I grew up with an A1200 and still have it. It's a fun computer but a really mediocre gaming machine. At the time, SNES/Megadrive had way better games in general. Most of the arcade ports were atrocious, one button controller, etc... CD32 was just an A1200 with a CD-drive and a lot of rehashed A1200 games.
The Amiga shares a lot of titles with the Mega Drive,/genesis with a ton of direct ports from the Amiga to the MD, but yeah didn't expect the CD32 to get evaluated well, tanked because commodore was corrupt internally and failed overall as a company because of that, and that North America never really got into the home computers like Europe did, so they just don't know or care, you can see any list of best games of the 80s, where it was made, NA will be dominated by Nintendo games, hats of to Nintendo to win that one.
CD32 had a ton of potential...
FM Towns Marty wasn't listed and I always see that as the general Japanese equivalent of the CD32. Both were big ideas that either didn't take or weren't implemented well. I'd rate them both higher than a PC-FX though, and I own all three.
You're right. Playstation and Nintendo are superior to xbox in every aspect. Btw, I can't believe how many xbox fanboys were only comparing console sales in America to make it seem as if there was a "console war" between Playstation and xbox. Because if you count worldwide sales, Playstation absolutely obliterated xbox every single time they released a new console. It's not even close to being close.....
Make a tier list video for handheld consoles, like Gameboy, PSP, Ds, etc!
Did not expect to see an Amiga in here. Would love to see LTT do a dive on the Amiga 500 and 1200 (The Amiga CD32 was essentially a 1200 with CD support).
Yeah, I was glad they included it, but it's a shame they haven't tried one. There were so many great Amiga games.
The Amiga 500 had an INSANE library of games, especially for it's time.
Not to mention plenty of devs who started out on the Amiga were then responsible for some hard hitters in PSX's library.
That said while CD32 got mention, the CDTV got forgotten as always (since Philips CD-i got mentioned, CDTV should be categorized as a console as well). Also if CD32 is there, then Atari XEGS is kind of missing as well.
Can't believe the 500 wasn't mentioned, maybe it wasn't as popular as I thought, but I played the hell out of my bootleg copies of Road Rash and Paper Boy as a kid!
@@SatchDoesThings It's because it wasn't a console. He didn't touch on home computers.
Saturn is super underrated like you said. Just get a Action Replay Cart to remove the region locking and start exploring the Japanese library.
'23 and '24 have been great years for it too, with fan translations. I never owned one but I play it more than my other retro systems.
saturn would have been better if they translated more japanese games for the us market.
I think the Genesis/mega drive should be in the S-Tier with SNES. Yes, I could be biased as I was more of a Sega guy back then, but it finally gave the market an actual competitor to Nintendo.
Being able to witness the bit wars, Sega's most successful console, and the genius marketing in North America warrants an S-Tier. Just my opinion!
this is one of those gems where the ltt writers scripters and editors really outdone theirselves.
no they didn't. They talked about like 4 brands. This was not "Every" console. It's a shit video.
@@Dolsey1 Pretty sure you could do a better video... right?
@@jeanoltt One probably always has to draw a line on what is a console in this gray area riddled environment... Switch made the list, but DS was only mentioned. GameBoy didn't make it - despite being a cartridge based system in itself. Magnavox Odyssey made it despite being basically a computer mouse - capable of displaying a square on the screen that you can move - for most part and using overlays to make up the rest of the game while Tiger Electronics even had some tripple A titles "ported" to their hardware "game and watch" style - didn't. NES had it's fair share of extensions and expansions as well. Commodore 64 had a cartridge based system which was basically a C64 minus the keyboard. Do mini editions of the old consoles count? Is Atari VCS one of those "mini" versions. What about OUYA - is it just not feasible because then one would have to include a mobile phone as a separate console as well? But then some of the VR headsets are also Android devices. Nintendo did have a Virtual Boy (and Linus did even play with it with Luke in a separate video). But then Chuck-E-Cheese made the list so where does a console start and another console end?
@@CobraFat2000 You're taking it too seriously lol. The handheld consoles didn't make it, both Switch and WiiU are able to be connected to a tv, so they are hybrid, not handheld. Also, they were sold as home-consoles and the main console in their respective Nintendo generations.
The VR are headsets, not consoles. The other old ones I don't know, they were mentioned for filler probably, since most people never played the Magnavox. The Chuck one was a JOKE, it's incredible that I have to explain this lol
It's just a video and it's amazing. There's no need to be picky about it.
@@CobraFat2000 When I think of "Consoles", as seen in the title, I don't think of "Portable Consoles" like the DS or Gameboy. I think those deserve their own tier list, as they can be easily categorized differently as "Gaming Systems that don't display on your TV, and don't have separable controllers per unit".
I can't call PS4 an S after they followed the XBox 360 subscription model.
Nothing will match the disappointment of getting a PS4 for Christmas putting Star Wars Battlefront (waiting like 3 hours for the digital update to apply), click Multi-player and get hit with "Requires a PS+ subscription for online play"
I feel you with that one.
Yeah, PS4 is an A tier console with S tier GAMES.
@@Ins4n1ty_ It has - like - 95% the same library as the Xbone. And Sony's first-party stuff is all wannabe-Hollywood slop nowadays, so you can literally buy either console and still have access to everything actually worth playing.
@@VinLAURiA The ps4 slaughtered Xbox one so hard that generation that Xbox is still hurting from it. I don't think Microsoft has made a console worth purchasing since the 360, which was one of my favorite generation.
@@JerrySpringfield1if you measure by numbers sold then Sony easily wins, but I would argue that Sony is mostly just better at marketing. I actually bought a ps4 pro later already having an Xbox one and later one x, but I was disappointed by many of Sony's "must play" titles. I love HZD, but uncharted and the last of us are basically interactive movies with mediocre gameplay. I'd rather watch a movie (or the series now that it's out for tlou) and play games that actually have good gameplay.
I'd love to see a follow-up for this ranking handheld game systems, perhaps something to go in tandem with announcements for next-gen handhelds from the big 3?
A really great, concise ranking. Actually learned a lot. Thanks
Honestly, I agree with every placement. I was a Nintendo kid until the PS2… then I got my Xbox and have had every version since. Also bought a Switch in 2017 and I recently bought a PS5 about a year ago. I genuinely love this generation of consoles (exclusives aside). Xbox has so many quality of life features that blow away the competition for enjoyment of the system whereas PS5 has all the good PS4 exclusives/a few new ones. The Switch, while being a bit outdated now, was all I played for about 4 years… the form is perfection and the games are amazing. Love it :)
Geeze, are we twins? Your story is my exact same story except for the ps5. Havnt bought one of those yet… but feel like i have to now. 😂
I don't agree with Xbox 360 as S tier. The Red Ring of Death debacle was so persistent that they eventually stopped putting red LED's in it.
@@bonanzabrandon6877you could literally just take the console apart and replace the thermal paste and the issue would go away. You’re on a tech channel, you should know that’s not a super difficult task. Imo that doesn’t take away what the Xbox 360 was.
You think PS5 > N64/GCN/DC?
I do legitimately believe people's issues with exclusives, some bad practices aside, comes from FOMO. It's weird seeing people go from praising consoles for the exclusives to talking about how games are "trapped" and how exclusives are "anti-consumer" and "Punishes" people.
25:40 that little Spittle had been waiting its whole life for that moment... I heard a weeee as I watched that! I will name him Clark. Go Forth Clark of Linus! make us proud
Was just about to ask if anyone else saw it.
Aint no way they forgot about the Apple Pippin
Amateur tier list trash vid smh
Technically it isn't a game console. Even the CD-i was not a game console.
NES, SNES, ps1, Saturn, N64 and of course the legendary ps2. I want to go back in time so bad. 😭
Thought the title said femboys for a sec was extremely disappointing to find out that wasn't true
same
same
Need a linus favourite femboy tierlist now
Bruh 🗿
SAME.
What has the internet done to my mind? 💀
I pretty much agree with every ranking there. Of course here in the UK and Europe we were very much invested in our 8-bit and 16-bit computers like the Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum etc, which meant we weren't affected by the great console crash like your guys were in America and Canada.
As an avid Ex-Amiga Gamer, i have seen the Amiga CD32 in Live and played on it. To make it simple: It was the same as the Sega Genesis CD-Rom. Commodore needed to get some money, they putt the successfull Amiga 1200 in a CD-Case and called it a day. There were few Games for it, but you could upgrade it to an... Amiga 1200 and kind of needed it. You needed the Keyboard for some titles. And to have Access to the Amiga 1200 Library, which was massive, you needed the SX-1 or SX32 Module and a Floppy Drive and a HDD. I have only seen the SX-1, which converted the CD32 into an Amiga 1200 increasing it meager 175 games (lot of them Amiga Ports) to over 3000.
Didn't the CD32 also have a custom chip that the A1200 (and A4000) did not? It also had WorkBench 3.1. I had an A1200 (still do actually) and it could not play CD32 games because it lacked this chip (Akiko iirc).
@@lazarushernandez5827 Yes it had an additional 3D Chip (Akiko) which was mostly not used. Personally i think Commodore made a big Mistake with the CD32. But the Mistake was maybe done earlier. They swapped the Zorro II Bus for a Cheaper PCMCIA Bus on Amiga 600 and then A1200. It would have granted direct Access to the CPU. Then the Akiko Chip could have been sold with a CD-Rom as a Sidecar to Amiga Users unifying the Plattform on the Amiga 1200 and the Amiga 1200 would needed a bigger Powerbrick. Or a Cheap CD-Rom sidecar and an Expansion Slot with the Akiko, maybe with 2 Simm Slots, to keep it cheap.
But it was a Series of Errors Commodore did from 1989 to 1994, which led to the CD32 as a desperate attempt to save the company as the Homecomputermarket was shrinking thanks to the PC Market.
You couldn't play Frontier Elite 2 on the Genesis though.
I would argue that you couldn't play/enjoy Elite 2 Frontier on an Amiga, even a 1200 or CD32, either, unless you had upspected ones. But the graphics on my 486 DX 2/66 8MB were far better. I saw Elite Frontier on a Amiga 3000 @ 25mhz running (8MB fast/2MB chip). There it ran fine. The biggest difference was that PC Elite 2 could have textures, Amiga Elite 2 not. Another difference: Analog Joystick.
@@Elkarlo77 I had Frontier Elite on the Amiga 1200, it wasn't the smoothest experience, but it was playable. (before I got an expansion card for it: 030 processor plus Ram). I didn't game much on my Amiga, I used it more for the 2d/3d programs.
25:25 oh man, Einhander (game case behind the PlayStation in the scene) is a huge part of my childhood. One of my favorite games of all time and arguably still the best shoot em up of all time. I could talk about it for hours and still play through it at least a couple of times a year. I gotta be in the 1000s when it comes to how many times I’ve played through it.
Guys, you forgot the Commodore Amiga CDTV, predecessor of the Amiga 32. The CDTV was a Amiga 500 Plus (2mb Graphics Ram) with a CD-Drive, Wireless Keyboard, CDI Video capability .
The CD32 was a Amiga 1200 with CD-Drive, Special Chip for Video Playback, backwards Compatible with A500 Games.
Dreamcast was imo the first truly modern console
it was the first console to use 480i instead of 240p for nearly all games & it was also the first to support 480p progressive scan
@@gamecubeplayer And the first for (albeit slightly limited) internet support.
@@Dead_Metal the dreamcast came with a built in dial-up modem that could be swapped for a lan adapter
Shenmue was a favorite of mine.
@@gamecubeplayer resident evil 2 and 3 on dreamcast was amazing, while other ppl were stuck with ps1 and n64
Nintendo 64 only B-tier? The density of quality on that console is insane, and it single-handedly defined 3D-platforming (Mario 64 + Zelda OOT + Banjo-Kazooie) and FPS genres on gamepads (GoldenEye 64). Mario Kart became a phenomenon on that console too. The analog stick was an N64 innovation that Sony had to scramble to copy, trying to one up with 2 of them as if that would compensate for not being first. When taking the average of rankings over the past 25 years, and its first place on Metacritic, Zelda OOT is possibly the best video game ever. And you can't mention the downsides of the cartridges without at least acknowledging the upside, namely shorter load times.
With all that in mind, it's a travesty that the N64 does not get *at least* A-tier. IMO it deserves S-tier even more than the SNES that was mostly a polished NES.
Hear hear 👏
Preachhh
Tier list was made by Sony fanboiz
Long load times was mentioned as a slight against the PS1, but yeah. Based on my experience owning both (as an adult, just barely too young to get them in their primes) better load times >>>>>> CD music and FMVs every single time.
People always forget that Sony PlayStation is in the business of copying other's ideas, has been from the start. Innovation is not one of their strong suits.
I had an N64, but the best game I played back then was Final Fantasy 7, a would be N64 exclusive if it only it could fit on a cart.
Everyone is talking about the tier list but I want to know what flew out of Linus's ear at 25:39