Wing Commander - The TCS Tiger's Claw
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2021
- The first carrier of the Wing Commander games, she would set the standard for all other ships in the Confederation going forward.
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Cool and good places I stole from for this video:
wcnews.com/
www.wcnews.com/news/update/12832 (Klavs original 3d ship pack)
www.wcnews.com/chatzone/threa... (Klavs Ships in WCSaga, a lifesaver for videos involving WC1/2 era stuff)
www.wcnews.com/wcpedia/Star*S... (Seriously, download the PDF and read it. Lots of good stuff.)
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Tiger claw is where everything started with Blair, it will always be in our heart 🙏🏻
Fun Wing Commander fact: when these games released, your typical computer game wasn’t able to detect a computer’s core clock speed and measure its performance to scale. It simply ran everything at the fastest speed it could render at, and as people mostly had 386s at the time (with turbo buttons!!) it didn’t make much of a difference. However this didn’t scale well as CPUs got orders of magnitude faster. Meaning, if you had a sufficiently fast computer, the game would run ridiculously fast. This was hilarious in WC2 where the audio in the cutscenes would play properly, but the characters’ animated mouths would flap like dozens of times per second. Looked like they were just constantly going pfpfbfbfbfbfbfbtbtt
The older games really need remasters, so to remove this jarring flaw.
Yup I returned WC2 Deluxe pack for this very reason back in the day thinking something was wrong with it. Oddly enough I managed to make it far in the campaign, but was shooting at blurs lol.
I played Wing Commander originally on a 286 with a clock speed of…..12MHz - with the turbo on 😎
Needless to say I really appreciated the 386 DX40 I got years later.
Oh, God, is THAT why it did that? I had no idea
@@paulconrad6220 yeah I always figured it had something to do with having a higher end computer when this started happening, because it was the same thing in WC1. The game was basically impossible to play IMO because it felt like things were running too fast in game play as well.
I remember my brother and I so excited for Wing Commander 2. And then we saw the beginning. Watching the Claw get blown up. May have been called vengeance of the Kilrathi but let me tell you what, my brother and I brought vengeance upon the Kilrathi in that game
dosbox was the greatest invention. i still play this game to this day. i believe gog has them. i first found wing commander at eb games in the mall back in 92 or something. played wing commander on my 286 ibm clone
I just discovered your channel, and as a Wing Commander fan, i love it. Keep up the great work!
I enjoyed the WC Academy series, (EDITED: Just realized I got my years mixed up for Custer's Carnival). Great job and thank you for the link to the StarSoldier magazine. I think I still have my Wing Commander 3 Liberty book around somewhere.
Greatly done with integrating so much different data to try and make things coherent!
Also you are far nicer to Maniac than most.
Thanks! Maniac just had a lot of accomplishments and I figured I could try to be fair. He's still a major dick tho 90% of the time.
... TRY to be fair? he had a lot of accomplishments but this is also the guy that the Wing Commander said to shoot down but not to waste missiles!
LOL yeah, I almost forgot about that one. I liked Col.Halcyon a lot more after that.
Yeah, just remember to put Maniac in his proper contextual place. I mean, if Confed hadn't been so horrendously short of experienced pilots for the war, I'm sure they would have enjoyed most transferring Maniac to a ground unit that handled kitchen and latrine duties..
@@MacsLore He was a NUT! The 'Fed only kept him on, because he was so GOOD at killing cats!
I love these lore videos about relatively obscure franchises.
You're right but that's my most vivid childhood memories, I wouldn't call them obscure by any mean. ^^
It is a tragedy it is obscure, for back in the day Wing Commander was a major franchise. It's criminal that EA is ignoring it.
@@creedrichards137 Please don't encourage EA to ever touch anything. Series left uncorrupted by them are blessed.
More on Wing Commander please 😋
Wing Commander the movie was written and directed by Chris Roberts. Can't think of anything more canonical than that.
That music at the beginning, I haven't heard in decades, still it gave me so many nostalgic flashbacks.
Amazing video, once again.
Wow bro.. this is amazingly done. I did some voice work for Saga and its great to see its models used.
A great flagship from a great series. Sadly, the former had to be brutally short lived, while the latter just slowly but surely seems to start feeling primitive, while the likes of Star Wars: TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance, FreeSpace 2 with the Source Code Project, Tachyon: The Fringe, and other combat flight sims appear to be passing the tests of time well; them seemingly being abandoned by their "father" for what might be a gaming scam or two doesn't help.
Edit: Love seeing Howard Day's model there.
Man, FreeSpace 2 with an MS FF Sidewinder was the best space sim experience ever. Why doesn't anyone make FF joysticks anymore?
@@joefratianni8693 they do, look up VPFORCE RHINO or BRUNNER, but i would recommend RHINO. BUT they are not cheap... at the same time, they are way more powerfull than the old days ffb joysticks.
Iceman was Canadian!? Makes perfect sense, given his badassitude...
Yeah, I know right? I actually didn't know this until I was going through Claw Marks for the video.
@@MacsLore This might be embarrassing but... when I was a little kid my dad had printed off a copy of Claw Marks that I then found and read front to back many times. I actually made him read it to me as a bedtime story, even the technical stuff: “ok son, this is the Dralthi medium fighter, its maximum yaw speed is 60 degrees per second...”
@@ANelsonViolin You're not the only who thought the manuals were some of the most interesting reading material as a kid. Hell, when I was young I read the manual for X-Wing and I got to the part where it warned me: DO NOT LET THIS DOCUMENT FALL INTO THE HANDS OF IMPERIAL AGENTS, and I damn well believed it. Had trouble remembering where I put it after though, lol.
He sure was eh! Was from BC!
I love the bits of shade you threw in the famous crewmember section 😀
Thank you very much for bringing back all those memories where I fought day and night to defeat kilrathi in Wing Commander series.
My God, you even got the cartoon (and the movie) in.
The only flaw with Wing Commander and carrier strikes I have learned after much time spent in X4 is the strike packages are far too... small. There's no way a carrier would launch four bombers to take down a destroyer or a dreadnaught, as they would sustain far too many casualties. Instead, they'd launch 40 - 50+ bombers with additional escorts to end the threat as fast as possible, dock, and jump out of system before reinforcements could arrive.
That is very correct
Thankyou so much for that awesome trip down memory lane.
GREAT breakdown and graphics!
I don't know if there are any novels or enough lore to make it work, but I would love one about the Pilgrims and the Pilgrim Alliance.
Yeah, I'm not sure either if there's enough material to make it work, unfortunately.
Howard’s Tiger’s Claw is The Claw IMHO.
There needs to be a RTS wing commander game.
Love the WCIII styled ship
This channel is a grrat surprise! I wish i found it sooner. I just watched the End Run summary of the novel and i loved your narative voice. Im so jealous. I like youre using music from thr synthetic orchestra too and i eould definitely help fund you to get more of that music transitioned into the or orchestral style! I would love more and would help just let me know
I think there was inconsistency when it comes to the Wing Commander animated series and the original WC1. In the Kurasawa System Mission 3 Blair tells the Colonel at the briefing that he served aboard the TCS Formidable back during the Acadamy days. So he wouldn't have been on the Tiger's Claw at that time.
The Tigers Claw, Noble vessal, old favorite.
Nice work! Really great video. -Klavs
Legit, I can't thank you enough for your 3d work on the WC1&2 Era ships. Believe it or not I actually got halfway into the False Armistice part 2 video before I realized that, except for 1 or 2 images from Standoff, there didn't seem to be any decent depictions of the Kilrathi Hakaga carrier.
@@MacsLore well if you need any more renders, let me know!
I think it makes sense they wouldn't want to carry a NavCom on their ships because it would be easier to capture. Better to have them in secure positions and give ships the vectors they'd be expected to need which would be more easily dumped in case the ship was at risk of capture.
A very good point. My own thinking in this video at the time I was making it, was that Confed was cutting manufacturing costs for their ships by keeping the super expensive (I assume) Navcomp AI in the one area they'd absolutely need it. And also there's the regular risks of it being captured or destroyed if they were placed on the ships as you said, which is bound to piss off the Confed taxpayers.
Still remember "Wing Commander Academy" the cartoon.
Feel like the paint job needs more green, otherwise a nice looking model.
Not for nothing, but you left our Knight and Colonel Halcyon. Not to mention Shotglass, every WC fans' favorite bartender.
I replied to your comment in my video about the Victory, but I'll comment here as to why I chose the characters I did. Just in case someone else brings up this valid point while watching the video.
The characters I put in the spotlight are ones that I believed had more lasting impacts in the Wing Commander universe outside the games where we were introduced to them. Bossman, Knight, and yes, unfortunately, even Shotglass in my opinion, were pretty much dropped after WC1. Iceman only got mentioned due to his son Lance being in Wing Commander Prophecy.
Although, like with Rachel, I guess I could have added Col. Halcyon to the showcase in retrospect.
@@MacsLore Admittedly, my inner completionist was at the wheel when I typed those comments. Still, if something constructive did occur, great. And, again, I'll be sure to keep watch for other lore videos like this. Thanks for the quick reply.
They're fair questions to be honest. I'm actually mildly surprised no one had said anything until now.
@@MacsLore Huh. That IS kinda surprising.
Best ship in the WC universe.
Best ship in the Fleet
I understand why you and Star*Soldier included it... but I will always ignore the movie.
Hell, I wouldn't blame you or anyone else for doing that. I would've happily done the same if it weren't for Star*Soldier.
Nice video man truly the wing commander line and star fox (at that time) is what kicked off my love for space based games..
Im currently doing a multi cross over video line i love to be able to include the tigers claw do you know if there is anyone doing video of the confed fleet in combat?? And if so can you plz tell me who id love to contact them and ask if i can use some of the combat video in the cross over.. again great video really liked it
I of course would give them full credit for there work in the credits of the video and provide the link to there site as well in the description
Poor tigers claw ambush by a Kara thy stealth fighter poor maverick took the blame dishonored and left to rot
Still kills me seeing the Claw be destroyed at the beginning of WC2
Same here. My brother and I were not very happy, and we definitely took it out on the Kilrathi. I mean we fought with a vengeance. None of those Cats escaped
I was voice of Christopher blair as callsign cheater wing commander and second wing commander wartourist on tcs Concordia and wing commander 3 maverick colonel on tcs victory
Hold on, wait a minute?! Casey was the LAST NAME?!
11:10 yeah, that would be a great idea... wait, when was this video uploaded again? ^^
The Wing Commander movie was not a very good movie. However, movies are one of those things that don't need to be "good" in order to do their job. That being to entertain a person for a couple of hours. 18 year old me liked it.
The thing that has stuck with me about it were the plethora of people I heard making a specific complaint made of two parts. That it was a bad sci-fi movie because it leaned heavy (or too heavily) into the 'ww2 in space' aesthetic. Combined with that being such, it was far out of line with the games. Which always struck me as odd. So many people making that combo of a complaint. I can see the first part as pretty valid due to how subjective it is. Not everyone likes that type of aesthetic. Personally I find it can be really fun and interesting. But I can easily understand people who want more grounded space warfare (never sorry for my puns). That second part though...
I started with the books. though I had known a tiny bit about the setting beforehand and that is what made me even consider the books in the first place. I started the games with IV and to this day have never played the first 2. III & IV as well as the books I read were about as close to a literal interpretation of ww2 in space this side of Space Battleship Yamato (which I adore, old and new).
99% of my experience with early Wing Commander is thanks to Star Wreck (if nothing else watch In The Pirkining). So I honestly don't know if those people criticizing the movie were coming at it from some other perspective. But to me, it sounded like blatant BS. That in and of itself is not notable. What really stuck with me was the volume of people I remember making this complaint back when the movie came out.
addendum: End Run is to me the quintessential ww2 in space story. People are quick to note the blatant similarities with the Doolittle Raid and the classes of ships and whatnot. But I never hear much about how it also incorporates elements of the Battle of Jutland (the splitting of the Kilrathi fleet and its defeat in detail mirrors the plan of the High Seas fleet to defeat the British Grand Fleet). The battle of Midway (the trap laid at that worthless holy planet). The Channel Dash (Tarawa's push through the defended system on the way home). Perhaps even the attack on the Kilrathi construction yards was in part inspired by things like Pearl Harbor (which is famous for its success against ships, but unlike the book, infamous for its failure against infrastructure)
edit: Yes Jutland is WW1, but it still falls into the same overall 'ww2 in space' category people like to use (people get annoyed when you start talking about how it is actually an analog to naval combat on earth rather than "ww2 in sppaaaaaaace".). ww2 in space gets you a surface action with more emphasis on 3d warfare (air & underwater as well as surface). 'WW1 in space' gets you Battlefleet Gothic, which is basically just a 2D surface action, befitting its legacy as stemming from a tabletop game from wh40k. (even if nobody knows the difference... the whole ramming element of BFG screams "1880's naval design and doctrine as well... even if the ships themselves take design cues from real life ships from after ww1)
Love the artwork and the the detail. Beautifully done!
One of my biggest pet peeves with Wing Commander Series games/books and that god awful movie…is the numbers. Numbers in the series never seem to be anywhere close to “making sense” even for it being sci-fi.
Example: The Tiger’s Claw here - only 8 dual turrets? Yet the picture they provide in the manual shows more. Another is the tonnage, how can something 80,000 tons have less armor, less shield strength than the Kilrathi Snakier (only being 30,000 tons). Not sure if my math is right, 😂, but isn’t that a 50,000 ton difference? Meaning 1 Tiger Claw is almost 3 Snakiers in weight. Yet it’s way weaker in almost every respect. Where did that extra weight get used? Certainly not into better engines, it’s slower. Certainly not into more armor. Nor better shields. Not in more weapons, remember only 8 dual laser turrets. I could go on and on. At the end of the day, it’s sci-if…I know. But wish the designers/authors/producers researched their ideas better.
Again though, love the video and love the channel!
What are these in game images from?
It's a submod for Wing Commander Saga that puts some of WC1 ships into the game. It's only the ships, and a few simple custom missions, but you can find the submod here: www.wcnews.com/chatzone/threads/wing-commander-saga-klavs-ship-pack.28782/
@@MacsLore I can't get Wing Commander Saga to work my Joystick. So havne't been able to play that.
Ugh that Wing Commander movie........
Where are the 3d models and battles from? Must be newer than the original games
It's from Wing Commander Saga, a Total Conversion of Freespace 2 released in the early 2010s. The WC1 ships added here were from a submod by CrazyCanuck for Saga.
wcsaga.com/
www.wcnews.com/chatzone/threads/wing-commander-saga-klavs-ship-pack.28782/
@Mac's Lore Fantastic, was just playing through Freespace recently. Will have to check it out.
25cm armor seems very lacking for a Capitalship
the Tig doesn't look anything like the one in the game...