The Packers Are A Bad Football Team
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- The Green Bay Packers lost their fifth straight game. This time to the Detroit Lions. The Packers are a bad football team.
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Tom, you were right. This was a get right game...for the Lions.
Not even sure if the lions got right
The ironic thing is this game might of set the Lions back with their draft position
As a Lions fan... it really was.
I know everyone wants us to tank, but a Dan Campbell team won't tank. For a defence that had been generationally awful up to this point, this was needed.
@@beebobber546 won't matter if the Rams keep losing.
I feel like it’s hypocritical to keep calling the lions “the worst team in football” when they just beat you.
The podcast where you don’t have to be a Packers fan, and that sure does help!
Nice
but it sure does help*
How long you been holding on to that one?
Hahahahhahahhahahahhahaha
@@Chewy_GarageBandDad alot of us wanted to say this for a long ass time he just got to it first
i’m shocked that a team that doesn’t sign free agents, constantly makes bad draft picks and never trades is bad
They tried to trade this year just nobody wanted to deal with them
All these divas wanting more than minimum wage. I’m surprised the packers offer money at all. “Hey come play for us, we’ll give you a can of spam and a tie nail clipper”
Amen
They are broke bro, they can barely sign anyone
@@canoncoriell9105 They always try to trade, not an excuse for constantly failing
I've been a lions fans for years. To be honest I started to hate football but thanks to you tom I started loving football again just cause whether you're winning or losing you try to stay unbiased. I respect and love you for that keep up the great work!
spelled whether wrong
@@runninonempty820 nah pretty sure its right
@@brendenprzeklasa Yeah it's right
"I've been a lions fan for years."
You have my condolences. You guys should have built a Wayne Fontes statue
As a lifelong Packers fan, I gotta admit it always makes me happy when the lions win. I feel like y'all deserve at least 1-2 Superbowl runs, like you're owed that alone for having people like Barry Sanders, and Calvin Johnson lol.
The way Tom talks about how GB won't commit to the run and and can't score is very reminiscent of what us Bears fans went through with Nagy, which is both funny and relatable. But mostly funny cuz GB fans have never had to experience this before.
Eh... "Committing to the run" is not so smart when you're averaging 3.0 per carry, outside of Rodgers scrambling. Also, Green Bay's defense is nowhere near good enough right now to win those kinds of games. It's not an easy spot, when your two best offensive players are running backs, and you have a weak offensive line.
@@don_5283 that’s the thing about the run game. early in the game the defense might do well against it but come late 3rd quarter or 4th quarter chances are the defense is fatigued and that’s when you can really get the run game going. the packers have been abandoning the run game like the bears did in 2019
@@don_5283 and their defense isn’t playing as well because their offense is inconsistent as hell and causes the defense to play more, and play longer
I beg to differ. This is Matt LaFluer channeling Mike McCarthy all over again. McCarthy never ran the ball, even tho he had some real talent at running back. He put it all on Rodgers arm. When LaFleur first showed up, it looked for a couple seasons like that might be behind us... but it's back.
Plus... some of us have been Packers Fans since the 70's and 80's, when the Bears where running roughshod over our team year after year. I lived through the '85 Bears... so I can still remember when the roles were reversed. Seeing the way Justin Fields has played the last couple weeks, if he can continue to build on what he's doing, it looks like the tables may be turning again in the NFC North.
@@billbuchalter6725 it is he’s getting better and remember now we actually have sun coaches and gm who knows what there doing know finally could u imagine if in 2018 if that team had a field’s I could have kept some of those players on a team it would’ve been over then
This channel has absolutely no right to be as excellent as it is.
From analysis to lore, Tom Grossi is absurdly talented, and we're lucky to have him.
Tom is a great guy but a lot of his success was do to the Packers great success. I do wonder when Packers become the next Lions. Will he be able to pull the same success? I hope he does but winning does create a lot of bandwagon fans.
@@RedX165 yeah hes probably going to even pull more numbers due to how many ppl hate the packers
@@RedX165 respectfully, I could not disagree with you more.
The Packers may have helped him to initially grow his brand, but he's created a channel that is anything but predicated upon what they do. From lore to streams, he is far more than just a GB fan channel.
As he always says, in the Grossi Posse, you don't have to be a Packers fan...
He'll be just fine
@@redheadredemption1573 I don't disagree with you. He's still going to grow just because what he turn his channel into. Just that its going to be a lot slower now than what it used to.
Heck I'm a Bears fan and I watch the guy lol.
Whenever he doesn’t talk about football I find his personality annoying no disrespect but when it’s football which is most of the time it’s all good stuff. I got love for Tom even tho I can’t relate to him ✌️
Been a Bears fan longer than you've been alive. Never thought there'd come a day where I religiously watched a Packers fan RUclips channel. So thanks for everything you do, sorry I can't feel much sympathy for your loss....
🐻⬇️ fu ck the packers
I'll drink to that. Love you Tom but it's the Pack's turn to be bad for a while. 🐻⬇
Dude... I've been a Packers fan for as long as I've been following football, but I have never seen a referee double assassination like I saw the Bears suffer yesterday.
Just maybe, Rodgers will not "own" the Bears in the Soldier Field on Dec 4th.
Vikings fan here
I'm proud of you, Tom. Acceptance is the first step.
That being said, if the Packers somehow win out and finish 11-6, I'm going to laugh my nuts off.
if they do i’m gonna break a fucking table.
Not happening against my Eagles 🦅
Cowboys L
Eagles L
Dolphins L
Bears L
Vikings L
Lions L
Rams W
Titans L
4-13
@@commenterlafleur4226 even then we wouldn't draft a top ten wideouts.
@@commenterlafleur4226 we ain't losing to the bears
5-12
Tom is a genuinely great person, super talented, moral, smart.. never thought I’d enjoy the suffering of someone I like this much. This video fills me with joy
As a Vikings fan, I’ve been religiously watching Tom this season. I’ve been wondering how much of a bad person it makes me to take such joy in watching someone slide deeper into pain and misery.
@@jaf1995ful it's simple catharsis. we all experience dispear as sports fans, so it's nice go see somebody else going through it lol
@@jaf1995ful me fr
The coming wilderness of the Packers will be especially hard for a fanbase filled with people who've never had to experience the QB lotto. 30 years of always having a HOF QB is coming to an end. Decades of mindless shittalks and hot takes are about to come roaring back at them. It's going to be great.
It's enjoyable because packers fans would NEVER write a comment as respectful as yours. Many Packers fans are disrespectful jerks to fans of other teams and if I had 1 penny for everytime one of them says "how many rings does your team have?" to almost every fan base I would be the wealthiest person in the world
As a Bears fan I often dreamed of this day ... However I don't feel the joy or the mirth or the satisfaction that I thought I would.
What I feel is recognition, to watch the air sucked out of a fan, it hurts because it is so relatable.
Its gonna hurt as you tumble from the top , but it happens to every team.
That being said if they luck into a 3rd generational QB in a row I'm just gonna walk directly into Lake Michigan.
The courage it probably took to admit this 🤕
It'd be more courageous to deny it
How can anyone deny it. I've been a fan of this team for almost 20 years. This failure is completely on the coaches and executives. Can't wait for them all of them to get canned.
Vikings Tom is pretty honest well rounded guy
You finally made through the 5 stages of grief. I’m proud of you
It's going to get worse once A-Rod hangs them up. It could be a return to the 70s and 80s for the Packers. 🤮
5 games, 5 stages.
@@RedMo46 lol
Game 1: Giants, Denial
Game 2: Jets, Anger
Game 3: Commanders, Bargaining
Game 4: Bills, Depression
Game 5: Lions, Acceptance
Welcome to packast the podcast where you don’t have to be a lions, bears, or Vikings fan, but it sure does help.
As a Detroit fan, all I can say is that I understand your frustrations GB. I've felt those same very frustrations about Detroit... for the past 42 years. So BELEIVE me, I feel ya.
This is how I feel as a Panthers fan with the up and down hope of winning then proceeding to loose. Plus hope and then failing with qbs and pretty much everything else on the team every season. I feel really bad for you Tom my care reaches out to you
I remember after 2015, everyone thought the only way to go was up for the Panthers.
Oh how wrong everyone was
Now you know how it felt being a fan of a team coached by Matt Nagy
Or Treatman
Or fox
We are going to take back our crown and own this franchise for decades to come, like it used to be. I can't wait for the Packers to be irrelevant.
@@dylanmihojevich4278 at least treastman was the best Offense we had
Or Zimmer
The worse thing about all of it is realizing that cap hell is coming, and that everything we as a team have done has not led to the success we wished for. A dark era is coming, one where joy is found by development and inevitably beating the Bears
The packers have alot of players on rookie deals minus the heir apparent Jordan Love.
The cap is going up and they pay guys alot of money to work the cap. We will be alright in that area.
You guys probably ain’t Evan beating the bears lol
People say that every year about teams and its never true
Salary cap is a myth, you can always just restructure contracts to get out of dealing with it
@@JewboyJesusLover Jordan Love is useless. They're better off tanking for Arch Manning.
Never thought the Rodgers era would end with only one SB appearance and so much heart break. It hurts to be a cheesehead rn
Hahaha
Takes a team to win a championship. Not just a QB. Everyone knows that. Rodgers doesn't know how football games are won. Time to put your ego aside and allow your coaches to have more control. Rodgers has too much control over the offense and this Packer team isn't built for that anymore
@@calebashford1686 Good luck w/your next QB-oh, that would be Love...
@@peggyon1 I'm a New Orleans Saints fan, so... Yeah, I guess Andy Dalton isn't anything to brag about but I have faith that we'll give Tampa a tough fight for the title. We have Alvin Kamara and Taysom Hill, Olava, Mark Ingram, and one of the best defenses in the NFL. We just have to play smart offense and keep the chains moving to keep our D fresh. And Dalton can make great completions. Just get the ball out fast and set up play action. Few good play designs on offense for Alvin in the screen, or a quick pass down the middle. Andy will have to win a game with his atn at some point for us to contend. My expectations are low because I'm not sure we're worthy of playoff football. The defense will have to be dominant like last week and the offense to be methodical.
At least we got one with Rodgers the cowboys ain't won in 20 years
I feel your pain, Tom. I'm a Pats fan and while I might be a tad dramatic I have to say that it is dreadful to see everything around your team gradually crumble as your division rivals seem to find ways to surpass you. We're in for some rough years but we'll be back... eventually.
It's been a while since the Jets were ahead of the Pats in the AFC-E.... We'll be back before long!
(Fellow Pats fan)
Life long parts fan. Still have my Bledsoe Jersey. I always dreaded this day when the Pat's could not even get out of their own shadow. The price we pay for all those years being called the evil empire.
@Drayton Johnson The Patriots these past few years have reminded me of the Pete Carroll era… When they were an average team… Not much going for them… but had a couple of talented players to watch as the season went along - but there was no hope for post season runs.
Watching the Chiefs and Titans last night… Was depressing when comparing the lack of effort from the Patriots.
As a chiefs fan I’ve always respected Rodgers so I feel sympathy for you guys. It definitely makes me cherish Pat Mahomes while we have him
As a fellow packer fan this hurts but I'm glad I'm not alone in the pain
lmfao yall suck
As a bears fan...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
With ya' brother. Probly not this season BUT we'll get through it.
@@curtisep5885 I sincerely hope you don't.
welcome to the basement brother… as a lions fan you get used to it
Thanks for Zadarius Smith - A Vikings Fan
I wonder how bears fans feel watching their owner struggle like this
I actually think they will be scary next year. They have a ton of picks, a lot of cap space, and have several good pieces. Give them a few pieces on OL, 1 more receiving threat, and then freshen up the defense. I'm not saying they will be great, but as a Vikings fan, the Bears could be scary next year.
We are happy to lose this year and fields is perhaps turning a corner.
Looking forward to owning them in the near future
Just happy we have competent coaching and we’ll be better next year
After watching them hang with the Dolphins today. Take away that blocked punt touchdown and they're maybe winning. If they fix that defense they and offensive line look out.
I love how honest, well articulated, and knowledgeable on everything you talk about Tom. Keep it up.
As a giants fan this is how we felt about Eli. We loved him and still do but we needed someone new under center
As a Patriots fan this how we felt about Brady. We loved him and still do but we also needed someone new under center
@@jackharrington697 yeahhhh that pat situation isn't because of Brady 😂. If they actually gave Brady weapons his last years in NE they could have easily won 1 or 2 more super bowl. Tom chose to move on because they weren't helping him and the year right after he wins another super bowl because they help build around him.
@@jackharrington697 what? Didn’t he throw like 5000 yards and 40 tds the season after he left? Don’t think he was the problem
@@jackharrington697 tom wasn't the problem bill didn't evolve
Rodgers isn't the problem. He played like crap that's true but he has had maybe two bad games all season that are on him.
These videos help me cope so well, Tom. Thank you for helping me through this shitty season. I hope it gets better for us, but if not keep up your stuff, I will watch whether we 17-0 or 0-17.
GO PACK GO!!
Even if theyre Go Pack Go ing nowhere
That's a fan
@@RedMo46 and it's awesome watching them go nowhere
I’m a JETS fan so I can feel your pain. For the past 6-7 years my team always had a bad record and was the laughing stock of the NFL but I still watched every single game because that’s what a true fan is and should be 💯
"It's just so frustrating to see your team do the same thing over and over and over again..."
Now you understand how us Bears fans felt under Matt Nagy
Lions have the opposite problem, we do different things and just end up with the same result.
Geez, the Packers have one bad year and the local media and fans have an absolute nervous breakdown.
@@peggyon1 Yeah, while I like Grossi, I just can’t feel sympathy for a fanbase that has had a hall of fame quarterback for the past 35 years, a championship in the 21st century, and constant playoff contention. Suddenly, after a single year of non-contention and a potential five years of rebuilding and not being a playoff team, everything is the end of the world. A whole lot of fanbases don’t get to see all that. I’m a Commanders fan born in 2002, I haven’t gotten to see all that. It’s hard to feel bad for the Packers.
@@harb1ng3r82 i dont feel bad at all, im bot a packers hater or anything but i said since before the szn started that they arent winning the division and everyone called me crazy, and after week 1, i truly thought the lions were gonna finish 2nd (lol). but yeah, i knew this was gonna happen
@@harb1ng3r82 as a washington fan you should know its going to be a lot longer than 5 years of rebuilding.
Shannon Sharpe said a few years back when a player retired then unretired: the moment the thought of retiring enters an NFL player's mind he should retire. Any game splaying after that will be bad - or at least not nearly as good as the player could be, because even entertaining the idea of retiring means part of you has checked out.
This season we seem to have this wisdom confirmed by two surefire first-ballot Hall of Famers in Rodgers and Brady.
Steelers fan here, I feel your pain, granted we no longer have our future hall of fame quarterback, but we do still have our atrocious excuse for an offensive coordinator, and a head coach that barely has any hands in the offense, so this season has been very hard to watch and very humbling considering how good we have been for the past however many decades, just like you guys, I hope it gets better for y’all cause I’ve always said If I wasn’t from Pittsburgh, I’d be a packers fan, so I’m also upset at how bad they are doing, good luck to you sir!
Y'all still have a great secondary imo. Pittsburgh has been great at defensive scheming for a minute.
@@Pyfer that’s the Steelers problem for the last like decade, we can never be consistent on both sides. Our defense is great this year same with last year. When our defense is great, our offense sucks, when our offense is great, our defense sucks, can never put together a solid 3 way team at one time. 3 playoff wins in 12 seasons isn’t gonna cut it either 🤣
U steeler fans just don't get it , for the rest of ur natural lives ur team will not win another championship with that clown of a cheerleader as a head coach Tomlin. Says all the right things but doesn't know how to coach, shid have been gone after losing to the Pack years ago. That's classic example of him, with all the talent rolling through their gates, only thing he's excellent at is wasting players careers!!!
@@ronaldbiggs7939 Tomlin won't be the coach longer than 4 years max imo, so who knows with the new talent they'll have by then and new coaching staff, they could get right back to a top contenter.
There's an empathetic human part of me that knows how hard sports Fandom is and how much it sucks to have a team break your heart.
The Bears fan in me wants to tell you to suck it up. Your team has been good for like 30 years straight, welcome to my reality!
But not for long cause Fields is soon to be the new King in the North and we're gonna be contenders for the next 10.years.
Easy there. It's more likely the Bears organization has broken whatever Fields could have been, kind of like how Carson Wentz got broken when the Eagles fell apart. It's just that Fields has yet to show he ever even had the ability Wentz had.
You may get lucky, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
To think 2 years ago in 2020, the red zone was called the Gold Zone for us since we were so good at scoring..
Damn.... I forgot all about that. And im not lying. That was just 2 freaking years ago smh
I loooooove gollllldddd
I try not to think about it tbh. Miss those days
That is, until the playoffs
It is amazing to think that we're about to speak of the Packers' glory era in the past tense. It's been near endless for about thirty years.
I have a college degree after spending nine years trying to finally figure out what I'm doing in university, and even I have essentially NEVER existed at the same time as a truly bad Packers team until now.
Keep telling yourself that......winning is all that matters.....and we got 1 out of Farve and one out of shaman guy......for two hof qb's .....not the haul you would have expected.
You won a single Super Bowl in the last 11 years 😂 not to mention the playoff loses. He has as many super bowls as Joe Flacco. He’s come up short
Bears are coming, we will own you HAHAHA
@@cornpopsrazor5375 You are spoiled. You will realize it when saddled with a mediocre QB and difficulty attracting any good FA's to play with your mediocre QB in a little, midwestern town.
@@cornpopsrazor5375 Only 3 teams have won more in that span and there is still a double digit number that dont have a single one in franchise history let alone a specified time span. I agree its less than one might hope those QBs wouldve gotten, but id be happy with 2 if i were a Packers fan.
Plus the majority thats available to watch is the regular season. And its much funner to watch your team succeed than fail, and the Packers were generally successful there.
We will get through this tom! Its tough being a packer fan right now. I hope the players can get more healthy and we figure some stuff out the rest of the year and some players emerge.
I don't always throw interceptions, but when I do, I prefer to throw them in the end zone.
Tom, as a Viking fan, I can watch you’re podcast because you speak honestly. I like you speak from a Packer perspective. Unlike some of you’re fellow Packer podcasters who live in la la land instead of reality, you keep it honest. Anytime I wanna see what the packers are up to, I come listen to you. Thanks for making the rivalry fun!
Same. He is the most realistic Packers fan I have seen. Many fans are which delusional and out of touch.
I love that the lions are the ones to close the book on the rogers era. Obviously that’s an exaggeration, but it felt like the nail in the coffin for this era. GO LIONS!!!
It is the nail in the coffin. Any other perspective is just 'hopium'.
The giants, jets, commies, and bills coffin dropped their ass. and my lions put that final stingers splash for that 3 count
This team looks similar to '99 49ers... High expectations in the off-season, complete collapse in the regular season.
Well pretty much a given lions and GB play the last regular season game so verry likely we do it.
The line of "this is the end of the Packer's Dynasty" stung hard.
The funny part packers were never a dynasty
@@markelscott100 very true, but it kinda felt like it when Rodger’s was performing like he was every season
They never even had a dynasty.
I loved it. I hope the packers suck
What dynasty!? they won 1 Superbowl in the Rodgers era 😂😂
You're a diehard Packers fan, and your explanation is very insightful. Thank you, and I'm sorry your team is not doing its best.
I am not naive and realize this is so far has been a disastrous season. Still, they are only 1 1/2 games from that final playoff spot. Yes, they lost 5 straight but 4 out of those 5 games were relatively close. You can give up Tom but I am not yet giving help. Let's see how they do against Dallas.
The fact that he sees the packers lose 5 weeks in a row and still continues to put on a smile and continue streaming just shows how much he loves the game and is amazing
Then on podcasts when the whole nation isn't watching, he's a whining, hate-filled crybaby.
Its all just football at the end of the day
I mean it’s his actual job to stream and make videos on NFL football. Doesn’t seem like a very hard thing to do with a smile 😂
Hes just a natural at it
Or he's simply an adult.
As I Vikings fan I never watched your reaction to Packers games until this year and I gotta say I love it
I like cheese
what’s your favorite kind? mine’s colby jack.
@@DominicGibbs cheese
@@DominicGibbs Mine is Provalone
Me too
@@DominicGibbs pepperjack is underated
This team literally can’t make a single adjustment. It’s been the exact team for every game
This has the same odds as the power all. Have you seen the schedule for the rest of the year?
For four years the packers have had two weaknesses.
1. We can't stop the run.
Front office has failed to fix this.
2. A total lack of depth at WR.
They have actually made this significantly worse by completely neglecting the position until this year and trading away Adams.
as a bears fan, these last 5 weeks have been really weird
Packers might finish last in the division this year. The future of the bears, lions, and Vikings looks bright.
Yeah the bears actually look pretty good. Alot better than their record
It hurts. Thanks for your podcast. Feeling less alone after watching you.
Lmfao lost to the lions
From Canada.....I've been a Packers fan since Bart Starr, Jerry Kramer, Jim Taylor...all those guys. I survived the Lynn Dickey years and Tyler Wright among others. The Favre years rewarded my loyalty and it's been a fun time for 30 years!!! I'm grateful to the Packers and Green Bay for allowing me to have such fun over the years. We may be entering a rough time, but I still dream of someday attending a game at Lambeau. Packers forever! And for 2022, I don't believe they are done yet, but scary to hear about all those injuries! Hang in there! PS: Bart Starr was my hero growing up, not just for how he played but also for the man he was. I miss him.
As a Lions fan , I ask you - should the Packers dominate forever ? Is that how it is supposed to work ?
@@unstrung65 Of Course! Wouldn't you want the Lions to do that?
GO PACK GO
Now is a great time to visit Lambeau; tickets are CHEAP!
I hope you can make it. Lambeau is an experience, to be sure. Even though the one game I got to see was a terrible loss, it was still well worth it, and a lot of fun.
I’ve been starting to like Aaron over the years, but really happy the Lions got the win even at Green Bay’s expense. And pretty happy that this might give my Cowboys another dub next week when this was a match i was worried about at the start of the season.
Vikings fan from shithole Germany here, still regularly watching your packasts since I tripped over you. This here should replace all actual Packers post-game press conferences. In deed! Love your analysisses, dude! One if my best friends is Packers fan, and I do not dare to mock him with football since 3 weeks, out of respect. A Vikings fan very well knows, what your are living through right now. I still dont count them out. Seen too much horse shit the last 35 years. Heads up, Tom! Really like what you are doing.
The Lions trading us Hockenson and still managing to come away with a W vs you guys is a level of comedy I didn't know I needed lol.
That said, Tom, you are one of, if not the classiest Packers fan I've ever come across. Takes a lot to swallow pride and admit your own team is just bad.
He might be a classy Packers fan and all that jazz...still can't wait to see how he and the rest of the Packers fanbase handle what the franchise was for almost 20 years before Favre.
They are headed right back to that level of football.
@@cronoesify At least they aren't the Viqueens. I'll still be a spiteful asshole and laugh whenever the viqueens get destroyed in the playoffs.
Too bad you don't have half the class Tom has. And I haven't met a Viking fan yet who had class.
@@cronoesify Yes they are, I am not a GB fan but a Rodgers fan and I am stunned at their sense of entitlement and how they've come for blood from a guy who carried their stupid team for years.
They will look back and realize what a great time it was. Rodgers is a generational talent and chose to stay in GB. Won't happen again.
@@peggyon1 I'm a die hard packers fan and I can tell you most of the fan base is a bunch entitled idiots who know very little about the actual game of football and pretty much use sunday as an excuse to drink 18-25 beers and yell at their families and friends. even if the packers fall to the depths of the league after the rodgers era is truly done they would look back at this time with rodgers and think "we only got one ring".
The thing that I've always appreciated about Tom is that, whether the team wins or loses, he always gives brutally honesty analysis.
Add on what he does for the lore and streams, and you have an absolutely incredible individual
Normally the Packers can get back into a “Relax” mode and fire off some wins, but man the schedule coming up is the Cowboys, Titans, and Eagles IN PHILLY. Forget the division it’s the 7 seed at the very best, and that’s a stretch.
All three are Ls.
The only potential W on the schedule is the Rams.
@@commenterlafleur4226 The Bears too..No matter how sorry the Packers are, the Bears find a way to lose for some reason.
Yeah they taking L’s for sure in all those games
@@serrahighsfinest And even if the bears look like they are about to win, in comes the black and white jerseys
How can you make the 7 seed after going 3-10?
Tom is like when the teacher sits on the desk the day after coming back and has the substitute report in his hand
Hey Tom, just wanted to shoot my perspective as an Eagles fan to you. I know the feeling you got right now (at least to some degree). I watched the QB my city all were excited to lock down into the biggest deal we ever gave out explode into being one of the worst QB's in the NFL statistically. Wentz stunk in 2020, and when the offseason rolled around, everyone was stunned that:
1. The team was taking on a $30M dead cap hit to move on from what was going to be our guy in C Wentz.
2. We fired the first ever super bowl winning head coach the Eagles had after really one bad campaign.
3. We were keeping Howie Roseman around after YEARS of not getting the right guys in the skill positions, which arguably did more harm than Douggie P or Wentz would even be able to overcome (Our Leading WR's in 2020 were Travis Fulgam and Jalen Reagor... Both COMBINED didnt have a 1000 yard season).
The whole of Philadelphia prepared for the worst.
Everyone expected us to come out the following year and stink, and to be fair, we started 2-5, with most fans writing the team off at this point. But things did turn around. The new head coach brought some fire to the squad and both Rookies and Vets bought into the message on always competing. Speaking of rookies, we got a rookie WR who broke the Eagles rookie record for receiving yards after years of struggling to get the right talent in the WR room. Our QB we took in the second round the year before struggled, but also had glimpses of greatness sprinkled in. With the right mindset and mentality to keep improving and adapting, our team managed to go 9-8, far and away overperforming in what was supposed to be a 4 win rebuild season. Thanks to the compensation received in the Wentz trade, Howie Roseman had the ammunition to go and get the pieces we needed to reload the roster the next year and now we see the results - the Eagles are 8-0 and sit on top of the NFL looking like the best team in the league as of writing this.
Hope is restored in Philadelphia.
But why do I write all this?
The Packers are in a prime position to do the same. If the team makes aggressive moves to move forward, builds their draft stock, and focuses on getting the right guy (or building around their developmental prospect in Jordan Love) the Packers do not have to be "bad" for long! I believe firmly if the Eagles can get a conditional 1st and 3rd for Carson Wentz, that there will be teams to give so much more for a guy like Aaron Rodgers. So, if like me you have that deep pain in your gut when you think about the future of this team while you are down right now, I'd ask you to keep the faith. Every year is a new opportunity, and as a reminder, its never how you start, but how you finish. Not one person in Philadelphia believed that the 2-5 Eagles had DREAMS of being a playoff wildcard last year, but we got hot and stayed hot through the back half of our schedule. So, even if its not this year, you never know just how good your team might be after just a few key changes. Keep your head held high and hope for a brighter tomorrow. It'll be here before you know it.
Cry eagles cry. Eagles first round exit
@@nelsonfrancisco3001 Post has nothing to do with postseason success. We are talking strength of team, which currently the Eagles are the strongest team in the NFL.
@@pierrejacquot4741 And none of that matters anyway cause they haven't played no real teams. And with the cowboys they went against Cooper Rush, let's see how them eagles does with Dak in the game. Eagles won't score anything against Cowboys with dak in it, chiefs, bills and the ravens. The score they have now don't mean shit cause we all know in the playoffs eagles won't even win a game
@@nelsonfrancisco3001 We are the only blemish on the 7-1 Vikings Record. The Cowboys also still had their superb defence and the Eagles managed to put up 26 points. Just see past your bias a little here. The Eagles have been the most consistent team in the NFL this year, and we have won games multiple different ways. No one can predict the future, but to simply write off an 8-0 start is delusional my guy.
2005 Packers: 4-12
2006 Packers: 8-8
2007 Packers: 13-3 lost in the NFC championship game to the Giants. Favre's last game as a Packer.
The 2006 team was encouraging towards the end of the season. We had a lot of youth on the team at that time and you could tell things were looking good for next season. Not to say we're in a similar cycle, but this is clearly a down year. If some of this youth develops, and we make the right move or two for vetsin key spots, we could get one more run with Rodgers in a year or two.
There is blame to go around. Rodgers needs to cool it on the diva act. He should have been with these receivers in the off season a lot more.
Lafleur is maybe not as great of a coach as the beginning of his tenure suggested 😂. I'm not sure what you can do about that though if you're looking at a 2 to 3 year window for us to bounce back.
I blame Gute the most. Him drafting Jordan Love started this whole mess. It was a move to massage his own ego. He should have traded Rodgers if we intended to move on from him and rebuild. Now it's just a wasted 1st round pick that could have been a stud receiver on the other side of davante that would have given us a better shot as a superbowl than Love has.
I disagree, somewhat. I think the Love pick directly led to the two years of Rodgers playing MVP-level ball, and I think anyone out there would take two years of MVP-level QB play for a late first rounder, any day. If Mike Pettine had made one better playcall the Packers are going to the 2020 Super Bowl, and perhaps this whole narrative is very different.
But, that's the NFL. You keep trying to give yourself shots, and hope the bounces go your way. They didn't, in 2019 and 2020, and then you're negotiating with a QB who is coming off two MVP seasons, and looking at Brady winning a Super Bowl at 43, maybe you think he can keep it going. And what will the fans say if you let him walk or trade him? It's really not an easy position, when you take away the benefit of hindsight.
The problem with the Packers is structural. They're a victim of their own success, precisely as the NFL's competition rules intend. They'll be able to get Bakhtiari off the books at the end of this year, and possibly Rodgers as well, which would be the smart play. Get some good draft capital, and hopefully have a terrible year next year, and hit on another franchise QB. Then two years after that, young and lean and hungry, you're back into the cycle of success. Just hope the noise from the fans isn't enough to throw out good people with the bad.
@@don_5283 I forgot to reply to you a couple weeks ago. You make some valid arguments, and I can't make the argument against getting Rodgers off the books at this point. However, I would say that I think it's still worth giving the team an opportunity to bounce back with him next couple years. Franchise QBs are hard to come by even though there seems to be more of them in today's game. Once Rodgers is gone we could easily fall into the hell of a QB search that so many teams have been in. Just look at our own division. No one has come close to maintaining the level of QB play we've enjoyed since the Favre era. I think assuming we won't just fall back to earth with the rest of the league in that regard is too big of an assumption to make. That being said, I think if the right trade capital is offered for him this off-season I wouldn't be upset if they made that deal. I would understand the practicality of it. I do however think that the Russell Wilson experience Denver is having will make teams hesitant about what they're willing to give us for Rodgers 😂.
I have to disagree with you almost entirely on the Love pick though. If the intention of drafting Love was to give Rodgers another chip on his shoulder or light a fire under his ass, perhaps they accomplished that and got some better play out of him. The only problem with that is now the chip is still there. The organization doubted him and drafted Love. They've put themselves on his enemies list.
I think putting more emphasis on drafting and developing another young wide receiver for him to throw the ball to could have easily lead to better play from him as well. Remember, he won his superbowl because he had 4 or 5 legit targets to distribute the ball to. 4 receivers that were all at least legit #2 receivers if you put them on another team. Imagine if we had drafted a player like Watson even just a year or two ago with Davante still on the team to take the pressure off of him. There has been a lot of draft capital put into the defense over the years as well, and I would say we haven't been regarded as one of the best defenses since our superbowl.
As far as the organization goes, we have had about 25 - 30 years of HOF QB play and 2 superbowls to show for it in that stretch. A lot of that is due to circumstance and the players playing the games, but I think there is a valid argument to be made that we've played it safe in the name of maintaining moderate success too often.
all i feel right now as a packers fan is sadness. i love this team and want them to succeed but i also hate realizing that they just aren’t who they used to be. it’s sucks but hopefully better days are ahead for us. go pack go
I'm with you on that. A lot of sadness going on.
I'm sorry but I'm enjoying this immensely. Packet fans have been SPOILED since farve became the starter with winning football. Yeah, they choked alot in the playoffs, but shit, they had alotta winning in that time frame. It's time to lose for a decade.
@@Ice9kills78 eh I'm not really a packers fan, but I think that's kind of a ridiculous take. The packers have had Aaron Rodgers, one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game, and they have been plagued by one of the most incompetent front offices I have ever seen.
This year is the culmination of that. A front office so incompetent, they couldn't put together a decent team if their franchise depended on it. But all that winning they've been doing has just been Rodgers... his team has always been horrible. He had to get a season ending injury to get Mccarthy fired. The front office refused to get rid of him until Dom Capers (the d coordinator) became the longest tendured d coordinator in the league, lasting more than twice as long as the second place d coordinator...
I honestly think it's sad. For a team to waste such an incredible talent at QB just because the front office couldn't find their taint with both hands.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 Thank you.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 I live in Wisconsin. I watch every game. They've had absolutely loaded teams that choke it all away. So I disagree quite vehemently. Rodgers and farve were fantastic, but they had some teams that were ridiculously good. ALOT. Do I like their front office? Nah. When it came to crunch time in the playoffs, those two hall of famers choked. I'm definitely not a packer fan, but I do watch every single game closely with my father and son. They had teams that without a doubt should have gone much further in the playoffs.
Sorry to hear it happen to your team. It's gonna hurt for a while but hopefully in a decade or so you can be considered a relevant team again.
Love it
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!!!!
It would be great if you, maybe together with Marcus Whitman, did an analysis after the season, a macro level analysis how this current mess came to be, drafts, roster contruction, the whole nine yards.
I live in australia, no free to air broadcast of game, not radio coverage, no replay, nothing and they make it worse by costing me heaps to what them lose!. I am totally depressed
As a raiders fan, I feel you, it happens to my team every year.
I had so much hope in the raiders at the start of the year 😔
Raiders still haven't got a defense out side of maxx or hobbs or an oline until they get that its just gonna be a talented offense that isnt consistent
@@dark_winter8238 Mannn I’m not even a raiders fan and I was excited for y’all :/
That’s true. God damn are they always awful. They always find a way to fuck it up
And McDaniels made it 10 times worse.
Worst part is how obvious it is how many people have been waiting on this downfall for so long
All u can do is collect receipts for now sadly
So many people including me is sooner or later the Packers plateau of success would absolutely crumble, and it's so satisfying to see a lot of these packer fans whine. Now you guys will understand what it's like to be a bad team throughout the season instead of being good and then just choking the playoffs like you always do.
Rodgers thinks he's playing basketball. His ego is why this team sucks
Hell yes I've been waiting for this downfall since farve took over!!! I live in Wisconsin and hate gb, but they got back to back hof qb's and ALOTTA winning. A ring a piece for farve and rodgers is pitiful, but still, alot of winning football. Since '92 I've been patiently waiting...and its finally here.
@@Ice9kills78 Think Rodgers wants to be a free agent next season?
I’m a Broncos fan through and through, but damn Grossi you make me laugh and so entertained! Welcome to Suckville!
Steelers fans can relate to this, exactly how we felt with Ben.....💯
Pls don’t compare Aaron to Ben
Yeah, one of them won two Superbowls.
Lol Exactly
I feel like Rodgers is purposely audibling out of run plays so at the end of the season when you guys look back he'll say he had no Wr's as well as no run game only to save whatever image he has left. He's trying to play hero ball when he doesn't have to.
-Vikings fan .
Tom sounding like Vaas like Far Cry 3 😂
“Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is? Insanity is doing the exact... same fucking thing... over and over and over and over again… expecting... shit to change... That. Is. Crazy.”
As a Lions fan, I've never been more excited for a Tom Grossi video
Same you got to respect this man for being so honest about what happened
Damn... what a video. This video hit. Great podcast Tom. It's been a long ride. We won the SuperBowl when i was in 6th grade. And every single year from 2009 to 2022 we were expected to Go to the SuperBowl and be favored. 13 years this window was open. We got a ring 12 years ago. So so so long ago. Only 2 players left on the roster apart of that championship team. As Packers fans we always expected to get back. But now the expectation of winning is ceased and our championship window is closed. And due to all the contracts and extensions... this rebuild is going to be delayed and our turnaround may not be until a dew years. And this franchise is going to have to do something they haven't done since the 80s... ands that's turn around a losing organization. Most teams go decades without winning a SuperBowl. Im 24 now. It maybe until im 34 until the Packers make it there again. It's been almost 13 years since we won a Lombardi. 8 straight years in the playoffs. 3 straight years of being the #1 seeded team. Now this team is not a great team anymore. And we can very well be a non-competitive team for the next 13 years. Still a fan. But for the first time... ill be a fan of a losing organization. Go Pack Go
This is what happens when you don’t fix problems with your team on time. The packers assumed they would have prime Aaron Rodgers forever, and felt as if they could mess around a couple years, wasting him.
GO PACK GO!!
That Super Bowl win is what got me into football. I would have bet my life savings that the Packers would have won at least 2 more SB's by this time. 2014 and 2020 were their moments but they choked hard both times. It's time to move on.
@@g.williams2047 they should have fired Capers after getting spanked by the Giants in 2011. A 15-1 team gets rocked 20-37 by Eli "my career is defined by two hot streaks at the right time" Manning.
@@whosaidthat84 Eli "I have ruined so many people's hopes and dreams" Manning.
I have given up. Instead of giving the Packers any attention, I gave more of it to my kids. Season is over. Hopefully we get a top ten draft pick.
As a colts fan of I totally understand the pain of the my team doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something different.
bros getting a spoon sample as a bears fan and is going insane 😭
It is funny how badly people moan on just a down year. even worse when there is still a chance in the season to turn around.
Facts it shows how pampered these Packers fans are huh
Packers fan were spoon feed both Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers. 20+ years of success. Not realizing most franchises don't have that success. Heck look at the Patriots. They have been nothing since Tom Brady left.
As a Lions fan, I found myself conflicted. Loved the Defense making GB look bad but also concerned about the draft. Then I remembered, we will blow enough games to get a new QB in the draft.
Don't see how QB will solve the woeful defence. Our offence has been great in most games
As a Carolina fan gotta say I hope you win a few more games 😝
Having no explanations is the best approach to this season. Today I had hope multiple times and every time they crushed that hope immediately
I love just smiling finally while watching your post game vs the lions
As a Bronco fan, I feel for you bro. Let's see, it's been almost a decade we've been FLOUNDERING!😰
Welcome to what bears fans suffered through for the last decade plus
lions fan suffered for past century and still suffering enjoy your hey day bears lions will soon change ownership when we do we will be back. by by shelia ford hopfuly
tom, as a long time lions fan i feel you. even though we won today you just gotta accept it which your doing very well
Couple things. Packers won time of possession so defense has no excuse to be exhausted. Aaron Jones got hurt and had less than 3 yards a carry. Maybe getting him the ball in space, but running the ball was not working and don't know if game plan changed a lot. Offense had almost 400 yards of offense, but red zone turnovers and bad 4th down calls cost them a lot.
Yeah I don’t agree with Tom’s insistence on the run game. It wasn’t working. Jones has been injured and Dillon is just not good this year. Teams stop the run because our pass game is sus.
@@Neo6364 I think Tom and his buddy Andy Herman want to demonize Rodgers.
Everything is his fault--feel better now? The running game was not working.
As a Bears fans I’ve waited my whole life for this 🙌🏾❤️ 🐻⬇️ Most cap space in NFL, All our draft Picks back, Young QB looks like the next G.O.A.T. The grass is actually looking greener on this side for once
fix your shitty field before Fields tears his future on it
@@thechaddingo2677 brand new stadium in a couple years in Arlington and we got new grass/turf this year and haven’t had a big leg injury at all this season. All that 🧂 is bad for your cholesterol my boy 😂😂😂
Fields has a few godo games and he’s called the next goat? Ik you guys are happy you finally have a good qb but calm yourself
@@jerrunholt5571 don’t worry about me or fields worry about them packers my boy
@@AcidWords1 man how bout y’all handle the lions and stop worrying about our future Goat 😂😂😂😂😂😂, I’m happy about where the bears are headed can you say the same about the packers? This season is a wash and we will steal finish with a better record watch
This team is a dumpster fire...from GM all the way down the line. No motivation or ambition, no accountability, no game plans, no coaching, no discipline, nothing...
Tom, I love you, but as a Lions fan your sadness brings me such joy 💕
As a Bears fan I can’t wait to play you guys again 😁
If we beat the Packers I'm probably going shit shit my pants. I know on paper we can do it, but my lifetime of struggling against the Packers still views it as impossible for some reason.
As long as it's not in primetime, I give the bears a good shot...esp since they finally realized to RUN FIELDS!
Maybe you can get everyone in the stadium to scream, "We own you!" when the bug-eyed little snot loses.
respect to your realism, Tom
33 year lions fan & this was a great season for us GB suffering brings me joy but you're a great sport love your channel
FTP!!!
I remember pre-Favre Packers. We've been in a sweet spot for a long time since. This is a reality check. Ride it out and be practical about getting better. Packers are still my team.
Tom you always have the exact right words to describe what it feels like to be a Packers fan, especially with what's going on right now. Thank you.
As for the Pack themselves though I'm not hearing/seeing anyone questioning the new OC Stenavich? I mean to me that's the biggest change this offseason, aside from losing Davante, and no one is talking about it. Makes me wonder if he's even calling the plays?
The energy on that "Grossi Posse Packer" yell hit waayyy different in the midst of a five game losing streak 😂😂😂
Man. I love how real you keep it. Tough sledding for the packers, but at the end of the day, go pack go.
Your room set up looks great!
This will be a mess for YEARS to come. No clear direction, Cap problems, Front office mistakes
As much as this season has sucked, it’s good to know I won’t have my heart ripped out of my chest in January
Packers aren't going to have a ton of time to build around Jordan Love's rookie contract to construct a good enough team to really see him develop & be a potential playoff threat. Curious if they do go with Love once they move off of Rodgers or if they look to get a new QB on a rookie contract as that seems to be the thing to do these days.
Love is not the answer.....not then .....not now.....draft someone or get at least an above avg vet.
@@cornpopsrazor5375 So you think the Packers are willing to concede that drafting Jordan Love in the first round was a bad pick?
Nope. They'll be much better off tanking for Arch Manning.
@@cityhawk Worst draft pick since Tony Mandrich
... as a bear 🐻 fan quoting the Beatles..
"..All u need is Love....."
I took this like a parent teacher meeting, and I took my kids thinking the teacher was ok with my kids, and I left feeling like I let down my kids, and the teacher especially. You are a great educator. But I have to ask are you ok Tom? I want you to be Happy, like all Packer's fans should be Happy.
I do wonder sometimes if he uses constant work to simply keep his mind busy. But I believe he'll be ok regardless. Hes got good friends and phenominal community to fall back on
Aaron is getting his revenge for past grievances while he has a contract. Listen to him on other radio shows. He doesn’t give an F.
Who would've thought that once Rodgers left, Packers would end the next season as a top 10 team.
the tom grossi depression tour continues
I'm a lions fan and this was my first ever game I've been to. I couldn't have picked a better one!
haha all those stupid packer fans probably felt embarrassed to lose to yall
congrats on that 👏🏽👏🏽, must have been fun!
I was at the endzone when hutchinson got the interception, I've never screamed so much in my life!
Awesome! I'll never forget my first Saints game in week 4 of the 2009 season. Went on to win the Super Bowl! Been a fan since the 1999 season
As a Seahawks fan, I thought this would be the video I'd be watching for Seattle on week 9. It's a crazy year.
Lafleur continues to get outcoached and never put the team in positions to win. Jones sitting on the sidelines for 50% of the game
Thanks Tom for helping me with my SAT vocabulary! It would have been helpful back in 2015
I have never been happier to be a part of the Grossi Posse but to NOT be a Packers fan.
Facts 🤣🤣🤣