Man, you guys were all praising him preseason about how goddamn great this team was going to be. Elite defense, Rodgers can throw to gorillas playing WR. We have 2 great running back, we have LaChoke. All of this shit your seeing this year has been around forever. That's why you get blown out in the playoffs EVERY YEAR, over and over. They have always been mediocre, Rodgers was just good enough to cover up all the major flaws. The wheels have fallen off. And it's glorious to watch.
@@ItsSerialBoX Who actually expected most of the things happening this season. Did you have Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, and Tom Brady lead teams playing very poor football? Did you have both New York teams at the top of their conference rankings? Did you expect Geno Smith to be a top QB? Did you truly expect the Packers to fall THIS far after a few changes?
So so true, The first thing I want is for the bears to win. If I cant get that then I want to see the packers lose. The past few years the only games I enjoy rewatching are packer losses. Specifically ones where aaron rodgers does terrible, if he does well but they still lose I do not find it as enjoyable. packers fans I want to lick the tears from your face and relish in your misery
Lol the packers are 49-26 since in the last 75 meetings vs the bears!!! Packers own the bears!!! Even when the packers are failing the bears still get their **** beat!
For anyone wondering about 8:18, the stat was for when Aaron Jones gets 15+ carries and when he gets less since 2019. The Packers are 31-2 when he gets more, and after today are 10-9 when he gets less
That might be a bit misleading though, they’re more likely to do run plays if they’re already winning so they can run out the clock, and vice versa. They won’t run as much if they’re down.
@@justinmoyer5914 was gonna say exactly this. I do think the truth is somewhere in the middle though. Some of that record is games they were blowing teams out in, but in a game like this that was pretty close all the way until the end, for your star running back to get 8 rush attempts is egregious
I’m a commanders fan and this was my first ever game at FedEx. It was probably over 50% packers fans and while that usually sucks, everyone I talked to was nice and bonded over the despair from our teams 🙂 was a fun atmosphere though and the win was the cherry on top
Don't worry; the Bucs will destroy the Ravens on Thursday and have their Superbowl ways right back. The little losing streak was all to set up the comeback. By now everyone should see that Tom Brady's team always does this🤪
@@brandonbrown2652 well past the point of "relax it'll be fine" when neither offences can do anything at all. If it was 1 issue then yeah you can fix it. Both offenses have 5 or 6 issues that can't and won't be solved any time soon
As a Bills fan, AND a Grossi fan, my condolences for next weeks SNF game. And as a long time Bills fan, I'm expecting that comment to come back and bite me
Naw it's going to be a "Hail Murray" situation all over again. Except it won't be Murray to Hopkins, it'll be Rodgers to "insert mediocre receiver here"
I’m glad I’m not alone. It’s like Groundhog Day and each week they say the same things but nothing changes. The offensive line was not to blame today. The offense is not producing and the penalties are killing us.
Soooooo Tom Grossi is gonna be the new head coach of the Packers right? Cuz I've heard more passion and heart in just a few minutes of this video than Matt Lafleur has shown at all
Grossi, I feel for you man. I’m a browns fan. I know it’s not the exact same situation as the packers, but, the browns have had so much potential for the last 3-4 years and we keep losing horribly in games we should win, while having talent that should get us those wins.
@@Kyleforthe3SIKE You're right, Rodgers and Watson aren't the same. Rodgers gets touched and he whines like a little baby, thus the QB rules came into place the last couple of years lol.
Lafleur isn’t doing his job. He’s had the luxury of a prime Rodgers and Adams covering up all his systems flaws and now we get to see it. It’s a nightmare
@@fvgc454ss thats Rodgers, it has nothing to do with Lafleur, like he said with losing some weapons you’re seeing Lafleurs terrible offense for what it is
1:20 As a Giants fan this is how I felt last year. Just when you think it can’t get worse Jake Fromm State Farm is your QB and you’re running Qb sneaks on third and nine
as a Bucs fan, we and Packers fans should have enjoyed the days of arguing whose old quarterback is better while competing for the conference because even though I cheered against Green Bay it’s sad watching this year like damn we both suck now
Broncos fan here. You all had a long fall. We Broncos had a phantom long way to fall. Too high expectations. Some of us had a wait and see mentality. However, I never thought it would be this historically horrible. I do feel your pain. 😢
@@theconsigliere8463 praising what rock where you under definitely wasn't me I've always been wary of this guy before he got the job in green bay, he was one of the worse offensive coordinators in the NFL, only thing i felt good about him was he wasn't McCarthy, and he would bring some different ideas to the team. But overall, I have not been impressed with the guy sense he has been in green bay people will overlook the overall team adjusting in tuff situation and say he made it to nfc championships when Rodgers and Adams being so dynamic made it to those big games. Honestly to me he isn't an overall good head coach point blank period so in your eyes that's what you think not me.
We saw this with the Vikes last season. When you're on the bad side of several one-score games against teams you should be dominating, it forces you to acknowledge that you are a bad football team.
@@bradleysample3246 All the older Vikings fans I know just want to see the Vikings win a super-bowl before they die. I'll share in your misery (we've been there A LOT). Are we walking on eggshells fulling expecting our team to miss an easy game-winning field goal in the play-offs; yessir.
This is a new feeling for me. I know the Packers have had their skids in the past, but I started watching them seriously in 2019. Every season I’ve watched has followed a pretty similar script: they win a lot of games, lose a couple they shouldn’t have, but despite everything get to 13-3 and then lose in the NFCCG or divisional round. It’s kinda surreal witnessing the team look this bad but honestly, like you Tom, I’m still here. I’ll be watching every week regardless. Obviously I hope they figure it out before it’s too late.
Same thing here. Started seriously watching in 2018-19 and am very not used to this. Its interesting how there were clear problems in the past but it was overshadowed by the sheer talent. Now that there's less talent all the flaws are showing through. And as of yet we're not seriously adapting to fix them.
Ryan Reed = SHURLY you JEST - This team is TOAST = THERE'S no Quick Fix for this mess = TOTALLY a problem with no answers of = well if we can replace a guy or 3 = lt will be a Complete change of the lineup = Coaches to Players = 5 yrs ATLEAST = And it will Be a great number of Disappointments and Disposable Players being used by this Team for yrs to come = Your Opponents will have there way = With little to Nothing you can do to Stop it = Home field Advantage is Meaningless Now = You will be a very Distant Memory of a Good Team for the Next 5 yrs or Longer = Your Stuck in Suck = How's that CHEESE Tasting boys
NO NO NO dont you dare compare the Iconic GO PACK GO to that dribble there are Three ways people from Wisconsin use the phrase GO PACK GO One when the Jingle is played at or around a Packer game Two as LAST WORDS before we jump in to the unknown abyss as in anytime we take that leap of faith the same way John McClain says "yippee ki yay" in Die Hard and the Third way is more of the spiritual version the same way The Mandalorian says "this is the way" or Obi-Wan would say "may the force be with you" in Star Wars GO PACK GO has been used in Wisconsin for 80 years Russell Wilson can choke on that "Let's Ride" cringe Tom here was using GO PACK GO in the Third way thank you and your welcome
As one of the few Buccaneers fans dedicated to your stream, I feel all of this on a deep level. We too are struggling with our MVP veteran QB, not running the ball as much as we should and have been loosing to teams we shouldn't have. So here I am, sitting on this couch with you, and getting too comfortable. And I don't like it.
@@glenbard657 .....it was just a typo. I know how to spell losing. But since we are playing THAT kind of game, I guess I don't know how to spell losing...since I am not use to my Bucs having that problem. 🤨
As a Pats fan, I really really respect you for being willing to make videos about your team when they mess up. I’m not too sure I would be able to do that. So kudos to you, Tom.
You have to think whenever it's such a full team failure like this it has to come down to coaching. It almost feels like they aren't making in game adjustments because there aren't any prepared. Teams that get a lot of penalties in key moments aren't being disciplined. And it has to be said, Rodgers is making some shaky throws, receivers are being thrown out of rhythm. This is a hard season to watch.
Brady, Wilson, and Rodgers all have one thing in common. They all treated the NFL like a part time job this offseason. Brady missed 11 days of training camp, and is clearly mentally affected by an impending divorce and disintegration of his family life. His conflicts over retirement show that he is deathly afraid of trying to figure out what his identity will be when he can no longer be an NFL QB. It's showing physically with how gaunt he has looked in press conferences and emotionally and mentally with the temper tantrums on the sidelines going from a once in a while "oh too much passion" type moments to "is that dude okay?" type moments? Seriously, microsoft surface tablets have nightmares of being within throwing distance of Tom Brady. Rodgers spends the entire offseason getting high on Ayahuasca and rambling while baked to Joe Rogan. He made minimal effort to develop rapport or get to know any of the new receiver corps he's working with, threw them under the bus during training camp, and continues to basically blame everything on everyone else while the season goes on. Just for a contrary example. Eli Manning, who is nowhere near in the same class as Aaron Rodgers, was so concerned about losing slot receiver Steve Smith to the Eagles, that he made a point to do workouts with Victor Cruz during a lockout by throwing to each other at a high school park. Can you imagine Aaron Rodgers doing anything even close to this? Russell Wilson spent all his time in the offseason spouting "Broncos Country, lets' ride!" every five seconds to remember that just because you're supposedly coming into a team that's stacked you still have to actually build rapport with that team. Wilson's eccentric nature, while humored in Seattle, isn't flying in Denver and it shows. Wilson is mentally affected this year because it's the first year that fans and NFL pundits are openly criticizing him much more harshly than ever before. Add in that disastrously bad Subway commercial making him look completely out of touch with the current situation (yes I'm aware the commercial was filmed months ago, point is it should have seen the light of day given their start this year). Wilson also is likely still dealing with lingering injuries from his time in Seattle which seems to have neutered his scrambling ability, which was much more key to his game than anyone wanted to admit. End of the day, these guys are all established stars who figured they would just show up at training camp and everything would go status quo. The NFL will always have hungry players coming for your spot, and unless you're working to improve in the off-season, and react to changes, you will be left behind eventually.
That is really true. I was so angry with Aaron with all of his distractions, Covid, Ayahuasca, endorsements, and being too important to meet with and throw to his rookie WR's
Agree 💯 w/Rodgers in off season. Save the hallucinogens for retirement dude!! And he's too good to work with new receivers. All the off season bs the past 3 yrs has caught up to the team. Yes they're other problems, but QB is supposed to a leader, and he isn't. Passive aggressive blame for others' mistakes but nothing about his own. He takes no accountability at all. There's so much wrong this year that it's probably too late to fix it bc ultimately our QB & coach MLF are major pieces in this puzzle of less than mediocrity. smh
Thank you. You have read my mind since the struggle started to appear. The lack of team effort these past weeks made me feel like the effort at my first NFL game in Tampa and winning feel near worthless with each destructive loss. I wouldn't be shocked if we went to tank bowl status
yeah seems like they are snowballing. All I hear at every press conference is how they have to put it behind them and move forward, but if they don't look back and fix their mistakes they will continue to make these same mistakes over and over again.
Youth and a patchwork line is killing them. I thought Green Bay would win this game, even with how good Washington's defensive line is until they said Bak wasn't playing and they were shifting players at multiple spots.
The defense not getting stops when needed in the second half is a killer. Obviously the offense is struggling but that’s a problem we knew would probably happen. The defense has too much put into it based on salary cap impact and draft capital. 7 first round picks and 4 high contract free agents. Plus Dean Lowry who’s making 8 million against the cap this year, 5th highest on the team. The defense not making big stop to get off the field is unacceptable with the amount of assets used on that side of the ball.
This season is chaos. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers both have a losing record in week 7, what is going on? Also, I am so excited to find out if Sebastian is actually gonna pay rent
Two HOF quarterbacks whom both need to retire. Both are in steep decline and you’re seeing Brady’s wheels fall off. Can they turn it around? Yes. Both still may make the playoffs but it’s gonna take ALOT of help (refs).
@@mexiguero646 Anytime a person says the refs are helping teams (and it’s not the NBA), that person shows how ignorant they are about the sport they’re talking about. Other than that, you’re right. Except the help comes in that most of the NFC is at 3-4 or worse right now. Green Bay and Tampa Bay are still legitimately in the hunt for a NFC Wild Card (and Tampa Bay is still legitimately in a spot to take the NFC South Division). Yes, the Falcons got screwed last week or Week 5 whichever. But the NFC SOUTH is very mediocre right now.
Reality is what's going on, they're old and washed up, the nostalgia and their legends have ppl blinded and they can't come to terms that all great things must come to an end.
Brady is 45 and cooked. He needed to retire at the top of his game but like Dan Marino and Payton Manning before him, he just HAD to come back ONE MORE TIME for ONE MORE SEASON and ONE MORE CHANCE AT THAT RING and he's old and he fucking sucks.
Tom, another main concern for me is the lack of adjustments from halftime. We have had leads only to completely forget how to play in the second half. Usually coaches fix problems and adjust and I feel every team is doing this but us right now!!
I have really only paid attention to the NFL since 2019-20 so I haven’t experienced a bad Packers team yet and honestly seeing how Tom deals with them being bad is very interesting to me
@@cellamuert you sound like some salty queens fan whose team never even came close to greatness. I'm well aware of what is going to happen to the packers cap situation and where the team is going to be particularly in the two to three years immediately after rodgers' retirement. the difference between the packers and the rest of the division is the packers will return to greatness where as only the lowly bears are the only ones who even know what greatness is. you can't return to greatness if you've never been there in the first place
3rd down conversions are a major issue too. It was frustrating to watch how whenever they had 3rd and long, they would have a pass in the backfield for no gain or 2 yards, when there was 10-13 yards left. It was like they weren’t even trying to convert the 3rd down.
Going to be honest It’s 2017 and 2018 all over again without any true good thing on the team It’s all bad and it’s all their faults Think the ship is finally taking on water
Man… It just keeps coming back to the offense for me. The defense is, I think, is getting slightly better against the run. The problem is, they’re getting gassed from how long they have to be on the field. The first half of this game, I honestly think the defense showed that top 5 prowess. But in the second half, they were out there for so long that they just broke under the pressure. And if the offense coulda figured at least the 3rd quarter out, I think this game woulda ended 24-17 Packers. But nope, the run was given up on and the Packers shit out another egg. Just… Fuck.
I personally believe I don't think any trade or signing is going to fix our team. I think it comes down to three things that we need to do better on to be the better team which is coaching, technique, and play calling. If we can do these three things really well I think we can go all the way and win the super bowl.
I mean an aging qb who makes up a chunk of your cap doesn't help. Especially when he can't produce with the Dollar General offense that the gm staff put together.
In theory yes, but the problem is the gap between the Packers and the elite teams is massive. Even if you make the Super Bowl, the AFC is way WAY stronger than the NFC this year
Inspired by your short cover of I assume, Jump by Van Halen in the intro, I did my own. It's called "Suck". [Curse One:] Packers get up And everything brings them down They're down tough Matt tells people not to run around And they know, Grossi Just how fans feel You gotta go through the drops Or throws right to the heels [Pre-Chorus:] Oh, can't you see them holding there? The runs are ignored even when they're clean This is the worst that you've seen Oh, can you see what I mean? [Chorus:] Ah, might as well suck (Suck!) Might as well suck Go ahead and suck (Suck!) Go ahead and suck [Curse 2:] Oh! Hey you! Who dropped that! Davante, how you been? You say you catch throws We don't know, what that means [Pre-Chorus:] So can't you see them running there Rodgers throws his ball too far ahead the seam This is the team that we've seen Oh, can't you see what I mean? [Chorus:] Ah, might as well suck (Suck!) Go ahead and suck Might as well suck (Suck!) Go ahead and suck Suck! [Guitar Solo] [Keyboard Solo] [Chorus:] Might as well suck (Suck!) Go ahead and suck Get it and suck (Suck!) Go ahead and suck [Outro:] Suck Suck Suck Suck
I feel like one factor too is the front office. It has a history of sticking to "tradition"/ "planning for the future" and helping the team when it had problems and was close to actually winning.
It's time to drop the Ron Wolf Philosophy. It's a shitty tradition & this dead old guy Ted Thompson had the goddamn audacity to continue that philosophy.
Here’s what’s wrong with the Packers: 1. Poor leadership 2. Poor coaching 3. Poor mentality 4. Poor consistency 5. Love to lose and make its owners, fans, and community suffer 6. Refuse to adapt and adjust from their mistakes 7. Have no motivation and competitive spirit to win 8. Love to unintentionally make bad teams and bad players look amazing So with all that said, the Packers are one of the worst teams in the NFL. And now we have to watch this team go through a fate worse than death at the hand of the Buffalo Bills. And the score for that game, will be 60-0 Bills. I just don’t see how this team makes the playoffs and wildcard, and our record will be 3-14, given how we’re playing now.
The biggest problem with Packers is Rodgers. He got McCarthy fired and the new coach is not any better. Then he stunted the development of Jordan Love. He wanted Cobbs who is old and injury-prone. He wanted his $50 million while Davante was waiting on a contract. Davante started looking elsewhere because of this drama (offering Davante more once the Raiders put in an offer is just a reactive move). Then all he does is go into the media and talk nonsense because he is desperate for attention. Now he is calling out rookies and the coach every press conference. 1 Super Bowl in 17 years is a big failure for a QB but he doesn't care. He wants his personal stats and MVPs so he can tell everyone he's not the problem.
Vikings fan here. This isn’t that difficult. Your coach tipped his hand a few years back in that Championship game against Tampa. There was a play in which he took the ball out of Rodgers’ hands and settled for a FG late, and Rodgers never had another opportunity. In his post-game presser, when questioned about the play calling, said something to the effect of, “We will always trust the process here above all else.” Of course ‘process’ meaning analytics. (I’ve never forgotten that ridiculous answer.) So his laptop is doing the play calling. Still. Which is what Rodgers was speaking about in last week’s press conference. They simply don’t have the tools for Coach Wonderboy’s software right now. It’s pretty obvious to me as I don’t have an emotional attachment to the team. That’s still a good team. The defense is above-average, and as much as I hate #12, he’s still a threat, even with the lesser weapons. When a team struggles offensively the best medicine is getting back to running the ball. Unfortunately, the team’s laptop doesn’t recognize that. But a good coach would. Which is why I said right after that NFC Championship press conference that he will never win shit with an attitude like that.
& that's why Packers fans are furious at LaFleur. It won't be long now before every single Packer fan will go after him for his incompetent playcalling & it possibly forces the board to fire both him & perhaps Gutekunst for his shit drafting. Good luck with the rest of your games, just don't shit the bed. - An accepting Packers fan who is slowly embracing the rebuild.
Welcome to how us Vikings fans have felt throughout the years. It eventually gets better but after the past 30 years I hope it doesn't for a long time 🤣
The silver lining of this season is the false hope vikings are giving their fans. I look forward to watching the typical late season collapse of the vikings, which will include an ugly late season loss to the out of the wild card contention packers at lambeau and an early playoff exit
I just don’t understand why we do the same exact plays on offense. All we do is throw to the flats on the sides. And there’s zero motion before the play like we always used to see. Jet touch pass was one of our best plays and we stopped that. When you don’t have the best talent you need to spice it up and try to trick the defense
Appreciate your ability to make entertaining content about both your team and others and keep it classy even when outraged. Technically I'm here to drink your tears, but only because you're good at sharing them. Hope the Packers turn it around, they were my childhood favorites purely due to their jersey colors.
I completely understand your pain. J. Taylor only getting 10 Carries when averaging 5.8 yards per attempt is ridiculous. He was coming off injury but this has been happening since last year. And I believe like I know why. Being a Colt fan I can say that a lot of the once good to great QB's are getting old (we keep getting them) and not enough young guys are filling in the gaps. Everyone still wants to throw the ball all the time and most just aren't up to it. And this year being all over the place is because the Jets, Giants, Pat's, Falcons, and the Cowboys, whose offensive rosters don't look spectacular/have injuries are doing really well with way more even pass to rush ratios. While the Packers, Colts, Denver are throwing way too much. Even without good o-lines, gotta try running a decent amount so the d-fences have to keep an eye on running lanes and not just getting to the QB. Plus the Old QB guards just can't carry teams on their own anymore. While KC, Buf, Cin, Bal can for pretty obvious reasons. This may not be full proof but there are way too many coincidences for this not at least having an effect.
Isn't the problem that these teams (colts included) run the ball really well, but just don't choose too? Perhaps the idea that the NFL teams have to hire young "genius" offensive minds for their new head coaches is playing within the head coach's head.
@@thomasblock1164 absolutely with both, it's a big factor, and the "Genius" coaches being unnecessary as seen with NE. Belichick's coordinators tend not to do so well anywhere else while he chooses to run the ball all but 3 times last year cause the weather was absolutely terrible. Can't get any more bland than that and they won. Obviously it's more complicated than that but hell Michael Scott did say "keep it simple stupid" and a lot of coaches today should do this, especially without the talent to achieve more complicated schemes.
What can you Say to a Person that has you in a $50 million, Hostage Situation. Get Him Mad and He retires, it's Still $50 million, So they're walking on Eggshells around Aaron Rodgers
if grossi ripped off your style he could make some funny videos right now. you should do a collaboration video where you show tom how to properly yell at the tv during a game when your team is doing poorly
This hurts my heart because it is EXACTLY right. Some of these things were forseeable (we know our WRs were going to be a weakpoint after losing our top 2), but the failure to plan for that (with a run-first game) and/or ADAPT is a failure of coaching. It's killing me.
Packers now are reminding me of the Steelers from the past couple years. They had team wide issues and a combo of talent and luck that's getting them wins when on paper they didn't deserve it. At least with the Steelers now, they are working on developing a new QB without straight up throwing him to the wolves in his rookie year by having Trubisky start at the beginning or when Pickett's not 100%.
It's funny how the Shanahan offense is falling apart this season, 49ers, Rams, and Packers all seem to be struggling on offense this year. There has to be something to that, for all of them to be falling apart at the same time right?
Matt Lafleur inherited a super bowl contending team. You could have plugged any coach in there and they would have been very successful. For me, you wont be able to tell how good of a coach he is until Rodgers retires.
I don’t even know what to say anymore about this team. I think this just shows how much of an effect Hacket and Getsy had on our regular season success. Sure, Adams aided in that, but we were 7-0 without him. I honestly don’t even know what brand of football they’re playing. Is there even a game plan? Sure doesn’t look like it. Feels like they don’t watch any film and just go in and wing it. At some point I want to see LaFleur actually run his team. I feel like he gives so much leeway and always wants to be looked at in a good light, that it’s ruining everything. Hold these players accountable. Make them run plays over and over and over until it becomes muscle memory. That’s probably what they’re doing, but it sure doesn’t seem like it. All in all, I’m tired of us making 2nd and 3rd string quarterbacks look like MVPs. I’m tired of us meeting our opponents at eye level instead of trying to dominate them. Maybe we need to tell LaFleur that it isn’t disrespectful to your opponent to win
@@peggyon1 I wonder that too. This just shows how important Hackett and Getsy were to this team. We're seeing a complete collapse of this team right now. A lot of people are going to also point fingers at the defense. While they haven't played up to their abilities, you can't have a great defense when our offense constantly goes 3 and out all day. This offense needs to get their shit together and quick.
Not that I'm rooting for it since I have no love for the Bills, but there's an above average chance Green Bay is going to get embarrassed next week. Like lose by 20+ type embarrassed. And if that happens, I question if the coaching staff is strong enough to keep the team from imploding.
SO as a Packer Fan in Wisconsin We want one of two things one would be that the Packers do the unthinkable and some how win this game or is The Packer are going to lose to do it in a Blowout like a 20 point loss because that way the rest of the world will see what we see know what we know and feel how we feel a lot of us saw this coming when we lost all the different coaches and players in the off season 8-9 was a common though hear in Milwaukee WI
Aaron Jones is averaging 5.5 yards per carry this season. 4 of his 6 seasons he has averaged 5.5 yards. His career average of 5.1 per carry is 5th highest all time for running backs with at least 750 carries.
#1 The defense is struggling to stop the run. #2 Special teams has been costing them games for years and still does. #3 It seems Aaron Rodgers wants to be the reason the team wins, Without knowing how many running plays were called and changed at the line of scrimmage it's impossible to know why they aren't running more.
We saw it with McCarthy and now LaFleur. Rodgers is changing plays. There's no way on 3 and 1 or 4th and 1 either coach was/is calling a 25 yard fly pattern.
Cant run if theyre stacking it inside. The teams know our run game is good thats why theyre defending against it so you have to pass right? Running against a wall wont win us games either.
But then he yells at a receiver for dropping a pass that was at his feet. The announcers sounded surprised he caught it until the refs signaled incomplete.
@@plantingseedsproductions4195 No you are not. I had this conversation with a Rodgers fanboy last week. We've seen far to many screens or swing passes this year where the receivers have had to stop and catch the ball behind them, off their shoe tops and over their head totally blowing the play up.
Tom, I believe it's time the Packers need to fully retreat into the rebuilding phase. The Vikings can have a million division titles for the North for all we care but if they can't even equal that of superbowl wins: they deserved to be laughed at too. Honestly, there's a lot on how we all got here & it's a lot to dissect too, but I'll shorten it as much as I can. - Had Ted Thompson not sniffed & continued on that stupid Ron Wolf Philosophy during that dominant era in 2014 & came up short in the end: this team could have fired McCarthy & Capers by then. Instead, we suffered for 3-4 more years of it & it took them that long to fire McCarthy, Capers, & Ted Thompson, thus experiencing the same shit we're going through when we did with Favre. - Then we get LaFleur, who at first: was unknown but he supposedly rejuvenated the stale offense for a good 1-2 years but now it's starting to look predictable & LaFleur would come up with these lame-ass cliche speeches after every loss. Plus with how he chooses his friends to be on his staff over experienced coaches with a decent or great track record proves he ultimately prefers to have friendships over championships. The problem we're facing now is: the current front office has FAILED to fix the offensive issues when Ted Thompson Jr. known as Brian Gutekunst didn't even flippin' bother to find a serviceable WR since Davante Adams was traded, & that LaFleur literally has failed to adjust in the 2nd half further proves point #2 that he's starting to get figured out. Should this worry us? Yes. We need to spread the offense more but because we have no other good receivers: this won't happen. PS; to the really bad 99% of the Vikings fans who are commenting here & kicking down Tom Grossi just because he's a big Packers fan on his own channel: GROW THE HELL UP. He's a content creator who can do what he wants & that means he gets to poke fun at the team's poverty years & some Vikings fans that are in the 1% of being good & decent ones KNOW he's joking around. Even as a Packers fan myself: I couldn't care less about some measly division title when that meant nothing in the end for 2 years under LaFleur, so enjoy the few good seasons. Who knows, perhaps the Bears & the Lions can be up there if they can manage to surround themselves with good talent & be decently competitive.
Despite what LaFleur and Rodgers say post game they aren't on the same page. Just go back to the NY game where they took a timeout on 3rd and 1. When Rodgers went to the sideline it was right there on TV for all to see. Whatever LaFleur was telling Rodgers he wanted, Rodgers was blowing it off.
Honestly your take is correct, I'm a Vikings fan and so far our season has been 1 phase bailing out the others except the Packers game. When not a single phase is working then you just can't win.
I mean, you guys kind of deserve it. Like, 2 decades of franchise QBs? No one else gets that. I do feel for you, don't get me wrong. Just that most of us have already have to deal with losing pretty often.
One thing that really frustrates me is the entire packers organization acting like this is fine. The packers have struggled offensively for 7 weeks in a row, and nothing is being done to change that. They should have started to make changes by week 4, 5 at the latest. The only thing that has changed is the o-line. If they fix one problem every three weeks, it'll be years before we even make a dent in how many things need to be fixed.
Was watching the game as a Commanders fan thinking "oh god, just how is Grossi gonna feel about the Pscker ineptitude?" Edit: After watching, I'm with you, play calling felt very...awkward for the Packers. Why are you running sub 15 times in a game where you didn't trail by 2 scores til the 4th quarter?
I feel for the Packers fans. We Lions fans are supposed to be the permanent pained fan base in the NFC North. You guys aren’t used to this. I’ll start a support group. We’ll get through this together
I don’t think we will. As a lions fan, we would start support groups for them and watch them go through an entire rebuild and superbowl run and we’d still be exact the same😂😂😂
@@plantingseedsproductions4195 I’m also an Iowa fan, it’s just I’m also an Eagles fan so I can latch onto that this season. I feel bad because both teams are underperforming despite being fully capable of doing much better. Regarding Iowa, I actually have worries for the future, since I highly doubt Brian is going anywhere, at least not without Kirk also going.
@@ericv215 i have nothing but hatred for the bears. i'll take not winning a superbowl for the rest of my life if the bears are right there to suffer with me
This has the feel of the beggining of the end. It feel just like the last couple years of mccarthy. Rodgers body language is the same. He was constantly calling his own plays and passing it a bunch when they didnt have good receivers. The only difference is back then tbey only had lacy. Now they have 2 really good backs. I think a lot of the offense is rodgers.
The entire 2022 season is the last 3 mins of the 2014 NFC championship game. Everything that can go wrong is. It started with trading Adams. Healthy teams don’t trade Star talent away. Healthy teams don’t have stars that want to leave. It feels like there are too many leaks to try and stop. Fixing the offense doesn’t fix the defense and Vice versa. We fans aren’t used to this but this is reality. Rodgers is going to retire at some point and we’re getting a glimpse because he hasn’t been Superman this year.
Davante couldn't get GB to pay him for over 8 months. I think Aaron could have stepped in earlier to help or offer some of his millions but he was busy 'cleansing'. @ the 11th hour GB offered him 'more than the Raiders' He was already out. Pure neglect, IMO.I think they were operating under the premise that Aaron elevates all players so Davante was a bit 'unnecessary' & too expensive. 'The stout defense' was going to carry the day-lol
It's like this game gave the Green Bay fan base all the nausea from a ayahuasca experience without any deep spiritual revelations or anti-depressant effects. 😅
I love how the refs had a big part in wiping big plays off the board for you guys and you didn't mention that ONCE! It makes me really respect you and your analysis
@@tommy8151000 receivers couldn't catch n the run game was stopped Unless you can take off n scramble for yards YOU AIN'T going nowhere under these conditions
@@tommy8151000 if anyone looked washed it was jaire Alexander n the HIGHEST PAID SECONDARY IN THE LEAGUE Our linebacker should NOT be the one shutting down the pass game and our run defense is AWFUL almost ranked dead last so there's problems there too Also it sure as HELL SEEMS we can't stop ANYONE from scoring when they get in our red zone It's like we're traffic cones or something
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Brian Daboll is the first rookie Giants HC to start 6-1 since 1929. The franchise was only 4 years old the last time this happened.
Go G men!!!
@Silver Fox Sports 😂. Troll.
“At some point you are what your record says you are”-Bill Parcells
@Silver Fox Sports Haters Keep Hating
@@chiapets2594 Some people just don’t like it when teams have a rags to riches season
@Silver Fox Sports Yeah, Right. Good One. You must be a Packers or Bucs fan in denial.
As a Texans fan it’s nice to see other people complain about their teams. Tom Grossi welcome to mediocrity, we’re happy to have you
Everyone complains about their team at some point. But the Packers are not nearly as bad as the Texans and it's not even close
Calling the Texans mediocre is a stretch
@@michaelrivera765 that’s not what their saying
@@Miniduck9013 they're *
Midsville, USA
You are the ONLY Packers talking head to actually get this right. Thank you
Man, you guys were all praising him preseason about how goddamn great this team was going to be. Elite defense, Rodgers can throw to gorillas playing WR. We have 2 great running back, we have LaChoke.
All of this shit your seeing this year has been around forever. That's why you get blown out in the playoffs EVERY YEAR, over and over. They have always been mediocre, Rodgers was just good enough to cover up all the major flaws. The wheels have fallen off. And it's glorious to watch.
You got a cheap Bic pen bro.
@@ItsSerialBoX Who actually expected most of the things happening this season. Did you have Russell Wilson, Matt Ryan, and Tom Brady lead teams playing very poor football? Did you have both New York teams at the top of their conference rankings? Did you expect Geno Smith to be a top QB? Did you truly expect the Packers to fall THIS far after a few changes?
@@Kyle_116 the NFL this year is just weird bro. Whichever Indian burial ground Goodell himself disturbed should be left as is lol
@@ItsSerialBoX seems to me that you been waiting for this for a long time building up and letting it out. Good job man. You feel better now?
As a Bears fans, I must say I'm really enjoying this. When your own team sucks, the only solace comes from your rival suffering too.
Yeah? Then why am I, as a fellow Bears Fan, still jaded?
@@2049571 It doesn't take away the pain or the cynicism, it's just a little light shining on a horrible season.
Mmmmh packer fan here I'd like to say BIG FACTS my only solace is bradys losing too
So so true, The first thing I want is for the bears to win. If I cant get that then I want to see the packers lose. The past few years the only games I enjoy rewatching are packer losses. Specifically ones where aaron rodgers does terrible, if he does well but they still lose I do not find it as enjoyable. packers fans I want to lick the tears from your face and relish in your misery
Lol the packers are 49-26 since in the last 75 meetings vs the bears!!! Packers own the bears!!! Even when the packers are failing the bears still get their **** beat!
For anyone wondering about 8:18, the stat was for when Aaron Jones gets 15+ carries and when he gets less since 2019. The Packers are 31-2 when he gets more, and after today are 10-9 when he gets less
Just that alone shows there's a huge problem with the couching
That might be a bit misleading though, they’re more likely to do run plays if they’re already winning so they can run out the clock, and vice versa. They won’t run as much if they’re down.
@@justinmoyer5914 most fans are too dumb to pay attention to context, just stats
@@justinmoyer5914 was gonna say exactly this. I do think the truth is somewhere in the middle though. Some of that record is games they were blowing teams out in, but in a game like this that was pretty close all the way until the end, for your star running back to get 8 rush attempts is egregious
The Packer need to do the math. This is Football get your head up and play like winners. What happened to this team?
I’m a commanders fan and this was my first ever game at FedEx. It was probably over 50% packers fans and while that usually sucks, everyone I talked to was nice and bonded over the despair from our teams 🙂 was a fun atmosphere though and the win was the cherry on top
Refreshing comment. Glad you had a good time.
Packers fan base is definitely one of the most friendly. Having said that, congrats on the win 😞
It's a game. It should be fun. Happy you had a good first experience,
@@Bsquaredplus2 I've heard that too.
@@Bsquaredplus2 Broo Packers fans are annoying! I love the team but their fans are obnoxious calling Rodgers the GOAT
LaFleur has never lost back to back games as HC. His first time doing so he’s now lost 3 in a row
And it’s a great thing
And he’s likely to lose four in a row with the game in Buffalo coming up.
@@jacksonconley5117 likely he will no doubt
@@zacharybutts5505 are u a vikqueens fan
@@jacksonconley5117 - Ya, GB stands no chance against Buffalo. None
I’m sorry you are going through this Tom
Come back :(
“The Greenbay Packers have been eliminated from playoff contention”
That’s what we’ll be hearing if they don’t make serious changes
They'll be eliminated by the bye week.
I have to say... even if they made the playoffs... so what, they'll be 1 and done.
@@jcs1758 that's not terribly different from what they have been
@@jcs1758 Yeah and then that’ll just be an excuse to keep the same garbage around and not make serious changes.
It's too late already. we have to start thinking about next season. The Packers must prepare for the future.
As a Bucs fan, we're experiencing a very similar season. Looks like we wont be seeing each other again in the playoffs after all
At least you can take solace in the fact that the rest of the NFC South isn't that great and you're at worst tied for first in your division
It's not even halfway . Relax
Don't worry; the Bucs will destroy the Ravens on Thursday and have their Superbowl ways right back. The little losing streak was all to set up the comeback. By now everyone should see that Tom Brady's team always does this🤪
Not over yet
@@brandonbrown2652 well past the point of "relax it'll be fine" when neither offences can do anything at all. If it was 1 issue then yeah you can fix it. Both offenses have 5 or 6 issues that can't and won't be solved any time soon
It makes sense that you were a teacher, this is a great lesson plan for explaining the Packers' issues.
I bet he was a great teacher too.
You got a cheap Bic pen bro.
Foreal I got flash backs to school no cap
Tom was a teacher? Well that explains the effort applied to the thematic decorations. Elementary teacher?
@@Paldasan I believe Tom was a high school teacher.
As a Bills fan, AND a Grossi fan, my condolences for next weeks SNF game.
And as a long time Bills fan, I'm expecting that comment to come back and bite me
The Packers magically put together a literally-perfect game and bear Buffalo by multiple scores, proceed go winless for the rest of their season.
Naw it's going to be a "Hail Murray" situation all over again. Except it won't be Murray to Hopkins, it'll be Rodgers to "insert mediocre receiver here"
Let's go Buffalo
@@ericv215 AY Ay Ay Ay!
Going to be honest here unless Allen somehow suddenly gets hurt the Packers have less than a 5% chance of winning this game.
I’m glad I’m not alone. It’s like Groundhog Day and each week they say the same things but nothing changes. The offensive line was not to blame today. The offense is not producing and the penalties are killing us.
Soooooo Tom Grossi is gonna be the new head coach of the Packers right? Cuz I've heard more passion and heart in just a few minutes of this video than Matt Lafleur has shown at all
I totally agree we should start a petition to fire Lafleur and have Tom come in to see if he can possibly turn the team around.
I’d rather have Grossi as a coach than that loser of a coach LaFleur
Grossi, I feel for you man. I’m a browns fan. I know it’s not the exact same situation as the packers, but, the browns have had so much potential for the last 3-4 years and we keep losing horribly in games we should win, while having talent that should get us those wins.
You also have a serial rapist as your qb. We are not the same
@@Kyleforthe3SIKE You're right, Rodgers and Watson aren't the same. Rodgers gets touched and he whines like a little baby, thus the QB rules came into place the last couple of years lol.
@@xiffy1881 at least you didn't deny the serial rapist part lmao
@@xiffy1881 Rodgers gets touched, Watson touches. They are not the same ❗🔥🔥😤😤😤
@@Nick-ec1hs I don't care about Watson lol. But at least you didn't deny him being a whiny baby lol
Lafleur isn’t doing his job. He’s had the luxury of a prime Rodgers and Adams covering up all his systems flaws and now we get to see it. It’s a nightmare
🤣 yea. Rodgers got 2 of his mvps being under Lefluer because he's a terrible coach. Lol ok..
@@fvgc454ss thats Rodgers, it has nothing to do with Lafleur, like he said with losing some weapons you’re seeing Lafleurs terrible offense for what it is
@@nickgrennan1164 exactly. Rodgers and adams were able to cover up the flaws but they came out in the playoffs and lafleur couldn’t adjust
1:20 As a Giants fan this is how I felt last year. Just when you think it can’t get worse Jake Fromm State Farm is your QB and you’re running Qb sneaks on third and nine
He's gone now. He can't hurt us anymore! We're 6-1!
😂
I actually look forward to watching our games now it's craxy
He is a hero fro doing that 3 & 9 ! it was the only way for Mara thick skull to understand he and the GM had to go and look outside
as a Bucs fan, we and Packers fans should have enjoyed the days of arguing whose old quarterback is better while competing for the conference because even though I cheered against Green Bay it’s sad watching this year like damn we both suck now
Broncos fan here. You all had a long fall. We Broncos had a phantom long way to fall. Too high expectations. Some of us had a wait and see mentality. However, I never thought it would be this historically horrible. I do feel your pain. 😢
Bucs won a Super Bowl relatively recently. Take that win and just let it ride out.
Are you a bandwagon Bucs fan because of Brady or a lifelong Bucs fan?
It’s almost as if Mike McCarthy never left. Just lost a little weight. 😂
Right lol you hit it right on spot with this Haha so true this team is a joke we see truly the coaching isn't very good
Best comment. EVER.
funny yall were praising Matt last few years only criticism he had was not going for it on 4th against Tampa.
@@theconsigliere8463 praising what rock where you under definitely wasn't me I've always been wary of this guy before he got the job in green bay, he was one of the worse offensive coordinators in the NFL, only thing i felt good about him was he wasn't McCarthy, and he would bring some different ideas to the team. But overall, I have not been impressed with the guy sense he has been in green bay people will overlook the overall team adjusting in tuff situation and say he made it to nfc championships when Rodgers and Adams being so dynamic made it to those big games. Honestly to me he isn't an overall good head coach point blank period so in your eyes that's what you think not me.
a little weight?
We saw this with the Vikes last season. When you're on the bad side of several one-score games against teams you should be dominating, it forces you to acknowledge that you are a bad football team.
Or bad coaching.
The Vikes had very few large point margin wins under Zimmer because he insisted on being so conservative when the team had a lead.
@@ryanjacobson2508 It was the exact opposite problem though, he liked to run the ball TOO much.
@@michaellindgren9653 Running the ball too much means more chances of injuries to RB.
As a Vikings fan who loves and watches almost all of your videos Tom….I must say….this has been an absolutely fantastic season
Skol.
We enjoyed watching your Eagles game
@@bradleysample3246 and we enjoyed watching week one ... and your last 3 games
@@danringdahl6369 All the older Vikings fan I know are just waiting for that ship to sink
@@bradleysample3246 All the older Vikings fans I know just want to see the Vikings win a super-bowl before they die. I'll share in your misery (we've been there A LOT). Are we walking on eggshells fulling expecting our team to miss an easy game-winning field goal in the play-offs; yessir.
This is a new feeling for me. I know the Packers have had their skids in the past, but I started watching them seriously in 2019. Every season I’ve watched has followed a pretty similar script: they win a lot of games, lose a couple they shouldn’t have, but despite everything get to 13-3 and then lose in the NFCCG or divisional round. It’s kinda surreal witnessing the team look this bad but honestly, like you Tom, I’m still here. I’ll be watching every week regardless. Obviously I hope they figure it out before it’s too late.
Same thing here. Started seriously watching in 2018-19 and am very not used to this. Its interesting how there were clear problems in the past but it was overshadowed by the sheer talent. Now that there's less talent all the flaws are showing through. And as of yet we're not seriously adapting to fix them.
Ryan Reed = SHURLY you JEST - This team is TOAST = THERE'S no Quick Fix for this mess = TOTALLY a problem with no answers of = well if we can replace a guy or 3 = lt will be a Complete change of the lineup = Coaches to Players = 5 yrs ATLEAST = And it will Be a great number of Disappointments and Disposable Players being used by this Team for yrs to come = Your Opponents will have there way = With little to Nothing you can do to Stop it = Home field Advantage is Meaningless Now = You will be a very Distant Memory of a Good Team for the Next 5 yrs or Longer = Your Stuck in Suck = How's that CHEESE Tasting boys
Your “Go Pack Go” at the end had definite sad Russ “Let’s ride” vibes.
NO NO NO dont you dare compare the Iconic GO PACK GO to that dribble there are Three ways people from Wisconsin use the phrase GO PACK GO One when the Jingle is played at or around a Packer game Two as LAST WORDS before we jump in to the unknown abyss as in anytime we take that leap of faith the same way John McClain says "yippee ki yay" in Die Hard and the Third way is more of the spiritual version the same way The Mandalorian says "this is the way" or Obi-Wan would say "may the force be with you" in Star Wars GO PACK GO has been used in Wisconsin for 80 years Russell Wilson can choke on that "Let's Ride" cringe Tom here was using GO PACK GO in the Third way thank you and your welcome
As one of the few Buccaneers fans dedicated to your stream, I feel all of this on a deep level. We too are struggling with our MVP veteran QB, not running the ball as much as we should and have been loosing to teams we shouldn't have.
So here I am, sitting on this couch with you, and getting too comfortable. And I don't like it.
Why doesn't anyone know how to spell lose or losing? How do you pronounce "goose" in your world?
@@glenbard657 .....it was just a typo. I know how to spell losing.
But since we are playing THAT kind of game, I guess I don't know how to spell losing...since I am not use to my Bucs having that problem. 🤨
"It's a portal gun and I just keep falling." -I felt that in my soul
As a Pats fan, I really really respect you for being willing to make videos about your team when they mess up. I’m not too sure I would be able to do that. So kudos to you, Tom.
Well this is his job now
You have to think whenever it's such a full team failure like this it has to come down to coaching. It almost feels like they aren't making in game adjustments because there aren't any prepared. Teams that get a lot of penalties in key moments aren't being disciplined. And it has to be said, Rodgers is making some shaky throws, receivers are being thrown out of rhythm.
This is a hard season to watch.
Brady, Wilson, and Rodgers all have one thing in common.
They all treated the NFL like a part time job this offseason.
Brady missed 11 days of training camp, and is clearly mentally affected by an impending divorce and disintegration of his family life. His conflicts over retirement show that he is deathly afraid of trying to figure out what his identity will be when he can no longer be an NFL QB. It's showing physically with how gaunt he has looked in press conferences and emotionally and mentally with the temper tantrums on the sidelines going from a once in a while "oh too much passion" type moments to "is that dude okay?" type moments? Seriously, microsoft surface tablets have nightmares of being within throwing distance of Tom Brady.
Rodgers spends the entire offseason getting high on Ayahuasca and rambling while baked to Joe Rogan. He made minimal effort to develop rapport or get to know any of the new receiver corps he's working with, threw them under the bus during training camp, and continues to basically blame everything on everyone else while the season goes on. Just for a contrary example. Eli Manning, who is nowhere near in the same class as Aaron Rodgers, was so concerned about losing slot receiver Steve Smith to the Eagles, that he made a point to do workouts with Victor Cruz during a lockout by throwing to each other at a high school park. Can you imagine Aaron Rodgers doing anything even close to this?
Russell Wilson spent all his time in the offseason spouting "Broncos Country, lets' ride!" every five seconds to remember that just because you're supposedly coming into a team that's stacked you still have to actually build rapport with that team. Wilson's eccentric nature, while humored in Seattle, isn't flying in Denver and it shows. Wilson is mentally affected this year because it's the first year that fans and NFL pundits are openly criticizing him much more harshly than ever before. Add in that disastrously bad Subway commercial making him look completely out of touch with the current situation (yes I'm aware the commercial was filmed months ago, point is it should have seen the light of day given their start this year). Wilson also is likely still dealing with lingering injuries from his time in Seattle which seems to have neutered his scrambling ability, which was much more key to his game than anyone wanted to admit.
End of the day, these guys are all established stars who figured they would just show up at training camp and everything would go status quo. The NFL will always have hungry players coming for your spot, and unless you're working to improve in the off-season, and react to changes, you will be left behind eventually.
That is really true. I was so angry with Aaron with all of his distractions, Covid, Ayahuasca, endorsements, and being too important to meet with and throw to his rookie WR's
Agree 💯 w/Rodgers in off season. Save the hallucinogens for retirement dude!! And he's too good to work with new receivers. All the off season bs the past 3 yrs has caught up to the team. Yes they're other problems, but QB is supposed to a leader, and he isn't. Passive aggressive blame for others' mistakes but nothing about his own. He takes no accountability at all.
There's so much wrong this year that it's probably too late to fix it bc ultimately our QB & coach MLF are major pieces in this puzzle of less than mediocrity. smh
This video absolutely nailed all the problems the packers have. Well said!
Thank you. You have read my mind since the struggle started to appear. The lack of team effort these past weeks made me feel like the effort at my first NFL game in Tampa and winning feel near worthless with each destructive loss. I wouldn't be shocked if we went to tank bowl status
Very frustrating to see the pacs offense this bad… there are so many mistakes that are blatantly obvious to us that they aren’t fixing…
They were the best offense a year ago and now they’re one of the worst.
yeah seems like they are snowballing. All I hear at every press conference is how they have to put it behind them and move forward, but if they don't look back and fix their mistakes they will continue to make these same mistakes over and over again.
If you think it’s bad now, wait until you have a stiff at quarterback……..😐
Youth and a patchwork line is killing them. I thought Green Bay would win this game, even with how good Washington's defensive line is until they said Bak wasn't playing and they were shifting players at multiple spots.
The defense not getting stops when needed in the second half is a killer. Obviously the offense is struggling but that’s a problem we knew would probably happen. The defense has too much put into it based on salary cap impact and draft capital. 7 first round picks and 4 high contract free agents. Plus Dean Lowry who’s making 8 million against the cap this year, 5th highest on the team. The defense not making big stop to get off the field is unacceptable with the amount of assets used on that side of the ball.
This season is chaos. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers both have a losing record in week 7, what is going on?
Also, I am so excited to find out if Sebastian is actually gonna pay rent
Two HOF quarterbacks whom both need to retire. Both are in steep decline and you’re seeing Brady’s wheels fall off. Can they turn it around? Yes. Both still may make the playoffs but it’s gonna take ALOT of help (refs).
@@mexiguero646 Anytime a person says the refs are helping teams (and it’s not the NBA), that person shows how ignorant they are about the sport they’re talking about. Other than that, you’re right. Except the help comes in that most of the NFC is at 3-4 or worse right now. Green Bay and Tampa Bay are still legitimately in the hunt for a NFC Wild Card (and Tampa Bay is still legitimately in a spot to take the NFC South Division). Yes, the Falcons got screwed last week or Week 5 whichever. But the NFC SOUTH is very mediocre right now.
Reality is what's going on, they're old and washed up, the nostalgia and their legends have ppl blinded and they can't come to terms that all great things must come to an end.
Brady is 45 and cooked. He needed to retire at the top of his game but like Dan Marino and Payton Manning before him, he just HAD to come back ONE MORE TIME for ONE MORE SEASON and ONE MORE CHANCE AT THAT RING and he's old and he fucking sucks.
@@andrewm6424 Tbf the Bucs would have a worse record if the refs didn't blatantly help them with that awful RTP call against the Falcons.
Tom, another main concern for me is the lack of adjustments from halftime. We have had leads only to completely forget how to play in the second half. Usually coaches fix problems and adjust and I feel every team is doing this but us right now!!
I have really only paid attention to the NFL since 2019-20 so I haven’t experienced a bad Packers team yet and honestly seeing how Tom deals with them being bad is very interesting to me
its kind of surreal to remember pre favre packers and have newer fans think this is as bad as bad gets
@@cellamuert you sound like some salty queens fan whose team never even came close to greatness. I'm well aware of what is going to happen to the packers cap situation and where the team is going to be particularly in the two to three years immediately after rodgers' retirement. the difference between the packers and the rest of the division is the packers will return to greatness where as only the lowly bears are the only ones who even know what greatness is. you can't return to greatness if you've never been there in the first place
3rd down conversions are a major issue too. It was frustrating to watch how whenever they had 3rd and long, they would have a pass in the backfield for no gain or 2 yards, when there was 10-13 yards left. It was like they weren’t even trying to convert the 3rd down.
Going to be honest
It’s 2017 and 2018 all over again without any true good thing on the team
It’s all bad and it’s all their faults
Think the ship is finally taking on water
Man… It just keeps coming back to the offense for me. The defense is, I think, is getting slightly better against the run. The problem is, they’re getting gassed from how long they have to be on the field. The first half of this game, I honestly think the defense showed that top 5 prowess. But in the second half, they were out there for so long that they just broke under the pressure. And if the offense coulda figured at least the 3rd quarter out, I think this game woulda ended 24-17 Packers. But nope, the run was given up on and the Packers shit out another egg.
Just… Fuck.
I personally believe I don't think any trade or signing is going to fix our team. I think it comes down to three things that we need to do better on to be the better team which is coaching, technique, and play calling. If we can do these three things really well I think we can go all the way and win the super bowl.
win the sb is a stretch
Agreed
I mean an aging qb who makes up a chunk of your cap doesn't help. Especially when he can't produce with the Dollar General offense that the gm staff put together.
In theory yes, but the problem is the gap between the Packers and the elite teams is massive. Even if you make the Super Bowl, the AFC is way WAY stronger than the NFC this year
As a Jags fan by default, the bottomless pit is a very familiar feeling. We are desensitized to it.
As a Lions fan, good to know we aren’t alone in the bottomless pit.
Also love your work man. The positivity and general cheerfulness keeps me going some days. Thank you!
Preach! This why I followed you.. you speak the truth but with passion like a true packer
Inspired by your short cover of I assume, Jump by Van Halen in the intro, I did my own. It's called "Suck".
[Curse One:]
Packers get up
And everything brings them down
They're down tough
Matt tells people not to run around
And they know, Grossi
Just how fans feel
You gotta go through the drops
Or throws right to the heels
[Pre-Chorus:]
Oh, can't you see them holding there?
The runs are ignored even when they're clean
This is the worst that you've seen
Oh, can you see what I mean?
[Chorus:]
Ah, might as well suck (Suck!)
Might as well suck
Go ahead and suck (Suck!)
Go ahead and suck
[Curse 2:]
Oh! Hey you! Who dropped that!
Davante, how you been?
You say you catch throws
We don't know, what that means
[Pre-Chorus:]
So can't you see them running there
Rodgers throws his ball too far ahead the seam
This is the team that we've seen
Oh, can't you see what I mean?
[Chorus:]
Ah, might as well suck (Suck!)
Go ahead and suck
Might as well suck (Suck!)
Go ahead and suck
Suck!
[Guitar Solo]
[Keyboard Solo]
[Chorus:]
Might as well suck (Suck!)
Go ahead and suck
Get it and suck (Suck!)
Go ahead and suck
[Outro:]
Suck
Suck
Suck
Suck
An absolute masterpiece
pretty good!
I sang this in my head and I'm not even a Packer fan 😂 Well done!
Amazing bro everyone give this man a thumbs up
I think he was doing Eddie from Stranger Things season 4. A meme song was about it called Chrissy wake up, I don’t like this.
As a Broncos fan… You can have Hackett. Maybe that will make both of our teams better
As a Seahawks fan, I appreciate them Broncos
As a browns fan, let me give you packers fans some advice to help cope. Beer, lots of it
Bottlegate!😂😂😂🤣
Well here in Wisconsin there are 2 things we have in abundance...dairy cattle and beer so we're good.
I feel like one factor too is the front office. It has a history of sticking to "tradition"/ "planning for the future" and helping the team when it had problems and was close to actually winning.
It's time to drop the Ron Wolf Philosophy. It's a shitty tradition & this dead old guy Ted Thompson had the goddamn audacity to continue that philosophy.
Here’s what’s wrong with the Packers:
1. Poor leadership
2. Poor coaching
3. Poor mentality
4. Poor consistency
5. Love to lose and make its owners, fans, and community suffer
6. Refuse to adapt and adjust from their mistakes
7. Have no motivation and competitive spirit to win
8. Love to unintentionally make bad teams and bad players look amazing
So with all that said, the Packers are one of the worst teams in the NFL. And now we have to watch this team go through a fate worse than death at the hand of the Buffalo Bills. And the score for that game, will be 60-0 Bills. I just don’t see how this team makes the playoffs and wildcard, and our record will be 3-14, given how we’re playing now.
The biggest problem with Packers is Rodgers. He got McCarthy fired and the new coach is not any better. Then he stunted the development of Jordan Love. He wanted Cobbs who is old and injury-prone. He wanted his $50 million while Davante was waiting on a contract. Davante started looking elsewhere because of this drama (offering Davante more once the Raiders put in an offer is just a reactive move). Then all he does is go into the media and talk nonsense because he is desperate for attention. Now he is calling out rookies and the coach every press conference. 1 Super Bowl in 17 years is a big failure for a QB but he doesn't care. He wants his personal stats and MVPs so he can tell everyone he's not the problem.
Everytime Tom Grossi starts yelling RUN THE BALL
I get Richard Sherman vibes. I felt that, I felt it all the way
Vikings fan here. This isn’t that difficult. Your coach tipped his hand a few years back in that Championship game against Tampa. There was a play in which he took the ball out of Rodgers’ hands and settled for a FG late, and Rodgers never had another opportunity. In his post-game presser, when questioned about the play calling, said something to the effect of, “We will always trust the process here above all else.” Of course ‘process’ meaning analytics. (I’ve never forgotten that ridiculous answer.) So his laptop is doing the play calling. Still. Which is what Rodgers was speaking about in last week’s press conference. They simply don’t have the tools for Coach Wonderboy’s software right now. It’s pretty obvious to me as I don’t have an emotional attachment to the team.
That’s still a good team. The defense is above-average, and as much as I hate #12, he’s still a threat, even with the lesser weapons. When a team struggles offensively the best medicine is getting back to running the ball. Unfortunately, the team’s laptop doesn’t recognize that. But a good coach would. Which is why I said right after that NFC Championship press conference that he will never win shit with an attitude like that.
& that's why Packers fans are furious at LaFleur. It won't be long now before every single Packer fan will go after him for his incompetent playcalling & it possibly forces the board to fire both him & perhaps Gutekunst for his shit drafting. Good luck with the rest of your games, just don't shit the bed.
- An accepting Packers fan who is slowly embracing the rebuild.
Welcome to how us Vikings fans have felt throughout the years. It eventually gets better but after the past 30 years I hope it doesn't for a long time 🤣
Just don't piss it away, that's all
@@hardlyplayingygo7441 Too late, we have Kurt Cousins. Unless every playoff game and the Super Bowl is played at noon, it’s one and done.
@@Bryan-od7nv That's true, & it wouldn't be surprising if he ends up shitting the bed in the postseason.
But it was: THROW THE BALL
The silver lining of this season is the false hope vikings are giving their fans. I look forward to watching the typical late season collapse of the vikings, which will include an ugly late season loss to the out of the wild card contention packers at lambeau and an early playoff exit
RUN THE BALL! Man sounds like Richard Sherman after super bowl 49
I can’t wait to hear Rodgers to tell us to relax on mcafee Tuesday……sarcasm
As a browns fan I completely understand this pain. We’re there too.
I'm a ravens fan. browns fan yay worse then those kitty cats in our division 😆
As a browns fan pain but how do we have the same record as the panthers we’re supposed to be good why
Robbie Gould must’ve hella messed them up
I just don’t understand why we do the same exact plays on offense. All we do is throw to the flats on the sides. And there’s zero motion before the play like we always used to see. Jet touch pass was one of our best plays and we stopped that. When you don’t have the best talent you need to spice it up and try to trick the defense
Appreciate your ability to make entertaining content about both your team and others and keep it classy even when outraged. Technically I'm here to drink your tears, but only because you're good at sharing them. Hope the Packers turn it around, they were my childhood favorites purely due to their jersey colors.
I completely understand your pain. J. Taylor only getting 10 Carries when averaging 5.8 yards per attempt is ridiculous. He was coming off injury but this has been happening since last year. And I believe like I know why. Being a Colt fan I can say that a lot of the once good to great QB's are getting old (we keep getting them) and not enough young guys are filling in the gaps. Everyone still wants to throw the ball all the time and most just aren't up to it. And this year being all over the place is because the Jets, Giants, Pat's, Falcons, and the Cowboys, whose offensive rosters don't look spectacular/have injuries are doing really well with way more even pass to rush ratios. While the Packers, Colts, Denver are throwing way too much. Even without good o-lines, gotta try running a decent amount so the d-fences have to keep an eye on running lanes and not just getting to the QB. Plus the Old QB guards just can't carry teams on their own anymore. While KC, Buf, Cin, Bal can for pretty obvious reasons. This may not be full proof but there are way too many coincidences for this not at least having an effect.
Isn't the problem that these teams (colts included) run the ball really well, but just don't choose too? Perhaps the idea that the NFL teams have to hire young "genius" offensive minds for their new head coaches is playing within the head coach's head.
@@thomasblock1164 absolutely with both, it's a big factor, and the "Genius" coaches being unnecessary as seen with NE. Belichick's coordinators tend not to do so well anywhere else while he chooses to run the ball all but 3 times last year cause the weather was absolutely terrible. Can't get any more bland than that and they won. Obviously it's more complicated than that but hell Michael Scott did say "keep it simple stupid" and a lot of coaches today should do this, especially without the talent to achieve more complicated schemes.
As a bears fan I feel your pain tom
The opposite I think. As packers fans we finally feel y’all’s pain 😭
@@jakub8302 its weird lol
What can you Say to a Person that has you in a $50 million, Hostage Situation. Get Him Mad and He retires, it's Still $50 million, So they're walking on Eggshells around Aaron Rodgers
I love this channel
if grossi ripped off your style he could make some funny videos right now. you should do a collaboration video where you show tom how to properly yell at the tv during a game when your team is doing poorly
@@FlyingGuillotine100 wait for the week Green Bay plays Dallas
This hurts my heart because it is EXACTLY right. Some of these things were forseeable (we know our WRs were going to be a weakpoint after losing our top 2), but the failure to plan for that (with a run-first game) and/or ADAPT is a failure of coaching. It's killing me.
Packers now are reminding me of the Steelers from the past couple years. They had team wide issues and a combo of talent and luck that's getting them wins when on paper they didn't deserve it. At least with the Steelers now, they are working on developing a new QB without straight up throwing him to the wolves in his rookie year by having Trubisky start at the beginning or when Pickett's not 100%.
It's funny how the Shanahan offense is falling apart this season, 49ers, Rams, and Packers all seem to be struggling on offense this year. There has to be something to that, for all of them to be falling apart at the same time right?
Matt Lafleur has NEVER lost more than 4 games in a season. Next week after the Bills game, Matt Lafleur has NEVER lost 6 games in a season!
Its going to be ugly next week. Also the Bills star Cornerback Tre White will be back. Wouldn't be surprised if its a blowout.
Matt Lafleur inherited a super bowl contending team. You could have plugged any coach in there and they would have been very successful. For me, you wont be able to tell how good of a coach he is until Rodgers retires.
@@pauld6222 u can't seriously believe that.
@@fvgc454ss Just watch...I don't have to prove a thing, the Packers are, and will do it for me.
Tonight on “Days of Our Packers”….
I don’t even know what to say anymore about this team. I think this just shows how much of an effect Hacket and Getsy had on our regular season success. Sure, Adams aided in that, but we were 7-0 without him.
I honestly don’t even know what brand of football they’re playing. Is there even a game plan? Sure doesn’t look like it. Feels like they don’t watch any film and just go in and wing it. At some point I want to see LaFleur actually run his team. I feel like he gives so much leeway and always wants to be looked at in a good light, that it’s ruining everything. Hold these players accountable. Make them run plays over and over and over until it becomes muscle memory. That’s probably what they’re doing, but it sure doesn’t seem like it.
All in all, I’m tired of us making 2nd and 3rd string quarterbacks look like MVPs. I’m tired of us meeting our opponents at eye level instead of trying to dominate them. Maybe we need to tell LaFleur that it isn’t disrespectful to your opponent to win
I wonder how Tom Clements affects Rodgers? I wonder how Clements & MLF get along? I do think Hackett & Getsy are missed.
@@peggyon1 I wonder that too. This just shows how important Hackett and Getsy were to this team. We're seeing a complete collapse of this team right now.
A lot of people are going to also point fingers at the defense. While they haven't played up to their abilities, you can't have a great defense when our offense constantly goes 3 and out all day.
This offense needs to get their shit together and quick.
Daboll proved coaching can take teams far this year
Coach of the year!
Not that I'm rooting for it since I have no love for the Bills, but there's an above average chance Green Bay is going to get embarrassed next week. Like lose by 20+ type embarrassed. And if that happens, I question if the coaching staff is strong enough to keep the team from imploding.
SO as a Packer Fan in Wisconsin We want one of two things one would be that the Packers do the unthinkable and some how win this game or is The Packer are going to lose to do it in a Blowout like a 20 point loss because that way the rest of the world will see what we see know what we know and feel how we feel a lot of us saw this coming when we lost all the different coaches and players in the off season 8-9 was a common though hear in Milwaukee WI
Aaron Jones is averaging 5.5 yards per carry this season. 4 of his 6 seasons he has averaged 5.5 yards. His career average of 5.1 per carry is 5th highest all time for running backs with at least 750 carries.
#1 The defense is struggling to stop the run.
#2 Special teams has been costing them games for years and still does.
#3 It seems Aaron Rodgers wants to be the reason the team wins, Without knowing how many running plays were called and changed at the line of scrimmage it's impossible to know why they aren't running more.
We saw it with McCarthy and now LaFleur. Rodgers is changing plays. There's no way on 3 and 1 or 4th and 1 either coach was/is calling a 25 yard fly pattern.
Cant run if theyre stacking it inside. The teams know our run game is good thats why theyre defending against it so you have to pass right? Running against a wall wont win us games either.
Tom going through the seven stages of grief, his up to anger
It shows just how good Rodgers is that he can still throw for almost 200 yards and two touchdowns with wide receivers that were picked off The street
Then maybe he should be a little bit more accurate. Especially on short passes.
@@plantingseedsproductions4195 if I could give you 1000 likes I would
@@tanyamcpeek9846 Thanks, when I see Jones breaking his stride to catch a pass that’s over his head I wonder …am I the only one seeing this.
But then he yells at a receiver for dropping a pass that was at his feet. The announcers sounded surprised he caught it until the refs signaled incomplete.
@@plantingseedsproductions4195 No you are not. I had this conversation with a Rodgers fanboy last week. We've seen far to many screens or swing passes this year where the receivers have had to stop and catch the ball behind them, off their shoe tops and over their head totally blowing the play up.
Hey mate,I feel your pain!Aussie 49ers fan here.Hey but at least you have a QB.
Tom, I believe it's time the Packers need to fully retreat into the rebuilding phase. The Vikings can have a million division titles for the North for all we care but if they can't even equal that of superbowl wins: they deserved to be laughed at too. Honestly, there's a lot on how we all got here & it's a lot to dissect too, but I'll shorten it as much as I can.
- Had Ted Thompson not sniffed & continued on that stupid Ron Wolf Philosophy during that dominant era in 2014 & came up short in the end: this team could have fired McCarthy & Capers by then. Instead, we suffered for 3-4 more years of it & it took them that long to fire McCarthy, Capers, & Ted Thompson, thus experiencing the same shit we're going through when we did with Favre.
- Then we get LaFleur, who at first: was unknown but he supposedly rejuvenated the stale offense for a good 1-2 years but now it's starting to look predictable & LaFleur would come up with these lame-ass cliche speeches after every loss. Plus with how he chooses his friends to be on his staff over experienced coaches with a decent or great track record proves he ultimately prefers to have friendships over championships.
The problem we're facing now is: the current front office has FAILED to fix the offensive issues when Ted Thompson Jr. known as Brian Gutekunst didn't even flippin' bother to find a serviceable WR since Davante Adams was traded, & that LaFleur literally has failed to adjust in the 2nd half further proves point #2 that he's starting to get figured out. Should this worry us? Yes. We need to spread the offense more but because we have no other good receivers: this won't happen.
PS; to the really bad 99% of the Vikings fans who are commenting here & kicking down Tom Grossi just because he's a big Packers fan on his own channel: GROW THE HELL UP. He's a content creator who can do what he wants & that means he gets to poke fun at the team's poverty years & some Vikings fans that are in the 1% of being good & decent ones KNOW he's joking around. Even as a Packers fan myself: I couldn't care less about some measly division title when that meant nothing in the end for 2 years under LaFleur, so enjoy the few good seasons. Who knows, perhaps the Bears & the Lions can be up there if they can manage to surround themselves with good talent & be decently competitive.
Despite what LaFleur and Rodgers say post game they aren't on the same page. Just go back to the NY game where they took a timeout on 3rd and 1. When Rodgers went to the sideline it was right there on TV for all to see. Whatever LaFleur was telling Rodgers he wanted, Rodgers was blowing it off.
Tom is experiencing what bears and lions fans have been for decades
Honestly your take is correct, I'm a Vikings fan and so far our season has been 1 phase bailing out the others except the Packers game. When not a single phase is working then you just can't win.
"there has to be a bottom"
Well, the Packers play the Bears on December 4th...
You asked - "where is the pass rush?" ... He's now tearing it up with the Vikes. Thanks for Za'Darius, he's a beast!
I mean, you guys kind of deserve it. Like, 2 decades of franchise QBs? No one else gets that. I do feel for you, don't get me wrong. Just that most of us have already have to deal with losing pretty often.
Yeah packers time has come up, I mean they bullied potential winning teams for years just to come short in the post season like whyy💀
I hear ya Grossi! Well done, well done 👏
Days of our Packers when?
One thing that really frustrates me is the entire packers organization acting like this is fine. The packers have struggled offensively for 7 weeks in a row, and nothing is being done to change that. They should have started to make changes by week 4, 5 at the latest. The only thing that has changed is the o-line. If they fix one problem every three weeks, it'll be years before we even make a dent in how many things need to be fixed.
Was watching the game as a Commanders fan thinking "oh god, just how is Grossi gonna feel about the Pscker ineptitude?"
Edit: After watching, I'm with you, play calling felt very...awkward for the Packers. Why are you running sub 15 times in a game where you didn't trail by 2 scores til the 4th quarter?
Well said Tom well said.
Working 3rd shift I'm so glad I chose sleep over watching Redzone.
I feel for the Packers fans. We Lions fans are supposed to be the permanent pained fan base in the NFC North. You guys aren’t used to this. I’ll start a support group. We’ll get through this together
I don’t think we will. As a lions fan, we would start support groups for them and watch them go through an entire rebuild and superbowl run and we’d still be exact the same😂😂😂
@@brutaldom it’s really not fair how right you are
To the reskins. Yikes.
As a Vikings fan, I treasure the Pack struggle, but this still doesn't seem real.
My uncle is both a Packers fan and an Iowa fan, I feel bad for him
Proud Packer/Hawkeye fan. We don’t need your pity. Quality organizations. Can’t be on top every season.
@@plantingseedsproductions4195 I’m also an Iowa fan, it’s just I’m also an Eagles fan so I can latch onto that this season. I feel bad because both teams are underperforming despite being fully capable of doing much better. Regarding Iowa, I actually have worries for the future, since I highly doubt Brian is going anywhere, at least not without Kirk also going.
@@LlamaF00D27 Time will tell. College football isn’t as well regulated like the NFL. The academic standards are not the same throughout the country.
I think Tom said it in the Packers fan reaction for last season when he sobbed "I don't wanna be the Lions!"
as a bears fan, nothing makes me happier than seeing the packers experience for once what the bears have gon through for the past thirty years
honestly i don't care if we miss the playoffs and the window is closed, so long as we beat the bears.
we still own y'all
@@B12BENNETTman that was low.
Damn.. 30 years... and that team is still shit.
@@ericv215 i have nothing but hatred for the bears. i'll take not winning a superbowl for the rest of my life if the bears are right there to suffer with me
@@B12BENNETT Elite hating. I respect it
This has the feel of the beggining of the end. It feel just like the last couple years of mccarthy. Rodgers body language is the same. He was constantly calling his own plays and passing it a bunch when they didnt have good receivers. The only difference is back then tbey only had lacy. Now they have 2 really good backs. I think a lot of the offense is rodgers.
The entire 2022 season is the last 3 mins of the 2014 NFC championship game. Everything that can go wrong is. It started with trading Adams. Healthy teams don’t trade Star talent away. Healthy teams don’t have stars that want to leave. It feels like there are too many leaks to try and stop. Fixing the offense doesn’t fix the defense and Vice versa. We fans aren’t used to this but this is reality. Rodgers is going to retire at some point and we’re getting a glimpse because he hasn’t been Superman this year.
Davante couldn't get GB to pay him for over 8 months. I think Aaron could have stepped in earlier to help or offer some of his millions but he was busy 'cleansing'.
@ the 11th hour GB offered him 'more than the Raiders' He was already out. Pure neglect, IMO.I think they were operating under the premise that Aaron elevates all players so Davante was a bit 'unnecessary' & too expensive. 'The stout defense' was going to carry the day-lol
Excellent observation @ProfPolish
During the game when it was 3rd and 2, and 4th and 1, I'm like "run the ball" and we passed it both times, and didn't get it.
It's like this game gave the Green Bay fan base all the nausea from a ayahuasca experience without any deep spiritual revelations or anti-depressant effects. 😅
Yeah it's more like coming off a meth binge, shaky and depressed as hell, looking for your next fix
Ever since last year's divisional they ain't been the same...
If you want to watch a painful offense, just watch the Iowa Hawkeye offense this year. It’s horrible
I love how the refs had a big part in wiping big plays off the board for you guys and you didn't mention that ONCE! It makes me really respect you and your analysis
Is it the refs fault Aaron Rodgers is washed up?
@@tommy8151000 receivers couldn't catch n the run game was stopped
Unless you can take off n scramble for yards YOU AIN'T going nowhere under these conditions
@@tommy8151000 if anyone looked washed it was jaire Alexander n the HIGHEST PAID SECONDARY IN THE LEAGUE
Our linebacker should NOT be the one shutting down the pass game and our run defense is AWFUL almost ranked dead last so there's problems there too
Also it sure as HELL SEEMS we can't stop ANYONE from scoring when they get in our red zone
It's like we're traffic cones or something
Bears and Lions fans: "One of Us. One of Us."
It’s because it’s our turn to S U F F E R
Once we lost to San Fran last year, that was it.
Last year truly was The Last Dance for the Packers
Yeah because back to back NFC Championship game losses wasn't bad enough.
Lol same here as a niners fan we had our chance and now it's out of grasp for a while for the niners too.
The loss of Davante Adams ended any chance of Rodgers winning another super bowl with Green Bay.
@@ChiefBlue4298 Exactly. The TRUE Last Dance. It’s not a coincidence