The one in comics (higher existence) is the real Athena. That's why she cares about Kratos and humanity. The one from God of War 3 isn't really Athena, it's just an evil being posing as her to get on Kratos' good side. This evil being has also taken the form of the rift in Ragnnarok and the giants animals from the comics
@@KaptainKuba So, are we speaking of Lucifer here from Chaos realm? And Kratos, Tyr and one more ( we will find out soon ) are the two of the 3 ''wise man''??
In greece the Chaos Realm started thier plan with Ares. That's how Ares got the blades of Chaos. Ares was the God od War. Who's to say he didn't encourage the barbarians to attack greece in hopes of striking a deal with Kratos.
Yea 100%.. no way santa Monica or even Cory have any "multiple games spanning" lore plans. All these theory videos go way too deep and assume it all to be more complicated than it actually is
It’s a theory that Thanatos was talking about this or breaking the 4th wall about us playing the game but ultimately he may just be referring to the sisters of fate that they are playing his fate and he doesn’t know it. Who knows though because Thanatos is a primordial he’s older and seen more divine stuff than the titans even the gods themselves. We will see if Kratos makes a reference about Thanatos saying that line
Im loving the theory crafting about the cosmology of god of war. The dimensionality of the different pantheons on earth and their possible connection to gnosticism. Just imagine the final God of War game, Kratos eith all of his allies and the gods of good vs all his enemies and the gods of chaos.
@@KaptainKuba yeah, the likelihood of this stuff actually happening like on some Mortal Kombat Armageddon type of thing.... Not really likely but God damnit I have hope 🙏🏾😭
Can I just say real quick, you’re awesome Kuba. Not only do I love your content, but also of course sharing in a subject I love as well, anything God of War. But also you’re a huge inspiration and source of motivation of trying to do RUclips as well. Love you man
6:00 That phrase reminded me of a talk in GOWR, when Kratos tells his son that even objects that may be "despicable" to him can be useful, which is why Kratos prefers to take advantage of the Blades of Chaos; since, in any case, they will never abandon him. Once again, thanks for your work buddy 10/10
I don't think anyone did because it was only the second time we had seen the color green. But with God of War 3 (Athena) fallen god (giant animals) and Ragnnarok (rift) it becomes a pattern. If they had released the comics after Ragnnarok everyone would have noticed
This is amazing I love higher plane of existence theory’s, also something to think about is, Athena showed up right when kratos had to pick up the blades again, also when that red vortex showed up above kratos house, I know Matt sophos said it was all in his mind and she wasn’t there, but like you said in your previous video.. he said that in 2018 they could’ve changed the meaning of that scene where she actually is there, it would honestly make more since for her to be real there now. Writers minds change all the time.
The blades of chaos follow Kratos because he pledged his soul to Ares and the blades are now a part of Kratos no matter what he does to them. And then with the evil Athena you gotta remember Pandora’s box was opened and even Helios said “it turned all the gods insane” (not EXACTLY what he said but its the important part that I remember)
But that doesn’t explain why the blades didn’t return to him in god of war 2 and 3. Athena also wasn’t affected by the box in the other games before 3.
you remember when kratos stabbed himself with the blade of olympus in the end of GOW3 . i think athena quoted this to gods of higher existence " that was meant for me, they will not know what to do with it" and then she said " you disappoint me spartan". and then he didn't die . because he changed for good . and then i think his immortality is not a curse but a blessing from higher existance as he changed from evil to good and can be useful to gods in future
you can't determine 'change' - because 'change' is an abstract or a paradoxical concept by nature. it alludes to the 'idea of change' and how that gets determined but in actuality, that gets contradicted because of nature not being able to determine actual 'change' - so with that notion within the Human Genome into bringing 'corruption' in regards to Higher Power alluding to change because of the 'Higher Power' - then you can't determine the 'change' because of Humans setting a higher power in general such as taking over lands, creating profit for the sake of profit etc. now it's where 'Redemption' comes along, and it is a form of 'change' - since you can't determine the idea of change within someone or anything by nature considering how it's contradictory by not being able to fight 'nature' within yourself as a human being... despite this, that doesn't mean you can't 'alter' to what's already inside of you and so for someone such as Kratos, his 'Redemption' isn't a thing to be determined with an idea of 'change' because it was always a built up thing for him that circumnavigated it's way into towards where Kratos was shaped into the circumstances that he was given and chose to abide and revel in it...
also, thats a very one-noted stance that you have there in regards to Kratos being apparently 'eV_I' then 'changed' - to 'GuD' - there's no proof that Kratos sacrificed himself for Humanity, also this one-noted and generic dilemma between the realms in GoW as how this video suggested is really underwhelming... the whole dilemma of 'Good & E_iL' is stemmed from a subset of an idea that fixates on trying to give out 'meaning' onto Humanity, when in actuality goes against the very nature of what it means to be 'Human' - and instead forms a set of standards that gets objectified in truth of what a Human is supposed to be as and what it shouldn't be as... its simply allegorical and paradoxical by nature of this subset of an idea that has garnered over Human history; primarily in the Modern Era after the 19th or 20th century especially after the WW's... edit: 'Morality' as a concept also plays a major role of this, but i kinda forgot to intertwine with what I've elaborated.
How is forever having to deal with your terrible actions and guilt a “blessing” even Persephone said “your *suffering* will never end, Ghost of Sparta”
I feel like Athena could become an awesome character to flesh out with the way the games have been incorporating so much amazing storytelling. Athena is a war goddess but also knowledge, I feel like seeing the duality there could make for an awesome character dichotomy and maybe explain why she is somewhat “set apart” from the other godly entities
After GOWRs disconnect to GOW 18 setups I learned the hard way not to not get too attached to implied plot lines, shit's too heartbreaking. I'm almost certain the horn blower plot is just remnants of the abandoned Trilogy storyline.
Yea there are a few plotlines from 2018 that were forgotten or dropped in Ragnarök.. it's like the devs didn't care much about the side plotlines and only wanted to wrap up the main plot.
@@fire-typhoon123 I wouldn’t say they didn’t care, they definitely do. I feel though SMS were too ambitious with the setups and after GOW 2018 released the reality of being chained to 1 story for 10-12 years wasn’t appealing for them. Understandable but it sucks that the story quality had to take dip for it.
Woah, absolutely amazing theory! That's insane how you noticed that green eyes in the comic and connected it, it really is makes a lot of sense. That detail in particular is very, very cool, thanks for sharing.
Love all these videos you make about the GOW series. But if this is how the story is being crafted, I wonder how many people at Santa Monica know about the over arching story, especially so many different people join and leave the studio over so many multiple games. And nobody ever talked about it anywhere.
Who ever blew the horn, it gotta be someone that not a friend with Odin and speaks that Archaic language. And if we ruled out the possibility of time travel, the list is too short, you know... Too bad it remains a mystery.
In the original script, it was supposed to be baldur who blew the horn.. and since we don't have any concrete evidence to suggest otherwise, I'd say it was baldur.
@@KaptainKubait could've been the chaos realm getting someone to do that to cause chaos with jormungandr also adding stress to kratos' already Stressful situation making the chaos realm come closer to making kratos cause chaos again
That makes sense. But you missed something. The Chaos beasts aren't some random animals. They are supposed to be Behemoth and Leviathan from the Bible. Behemoth (mainly portrayed as giant hippopotamus) is the unconquerable male land-monster, living in an invisible desert (Duidain) east of the Garden of Eden, and Leviathan is the primeval female sea-monster (mainly portrayed as giant crocodile). This gives this comic book even more depth now, when Kratos is capable of defeating those symbols of invincibility.
God of War 6 : Chaos and Order When Atreus goes to find the Giants he comes across a rift. He hears his kins trapped inside it. So he does his best to free them.He need the help of his father and Kratos happily agrees on. But as time passes by, Kratos gets more and more suspicious of this so called rift. So then the 2 are gonna argue about situation and at the end, Atreus gets to free the trapped giants, but he soon finds out that he was deceived. The thing he unleashed is a lot different and worse than that. And now they have to stop it to save the world meanwhile the corrupted egypt gods are gonna follow the chaos's orders and it's got to be Team Kratos (order) vs Team Chaos That would be sick
I have a theory to add, what if garm was a normal sized wolf who was also possesed by the green chaos thing and that atreus and angrboda put a giants soul in it to make it peaceful but instead it grew bigger continuing causing chaos, that would be a good reason why the mask glew green when atreus pointed it at garm in helheim, and him along with tyr would probably lock him in helheim and tyr would loose his arm (he said he lost his arm when chaining garm in valhalla i think), at the end of the game atreus doesn't meet the real tyr so maybe the real tyr and loki met if loki and angrboda went back in time
This is the 3rd time I finish all your higher plane of existence videos and damn, they're still mind blowing. Can't wait to see what Santa Monica have in mind
I can’t wait for the Egyptian saga. Chaos vs order is a major theme in those stories. So I think we’ll definitely see the greater chaos realm and greater forces of chaos fleshed out
@@KaptainKuba they can make the egyptian pantheon the tunnel to that. Maybe they are more advanced as gods, and like Mimir said they are more "neutral" and have already balanced these 2 sides in the past and that is the reason of the neutrality. Maybe they have a passage already to the higher realm of existence. And that explains the presence of Thoth.
No, at the time she gave them the blades of exile because she didn't think he needed the blades of chaos. Because he had already set his mind on destroying Greece. The blades of chaos came later when Kratos started to change his ways. At least that's my interpretation
Blades of chaos being a curse on Kratos at all time Athena's shade made Kratos Blades of Exile to let him destroy Greece After everything ended,Kratos got back his blades in fallen god Maybe the blades were just reimaginated to these from chaos realm.
What if the chaos realm now stops trying to control Kratos, since he has turned ‘good’. What if the chaos realm now starts whispering in the ear of Atreus (aka Loki)? Try to turn him to the bad side, promise false info about the giants or something. This would also be more lore accurate for his character (I personally wouldn’t call Loki bad, but I think complicated is a better word). This would make Atreus his character a bit more complex. Also if he does turn evil, and Kratos must intervene, imagine what fireworks that would give.
Damn, seeing this video got me more into thinking about the higher plane of existence and the chaos realm a lot more than before. Now I really want to see how the two realms will impact the next pantheon where Kratos and Atreus go to. Edit: I had a thought just then. If Egypt is where God of War 6 will be, then maybe that since there are two kings of the gods depicted, Amun and Ra, i was thinking maybe one king would be on the side of order, while the other would be fallen into the side of chaos. Maybe eventually in the egyptian story, they could fuse into Amun Ra as well (As Kuba mentioned in his 10 gods Kratos should fear video).
Hey Kuba, brilliant theory! , my favourite so far. I have a few other distracting questions and thoughts bear with me, Athena's death in the OG series could have been part of her plan and even her form in the higher plane of existence could be a ruse. Also are we not falsely assuming the chaos realm is evil? If I've learnt anything from this series is that things are not always what they seem. The Egyptian god Thoth and Athena may appear to have good intentions in the higher plane but again we've learnt with gods in this series, using their power to control Kratos is often more out of selfishness and self interest than a desire to help him grow and be better. Based on your theory I would expand on it by highlighting that I think the fallen god comic lends itself to these other interpretations especially considering how the series has evolved thematically and emotionally, maybe order and chaos are both necessary. Maybe both realms are essential. Maybe not. I'm curious where SM will go but I have a feeling you've touched on a lot of what the story David Jaffe originally wanted to tell or direction he wanted to go with Kratos and with this theory I think we'll see an altered form of this be explored in the next game or 2. Great stuff man!
itd be so terrifying to realize that Athena, one of Kratos' manipulators, actually ascended to a higher plane of existence. Also it was Baldur who blew the horn.
To be honest, i always though that Athena was the true main antagonist and master-mind, behind all the events of the original trilogy. Because if you analyzes it, Athena was always influencing and molding Kratos to her need during the games, adding that Athena showed be far more manipulative than Ares, Zeus or Gaia, to always act like a "moral compass" for Kratos, as manner to gain his trust. Even, i dare to say that her apparent ultimate sacrifice in God of War 2 to saves Zeus, was also part of her schemes, as maybe Athena already knew that she become an Astral being after died, making that she accept this to become a "higher being", and as bonus, makes that Kratos feels guilt for accidentally causes her demise, to makes him more willing to listen her in God of War 3. But even as Kratos noted, her sudden "change of heart", from protect Zeus to all cost, to be planning his demise, lift red flags to Kratos, making him weary from Athena, even if he was cooperating with her by the time being. And his suspects become true, when Athena want to reclaims the Hope power for herself, leading to that Kratos spoiled her plans to deliver the Hope to the mortals instead, leaving the corrupt goddess with the empty hands, much to her chagrin. Adding the fact that for the events of God of War (2018), Athena was still harboring a grudge in Kratos, showing that possibly her ambitions weren't caused by the Greed evil, but she was always a hungry power goddess, because the Hope power unleashed should purges the evils of Pandora Box, proving that Athena was never an innocent goddess that was corrupted, but she was always a corrupted goddess.
@@hayday344 Yeah. Because Zeus was more open to showcase his negative traits, like paranoid, even before to be corrupted by the Fear evil, like when he ordered that Deimos, the apparent Marked warrior, was banished to Thanatos's domain, out of fear for the Olympus. While that Athena, she was always portrayed like a selfless goddess, that hide better her negative traits, to the point to fooled Kratos for more longer than Zeus, making that he discovered her true intentions for the final parts of the events of God of War 3, while that in the case of Zeus, Kratos started to see his shady intentions since the end of God of War 1, making him less manipulative than Athena in some aspects.
@@hayday344 To be honest, even if she was seemingly nicer than the other gods, i still think that Athena had a personal agenda, even prior to be infected by the Greed evil, because this evils only amplifies the dark sides from their hosts, like the paranoid of Zeus, the grudges of Hades, and the envy of Heracles, as all them already had this negative traits even before to be corrupted by the evils, implying that Athena was already an ambitious goddess, even deep down, that want to overthrow Zeus, though that through cunning than brute force like Ares.
Maybe when a god dies their evil part joins the chaos realm while their good part joins the higher plane of existence, kratos’ bad part is his younger self and the whole Greek thing while his good part is still being explored.
Chaos realm is hell and the place Odin was talking about about things he could never comprehend(And he is apparently all knowing) must be heaven, Gods dwelling place, Athena must be the devil or one of his fallen angels as the devil can mascaraed himself as something good, thats what i am guessing, im probably wrong
This is a good one Kuba, it makes sense, Kratos defies destiny, so he can freely choose who to become, Good or evil, and this all took place in between Norse and Greece, so it’s a vital point in his life. Great attention to detail. 🔥🔥
The makes a lot of sense - although i think it does makes sense that his immortality might have been part of the chaos curse, and the higher plane might pull him in to use the already existing curse
The AllFather ODIN is the best mythological deity & GUNGNIR is the best mythological weapon. Gungnir is 1 of my fav weapons in the GoW series. Its between Gungnir & the Leviathan Axe 🪓
This is all too fascinating. But I’m guessing Athena herself was a vessel since the beginning. When she initially set out to abduct kratos with ares, I somehow think she knew who the marked warrior was supposed to be. Even from a gameplay perspective, Athena was depicted with that neon green color. Athena’s relic in GOS glowed green when near a chest. This sounds extremely silly but just a speculation. Great work btw
So garm was just an ordinary wolf who got transformed into a chaos beast and got really big. Makes sense because of what fenrir is in norse mythology. They could say the same about the big snake that chaises ra the sun god etc.
Could we ever see kratos and atreus face off at the end? I mean if there was ever a god suiting for the chaos realm it would be loki… and with kratos being dedicated to restore order he would be on the side of the higher plane🤔
I see what you're saying but I think it would betray Atrsus' character. The only way I see Atreus fighting Kratos is if he somehow travels back in time to Greece and comes across younger Kratos. But I'm not sure how the writers could pull that off
Hey don't know if you know about this or not, but remember when Kratos and Atreus were in Helheim on the flying ship, and the "replay" of when Kratos was beating up Zeus played in front of Atreus? Not sure if this is connected or not, but the colour of those "replays" is a similar bluish-green to that of the Rift-Mask, the hippos eyes, and athena.
I'm amazed. The level of detail you manage to spot and connect is amazing. Thank you for keeping the hype level for the series at a high level. First time playing Ragnarok and seeing the green rift, in my mind i was like "oh damn is this connected to Athena?". The least i could spot, but all the other detials, man, holy shit!
Thank you lol yeah this whole video if you can believe it was a last minute thing. I was looking for fallen god footage for something else when I noticed the green eyes. And then I went down a rabbit hole lol
I think Kratos needs to get the Assassin’s Creed Revelations treatment. That game, the final one in the Ezio Auditore trilogy of games, wraps up the story of Ezio incredibly well. If GOW 6 gave the end of Kratos’s story anywhere near as much beautifully done closure as Revelations did Ezio’s, then we’re gonna be in for quite the treat!
as always a top tier theory. you never disappoint. coming back to the theory, if the theory turns out to be true then by the time kratos reaches the egyptian pantheon in upcoming gow games, egypt is already gonna be on the brink of desctruction since chaos has already spread there. i feel like with every passing pantheon that the games cover, the whole " plane of existence vs chaos realm " becomes more and more cemented. because the greek games only gave a hint of an higher plane of existence, the norse games introduced a rift which again indicates a different plane of existence. cory in the interviews has mentioned the existence of a whole ass universe beyond earth. so for all we know the epyptian games (assuming theyre gonna be next) will dive deeper into and potentially either show us glimpses of the higher planes or introduce demiurge/his equivalent (whatever they wanna call him). it makes me crazy excited just thinking about it. but i feel like they aged kratos too much for the norse games so i really dont know if he will be able to play through another pantheon or two, unless the studio plans on making atreus the mc (which im not a fan of. i want the greek kratos back 😤).
You have given us a lot to think about. First, I think there are two athenas. One is with thoth in the higher plane trying to help kratos by telling him to return home. And the second is a trick by this entity in the chaos realm. I think when the chaos athena changed the blades of athena into the blades of exile, the blades were cursed to follow the god of war. But for what purpose? Second, chaos is an entity mentioned in Greek mythology. The one whom created the universe. What if chaos wants to unmake the universe by using kratos to cause as much chaos as he can. By killing off the main pantheons of greek, norse and Egyptian myth, it would make way for chaos to take control of creation. Ares might have been nothing but a simple pawn in its schemes. I believe that in the god of war 1 novel, Ares travelled to Egypt and attacked the gods there. He also gave kratos the blades of chaos. Was that chaos at work? Whatever happens, kratos seems to be caught in the middle. He is the embodiment of order and chaos: "In mythical eschatology the origin of the world is reproduced at the end of the world; that is, the process of creating order out of chaos that occurred at the beginning of time occurs again at the end of time". Google search. Perhaps kratos is the catalyst for the end of the world and the beginning of the next. After all, he is death. The destroyer of worlds.
I like this. I would add that Athena not only knew the blades would be useful to Kratos but he would also overcome the curse by embracing the blades and using them to save a life. Which is why the chaos Athena made one last attempt at breaking Kratos before he saved Atreus.
Very good theory, me - as gnostic lover and researcher, this sounds very consciously and connecting dots, i was always looking for something more behind god of war, bcs those archetypes are nonstop with us. Nothing is more satisfying than Kratos beatin Demiurge / Ahriman in their game, which is physical reality.
Kuba lets say athena is on the chaos side trying to get kratos to destroy the earth to create everything from scratch and apollo is on the good side who's helping kratos and has succeeded so far and tyr who's been to greece is working with apollo thats why he invited kratos into Valhalla to clear his mind and make him calm and reasonable and to not get overtaken by his anger
If Loki/Atreus gets his own game, I want it to be him uncovering Athena's overall scheme and discovering secrets about this higher plane of existence. This can lead to a follow up where Kratos and Atreus become the main characters in an overall larger conflict between this higher plane and the chaos realm. I love Kratos but he's not known for his brains. I can't see him uncovering these mysteries, even with help.
Kratos blades were stated by SMS to be made from the primordial goddess chaos and imbued with primordial fire as well. The blades of chaos really have never been fully fleshed out by SMS so hopefully we get some truth to this theory in a later game.
I wish devs could get this creative with stories but it's just Mortal Kombat 11 theories all over again, where we thought we would fight the giant squid and the other titans, Onaga would return etc. and none of that happened. What a shame. But still fun to think about.
For his first curse to not die, in the novels it mentions the immortality curse is set on him due to Gaia. So apparently you are granted immortality if you kill your godly kin.
Good theory. I just played through Ironwood in Ragnarok. Is Utangard linked to this evil world? When Atreus is in the Utangard, the mask is there. However, Utangard was: (from Angrboda herself) Ymir’s dream(s). Is it possible that Ymir knew about the mask back then? Was Ymir a being from the evil world?
I like this theory! This idea of the Chaos Realm/Demiurge being in control would also address a deicide issue the Norse games have in comparison to the Greek saga. In the Greek saga, whenever a god dies, it is this massive spectacle! Ares exploded like an atomic bomb; Athena died sending a sky beam of energy upwards; and all of the gods that died in GOW 3 led to some sort of plague or mass destruction in Greece. But in the Norse games: Baldur dies and some light snow falls (you can argue his death leads directly into Fimbulwinter, yes, but that was a gradual 3-year thing, not instant like the Greek gods -- for example, by comparison, when Poseidon died all of Greece was instantaneously flooded). When Heimdall dies, nothing happens; Thor died, dissolved, and nothing happened; Odin died and nothing happened. In the Norse saga, there is no real immediate external devastation shown from the death of those gods. This always felt like a weird omission to me that breaks canon a bit when it comes to gods being taken off the board and how that affects the world around them. But if this were to connect to your theory, it would make a lot more sense. As the Chaos Realm was the one pulling the strings of many Olympian gods all along (maybe with most of them not even knowing it). And when those gods died it violently severed that connection/puppetry. This could explain why Ares was the one to 'create' and deliver the Blades of Chaos directly to Kratos, kicking off everything that followed. Will be interesting to see where this all goes!
It's a cool Theory especially since the mask and rift was teased and so far hasn't been answered yet but maybe in future God of war games though maybe the rift and mask are there to symbolize wanting answers or whatever your heart desires and having Atreus broke the mask and close the rift shows Atreus rejecting shortcuts to things that'll come at a high price.
By the way there is a Skin named Phantom of CHAOS in God of War 3, its Sus, because of the Name CHAOS, Maybe this has something to do with the Demiurge
Definitely has to be true because when you state that chaos is in Egypt that’s literally the way of Egypt they try to fight against chaos it’s basically the Typhon or Ragnarök of Egypt and also Set/Seth is the Egyptian god of Chaos who pretty much is evil and faces against the other gods and in some myths he is the god of war others he isn’t but very similar and he was very dangerous just like young Kratos so it would be a very good fight to see and it makes sense.
I wonder if the beserkers are part of or related to the chaos realm and maybe the armour is some gift from the chaos realm for kratos in hopes he will cause mayhem with it
I personally find this higher plane of existence theory hilarious, mainly because there's barely any convincing evidence. There are things that correlate with each other, but correlation does not equal causation. At the moment we're looking at correlations, but we don't know whether those correlations are caused by the same thing. For example, we know that there is a correlation between ice cream and sunburns, and if we didn't know any better, we could say ice cream causes sunburn, but we know that they correlate because both happen due to hot weather. With this higher plane of existance theory, we don't know the cause of these correlations yet, so even if it all makes a lot of sense, it could be that they have nothing to do with each other. This green color seems to be very very convincing tho, and it would be crazy if this was just a big coincidence. Regardless I'm all here for it, because it does make a lot of sense, and it could be something that would realistically happen. I just find it funny whenever someone talks about the higher plane of existence because it sounds like such an exxagerated word🤣 Edit: And we also gotta be very careful. Lots of people got disappointed with Ragnarok due to expecting too much. I'm all for theories, but if the games don't end up going anything like the theories, I'm fine with that.
I think the question right now is, will Cory direct the next game? If he does, he most likely will go in this direction and wrap up God Of War in 1 or 2 games. But if hes not directing it, it will likely be another GOW as filler, probably something to do with another pantheon to delay the higher plane of existence arc
How is Athena in the higher plain of existence in the Comic, but then you say that she is from the caos realm??
The one in comics (higher existence) is the real Athena. That's why she cares about Kratos and humanity.
The one from God of War 3 isn't really Athena, it's just an evil being posing as her to get on Kratos' good side.
This evil being has also taken the form of the rift in Ragnnarok and the giants animals from the comics
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you forget garm Is higher existents too died 3 times and inly get finished from atreus puting fenrier soul
@@KaptainKuba So, are we speaking of Lucifer here from Chaos realm? And Kratos, Tyr and one more ( we will find out soon ) are the two of the 3 ''wise man''??
kuba making theories again is so refreshing 🔥🔥🔥
Watch Santa Monica shit on his theory and be like "we just like glowing green" 🤣
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Nah even if this is true I hope they won't say anything 😭
In greece the Chaos Realm started thier plan with Ares. That's how Ares got the blades of Chaos. Ares was the God od War. Who's to say he didn't encourage the barbarians to attack greece in hopes of striking a deal with Kratos.
Yea 100%.. no way santa Monica or even Cory have any "multiple games spanning" lore plans. All these theory videos go way too deep and assume it all to be more complicated than it actually is
5:33 thanatos was right when he told kratos that he was a pawn being played in a game he doesn't even know is being played
It’s a theory that Thanatos was talking about this or breaking the 4th wall about us playing the game but ultimately he may just be referring to the sisters of fate that they are playing his fate and he doesn’t know it. Who knows though because Thanatos is a primordial he’s older and seen more divine stuff than the titans even the gods themselves. We will see if Kratos makes a reference about Thanatos saying that line
@@venjustice6666 yeah I know, just another way of looking at it
So does that mean us as players is canon😨
Im loving the theory crafting about the cosmology of god of war. The dimensionality of the different pantheons on earth and their possible connection to gnosticism. Just imagine the final God of War game, Kratos eith all of his allies and the gods of good vs all his enemies and the gods of chaos.
Yeah at this point is a lot of fan fiction but there's definitely something there
@@KaptainKuba yeah, the likelihood of this stuff actually happening like on some Mortal Kombat Armageddon type of thing.... Not really likely but God damnit I have hope 🙏🏾😭
Can I just say real quick, you’re awesome Kuba. Not only do I love your content, but also of course sharing in a subject I love as well, anything God of War. But also you’re a huge inspiration and source of motivation of trying to do RUclips as well. Love you man
6:00 That phrase reminded me of a talk in GOWR, when Kratos tells his son that even objects that may be "despicable" to him can be useful, which is why Kratos prefers to take advantage of the Blades of Chaos; since, in any case, they will never abandon him. Once again, thanks for your work buddy 10/10
"ATHENA!! YOU WILL SUFFER FO-
oh shit, that's not Athena. I NEED MY WEED. ZOOOOOOOS!!! WHERE IS MY WEEEEEEEEEEEED?!?!?!?"
Also this theory I genuinely believe is game changing. Our boy Kuba is cooking hard
It is destroyed Kratos ALONG WITH ALL OF GREECE YOU MOTHER F#####
Didn’t notice this detail from Fallen God, sick analysis Kaptain🔥
I don't think anyone did because it was only the second time we had seen the color green. But with God of War 3 (Athena) fallen god (giant animals) and Ragnnarok (rift) it becomes a pattern.
If they had released the comics after Ragnnarok everyone would have noticed
This is amazing I love higher plane of existence theory’s, also something to think about is, Athena showed up right when kratos had to pick up the blades again, also when that red vortex showed up above kratos house, I know Matt sophos said it was all in his mind and she wasn’t there, but like you said in your previous video.. he said that in 2018 they could’ve changed the meaning of that scene where she actually is there, it would honestly make more since for her to be real there now. Writers minds change all the time.
Man I didn't pick up on that even tho I used the clip in the video lol but yeah I think they're gonna retcon that scene later on
The blades of chaos follow Kratos because he pledged his soul to Ares and the blades are now a part of Kratos no matter what he does to them. And then with the evil Athena you gotta remember Pandora’s box was opened and even Helios said “it turned all the gods insane” (not EXACTLY what he said but its the important part that I remember)
But that doesn’t explain why the blades didn’t return to him in god of war 2 and 3. Athena also wasn’t affected by the box in the other games before 3.
7:30..........that part slipped my mind!
you remember when kratos stabbed himself with the blade of olympus in the end of GOW3 . i think athena quoted this to gods of higher existence " that was meant for me, they will not know what to do with it" and then she said " you disappoint me spartan". and then he didn't die . because he changed for good . and then i think his immortality is not a curse but a blessing from higher existance as he changed from evil to good and can be useful to gods in future
you can't determine 'change' - because 'change' is an abstract or a paradoxical concept by nature.
it alludes to the 'idea of change' and how that gets determined but in actuality, that gets contradicted because of nature not being able to determine actual 'change' - so with that notion within the Human Genome into bringing 'corruption' in regards to Higher Power alluding to change because of the 'Higher Power' - then you can't determine the 'change' because of Humans setting a higher power in general such as taking over lands, creating profit for the sake of profit etc.
now it's where 'Redemption' comes along, and it is a form of 'change' - since you can't determine the idea of change within someone or anything by nature considering how it's contradictory by not being able to fight 'nature' within yourself as a human being...
despite this, that doesn't mean you can't 'alter' to what's already inside of you and so for someone such as Kratos, his 'Redemption' isn't a thing to be determined with an idea of 'change' because it was always a built up thing for him that circumnavigated it's way into towards where Kratos was shaped into the circumstances that he was given and chose to abide and revel in it...
also, thats a very one-noted stance that you have there in regards to Kratos being apparently 'eV_I' then 'changed' - to 'GuD' - there's no proof that Kratos sacrificed himself for Humanity, also this one-noted and generic dilemma between the realms in GoW as how this video suggested is really underwhelming...
the whole dilemma of 'Good & E_iL' is stemmed from a subset of an idea that fixates on trying to give out 'meaning' onto Humanity, when in actuality goes against the very nature of what it means to be 'Human' - and instead forms a set of standards that gets objectified in truth of what a Human is supposed to be as and what it shouldn't be as...
its simply allegorical and paradoxical by nature of this subset of an idea that has garnered over Human history; primarily in the Modern Era after the 19th or 20th century especially after the WW's...
edit: 'Morality' as a concept also plays a major role of this, but i kinda forgot to intertwine with what I've elaborated.
How is forever having to deal with your terrible actions and guilt a “blessing” even Persephone said “your *suffering* will never end, Ghost of Sparta”
@@Magmaticin maybe not for him.
just a thought brother.
I feel like Athena could become an awesome character to flesh out with the way the games have been incorporating so much amazing storytelling. Athena is a war goddess but also knowledge, I feel like seeing the duality there could make for an awesome character dichotomy and maybe explain why she is somewhat “set apart” from the other godly entities
That's honestly a good theory bro, good work👊🔥
After GOWRs disconnect to GOW 18 setups I learned the hard way not to not get too attached to implied plot lines, shit's too heartbreaking.
I'm almost certain the horn blower plot is just remnants of the abandoned Trilogy storyline.
Yea there are a few plotlines from 2018 that were forgotten or dropped in Ragnarök.. it's like the devs didn't care much about the side plotlines and only wanted to wrap up the main plot.
@@fire-typhoon123 I wouldn’t say they didn’t care, they definitely do. I feel though SMS were too ambitious with the setups and after GOW 2018 released the reality of being chained to 1 story for 10-12 years wasn’t appealing for them. Understandable but it sucks that the story quality had to take dip for it.
I bet it was Sweet Baby Inc.
But it doesn't explain why they rushed Ragnarok into a Duology.
Woah, absolutely amazing theory! That's insane how you noticed that green eyes in the comic and connected it, it really is makes a lot of sense. That detail in particular is very, very cool, thanks for sharing.
Love all these videos you make about the GOW series. But if this is how the story is being crafted, I wonder how many people at Santa Monica know about the over arching story, especially so many different people join and leave the studio over so many multiple games. And nobody ever talked about it anywhere.
Amazing video. Needs more recognition. I can't wait for the following games and what they will introduce.
Who ever blew the horn, it gotta be someone that not a friend with Odin and speaks that Archaic language.
And if we ruled out the possibility of time travel, the list is too short, you know...
Too bad it remains a mystery.
Cory said he will eventually get around to answering it
If you ask me, they genuinely forgot about it and now have to find a way to make it work again
In the original script, it was supposed to be baldur who blew the horn.. and since we don't have any concrete evidence to suggest otherwise, I'd say it was baldur.
@@fire-typhoon123 remember how baldur managed to hurt the big snake?
@@KaptainKubait could've been the chaos realm getting someone to do that to cause chaos with jormungandr also adding stress to kratos' already Stressful situation making the chaos realm come closer to making kratos cause chaos again
Great video dude - love this theory crafting
Thanks man. It means the world that you watch my stuff
absolute banger of a video got my mind racing rn there is so many points that just make sense... this is why your the king of the realms Kuba
everything is just starting to fall right into place before you know it we will have all the answers in the world haha
Damn this is a really cool theory and quite plausible, good job Kuba 👍
That makes sense. But you missed something. The Chaos beasts aren't some random animals. They are supposed to be Behemoth and Leviathan from the Bible. Behemoth (mainly portrayed as giant hippopotamus) is the unconquerable male land-monster, living in an invisible desert (Duidain) east of the Garden of Eden, and Leviathan is the primeval female sea-monster (mainly portrayed as giant crocodile). This gives this comic book even more depth now, when Kratos is capable of defeating those symbols of invincibility.
Kratos next mission: i'm here to kill chaos! LoL🤣🤣
Kratos will never be as cool as Jack Garland
God of War 6 : Chaos and Order
When Atreus goes to find the Giants he comes across a rift. He hears his kins trapped inside it. So he does his best to free them.He need the help of his father and Kratos happily agrees on. But as time passes by, Kratos gets more and more suspicious of this so called rift. So then the 2 are gonna argue about situation and at the end, Atreus gets to free the trapped giants, but he soon finds out that he was deceived. The thing he unleashed is a lot different and worse than that. And now they have to stop it to save the world meanwhile the corrupted egypt gods are gonna follow the chaos's orders and it's got to be Team Kratos (order) vs Team Chaos
That would be sick
I like that! Of course there would need to be more to the story but it's an interesting premise
I have a theory to add, what if garm was a normal sized wolf who was also possesed by the green chaos thing and that atreus and angrboda put a giants soul in it to make it peaceful but instead it grew bigger continuing causing chaos, that would be a good reason why the mask glew green when atreus pointed it at garm in helheim, and him along with tyr would probably lock him in helheim and tyr would loose his arm (he said he lost his arm when chaining garm in valhalla i think), at the end of the game atreus doesn't meet the real tyr so maybe the real tyr and loki met if loki and angrboda went back in time
This is the 3rd time I finish all your higher plane of existence videos and damn, they're still mind blowing. Can't wait to see what Santa Monica have in mind
I can’t wait for the Egyptian saga. Chaos vs order is a major theme in those stories. So I think we’ll definitely see the greater chaos realm and greater forces of chaos fleshed out
Yeah it's definitely gonna happen
@@KaptainKuba they can make the egyptian pantheon the tunnel to that. Maybe they are more advanced as gods, and like Mimir said they are more "neutral" and have already balanced these 2 sides in the past and that is the reason of the neutrality. Maybe they have a passage already to the higher realm of existence. And that explains the presence of Thoth.
Chaos vs Order is a big thing in Norse Mythology aswell. Look what they did with it.
Hey kaptain i think the “who blew the horn” is not so important, but more important “why the horn was blown”
Oh I agree, but answering who blew it could tell us why 😉
Who blew the horn is very important because it can only be someone who speaks Jormi's dead language. It HAS to be a giant
I'll do one better: WHERE the horn was blown?
This might be your best video yet. You really on your Sherlock Holmes shit
Lol I'm glad you liked it
Sounds like a good idea for an overarching story. Plus it seems plausible, order and chaos has always been a big theme.
Exactly! We're really close to getting the higher plane baby!
The Green eyes thing remind me of how The Hylden demons from legacy of Kain Possess and control their enemies to do their bidding
Damn i gotta play those games
@@KaptainKuba you absolutely do trust me you won't regret it
These new thumbnail u been doing are quite eye catching
Thank you! I stopped doing them and my wife has taken over that department lol
So Green Athena gave the Blades of Exile, so that Kratos can destroy Greece, fullfilling Chaos Realm's Goal.
No, at the time she gave them the blades of exile because she didn't think he needed the blades of chaos. Because he had already set his mind on destroying Greece. The blades of chaos came later when Kratos started to change his ways. At least that's my interpretation
@@KaptainKuba yeah, that makes sense.
Blades of chaos being a curse on Kratos at all time
Athena's shade made Kratos Blades of Exile to let him destroy Greece
After everything ended,Kratos got back his blades in fallen god
Maybe the blades were just reimaginated to these from chaos realm.
What if the chaos realm now stops trying to control Kratos, since he has turned ‘good’. What if the chaos realm now starts whispering in the ear of Atreus (aka Loki)? Try to turn him to the bad side, promise false info about the giants or something. This would also be more lore accurate for his character (I personally wouldn’t call Loki bad, but I think complicated is a better word).
This would make Atreus his character a bit more complex. Also if he does turn evil, and Kratos must intervene, imagine what fireworks that would give.
This is a good one
Damn, seeing this video got me more into thinking about the higher plane of existence and the chaos realm a lot more than before. Now I really want to see how the two realms will impact the next pantheon where Kratos and Atreus go to.
Edit: I had a thought just then. If Egypt is where God of War 6 will be, then maybe that since there are two kings of the gods depicted, Amun and Ra, i was thinking maybe one king would be on the side of order, while the other would be fallen into the side of chaos. Maybe eventually in the egyptian story, they could fuse into Amun Ra as well (As Kuba mentioned in his 10 gods Kratos should fear video).
I'm so glad the video did its job. Hopefully I'm right and they start to introduce it in the next game
Emerald Tablets , that’s what’s in the rift along with “the higher plane of existence “.
Who blew the horn is a question of the ages. That only Cory Barlog knows.
It's legit one of the things I was most disappointed about with Ragnarok lol, they never so much as bring it up again lmao
Same here.
I was the one who blew the horn 😂
One day we will all know
I think Jörm blew the horn
Hey Kuba, brilliant theory! , my favourite so far. I have a few other distracting questions and thoughts bear with me, Athena's death in the OG series could have been part of her plan and even her form in the higher plane of existence could be a ruse. Also are we not falsely assuming the chaos realm is evil? If I've learnt anything from this series is that things are not always what they seem. The Egyptian god Thoth and Athena may appear to have good intentions in the higher plane but again we've learnt with gods in this series, using their power to control Kratos is often more out of selfishness and self interest than a desire to help him grow and be better. Based on your theory I would expand on it by highlighting that I think the fallen god comic lends itself to these other interpretations especially considering how the series has evolved thematically and emotionally, maybe order and chaos are both necessary. Maybe both realms are essential. Maybe not. I'm curious where SM will go but I have a feeling you've touched on a lot of what the story David Jaffe originally wanted to tell or direction he wanted to go with Kratos and with this theory I think we'll see an altered form of this be explored in the next game or 2. Great stuff man!
itd be so terrifying to realize that Athena, one of Kratos' manipulators, actually ascended to a higher plane of existence. Also it was Baldur who blew the horn.
i wish cory barlog would just tell us who blew the horn.
also it makes me wonder... WHO is the evil entity in the chaos realm? or what... 😬😬
I mean, it could be chaos themselves. Being bound to the blades of chaos could have their destinies intertwined
To be honest, i always though that Athena was the true main antagonist and master-mind, behind all the events of the original trilogy.
Because if you analyzes it, Athena was always influencing and molding Kratos to her need during the games, adding that Athena showed be far more manipulative than Ares, Zeus or Gaia, to always act like a "moral compass" for Kratos, as manner to gain his trust.
Even, i dare to say that her apparent ultimate sacrifice in God of War 2 to saves Zeus, was also part of her schemes, as maybe Athena already knew that she become an Astral being after died, making that she accept this to become a "higher being", and as bonus, makes that Kratos feels guilt for accidentally causes her demise, to makes him more willing to listen her in God of War 3.
But even as Kratos noted, her sudden "change of heart", from protect Zeus to all cost, to be planning his demise, lift red flags to Kratos, making him weary from Athena, even if he was cooperating with her by the time being.
And his suspects become true, when Athena want to reclaims the Hope power for herself, leading to that Kratos spoiled her plans to deliver the Hope to the mortals instead, leaving the corrupt goddess with the empty hands, much to her chagrin.
Adding the fact that for the events of God of War (2018), Athena was still harboring a grudge in Kratos, showing that possibly her ambitions weren't caused by the Greed evil, but she was always a hungry power goddess, because the Hope power unleashed should purges the evils of Pandora Box, proving that Athena was never an innocent goddess that was corrupted, but she was always a corrupted goddess.
far more manipulating than Zeus, are you serious?
@@hayday344 Yeah. Because Zeus was more open to showcase his negative traits, like paranoid, even before to be corrupted by the Fear evil, like when he ordered that Deimos, the apparent Marked warrior, was banished to Thanatos's domain, out of fear for the Olympus.
While that Athena, she was always portrayed like a selfless goddess, that hide better her negative traits, to the point to fooled Kratos for more longer than Zeus, making that he discovered her true intentions for the final parts of the events of God of War 3, while that in the case of Zeus, Kratos started to see his shady intentions since the end of God of War 1, making him less manipulative than Athena in some aspects.
@@josecuestas7246 what hiding? That was her true personality, the game tells you her personality had changed after corruption.
@@hayday344 To be honest, even if she was seemingly nicer than the other gods, i still think that Athena had a personal agenda, even prior to be infected by the Greed evil, because this evils only amplifies the dark sides from their hosts, like the paranoid of Zeus, the grudges of Hades, and the envy of Heracles, as all them already had this negative traits even before to be corrupted by the evils, implying that Athena was already an ambitious goddess, even deep down, that want to overthrow Zeus, though that through cunning than brute force like Ares.
Maybe when a god dies their evil part joins the chaos realm while their good part joins the higher plane of existence, kratos’ bad part is his younger self and the whole Greek thing while his good part is still being explored.
Somewhere out there, the trio of Artemis, Apollo and Aphrodite are chilling and grateful that they never fucked around with Kratos.
One them did fucked around with Kratos 😅
This is the true catalyst for all future theories, great work bro
Thank you bro
For one thing, whoever blew the horn simply HAS to be a giant otherwise they couldn't talk to the serpent
Chaos realm is hell and the place Odin was talking about about things he could never comprehend(And he is apparently all knowing) must be heaven, Gods dwelling place, Athena must be the devil or one of his fallen angels as the devil can mascaraed himself as something good, thats what i am guessing, im probably wrong
Great theory all the “gods” are angels who now must choose to follow either the devil or God
@@wolfsbanealphas617 oh it don't work that way with fallen angels bud
This is a good one Kuba, it makes sense, Kratos defies destiny, so he can freely choose who to become, Good or evil, and this all took place in between Norse and Greece, so it’s a vital point in his life. Great attention to detail. 🔥🔥
The makes a lot of sense - although i think it does makes sense that his immortality might have been part of the chaos curse, and the higher plane might pull him in to use the already existing curse
Yeah that could be the case. I'm sure some details will be wrong. But I am certain that there are two factions watching over the human world
The AllFather ODIN is the best mythological deity & GUNGNIR is the best mythological weapon. Gungnir is 1 of my fav weapons in the GoW series. Its between Gungnir & the Leviathan Axe 🪓
It would be baller for athena to show up in front of kratos while hes doing stuff and hit him with the "its been a while"
The berserker king in God of war ragnorak also glows green
Actually in the concept art of atreus we have an evil version where he puts on the mask and his appearance have green glows
This is all too fascinating. But I’m guessing Athena herself was a vessel since the beginning. When she initially set out to abduct kratos with ares, I somehow think she knew who the marked warrior was supposed to be. Even from a gameplay perspective, Athena was depicted with that neon green color. Athena’s relic in GOS glowed green when near a chest. This sounds extremely silly but just a speculation. Great work btw
1:43 stuff like this kuba makes you the gow RUclipsr goat this very interesting ,
Thank you bro! 🥹
So garm was just an ordinary wolf who got transformed into a chaos beast and got really big. Makes sense because of what fenrir is in norse mythology. They could say the same about the big snake that chaises ra the sun god etc.
Could we ever see kratos and atreus face off at the end? I mean if there was ever a god suiting for the chaos realm it would be loki… and with kratos being dedicated to restore order he would be on the side of the higher plane🤔
I see what you're saying but I think it would betray Atrsus' character. The only way I see Atreus fighting Kratos is if he somehow travels back in time to Greece and comes across younger Kratos. But I'm not sure how the writers could pull that off
@@KaptainKuba yeah i agree with you, but you never know how Atreus might grow up. Loki from mythology sounds like a perfect fit for the chaos realm
@@KaptainKubaAtreus will die if that happens. 😂😂
Hey don't know if you know about this or not, but remember when Kratos and Atreus were in Helheim on the flying ship, and the "replay" of when Kratos was beating up Zeus played in front of Atreus? Not sure if this is connected or not, but the colour of those "replays" is a similar bluish-green to that of the Rift-Mask, the hippos eyes, and athena.
This gotta be one of the best theories ever
Well thank you kind sir
The hilt fights from GOW: Ragnarock have a lot of glowing green as well
I'm amazed. The level of detail you manage to spot and connect is amazing. Thank you for keeping the hype level for the series at a high level. First time playing Ragnarok and seeing the green rift, in my mind i was like "oh damn is this connected to Athena?". The least i could spot, but all the other detials, man, holy shit!
Thank you lol yeah this whole video if you can believe it was a last minute thing. I was looking for fallen god footage for something else when I noticed the green eyes. And then I went down a rabbit hole lol
The rift and Odin seems to have similar relation to shade of Athena and the power Kratos sent back to the world by stabbing himself
Atreus might be the next "tool" for the Chaos Realm, since he is the god of mischief after all
Athena will definitely become the true last boss for Kratos. She is one of the hugest reasons why he suffered so much.
Well I think the real Athena went to the Higher Plane. But I do think the evil entity will take her for like in God of War 3.
Yes she was soo cruel to the poor man kratos...
@KaptainKuba athena sucks as a pretending caretaker of humans
What about the scene with athena in 2018? The green glow is there. And athena tries to get into kratos' mind and the world was also in chaos.
I think Kratos needs to get the Assassin’s Creed Revelations treatment. That game, the final one in the Ezio Auditore trilogy of games, wraps up the story of Ezio incredibly well. If GOW 6 gave the end of Kratos’s story anywhere near as much beautifully done closure as Revelations did Ezio’s, then we’re gonna be in for quite the treat!
as always a top tier theory. you never disappoint.
coming back to the theory, if the theory turns out to be true then by the time kratos reaches the egyptian pantheon in upcoming gow games, egypt is already gonna be on the brink of desctruction since chaos has already spread there. i feel like with every passing pantheon that the games cover, the whole " plane of existence vs chaos realm " becomes more and more cemented. because the greek games only gave a hint of an higher plane of existence, the norse games introduced a rift which again indicates a different plane of existence. cory in the interviews has mentioned the existence of a whole ass universe beyond earth. so for all we know the epyptian games (assuming theyre gonna be next) will dive deeper into and potentially either show us glimpses of the higher planes or introduce demiurge/his equivalent (whatever they wanna call him).
it makes me crazy excited just thinking about it. but i feel like they aged kratos too much for the norse games so i really dont know if he will be able to play through another pantheon or two, unless the studio plans on making atreus the mc (which im not a fan of. i want the greek kratos back 😤).
You have given us a lot to think about.
First, I think there are two athenas. One is with thoth in the higher plane trying to help kratos by telling him to return home. And the second is a trick by this entity in the chaos realm. I think when the chaos athena changed the blades of athena into the blades of exile, the blades were cursed to follow the god of war. But for what purpose?
Second, chaos is an entity mentioned in Greek mythology. The one whom created the universe. What if chaos wants to unmake the universe by using kratos to cause as much chaos as he can. By killing off the main pantheons of greek, norse and Egyptian myth, it would make way for chaos to take control of creation. Ares might have been nothing but a simple pawn in its schemes. I believe that in the god of war 1 novel, Ares travelled to Egypt and attacked the gods there. He also gave kratos the blades of chaos. Was that chaos at work?
Whatever happens, kratos seems to be caught in the middle. He is the embodiment of order and chaos:
"In mythical eschatology the origin of the world is reproduced at the end of the world; that is, the process of creating order out of chaos that occurred at the beginning of time occurs again at the end of time". Google search.
Perhaps kratos is the catalyst for the end of the world and the beginning of the next. After all, he is death. The destroyer of worlds.
I like this. I would add that Athena not only knew the blades would be useful to Kratos but he would also overcome the curse by embracing the blades and using them to save a life. Which is why the chaos Athena made one last attempt at breaking Kratos before he saved Atreus.
You are awesome Man ,you are the best
Which could also explain the whole blades of exile plothole. Makes sense. Chaos realm and Blades of Chaos.
Very good theory, me - as gnostic lover and researcher, this sounds very consciously and connecting dots, i was always looking for something more behind god of war, bcs those archetypes are nonstop with us. Nothing is more satisfying than Kratos beatin Demiurge / Ahriman in their game, which is physical reality.
Kuba lets say athena is on the chaos side trying to get kratos to destroy the earth to create everything from scratch and apollo is on the good side who's helping kratos and has succeeded so far and tyr who's been to greece is working with apollo thats why he invited kratos into Valhalla to clear his mind and make him calm and reasonable and to not get overtaken by his anger
If Loki/Atreus gets his own game, I want it to be him uncovering Athena's overall scheme and discovering secrets about this higher plane of existence.
This can lead to a follow up where Kratos and Atreus become the main characters in an overall larger conflict between this higher plane and the chaos realm.
I love Kratos but he's not known for his brains. I can't see him uncovering these mysteries, even with help.
The mysterious rift always looked at lot like one of Fenrirs tears, it even sounds similar
Kratos blades were stated by SMS to be made from the primordial goddess chaos and imbued with primordial fire as well. The blades of chaos really have never been fully fleshed out by SMS so hopefully we get some truth to this theory in a later game.
Is it possible that we might get introduced to the Hp lovecraft mythos considering that these ancient gods embody chaos
The green glow is probably the way they will tie in the next mythology with this one
I wish devs could get this creative with stories but it's just Mortal Kombat 11 theories all over again, where we thought we would fight the giant squid and the other titans, Onaga would return etc. and none of that happened. What a shame. But still fun to think about.
For his first curse to not die, in the novels it mentions the immortality curse is set on him due to Gaia. So apparently you are granted immortality if you kill your godly kin.
Kuba never fails to make me uncontrollably hyped for future gow games lmao 🙌🏻
I like to imagine when kratos said “i am your monster no longer” it got rid of athena
Does this mean that Thor is with Athena and Thoth on the higher plane now, getting ready to help with the fight against Chaos?
One of the best theories you’ve made CAPTAIN 👨✈️
Good theory. I just played through Ironwood in Ragnarok. Is Utangard linked to this evil world? When Atreus is in the Utangard, the mask is there. However, Utangard was: (from Angrboda herself) Ymir’s dream(s). Is it possible that Ymir knew about the mask back then? Was Ymir a being from the evil world?
I like this theory! This idea of the Chaos Realm/Demiurge being in control would also address a deicide issue the Norse games have in comparison to the Greek saga.
In the Greek saga, whenever a god dies, it is this massive spectacle! Ares exploded like an atomic bomb; Athena died sending a sky beam of energy upwards; and all of the gods that died in GOW 3 led to some sort of plague or mass destruction in Greece. But in the Norse games: Baldur dies and some light snow falls (you can argue his death leads directly into Fimbulwinter, yes, but that was a gradual 3-year thing, not instant like the Greek gods -- for example, by comparison, when Poseidon died all of Greece was instantaneously flooded). When Heimdall dies, nothing happens; Thor died, dissolved, and nothing happened; Odin died and nothing happened. In the Norse saga, there is no real immediate external devastation shown from the death of those gods. This always felt like a weird omission to me that breaks canon a bit when it comes to gods being taken off the board and how that affects the world around them.
But if this were to connect to your theory, it would make a lot more sense. As the Chaos Realm was the one pulling the strings of many Olympian gods all along (maybe with most of them not even knowing it). And when those gods died it violently severed that connection/puppetry. This could explain why Ares was the one to 'create' and deliver the Blades of Chaos directly to Kratos, kicking off everything that followed.
Will be interesting to see where this all goes!
Ngl Odin and Zeus meeting sounds interesting to me, would like to see how it goes if they ever do crossover pantheons like that
Man i just wanna see deimos again, i just want him to be what kratos is but in other dimensions or mythology.
I wonder if Odin ravens have to do anything with this too. The ones we destroy are also that weird green color
Athena blew the horn. Come back here to thank me once gow 6 drops
Maybe, it could also be Atreus
@@KaptainKuba Maybe that was really Athena, maybe she can speak many languages and communicate with creatures, as well as other beings.
It's a cool Theory especially since the mask and rift was teased and so far hasn't been answered yet but maybe in future God of war games though maybe the rift and mask are there to symbolize wanting answers or whatever your heart desires and having Atreus broke the mask and close the rift shows Atreus rejecting shortcuts to things that'll come at a high price.
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It looks like cooking with Kaptain Kuba arrived a little earlier
By the way there is a Skin named Phantom of CHAOS in God of War 3, its Sus, because of the Name CHAOS, Maybe this has something to do with the Demiurge
Definitely has to be true because when you state that chaos is in Egypt that’s literally the way of Egypt they try to fight against chaos it’s basically the Typhon or Ragnarök of Egypt and also Set/Seth is the Egyptian god of Chaos who pretty much is evil and faces against the other gods and in some myths he is the god of war others he isn’t but very similar and he was very dangerous just like young Kratos so it would be a very good fight to see and it makes sense.
I wonder if the beserkers are part of or related to the chaos realm and maybe the armour is some gift from the chaos realm for kratos in hopes he will cause mayhem with it
Do a video on why Achilles wasn’t a demigod in the original trilogy!! They missed out on a good one!! Would’ve loved to of fought him
Wow you got it Kuba good theory you caught it
I personally find this higher plane of existence theory hilarious, mainly because there's barely any convincing evidence. There are things that correlate with each other, but correlation does not equal causation. At the moment we're looking at correlations, but we don't know whether those correlations are caused by the same thing.
For example, we know that there is a correlation between ice cream and sunburns, and if we didn't know any better, we could say ice cream causes sunburn, but we know that they correlate because both happen due to hot weather.
With this higher plane of existance theory, we don't know the cause of these correlations yet, so even if it all makes a lot of sense, it could be that they have nothing to do with each other. This green color seems to be very very convincing tho, and it would be crazy if this was just a big coincidence.
Regardless I'm all here for it, because it does make a lot of sense, and it could be something that would realistically happen. I just find it funny whenever someone talks about the higher plane of existence because it sounds like such an exxagerated word🤣
Edit: And we also gotta be very careful. Lots of people got disappointed with Ragnarok due to expecting too much. I'm all for theories, but if the games don't end up going anything like the theories, I'm fine with that.
I think Brok or Sindri blew the horn. I imagine them being like "what does this do?"
I think the question right now is, will Cory direct the next game? If he does, he most likely will go in this direction and wrap up God Of War in 1 or 2 games. But if hes not directing it, it will likely be another GOW as filler, probably something to do with another pantheon to delay the higher plane of existence arc
Well, Athena is a goddess of warfare also, so it would make sense to use her as an antagonist eventually