The point of a carbon barrel is not to be lighter than typical lightweight steel hunting barrels. The purpose of a carbon barrel is to provide all the benefits of a heavy contour barrel while not being as heavy as said heavy steel barrels. Thats why for example your tikka with a thin hunting profile STEEL barrel will weigh about the same as a tikka with a heavy contour CARBON barrel.
The extractor on these is a sliding gate extractor certainly not a Sako style or an M16 style which are also two totally different extractor types...I do like the rifle but the deal breaker for me is the qd cups, I do a lot of hiking when i hunt and i like to carry my rifle in a more traditional over the shoulder carry which would make qd swivel studs mounted in the traditional spots a much better option for me
ive been wondering about that as well with the qd flush cup fad. They are almost always on the side due to how they have to mounted into interior aluminum plate. You of course can carry the rifle on your shoulder with it being sideways but it would always have to be on left side of the rifle (for a right handed gun) to keep the bolt from jabbing you in the back. But then if its sideways, how is it going to ride when you also have a backpack on (like most of us hunting in the rocky mountains)?? I worry that the scope will get snagged on your backpack or the pack will constantly be trying to push it off your shoulder. Maybe if there are cups on both sides you could get a sling that hooks to both sides? I would have to try it out first
I have been shooting 20 to 30 shot groups and have been a little frustrated with the accuracy. I decided to shoot quite a few 3 shot groups to see if it really did live up to the guarantee. I ended up shooting 16 different groups. Some factory and some handloads. Only two of those groups were over 3/4”. A .895” and a 1.006” were my two worst. Anyway that’s pretty solid.
So it’s just a regular floor plate? I was thinking it was like the browning a bolts which had a detachable mag that clipped into the floor plate, which in my opinion is the best design ever.
The point of this rifle is to be a traditional hunting rifle with classic ergonomics. As was stated earlier if you like the modern features just buy the 2020 waypoint 👍
@@TheCodyO: You're right! When I jumped in, this rifle wasn't available in long action. I bought a 338 WM Savage & sent it off for mods. I'm still happy with it but it's always nice to get the factory solution.
What do you mean when you say it is an MOA scope and 2nd focal plane which makes is impossible to measure? Thats's all I use and don't have that problem.
@@jamessammann9183 I understand all that and how they work. I have shot both. I don't understand why he says it's impossible to measure. I have no problem measuring with a second focal plane scope in MOA. At the distances I'm concerned with, I'll always be at max power anyhow. I believe the only place where a first focal plane scope would offer an advantage is in PRS.
@@hiflyinhawaiin find what works for you shot second focal 25 years and first 15 i.dont like second for long rage but awsome for hunting ..u can use a ffp better to range distance easier but i.use a range finder
Am I the only one who thinks 2020 is a dumb name for the rifle? That was a terrible year.
Have you heard of the 1873 the M1903 tradition of year released
I like the original stock design, but they are not for everybody. Good for springfield for continuing to develop their product line.
It is strange that it still weighs 7 pounds with carbon stock and barrel. My Tikka roughtech with no carbon weighs 7lbs.
The point of a carbon barrel is not to be lighter than typical lightweight steel hunting barrels. The purpose of a carbon barrel is to provide all the benefits of a heavy contour barrel while not being as heavy as said heavy steel barrels. Thats why for example your tikka with a thin hunting profile STEEL barrel will weigh about the same as a tikka with a heavy contour CARBON barrel.
@ddgslegs4516 I've never heard it explained that way. Makes total sense.
@@fattigla yessir 👍
Good job im getting .30 groups out of both my rem long range
The extractor on these is a sliding gate extractor certainly not a Sako style or an M16 style which are also two totally different extractor types...I do like the rifle but the deal breaker for me is the qd cups, I do a lot of hiking when i hunt and i like to carry my rifle in a more traditional over the shoulder carry which would make qd swivel studs mounted in the traditional spots a much better option for me
ive been wondering about that as well with the qd flush cup fad. They are almost always on the side due to how they have to mounted into interior aluminum plate. You of course can carry the rifle on your shoulder with it being sideways but it would always have to be on left side of the rifle (for a right handed gun) to keep the bolt from jabbing you in the back. But then if its sideways, how is it going to ride when you also have a backpack on (like most of us hunting in the rocky mountains)?? I worry that the scope will get snagged on your backpack or the pack will constantly be trying to push it off your shoulder. Maybe if there are cups on both sides you could get a sling that hooks to both sides? I would have to try it out first
I just wish that it didn't have a 90 degree bolt throw
Silencers on hunting rifles are gay. The only caliber they should be allowed on is 6.5 manbun.
Some hunters like hearing stuff. If that makes you think gay then you probably are lol.
😂😂
😂😂😂...Agreed!
Any way you can get us the length of the internal magazine box?
I wonder if Springfield sent the matching top to go with the rifle.😊
Mine are 26 inch and 3000 fps 175
I have been shooting 20 to 30 shot groups and have been a little frustrated with the accuracy. I decided to shoot quite a few 3 shot groups to see if it really did live up to the guarantee. I ended up shooting 16 different groups. Some factory and some handloads. Only two of those groups were over 3/4”. A .895” and a 1.006” were my two worst. Anyway that’s pretty solid.
My biggest issue with the rifle is that the bolt doesn’t lock closed with the safety on. For a USD 2,600 rifle, I expect that feature.
So it’s just a regular floor plate? I was thinking it was like the browning a bolts which had a detachable mag that clipped into the floor plate, which in my opinion is the best design ever.
I really like my Waypoint but this fixes everything I don’t like about it. Except that terrible muzzle break. That thing definitely sucks.
I'm getting the 300 prc if I can ever find one in stock locally
I got one yesterday in .300 prc & it loves the 205 gr Berger hybrids
@@byronhusband7479 that's awesome
Hate those types of brakes!! A cheap one off of ebay would've work better
Much better looking and lighter gun than the first model. With a common thread on the barrel a better designed muzzle brake could be installed.
Too bad it doesn't accommodate a DBM. First thing to do is get the bottom metal replaced to accept an AICS mag.
Gross. No thanks.
Buy the waypoint then
The point of this rifle is to be a traditional hunting rifle with classic ergonomics. As was stated earlier if you like the modern features just buy the 2020 waypoint 👍
@@TheCodyO:
You're right! When I jumped in, this rifle wasn't available in long action. I bought a 338 WM Savage & sent it off for mods. I'm still happy with it but it's always nice to get the factory solution.
What is the camo pattern on your shirt? Is it Eberlestock mountain?
What do you mean when you say it is an MOA scope and 2nd focal plane which makes is impossible to measure? Thats's all I use and don't have that problem.
@@hiflyinhawaiin ffp hits same spot any power you can do yardage on.second fp u can't got sub tenisin on.full and half power..ffp is way better
@@jamessammann9183 I understand all that and how they work. I have shot both. I don't understand why he says it's impossible to measure. I have no problem measuring with a second focal plane scope in MOA. At the distances I'm concerned with, I'll always be at max power anyhow. I believe the only place where a first focal plane scope would offer an advantage is in PRS.
@@hiflyinhawaiin find what works for you shot second focal 25 years and first 15 i.dont like second for long rage but awsome for hunting ..u can use a ffp better to range distance easier but i.use a range finder
Junk
The only tink i did nor like about the waypoint 2020 is the limited calibers
Look again. It has a lot more caliber options than it last year.
@@TheCodyO I got the christensen ridgeline .. really happy with it