THIS is how you do a comparison, not 30 minutes of bad shooting to talk about accuracy. It was really nice to hear all the points that matter in the rifles and what the differences were. I appreciate your insight, thank you.
yeah, bought the waypoint. Did the fluted barrel and the adjustable cheek rest. 6,5 Creed. Thanks for the details on the Christianson arms and Cross rifles.
5:23 to add to that, you can also adjust the cant of the butt pad on the cross. Take the length of pull all the way out, and on the front side of the butt pad you’ll see 2 screws, you loosen those to cant the butt pad. After I got my cross, I thought I would’ve still have preferred to get the Q Fix, but I’ve come to really appreciate the aics mags over sr25 mags and really love the tool less adjustability of the stock (besides the butt pad cant) but I’m never gonna use that anyway
I guess I get why you painted the rifles, but what a shame to paint the MPR, it’s such a pretty rifle. A few years ago, it was my number three choice for a precision rifle I was looking to buy. That number three ranking had a lot to do with how it looked, admittedly. I was hoping to get a DD Delta V Pro in 6.5 Creedmoor, but they were backordered for months. I settled on the Tikka T3X Tact A1 over the MPR. The action was much smoother, I liked the beefier weight for a precision shooter, and I was just much more familiar with the brand. Haven’t been disappointed, it’s a fun and accurate rifle to shoot. Enjoyed the video and subscribed, even if the MPR paint scheme makes me sad. 😂
Looking at a MPR on gunbroker in 7PRC bidding for 1100usd. I’m going to pass. Don’t trust Christensen too many reviews about poor QC and buying used is even more scary
One good thing about the Springfield is I think that it can be moved into a 700 chassis... I really want to pick up a Waypoint with adjustable cheek piece
My mpr works great been hunting with it 3 years now only issue I had was ftf and it was the magazine the mag lips got weak over time because its plastic and so it push the ammo at a 45 angle and cant feed until u only had maybe 2 rds in the mag. I had C.A send me out a new mag and i compared the 2 and found that was the problem. Shoots accurate and feed and eject is fine now.
I've been running a Sig for several months and at first, the accuracy was exactly as you describe. Somewhere between 250 and 300 rounds, something amazing happened. It starting shooting bug holes with factory Hornady 140 grain American gunner ammo. Far and away the most accurate rifle I've shot and it does it consistently now. I have never cleaned the thing either. Also, as for the loose stock, I experienced that as well but a little Loc-Tite and a bit of torque and it is nice and solid. Great video by the way. Well thought out observations. Oh and you might want to edit the title of the video... "Christiansen" as opposed to "Christian" make a little difference. LOL
Sig cross 6.5 creedmore hands down is my go to now. I hunt Northern AB huge elk and bucks,. Never a problem taking down big game. I used my Winchester 30-06 the last 20 years and finally moved after trying out a friends Sig. Great adjustability, light and very accurate. Love the AR platform and use front hang carry. I use EDL-X and SST 143gr bullets. I also use the Leupold VX-5HD with custom turrets set for long range shooting, MDT Bipod and a liner compensator. Average kill distances with 6.5. 400-600 yards with proper placement. If I don't have the right shot, I don't take it unlike many irresponsible hunters out there.
I’m running a 6.5 cross with a VX-6 3-18x50 and it is lights out a shooter. I would says it’s a sub inch gun with hand loads and have zero POI shift going with a can or not.
This is exactly what I wanted to hear. I’m going to trade my MPA PMR in 6.5CM for the Sig in 6.5CM and have my first hunting specific rifle. I’m in North Carolina hunting white tail and will have maybe a 300 yard shot, that’ll be a chip shot for the 6.5CM.
I got the Cross in .308 for $1450. The best it shoots is 1.5 Moa with my 168 handloads ive tried everything and im thinking about rebarreling to another caliber but I really like the gun itself. I did go back and forth on the Christensen but with everything I've heard QC wise plus 2/3 friends with problem Christensens I really didn't want to roll the dice. If u wanted to go Springfield i would just buy another T3X Ember
To bad you couldn't get a cross without a barrel... I wonder what I could get out of a new factory barrel 🤔 I wouldn't mind having one in a 6 creedmoor
@@JUNIOR_LSX Sorry I misunderstood you. I thought you were asking about the scope. The rings are Arken rings on whatever base comes stock with the rifle.
Good review, I think shelving the Waypoint and comparing the MPR and Cross to a Fix is more apples to apples. End of the day if you’re using these for hunting .5 MOA is not necessary. Hunting “accuracy” needs are different than “PRS”. I do own 3 Fix, 1 MPP AND 1 MPR. All shoot accurately and I’ve hunted with all and no issues.
Really like the Sig Cross .308 I have other than its trigger. The trigger is serviceable/works okay, but it's not really precision rifle trigger - too much creep and not a crisp break. But that's Sig for you, triggers are always the weak point of any Sig to me whether one of their rifles or pistols. Unfortunately with the Cross you are stuck with a proprietary trigger setup, no alternative to it. Still, like it very much in spite of its trigger - light weight, shoots great, and ergonomic once you get right pistol grip (the MPA VFG like on your Christensen Arms MPR) and add the polymer foregrip onto it. If I were to do it over though I would 100% go with a Tikka T3X in a KRG X-Ray chassis instead based on the .17HMR T1X in KRG Bravo chassis am running for my rimfire precision rifle. Absolutely proper stock precision trigger and phenominal shooting precision/accuracy for less than $1k. T3X/X-Ray chassis would be as adjustable/ergonomic as the Sig Cross while still having short 70° bolt angle and smooth action and incredible stock trigger. Weight wouldn't be that much more either with a 20" barrel and it would come in $100's less than a stock Sig Cross and outperform it a little bit in shooting.
I also have all 3 but in 308. The cross is a 1.5" at best with 5 diff types. CA is 1/2", WP is 3/4". WP best action, sig next, CA last. CA best trig. Sig chassis is shit comp to CA. WP stock is Alpine hunter and the best fixed you can get. If CA had slick bolt movement it would be my fav.
Surprising that your Sig Cross is 1.5 moa at best. I consistently shoot 0.75-1 of a bipod and bag. On a good day i get it a bit tighter. The only complaint i have with the Cross is that at times and only the 5th consecutive shot, the group opens up. Thinking of swapping the 16in factory 308 barrel to an 18in Proof. Otherwise for now my go to hunting rifle.
I hear people saying their CA MPR is garbage. I have it in 300 PRC and it has been great to me. I would say that the bolt could be smoother just as ritj6006 said. Clearly some people are getting less accurate rifles than others because there are just so many people saying it to include big RUclipsrs like Backfire. I have mine suppressed now and I love hunting with it.
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THIS is how you do a comparison, not 30 minutes of bad shooting to talk about accuracy. It was really nice to hear all the points that matter in the rifles and what the differences were. I appreciate your insight, thank you.
yeah, bought the waypoint. Did the fluted barrel and the adjustable cheek rest. 6,5 Creed. Thanks for the details on the Christianson arms and Cross rifles.
That Waypoint is just beautiful.
We have very similar rifle interests. Thanks for the info! I can't get over how handy and small the Cross is. Really like it's aesthetics
5:23 to add to that, you can also adjust the cant of the butt pad on the cross. Take the length of pull all the way out, and on the front side of the butt pad you’ll see 2 screws, you loosen those to cant the butt pad. After I got my cross, I thought I would’ve still have preferred to get the Q Fix, but I’ve come to really appreciate the aics mags over sr25 mags and really love the tool less adjustability of the stock (besides the butt pad cant) but I’m never gonna use that anyway
I guess I get why you painted the rifles, but what a shame to paint the MPR, it’s such a pretty rifle. A few years ago, it was my number three choice for a precision rifle I was looking to buy. That number three ranking had a lot to do with how it looked, admittedly. I was hoping to get a DD Delta V Pro in 6.5 Creedmoor, but they were backordered for months. I settled on the Tikka T3X Tact A1 over the MPR. The action was much smoother, I liked the beefier weight for a precision shooter, and I was just much more familiar with the brand. Haven’t been disappointed, it’s a fun and accurate rifle to shoot.
Enjoyed the video and subscribed, even if the MPR paint scheme makes me sad. 😂
Also, with the action problems you’ve had with CA, makes me feel like I made the right choice. 👍
The universe steered you in the right direction then
Looking at a MPR on gunbroker in 7PRC bidding for 1100usd. I’m going to pass. Don’t trust Christensen too many reviews about poor QC and buying used is even more scary
I have been burnt by CA, never again
Good call
Lol so you're going off of what people say, my MPR is a tack driver keyhole at 200 yards! 22 inch barrel 300 win mag it's shooting HOT
@@TyB.-to3ek it's keyholing at 200y? Sounds like a christensen 😆
@TyB.-to3ek I am going off my 300 PRC. Junk. When it gets hot it throws flyers
One good thing about the Springfield is I think that it can be moved into a 700 chassis... I really want to pick up a Waypoint with adjustable cheek piece
I have one… Great gun
You won’t be sorry
Christensen has turned into a lemon factory
Buy the Magpul’s 300 WSM mags for the 6.5 PRC. They’ll fit great and feed reliably and you’ll get 6 rounds instead of 3.
I’m curious how you’re finding these amazing deals on these rifles. I would love to know where. Have been eyeing a sig cross for a long while now
probably getting at cost.
Less than 30 seconds into the video, when discussing the barrels, you incorrectly identified the SIG as the Christensen.
My mpr works great been hunting with it 3 years now only issue I had was ftf and it was the magazine the mag lips got weak over time because its plastic and so it push the ammo at a 45 angle and cant feed until u only had maybe 2 rds in the mag. I had C.A send me out a new mag and i compared the 2 and found that was the problem. Shoots accurate and feed and eject is fine now.
what optic is that on the sig cross?
Got lucky with my waypoint. Shoots 1/4 moa with berger 135s
Love the way the agc stock fits me like a glove. I also prefer a more traditional stock.
I’m envious. My waypoint does slip into the 3/4” three shot guarantee but barely. Still really like the gun though.
Sig cross is 1/2 moa, I have one and it will stack rounds with Hornady 140 grain BTHP
Same here, 1/2 moa or better. I use Hornady ELDX
I've been running a Sig for several months and at first, the accuracy was exactly as you describe. Somewhere between 250 and 300 rounds, something amazing happened. It starting shooting bug holes with factory Hornady 140 grain American gunner ammo. Far and away the most accurate rifle I've shot and it does it consistently now. I have never cleaned the thing either. Also, as for the loose stock, I experienced that as well but a little Loc-Tite and a bit of torque and it is nice and solid.
Great video by the way. Well thought out observations.
Oh and you might want to edit the title of the video... "Christiansen" as opposed to "Christian" make a little difference. LOL
Thank you for the info and for catching my mistake.
why dont you clean it?
Way point also has a model 2020 rimfire rebate
I just ordered a 6.5 PRC with a CF barrel for $1900 out the door. Believe me the rimfire rebate is what made me buy it.
Great review! Thank you.
Sig cross 6.5 creedmore hands down is my go to now. I hunt Northern AB huge elk and bucks,. Never a problem taking down big game. I used my Winchester 30-06 the last 20 years and finally moved after trying out a friends Sig. Great adjustability, light and very accurate. Love the AR platform and use front hang carry. I use EDL-X and SST 143gr bullets. I also use the Leupold VX-5HD with custom turrets set for long range shooting, MDT Bipod and a liner compensator. Average kill distances with 6.5. 400-600 yards with proper placement. If I don't have the right shot, I don't take it unlike many irresponsible hunters out there.
thats a nice setup. These days I shoot Ars more than my bolts and love my VX5HD on my deer rifle
Do you use the cross with the 18” barrel??
I’m running a 6.5 cross with a VX-6 3-18x50 and it is lights out a shooter. I would says it’s a sub inch gun with hand loads and have zero POI shift going with a can or not.
@@DavidBanks02 nice!
This is exactly what I wanted to hear. I’m going to trade my MPA PMR in 6.5CM for the Sig in 6.5CM and have my first hunting specific rifle. I’m in North Carolina hunting white tail and will have maybe a 300 yard shot, that’ll be a chip shot for the 6.5CM.
I got the Cross in .308 for $1450. The best it shoots is 1.5 Moa with my 168 handloads ive tried everything and im thinking about rebarreling to another caliber but I really like the gun itself. I did go back and forth on the Christensen but with everything I've heard QC wise plus 2/3 friends with problem Christensens I really didn't want to roll the dice. If u wanted to go Springfield i would just buy another T3X Ember
Try and re-torque the barrel. We have found that they come a bit more loose than what Sig says they should be.
Don’t be afraid to try the Christians and Arms I own three and a friend of mine owns one they all work perfectly. Maybe it’s just the lack of the draw
Thanks
To bad you couldn't get a cross without a barrel... I wonder what I could get out of a new factory barrel 🤔 I wouldn't mind having one in a 6 creedmoor
You can get prefits now from proof and a few other manufacturers.
I bought a Sigcross over a year ago and it's not all that for the money. I'm more happy with my HOWA's
Been looking at a lightweight chassis style hunting rifle for deer for 400 yards and in. Sounds like the sig is the ticket.
What is the scope mount on the Sig?
Arken epl
@@TheFullNeilson 0 or 20 moa
@@JUNIOR_LSX Sorry I misunderstood you. I thought you were asking about the scope. The rings are Arken rings on whatever base comes stock with the rifle.
Good review, I think shelving the Waypoint and comparing the MPR and Cross to a Fix is more apples to apples. End of the day if you’re using these for hunting .5 MOA is not necessary. Hunting “accuracy” needs are different than “PRS”. I do own 3 Fix, 1 MPP AND 1 MPR. All shoot accurately and I’ve hunted with all and no issues.
👍
Really like the Sig Cross .308 I have other than its trigger. The trigger is serviceable/works okay, but it's not really precision rifle trigger - too much creep and not a crisp break. But that's Sig for you, triggers are always the weak point of any Sig to me whether one of their rifles or pistols. Unfortunately with the Cross you are stuck with a proprietary trigger setup, no alternative to it. Still, like it very much in spite of its trigger - light weight, shoots great, and ergonomic once you get right pistol grip (the MPA VFG like on your Christensen Arms MPR) and add the polymer foregrip onto it.
If I were to do it over though I would 100% go with a Tikka T3X in a KRG X-Ray chassis instead based on the .17HMR T1X in KRG Bravo chassis am running for my rimfire precision rifle. Absolutely proper stock precision trigger and phenominal shooting precision/accuracy for less than $1k. T3X/X-Ray chassis would be as adjustable/ergonomic as the Sig Cross while still having short 70° bolt angle and smooth action and incredible stock trigger. Weight wouldn't be that much more either with a 20" barrel and it would come in $100's less than a stock Sig Cross and outperform it a little bit in shooting.
Having 3 of the same caliber just seems.. . Redundant.
Excellent Fitted Mags Are The Key Answer To Almost All Feeding Issues.
I also have all 3 but in 308. The cross is a 1.5" at best with 5 diff types. CA is 1/2", WP is 3/4". WP best action, sig next, CA last. CA best trig. Sig chassis is shit comp to CA. WP stock is Alpine hunter and the best fixed you can get. If CA had slick bolt movement it would be my fav.
Surprising that your Sig Cross is 1.5 moa at best. I consistently shoot 0.75-1 of a bipod and bag. On a good day i get it a bit tighter. The only complaint i have with the Cross is that at times and only the 5th consecutive shot, the group opens up. Thinking of swapping the 16in factory 308 barrel to an 18in Proof. Otherwise for now my go to hunting rifle.
I hear people saying their CA MPR is garbage. I have it in 300 PRC and it has been great to me. I would say that the bolt could be smoother just as ritj6006 said. Clearly some people are getting less accurate rifles than others because there are just so many people saying it to include big RUclipsrs like Backfire. I have mine suppressed now and I love hunting with it.
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1 MOA!! You can get same results with a $500 rifle 😂
To Each Their Own However A 1 Rifle Pick For Do All Is Modified .300 Win Mag With 26” Inch Barrel & Muzzle Brake. Drop Anything In North America & In Incredible Short-Long Real Estate With The Right Eyeball On Top. In The Military Energy Is Crucial For Longer Ranges From The Nest. Great Footage. Keep It Coming.
I give up. Why do you capitalize every word?
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