i got my embody last week and absolutely can sit in it for 14h straight without issues. i like the fact, that it supports movement of my back , which is great after some hours working. and it doesnt make any noises.
Matt - I have given this a try with no luck. I wonder if it's because a.) the chair is 5 years old and showing some wear and tear in this area or b.) 2018-era Embody chairs were noisier. Or perhaps some combination of the above. Edit - I found that if I pull the armrests up with some force, the noise reduces when adjusting side to side, but is not eliminated. Anyway, thanks for dropping the tip here!
I narrowed down my choice to Aeron and Embody and then went to the store and sat in both of them. I was leaning towards Embody, but the moment I sat in Aeron, it felt like sitting on a cloud. I totally agree that reclining on Aeron is amazing and the chair feels more premium in terms of materials. I almost went ahead and bought a used Aeron online, while still at the HM store. Then, when the sales rep left for a moment, I spent a bit more time in both chairs. I realized that while Embody doesn't have that "wow" factor... it just subtly feels better over time. The sales rep confirmed that Embody is rated for the longest sitting time in their line up at 11 hours (I didn't ask about Aeron specifically, but other HM chairs are rated at 8 hours). Great review, I think you just confirmed my suspicions from a brief interaction with both chairs!
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment, Oleg! Sounds like we are on the same page - I wasn’t aware of the ratings you mention, so thanks for sharing that!
That's exactly my experience as well. NGL the embody was my dream chair for quite a few years now (since I heard of the premium chair market). This summer I tried them both. Aeron first was a huge wow factor, sitting on a cloud as you said. Then the embody after that didn't felt as "dreamy" at first. But after ~40-45 minutes switching from one to another (and yes, it's not enough for a thorough test but you can only do as much in a store), I was sold on the Embody. I'll have my chair delivered in ~2 months
I was on the fence between the Aeron and the Embody when I was choosing which one to get. Something about the Logitech Embody caught my eye. I have been sitting on it for 3 weeks for 8-12hours/day 7 days a week and I have had no pain in my back/tailbone. The Embody is by far the best chair money can buy...just my opinion. thanks.
Great to hear the Logitech Embody is working out for you!! I wonder if the extra foam in that chair vs. the standard Embody helps relieve tailbone pressure? I am considering adding foam to mine.
I hated the armrests on the embody, they are way too far forward, cant level with the desk and sit close to it for tasking. Terrible armrest adjustments, can't change the depth and not nearly as sort as the aeron. Didn't like the curvature of the backrest as well, but that's personal preference and body type.
I just bought an Aeron and I noticed something very important I want to share. The size, A,B,C matters quite a bit it seems. I'm 6'1'' 175lbs, and I NEEDED a size C. In some reviews, I see people with their shoulders ABOVE the top of the backrest. The top of my shoulders are BELOW the top of the backrest with my C. This leads me to believe they are in a size B when then should be in a C. I think this is also what leads people to say the seat rim bothers the back of their legs. Another note is I have slim legs and I noticed there is not much space between my thighs and the rim of the seat. If I had bigger thighs, I can see this may be an issue, however for my size it cradles me perfectly. I can even cross my legs or put one foot up on the lip with no discomfort. The posture fit was something that needed to be dialed in (like everything on the Aeron) and it now feels great after I dialed in the tilt tension as well. Tilt tension I think may be the most important thing to getting the cloud like feel on the Aeron. It is based off your weight, which leads me to believe a larger person using a size B will have a less than optimal experience. In converse, my much smaller girlfriend cannot comfortably engage the lean on the size C. One last thing, on the Aeron the forward tilt feature is dope if you are a gamer that likes to lean forward on your keyboard and mouse. The Aeron follows me upright and forward and then all the way back when I die and stretch. The tilt tension adjust is truly the key to this chairs comfort. I have it dialed in to feel like a cloud and I am truly impressed. TLDR: The size of the Aeron seems to matter quite a bit, and I think more people need a size C than realize. I also think wider people may find something like the Embody more comfy due to the width of the size C Aeron being narrow. Hope this helps you fellow chair hunters!
I agree 100%. I tried the Aeron B as the HM guide and rep suggested and then compared with the Embody. The Embody was beyond better, but then I realised it was because the B did not support my shoulders at all, whilst the Embody did. I have broad shoulders from working out and the sizing guide doesn't account for this, only height and weight. I switched to the Aeron C and it was now on par with the Embody.
I agree that Aeron sizing is very important, but that doesn't mean that there is a size for everyone. In my case (185cm/6 feet 1 inch tall, 80KG weight), I tried both the Aeron size B and C (which I should have mentioned in the video). I ended up concluding the following: Aeron Remastered Size B: frame sticks into the top of my back when I stretch, limiting my movement. Aeron Remastered Size C: the mesh is too loose for me, meaning I get insufficient back support.
Sat in an Embody, Aeron, Leap v2, and Gesture yesterday in the showroom. Now I know sizing and personal fit can be subjective but I am 5'10 150 pounds for reference so kinda right there in the middle of height and weight. The Embody has quite a long and wide seat pad, if that matters to you. People on the heavier or taller side will definitely appreciate this feature. The Leap and Gesture competes with it in this area but don't quite match it. The Aeron you would need to test yourself in your Size A,B,C setup but the B was just about perfect for me. It was extremely comfortable in your standard upright office tasking position, possibly the best out of all the chairs. It was very supportive and loungey almost which was surprising for a taught mesh chair and plastic bucket seat. However the edge of that bucket seat you can feel on the underside of your legs and this is where the other chairs come out as superior for at home coziness if you're going to be using the chair for things other than office tasks like watching movies. Ultimately I went with the Leap V2 because he had an excellent condition used black one fully loaded for $450. The Aeron (new) with Atlas headrest was over $1600.... I could not justify that premium. Also I am coming from a mesh Hykken and knew I did not want mesh again. There is something cozy and plush about fabric and feels much better on the skin too. You can sit in almost any position in the Leap/Embody/Gesture and you will be comfortable while the Aeron is very much a racecar tasking position although it is supreme in THAT one sitting position. I would go with the Embody over the Aeron for at home use. It is "cozier" as already stated by default due to the fabric and wide seat which allows many alternate sitting positions. The Aeron is the supreme office tasking chair when you need to get down to business.
I am still in my Embody, one year later, and plan to provide an update video once the Embody Atlas headrest is launched next year. Looking at your comment - I can see Aeron B being perfect for 5 feet 10 inches. I have never tried the Leap V2 but might give it a shot one day, thanks for the comment!
I totally get your point. I finally took an appointment with the only Herman Miller dealer in my area and went 2 days ago. Got an hour to talk and try both the Aeron and the Embody. Both felt amazing, really, and like you said the "wow factor" is certainly a bit higher on the Aeron. But the embody has this feeling of effortlessness when you sit on it, you sit as you want, not as the seat wants you to seat. The front frame of the Aeron seat also bothered me a tiny bit in the ~30 minutes I was on it (tried them both for 10-12 minutes then switched a lot to evaluate), that made me a little afraid it would only feel worse in the long term. An finally being tall (6’6’’ or 198cm) the backrest of the Embody just felt better to me. I ordered one yesterday and will be delivered end october. Can’t wait for my new chair.
@@comfytechquest as I said in my comment, delivered end october and we are still in september. Thanks for reminding me of the wait, I almost forgot my future chair 😅
@@comfytechquest 2 weeks with my chair at home. It’s just amazing. Truely on another level from all my previous "average" chair. I still don’t know if it’s THE best chair out there, but it certainly must be one of the best. Fits me very well but I will order the atlas headrest for it for when I’m fully reclined head is a bit too heavy in this position for watching a tv show/movie/youtube
I’ve sat in over 25 different high end chairs from Humanscale, Steelcase Gesture and other variants / models, to the Herman Miller Aeron. I like to sit with my legs farther apart and the Aeron plastic on the sides dug into my quads, Nothing has felt as good as the Embody. I’m sitting in mine right now as I type this,
Does your back hurt if you sit on the chair for more than an hour. I bought the embody chair a week ago and it’s not easy on my back. I have a L5-s1 disc herniation.
@@dragonsan7577 I find that I need to frequently switch between the highest tilt lock position, and a slightly leant back position. If I just stay in one position, I get sore too.
Embody >>>>>> Aeron. He’s, I tried both. The Embody was more comfortable for me. Have not regretted it at all. I have a secondary chair, the Steelcase Amia, great chair as well.
"no chair can fix not exercising" amen It's just the tip of the iceberg, though. Been getting more new problems other than my back. Can't fuck around anymore with my health.. just turned 36.
We are the same age, my friend! I am considering doing a video or two on “what I do outside of the chair” to help my back, given that this is a key part of being comfy in a chair. Thoughts?
I had a chance to sit and compare both chairs few days ago. They are both fairly comfortable and good support for my back which is great for a chronic back injury patient like myself. But one thing I found aeron maybe a better choice for me is, embody has a narrower and rounder backrest when aeron is much wider. I have round back posture issue and I can keep my shoulders open in aeron. I don't see people talk much about the different curveness and backrest wideness but I guess it's worth to mention.
Thanks for the comment! Yes, I do agree that in the Embody, my shoulders feel very slightly “closed”. In my case I counteract that by frequently stretching and pushing against the backrest. The more I move, the happier my back :-)
I gave up the idea of finding the perfect anything quite a long time ago. The Embody X Logitech G certainly comes close enough, so it’s now my favorite chair, after owning it for about a month. I contacted Herman Miller directly to ask about a headrest. I was informed HM doesn’t design headrests for any of their chairs because ergonomics would be compromised. Using one’s neck and upper body muscles is apparently more conducive to a healthy posture. I appreciate your review!
I can see how using a headrest all the time would indeed compromise ergonomics. However, I also think folks should be given the choice to use one when fully reclined - IMO, that position doesn’t really lend itself to tasking anyway - it’s more of a “sit back and think” scenario. Re. Logitech Embody - the more recommendations I see for this, the more I think about adding foam to my standard Embody :-).
@@MiroAcronymity you can unhook the fabric from the seat pan and add foam underneath. I was considering creating a mini video talking this through, would that be of interest?
I'd really appreciate this as I have just ordered the Embody Gaming chair and am aware that the lack of foam near the front is going to be a problem - I like a relatively deep seat. @@comfytechquest
@@comfytechquest Yeah that'll definitely be a useful vid. There's some discussion of the foam not going all the way to the extended seat pan depth (for non-UK embodys) so this may be a way to alleviate that problem.
I believe that, deep down, most people choose the Embody chair because of its attractive design. If we removed that differential appeal, no one would choose it because it is less adjustable, makes noise, has more plastic, and generally, everyone perceives it as of lower quality. However, the mind needs to justify something illogical because, in reality, the purpose of an office chair should be quality and comfort before an attractive design. In the end, humans end up making more emotional than logical decisions.
I’m not so sure. I moved away from the Aeron as I didn’t like the back support - I found that with the Aeron B, the frame dug into my shoulders if leaning back. With the Aeron C, I found the mesh too saggy for my liking. As noted in this video, I preferred other aspects of the Aeron, such as the arm rests (which I love).
I went with the Aeron Remastered for 2 reasons. 1, it's newly designed and much better for posture correctness and 2. I like the style better bonus 3. I prefer mesh, even though I get cold easy, because it lessens the pressure on my body. I would love to sit in an embody but based on these 3 simple things, I chose the Aeron. Bonus, it helps that Aeron has Atlas making headrests but Atlas has notated they are releasing a headrest for the Embody at some point. So stay on the look out.
I have had an embody for a good year now and am trying the aeron as the embody is really aggravating my lower back and I feel it’s adding to my si joint pain. It’s also giving me bum pain after a while as the seat isn’t very plump and that’s with some extra foam I put in. This is the Logitech gaming edition. I have ordered a size c aeron remaster and am 182cm and 80kg hoping it will be ok
Interesting. I'd be keen to know how you get on with the Aeron size C. I'm very similar height/weight to yourself (185cm/80kg) and I didn't particularly rate the upper back support on the C. On the Aeron B, I found that the upper frame dug into my back if I leant back but in hindsight, I think perhaps the B was a better fit for me overall.
I just got one 4 days ago and initially hated it because the lumbar region dug into my back but it just takes a while to break in. I did push hard on the area a few times which seemed to help. I think over time the back of the chair molds to your own back.
I've found that to be comfy, I have to consciously ensure I place the bottom of my spine right up against the back of the chair (no slouching whatsoever). From time to time I'll notice I'm not doing this, adjust, and feel instant relief. I'd be keen to hear how you are getting on now (1 month later).
Thanks for the deep review. I’m spending hours trying to choose between the 2 and this helps. I do think you could use a better microphone and get rid of the annoying background music, would be a lot easier to listen.
@@comfytechquest I liked the music, just needed to be less pronounced compared to your voice. Honestly, just up the voice don't reduce the music. Also, the intro was really loud compared to the video. I'm being lazy and not checking if others have said this sorry haha. Overall though? Fantastic review I loved the detail you went into. I'm also a recliner and have bought the Atlas headrest for my classic aeron on your recommendation, thanks mate!
Interesting. The first week with my Embody was painful. I had to move the backrest all the way up to support my upper back, so nothing would poking in my back's mid-section. It's slowly getting better though. Doesn't feel like those plastic fingers aren't poking me that much, anymore.
Also ordered an Embody x Logitech like 2 weeks ago. Unfortunately I got no notification on the delivery date but I'm very excited. I also read that Atlas will release a headrest for the Embody in a few month.
You don’t need a headrest for this chair. I have the gaming version and I’ve been sitting in the chair for 1 month for 10-12hrs/day 7 days a week and I don’t feel like I need a headrest. The way the chair is designed, your shoulder blades are always pressed up against the back of the chair when you get adjusted to the chair (with proper posture). With your shoulder-blades pressed up against the back of the chair your head sits perfectly in the middle and you don’t need the headrest. I would not get a headrest for the Embody because if HM doesn’t sell it then I don’t need it. I’m also not going to drill anything in my chair and void the warranty. You will be extremely happy with your Logitech Embody gaming chair. I have no complaints about the chair and I can sit in the chair all day for hours on end without having the need to stand up and relax my back. I don’t know if this is a placebo or if it is really doing what I think it’s doing. I don’t think that you can mentally dismiss pain on your body if it’s present. That’s why I think this chair is superior to all other chairs and come on, this chair looks like something out of a futuristic movie. I bet this is the next chair that will be in the MOMA along with the Aeron eventually. The Embody has only been out since 2009 and the Aeron has been out since 1994 so there’s a major gap. In due time, I think the Embody will catch up to the Aeron and to be honest, I think the Embody is far better looking than the Aeron. Thanks.
@@iHustleLXXXI I would say that opinion on whether a headrest is needed for the Embody is divided and subjective. Personally, I do like to recline back from time to time, and I do find myself missing a headrest. I would be surprised if an Atlas headrest would require causing any damage (e.g. drilling) to the chair given that their Aeron headrest can be fitted with zero damage to the chair.
PSA FOR TALL PEOPLE: I'm 6 foot 4 inches tall (4.5 inches to be technical). So my Torso and Legs are both "longer than the average Human. OUT OF ALL THE HERMAN MILLERS THE EMBODY FITS ME BEST. WHY? I have a bad back and the Embody literally HAS THE BEST BACK SUPPORT, once you learn how to adjust it and get used to it. I don't find a Headrest needed if you are spending less than 5ish hours a day in the chair, if you are spending more and are 6'4" or taller, IMO the headrest is MANDATORY to complete the chair.
Hey, thank you so much for your video I have been trying to get me an answer weather I buy the embody or not. Now I clearly will order the embody tomorrow. Thanks again!
I have the Aeron Remastered but I would instantly get the Embody if they make a remastered version for it. It desperately needs it as it is extremely dated. Needs new arms as well as possibly a better system for the seat pan adjustment and flex. Overall making the chair less clunky and less noisy. They did very well with the Aeron's remastered update, the Embody need's that same treatment.
Personally, I like to keep the back fit support reasonably loose, to avoid the Embody pushing my shoulders forward. If I tighten the back fit then I do get undesirable rounding.
I got the zody their other high end chair which is allegedly more comfortable than the fern and I found it to be a very poor seating experience zero back support and it tries to get you to lean back the whole time.
you think the aeron has "god like" armrests? the steelcase leap v2 armrests are the best in the industry with full 4D positioning. Although this is a chair i got used for £160 (RRP is £860) as I am currently waiting for my custom order with HM for an embody. Medley 60167, White Frame, Full Aluminium top spec paid around £1354 as its new.
This video was pretty high quality for a brand new channel. I was in the same boat, I also saw these two chairs as being my endgame for a long time and finally got myself a used Aeron a couple of years back and hated it. This was because the seat didn't let me sit on my foot and I also didn't like the arms because they curved too much when relaxing and that made it hard to game for long periods when not sitting totally upright. I was then considering the Embody but with the used office furniture market not really having any Embodys and with the lack of headrest support I decided to go for the Steelcase Gesture with headrest.
Thanks for the kind words, James!! Interesting to hear you mention that your feet there - I found that I was way more comfortable in the Aeron when using a foot rest, and don’t rely anywhere near as much on my foot rest with the Embody. How is your Steelcase chair working out?
man you had me sweating for a while watching this since I have an Embody on the way, interesting to see that the Embody's armrest's are less adjustable than the Aeron I thought it was the other way around. But I do think I have similar things with the back and the Embody will be a better solution for my upper back where most of my problem is. You should be happy to know that Atlas are making a head rest for the Embody as well, or may already have it out by now.
Thanks for your opinion. I've used Aeron in the past and felt the same about the top part of back support. Now I'm looking at Embody x Logitech Gaming and it's on sale for 1200 now, so seems to be a good deal
Omg, I really liked your Cannon in D electronic edition background. Maybe a thing to point out would be to decrease background volume, it feels sometimes to deliver too much information to the viewer (your voice + visual content vs. sfx/music). Nevertheless your video is really nice! Thanks for your notes on these chairs
Good to have another fan of that track visiting my channel :). I hear you, and think the issue is also that my voice wasn't loud enough in this video. I'm looking to fix this for my next upload.
No plans to swap the chair yet! I ended up adding some padding to the armrests, and still plan to get the Atlas Embody headrest when that launches. I will likely post an update video at some point during the next 1-2 months.
Most people don't mention the seat bottom "suspension" on the embody which imo is amazing and better than the aeron. As for the armrests, the only feature I need is that they go lower than my thighs to slide under my desk which both chairs can do
Hi! Late comment, but recently got a regular Embody after watching your reviews and wanted to ask if there was a transition period for you in terms of getting used to the chair? I upgraded from a Sayl! I ask because I notice my hamstrings feeling pressure when sitting on the Embody and not sure if its a seat height/depth issue or a “Im not used to sitting in the Embody” issue yet. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for the comment! I would hazard a guess that it’s a height/depth adjustment thing. I remember making adjustments there when I first got the chair, but haven’t felt any hamstring issues since then, whatsoever. Hope you manage to find the cause.
Nice detailed review, 👍 I've been agonising over these 2 chairs myself as well, I'm leaning toward the Embody (logitech). Do you know what the overall depth of the chair is? (front seat edge to outermost edge of the frame on the back) It's one detail I can't seem to find, HM site only gives seat pan depth. Want to make sure it'll fit through my doors when I eventually bite the bullet.
If you chose the embody you might consider just getting the regular one. Apparently the logitech ones padding is a different material that's not as nice.
Golden Sun? Now I have to find a way to play it again, thanks a lot. But really, thanks for the review, I'm the same boat as you in everything except height :)
Hey there. I find myself switching between the most upright locked position, and a non-locked natural recline position. This works well for me. My only slight gripe with this is that the armrests are too long, as I like to have them level with the desk (putting them below the desk is a non-option for me as it results in tired shoulders). My ideal setup would be to have an Embody with armrests that go forward and back (like the Aerson Remastered armrests), allowing me to sit right up against the desk.
Cheers for the kind words!! I’ll try using my standalone mic (as opposed to iPhone) next time. I figured the video would be dull without background music, but will consider turning that off!
Some reviewers say that the emobody pushes your shoulders forward. Would you agree on that? Did you had problems with forwarded shoulders in general (before herman miller chairs)?
I would agree with that, when the back fit is tightened. Personally, I find the chair most comfy with the backfit loose, and tilt tension reasonably tight. I may do a video to explain this if folks would find that helpful.
I recently got a Aeron remastered (B). It's fairly comfortable, but I can also only sit in it for a short time, mostly limited by the mesh. I'm interested in the Embody, but i'm afraid i'm too tall for it. I'm 6', and seeing as you're 6'1", do you feel like the back rest is large enough for you? I've read about people around this length having issues with their shoulders being pushed forward too much, and they feel like they are a bit too large for the chair.
Hey there - I found the Aeron size B too small for me because the upper plastic frame digs in when I lean back. I do find myself longing for a headrest in the Embody, particularly when reclining. I would say the actual back rest feels about the right height for me. Edit: forgot to mention that I’m 6 ft 1 (185cm).
hello. would you recommend the embody for rear shoulder blade pain? from mouse shoulder my delts get sore...do you think the aeron or the embody would be better for the shoulders?
I’d say the Aeron would provide a softer feel for your shoulders due to the mesh material. Personally, I went for the Embody primarily because I wanted the firmer upper back support. But I do not suffer from the shoulder issue you describe. Hope that helps.
embody seat is unbareable for me lol. mine must have been broken or no padding because it was literally harder then hard wood. coming from a secretlabs chair which arent known for being soft. it made the embody logitech look like a freaking brick LOL!!
@@comfytechquest the seat itself! the back is so good! it’s just the seat is so hard for me. i think i’ll look into that. unless i’m just in the adjustment period or break in. but i read that the logitech has extra added padding in the seat, couldn’t imagine the normal embody then lol
it’s like i’m hitting the hard bit at the bottom but i’m not heavy or anything so im not sure what’s going on, i think extra foam is something i’ll definitely look into
@Snxgur here’s the video, maybe worth taking a look at whether there’s a big enough gap for custom foam - Herman Miller Embody - adding your own foam (SUPER easy!) ruclips.net/video/ajHjDt9Vf6o/видео.html
Gosh I was watching all kinds of reviews and MOST of them said to get the Aeron. I originally wanted the embody because I like the looks of it more but I need to make sure I prioritized the comfort and ability to sit for 8+ hours at a time since I work from home. Now knowing your experience I am even more confused. WHICH ONE DO I GET???
Quite honestly you need to try it for yourself. Ensure you buy from somewhere that has a decent returns policy. If you don’t like the chair after a week of use, I’d say it’s reasonably unlikely that you’ll start liking it IMO.
@@comfytechquest I actually have bought the embody since I made this comment and I love it so far. I can’t tell if the chair is awesome or if it is just so much better than my racing style gaming chair I’ve been sitting in for the last few years. I appreciate the review!
@@theabominablesmokeman8296 Which model did you go for? Is it noisy? I'm considering the Logitech version but I've seen a few reviews mention that it's quite creaky. I think it's the only one you can buy direct from HM atm.
@@Unexplained_Bacon I got the Logitech version. It is quieter than the racer style chair that I did have but it does make noise when I lean back. The noise doesn’t bother me but if that’s something that is annoying to you I would consider it before buying. Other than that I can’t think of anything I dislike about the embody. That’s my experience from sitting 8-12 hours a day in it for a week or so now.
I would say overall yes, I do still prefer the Embody having owned it for 2 months. However I have not changed my mind about the headrest (I want one) and Embody armrests (they are too long, and don’t go back far enough vs. Aeron Remastered). If folks are interested I will do an update video.
I was really sad sending my Aeron back. The seat sides would start to dig into the sides of my ass after a few hours, which sucked. Everything else, I loved. Whenever I was sitting in it I felt like a god, its REALLY good. I got the Embody now and I dont have the problem I had with the Aeron, however, everything else sucks. My ass now hurts at the center (laterally) and furthest place back, right at the 90 degree zone, so I guess this one is also going back. This was really surprising since it has all this fancy seat pan tech to supposedly make it feel really good, except it doesnt actually seem to work, its very stiff. But on top of that, you dont have that "feel like a god" feeling on it either, it doesnt hold you like the Aeron and although you can rock back and forth, it feels like it was not meant to do that. Have you found that there was an adjustment that you didnt do before and that fixed any pains you have?
Had both an Aeron and Embody and I had issues with both. For the Embody specifically though, I’ve had it for over a month and I’ve had so many issues with the top part of the chair pushing my shoulders forward and causing pain. (Apparently this is a common problem with the Embody).
Did you buy the Embody new? If you don’t have the new (Feb 2021 and later) scrim foam padding, I have another video on my channel that talks about adding your own foam to make the seat pan more comfy.
@@comfytechquest In fact, i went to check the papers that came with the chair and there is one that looks to be added afterwards, that says "all new material" "Consisting of" "Polyurethane pad ... 100%". Then has a checkbox where it says "contain no added flame retardant chemicals"
@R LTalk to the reseller, he might be able to still take it. In my case, I also have the 14days return policy so I had to return it earlier. This is extremely limitative as 14 days is not long enough to try it out :/ I am returning my Embody tomorrow. The seller basically took 2 weeks to schedule it but after 6 days I had already sent an email saying I was going to be returning it
Personally, I suffer from neck pain due to a lack of head rest on the Embody. I will be buying and reviewing the Atlas Embody headrest when that gets released this year.
The point about the armrest is something Herman Miller failed at explaining clearly. The way you are adjusting it is incorrect which is why it is cumbersome. The correct way to adjust it is to pull it up and then adjust it. It makes no noise that way. Its disappointing that Herman Miller didn't make this clear to everyone because I hear this on most reviews.
Can you point me to a video showing what you mean? I have tried pulling up (pushing) the button under the armrest, and attempting to pull the armrest up prior to adjustment, with no obvious change to the noise (as far as I can tell). Edit - I've revisited this, and if I pull the armrests up with some force, they do adjust from side to side more smoothly. There's still a little noise and bumpiness, though. Thanks for letting me know about this!
spending months agonising about what chair to buy is more absurd than the price of the chair. could’ve made money with that amount of time that would’ve paid for the chair many times over lol
I went with the approach of initially buying a new Aeron, so I could easily return if unhappy. After returning the Aeron, I then purchased a second hand Embody as I couldn’t quite justify the new Embody price tag, and also because at the time I think only the gaming Embody was available to buy new on the UK.
You overpaid btw. with good negotiating skills you can get a fully equibed new embody down to about 965 pound, maybe even cheaper because they are all shipped trough england.
@@SeeRjED All of them will, just ask nicely. Get multiple offers and play them against each other like the central purchasing in an enterpise would. Worked like a charm for me. Good look.
i got my embody last week and absolutely can sit in it for 14h straight without issues. i like the fact, that it supports movement of my back , which is great after some hours working. and it doesnt make any noises.
Interesting that your chair makes zero noise. Is it the standard or Logitech gaming Embody?
@@comfytechquest it´s the standard version.
Not sure if you've found this out yet, but adjusting the arm rests without that noise is very easy. Just lift up slightly then shift, try it out
Matt - I have given this a try with no luck. I wonder if it's because a.) the chair is 5 years old and showing some wear and tear in this area or b.) 2018-era Embody chairs were noisier. Or perhaps some combination of the above.
Edit - I found that if I pull the armrests up with some force, the noise reduces when adjusting side to side, but is not eliminated. Anyway, thanks for dropping the tip here!
I narrowed down my choice to Aeron and Embody and then went to the store and sat in both of them. I was leaning towards Embody, but the moment I sat in Aeron, it felt like sitting on a cloud. I totally agree that reclining on Aeron is amazing and the chair feels more premium in terms of materials. I almost went ahead and bought a used Aeron online, while still at the HM store. Then, when the sales rep left for a moment, I spent a bit more time in both chairs. I realized that while Embody doesn't have that "wow" factor... it just subtly feels better over time. The sales rep confirmed that Embody is rated for the longest sitting time in their line up at 11 hours (I didn't ask about Aeron specifically, but other HM chairs are rated at 8 hours).
Great review, I think you just confirmed my suspicions from a brief interaction with both chairs!
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment, Oleg! Sounds like we are on the same page - I wasn’t aware of the ratings you mention, so thanks for sharing that!
i feel neck and shoulder pain after i sit on embody 3 days now, will it improve?
That's exactly my experience as well. NGL the embody was my dream chair for quite a few years now (since I heard of the premium chair market).
This summer I tried them both. Aeron first was a huge wow factor, sitting on a cloud as you said. Then the embody after that didn't felt as "dreamy" at first. But after ~40-45 minutes switching from one to another (and yes, it's not enough for a thorough test but you can only do as much in a store), I was sold on the Embody.
I'll have my chair delivered in ~2 months
Mine was the opposite. Went to the store with the Aeron in mind, fell in love with the Embody and ended up getting it. No regrets
@@justindpeak i’m 2 weeks with my embody now, what a great gift to myself
I was on the fence between the Aeron and the Embody when I was choosing which one to get. Something about the Logitech Embody caught my eye. I have been sitting on it for 3 weeks for 8-12hours/day 7 days a week and I have had no pain in my back/tailbone. The Embody is by far the best chair money can buy...just my opinion. thanks.
Great to hear the Logitech Embody is working out for you!! I wonder if the extra foam in that chair vs. the standard Embody helps relieve tailbone pressure? I am considering adding foam to mine.
Good to hear, gonna get this chair. I got some back tailbone pain while getting up recently.
How is the logitech embody chair performing after one year?
I hated the armrests on the embody, they are way too far forward, cant level with the desk and sit close to it for tasking. Terrible armrest adjustments, can't change the depth and not nearly as sort as the aeron. Didn't like the curvature of the backrest as well, but that's personal preference and body type.
Same dilema here...choosing is hard.
I just bought an Aeron and I noticed something very important I want to share. The size, A,B,C matters quite a bit it seems. I'm 6'1'' 175lbs, and I NEEDED a size C. In some reviews, I see people with their shoulders ABOVE the top of the backrest. The top of my shoulders are BELOW the top of the backrest with my C. This leads me to believe they are in a size B when then should be in a C. I think this is also what leads people to say the seat rim bothers the back of their legs. Another note is I have slim legs and I noticed there is not much space between my thighs and the rim of the seat. If I had bigger thighs, I can see this may be an issue, however for my size it cradles me perfectly. I can even cross my legs or put one foot up on the lip with no discomfort. The posture fit was something that needed to be dialed in (like everything on the Aeron) and it now feels great after I dialed in the tilt tension as well. Tilt tension I think may be the most important thing to getting the cloud like feel on the Aeron. It is based off your weight, which leads me to believe a larger person using a size B will have a less than optimal experience. In converse, my much smaller girlfriend cannot comfortably engage the lean on the size C. One last thing, on the Aeron the forward tilt feature is dope if you are a gamer that likes to lean forward on your keyboard and mouse. The Aeron follows me upright and forward and then all the way back when I die and stretch. The tilt tension adjust is truly the key to this chairs comfort. I have it dialed in to feel like a cloud and I am truly impressed. TLDR: The size of the Aeron seems to matter quite a bit, and I think more people need a size C than realize. I also think wider people may find something like the Embody more comfy due to the width of the size C Aeron being narrow. Hope this helps you fellow chair hunters!
I agree 100%. I tried the Aeron B as the HM guide and rep suggested and then compared with the Embody. The Embody was beyond better, but then I realised it was because the B did not support my shoulders at all, whilst the Embody did. I have broad shoulders from working out and the sizing guide doesn't account for this, only height and weight. I switched to the Aeron C and it was now on par with the Embody.
I agree that Aeron sizing is very important, but that doesn't mean that there is a size for everyone. In my case (185cm/6 feet 1 inch tall, 80KG weight), I tried both the Aeron size B and C (which I should have mentioned in the video). I ended up concluding the following:
Aeron Remastered Size B: frame sticks into the top of my back when I stretch, limiting my movement.
Aeron Remastered Size C: the mesh is too loose for me, meaning I get insufficient back support.
@@comfytechquest same conclusions for me, 180cm 55kg.
Sat in an Embody, Aeron, Leap v2, and Gesture yesterday in the showroom. Now I know sizing and personal fit can be subjective but I am 5'10 150 pounds for reference so kinda right there in the middle of height and weight.
The Embody has quite a long and wide seat pad, if that matters to you. People on the heavier or taller side will definitely appreciate this feature. The Leap and Gesture competes with it in this area but don't quite match it. The Aeron you would need to test yourself in your Size A,B,C setup but the B was just about perfect for me. It was extremely comfortable in your standard upright office tasking position, possibly the best out of all the chairs. It was very supportive and loungey almost which was surprising for a taught mesh chair and plastic bucket seat. However the edge of that bucket seat you can feel on the underside of your legs and this is where the other chairs come out as superior for at home coziness if you're going to be using the chair for things other than office tasks like watching movies.
Ultimately I went with the Leap V2 because he had an excellent condition used black one fully loaded for $450. The Aeron (new) with Atlas headrest was over $1600.... I could not justify that premium. Also I am coming from a mesh Hykken and knew I did not want mesh again. There is something cozy and plush about fabric and feels much better on the skin too. You can sit in almost any position in the Leap/Embody/Gesture and you will be comfortable while the Aeron is very much a racecar tasking position although it is supreme in THAT one sitting position.
I would go with the Embody over the Aeron for at home use. It is "cozier" as already stated by default due to the fabric and wide seat which allows many alternate sitting positions. The Aeron is the supreme office tasking chair when you need to get down to business.
I am still in my Embody, one year later, and plan to provide an update video once the Embody Atlas headrest is launched next year. Looking at your comment - I can see Aeron B being perfect for 5 feet 10 inches. I have never tried the Leap V2 but might give it a shot one day, thanks for the comment!
@@comfytechquest Not a problem! Happy to give back some of my experience. My buddy is going through the same process.
I totally get your point. I finally took an appointment with the only Herman Miller dealer in my area and went 2 days ago. Got an hour to talk and try both the Aeron and the Embody.
Both felt amazing, really, and like you said the "wow factor" is certainly a bit higher on the Aeron. But the embody has this feeling of effortlessness when you sit on it, you sit as you want, not as the seat wants you to seat. The front frame of the Aeron seat also bothered me a tiny bit in the ~30 minutes I was on it (tried them both for 10-12 minutes then switched a lot to evaluate), that made me a little afraid it would only feel worse in the long term.
An finally being tall (6’6’’ or 198cm) the backrest of the Embody just felt better to me. I ordered one yesterday and will be delivered end october. Can’t wait for my new chair.
Thanks for the comment! How are you finding the Embody?
@@comfytechquest as I said in my comment, delivered end october and we are still in september. Thanks for reminding me of the wait, I almost forgot my future chair 😅
@@thierryfaquet7405 d’oh! Hope it arrives early or at least on time, looking forward to hearing how you get on 😃
@@comfytechquest 2 weeks with my chair at home. It’s just amazing. Truely on another level from all my previous "average" chair.
I still don’t know if it’s THE best chair out there, but it certainly must be one of the best.
Fits me very well but I will order the atlas headrest for it for when I’m fully reclined head is a bit too heavy in this position for watching a tv show/movie/youtube
@@thierryfaquet7405 since the Embody Atlas headrest is launching very soon, looking forward to hearing how you get on with it. I've ordered mine :)
I’ve sat in over 25 different high end chairs from Humanscale, Steelcase Gesture and other variants / models, to the Herman Miller Aeron. I like to sit with my legs farther apart and the Aeron plastic on the sides dug into my quads, Nothing has felt as good as the Embody. I’m sitting in mine right now as I type this,
Thanks for sharing that - that’s a LOT of chairs!!
Does your back hurt if you sit on the chair for more than an hour. I bought the embody chair a week ago and it’s not easy on my back. I have a L5-s1 disc herniation.
@@dragonsan7577 I find that I need to frequently switch between the highest tilt lock position, and a slightly leant back position. If I just stay in one position, I get sore too.
@@comfytechquest Thanks. I will do the same.
Embody >>>>>> Aeron. He’s, I tried both. The Embody was more comfortable for me. Have not regretted it at all. I have a secondary chair, the Steelcase Amia, great chair as well.
Great to hear that you are also an Embody fan! How does the Steelcase Amia compare - any notable differences?
"no chair can fix not exercising" amen
It's just the tip of the iceberg, though. Been getting more new problems other than my back. Can't fuck around anymore with my health.. just turned 36.
We are the same age, my friend! I am considering doing a video or two on “what I do outside of the chair” to help my back, given that this is a key part of being comfy in a chair. Thoughts?
@@comfytechquest I mean it's a good project idea. You could also try what others suggest and document the results
I had a chance to sit and compare both chairs few days ago. They are both fairly comfortable and good support for my back which is great for a chronic back injury patient like myself. But one thing I found aeron maybe a better choice for me is, embody has a narrower and rounder backrest when aeron is much wider. I have round back posture issue and I can keep my shoulders open in aeron. I don't see people talk much about the different curveness and backrest wideness but I guess it's worth to mention.
Thanks for the comment! Yes, I do agree that in the Embody, my shoulders feel very slightly “closed”. In my case I counteract that by frequently stretching and pushing against the backrest. The more I move, the happier my back :-)
I gave up the idea of finding the perfect anything quite a long time ago. The Embody X Logitech G certainly comes close enough, so it’s now my favorite chair, after owning it for about a month. I contacted Herman Miller directly to ask about a headrest. I was informed HM doesn’t design headrests for any of their chairs because ergonomics would be compromised. Using one’s neck and upper body muscles is apparently more conducive to a healthy posture.
I appreciate your review!
I can see how using a headrest all the time would indeed compromise ergonomics. However, I also think folks should be given the choice to use one when fully reclined - IMO, that position doesn’t really lend itself to tasking anyway - it’s more of a “sit back and think” scenario.
Re. Logitech Embody - the more recommendations I see for this, the more I think about adding foam to my standard Embody :-).
@@bathawes how do you plan on adding foam?
@@MiroAcronymity you can unhook the fabric from the seat pan and add foam underneath. I was considering creating a mini video talking this through, would that be of interest?
I'd really appreciate this as I have just ordered the Embody Gaming chair and am aware that the lack of foam near the front is going to be a problem - I like a relatively deep seat.
@@comfytechquest
@@comfytechquest Yeah that'll definitely be a useful vid. There's some discussion of the foam not going all the way to the extended seat pan depth (for non-UK embodys) so this may be a way to alleviate that problem.
I believe that, deep down, most people choose the Embody chair because of its attractive design. If we removed that differential appeal, no one would choose it because it is less adjustable, makes noise, has more plastic, and generally, everyone perceives it as of lower quality. However, the mind needs to justify something illogical because, in reality, the purpose of an office chair should be quality and comfort before an attractive design. In the end, humans end up making more emotional than logical decisions.
I’m not so sure. I moved away from the Aeron as I didn’t like the back support - I found that with the Aeron B, the frame dug into my shoulders if leaning back. With the Aeron C, I found the mesh too saggy for my liking. As noted in this video, I preferred other aspects of the Aeron, such as the arm rests (which I love).
For your back- get a rogue reverse hyper. It does wonders. Use it every other day
I went with the Aeron Remastered for 2 reasons. 1, it's newly designed and much better for posture correctness and 2. I like the style better bonus 3. I prefer mesh, even though I get cold easy, because it lessens the pressure on my body.
I would love to sit in an embody but based on these 3 simple things, I chose the Aeron. Bonus, it helps that Aeron has Atlas making headrests but Atlas has notated they are releasing a headrest for the Embody at some point. So stay on the look out.
Yup, the Atlas Headrest for the Embody is out now (and installed on my chair 😄)
I tried out both chairs, and while I really wanted to like the Aeron, I ended up going for the Embody for the exact same reason as you.
Thanks for watching and sharing that - how is the Embody working out for you?
embody arms rests move loads better by lifting them up when you move them.
I ended up recording a RUclips short when someone else pointed this out to me! Thanks for the reply and for visiting the channel :)
I have had an embody for a good year now and am trying the aeron as the embody is really aggravating my lower back and I feel it’s adding to my si joint pain. It’s also giving me bum pain after a while as the seat isn’t very plump and that’s with some extra foam I put in. This is the Logitech gaming edition. I have ordered a size c aeron remaster and am 182cm and 80kg hoping it will be ok
Interesting. I'd be keen to know how you get on with the Aeron size C. I'm very similar height/weight to yourself (185cm/80kg) and I didn't particularly rate the upper back support on the C. On the Aeron B, I found that the upper frame dug into my back if I leant back but in hindsight, I think perhaps the B was a better fit for me overall.
@@comfytechquest well so far it isn’t great it’s really pissing my lower back off. I’m not sure I can take much more and it looks like it’s going back
I'm 182 and 85-90kg and size b is much better for me.
I just got one 4 days ago and initially hated it because the lumbar region dug into my back but it just takes a while to break in. I did push hard on the area a few times which seemed to help. I think over time the back of the chair molds to your own back.
I've found that to be comfy, I have to consciously ensure I place the bottom of my spine right up against the back of the chair (no slouching whatsoever). From time to time I'll notice I'm not doing this, adjust, and feel instant relief. I'd be keen to hear how you are getting on now (1 month later).
Thanks for the deep review. I’m spending hours trying to choose between the 2 and this helps. I do think you could use a better microphone and get rid of the annoying background music, would be a lot easier to listen.
Cheers for the feedback - glad it helped.
@@comfytechquest I liked the music, just needed to be less pronounced compared to your voice. Honestly, just up the voice don't reduce the music. Also, the intro was really loud compared to the video. I'm being lazy and not checking if others have said this sorry haha. Overall though? Fantastic review I loved the detail you went into. I'm also a recliner and have bought the Atlas headrest for my classic aeron on your recommendation, thanks mate!
@@anotherpolo1143 great stuff - I hope you love that head rest as much as I did!
Interesting. The first week with my Embody was painful. I had to move the backrest all the way up to support my upper back, so nothing would poking in my back's mid-section. It's slowly getting better though. Doesn't feel like those plastic fingers aren't poking me that much, anymore.
Interesting - did you decide to keep the Embody? And out of interest, do you sit with the chair locked fully upright?
Also ordered an Embody x Logitech like 2 weeks ago. Unfortunately I got no notification on the delivery date but I'm very excited. I also read that Atlas will release a headrest for the Embody in a few month.
I've been told 9-12 months for the Atlas Embody headrest. But I hope your estimate is closer ;-).
You don’t need a headrest for this chair. I have the gaming version and I’ve been sitting in the chair for 1 month for 10-12hrs/day 7 days a week and I don’t feel like I need a headrest. The way the chair is designed, your shoulder blades are always pressed up against the back of the chair when you get adjusted to the chair (with proper posture). With your shoulder-blades pressed up against the back of the chair your head sits perfectly in the middle and you don’t need the headrest. I would not get a headrest for the Embody because if HM doesn’t sell it then I don’t need it. I’m also not going to drill anything in my chair and void the warranty. You will be extremely happy with your Logitech Embody gaming chair. I have no complaints about the chair and I can sit in the chair all day for hours on end without having the need to stand up and relax my back. I don’t know if this is a placebo or if it is really doing what I think it’s doing. I don’t think that you can mentally dismiss pain on your body if it’s present. That’s why I think this chair is superior to all other chairs and come on, this chair looks like something out of a futuristic movie. I bet this is the next chair that will be in the MOMA along with the Aeron eventually. The Embody has only been out since 2009 and the Aeron has been out since 1994 so there’s a major gap. In due time, I think the Embody will catch up to the Aeron and to be honest, I think the Embody is far better looking than the Aeron. Thanks.
@@iHustleLXXXI I would say that opinion on whether a headrest is needed for the Embody is divided and subjective. Personally, I do like to recline back from time to time, and I do find myself missing a headrest.
I would be surprised if an Atlas headrest would require causing any damage (e.g. drilling) to the chair given that their Aeron headrest can be fitted with zero damage to the chair.
PSA FOR TALL PEOPLE: I'm 6 foot 4 inches tall (4.5 inches to be technical). So my Torso and Legs are both "longer than the average Human. OUT OF ALL THE HERMAN MILLERS THE EMBODY FITS ME BEST. WHY? I have a bad back and the Embody literally HAS THE BEST BACK SUPPORT, once you learn how to adjust it and get used to it. I don't find a Headrest needed if you are spending less than 5ish hours a day in the chair, if you are spending more and are 6'4" or taller, IMO the headrest is MANDATORY to complete the chair.
Hey, thank you so much for your video I have been trying to get me an answer weather I buy the embody or not. Now I clearly will order the embody tomorrow. Thanks again!
Thanks for the comment, I’m keen to hear how YOU find it 😊
I have the Aeron Remastered but I would instantly get the Embody if they make a remastered version for it. It desperately needs it as it is extremely dated. Needs new arms as well as possibly a better system for the seat pan adjustment and flex. Overall making the chair less clunky and less noisy. They did very well with the Aeron's remastered update, the Embody need's that same treatment.
If you lift up slightly on the embody arms, they become much easier to adjust from side to side :)
Thank you so much! I've never heard this anywhere, but this is so true, it works!
@@Livaa08 its called using your brain. Its a lever...
@@alexworm1707 Yes. Armrest is a Lever. Yes.
If you do what? Please do elaborate :)
Good video, I definitely will try them out for myself before making any decisions.
Absolutely, you can't completely trust some random guy on RUclips ;)
Does the embody round your shoulders forward? The top part of the backrest is concave...is this intentional?
Personally, I like to keep the back fit support reasonably loose, to avoid the Embody pushing my shoulders forward. If I tighten the back fit then I do get undesirable rounding.
Excellent review. Thank You. I have narrowed it down to Embody and Hawthorn Fern. Have you heard of or trialed the Fern ?
Thanks Lisa! I had not heard of the Hawthorn Fern before, so will definitely check that out! :)
I got the zody their other high end chair which is allegedly more comfortable than the fern and I found it to be a very poor seating experience zero back support and it tries to get you to lean back the whole time.
you think the aeron has "god like" armrests? the steelcase leap v2 armrests are the best in the industry with full 4D positioning.
Although this is a chair i got used for £160 (RRP is £860) as I am currently waiting for my custom order with HM for an embody.
Medley 60167, White Frame, Full Aluminium top spec paid around £1354 as its new.
Good to know! I haven't tried the steelcase leap v2 first hand, but will certainly keep in mind that it has awesome arm rests :)
This video was pretty high quality for a brand new channel. I was in the same boat, I also saw these two chairs as being my endgame for a long time and finally got myself a used Aeron a couple of years back and hated it. This was because the seat didn't let me sit on my foot and I also didn't like the arms because they curved too much when relaxing and that made it hard to game for long periods when not sitting totally upright. I was then considering the Embody but with the used office furniture market not really having any Embodys and with the lack of headrest support I decided to go for the Steelcase Gesture with headrest.
Thanks for the kind words, James!! Interesting to hear you mention that your feet there - I found that I was way more comfortable in the Aeron when using a foot rest, and don’t rely anywhere near as much on my foot rest with the Embody.
How is your Steelcase chair working out?
man you had me sweating for a while watching this since I have an Embody on the way, interesting to see that the Embody's armrest's are less adjustable than the Aeron I thought it was the other way around. But I do think I have similar things with the back and the Embody will be a better solution for my upper back where most of my problem is. You should be happy to know that Atlas are making a head rest for the Embody as well, or may already have it out by now.
I think the Embody Atlas headrest will start shipping in 2023. Are you still using an Embody?
@@comfytechquest yes sir best chair ever. I did see an Atlas headrest video somewhere, shall get one when its out. thanks for following up
@@AnzorKhawaj yup, I’ve been in touch with Atlas and they are targeting end of CY22/start of 23 to launch the Embody Headrest. I’m well excited 😊
Thanks for your opinion. I've used Aeron in the past and felt the same about the top part of back support. Now I'm looking at Embody x Logitech Gaming and it's on sale for 1200 now, so seems to be a good deal
Thanks for the comment! Did you go for the Embody gaming chair in the end?
@@comfytechquest yes, I got embody now and I'm so happy about it. The quest for the chair is over. It's good for me in every way
Well done video - subscribed!
Great video, thank you
Omg, I really liked your Cannon in D electronic edition background. Maybe a thing to point out would be to decrease background volume, it feels sometimes to deliver too much information to the viewer (your voice + visual content vs. sfx/music). Nevertheless your video is really nice! Thanks for your notes on these chairs
Good to have another fan of that track visiting my channel :). I hear you, and think the issue is also that my voice wasn't loud enough in this video. I'm looking to fix this for my next upload.
Try some silicone spray for the creaks. It worked for me.
Are you able to share more info on where to spray the silicone? This sounds like a potentially great tip that I haven't heard/read before.
So… HM needs to make an Aeron remastered seat with an Embody back.
Completely agreed that would be the perfect chair!
If they do i really hope the lumbar support will be adjustable then
Are you still happy with your choice?
No plans to swap the chair yet! I ended up adding some padding to the armrests, and still plan to get the Atlas Embody headrest when that launches. I will likely post an update video at some point during the next 1-2 months.
Most people don't mention the seat bottom "suspension" on the embody which imo is amazing and better than the aeron. As for the armrests, the only feature I need is that they go lower than my thighs to slide under my desk which both chairs can do
Totally agree with this comment! Although the back is quite firm, the seat pan DOES give that nice "ahhhhh" feeling when parking your behind :)
Oooh not for me the seat pan after a while really hurts my bum, and that’s with some added foam
Hi! Late comment, but recently got a regular Embody after watching your reviews and wanted to ask if there was a transition period for you in terms of getting used to the chair? I upgraded from a Sayl! I ask because I notice my hamstrings feeling pressure when sitting on the Embody and not sure if its a seat height/depth issue or a “Im not used to sitting in the Embody” issue yet. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for the comment! I would hazard a guess that it’s a height/depth adjustment thing. I remember making adjustments there when I first got the chair, but haven’t felt any hamstring issues since then, whatsoever. Hope you manage to find the cause.
Nice detailed review, 👍 I've been agonising over these 2 chairs myself as well, I'm leaning toward the Embody (logitech). Do you know what the overall depth of the chair is? (front seat edge to outermost edge of the frame on the back) It's one detail I can't seem to find, HM site only gives seat pan depth. Want to make sure it'll fit through my doors when I eventually bite the bullet.
If you chose the embody you might consider just getting the regular one. Apparently the logitech ones padding is a different material that's not as nice.
When I’m not sat in it, my standard Embody is about 65cm from the front seat edge to the back of the “pillar” support part of the frame.
@@comfytechquest Awesome, thanks! 👍
Golden Sun? Now I have to find a way to play it again, thanks a lot.
But really, thanks for the review, I'm the same boat as you in everything except height :)
Great review, I Subscribed
Thanks for the sub!! :)
ty for video
No problem, glad you liked it!!
Nice video! The Embody is a comfortable chair but it doesn't force you to sit in an active position. Didn't you experience that.
Hey there. I find myself switching between the most upright locked position, and a non-locked natural recline position. This works well for me. My only slight gripe with this is that the armrests are too long, as I like to have them level with the desk (putting them below the desk is a non-option for me as it results in tired shoulders). My ideal setup would be to have an Embody with armrests that go forward and back (like the Aerson Remastered armrests), allowing me to sit right up against the desk.
Great review but please turn off the music next time so we can hear you more clearly.
Cheers for the kind words!! I’ll try using my standalone mic (as opposed to iPhone) next time. I figured the video would be dull without background music, but will consider turning that off!
please make more videos
Thanks for the comment! Are there particular videos/topics you would like me to cover?
Some reviewers say that the emobody pushes your shoulders forward. Would you agree on that? Did you had problems with forwarded shoulders in general (before herman miller chairs)?
I would agree with that, when the back fit is tightened. Personally, I find the chair most comfy with the backfit loose, and tilt tension reasonably tight. I may do a video to explain this if folks would find that helpful.
I recently got a Aeron remastered (B). It's fairly comfortable, but I can also only sit in it for a short time, mostly limited by the mesh.
I'm interested in the Embody, but i'm afraid i'm too tall for it. I'm 6', and seeing as you're 6'1", do you feel like the back rest is large enough for you? I've read about people around this length having issues with their shoulders being pushed forward too much, and they feel like they are a bit too large for the chair.
Hey there - I found the Aeron size B too small for me because the upper plastic frame digs in when I lean back. I do find myself longing for a headrest in the Embody, particularly when reclining. I would say the actual back rest feels about the right height for me. Edit: forgot to mention that I’m 6 ft 1 (185cm).
hello. would you recommend the embody for rear shoulder blade pain? from mouse shoulder my delts get sore...do you think the aeron or the embody would be better for the shoulders?
I’d say the Aeron would provide a softer feel for your shoulders due to the mesh material. Personally, I went for the Embody primarily because I wanted the firmer upper back support. But I do not suffer from the shoulder issue you describe. Hope that helps.
Good video, use a lot more b roll for better engagement and avd
Thanks for the tip - have tried adding some extra b roll in the latest vid. Nice one!
embody seat is unbareable for me lol. mine must have been broken or no padding because it was literally harder then hard wood. coming from a secretlabs chair which arent known for being soft. it made the embody logitech look like a freaking brick LOL!!
Do you mean the seat pan or back?
If you mean the pan, it’s very easy to add custom foam - there’s a video on this channel on how to do that 😊
@@comfytechquest the seat itself! the back is so good! it’s just the seat is so hard for me. i think i’ll look into that. unless i’m just in the adjustment period or break in. but i read that the logitech has extra added padding in the seat, couldn’t imagine the normal embody then lol
it’s like i’m hitting the hard bit at the bottom but i’m not heavy or anything so im not sure what’s going on, i think extra foam is something i’ll definitely look into
@Snxgur here’s the video, maybe worth taking a look at whether there’s a big enough gap for custom foam - Herman Miller Embody - adding your own foam (SUPER easy!)
ruclips.net/video/ajHjDt9Vf6o/видео.html
Gosh I was watching all kinds of reviews and MOST of them said to get the Aeron. I originally wanted the embody because I like the looks of it more but I need to make sure I prioritized the comfort and ability to sit for 8+ hours at a time since I work from home. Now knowing your experience I am even more confused. WHICH ONE DO I GET???
Quite honestly you need to try it for yourself. Ensure you buy from somewhere that has a decent returns policy. If you don’t like the chair after a week of use, I’d say it’s reasonably unlikely that you’ll start liking it IMO.
@@comfytechquest I actually have bought the embody since I made this comment and I love it so far. I can’t tell if the chair is awesome or if it is just so much better than my racing style gaming chair I’ve been sitting in for the last few years. I appreciate the review!
@@theabominablesmokeman8296 Which model did you go for? Is it noisy? I'm considering the Logitech version but I've seen a few reviews mention that it's quite creaky. I think it's the only one you can buy direct from HM atm.
@@Unexplained_Bacon I got the Logitech version. It is quieter than the racer style chair that I did have but it does make noise when I lean back. The noise doesn’t bother me but if that’s something that is annoying to you I would consider it before buying. Other than that I can’t think of anything I dislike about the embody. That’s my experience from sitting 8-12 hours a day in it for a week or so now.
@@theabominablesmokeman8296 how is the logitech embody performing after one year?
Do you have any updates regarding the chair now (after a couple months)? Do you still prefer it over the aeron?
I would say overall yes, I do still prefer the Embody having owned it for 2 months. However I have not changed my mind about the headrest (I want one) and Embody armrests (they are too long, and don’t go back far enough vs. Aeron Remastered). If folks are interested I will do an update video.
@@comfytechquest yes please
I’d like an update as well!
@@comfytechquest I just put the Embody armrests low enough beneath the desk height so I move closer to the desk and put my arms on the desk.
I was really sad sending my Aeron back. The seat sides would start to dig into the sides of my ass after a few hours, which sucked. Everything else, I loved. Whenever I was sitting in it I felt like a god, its REALLY good.
I got the Embody now and I dont have the problem I had with the Aeron, however, everything else sucks. My ass now hurts at the center (laterally) and furthest place back, right at the 90 degree zone, so I guess this one is also going back. This was really surprising since it has all this fancy seat pan tech to supposedly make it feel really good, except it doesnt actually seem to work, its very stiff. But on top of that, you dont have that "feel like a god" feeling on it either, it doesnt hold you like the Aeron and although you can rock back and forth, it feels like it was not meant to do that.
Have you found that there was an adjustment that you didnt do before and that fixed any pains you have?
Had both an Aeron and Embody and I had issues with both. For the Embody specifically though, I’ve had it for over a month and I’ve had so many issues with the top part of the chair pushing my shoulders forward and causing pain. (Apparently this is a common problem with the Embody).
Did you buy the Embody new? If you don’t have the new (Feb 2021 and later) scrim foam padding, I have another video on my channel that talks about adding your own foam to make the seat pan more comfy.
@@comfytechquest Its brand new. From September 2021
@@comfytechquest In fact, i went to check the papers that came with the chair and there is one that looks to be added afterwards, that says "all new material" "Consisting of" "Polyurethane pad ... 100%". Then has a checkbox where it says "contain no added flame retardant chemicals"
@R LTalk to the reseller, he might be able to still take it. In my case, I also have the 14days return policy so I had to return it earlier. This is extremely limitative as 14 days is not long enough to try it out :/
I am returning my Embody tomorrow. The seller basically took 2 weeks to schedule it but after 6 days I had already sent an email saying I was going to be returning it
i feel a neck pain after i sit on embody for 3 days
Personally, I suffer from neck pain due to a lack of head rest on the Embody. I will be buying and reviewing the Atlas Embody headrest when that gets released this year.
Embody. The choice is easy.
The point about the armrest is something Herman Miller failed at explaining clearly. The way you are adjusting it is incorrect which is why it is cumbersome. The correct way to adjust it is to pull it up and then adjust it. It makes no noise that way. Its disappointing that Herman Miller didn't make this clear to everyone because I hear this on most reviews.
Can you point me to a video showing what you mean? I have tried pulling up (pushing) the button under the armrest, and attempting to pull the armrest up prior to adjustment, with no obvious change to the noise (as far as I can tell).
Edit - I've revisited this, and if I pull the armrests up with some force, they do adjust from side to side more smoothly. There's still a little noise and bumpiness, though. Thanks for letting me know about this!
It would be nice if you actually show the chair.
Thanks for the tip! I will make sure to include more chair in future uploads :)
The Aeron is better suited for short people imo
Indeed, I imagine a shorter person is less likely to the issue of the frame digging into one's upper back.
spending months agonising about what chair to buy is more absurd than the price of the chair. could’ve made money with that amount of time that would’ve paid for the chair many times over lol
You are not wrong!
@@comfytechquest but at the same time, a more comfortable chair makes you more productive so hmm
I went with the approach of initially buying a new Aeron, so I could easily return if unhappy. After returning the Aeron, I then purchased a second hand Embody as I couldn’t quite justify the new Embody price tag, and also because at the time I think only the gaming Embody was available to buy new on the UK.
I almost bought an embody till I saw comments like “spending 1500 to sit” and “spend 1500 on a chair or spend 300 and have 1200 to show off.”
Indeed, this is why I went for a second hand Embody. I haven't yet been able to justify spending $1400 on sitting.
Good review. Terrible audio.
Thanks for taking the time to share your feedback! I’ll use a better mic next time :-)
You overpaid btw. with good negotiating skills you can get a fully equibed new embody down to about 965 pound, maybe even cheaper because they are all shipped trough england.
Do you recommend any online retailers in the UK who would negotiate over a new Herman Miller?
@@SeeRjED All of them will, just ask nicely. Get multiple offers and play them against each other like the central purchasing in an enterpise would.
Worked like a charm for me. Good look.
@@philipp594 Thanks for the advice will for sure give that a shot. Cheers!
@@SeeRjED Only suckers pay full price on high margin items like most cars and furnature :p
965 new? Good work!!
Nothing outstanding about the aeron
Serious question - have you found a chair with a better recline than an Aeron?
the Embody is not welcome in my home, too ugly.
Interesting perspective! Which chair IS welcome in your home? :)