Show notes! 1. "That made the war inevitable" t-shirts: bit.ly/2S9bxMX 2. The beyliks in Anatolia are a big, fat, never-going-away problem. Multiple sources describe their history and diplomatic relations with the Ottomans, Mamluks, and Safavids differently, so I am happy we don't need to deal with them anymore. 3. In general, sources for this period are a mess. For instance, Iranian and Azerbaijani sources claim that Qara xan won a battle against the Ottomans in the Eastern Anatolia, the Turkish sources claim that the Ottomans won it, while the Arab sources assert that Ismail didn't send anyone to help the Mamluks. One of the sources even claims that the Ottomans and the Safavids signed a peace treaty in 1515, while others vehemently reject that idea and assert that the war continued until 1555. 4. The same goes for the battles of the Ottoman-Mamluk War. They are a mess - numbers, tactics, details. 5. I wonder if there is an interest for an episode on the Safavid-Portuguese war, which was happening simultaneously.
TTT135 Seriously, whenever I play as the Ottomans, even with cheats it’s too difficult to expand as much as the Ottoman Empire expanded in real life. The Ottomans were the first hackers in history and I love it.
When Selim The Stern died Pope said “The Lion is dead The Sheep is on the throne” but there was a bigger problem because “Sheep” was Suleiman The Magnificent
lol reminds me of the Greek world celebrating the death of Philip II thinking they'd be able to regain their independence with a young king on the throne.
Suleiman is the starter of fall of the empire with Hurrem leading the way. Mustapha should be the next leader to conquer Vienna and that would be the end of Holy Roman empire which leads the way for a new red apple like Paris or London. But instead sari selim came to power who is a total disrespect to his grandfather Selim the first. Hurrem was a great agent of crusaders i always believe. She managed to stop ottomans and made the empire decline putting many christian descendants into governmental positions. May Allah put Selim the first and other conqueror sultans into eternal heaven.
*Ottomans double their territory and gain access to valuable trade routes through Egypt and Syria, large urban centres, a larger tax base as well as the fertile valley of the Nile* Hungary: fuk
Götz von Berlichingen U known Only Hussars 😂 Why ur hussars not arrived in Battle Of Nicopolis? Fall Of Constantinople? Hacova ? 1 and 2 Kosova War ? Belgard , Budin , Vidin , Gallipoli , Szigetwar , Estergom and More ... - Hussar’s keep dream , Second Wien war is your success in our mistakes...
@@Vitalis94 It usually wasn't smart though. Killing envoys just meant you'd get less information from the battlefield. Hardly serves much purpose other than to send a message.
i wonder how much of history we are told are facts. As one would generally get different versions of any eye witnessed incident(small or large) by different people. Also humans being biased sometimes even without realizing is very common.
I think human bias is unavoidable. Even attempting to understanding bias has not helped us reducing them as we are all emotional and cling to the side that we believe are right. In some of K&G videos alone, we already saw so much disagreements and rages over events of thousand years ago, one cannot imagine how hard it is to be objective and fair-judged for all sides as a contemporary. But that's exactly why we need conflicting sources. Because from the sea of conflicts, we see both contradictions and overlaps. And through these conflicts, we see what makes sense and what isn't. Maybe even through careful examination, some of the stories are still lies. But these lies will be slowly filtered and filtered out through further examination, real-life application and the power of common sense. Even the best lie can't stand the test of thousand years and of thousand historians. So I am not really worried about whether the history we are taught is fact (Even if it isn't, there is no one who can claim so anyway). As long as conflicting sources emerge itself and went through careful examination of tens of generations, the truth will emerge.
Honestly, this one felt borderline absurd. Missing (or inventing) entire Persian army? In XVI century? During a major war, resulting in, allegedly, a battle? Someone really dropped the ball at the time.
The Persians lost many battles, but when the Persians started to avoid battle, the Turks wound up losing 30,000 men from starvation and thirst. Even when Suleiman tried to get Tamasp's brother Alqas Mirza to lead a rebellion, no Persian joined him and Alqas was imprisoned.
@@Tareltonlives oh really!? Tahmaseb defeated Suleiman and his commanders Ebrahim Pasha, Eskandar Pasha, and Sinan Pasha for four times.Please read the history without intent. In any case, why should the Iranian people have helped Alghas Mirza, who had taken refuge in the Ottoman Empire!? He was a traitor and deserved to die. Like what Soleiman did with his son and his children in Iran
Can you make a video about "Barbarossa" Hayreddin Pasha? He started as a pirate with his brothers, took almost all North Africa and gifted to the sultan and became the governor and Admiral of Ottoman Navy (which was the only time Ottomans were actually powerful at sea) Or better yet make a video about him and his biggest rival Italian Andrea Doria. They were the greatest sailors and admirals of their times and their rivalry literally shaped history
You should really make a video about Barbarossa's great rivaly with the famed English sailor "Jack Sparrow". Their great rivalry is definitely worth a video! Jokes aside, Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha is really a man to admire. Imagine starting out as a low level pirateer, rising to the rank to command a fleet of pirates, conquering most of North Africa and then rising to hold one of the 5 most powerful ranks in the Ottoman Empire during its prime. Now that's definitely worth a video...
@HT No I didn't just mean Battle of Preveza. I meant his whole life, his years as pirate, how he took North Africa and everything. He is a very interesting historical figure and I think Kings and Generals Channel can make a series about him and his counterpart Andrea Doria. Would be super fun to watch
When Selim I conquered the Mamluk Sultanate he acquired the title _The_ _Ruler_ _of_ _The_ _Two_ _Holy_ _Cities_ (Mecca and Medina; Islam's holy cities) but he humbly changed it into _The_ _Servant_ _of_ _The_ _Two_ _Holy_ _Cities_ .
Actually this proverb is from Persian poet; Saadi Shirazi (1210-1292), which those days his books (Gulistan and Bustan) were kids formal educational books, from India to Anatolia.
@737PilotDocSportelloLovesShastaFay Do u know how mameluks called themselves in arabic ? Ed-Devletü Türkiyye which means Türkiye Devleti in english State of Turkey.
While watching this series I have gained so much respect for the Ottomans, God damn they had enemies, left, right, center, above and below and they still managed to do so much.
Ottomans were a super state! From a tent to an empire! Ottomans will revive in another form! They are alive!! Not dead! Theur grandchildren ruling Turkey today!
@@alihanyalcn7073 They were near-dead at that point because they lost support of the Muslim world (for various reasons and not always justifiably) and were forced into an alliance with the weaker Christian faction.
@@bilalbadar1438 with or without support of muslims Ottomans were weak in 1800 or 1900 because empire lost the technologicial war. You can not win a war against battleships or tanks with caliphate flag
@@alihanyalcn7073 That had more to do with the Western powers colonizing various parts of the world, rather than any perceived technological weakness on the part of the Ottomans. After all, there would be no industrialization without slave labour and the influx of stolen raw materials.
Mamluk Sultanate was the first country that call itself Turkey (They didn't call themselves mamluk, which means slave). The official name was "ed-Devletü't-Türkiyye" meaning "The country Turkey". Unlike Ottomans, they were also using Turkic names, such as Tuman bay.
Wait... So the Ottomans defeated the first Turkey in history? Now I'm really confused! Is that treachery, or a civil war, or what? It sounds like madness! What side are modern Turks on, then? The side of the first Turkey, or on the side of the Ottomans? How confusing! Conflicting loyalties, much?
@@luciusartoriuscastus8327 that's so cool! I thought China was the only place with a three kingdoms period, but it seems to be more general! I guess Chinese history is not so isolated as I thought! That's awesome!
@@gabrieltheredlion6613 yeah they were of Christian origins When they were brought or Captured by Ottomans they were very young so it was easy to make them convert to Islam
Sultan Selim is probably my favorite of the Ottoman Sultans. By conquering the Mamluks, he managed to turn the Ottomans from a great power to a super power. Its also of note that, 4 centuries after his conquest, a ship would be named after him which would change middle east and world politics forever: The German battle-cruiser Goeben, escaping allied patrols in the Mediterranean, was given over to the Ottomans and renamed the Yavuz Sultan Selim; this would lead to the Ottomans joining the central powers in ww1, leading to the death knell of the empire and the redrawing of the map of the middle east.
though its important to note that bad actors used the ship in the ottoman name despite the sultan and other important figures wanting no part in the great war.
though its important to note that bad actors used the ship in the ottoman name despite the sultan and other important figures wanting no part in the great war.
Ottomans formed armies of 100k people against small kingdoms of europe . But the Ottomans build a army of 50-60k people against very powerful Mamelukes.numbers in wars in Europe could be exaggerated in sources
@@artoruvidal2793 They just did in the video. Let me rephrase it. Effective use of artillery and gunpowder units, excellent tactician Turkish Rulers who were field marshalls unlike their neighboring equivalents.
@@fatihsaidduran Yes. Hungarians had cannons, gunpowder units, heavy cavalry, and they were defeated. ( I note, however I think they underestimated the Ottomans.)
How the bloody hell do the Ottomans expand so much when I can barely sweep the Balkans without everyone going against me on EUIV? Great vid guys! I'm glad you guys are still focusing on less well-known eras in history!
Main reason behind the fall of Ottomans was inconsistent and unskilled sultans who took the throne in 18-19th centuries. Mehmed II the Conqueror, Selim I the Grim and his son Suleiman I the Magnificent were ahead of their times. They were great rulers with a high battlefield control. It was unlucky that Ottomans couldn't have a sultan as skilled as these ones. Sad.
Because Suleiman killed the strong Prince Mustafa so the empire was left to be ruled by the other son, Selim II the drunkard, who produced even weaker offspring as well who were influenced by the women around them. So during these times the Ottomans stopped evolving and eventually the Europeans surpassed them.
dont forget murad 4 he arguably has same potential as them by cleansing ottoman from corruption,threachery,rebellion, and bribes also reconquering baghdad under age of 30
Selim was unusual character in Ottoman History. He act like his ancestors who ruled steppes many years ago. He captured the throne when his father Bayazid alive and he destroyed two powerful dynasty in 2 years. But in his reign too much rebellion appeared. In my opinion he was great commander but not a good politician like his ancestors. It is possible the say that if his reign continue he could capture Vienna. But Empire would be collapsed after his reign like in Attila’s or Alexander’s empire. Suleiman took the throne exactly right time. After his death, his son Suleiman ruled 46 years. He stabilized territories which are taken by Selim and Ottoman Empire ruled these lands till 1914 thanks to Suleiman the Magnificent. Father and son they completed each other. This harmony between Suleiman and Selim, was also unusual in world history.
But he massacred the Turkic steppe tribes who recently came to Anatolia, just because of their views on Islam was different because of their steppe (Tengrism) way of life. Bektashis and Alevis were the ones who preserving the Turkic steppe tradition and culture and beliefs within the Bektashi belief. Ahiler who helped the establishment of the Ottomans were Bektashi, founders of the Ottomans were Bektashi, even they made the foreign devşirmes, the Janissaries Bektashi. Mehmed the Conqueror was loving to listen all *Sufi* philosophical views and respected them, including Bektashis and Alevis. Sufism is the Turkic or Turkish Islam and views like Nakshbendi, Bektashi were also Turkic beliefs which preserved the old Tengrist way of life and mixed it with Sufist Islam. Ahmed Yesevi, Hoja Dehhani, Haji Bektash Veli, Mevlana Jelaleddin Rumi were some of those Turkic sufis. My tribe Varsak was one of them, Karacaoğlan's tribe, Karacaoğlan was also Sufi, Yunus Emre was Sufi, all Anatolian Turkic tribes were believers of various Sufi views. Mehmed the Conqueror chose a heir but that heir couldn't make it, his name was Cem Sultan, his other son Bayezid II was radical pious Orthodox Muslim who couldn't tolerate the Turkic views in Islam (and he was criticizing his father because his father loved Sufism) and Selim I was his son, although they didn't like each other and Selim I (the Grim) dethroned his father (because he was criticizing his father because he thought that his father was too soft to Cem Sultan crisis and was too soft to Turkic Sufi views and he thought the Safevid Islam, the Shia Islam was one of those Turkic Sufi views but it was not), both father Bayezid and son Selim were admirers of Arabic Islam which was/is not very tolerated and not very Turkic (merciful), the Turkic tribes massacres are unfortunately true and even the Ottomanist Prof. Dr. İlber Ortaylı doesn't deny it.
Karaus But we can say that Safavid Sultanete especially in Ismael term, support Bektashis and Alevis for battering Ottomans after that as you say The Grim deserved his name with no doubt. I think we should not evaluate past with today’s conditions. There were two great empire one of them is Shia other one is Sunni. Both of them supported minorities of their enemies, both of them massacred people because they wanted to close their gap against enemy. My point which in my comment is Selim’s character more than religious or believes. Another point was Mehmed the Conqueror and his sons, Cem was too passionate even more than his father because his father was a logical man also. His passions threw him to mistake series, but I can not comment on tolerancy because I don t know his opinions about Bektashis or Sufis or Alevis. I wanted to add that Bayazid saved Jews from Spain, I think his opinions about Bektashis and Alevis were just political because these two situations for a radical pious orthodox Muslim definiton do not fit each other. May be he was inconsistent one. Mehmed the Conqueror generally tolerated all religions in the empire. He was open-minded guy for his age. People called him “Infidel Sultan” because of his statues and pictures. He knew 7 languages and he was too curious to read new things.
@@KarausTheReTeller Why don't you tell both sides stories? Instead of telling a one sided story. Selim didn't kill the Alevi tribes for no reason like you say so. They were rebellious and would've definitely side with the Safavids in case of war(don't forget that they also tried to assassinate sultan Beyazid II) because of the similarities between shia and alevi islam. Selim was a smart general and preemptively stopped it from happening. You also keep talking on about the Turkic lifestyle and culture but the reality of the situation is that it would've been impossible to keep it alive because of two major reasons: -Cultures grow by influencing each other, otherwise a culture will stagnate. -The Turkic culture/lifestyle wasn't going to survive because it was nomadic and when more and more Turks settled down. They learned from the local peoples and the opposite happend to. Turkic culture began to mix with Persian, Anatolian and Greek culture and molded by Ataturk became the modern Turkish culture today. Also how was Sultan Beyazid II "a radical pious Orthodox Muslim" when he saved the Jews from being killed off in Iberia.
The achievements of Yavuz Sultan Selim Khan in 8 years. 1-)The Ottoman Empire increased its borders 2.5 times. 2-)The Portuguese Empire, which threatened Islam, was afraid to face Yavuz Sultan Selim Khan and was forced to retreat. 3-)The great Alevi-Shiite rebellion, which even the Ottoman capital Bursa was occupied, was easily repressed during the reign of Yavuz Selim I. 4-)Even when the Ottoman rebels and Safavid Turks and fought against Mamluks, Europe could not open a war against Yavuz Sultan Selim Khan.Yavuz was so powerful that he fought against two great empires and a great internal uprising, even European states did not even think of attacking.because, although the lion was wounded, he was a lion and could not be threatened ! 5-)Napoleon and Alexander the Great could not pass the Sinai Desert had passed 13 days.Although Napoleon lived 300 years after Yavuz, he did not cross this desert for 25 days. 6-)The 270-year-old Mamelukes destroyed in 13 days.Safavi Turks, who did not lose even a single war, were officially defeated against Yavuz.Safavid Turks Shah Ishmael was an undefeated commander and he defeated 70 thousand people with 12 thousand people.He could not stand 3 hours against Yavuz Sultan Selim Khan ! It was really like the Genghis Khan, Timur of his time, Alexander and even Modu Chanyu.
3 Turkic (or Turkic Dynasty Controlled) States fought against each other. It’s interesting how influential Turkic Dynasties were back then due to their military skills
@پیر الکساندر خان eehh so stupid.. the very word Tumen Bey is Turkish, Kutuz, Baybars, All Turks.. countless leaders generals commanders all Turks it was a Turkic Empire because they were the ruling class ... in the British empire there were more indians too but still its a British empire. educate yourself please..
Could you do a video on how the Shia vs Sunni split arose (or at least the conflicts it created and why)? I don't know if it fits the mood of the channel but it seems like a very significant part of Islamic history, that frankly, I don't understand and know all too little about. I thought it would be interesting to learn about it. If I recall well, it was about choosing one caliphate over another right? Anyway, great video as usual K&G!
Boqoreh just little correction the ummayid dynasty was at that time ruled by yazid the first son of Mouawya and not him as the latter died before already. Also it is most important that shiite faith become more of an ideological symbol because the persians who were under harsh and corrupt rule throughout most of the era of the ummayads saw shiism as the antagonist to the ummayyads who were sunnis and arabs that is why the hardline factions and figures of shias are persians whereas those of the sunnis are arabs and some neo nationalists in the middle east mainly in the gulf and iraq are actually siding with these hardline figures and mouvements as they began to consider that the conflict between sunnis and shias is not just for hegemony in the middle east but also for cultural supremacy and historical pride.
Sources on that conflict are messy as hell and K&G would just bring a flame war on themselves since it involves very holy people in Islam (Ali, Aisha, and other Sahaba) Talk about opening a big hornet's nest
@@BoqPrecision Thank you for the great information. I've learned a lot from it. I am now even more convinced it would be a fascinating, although "dangerous", topic to cover.
@@totalwartimelapses6359 I definitely agree with that and I understand why they wouldn't want to risk it. I just think it would be interesting and that people should treat as history as anything else. Plus, they have discussed "problematic" topics in the past (anything including the Turks really...).
@@Trap4DaysOfficial again the weapons played a role in the battle but a much smaller one than the commanders role. If a less competent commander with more advanced weaponry/army went against an less advanced army with a more competent commander. The less competent one would lose because if he can't use his army or weapons the right way they're useless against a more experienced army.
It's astonishing how quickly the Mamluks fell to the Ottomans. Almost comparable to the fall of the Aztec and Incas to the Spanish during this similar time period where gunpowder changed history.
you mean "Dawlet Al-Turkiyye" the ul you wrote means "the" in English and it belong to the name Türkiyye not Devlet or Dewlet, also Dewlet means country. so over all it means Country of The Turks, also can be, The Country of the Turks will be written in Arabic like this " Al-Dewlet Al-Turkiyye" the T in the End of the word Dewle means "of" ((country of = dewlet))
Everybody knows they were Turks. Shah İsmail was Turk. Turks managed arabs. Turks managed persians. you can not manage a country. Puppets of America. Treators. Go and celebrate to be slaves of money. One day your precious fuel oil will finish. Then we will see you will die for food. And you will run to us again. Lets guest what will we do? We will accept our fool brothers.
@@burakyagci3315 sir you mix history with politics sir you are not 100 % turk your country of anadalou consists of Greek Persian Arab Roman hitties and Turks and second mamluks where just a part of the army just like jasinsire
@@burakyagci3315 weren't u the first muslim country to have an Israeli Embassy? Wut treators r u talking about? weren't ur country a shithole before Erdogan? Wut country managing u fucking loser? Mameluke is a word means "Property" ... They were slaves brought children and grow up in Egypt And trained to defend The sultanate of Egypt.. They have nothing to do with turkish but their origin other wise they neither knew turkish nor lived in their society
Selim and the Ottomans really knew how to use gunpowder well while on the other hand the Mamluks relied to much on their cavalry and only renewed their army when it was to late. Anyway, a great episode as always Kings & Generals.
Suleiman was somewhat incompetent as after Ibrahim pasha who led Hungarian victories & capture of Iraq, he couldn't conquer anything & his Italian campaign of 1537-38 was a disaster which forced him to not lead a major war again & he was satisfied with laying siege of Hungarian cities who were rebellious. Conquests after 1536 were led by capable naval commanders & on land by capable Sokullu Mehmed Pasha.
What I find most mind boggling in this series and alike is the number of casualties per battle. When he states these numbers, I have to remind myself that these were men/people/human beings lost in a span of a day/ two. When the winning-side lost over 10,000 men and yet consider the battle a victory is just hard to wrap my mind around.
Excellent work as usual Sir! Can you make a video about the Göktürk Khaganate? We gained a lot of knowledge about the Ottomans and the Seljuks, thanks to you guys, but we know very little about the ancestors of those turkish tribes. It would be very interesting to see how the first Gökturk Khaganate was established and how they clashed with the Sassanids and the Tang Dynasty.
Gökturk Khaganate the forefathers of today's Turks Their conversion of Islam was one of the key factor in History as it made Islam one of the most powerful and influential religion in the world
@Leo Jansen No. It is quite well known the ancestors of the Turkic groups. Anatolian+Azerbaijan+Iranian turks are Oghuz (Oğuz) turks. Their earliest name was Töles. They were the most numberous group of all turkic groups. Then they reorganized into 8 Oghuz. Then at last re-organized into 9 Oghuz and they moved to west. Kyrgyz, Tatar, Kazakh are Kıpchak group. Sakha, Tuva and Bashkorts are Sibir group.
Great video as always but Kings and Generals you didn't mentioned that Hadim Sinan Pasha was killed in the Battle of Ridanieh 1517, while Selim was in the battlefield Sinan Pasha was in the Ottoman Headquarters and the Mamluks thought that he was Selim so they killed him. After the battle Selim expressed his grief: "We have won the battle but we have lost Sinan".
Sultan Selim captured a huge treasure and wealth after destroying the Mamluks and said, “Whoever fills the treasure of the state as much as I do, let the treasure be sealed with his seal. If it fails to fill it, let the treasure be sealed with my seal forever. '' The Ottoman State treasury was sealed with Selim's seal until the collapse of the state.
the Mamluks knew about guns 60 years before the ottomans but they never used them cause it will require a complete change to the armies and would turn the army to all-infantry army and they thought that using guns is something that cowards would do. look how that turned out for them and nice video btw keep up the good work
Yeh, conservatism is not always protective, even sometimes path to the destruction. "that is what cowards would do" argument is void, the problem was extreme conservatism and still is for some cases today. Think about it, let assume guns for cowards then bows and arrows, ballistas are for cowards as well, hadn't memluks use them ever? Didn't they wear armor and used shield(which are not clothes of bravery for sure).
yeah agree with all of you in the comment section of this very video i can see some saying that the ottomans empire was a gun powder empire, even im not a fan of the ottomans i see they did whats best-served their goals and what about current great power countries? can we call them Napalm empires? everyone uses what is best for him, we cant deny that thing for the ottomans and be happy when our countries do the same
Welcome to modern warfare. Frontal Calvary charge to guns got what you deserved. It appeared that the Mamluks spent too much time on the beach and did not study warfare development. So Ottoman's success was not a fluke, they mastered combined armed tactics with disciplined troops.
@Soundwave 47 They didn't use guns because the Mamluks were heavier, more armed and they barricaded themselves from enemy arrows. They also fought and demolished many armies which used guns and cannons. The chest plates and helmets worn by the Mamluks were also intense that it was almost impossible for a bullet to penetrate through them.
Yasin ....... what of corse I know what aggressive expansion is. Question is do you even play eu4 because apparently you don’t know what overextension is
In reality, Ottoman's AE was not insane since Mameluks were not Christian thus no European coalition formed as a direct result of this war. Even among Muslims, do you think any country to the east of Safavids really became mad due to the fall of the Mameluksr? Annexing Hungary gave Ottomans more AE in Europe though.
Everytime i watch these documentaires i feell proud to call myself a grandson of the ottomans. When i talk about being a ottoman, i dont talk about the family osman i refer to my grandfathers who fight for our honor, for the religion for the respect. When i watch this my blood rushes inside my body and i feel strong and powerfull.
Lol I'm a Turkish atheist but I kind of feel the same way. You could say it's in our blood. Turks were Tengriist before Islam so you can't say it's the religion.
@@TurquazCannabizYou need a powerful ideology to make a sustainable empire that is a superpower of its time. Love it or hate it but one thing for sure Islam is a powerful ideology. Before Islam Turks never formed a sustainable empire with long-lasting cultural influence. In fact , it was the other way around , Turks were ultimately influenced and overtaken by other empires or kingdoms. Such is the case for the Gokturks who ultimately became vassals of the Chinese , and same for the Avars who became vassals of the Byzantines or Attila ‘s empire which quickly crumbled and was overtaken by Germanic tribes or Turks becoming vassals of mongols. Only after Islam did the Turks form long-lasting culturally and technically militarily influential empires such as the Ottoman Empire and the Mughal empire. And while the Seljuk empire did not last that long but its system of upbringing elite governors set by its grand vizier had a long-lasting effect in the Middle East and of course effectively brought an end to Byzantium.
Wiping out perhaps the greatest cavalry unit in the world at the time using superior technology and clever maneuvering is something only a young Ottoman Empire could've pulled off. Too bad they declined a few centuries down the line by being beaten at their own game
@Cenk Tüneygök The death of the prince Mustafa was bad But Mustafa III during the Russo-turkish wars was a man who deeply understood that a reform needed to take place within the ottoman military His son Selim III tried to spearhead these reforms but was imprisoned and assasinate by the Jannisaries who wanted to keep their power They held back the empire by assassinating and placing puppet sultans on the throne for years By the time they were deposed reforming the empire was too late Europe was on the brink of industrialisation and was far ahead of the ottoman empire
@Вхламинго It's not Islam that was to blame, though. Islamic nations promoted and positively contributed to Science too. It was the Janissaries who hated to lose power and resisted any reforms in fear of losing it. It's like blaming the Crisis of the Third Century on Greco-Roman Mythology instead of the corrupt Praetorian Guard that ruined it
I like what you did in 8:13 when you visualized the battle. Looking at the overall strategy is fine, but seeing it firsthand shows the stakes of the battle.
I normally annexed the entire Mameluks around 1570. Releasing Syria and use its reconquest CB against Mameluks facilitates this process. However, I can't engulf the entire Mameluks in a single war.
@@MrMukmuk25 Before the age of absolutism, the real Ottomans Empire expanded faster than me. Starting from the age of absolutism, I expand faster than the Ottomans in reality, at least for any patch before 1.26. Starting from 1.26 corruption has become a big problem thus I probably have to halt my expansion, not due to combat skills but extra costs from too many territories.
One of the biggest reasons for this campaign of Yavuz(Resolute) Sultan Selim, the growing activity of the Portugal Navy in the Red Sea and the consequent danger of the Hejaz (Mecca, Medina) territory, the most sacred area of the Muslims. Because Mamluk sultans could no longer protect these lands. It was also one of the reasons for this campaign to control the changing world trade routes. in any case Selim was a great ruler. His reign was only 8 years but doubled the territory of the state.
@@TurquazCannabiz there is no empire that didnt think that way, it is just a joke because the turks were literally everywhere from china, central asia, persia, caucassus, anatolia, and the levant. You can find many empire and kingdom ruled by them in that area.
@@yanelabdelkader8186 if i speak about the british, america, and china, i think my comment will be out of context from the video. The video were talking about the ottoman which is a turkish dinasty. I doesnt have any intention to bring a hate comment.
@@cakapcakep241 @ilker G: Rizki comment is neither complimentary nor demonizing. It's an objective truth during that time. Look at the battles bw. the political powers controlling Iranian lands (i.e. Persia), Arab lands Iraq, Syra and Hicaz and Egypt all three dynasties (Safavids, Mamluks and Ottomans) are Turks. Although in this video, current Mamluk dynasty is called a Circassian one toppled the Turkic previous dynasty, the last sultan Tomanbay has definitely a Turkic name.
Yavuz sultan Selim is my favorite Ottoman sultan because he knew how to lead an army and expanded the empire so much in such a small amount of time. Think of what he could've done if he ruled longer than 8 years but alas the best always die young. Some people say sultan Selim only won because of the gunpowder weapons but most of it was still Selim's and his pasha's genius. Do the cannons make the logistics plans? or do the muskets make the strategies of attack? No, a commander must know how to use all of his weapons, soldiers and his terrain to his advantage or else he already lost the battle. For example an idiot leading a more advanced against a less advanced one but with a better and more experienced general would still lose.
@@Batuhanify I know but that's not that old either. Either way what I am trying to say is that he ruled for a to short period of time for a sultan of his calibre.
Napoleon I Bonaparte i didn’t give a shit about the Mamlukes just so I could conquer Vienna and finally realize the Ottoman dream of conquering Europe. Made Tunis my biggest ally and made them fight the Mamlukes. Mamlukes are my vassal now :D
No, Ottomans would rival Mameluks and attack them in most of my games. Selim in real history just did better than most of the AI and player-controlled Ottomans.
Memluk rule in Egypt did not end complately though , Otoman Empire ruled Egypt as a semi autonomous state and kept Memluk Beys and nobility (the ones they did not kill after death of Tuman Bey) in power to rule administration of Egypt. When Napoleons French Army invaded Egypt in 1798 Memluks as proxy of Ottoman Empire was still ruling there.
Tactic was using cavalry to lure enemy to in front of canons. You can give a man a bit taste of small victory than you take his life. Brilliant just brilliant.
I think that the Mamluks and Ottomans should have joined each other as brothers as independent countries and fought against each other enemy rather than one another
Nice video; Very well done. In the First Ottoman-mamluk war of 1485-1491, the kings of Spain Ferdinad and Isabel seen food and other suplies to the mamluks because they fear the ottoman expansion. Sicily was a spanish posseion in this time. In 1505, began the mamluk-portuguese war in the Indic Ocean. Portuguese expansion stopped the muslim trade routes, breaking in chaos the egyptian economy. One aliance of mamluks, ottoman corsairs (No offical, mainly adventurers or mercenaries) and local muslim kings of Oman, Africa and India joined forces to fight back the portugese, but the muslim fleet was crushed in a big battle on Diu, 1509.
@Kayserili38ification Mamluks were Ghulam. Do you know the meaning of Ghulam? They were just like Khasrazmian Turks, Ghulam of Sammanids. It means slave soldiers or servants.
Educated at what? They were unable to make gunpowder weapons themselves. They were 300 years behind rest of the world. Little Venice was more advanced. Italians were the most educated followed by Germans, Spanish, Ottomans and French. Mamluks in this time period used tactics Ottomans stopped using 200 years earlier. Mamluks were more educated than eastern europeans so pretty close.
If they had existed in 700 AD yes. Not the case any more once you reach the High Middle Ages though. That's from about 1000 AD and onwards btw. And no, that would absolutely not be the case after the Renaissance...
Show notes!
1. "That made the war inevitable" t-shirts: bit.ly/2S9bxMX
2. The beyliks in Anatolia are a big, fat, never-going-away problem. Multiple sources describe their history and diplomatic relations with the Ottomans, Mamluks, and Safavids differently, so I am happy we don't need to deal with them anymore.
3. In general, sources for this period are a mess. For instance, Iranian and Azerbaijani sources claim that Qara xan won a battle against the Ottomans in the Eastern Anatolia, the Turkish sources claim that the Ottomans won it, while the Arab sources assert that Ismail didn't send anyone to help the Mamluks. One of the sources even claims that the Ottomans and the Safavids signed a peace treaty in 1515, while others vehemently reject that idea and assert that the war continued until 1555.
4. The same goes for the battles of the Ottoman-Mamluk War. They are a mess - numbers, tactics, details.
5. I wonder if there is an interest for an episode on the Safavid-Portuguese war, which was happening simultaneously.
Rae hatt
India ka baana
I’m sure there is interest, just make a video and everyone will watch
Im sure everyone will be interested in any content you guys came up with :D
Will there soon be videos about Napoleonic wars? I mean, I ask because that series is going veeery slowly.
The Ottoman Sultan must've been hacking.. you can't annex the Mamluks instantly because it costs too much warscore!
TTT135 Seriously, whenever I play as the Ottomans, even with cheats it’s too difficult to expand as much as the Ottoman Empire expanded in real life.
The Ottomans were the first hackers in history and I love it.
Ilker G so is that how they beat the Byzantines? Then did they DDOS Hungary?
It might make sense
They just made peace and instantly broke truce and declared war again, everyone was too afraid to form a coalition against them until later on.
xxAnaconta it all makes sense now
TTT135 *Memeluks
When Selim The Stern died Pope said “The Lion is dead The Sheep is on the throne” but there was a bigger problem because “Sheep” was Suleiman The Magnificent
Başar Ercan The pope was hoping that an incompetent ruler would finaly lead the Ottomans but he had no idea.
Sike thats the wrong sultan
The Lion was dead but new Sultan was A Tiger
lol reminds me of the Greek world celebrating the death of Philip II thinking they'd be able to regain their independence with a young king on the throne.
Suleiman is the starter of fall of the empire with Hurrem leading the way. Mustapha should be the next leader to conquer Vienna and that would be the end of Holy Roman empire which leads the way for a new red apple like Paris or London. But instead sari selim came to power who is a total disrespect to his grandfather Selim the first. Hurrem was a great agent of crusaders i always believe. She managed to stop ottomans and made the empire decline putting many christian descendants into governmental positions. May Allah put Selim the first and other conqueror sultans into eternal heaven.
*Ottomans double their territory and gain access to valuable trade routes through Egypt and Syria, large urban centres, a larger tax base as well as the fertile valley of the Nile*
Hungary: fuk
Yes, Hungary is the next...
James Tang 😂😂😂😂😂
wallachia : Oh shet
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Egypt was the heart of the Muslim world
European "BEST ARMOR"
Mamluk "BEST HORSEMEN"
OTTOMAN "The cannon Goes Skrrrrrra papakaka, Skidikipappap and the gun Bumbumbum"
Götz von Berlichingen U known Only Hussars 😂
Why ur hussars not arrived in Battle Of Nicopolis?
Fall Of Constantinople?
Hacova ?
1 and 2 Kosova War ?
Belgard , Budin , Vidin , Gallipoli , Szigetwar , Estergom and More ...
- Hussar’s keep dream , Second Wien war is your success in our mistakes...
You mean peace treaty little scared kids
@Jojo Momo we all know that ottamans made the treat with is Egyptians then broke it
hiya hiya hiya..,
Cyka byat
Selim must be the first guy to kill an envoy and survive in this channel
Who is the historical character in your profile picture ?
@@benjad92 Charlemagne
It's mostly because he covered Mongols before that, most times the envoys were killed, no repercussions followed.
@@Vitalis94 It usually wasn't smart though. Killing envoys just meant you'd get less information from the battlefield. Hardly serves much purpose other than to send a message.
I guess Mamluks killed Mongol Envoys before battle of Ain Jalut but still won
Selim lived only 8 years for Ottoman Sultane. He died at 50 years old. 42 to 50 a lot of victories
42 to 50*
I wish he made alternative history videos like instead of going to east going to West like Italy like Fatih the MEhmed 1 planned
A bit like Alexander!
@@haciahmetozturk8140 that wouldve been alot more difficult, even the typically friendly france would be enraged that muslim troops be outside Rome.
Kind of the ottoman aurelian, short busy reigns.
We need a "The sources are conflicting" t-shirt as well.
i wonder how much of history we are told are facts. As one would generally get different versions of any eye witnessed incident(small or large) by different people. Also humans being biased sometimes even without realizing is very common.
I think human bias is unavoidable. Even attempting to understanding bias has not helped us reducing them as we are all emotional and cling to the side that we believe are right. In some of K&G videos alone, we already saw so much disagreements and rages over events of thousand years ago, one cannot imagine how hard it is to be objective and fair-judged for all sides as a contemporary.
But that's exactly why we need conflicting sources. Because from the sea of conflicts, we see both contradictions and overlaps. And through these conflicts, we see what makes sense and what isn't. Maybe even through careful examination, some of the stories are still lies. But these lies will be slowly filtered and filtered out through further examination, real-life application and the power of common sense. Even the best lie can't stand the test of thousand years and of thousand historians.
So I am not really worried about whether the history we are taught is fact (Even if it isn't, there is no one who can claim so anyway). As long as conflicting sources emerge itself and went through careful examination of tens of generations, the truth will emerge.
And another one, "STOP. KILLING. THE ENVOYS!"
Honestly, this one felt borderline absurd. Missing (or inventing) entire Persian army? In XVI century? During a major war, resulting in, allegedly, a battle?
Someone really dropped the ball at the time.
Sultan Selim I really underrated. He is genius military war machine.
Master firearms commander
yes. I wanna see a turkish netflix serie about sultan selim i
@@xavierrealmadrid7420keşke olsa
Europe and Iran: "Oh thank god Selim's gone"
Suleiman: Oh you poor sweet summer children
In fact, Suleiman could not win a war against Iran, and we drove them out of our lands.
True; he DID take Iraq from Shah Tamasp, but simply couldn't take Iran itself;once again a Persian Fabian strategy paid off after initial defeats.
The Persians lost many battles, but when the Persians started to avoid battle, the Turks wound up losing 30,000 men from starvation and thirst. Even when Suleiman tried to get Tamasp's brother Alqas Mirza to lead a rebellion, no Persian joined him and Alqas was imprisoned.
@@Tareltonlives oh really!?
Tahmaseb defeated Suleiman and his commanders Ebrahim Pasha, Eskandar Pasha, and Sinan Pasha for four times.Please read the history without intent.
In any case, why should the Iranian people have helped Alghas Mirza, who had taken refuge in the Ottoman Empire!?
He was a traitor and deserved to die.
Like what Soleiman did with his son
and his children in Iran
@@alborz2887 Don't worry, I will do more research
Everyone knows about Suleiman the Magnificent but his father Selim the Grim is the real BADASS !!!
Totally agree
indeed he did
Yavuz Sultan Selim Han💪
Can you make a video about "Barbarossa" Hayreddin Pasha? He started as a pirate with his brothers, took almost all North Africa and gifted to the sultan and became the governor and Admiral of Ottoman Navy (which was the only time Ottomans were actually powerful at sea)
Or better yet make a video about him and his biggest rival Italian Andrea Doria. They were the greatest sailors and admirals of their times and their rivalry literally shaped history
Barbarossa was one of the best naval commanders of history for sure
You should really make a video about Barbarossa's great rivaly with the famed English sailor "Jack Sparrow". Their great rivalry is definitely worth a video!
Jokes aside, Barbarossa Hayreddin Pasha is really a man to admire. Imagine starting out as a low level pirateer, rising to the rank to command a fleet of pirates, conquering most of North Africa and then rising to hold one of the 5 most powerful ranks in the Ottoman Empire during its prime. Now that's definitely worth a video...
I think, we will do!
@@KingsandGenerals Can't wait!
@HT No I didn't just mean Battle of Preveza. I meant his whole life, his years as pirate, how he took North Africa and everything. He is a very interesting historical figure and I think Kings and Generals Channel can make a series about him and his counterpart Andrea Doria. Would be super fun to watch
When Selim I conquered the Mamluk Sultanate he acquired the title _The_ _Ruler_ _of_ _The_ _Two_ _Holy_ _Cities_ (Mecca and Medina; Islam's holy cities) but he humbly changed it into _The_ _Servant_ _of_ _The_ _Two_ _Holy_ _Cities_ .
excellent propaganda
Yea💓
"Humble" is not how one describes Selim. It was all propaganda
And now this title (khadim ul haramain sharifain) is used by the king of Saudi Arabia.
@@Navak_ he actually was very humble he only eat once a day. Refusing to partake in opulance and luxury.
*A carpet is large enough to accommodate two Sufis, but the world is not large enough for two kings.*
_Sultan Selim_
Selim'e ait değil, İran atasözü
I wish he made alternative history videos like instead of going to east going to West like Italy like Fatih the MEhmed ;Fatih Sultan Mehmed planned..
@@kemal_punkt selim ne lan itherif. Yavuz Sultan Selim Han
@@haciahmetozturk8140 Heard he was planning to but he died before he could
Actually this proverb is from Persian poet; Saadi Shirazi (1210-1292), which those days his books (Gulistan and Bustan) were kids formal educational books, from India to Anatolia.
"We gained Egypt but we lost Sinan" - Sultan Selim after Sinan Pasha's death at Battle of Ridaniyyah
sizden ironik duyulur)
And Sinan is your given name too? ;)
@@ennui9745 indeed
@@CrimeanHorseArcher Nice.
Mamluks: Ok our horsemen are strong, we should be able to defeat the Ottomans
Ottoman artillery: Hold on mate
Ottoman artillery: Hold my sherbet.
Janissaries: Hold my ayran
@Djack bcz both of are Turkic
@737PilotDocSportelloLovesShastaFay have u ever heard arabic or persian names like Baibars?
@737PilotDocSportelloLovesShastaFay Do u know how mameluks called themselves in arabic ? Ed-Devletü Türkiyye which means Türkiye Devleti in english State of Turkey.
400% O V E R E X T E N S I O N
Laughs in Rebel
Not necessarily since dip power can go minus
It's not even possible in the first place. You cant annex mamluks with 100 war score
-100% AE :)
you were ruled by ottomons .one cant deny historical fact
While watching this series I have gained so much respect for the Ottomans, God damn they had enemies, left, right, center, above and below and they still managed to do so much.
@@AntonNb lol in 1900 ottoman was dead empire if you still think like that you can look at the 1923 turks
Ottomans were a super state! From a tent to an empire! Ottomans will revive in another form! They are alive!! Not dead! Theur grandchildren ruling Turkey today!
@@alihanyalcn7073 They were near-dead at that point because they lost support of the Muslim world (for various reasons and not always justifiably) and were forced into an alliance with the weaker Christian faction.
@@bilalbadar1438 with or without support of muslims Ottomans were weak in 1800 or 1900 because empire lost the technologicial war. You can not win a war against battleships or tanks with caliphate flag
@@alihanyalcn7073 That had more to do with the Western powers colonizing various parts of the world, rather than any perceived technological weakness on the part of the Ottomans. After all, there would be no industrialization without slave labour and the influx of stolen raw materials.
Mamluk Sultanate was the first country that call itself Turkey (They didn't call themselves mamluk, which means slave). The official name was "ed-Devletü't-Türkiyye" meaning "The country Turkey". Unlike Ottomans, they were also using Turkic names, such as Tuman bay.
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Baybars is kıpchak Turks yes true
Wait... So the Ottomans defeated the first Turkey in history? Now I'm really confused! Is that treachery, or a civil war, or what? It sounds like madness! What side are modern Turks on, then? The side of the first Turkey, or on the side of the Ottomans? How confusing! Conflicting loyalties, much?
@@zhouwu It's like three kingdom wars in china
@@luciusartoriuscastus8327 that's so cool! I thought China was the only place with a three kingdoms period, but it seems to be more general! I guess Chinese history is not so isolated as I thought! That's awesome!
How many times we have seen Jannisaries have saved the day for Ottomans in battles
Definetly one of the most elite unit in History
They were slaves from Eastern Europe, they were always send in the front line and because of that they had alot of experience and battle prowess.
@@gabrieltheredlion6613 yeah they were of Christian origins
When they were brought or Captured by Ottomans they were very young so it was easy to make them convert to Islam
@@umaransari9765 Yeah, exactly.
Janniseries had %150 discipline.
Later on they were the most incompetent
Sultan Selim is probably my favorite of the Ottoman Sultans. By conquering the Mamluks, he managed to turn the Ottomans from a great power to a super power.
Its also of note that, 4 centuries after his conquest, a ship would be named after him which would change middle east and world politics forever: The German battle-cruiser Goeben, escaping allied patrols in the Mediterranean, was given over to the Ottomans and renamed the Yavuz Sultan Selim; this would lead to the Ottomans joining the central powers in ww1, leading to the death knell of the empire and the redrawing of the map of the middle east.
though its important to note that bad actors used the ship in the ottoman name despite the sultan and other important figures wanting no part in the great war.
though its important to note that bad actors used the ship in the ottoman name despite the sultan and other important figures wanting no part in the great war.
Ottomans were never a superpower.
Ottomans formed armies of 100k people against small kingdoms of europe . But the Ottomans build a army of 50-60k people against very powerful Mamelukes.numbers in wars in Europe could be exaggerated in sources
Mamlukes were not weak
@@artoruvidal2793 They just did in the video. Let me rephrase it. Effective use of artillery and gunpowder units, excellent tactician Turkish Rulers who were field marshalls unlike their neighboring equivalents.
@@artoruvidal2793 Just wait for what's gonna happen for Hungary mate
@@selimgehayev8766 by the time the ottoman mamluk wars arrived, the mamluks were close to collapse.
@@fatihsaidduran Yes. Hungarians had cannons, gunpowder units, heavy cavalry, and they were defeated. ( I note, however I think they underestimated the Ottomans.)
How the bloody hell do the Ottomans expand so much when I can barely sweep the Balkans without everyone going against me on EUIV?
Great vid guys! I'm glad you guys are still focusing on less well-known eras in history!
Thank you :-)
Euiv is pcor Mobile game?
@@blackgoku2023 Europa Universalis IV, a grand strategy game on PC - made by Paradox.
It is easy to expand when you win every coalition war and they stop trying.
I just bought the game and keep getting rekt lmao
Suleiman the Magnificient owes his success to his father Selim.
Partly!
@@muhammadonaiz6176 I agree, partly. He was a brilliant sultan too.
No.He was better than him.But yes,the huge land and resources conquered by selim helped him expand more easily.
yep
@@gamingthisera6339 true
Selim I only ruled for 8 years but in Turkey we say "he had done the work of 80 years in 8 years"
by attacking own brothers 😥.
@@jawadshafi2747 ?
@@jawadshafi2747 Brotherly infighting was totally normal in that time, especially in Ottoman era
Main reason behind the fall of Ottomans was inconsistent and unskilled sultans who took the throne in 18-19th centuries. Mehmed II the Conqueror, Selim I the Grim and his son Suleiman I the Magnificent were ahead of their times. They were great rulers with a high battlefield control. It was unlucky that Ottomans couldn't have a sultan as skilled as these ones. Sad.
Because Suleiman killed the strong Prince Mustafa so the empire was left to be ruled by the other son, Selim II the drunkard, who produced even weaker offspring as well who were influenced by the women around them. So during these times the Ottomans stopped evolving and eventually the Europeans surpassed them.
Grace Kelly exactly!
Suleiman The Magnificent 🗿🗿🗿🍷🍷
thought it was more so the inability to adapt to modern weapons making them lag behind, mainly due to corruption.
dont forget murad 4 he arguably has same potential as them by cleansing ottoman from corruption,threachery,rebellion, and bribes also reconquering baghdad under age of 30
Just realised how lovely it actually is, that you use same colours for countries as EU4 in all your videos.
It is not always possible, but we try to do that, as the audience knows these colours. :-)
@@KingsandGenerals haha yeah it is familiar so it gives a better experience. Love the connection with the community btw
Ainsley Lambert is our lord and saviour. :-)
Selim was unusual character in Ottoman History. He act like his ancestors who ruled steppes many years ago. He captured the throne when his father Bayazid alive and he destroyed two powerful dynasty in 2 years. But in his reign too much rebellion appeared. In my opinion he was great commander but not a good politician like his ancestors. It is possible the say that if his reign continue he could capture Vienna. But Empire would be collapsed after his reign like in Attila’s or Alexander’s empire. Suleiman took the throne exactly right time. After his death, his son Suleiman ruled 46 years. He stabilized territories which are taken by Selim and Ottoman Empire ruled these lands till 1914 thanks to Suleiman the Magnificent. Father and son they completed each other. This harmony between Suleiman and Selim, was also unusual in world history.
But he massacred the Turkic steppe tribes who recently came to Anatolia, just because of their views on Islam was different because of their steppe (Tengrism) way of life. Bektashis and Alevis were the ones who preserving the Turkic steppe tradition and culture and beliefs within the Bektashi belief. Ahiler who helped the establishment of the Ottomans were Bektashi, founders of the Ottomans were Bektashi, even they made the foreign devşirmes, the Janissaries Bektashi. Mehmed the Conqueror was loving to listen all *Sufi* philosophical views and respected them, including Bektashis and Alevis. Sufism is the Turkic or Turkish Islam and views like Nakshbendi, Bektashi were also Turkic beliefs which preserved the old Tengrist way of life and mixed it with Sufist Islam. Ahmed Yesevi, Hoja Dehhani, Haji Bektash Veli, Mevlana Jelaleddin Rumi were some of those Turkic sufis. My tribe Varsak was one of them, Karacaoğlan's tribe, Karacaoğlan was also Sufi, Yunus Emre was Sufi, all Anatolian Turkic tribes were believers of various Sufi views. Mehmed the Conqueror chose a heir but that heir couldn't make it, his name was Cem Sultan, his other son Bayezid II was radical pious Orthodox Muslim who couldn't tolerate the Turkic views in Islam (and he was criticizing his father because his father loved Sufism) and Selim I was his son, although they didn't like each other and Selim I (the Grim) dethroned his father (because he was criticizing his father because he thought that his father was too soft to Cem Sultan crisis and was too soft to Turkic Sufi views and he thought the Safevid Islam, the Shia Islam was one of those Turkic Sufi views but it was not), both father Bayezid and son Selim were admirers of Arabic Islam which was/is not very tolerated and not very Turkic (merciful), the Turkic tribes massacres are unfortunately true and even the Ottomanist Prof. Dr. İlber Ortaylı doesn't deny it.
Karaus But we can say that Safavid Sultanete especially in Ismael term, support Bektashis and Alevis for battering Ottomans after that as you say The Grim deserved his name with no doubt. I think we should not evaluate past with today’s conditions. There were two great empire one of them is Shia other one is Sunni. Both of them supported minorities of their enemies, both of them massacred people because they wanted to close their gap against enemy. My point which in my comment is Selim’s character more than religious or believes.
Another point was Mehmed the Conqueror and his sons, Cem was too passionate even more than his father because his father was a logical man also. His passions threw him to mistake series, but I can not comment on tolerancy because I don t know his opinions about Bektashis or Sufis or Alevis.
I wanted to add that Bayazid saved Jews from Spain, I think his opinions about Bektashis and Alevis were just political because these two situations for a radical pious orthodox Muslim definiton do not fit each other. May be he was inconsistent one.
Mehmed the Conqueror generally tolerated all religions in the empire. He was open-minded guy for his age. People called him “Infidel Sultan” because of his statues and pictures. He knew 7 languages and he was too curious to read new things.
The overextension penalty was about to kick in my Suleiman cored the lands just in time.
@@KarausTheReTeller Why don't you tell both sides stories? Instead of telling a one sided story.
Selim didn't kill the Alevi tribes for no reason like you say so. They were rebellious and would've definitely side with the Safavids in case of war(don't forget that they also tried to assassinate sultan Beyazid II) because of the similarities between shia and alevi islam. Selim was a smart general and preemptively stopped it from happening.
You also keep talking on about the Turkic lifestyle and culture but the reality of the situation is that it would've been impossible to keep it alive because of two major reasons:
-Cultures grow by influencing each other, otherwise a culture will stagnate.
-The Turkic culture/lifestyle wasn't going to survive because it was nomadic and when more and more Turks settled down. They learned from the local peoples and the opposite happend to. Turkic culture began to mix with Persian, Anatolian and Greek culture and molded by Ataturk became the modern Turkish culture today.
Also how was Sultan Beyazid II "a radical pious Orthodox Muslim" when he saved the Jews from being killed off in Iberia.
@@kadudeduder5103 Well said.
The Safavid Shah must have been in shock, as his most powerful potential ally was devoured in a single conquest
The achievements of Yavuz Sultan Selim Khan in 8 years.
1-)The Ottoman Empire increased its borders 2.5 times.
2-)The Portuguese Empire, which threatened Islam, was afraid to face Yavuz Sultan Selim Khan and was forced to retreat.
3-)The great Alevi-Shiite rebellion, which even the Ottoman capital Bursa was occupied, was easily repressed during the reign of Yavuz Selim I.
4-)Even when the Ottoman rebels and Safavid Turks and fought against Mamluks, Europe could not open a war against Yavuz Sultan Selim Khan.Yavuz was so powerful that he fought against two great empires and a great internal uprising, even European states did not even think of attacking.because, although the lion was wounded, he was a lion and could not be threatened !
5-)Napoleon and Alexander the Great could not pass the Sinai Desert had passed 13 days.Although Napoleon lived 300 years after Yavuz, he did not cross this desert for 25 days.
6-)The 270-year-old Mamelukes destroyed in 13 days.Safavi Turks, who did not lose even a single war, were officially defeated against Yavuz.Safavid Turks Shah Ishmael was an undefeated commander and he defeated 70 thousand people with 12 thousand people.He could not stand 3 hours against Yavuz Sultan Selim Khan !
It was really like the Genghis Khan, Timur of his time, Alexander and even Modu Chanyu.
Exactly that's why he's my favourite Ottoman sultan but alas the best people die young. Think of how much more he could've done if he lived longer.
Well at point 5 napoleon and Alexander didn't have naval dominance
I like his son and his grandfather more
You should edit your comment to mention who Yavuz is (he is Selim I himself) as most people here are not accustomed to the history of Turks.
who is yavuz?
3 Turkic (or Turkic Dynasty Controlled) States fought against each other. It’s interesting how influential Turkic Dynasties were back then due to their military skills
@پیر الکساندر خان eehh so stupid.. the very word Tumen Bey is Turkish, Kutuz, Baybars, All Turks.. countless leaders generals commanders all Turks it was a Turkic Empire because they were the ruling class ... in the British empire there were more indians too but still its a British empire. educate yourself please..
Could you do a video on how the Shia vs Sunni split arose (or at least the conflicts it created and why)? I don't know if it fits the mood of the channel but it seems like a very significant part of Islamic history, that frankly, I don't understand and know all too little about. I thought it would be interesting to learn about it.
If I recall well, it was about choosing one caliphate over another right?
Anyway, great video as usual K&G!
Boqoreh just little correction the ummayid dynasty was at that time ruled by yazid the first son of Mouawya and not him as the latter died before already. Also it is most important that shiite faith become more of an ideological symbol because the persians who were under harsh and corrupt rule throughout most of the era of the ummayads saw shiism as the antagonist to the ummayyads who were sunnis and arabs that is why the hardline factions and figures of shias are persians whereas those of the sunnis are arabs and some neo nationalists in the middle east mainly in the gulf and iraq are actually siding with these hardline figures and mouvements as they began to consider that the conflict between sunnis and shias is not just for hegemony in the middle east but also for cultural supremacy and historical pride.
Sources on that conflict are messy as hell and K&G would just bring a flame war on themselves since it involves very holy people in Islam (Ali, Aisha, and other Sahaba)
Talk about opening a big hornet's nest
Shia is not Islam. They have strayed so far from Islam's foundation and teaching, that they are not anymore.
@@BoqPrecision Thank you for the great information. I've learned a lot from it. I am now even more convinced it would be a fascinating, although "dangerous", topic to cover.
@@totalwartimelapses6359 I definitely agree with that and I understand why they wouldn't want to risk it. I just think it would be interesting and that people should treat as history as anything else. Plus, they have discussed "problematic" topics in the past (anything including the Turks really...).
Another awesome Ottoman serie video as everyone agrees Napoleon and Ottoman series are the best!
Thanks!
After beating the Crusaders and the Mongols, the Mamluks were finally defeated by the Ottomans.
Ottomans too op pls nerf.....
5% discipline too op lol
Trap 4 Days It the Ottomans didn’t have guns they would have had their signature horse archers which eat heavy cav alive.
@@Trap4DaysOfficial selim isnot a dumb he wanted them to come closer to use his cannons he allow them to win early on as it was a bait
@@Trap4DaysOfficial again the weapons played a role in the battle but a much smaller one than the commanders role.
If a less competent commander with more advanced weaponry/army went against an less advanced army with a more competent commander. The less competent one would lose because if he can't use his army or weapons the right way they're useless against a more experienced army.
@@Trap4DaysOfficial it isn't as easy as "t'was the gunz lol"
It's astonishing how quickly the Mamluks fell to the Ottomans. Almost comparable to the fall of the Aztec and Incas to the Spanish during this similar time period where gunpowder changed history.
no it is very diffrent
Always a pleasure to learn more about history from you guys!
Thanks for watching. :-)
One of the official names of Mamluk Sultanate was "Devlet'ul Türkiyye" which is the official name of Turkey in turkish "Türkiye"
you mean "Dawlet Al-Turkiyye" the ul you wrote means "the" in English and it belong to the name Türkiyye not Devlet or Dewlet, also Dewlet means country. so over all it means Country of The Turks, also can be, The Country of the Turks will be written in Arabic like this " Al-Dewlet Al-Turkiyye" the T in the End of the word Dewle means "of" ((country of = dewlet))
This is not true this is no thing but Turkish media this country is Egyptian
Everybody knows they were Turks. Shah İsmail was Turk. Turks managed arabs. Turks managed persians. you can not manage a country. Puppets of America. Treators. Go and celebrate to be slaves of money. One day your precious fuel oil will finish. Then we will see you will die for food. And you will run to us again. Lets guest what will we do? We will accept our fool brothers.
@@burakyagci3315 sir you mix history with politics sir you are not 100 % turk your country of anadalou consists of Greek Persian Arab Roman hitties and Turks and second mamluks where just a part of the army just like jasinsire
@@burakyagci3315
weren't u the first muslim country to have an Israeli Embassy? Wut treators r u talking about?
weren't ur country a shithole before Erdogan? Wut country managing u fucking loser?
Mameluke is a word means "Property" ... They were slaves brought children and grow up in Egypt And trained to defend The sultanate of Egypt.. They have nothing to do with turkish but their origin other wise they neither knew turkish nor lived in their society
So quickly and effectively they brought down the Mamluks, they had no rival in their day. Despite at one time being surrounded by enemies.
Selim and the Ottomans really knew how to use gunpowder well while on the other hand the Mamluks relied to much on their cavalry and only renewed their army when it was to late.
Anyway, a great episode as always Kings & Generals.
@Lord Alehandro thank you and I fixed it.
@Mohamed Khaled they did Muhammad ali pasha in 1805
Sultan Mehmet II The Conquerer
Sultan Selim The Grim
Sultan Suleiman The Magnificent
All lived in a century and destroyed enemies in every direction.
Selim is the one with highest win rate for sure.
Suleiman was somewhat incompetent as after Ibrahim pasha who led Hungarian victories & capture of Iraq, he couldn't conquer anything & his Italian campaign of 1537-38 was a disaster which forced him to not lead a major war again & he was satisfied with laying siege of Hungarian cities who were rebellious. Conquests after 1536 were led by capable naval commanders & on land by capable Sokullu Mehmed Pasha.
Gunpowder won the day it would appear. Thanks for the vid. You pointing out inconsistent source material is spot on. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for watching. :-)
What I find most mind boggling in this series and alike is the number of casualties per battle. When he states these numbers, I have to remind myself that these were men/people/human beings lost in a span of a day/ two. When the winning-side lost over 10,000 men and yet consider the battle a victory is just hard to wrap my mind around.
Early ottomans shows why technology is a one of the most important thing in army.
This is what I have been waiting for whole day.Thanks for this great video
Thanks for watching!
Excellent work as usual Sir!
Can you make a video about the Göktürk Khaganate?
We gained a lot of knowledge about the Ottomans and the Seljuks, thanks to you guys, but we know very little about the ancestors of those turkish tribes.
It would be very interesting to see how the first Gökturk Khaganate was established and how they clashed with the Sassanids and the Tang Dynasty.
Gökturk Khaganate the forefathers of today's Turks
Their conversion of Islam was one of the key factor in History as it made Islam one of the most powerful and influential religion in the world
I agree with M 46 ! I want to see that ! And the Huns (Xiongnu) too !
Great suggestion! Very obscure topic tho its like finding sources on the white huns and the samaritians lol
@Leo Jansen No. It is quite well known the ancestors of the Turkic groups.
Anatolian+Azerbaijan+Iranian turks are Oghuz (Oğuz) turks. Their earliest name was Töles. They were the most numberous group of all turkic groups. Then they reorganized into 8 Oghuz. Then at last re-organized into 9 Oghuz and they moved to west.
Kyrgyz, Tatar, Kazakh are Kıpchak group.
Sakha, Tuva and Bashkorts are Sibir group.
Great video as always but Kings and Generals you didn't mentioned that Hadim Sinan Pasha was killed in the Battle of Ridanieh 1517, while Selim was in the battlefield Sinan Pasha was in the Ottoman Headquarters and the Mamluks thought that he was Selim so they killed him. After the battle Selim expressed his grief:
"We have won the battle but we have lost Sinan".
6:49 Genghis turns in his grave...
Iam waiting for Next Vidio about Ottoman war series , and thanks you for Indonesian Subtitle 😊
Sultan Selim captured a huge treasure and wealth after destroying the Mamluks and said, “Whoever fills the treasure of the state as much as I do, let the treasure be sealed with his seal. If it fails to fill it, let the treasure be sealed with my seal forever. '' The Ottoman State treasury was sealed with Selim's seal until the collapse of the state.
You Never Cease To Amuse Me Kings and Generals . Amazing Detail As Always . The Quality Is Impressive .
the Mamluks knew about guns 60 years before the ottomans but they never used them cause it will require a complete change to the armies and would turn the army to all-infantry army and they thought that using guns is something that cowards would do. look how that turned out for them
and nice video btw
keep up the good work
Yeh, conservatism is not always protective, even sometimes path to the destruction. "that is what cowards would do" argument is void, the problem was extreme conservatism and still is for some cases today. Think about it, let assume guns for cowards then bows and arrows, ballistas are for cowards as well, hadn't memluks use them ever? Didn't they wear armor and used shield(which are not clothes of bravery for sure).
yeah agree with all of you
in the comment section of this very video i can see some saying that the ottomans empire was a gun powder empire, even im not a fan of the ottomans i see they did whats best-served their goals
and what about current great power countries? can we call them Napalm empires? everyone uses what is best for him, we cant deny that thing for the ottomans and be happy when our countries do the same
Welcome to modern warfare. Frontal Calvary charge to guns got what you deserved. It appeared that the Mamluks spent too much time on the beach and did not study warfare development. So Ottoman's success was not a fluke, they mastered combined armed tactics with disciplined troops.
@Soundwave 47 They didn't use guns because the Mamluks were heavier, more armed and they barricaded themselves from enemy arrows. They also fought and demolished many armies which used guns and cannons. The chest plates and helmets worn by the Mamluks were also intense that it was almost impossible for a bullet to penetrate through them.
I wish he made alternative history videos like instead of going to east going to West like Italy like Fatih the MEhmed 1 planned...
Mamluks and ottomans how can my day be more goood than this
Love these, please continue, it makes history come alive.
More on the way!
So much territory annexed the AE must be insane.
he's prob hacking the game to get more than 100% diplo cost for taking province in the peace treaty
forget AE what about the 500% overextension
@@explosiongames11 LOL. Do you know what AE stands for?
Yasin ....... what of corse I know what aggressive expansion is. Question is do you even play eu4 because apparently you don’t know what overextension is
In reality, Ottoman's AE was not insane since Mameluks were not Christian thus no European coalition formed as a direct result of this war. Even among Muslims, do you think any country to the east of Safavids really became mad due to the fall of the Mameluksr? Annexing Hungary gave Ottomans more AE in Europe though.
Being a diplomat and envoy in these times must've been terrifying.
IMO this is the only channel that deserves to put sponsors on their videos. Great job as always
Thank you! :-)
M waiting for more and more ottoman videos U r done great work thaxks for these videos
Thanks, there will be more!
Perfect one, thanks, guys!
Thank you for watching!
AS ALWAYS! Magnificent work! i can see the siege of Rhodes & the battle of Mohacs coming * TRIGGERED *
Thank you!
The greatest of all time
Ottoman caliphate..
Everytime i watch these documentaires i feell proud to call myself a grandson of the ottomans. When i talk about being a ottoman, i dont talk about the family osman i refer to my grandfathers who fight for our honor, for the religion for the respect. When i watch this my blood rushes inside my body and i feel strong and powerfull.
Lol I'm a Turkish atheist but I kind of feel the same way. You could say it's in our blood. Turks were Tengriist before Islam so you can't say it's the religion.
@@TurquazCannabizYou need a powerful ideology to make a sustainable empire that is a superpower of its time. Love it or hate it but one thing for sure Islam is a powerful ideology. Before Islam Turks never formed a sustainable empire with long-lasting cultural influence. In fact , it was the other way around , Turks were ultimately influenced and overtaken by other empires or kingdoms. Such is the case for the Gokturks who ultimately became vassals of the Chinese , and same for the Avars who became vassals of the Byzantines or Attila ‘s empire which quickly crumbled and was overtaken by Germanic tribes or Turks becoming vassals of mongols. Only after Islam did the Turks form long-lasting culturally and technically militarily influential empires such as the Ottoman Empire and the Mughal empire. And while the Seljuk empire did not last that long but its system of upbringing elite governors set by its grand vizier had a long-lasting effect in the Middle East and of course effectively brought an end to Byzantium.
YESSS THE EPISODE I WAS WAITING FOR
Good!
Selim was a very capable leader man...
Wiping out perhaps the greatest cavalry unit in the world at the time using superior technology and clever maneuvering is something only a young Ottoman Empire could've pulled off.
Too bad they declined a few centuries down the line by being beaten at their own game
@Cenk Tüneygök
The death of the prince Mustafa was bad
But Mustafa III during the Russo-turkish wars was a man who deeply understood that a reform needed to take place within the ottoman military
His son Selim III tried to spearhead these reforms but was imprisoned and assasinate by the Jannisaries who wanted to keep their power
They held back the empire by assassinating and placing puppet sultans on the throne for years
By the time they were deposed reforming the empire was too late
Europe was on the brink of industrialisation and was far ahead of the ottoman empire
@Вхламинго
It's not Islam that was to blame, though. Islamic nations promoted and positively contributed to Science too.
It was the Janissaries who hated to lose power and resisted any reforms in fear of losing it.
It's like blaming the Crisis of the Third Century on Greco-Roman Mythology instead of the corrupt Praetorian Guard that ruined it
AMAZING Video as always. I love this chanel!
Thank you!
Yes the Ottoman wars!!!
Edit: Sulaiman the magnificent almost here :)
yes since selim 1 died after 8 years of been a sultan at year of 1520
Now we will see Ottomans at the peak of their power and land controlled under them
Very close!
Sen ne diyon bre kafir
Love to Ottomans from Persia
You know the ottomans don't exist anymore right? Neither does persia
@@kaas352 Mamluks not exits anymore top but u still watching?
Very interesting ... This is a doc where we really learn history ...
Thank you!
Quality Ottoman and Middle Eastern content from you gets a
Thank you for watching!
I hear CK2 music, I see Total War footage, I learn interesting stuff, I click like.
Good!
one of the best RUclips channel, congratulations
Thank you!
Now just waiting for Suleiman's era.
We'll get there!
@@jerrykeranen813 thats not a Kings and Generals video -__-.
I like what you did in 8:13 when you visualized the battle. Looking at the overall strategy is fine, but seeing it firsthand shows the stakes of the battle.
Thank you for seeing that. :-)
this is one of your best videos for me thanks !
Thanks for watching!
I wish we can do it in eu4. I can't annex all mamluks before 1650.
Then you are bad at EU 4 if you can't annex the mamlucks by 1650 as the ottomans
@@Panda-ss3zh Maybe, but you definitely can't do it in just a single 3 year war
@@Panda-ss3zh it is impossible to grow as fast as the real ottoman Empirie did in eu4
I normally annexed the entire Mameluks around 1570. Releasing Syria and use its reconquest CB against Mameluks facilitates this process. However, I can't engulf the entire Mameluks in a single war.
@@MrMukmuk25 Before the age of absolutism, the real Ottomans Empire expanded faster than me. Starting from the age of absolutism, I expand faster than the Ottomans in reality, at least for any patch before 1.26. Starting from 1.26 corruption has become a big problem thus I probably have to halt my expansion, not due to combat skills but extra costs from too many territories.
One of the biggest reasons for this campaign of Yavuz(Resolute) Sultan Selim, the growing activity of the Portugal Navy in the Red Sea and the consequent danger of the Hejaz (Mecca, Medina) territory, the most sacred area of the Muslims. Because Mamluk sultans could no longer protect these lands. It was also one of the reasons for this campaign to control the changing world trade routes.
in any case Selim was a great ruler. His reign was only 8 years but doubled the territory of the state.
Despite the sources, you’ve done a very great job! My sunday is complete ;)
Thank you. :-)
The turks moto : Your land is my land!!!
Rizki Anggoro name 1 empire that didn’t think that way
@@TurquazCannabiz there is no empire that didnt think that way, it is just a joke because the turks were literally everywhere from china, central asia, persia, caucassus, anatolia, and the levant. You can find many empire and kingdom ruled by them in that area.
@@yanelabdelkader8186 if i speak about the british, america, and china, i think my comment will be out of context from the video. The video were talking about the ottoman which is a turkish dinasty. I doesnt have any intention to bring a hate comment.
Russia 1922: * Looks at caucasus and central asia * - "'Your land?' hm? It is *o u r* land now comrade!"
*Earrape soviet anthem starts playing*
@@cakapcakep241 @ilker G: Rizki comment is neither complimentary nor demonizing. It's an objective truth during that time. Look at the battles bw. the political powers controlling Iranian lands (i.e. Persia), Arab lands Iraq, Syra and Hicaz and Egypt all three dynasties (Safavids, Mamluks and Ottomans) are Turks. Although in this video, current Mamluk dynasty is called a Circassian one toppled the Turkic previous dynasty, the last sultan Tomanbay has definitely a Turkic name.
Yavuz sultan Selim is my favorite Ottoman sultan because he knew how to lead an army and expanded the empire so much in such a small amount of time. Think of what he could've done if he ruled longer than 8 years but alas the best always die young.
Some people say sultan Selim only won because of the gunpowder weapons but most of it was still Selim's and his pasha's genius. Do the cannons make the logistics plans? or do the muskets make the strategies of attack? No, a commander must know how to use all of his weapons, soldiers and his terrain to his advantage or else he already lost the battle.
For example an idiot leading a more advanced against a less advanced one but with a better and more experienced general would still lose.
To clarify, he died at the age of 50, not quite young.
@@Batuhanify I know but that's not that old either. Either way what I am trying to say is that he ruled for a to short period of time for a sultan of his calibre.
@@kadudeduder5103 I wasn't clarifying it for you, just those happened to read this :P
thank you for the video. i love that song at the end, "uskudara gideriken" great choice
Yes, a perfect fit.
Battles of The Turks , Everytime I watch or read relationship of this two great states , it gives tears..
@Вхламинго they're
Great Video!!! Thanks❤
From Azerbaijan❤
Thanks for watching!
You guys are awesome! Best channel in youtube
Thanks!
Kinda funny how the ottoman empire in its peak almost became the eastern roman empire it succeded 100 years ago
Infact bigger
Never seem to see these two fight amongst themselves in EU4 at all...
Napoleon I Bonaparte i didn’t give a shit about the Mamlukes just so I could conquer Vienna and finally realize the Ottoman dream of conquering Europe. Made Tunis my biggest ally and made them fight the Mamlukes. Mamlukes are my vassal now :D
What? In almost every game, the Ottomans end up attacking the Mamluks multiple times, annexing at least Egypt
No, Ottomans would rival Mameluks and attack them in most of my games. Selim in real history just did better than most of the AI and player-controlled Ottomans.
guys he is joking, dont take it seriously. They are 200 years old rivals in eu4 always fighting always ottoman winning.
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Memluk rule in Egypt did not end complately though , Otoman Empire ruled Egypt as a semi autonomous state and kept Memluk Beys and nobility (the ones they did not kill after death of Tuman Bey) in power to rule administration of Egypt. When Napoleons French Army invaded Egypt in 1798 Memluks as proxy of Ottoman Empire was still ruling there.
merdiolu well the army effectively died.
Always warms my heart seeing balkan jannisaries being one of the most elite troops in history.
Cheerful thought, isn't it? Having your countrymen raised as a slave warriors?
Vitalis these guys are more honorable than any man in this time
@@Vitalis94 better than putting them in cages
Tactic was using cavalry to lure enemy to in front of canons. You can give a man a bit taste of small victory than you take his life. Brilliant just brilliant.
Selim was a devastating chess player too. No surprise here.
Sultan Selim is a Master General. Let’s go Ottomans
Thank you for another great video!
Thank you for watching!
I think that the Mamluks and Ottomans should have joined each other as brothers as independent countries and fought against each other enemy rather than one another
Great video as always! Still looking forward for a new video of the diadochi.
Thanks, we'll get there!
Nice video; Very well done.
In the First Ottoman-mamluk war of 1485-1491, the kings of Spain Ferdinad and Isabel seen food and other suplies to the mamluks because they fear the ottoman expansion. Sicily was a spanish posseion in this time.
In 1505, began the mamluk-portuguese war in the Indic Ocean. Portuguese expansion stopped the muslim trade routes, breaking in chaos the egyptian economy. One aliance of mamluks, ottoman corsairs (No offical, mainly adventurers or mercenaries) and local muslim kings of Oman, Africa and India joined forces to fight back the portugese, but the muslim fleet was crushed in a big battle on Diu, 1509.
so basically, the Mamluk slaves were more educated than Europe elites.
Hard to say.
VarietyGamer or peter the reader who burned a library lol
@Kayserili38ification Mamluks were Ghulam. Do you know the meaning of Ghulam? They were just like Khasrazmian Turks, Ghulam of Sammanids. It means slave soldiers or servants.
Educated at what? They were unable to make gunpowder weapons themselves. They were 300 years behind rest of the world. Little Venice was more advanced. Italians were the most educated followed by Germans, Spanish, Ottomans and French. Mamluks in this time period used tactics Ottomans stopped using 200 years earlier. Mamluks were more educated than eastern europeans so pretty close.
If they had existed in 700 AD yes. Not the case any more once you reach the High Middle Ages though. That's from about 1000 AD and onwards btw.
And no, that would absolutely not be the case after the Renaissance...
Can we have armies and tactics video for Ottomans?
You will, eventually
@@KingsandGenerals After 2 year still waiting..
Amazing work guys...very informative.
Thank you very much!
i stopped watching Darksider 3 gameplay just 2 watch this documentary because its about the ottomans wars
Thanks :-) I am kinda excited for that game :-)