Why did the Ottoman Sultans Kill their Brothers?
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The practice of fratricide was unique for the Ottoman empire. Putting aside the moral dimension of this practice, on one hand, it weakened the royal family, on the other, palace intrigues were curbed. Do you think it was a net positive for the Ottomans?
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Mehmet probably did not initiate it. The famous law code ascribed to him formally recognizes the rule but describes it as being the practice of his forefathers. It was a way of settling political succession, something that had been a problem for all sovereigns. It wasn't a general rule permitting or approving of killing your brother.
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The Ottomans went downhill after Suleiman stopped the practice. So it probably was good for the empire coz it was basically survival of the fittest
Absolutly unislamic and forbidden. Trying to adapt islamic governance to the model of the byzantines and sassanids brought only more and more problems which necessiated more breaches of islamic rulings. A caliph needs to be chosen/elected either by the muslim populace or by their (natural) representatives all under the eyes/scrunity of the judiciary. Those unideological wrongdoings were key to the intellectual downfall of muslims.
You realize the double headed eagle is a Roman thing?
Ottoman politics > game of thrones
Real history > game of thrones. :-)
@@KingsandGenerals real history is more brutal than game of thrones....like damn.
Stalin+Beria politics > game of thrones
Resurrection Ertugrul(Father of the Ottoman state founder Osman Gazi) -> Game of Thrones
wait... hating game of thrones is like the cool thing to do today?
What did i miss?
>Why did the Ottoman Sultans Kill their Brothers?
CKII players will know why.
Xd
Bartosz Zarosa lmao
@@saminyasar2765 if they have ambition
Phan Quan i prefer imprisonment rather than murder cuz decadence does not feel like a big problem to me and i keep my siblings alive because people love me aside from the pope of course
Well, the Kafes system backfired, since the confined decadence made the people coming out of there cuckoo for coco-puffs, if you know what I mean....
I have bad news bro, dad's dead
*stabs*
And so are you.
Bruh moment
AHAHAHAHAH
Strangling *
they only strangled. no blood
The princes didnt fight their own soldiers fought
When an Ottoman sultan dies:
His children: *Why do I hear boss music?*
Lol..
Sultan Ahmet the first ended the killing brother.
FireflyDivision
Shut up.
@@tomwalker389 no u
Why do I hear coffin dance music?
“ Tolerate no rivals”
-Darth Vader
"I'm gonna kill all 20 of my brothers"
- Mehmed III
Will he killed lots of younglings so he has experience lol
tbh dForce13, I am very surprised rival kingdoms or empires to the Ottoman's didn't use those situations against them more often. One conveniently timed assassination and the Ottoman's at numerous times would have devolved into full fledged anarchy.
Also Caesar's spirit
>Worry about succession wars
>Maintain a Royal Harem that maximizes the amount of children born
Hey, natural selection it is. May the best guy win (and do it without damaging the state and empire)
Isn't marrying more than 4 unallowed in islam? Gee they break lots of their rules.
@@TearDaTaco yeah in Islam even if you have more than a wife you need at least wealth to support your family, and you must love all your wives equally. Beacuse it's impossible to love them equally so lot of advice against polygamy.
@@argaandri1077 no dude I heard that there is a limit.. only 4 wives.
@@TearDaTaco yeah, but what he said is also true, if you can't be fair then don't do polygamy
"Some of you may die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make." Mehmed II, circa 1450
Mehmed II was born 1432 bro ..
@@starkjr.8990 He became sultan at the age of 12
@@emeraldaxx8631 just think a 12 year child ordering to kill his brothers 😢😰😰😢🤬🤬
@@harkabirsingh1122 whats the matter pranjeet?
No you idiot. He became sultan in 12 but had to abdicate because of 1444 varna battle. He again became sultan when he was 20 years old.
Brothers of The Ottoman sultan have a strong claim on all his titles according to CK2.
all ottoman ruler vassal ( -100 opinion " ottoman prince alice "
by fighting brothers, the most talented wins and manages the state better, if the remaining brothers revolt, they will be killed, the empire will not be shared, it will be weak, otherwise
Short answer: To stop succession wars.
long answer : how?
fix the human.But still, Even though the prince doesnt want the throne, there will always be someone who incite the prince to rule , like this " hey you are the true throne successor " , and the prince got influenced and then ... Or change to a system that will oppressed the killing competition
I mean, they could've just found another way.,
@@lordblazer Lolz for your over simplification. It's easy for you to say "just find another way", I would love to hear your well thought out idea how to do it
@@MeowyBrigade I dont get it weren't their contemporaries in Europe often able to have a few peaceful successions without automatically killing all their siblings? It doesn't appear that they achieved more stability in their time than other kingdoms / empires.
Could you explain how tge Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation works. Is damn complex and changed many times in his 1000 year of existence.
That is such an interesting topic. Thank you :-)
A channel called reallifelore made video about it give it a watch
You'd need a whole series for the entire empire. It'd be easier to focus on one century such as the 1500s or 1700s. The role of the Imperial government changed a lot over time and one needs a detailed analysis of it to show its true complexity.
I second that request.
Also thanks from Turkey for making such a video so that people around the world know about it too.
you will need more than 1 video for that
Among Turks this is considered as the ultimate sacrifice of the Ottomans. Their priority was the continuation of the empire even before their family. That is why being a member of the dynasty was a blessing and a curse at the same time. You could be the ruler of the world or end up six feet under at young age!
from 1300s to 1900s and ottoman priority was the continuation.. while roman empire was 1500s years while letting everyone , who has money , armies to take over lol
@@jullsoll6459 In Turkic states, there is no change of dynasties possible. If a new dynastie is ruling over the country, it will become another state. Rome had multiple dynasties ruling it over 1500 years. The Ottoman dynstie alone however ruled over 600 years in their territories. And in Turkish there is a saying for the state -> Devlet-i Ebed Müddet. This means that the Turkic state will last forever and since Ma-To Khan organized the Xiongnu Khaganate after he defeated his father the Turkic state never ended up in no-existence. There were different dynasties ruling over the state and so the name of the state changed multiple times, but the Turkic state itself never fell apart.
@Chipmunk Live in Berlin and you will feel the same as him.....
@@januszkowalski5345 hahahaha, you just hate Turks.
@@januszkowalski5345 Mafia state was a thing in only 90's. Caused by CIA backed Gladio organisations.
It reminds me one of the most important rules of the Sith Code: They should only be two.
:-)
Wow! Kings and Generals realized and made popular my comment. Thanks
😀
A ottoman sultan takes power. Execute order 626!
It is even funnier when you consider the jedis are some sort of monks or knight templars.
Ottoman princes exists:
Ottoman Sultan: "There can be only One!"
The Ottoman were playing CK2 for real
@M D Crusader Kings 2, its a Grand Strategy game from Paradox, they might look boring and intimidating at first but ones you get into it shit can Get Epic
@M D it's a strategy game for those who don't know how to play Victoria
Ricardo Guanipa turks*
:D
Nope... CK2 is based on ottomans.
So you're telling me, almost all the sultans had a mangekyou sharingan?
bighomie jomar Hahahahahah
Many of them even had EMS...
bighomie jomar itachiiiiii and sasukeeeee!
no wonder they win all the wars!
Lol
It's actually pretty amazing the Ottoman empire lasted as long as it did considering the incredibly unstable transfer of power system they had adopted.
it was not unstable when 2.selim had improved it upon nearly perfection. One would go learn statecraft come back and sit on the throne when his father died, kill all his brothers who were learning statecraft with other devsirme's in the imperial school. This to maintain stability in the empire's politics to be able to continue and harass its neighbours, to not worry with internal crisis. The backbone of the empire were the devsirme's, taken from the empire's christian subjects and turks (later). When they died their treasury would go back into the imperial treasury to maintain liquiditation and thus centralize the empire. The dynasty of osman was there as a figure but when a reformist sultan would come he could reform without opposition since there would be no other dynasty to place on the throne. Later when sibling kill was abolished, there was always but always internal crisis and nepotism began by a naive sultan ( who was installed by coup) who then abolished the motor of the empire, the devsirme's. By this abolishment the government positions were open to everyone with money or connection and the nepotism age began. ( 1640's abolishment, 1670's no more devsirme's in high positions and by late 1700 no more devsirme).
What is impressive is that the Ottoman dynasty survived despite this system.
Imagine a sultan is infertile or, for some reason (accident, illness or even murder) dies before producing a son.
Without a surviving brother/nephew/cousin, it means the end of the dynasty.
@@libiusperseus this was likely due to the polygamistic nature of Islamic marrage systems as a Sultan would likely have a harem of wives, this practice has survived and is still practiced.
@@forickgrimaldus8301
Yeah.
Having many wives maximizes the chances to produce a son.
However, it does not assure the sultan is fertile and won't die for some reason before having a son.
@@libiusperseus so they pick the most fertile son
I especially appreciate these Ottoman videos as western documentaries rarely focus them. It's always Rome, Egypt and China.
Thank you :-)
Well, what have the ottomans contributed to our society? The chinese made gunpower and perfected the wheel, the romans made the law we use, Egypcians were masters in agriculture. What did the ottomans do, exactly, apart from destroying a two thousand years old empire and ripping its culture apart?
Documentaries are made to expose a topic. There isn't much to reveal about the ottomans other than their barbarisms, while you can spend hours and hours in length talking about these civilizations you mentioned, one of which, the ottomans destroyed.
There is a reason why west tends to ignore ottomans. I think it is related to the legacy of ottomans left in the memory of Europe.
@@Zeugmaios it ignores them because europe has other greater empires ( british , spanish ) " empire that the suns never sets on " the british and spanish for a short time where the wealthiest empire in the world and british where the strongest navy for alot of time , the french had the strongest land army , the russian empire had the largest continious land an european empire ever had . much of the world speaks english and uses french and brtiish based technology , from the british empire are today one of the strongest nations ( USA , India ) and the roman empire is the first empire to dominate europe as well as completly own the mediteraneean , the ottomans didnt have such large millitaries , navies and except turkey and i think azerbaijan no other countries speak turkish
@@MlokLik Two things the Ottomans gave the world : Massacre and the mighty Baklava XD
NEXT VIDEO: *Why did the Habsburgs marry their relatives*
Can it Napoleon you married a Hapsburg.
Pajeet Singh Gurkha Gupta build toilet first then talk.
@Pajeet Singh Gurkha Gupta the hapsburgs were cristian.
So the crown would stay in the family
Because they watched Game of Thrones and wanted that silver hair/purple eyes.
Ottoman princes: **exist**
Ottoman Sultan: “now you’ve entered PVP zone”
They Educated diplomacy, administration and politics. They all knew pro gamer moves.
When you're brother of the Sultan and the olives start talking turkish
Underrated comment
Can you explain please?
Assassins
@@fyedoravna7569 I think he's referencing the meme about siege of byzantium "when the walls start speaking Turkish" with poisoned olives. Yes, poisoned olives don't talk Turkish but talking Turkish here is an euphemism for killing you.
@@fyedoravna7569 It's the meme about the Vieatnam War "when the trees start speaking Vietnamese" but olives are a common plant in the Mediterranean core of the empire so
5:59 You forgot to mention the influence of Ezio Auditore on the succession of Selim I and defeat of Sehzade Ahmet XD
Assassin's creed: syndicate
@@publicconvent7585 Revelations
Yusuf speaks perfect english but speaks Turkish shitty lol
For the assassin I
Hahaha 😂
Can we all just step back and examine the fact that Suleiman seems to have been half onion. I am in awe at the size of that headgear.
it means he won a lot of wars
The venetian doge also wear a weird hat just find their picture on google
Guess he had really bad hair day
+Rizki Anggoro
Damn, why did you need to remind me of Crash Course World History, episode 18?
+Rizki Anggoro
Damn, why did you need to remind me of Crash Course World History, episode 18?
Jeez justimagine, growing up with your brothers, being tutored and trained together. Always aware at the back of your mind that one day one of you will have to kill all the others
they dıd not grow up togheter as sıblıngs.. they all had theır own traıners teachers etc and when they were old enough to have theır own harrem or thrown thats when the bgest man was chosen..
@Orhan Demir yes, the problem is they were all want power to be sultan. to have power you should take a risk to be killed.
@@almalayuwiyyah2512 Those poor little children didnt want power, they did not choose to be born a prince.
Keep in mind that their mindset and values were vastly different from ours. They were raised in an environment in which killing siblings were deemed perfectly normal.
@@nqh4393 Sick
Sultan: hey Bro guess who just became Sultan!
Brother: no way that’s so cool! I hope I can be Sultan one day!
Sultan: hehe... yah about that, want to go see my silver bow string collection, that father would never let us into!
Brother: no way! Father never let us in their, your the best Sultan ever!
*Que sad anime soundtrack*
Borat jumani That's actually really depressing especially if you picture the brother as a young kid.
Amk ya ndskanx
@@YamacKocovali7 if you watched Kosem, Reminds me of the first episodes between Ahmed and Mustafa
top 10 anime betrayals
Omar Amkh yes I thought the same thing too
I think its similar to the State of Cao Wei in China during the 3K era. While they did not kill their family, they severely weakened the influence of the relatives of the Emperor and they basically had no power. While this meant they has nothing to fear from relatives if also meant they lacked allies in court politics which allowed the Sima Clan to usurp the throne and establish the Jin. You need a balance of familial power or you will fall eventually.
Well said Kaiser.
Take a shot every time someone gets strangled
And, we are dead.
Good luck at 8:40
Is that one drink per strangulation or just when someones strangled. Alot of strangulations happened at the same time so it's a subtle but meaningful distinction.
Nice video as always @Kings and Generals! I would like to see a standalone video of the janissaries in the Ottoman Empire. How the system worked, how they got trained and overall their history from the early ages of the Ottomans to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Would be very interesting! Keep up the good work.
If this was not game of thrones in real life, I don't know what is.
You should read about Hürrem and Kösem sultans Intrigues
I am from Turkey and the video is awesome and very true. Good job.
Thank you!
No such country as "turkey" you probably mean Turkmenistan or asian minor
@@fritz404 which world do you live in? How Turkey is not a country he? Can you explain?
@@talhakaratasoglu2968 its name isn't Turkey
fritz turkic brother turkmenistan uzbekistan kazakhistan kırgızistan azerbaycan north Cyprus turk republic and autonomous area tataristan ,saha yakut, baskurt çuvaş, dagistan besides turkoman population live iran 35 -40 million irak 2 million syria 1.3 million turkoman .turkoman turkish language =turkmen . .we is family .I am from central anatolia turkey .I am turkoman .my family nomad.I am dentistry student .cenral anatolia central = cappadocia .you visit turkey .my cultural is very very big . My family nomad culture .my English language is bad . :) excuse me
Quality of your vids is just better and better with each week passing, love it!
Thank you very much!
Thank you very much for that instrumental at the end of this video. All the Best!
Just found this channel and video. Loved it! Looking forward to binging all other videos.
Welcome aboard!
Great video indeed! I remembered 2 weeks ago I had issues with Ottoman successions. Now you guys just kept the promise and released a video explaining this topic. By the way, the music piece in this video, Üsküdara Giderken was very symbolic of this empire.
They prefer to be the only child.
“Ahem ahem Ramsay”
Ugh. The GoT character I loathe the most, glad he died.
He was also scary, but in the time since I finished watching season 7 of GoT, I found some series with even scarier characters. The one that scared me the most didn't have any siblings (thus, no fratricide) but he's pretty damn insane.... Talinight....
Walda: "Ramsay, where is Lord Bolton?"
Ramsay: "In the kennels. He wanted you to meet him there with my little brother :)"
Even in the books, he is a (possible) kinslayer. Ramsay is Lord Bolton's legitimized son. His first son was Domeric Bolton, which died short after he found out that he has a brother.
Roose: "Ramsay will kill them all of course. That's for the best. I will not live long enough to see new sons to manhood, and boy lords are the bane of any House. Walda will grieve to see them die though..."
"If the kinslayer is accursed by both gods and men, what is a man to do when one son slays another?"
@@worsethanjoerogan8061 Exactly. But, wasn't father instead of man?
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6:00, for all Assassin’s creed fans, this is part of the plot of Revelations.
Ah that explain the tension in revelations.
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Thanks for being with us for a long time.
The Amount of Potential wasted due to fratricide and Golden Cage costed Ottomans their Empire.
That is a fair point. Many European princes became good generals or administrators.
Not that I condone the action, but that may be what allowed for that singular dynasty to reign for so long.
subseven On the flip side that might've been to the state's detriment. Perhaps other families could've been adaptable enough to keep it strong after the 17th century
@@louie97ation You're probably right. We might even have an Ottoman empire today, simple ruled by a different family. If they managed to stick it out longer they may have been like the Kings and Queens of England. Secure in their positions but not actually heads of government
It was not possible. Because it was not about the desire of the princes. It was about the desire of the royal court officials. If a prince was alive, that would cause the insubordination among generals and ministers. All they needed was an alive Shehzade or Prince to start a rebellion. The ottoman later changed the policy and started to lock up the princes due to the same reason (Palace conspiracy), which had worsen the situation. Ottomans could not develop a peaceful succession law due to the mindset of the Royal officials. It was their major failure.
Nice video, but you forgot to mention the actual reason.
In the central Asiatic tradition of succession, one must has the blessing of the god, Tengri (Later Allah). We call this blessing "Kut". All the sons of the ruler have Kut in their blood so all have equal claim on the throne. That is why dividing the country (like Mongolians) was a common practice among Turks as well. Both Mongolians and Turks followed such central Asian practices. Therefore, spilling blood of an heir is also forbidden, because the blood has "Kut" in it, it is holly, so this may curse the land.
So Turks prefered killing "kut" persons in other ways like choking with bow string rather than using sword and anykind of sharp device.
@@deaclavilis6760 yes. It sounds really bad, totally understand :D but its a simple equation, for the greater good. Those are the realities of those days unfortunately.
@@ecrinyldrm9509 Old people were killing for political purposes, it was rule of the day. Anyway, what I want to add, Turks broke it in some cases however like execution of prince Mustafa, son of sultan Suleiman The Magnificient. Zal Mahmud Aga broke prince's resistance with an axe, which ended up with prince's blood spilled. Probably sultan must be felt bad about it. At least Ottomans could know successor of the throne usually and could get rid of all "unwanted heirs", Romans - Byzantines even did not know who were going to be the next emperor :d. "The god choses who is the worthy enough to take and control of the command of Romans".... What a great succession formulation, well done, series of military civil wars and coups :d. But I must admit that the Romans - Byzantines usually did not kill family members of imperials like Ottomans did unless the new emperor was crazy like Phocas or there was an assassination attempt. Romans preferred sending them to monasteries or turning them unsuitable to the throne by making them imperfect like turning them into an eunuch or cutting off their nose, ear etc. Actually it was a Persian tradition later adopted by Byzantine Romans. In Turkic tradition, the state belongs to a family while in Roman tradition state was actually belongs to any of existing families, it is only representation of heaven and god's kingdom, so god and all of his people (generally Christians, specificly Romans) owned the state.
@@deaclavilis6760 No it was sultan ahmet 1 who stopped fraticide not Suleiman .
@@deaclavilis6760 During Suleiman's Persian campaign, his army halted in Ereğli for a while. While Suleiman's army was in Ereğli, Rüstem Pasha made an offer to Mustafa to join his father's army. At the same time he warned Suleiman and persuaded him that Mustafa was coming to kill him. He was accused by his father because of Hürrem sultan and Rüstem Pasha.
Mustafa accepted Rüstem Pasha's offer and assembled his army to join his father's. Suleiman saw this as a threat and ordered the execution of his son. When Mustafa entered his father's tent to meet with him, Suleiman's guards attacked Mustafa, and after a long struggle they killed him using a bow-string. The name of the man who strangled Şehzade Mustafa was Mahmut Ağa. He was Rüstem Pasha's right hand. He didn't killed with Axe.
Most of you guys try to judge what ottomans did in 15th century with your 21st century views. Things were different 500 years ago, and you're judging their actions based on your (21st century's) values.
Almost all turkic states went to civil war and disintegrated because of letting all the princes rule different parts of the empire. Mehmet saw it was coming for ottomans as well (the latest example was seljuks, empire divided into four separate states and then another nomadic group from the central asia wiped it out completely) he had to did something and he did.
Do you really think they were enjoying killing their brothers? I'm pretty sure they wanted to find another way. If they could find something better, they would change the system.
They wrote poems for their desth brothers. Apoligized
@Renan Uysal his dad was too old to still be a sultan so he had to give one of his two sons the throne and one of them was a traitor who wanted to trad the country for the sasanian ruler's daughter so selim killed his brother
So morality is based on your opinion?
@@NobodyIshere70 History 101: ''do not judge events based on your (today's) values. try to understand how things were back then.''
I'm saying they didn't live in the 21st century like you or me. and you're trying to judge them based on your 21st-century values. They didn't have those values 5 century ago (makes sense, right? they LIVED LIKE 5 CENTURIES AGO, AFTER ALL).
@@simpletrailers1161 650 years
Mustafa was a promising heir
As anyone who watched Extra History can say. And let's not even get started on Suleiman's youngest, yet sickly son: Çihangir.
BV The Montenegrin Mapper Cihangir*
At the same time, its not unreasonable Suleiman would kill him. After all, Suleiman's father Selim was ambitious enough to overthrow his father and murder his brothers, would Mustafa not do the same if he could?
@@jamestang1227 It just disturbs me thinking of how a father and a ruler would kill his best heir and son on the whim of a concubine. Also how this decision changed the outcome of the Empire and all its people
Larkin Hancock there were many poems about him and it is said Venetians prayed at night “to save them from Mustafa’s Succession” because he was ‘fated to be greater then his father (Suleiman the Magnificent). I guess God heard them.
Just play Crusader Kings 2, you will understand it pretty quickly.
Keep going bro💓 keep posting new videos with accurate and data💓
Thank you!
Kösem Sultan actually eliminated the slaughtering of brothers; she was the consort of Ahmed I, and one of the most influential Regents of the Ottoman Empire. The practice was later dissolving when Kösem’s step-son; Şehzade Bayezid was executed by Sultan Murad; Kösem’s own son. Much later; Kösem Sultan was strangled to death by her own hair and Turhan Sultan disposed Sultan Ibrahim placing her own son on the Ottoman throne.
Sultan Murad kendisini tahttan indirmek istedikleri için kardeşini öldürttü
Murad also executed his brother Kasim and would have executed Ibrahim, except he got too sick and died first.
She did not, it was Ahmed I and even then law would continue to be ignored by his sons. It wasn't until Turhan Sultan's reign that the law became actually effective. Mehmed IV once tried to execute his brothers but she stopped him.
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Great video!
You should cover Ottoman-Mamluk War
Next :)
Thanks! Planning to!
Thank you for the excellent work done. Their is request, Please kindly make video on the battle of talikota 1565.
This is such a cool topic! I used this for a fantasy novel that I’m writing to add drama between royalty
Read about Kösem sultan and Hurrem
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Gavelkind/Elective: I am the worst form of goverment in CK2.
Imperial Byzantine: Hold my beer greeny.
@@Saguser-jl7dr7wy9t Byzantines revolt as a traditional ritual.
@@antonioklaic4839 yeah.
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Thank you for watching :)
I love how they interpreted the spilling of blood as to literally make someone bleed, as opposed to killing them
the muslim clergy gained notoriety in the muslim world for such twisted interpretations...the sultan consulting the sheikh ul islam: but sheikh, the book says i cannot kill...the sheikh: the book doesnt say u cannot kill, it just says u do not spill their blood...the sultan: are u saying theres a way out?...the sheikh: yes, strangulate them...no blood...the sultan: jeez, u just saved me.
After Timur captured the city of Sivas, the Armenian Sipahis (Ottoman soldiers) in the city killed Timur's Garrison and took control. Timur said that if they surrender to the ottoman soldiers, he would not shed blood. After the soldiers surrendered, he dug a big hole and buried 4000 Armenian sipahis alive. So he didn't shed blood.
It is based on an old Turkic belief from Tengrism called Kut , which means right to rule is a divine essence in blood , granted by god to all descendants all rulers.
@@safiuddinmohammed1224 If that is true, that is one big bruh.
And I imagine that strangulation is not one of the most pleasant ways to die.
I've learnt a new word from this video: Fratricide.
what does that mean
Wololo
@@mohamednsiri7713 brother killer
How do you say it in english ?
@Бастин Џибер what a stupid comment. Another Russian troll :)
Good work bro! :))
Man. I love this channel.
Happy to hear that! :-)
Good job guys! This channel has bright future, it became so good! Love the content. It's funny to see so many people discussing politics and religion. I mean this is history channel, it should stay so. Like to read hate comments they make my day.
Thank yoU!
A Game Of Thrones of kinda series about the ottoman empire could be very lit; Kin Killing, Sultanete of Women, Euneuchs, Scheming, Mideastern/European culture, Black Grand Viziers (Zanj) etc
Magnificent Century exists
Thank u very much. That u will be covering some stuff about ottoman empire. Because there are many videos about the European empires but very less about islamic or eastern empires. Very very appreciated. 👍👍👍
Thanks, more on the way!
Great episode
3:05 hmmm I wonder which one became sultan, the one with a title and portrait or the other one
With title and portrait he is Yıldırım Beyazid.
Adam espri yapıyor@@rome5485 kardeşim.
Horrifically enough, the idea that fratricide would spare the Empire pain only really increased the odds that the new ruler would be the most dangerous psychopath of the the bunch. Specifically, it ensured that all the Princes hated each other, and most of them would hate their Father as well, as naming an heir apparent is tantamount to wishing all the other Princes dead. So when the Princes aren't helpless squirmy babies it guarantees that they will go to war to save their own skins if nothing else.
Great video. Thanks from Turkey :)
It would be very interesting if you could Cover videos like this About the Safavid empire too. So far i enjoyed most of the videos in this channel. Keep up the great work
Thanks! There are a few videos on the Ottoman Safavid wars
This series is going 2 be interesting
Man, who knew that the price for fabulous furniture was murdering your family...
Great video great work its always lovely feel to see ottoman histroy
Thank you!
thank you for your nice videos 😍😍😙
Thanks for watching!
This is a good video which condenses the history of Ottoman fratricide into an informative manner - one interesting thing that you could have mentioned is that the reign of the "Mad Sultan" Mustafa I was also the one which oversaw the first regicide in Ottoman history: the murder of the teen Sultan Osman II. Osman deposed his uncle Mustafa with the help of a reforming faction at court (but notably did not kill him - the slaying of a sitting Caliph and Emperor was still much too great of a taboo.) He put in motion a number of changes, but the one that went too far for the conservative elements at court was that he planned to eliminate the Jannisaries and replace them with a normally waged army based on the model of Swedish emperor Gustavus Adolphus. Because of this, palace factions of the ulema and jannisaries mobilized against him and killed him to reinstall Mustafa on the throne - the first ever killing of an Ottoman Emperor.
@@lastword8783 Because the jannisaries had too much power and they realised that the jannisaries started killing sultans to get money (Cülüş:Good sum of money given after the ruler of the empire changed)
The empire for a time was practically ruled by the jannisaries, reforming them would be disadvantageus.
What stops them from doing it again?
Agreed. The story of Young Osman (Osman II) is one of the most interesting and saddest one, I think.
I watched the video made by channel Leydi Rum about the story of Young Osman and it was so heartbreaking to see his rise and fall, brother turning against brother, the scheming of Kösem Sultan behind his back and the death of Young Osman. He was ahead of his time but the janniseries were unreasoning and ruthless to him.
The only Sultan that was murdered by his own men.
The youngest one too.
I would like to point out that there is a debate whether "feudalism" as a defined concept actually existed because every region in Europe and Asia had a different model of government that almost never exactly corresponded to what we would think of as "feudalism". Some people think we should stop using it as a term at all as it overly simplifies many areas and their systems of government. Its an interesting thought.
That is a good point and, as you said, there is a debate going on. There are many economic and political schools of thought, so it is often difficult to reach a consensus.
I see this idea a lot and I don't really get why it's such a huge issue. Yeah there were different kinds of "Feudalism" but if they weren't all exactly the same that doesn't mean they didn't have commonalities. You could say the same thing about "Imperialism" Roman imperialism was very different from Aztec imperialism, but they both had a lot of similarities in practices and outcomes.
One of the questions I always struggled with was "is serfdom slavery? If so, when does it cross the line? Can you have some rights and still be a slave?". I have no firm answer to these questions
@@worsethanjoerogan8061 In terms of linguistic we could argue forever. If I remember right greek "slaves" had rights. You could argue that it depends on how much freedom everyone else has in comparison to you.
Great video
Thank you!
Love the music in the end
Hurrem, GODDAMN! Great content by the way, please keep doing this kind of stuff.
We will, thank you :-)
And Bayezid's picture is from the Mühtesem Yüzyil :)
Hurrem ( Aleksandra ) was actually Serbian and Mahidervan was Albanian..
@@kanal2123a | Hurrem was born in a town that is located in Ukraine, today. Since there was no Ukrainian nationality back then, and since the town was controlled by Poland at the time of her birth, it is pretty safe to assume she was either Polish or Ruthenian (Rus', or Rus'+Polish mixed)
@@sowhat249 Her family was half Serbian and half Polish, they lived in area near modern day Crimea and she was taken during the war, Mahidervan was Albanian but not Balkan Albanian, her family was one of few Albanian families that dared to stay in Crimea that is also why Hurem and her hate each other, Crimeans and Ruthenians didn't really have good relations :P
“The Sultanate of Women” kinky ;)
You guys called it that. :D
Very interesting video.
central authority, man... keeps me going!!!!
A few things, first; Bayezid also started his reign with fratricide by strangling Yakub, it was not during the battle. Secondly: Mehmed II did NOT appoint one of his sons as his heir, there was no crown prince when he died
Really good video, my big problem with it though is calling the Ottoman administrative system "feudal", you can't just refer to any class or state hierarchy in the middle ages as Feudalism, especially after describing an administrative style that literally doesn't even come close to fitting the general definition of a feudal system. Hierarchy and Feudalism aren't interchangeable terms.
Now, I know where you are coming from, but Feudalism is more than an administrative system, it is a mode of production. And for centuries, Ottoman economy was based on the subsistence economy, with the added bonuses of military Feudalism and serfdom. Only real difference between the Ottoman and Western European Feudalism was the vassalage system, which the Ottomans has replaced with a direct administrative appointments.
really good explanation
Thanks to you, we learn our history
Listening to this reminds me of Devin's CKII series so much...
*_All hail The Island!_*
4:33 No! Because he is believed that to pour the blood of Dynasty will bring bad luck. this belief came from Central Asia wiht Turks
Curse uporn Empire*
Amazing video guys, keep up the good work! May i ask you a question? do you know what religious authorities back then thought and said about ottoman fratricide?
Thanks for watching! I don't think the Pope or any other Christian hierarch said anything about that, despite the fact that Cem was a guest (hostage?) of a Pope for years. Now, Islam generally prohibits fratricide, and the sheikh-ul-islams used that fact to take over the process and deny the Sultans the implementation of this rule.
@@KingsandGenerals wow, thx a lot for fast answer! and what about islamic authoritites before time when sheikhs of islam started to forbid sultans to do this? Like in time of question of succession after sulayman and in times of sultans before him? For example at 4:18 it says that Mehmed III claimed to have approval of jurists. Were these sharia jurists?
Traditionally Ottoman princes were sent as governors to the provinces upon reaching the age of maturity in order to acquire practical experience with running the empire. This was where they built up their power base from which to launch their bid for the empire. During the reign of Süleyman the Magnificent (r. 1520-1566) the empire witnessed particularly brutal warfare between his sons during the last decade and a half of his reign. Whether a direct result of this or not, the next two generations of Ottoman rulers began practicing what the historian Leslie Peirce calls "temporary reproductive monogamy," such that they bore only one son with one concubine before coming to the throne, after which they were free to take up other concubines and have more children. This had critical consequences, for when Selim II died eight years into his reign (1574), his son Murad III was the only prince elderly enough to possess a provincial governorship - Selim's five other sons were still children in the palace. Thus they were easy targets for Murad to execute. Murad likewise had only one son at the time, the future Mehmed III. When Mehmed took the throne he had his young brothers executed yet again, but this time there were 19 of them - Murad had been prolific with his concubines. This horrified the population of Istanbul. Rather than princes proving their worth on far-away battlefields as in the past, now the leading prince was simply massacring innocent and helpless children in the palace, and the population was witness to their many coffins being paraded out of the palace - the mausoleum in which they are buried is still open to the public in Istanbul today, just outside Hagia Sophia.
1-Orhan wasnot first picked by his father to ruel it ws alaadin but aaldin willingly gave the throne to orhan cuz he saw orhan to be more capable
2-Murad 1 did chose bayezid 1 as his successor
3- mehmed 2 killed no one he was announce a rule by his father twice as explain before in the series and
Interesting to note is that the Byzantines used to blind and exile pretenders and claimants to the throne rather than killing them. Maybe the Ottomans should have look at that, or bring those children to India to some random poor family. Better than killing them.
The Ottomans were really good administrators. This comes from copying and using the things that work and abolishing things that don't. Civil wars were really relevent in the Seljuk Empire, they learned from their experiences with the Seljuks that such an action will 1. weaken the region and 2 erupt civil war;
Had the Ottomans been Christians, they could have required the younger sons to become celibate monks (thereby excluding them from succession).
@@jamestown8398 The problem with that is, that it is legally right (in hypothesis) however, usually the argue to the throne is not directly influenced by the princes. It was common that vezirs or grand vezirs sided themselves with princes for their own benefit (thr act of manipulation happens very early on). So that celibate monks thing doesn't matter as well.
The problem lies with a rebellion in the early to mid 15th century. After Ankara, one of Bayezids son was taken by the Timurids only to return after Mehmed I secured his rule. He claimed the throne while Mehmed did not recognise him as his brother so another rebellion broke out.
The importance of this story is that there is no 100% guarantee of exiling the relatives. Someone unknown can claim to be a claimant.
Can you pls refer to the musics that have been used in this video.. they are awesome as well
I don't know if this question will be answered, but;
In looking at the sources of this video in the description, out of curiosity, which one of the books explains that Mehmed II established the Fracticide law and killed his brother? It's a headache to be searching around the internet for a Turkish source of this...
Thanks.
Sad that the Sultans Had to kill their brothers.
@God bless America wot..... That's the dumbest thing I ever heard......
Islam disallows murder.
y'all need Ali
God bless America is an idiot. Islam is the peaceful religion. He don't know 00.01% of Islam.
If Islam is the peaceful religion, why is there war in Jemen?
This was a great video, and i particularly liked the focus on the Sassanian legacy on the Islamic World, but i do have some constructive feedback.
I think more focus could have been given to the steppe background of the Turkic peoples. The Ottomans never forgot that they had descended from the Steppes, and were acutely aware of the dictates of the Yasa (the steppe law of Jenghiz), which remained thoroughly entrenched in Turkic tradition. The Yasa, which was also in many ways (including the name) adapted into the Ottoman secular law, clearly notes that succession is only legitimate through a Kuriltay, and any son can advance their claim equally, even to the point of summoning an anti-kuriltay to declare themselves Khan, at which point war is inevitable.
The Ottomans, and perhaps the Turkic Peoples themselves, were a people at war with their own souls, because they wanted to show the world that they were mighty Persian Kings worthy of the model of kingship outlined in the Shahnameh, but entirely unable to forget that they had been Steppe warriors, and in many ways these two traditions couldn't be reconciled.
That is a fair comment. I am aware of the "identity crisis" of the Ottoman sultans. They tried to incorporate too many stories and symbols - Nomadic Warrior, Sassanid Shah, Caliph, Caesar, Defender of the Orthodox Christians and the Jews, European King, Just Ruler, Gallant Poet and so on and so forth. It is really hard to express and explain it in a short video.
@@KingsandGenerals That's true enough. But i think that the other identity elements, Caliph and Governor of the Orthodox and Jews, aside, are not part of succession and in this respect are fairly minor. Without covering the cultural inheritance of both Persia and the Steppe, we lose the ability to truly understand the Ottoman character.
'Yasa' means law in turkish btw
"They wanted to show they were mighty Persian Kings"? What?
The Ottoman Sultan's never saw themselves affiliated with the Persians. The Ottomans and Persians were rivals for centuries during the presence of the Ottoman Empire. So let me tell you this, no Ottoman Sultan ever wanted to be like a "Persian King". Persian's were even seen inferior people by the Turks...
cramnkey13469721907 thank you. I don’t know how this guy came up with the Ottoman-Persian link. Two completely different things.
Have you guys ever thought of making a podcast series for Spotify and such? Great success from the likes of Mike Duncun, I'd definitely listen 👊
That is a good idea. :-)
@@KingsandGenerals and now obviously Spotify has updated making sure that anybody can upload audio files. Greater reach and footfall for the channel and could be used as a kind of advert for the videos. Plus I know I can't always have RUclips open so for things like buses it would be great:)
That sultan promotion animation at 6:02 is so slick
I dare say this was rather a negative especially later on, but at first, particularly for Suleiman the Magnificent and some of the successors after, it had worked. I suspect it would have helped that the brothers of some in later years in the 1800s had been in power for the empire - but I think that overall, the infighting was disastrous while some of those whom gained power, particularly in the 17th and 18th centuries, as the rulers were becoming weaker and an oligarchy (the cliques) started to stagnate the Empire thanks to the Kefes which rendered lesser the Sultans.
A jolly good video. Keep it up boys and girls at K&G!!!!!!
Turkish history is indeed full of struggles.. cCc
I am türkisch respect from Tebriz S. Azerbaijan cCc
Salam qardaş
@Chipmunk no
Chipmunk you kinda missed the point tho
can u make more videos about ottomans please this was great !
There will be more!
@@KingsandGenerals thanks!!
Where did you get that map ? i love it.
All the people in the comments who are all up in arms about how this is amoral don't really understand that feudalism itself is amoral. This way, thousands of people don't die the moment the king dies... Only a handful. For most people of the kingdom, this is an incredible mercy.
Sad but true... Thanks to this application Ottoman Empire lived long enough...
Can you explain how does Ottoman army Stucture work it really confusing . Btw nice graphic and detail as always .
Can you share the songs used in the video ? Especially at 9:10, I've never heard that cover of "Üsküdar'a Giderken"