The GENDER WAR STEREOTYPE in The Owl House (The Owl House Video Essay)
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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2024
- It may just be me who had a problem with this but it’s been haunting me to talk about ever since Thanks to Them. So I hope y’all can somewhat understand where I coming at with this video!
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It.. Really isn't that deep. Willow and Gus have interacted WAY more throughout the show than he has with Hunter. If anything, Hunter interacted way more with Luz than he did with Gus. Not to mention Willow and Amity were childhood friends who were forced apart, of course they're gonna be besties when they get back together.
They're all one big mutual friend group, they all love each other equally. There's nothing "pRoBLeMaTiC" about girls or boys hanging out with the same gender, it's a lot more common for girls to get along with other girls and have the same interests, same with boys. Also, girls and boys having separate rooms is just a normal thing, nothing wrong or problematic about it.
Kids aren't gonna watch the show and think they're not allowed to hang out with the other gender, that was such a ridiculous leap, I don't even know how you got to that conclusion. It just sounds like you're picking out petty things to complain about from an amazing inclusive and progressive show.
Amity learned about human stuff from gus yes its to help her with luz but still if they interacted once they can interact again
Amity and Willow were originally friends until amity's parents made her stop being friends with Willow so it's basically just picking up a old friendship or rekindling of an old friendship also Willow and Gus are way closer to each other
I see a few problems with this criticism (not saying there's nothing wrong with the gender war stereotype just saying in this context), like the thing is the last time Hunter and Amity interacted before Clouds over the horizons was when Hunter and Amity had a physical fight and then Hunter made a personal threat to Amity and her loved ones... yeah I feel like thats gonna take a looooot of character development to just bury that hatchet completely, and also Willow and Gus had a lot more screen time then Hunter and Gus, and even if we do only count when Hunter and Gus became friends they still had a good bit of screen time, hell in For The Future it was more Willow, Gus, and Hunter as a trio then just Hunter and Gus, like I do see where your coming from but I just feel like the context just doesn't really support this criticism.
I get your point but also we didn’t see anything between season 2 and 3. I could see sort of frenemy bond at first with Amity still having suspicions about Hunter but forgiving him over time and slowly getting closer as friends towards the start of thanks to them. But then again I do have a bias so take this with a grain of salt.
@@AnemoiaBlues i see what you mean but the show didnt really have time for another arc, and also again in For The Future it was more the 3 amigos (Hunter, Gus, and Willow) then just Hunter and Gus
@@MegaEdeath What I meant by between season 2 and 3 was that we only got a compilation of moments without much dialogue. If we had a full season then I could see a arc between the two characters.
@@AnemoiaBlues well yeah sure, its kinda disimpointing that we didnt get a full season, but i still dont feel like this is a good example of gender wars due to the context of the relationships
@@MegaEdeath Yeah I got a little off topic, sorry about that. Anyways have a great day or night wherever you are!
The separate sleeping quarters, to me at least, didn't seem like gender separation. Or at least not intentional gender separation. Vee I think went back and forth between her and Luz's room and the couch in the living room or she was just sleeping on the couch in the living room the whole time but Luz slept in her bed because it was her bed, Amity slept next to her because Amity was her girlfriend and Willow slept with them because she's the mom friend. So she probably wanted to make sure Luz and Amity were okay plus like the show has shown, Amity and Willow are best friends especially after they hit a rough spot in their friendship for a couple years and then rebuilt their friendship afterwards so that's why they slept together. The only other place Mrs. Noceda had for Hunter and Gus since she didn't plan on having that many kids living in that house was the basement just because they both couldn't just pile on the couch because the couch is already uncomfortable enough and she even apologized for the sleeping arrangements so it didn't seem like intentional gender separation that's just what ended up happening. Besides Gus and hunter sharing the basement led to them finding a common interest and helped them build an even stronger friendship so it didn't seem like intentional gender separation it just seemed more like that's all Luz's mom could do for them on such late notice. But maybe thats just me
i think the sleeping quarters thing is just for privacy's sake
What privacy’s sake??
amity and willow are childhood best friends. hunter and gus became closer due to gus finding hunter and being able to calm him down, which I think is just a good trait of gus’ character. I don’t think amity or Luz could’ve done it the same way as gus would’ve. I don’t think it’s a ‘gender war’, more like people just… like each other’s personalities? 😭😭 also regarding the sleeping quarters thing, I think that’s just what happens, and it would be a bit weird to make a girl sleep with a boy or try and cram them all into one room. It’s just more comfortable for them to be in that situation. also, regarding the interests thing, gus and hunter found out about cosmic frontier due to them both sleeping in the basement, where gus found manny’s old collection. and with amity being an old Azura fan, it wasn’t a gender war thing, it was just another way for luz and her to connect in the first series. Idrk what else to say, this is just what I think, and I don’t think we should dig too far into gender war in the owl house. It’s just a silly little show with some traumatised children dude☹️‼️
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exactly! i was trying to think of a way to phrase it, but this sums it up perfectly. i’m not sure how old the gang is in the show, but no matter their age, it is probably much more comfortable to sleep with those of the same gender- and Luz’s mom probably knew that and wanted them to be as comfortable as possible considering they are in a different world, not knowing what has happened to their friends and family. she was just doing what was best for them, as any parent would (also, if there was any reason that they would want to sleep near different people, they could just say so! but they probably felt most comfortable with the situations given and didn’t feel the need to) personally I don’t think it should be read into so much, because they’re just kids that wanted to feel welcomed and comfortable
I feel like if we had more time with them all in season 3, we would definitely have seen more mixing up of the mini-squads. I never really noticed the separation (I understand having the guys and girls in different rooms from a mom's perspective and also in a...well *not* "modesty" way but just somewhat privacy? There'd be nothing wrong with them all piling together either after a movie or late night hang out... I see plenty of fics that have them all sleeping together in the living room post-king's tide for a bit before they get proper room set-ups). Gus and Willow were and still are extremely close and a healthy platonic relationship. Gus connected with Hunter not because he was a boy (most people see it as that older sibling sort of deal) but he looks up to Hunter after knowing him more. They also all had a "sleep over" of sorts back at the Moonlight Conjuring episode with mixed genders too~
I don't think the owl house is trying to create separation deliberately, but just so happens that these specific characters by chance created these particular bonds (and they all have bonds, we just got less time to see them fleshed out sadly and the crew just had to work with what they had time for). I agree with you that there could have been more purposeful on-screen blending of the groups, and there's a lot of subtext (like another commentor mentioned: Gus and Amity apparently discussing human language together). A lot of the activities involve all of them, and especially scenes in Willow's scrapbook implies there was far more examples! I do often see teens doing this though, it's realistic.
I just had appreciated the Owl House having such a mixed group of genders, apperances, and personalities (and pride!). We have girls talking and having conversations that don't just involve the boys of the group, they all have their own things going on and act like well-rounded characters, and that's the most I could ask for with how little we got to see :') I am filling the void with fanfics and hope they have something that covers more about the adventures in the human realm. I do understand how seeing a lot of gendered separation is frustrating, though, no matter how it's written. Willow and Amity were trying to mend their past relationship and the writing crew put a ton of them interacting in there I guess to reinforce that in Thanks to Them? Gus and Hunter's relation is one of my favorite things in the show and I was happy they connected over something (plus Cosmic Frontier was also Gus trying to throw hints at Hunter about the Grimwalker situation, it had purpose at least as an analogy). Willow took interest in it with them when she said she wanted to borrow the book too ^^ Also Luz and Amity have been connected by Azura from early on and it was another purposeful analogy for how Luz felt she had betrayed her friends. We also got to see Hunter and Luz interacting a ton. It made sense in the context of these characters and was a shorthand for their struggles~ Not excusing or invalidating how it still comes off, I just am talking about in this narrative.
I have read this...
(*And I think I learned English... *)
I like to think asthe hex squad as the trauma group
Very cool video but...Willow and Gus are friends since ever, how don't the genders mix!?
They’ve only been friends for as long as Gus was a student at Hexside, also, bc out of any friendship in the show, the ones between Willow and Amity, and Gus and Hunter were shown by far the most, especially in season 3
@@kalenkotalik Gus studied in hexside for like one or two years before the start of the show, that's not a very recent frendship! Also, every character interacts with each other no matter the gender, with the only big excepton being Amity! Like, if you ignore Amity all of them interact with each other a lot! "Oh, but this character interacts with this other character more than with this" And? Since when is a crime to like or have more shared interests with one person that with another? It's not because it is from the same gender that it becames a crime or something! The chatacters act more like a scoobyz-doo syle gang than anything to be honest, you just look like those people on twitter that try to make everything about gender or skin tone even if it isn't! Let Willow and Amity be besties and Hunter and Gus be nerds
You should have more subs! :)
RUclips hates me just like they hate my brother
@@kalenkotalik same bro or maybe my videos suck unlike yours lol
I cannot hear anything you are saying haha. I think this is nitpicking.