@JoseNoveleiroPoliglota i suppose because she did what her heart tells her kinda, this wasn't proper enough for actual English ladies, ironically she might not be "well mannered" enough for the English
I love how Edith is focusing on Bertie and his feelings while Mary is focusing on how on earth did her scapegoat sister come to outrank her ... lol. Mary's face is very funny! I couldn't stop repeating this scene just to see her expose how little she cares for her sister and how she always thinks she is beneath her.
I always wondered if this reminded Mary of her own situation with Matthew but in reverse. She didn’t want to risk marrying him when there was chance he wouldn’t become an Earl then did want to marry him when he was going to be. In Edith’s case she wanted to be with Bertie when he was ‘just an agent’ in Mary’s words but now not only was he going to be a Marquis but one with A LOT of money and a massive estate. Funny how Mary was always completely uninterested in Edith’s life until there was a chance she could find some happiness. Then she had to get involved and smother it every time.
Please note how Edith doesn’t care about Bertie’s new status and also doesn’t rejoice one bit in Mary‘s surprise and jealousy. Really shows how much she has grown.
Feels good to have something nice happening for Edith And I actually like that Mary is being jealous, it's perfectly in character for her. She's very flawed but that's what makes her human and relatable. (And if Mary was more like Sybil I'm pretty sure the show would be over in 2 seasons, nothing would happen)
After watching this scene many times I only now realize this is a bit odd someone died and yes is means good fortune for edith but still they focus very little on it until later. This also means her fiance is in mourning
@@jlammetjeIs it really? I have interpreted such an attitude as being potentially patronizing: the people below me are harmless and not threatening to me so I will treat them well. But then again I don’t really like Mary much and it’s a pity she doesn’t go through good character development.
@@shreyasubramaniam4942 agreed she has always been extremely selfish and needed to break other peoples happines to feel above others. Never once liked her
Such an unpleasant sibling was Mary, I was delighted fir Edith..she was so deserving of happiness. She was so resilient and faced huge challenges unlike Mary's character. 😊
I went from completely disliking Edith at the begging of the show to root for her every time. She totslly bacame my favorite character. Such a greay evolution she had ❤ tje opposite happened to Mary btw.
@anayadegani626 she did once. She told Mary "you mustn't be unkind to Edith, she has fewer advantages than you". But Edith also grew as a person and changed over the series. She got a job, became independent, wanted to be useful and did away with her ladies maid in the later seasons, preferring to fend for herself. She didn't even use her title at the newspaper, preferring to be known as simply Edith. Mary never changed and I think Cora worried more about her because of that. Edith was going to be fine on her own, like Sybil was.
What gets me is Mary's hypocrisy over Edith in what follows, she tries to ruin her life by the truth about Marigold, yet Mary is certainly no saint, we all remain Mr Pemook (Mary could have gotten pregnant then!!). She's a very spiteful character, I'm glad I don't have a sister like that!!
Agree. Remember how she cried and begged her mother to help cover up the scandal.. and even agreed to marry Sir Carlisle to use him to silent Vera. Now all of sudden, she's looking down on Edith.. as if she's any better
Not only that .. the other Lord she went to a hotel and slept with just because she felt like it. Mary is not a saint but she doesn't see Edith as an equal nor she has any value for her. We all remember when Edith loved that married guy who was trying to get a divorce from his insane wife and she thought the guy was decent and wondered what he saw in her sister and how on earth did he find anything likable not to mention lovable about her. Mary is spiteful and mean just because she can. I am not really a fan of her and I don't understand how people like her because she is "relatable" .. Nothing about her is relatable. how can you relate to someone who wishes ill to their own sister, are mean to them and don't shy away from breaking them. That is not relatable to me.
I know it's just fiction with aristocrats and lesserlings doing what aristocrats and loesserlings do, though I do like a good plot twist that can showcase the venomous drama queen lady Mary and bring her down a notch..
Well... That's just the thing. Both of them are drama queens and spiteful towards each other. Except Mary is more in your face about it, like Maleficent, while for Edith it's more a two-faced game. Throws a pity party for herself and played the "woe me" card plenty times, using underhanded tactics to get at Mary (she got a comment from the dowager duchess in a similar spirit). They both both provoked each other and fired back on separate occasions. It's a sisterly thing when the parents/guardians have no idea how to handle rivalry and "growing pains". Heck, I know of a pair of siblings who had a fallout after a spat that lasted more than a decade, making up only a couple years before they died! (I'm glad that at least in the series the writers had them put aside their differences sooner than tha.) Writers also frequently did both of them dirty where they scrapped seasons' worth of character development for some added sisterly drama. Glad that wasn't the case in the last movie.
I gotta confess something : being the last child of my family and having an older brother who I suspect jalous of me as he always tries to get himself noticed and being pretty full of himself (and of course reminding me lady mary's behaviour), this scene is pretty joyous to me
As an older brother, I’m sorry that you had to go through that. I always resented my younger brothers because I would get yelled at by my dad if they did anything wrong.
not really but lower ranked noble would always know their lower place because higher ranked nobles would get the better seat, first to be announced, etc.
*Not necessarily. But the disparity would become obvious when the higher-ranked nobles were also moneyed and powerful (not all higher-ranked nobles were thoroughly moneyed). And of course, there were the formal occasions, when rank and hierarchy were strictly observed-order of announcements at events, order of seats, order of carriages in a pageantry or procession, etc.*
Its too bad that Edith became a Marchioness, right when titles, ranks and Hierarchy were going out of fashion......i think this was right after the second world war?
I don't think that titles, ranks and hierarchy ever went out of fashion. It is true that the non-titled ordinary people did stop doffing their caps at the aristocracy and this was especially true after the end of the second world war. I forget which book it was that I read, but in the novel it described how after the war how a member of the aristocracy went to a railway station and tried to summon a porter to carry the luggage, but were told to do it themselves. This part of the story in the book was to illustrate how attitudes had changed. However, being someone with a title still carries some influence and some clout in the eyes of far too many and some still aspire to becoming someone titled. Just look at Nadine Dorries who threw a hissy fit because she wasn't given a life peerage and a seat in the House of Lords.
Downton Abbey (and this scene) was set just before and after the 1st World War (1914-1918 for the Brits). The War weakened the aristocracy, firstly, by killing so many young aristocrats and, secondly, because taxes were raised to pay for the War and the aristocracy became much poorer. Also, very importantly, the House of Lords lost much of its inherited power in 1912 (?) and so aristocrats such as depicted here were beginning to lose their influence. It is true that the shared experience (both civilians and service personnel) in the 2nd WW (1939-1945) demystified the aristocracy still further; after both wars it also became increasingly difficult to hire servants and the big old houses became almost impossible to run.
Like nerds talking about DC/Marvel heroes, or Startrek/Star Wars sagas ... For me, it is a delicious mexican soap-opera with Brittish accents. And better clothes, too. I love mexican soap-operas.
This scene’s unconvincing to me for 2 reasons: (i) I understood that the nobility who was related to whom - it seems odd that they didn’t know that Bertie was the heir; (ii) the nobility wouldn’t have been impressed by the titles and ranks of other nobles.
I don’t think that (i) would have been unrealistic. You might know the heir presumptive for any particular title but you probably wouldn’t know the distant cousin who would inherit if the heir died unexpectedly young for every title. That would be a crazy amount of information to hold for the many peerages in the UK.
They didn't know Bertie was the heir bcz they nvr bothered abt Edith and her "penniless" agent beau. If it was Mary, she would probably know ins and outs of her man
When Mary future second husband arrived first to Downton with his aunt she explaines how far he his from the family title. And another of Mary' suitors is actually the heir of a Irish peareage and she does not suspect this. Aristocrats cannot known of family connections !
‘Golly gumdrops?’ Is that another racial term I didn’t know about or did I get that confused by another term? I can’t keep up. Michelle Dockery should be grateful that her character name was ‘Mary’ or as I call it, Bloody Mary’ as in my experience every Bloody Mary I’ve had the misfortune to meet have all been such horrid, entitled biatches with such spiteful tongues, (excluding Jesus’ mum.) Bloody Marys are never happy if they’re not above others and belittling everyone else, and they are only ‘friends’ with you if you have what they want from you and they can control you.
Of course it's not racist. "By Golly" is what you say instead of "By God" if you do not want to swear, just as you might say "sugar" instead of "shit".
No it certainly is not racist. It's a very old English expression - "Golly" or "Gosh" is instead of using the word "God", and gumdrops is just a candy.
Mary's face after finding out the sister she has bullied all her life is gonna outrank her is priceless!
I had to laugh at that.
I was very irritated 😣
Pea 🫛 Green with Envy!!!
Also notice how Edith cares more about how Bertie feels than out-ranking anyone. She loves Bertie for who he is not what he is.
Edith: Poor Bertie, he’s lost his cousin.
The Crawleys: Yes, yes, very sad, but EDITH’S GOING TO BE A MARCHIONESS!
Mary: 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Cora has a very classy way of calling people out.
It's quiet and extremely intimidating. What a wonderful character Cora is.
I thought her to be a neglectful mother.
@@audreykennedy90agreed
@@audreykennedy90she is giving her daughters freedom😂 you wouldn't say that if they were sons
@JoseNoveleiroPoliglota i suppose because she did what her heart tells her kinda, this wasn't proper enough for actual English ladies, ironically she might not be "well mannered" enough for the English
I love the sincerity of Lord Grantham's reaction in this scene.
I love how Edith is focusing on Bertie and his feelings while Mary is focusing on how on earth did her scapegoat sister come to outrank her ... lol. Mary's face is very funny! I couldn't stop repeating this scene just to see her expose how little she cares for her sister and how she always thinks she is beneath her.
"And getting nicer by the minute." So funny!
I always wondered if this reminded Mary of her own situation with Matthew but in reverse. She didn’t want to risk marrying him when there was chance he wouldn’t become an Earl then did want to marry him when he was going to be. In Edith’s case she wanted to be with Bertie when he was ‘just an agent’ in Mary’s words but now not only was he going to be a Marquis but one with A LOT of money and a massive estate.
Funny how Mary was always completely uninterested in Edith’s life until there was a chance she could find some happiness. Then she had to get involved and smother it every time.
That's a very perceptive observation.
Please note how Edith doesn’t care about Bertie’s new status and also doesn’t rejoice one bit in Mary‘s surprise and jealousy.
Really shows how much she has grown.
This scene is perfect! Every single person in the room is THRILLED that Bertie is now the Marquess of Hexham, that is, everyone except Mary!! 😂😂
Feels good to have something nice happening for Edith
And I actually like that Mary is being jealous, it's perfectly in character for her. She's very flawed but that's what makes her human and relatable.
(And if Mary was more like Sybil I'm pretty sure the show would be over in 2 seasons, nothing would happen)
After watching this scene many times I only now realize this is a bit odd someone died and yes is means good fortune for edith but still they focus very little on it until later.
This also means her fiance is in mourning
Mary was jealous there’s no doubt about it
She was miserable and wanted everybody around to be miserable, too. But Tom put her on her place.
The look on Mary's face is priceless.
I know people like Mary in my life. Extremely charitable and kind to people below their station, but absolute arseholes to peers.
I guess it’s better than the other way around?
@@jlammetjeIs it really? I have interpreted such an attitude as being potentially patronizing: the people below me are harmless and not threatening to me so I will treat them well. But then again I don’t really like Mary much and it’s a pity she doesn’t go through good character development.
@@jlammetjewhy can't u be good all around?
@@jlammetjeor just treat ppl respectfully unlike Mary
@@raphaelledesma9393No, it is.
Tom very much became the brother they never had, particularly to Mary with remarks like that.
Golly Gumdrops!! Love it!!! 😂😂
Golly gumdrops what a turn-up!
@@st.dominic4169is that the same as "my God, what a surprise!"?
Mary does really suit green - lol!
Haha! Nice one.
Mary was so unlikeable towards the end
Mary was always unlikeable
@@shreyasubramaniam4942Always!
Mary was unlikeable from the very first scene (I thought she was a heartless b***h with how she reacted to the cousin's death)
I just love that Mary has to curtesy to Edith
@@shreyasubramaniam4942 agreed she has always been extremely selfish and needed to break other peoples happines to feel above others. Never once liked her
Such an unpleasant sibling was Mary, I was delighted fir Edith..she was so deserving of happiness. She was so resilient and faced huge challenges unlike Mary's character. 😊
I've never been happier for a fictional character like I was for Edith.
Mary's jealousy must have tasted like ambrosia to Edith in this moment. XDXDXD
I was looking for this clip for ages! Love how materialistic they all are hahahahah
Aristocrats are! They're always wanted to get associated to people with titles, ranks and influence.
I went from completely disliking Edith at the begging of the show to root for her every time. She totslly bacame my favorite character. Such a greay evolution she had ❤ tje opposite happened to Mary btw.
Mary’s reaction to Edith outranking her and her trying to ruin the relationship after so glad Tom and Edith told her off!
Mary : " What the fuck!" Face is killing me
0:31 Mary seems so smug there
Isn't this like the one time Cora calls out her eldest daughter for bullying her younger daughter?
Cora's a good mother just never a good one to Edith. She has never rebuked Mary for continuously bullying Edith.
@anayadegani626 she did once. She told Mary "you mustn't be unkind to Edith, she has fewer advantages than you". But Edith also grew as a person and changed over the series. She got a job, became independent, wanted to be useful and did away with her ladies maid in the later seasons, preferring to fend for herself. She didn't even use her title at the newspaper, preferring to be known as simply Edith. Mary never changed and I think Cora worried more about her because of that. Edith was going to be fine on her own, like Sybil was.
What gets me is Mary's hypocrisy over Edith in what follows, she tries to ruin her life by the truth about Marigold, yet Mary is certainly no saint, we all remain Mr Pemook (Mary could have gotten pregnant then!!). She's a very spiteful character, I'm glad I don't have a sister like that!!
Agree. Remember how she cried and begged her mother to help cover up the scandal.. and even agreed to marry Sir Carlisle to use him to silent Vera.
Now all of sudden, she's looking down on Edith.. as if she's any better
Did that Pamuk really seduce Mary?
Not only that .. the other Lord she went to a hotel and slept with just because she felt like it. Mary is not a saint but she doesn't see Edith as an equal nor she has any value for her. We all remember when Edith loved that married guy who was trying to get a divorce from his insane wife and she thought the guy was decent and wondered what he saw in her sister and how on earth did he find anything likable not to mention lovable about her. Mary is spiteful and mean just because she can. I am not really a fan of her and I don't understand how people like her because she is "relatable" .. Nothing about her is relatable. how can you relate to someone who wishes ill to their own sister, are mean to them and don't shy away from breaking them. That is not relatable to me.
@@ABirdOnTheMoon
You are absolutely right.
This is one of my fav scene
Mary suddenly got real quiet lol
Lady Mary was perplexed at the same time pressed that her sister is out-ranking her.
Mary is beside herself with envy. She soon put a cog in her sister's life. But Edith got there in the end. Hahaha scary Mary. 😅
"Golly gumdrops" 😂
Finally, Mary gets her comeuppance
Haha look at Mary seethe as the reality sinks in 🙂🙂
I know it's just fiction with aristocrats and lesserlings doing what aristocrats and loesserlings do, though I do like a good plot twist that can showcase the venomous drama queen lady Mary and bring her down a notch..
Well... That's just the thing. Both of them are drama queens and spiteful towards each other. Except Mary is more in your face about it, like Maleficent, while for Edith it's more a two-faced game. Throws a pity party for herself and played the "woe me" card plenty times, using underhanded tactics to get at Mary (she got a comment from the dowager duchess in a similar spirit). They both both provoked each other and fired back on separate occasions.
It's a sisterly thing when the parents/guardians have no idea how to handle rivalry and "growing pains". Heck, I know of a pair of siblings who had a fallout after a spat that lasted more than a decade, making up only a couple years before they died! (I'm glad that at least in the series the writers had them put aside their differences sooner than tha.)
Writers also frequently did both of them dirty where they scrapped seasons' worth of character development for some added sisterly drama. Glad that wasn't the case in the last movie.
Edith looks very nice here
A marchioness is next below a duchess.
So funny!
I gotta confess something : being the last child of my family and having an older brother who I suspect jalous of me as he always tries to get himself noticed and being pretty full of himself (and of course reminding me lady mary's behaviour), this scene is pretty joyous to me
As an older brother, I’m sorry that you had to go through that.
I always resented my younger brothers because I would get yelled at by my dad if they did anything wrong.
Mary is such an obnoxious bully.
I wonder..
In terms of etiquette, was it really the custom among the old aristocracy for lower ranked nobles to curtsy to higher ranked nobles?
not really but lower ranked noble would always know their lower place because higher ranked nobles would get the better seat, first to be announced, etc.
Oh, I see.. so its more like precedence
*Not necessarily. But the disparity would become obvious when the higher-ranked nobles were also moneyed and powerful (not all higher-ranked nobles were thoroughly moneyed). And of course, there were the formal occasions, when rank and hierarchy were strictly observed-order of announcements at events, order of seats, order of carriages in a pageantry or procession, etc.*
There is in the RF. It all dates back to Victoria and it is a custom they held onto.
Later on in the movie when Cora Edith and Mary visit Princess Mary they are announced in order of ranking - Edith Cora Mary
Golly gumdrops!
Fellowes letting Edith outrank Mary was wonderful. almost makes up for him trashing Barris in that dreadful film sequel.
Mary's face is a picture
Mary, jealous- NEVER!!! (SARCASM)
Marry has it coming.
I’m always judging someone ❤
Was this before or after Mary told Bertie about Marygold? I can't remember
❤zut la saison 6 est finie vivement la 7🙏🙏🙏
Which episode was this from?
The one where Bertie's cousin died.
Season 6 episode 8
@@susivarga7303 you win youtube hahahahaha
Mary's only happy when someone else isn't happy with life
season 6 episode 8
Golly gumdrops. lol
Whats The end of the story? did Edith become a Marchioness?
*She did. And a bloody good one.*
she marries a Chimney sweep
@@MightyJosh1985 LOL
Yes.
And the mother of the next one.
Its too bad that Edith became a Marchioness, right when titles, ranks and Hierarchy were going out of fashion......i think this was right after the second world war?
I don't think that titles, ranks and hierarchy ever went out of fashion. It is true that the non-titled ordinary people did stop doffing their caps at the aristocracy and this was especially true after the end of the second world war. I forget which book it was that I read, but in the novel it described how after the war how a member of the aristocracy went to a railway station and tried to summon a porter to carry the luggage, but were told to do it themselves. This part of the story in the book was to illustrate how attitudes had changed. However, being someone with a title still carries some influence and some clout in the eyes of far too many and some still aspire to becoming someone titled. Just look at Nadine Dorries who threw a hissy fit because she wasn't given a life peerage and a seat in the House of Lords.
Downton Abbey (and this scene) was set just before and after the 1st World War (1914-1918 for the Brits). The War weakened the aristocracy, firstly, by killing so many young aristocrats and, secondly, because taxes were raised to pay for the War and the aristocracy became much poorer. Also, very importantly, the House of Lords lost much of its inherited power in 1912 (?) and so aristocrats such as depicted here were beginning to lose their influence. It is true that the shared experience (both civilians and service personnel) in the 2nd WW (1939-1945) demystified the aristocracy still further; after both wars it also became increasingly difficult to hire servants and the big old houses became almost impossible to run.
She IS jealous!
The comments section is hilarious - it's as if people think it's real!!! hahaha.
People are just fans of the show.
Like nerds talking about DC/Marvel heroes, or Startrek/Star Wars sagas ... For me, it is a delicious mexican soap-opera with Brittish accents. And better clothes, too. I love mexican soap-operas.
Did Edith marry him and become a marchioness?
Spoiler alert:
Yes
@@tombstonerforever9374 😁
Mary was terrible
Snobbery. ..
This scene’s unconvincing to me for 2 reasons: (i) I understood that the nobility who was related to whom - it seems odd that they didn’t know that Bertie was the heir; (ii) the nobility wouldn’t have been impressed by the titles and ranks of other nobles.
Don’t you believe that. Upward mobility is always important no matter how high up you already are!
I don’t think that (i) would have been unrealistic. You might know the heir presumptive for any particular title but you probably wouldn’t know the distant cousin who would inherit if the heir died unexpectedly young for every title. That would be a crazy amount of information to hold for the many peerages in the UK.
They didn't know Bertie was the heir bcz they nvr bothered abt Edith and her "penniless" agent beau. If it was Mary, she would probably know ins and outs of her man
When Mary future second husband arrived first to Downton with his aunt she explaines how far he his from the family title. And another of Mary' suitors is actually the heir of a Irish peareage and she does not suspect this. Aristocrats cannot known of family connections !
Lol ii) is just wrong. NO ONE cares more about their ranking in the nobility than people in nobility
The british class system is so ridiculous.
You think America hasn't a class system ,it has one based on money!
Yeah, but it's fun watching people trying to navigate it.
Why?
@@ABC_DEFs this satire?
blah blah blah
‘Golly gumdrops?’ Is that another racial term I didn’t know about or did I get that confused by another term? I can’t keep up. Michelle Dockery should be grateful that her character name was ‘Mary’ or as I call it, Bloody Mary’ as in my experience every Bloody Mary I’ve had the misfortune to meet have all been such horrid, entitled biatches with such spiteful tongues, (excluding Jesus’ mum.) Bloody Marys are never happy if they’re not above others and belittling everyone else, and they are only ‘friends’ with you if you have what they want from you and they can control you.
Of course it's not racist. "By Golly" is what you say instead of "By God" if you do not want to swear, just as you might say "sugar" instead of "shit".
No, it's not racist.
No it certainly is not racist. It's a very old English expression - "Golly" or "Gosh" is instead of using the word "God", and gumdrops is just a candy.
Wow,,that was a common statement in my childhood in the 70s. I guess you didn’t read much.
@@lizziebkennedy7505 I’m guessing the main comment is from an American!!! Very unpleasant and OTT!
Such a terrible show..
Golly Gumdrops! Mary has been outranked!
Toms lil dig at mary *chefs kiss*
Golly gumdrops!