Not many podcasts these days give the impression of sitting with mates talking about things you're genuinely passionate about, but this does. I've never met any of these men, but because of 14 episodes, I feel like I have. Bravo.
Great episode. However… as a 964 owner I’m thinking the restomods are played out. The 964 isn’t all that common and I’d like to see the survivors kept original.
964s look fantastic as they are. Long bonnet cars look good too but currently it's just fashionable to change them to the older look. I'm old enough to remember when G body cars were modified to look like 964s.
First time I saw a Volvo 850 T5-R estate was whilst stationary at the traffic lights opposite the Volvo garage in Twickenham. I rang them when I got home, the salesman drove 100 miles on a Saturday to give me a test drive. I bought the Olive Green car and loved it as it was ideal for transporting my two young sons and wife at high speed. #goodolddays
A 2 car garage which directly effects my forthcoming situation. You're a closing on 50 something who's moving to the silky smooth roads of the Shetlands. However the side roads are gravel and winters can be harsh. You need something 4 wheel drive with enough room for 4 adults and luggage to enable collection of family from the airport in even the worst of weather and a convertible that's fun to drive with heated seats for the long summer days and nights with the aurora borealis shining on you with the roof down. Budget is £30k combined. I'm 6ft 2" so nothing too small. Also a bonus point for anything with a galvanised body to keep the sea air at bay!
Genuine advice, a 2008 subaru legacy estate is an amazing vehicle for small roads in bad winter weather you see loads of them in the swiss alps driven by locals and a MX5 mk4 has heated seats on some models, I'm 6'2 and I fit fine in one but mileage may vary depending on torso height. You can easily get both for under 30k.
I love this podcast so much. It defies any superlative. I will leave with this one - spiritual healing for automotive enthusiasts in audiovisual form. Cheers, gents, and any ladies who may be watching.
Week 14 and I just updated the "The Car Podcast with Chris Harris and Friends- MUSIC" I made on the famous music streaming site beginning with a S. I will continue to update this each week with the awesome song choices for the soundtrack of our drives.
A lovely and very wistful podcast episode this week friends. You really got my imagination going some of the story telling, particularly Manish inspiring me to go and visit my homecountry!
Alps? Go Friday night Eurostar. Cross Paris by taxi and get a TGV couchette night train with private cabin. You get waken up 7am Saturday morning in the alps. Best way to do that journey
I was yelling at my iPad “The Honda S600 is chain driven!!” Thank you Mr. Cooper! Also, Chris- when you take that maglev train in Shanghai, pay attention when the one comes on the track next to you in the opposite direction. Two trains going 265 miles an hour- 530mph closing speed is something to behold!
Neil Clifford....you are the absolute epitome of cool! ..... Turns camera around to show a motorbike in his den, and there is the ex Chris Meek BB512 lounging in the room!!!
a motor race that no longer runs? surely the proper RAC rally starting in Chester, Welsh forests at night, special stages at stately homes, Kielder flat out and Group B cars on public roads getting between stages at ridiculous speeds.
Yeah, scandalous it has been allowed to whither. It's one thing not being in the WRC, it's quite another not to even run.........The financial model of the event was ruined......
I used to pop to the Donnington Museum every now and then, I live 20 mins away from Donnington. The collection of cars was unbelievable. There was every from pre war military trucks to Senna's kart and everything in between. When the museum closed, so did part of my soul. I miss it, dearly!
With you there ....same here if we were bored on a rainy afternoon in December we'd often go up to the museum to look at all those wonderful race cars ...my favourite was the sauber c9 silver arrows ❤ Its dearly missed
Same, we are 45 minutes away and I'd go at least once a year. Was gutted when we went down and was told "Sorry mate, it's closed". Was a brilliant place.
@@jondrizzle4554 @iloveloopy Great memories that will last. Such a shame it's gone though. Aside from all of the cool racing stuff, I knew Tom Wheatcroft's son Kevin was a huge world war enthusiast, if you could call it that. I did hear from someone that he sleeps in Hitler's personal bed. He has some of the most controversial collections in the world, apparently...
It was nice to have something in the Midlands, even if it became gradually more depleted in the 2010s from it's heyday. That kind of F1 collection under one roof will never happen again. And it's a long way to Beaulieu or Goodwood. To go with the train theme I suppose its how people from Southampton feel about the trains being in York and Shildon.
I do think you are underestimating Leclerc’s pace. Yes he can be emotional, but he is one of, if not the, best qualifiers in F1. Personally think that Hamilton isn’t the driver he used to be and will find it difficult to compete with him. Time will tell…
I am afraid it will play out like an American Super Bowl football game. We go in expecting the two best teams in the league to give us a thrilling fight. But, very often, as soon as one team gets the momentum the other team falls apart emotionally. Since qualifying is one man in his car, I think Charles will consistently out qualify Lewis (I actually really like both these guys BTW), and Lewis will slowly deteriorate emotionally. This is NOT what I want to see - I want them both to have their best year ever, giving us a thrilling season. Time will tell (pun intended).
Great episode as ever chaps. Totally agree about train travel. I've been away in Europe for 3 months and as part of that adventure I took the train from Munich to Verona, via Innsbruck. If you've never done it, do, the scenery is utterly stunning...
Amen about railway travel . . . well, as a member of the Guild of Railway Artists I would agree, wouldn't I? I've been going up to Sutherland all my life (on the train . . . steam, diesel and electric . . . by car and cycling) as my dad was born there and on one occasion back in the early 1980s when my time up there was limited, I used the Motorail service from Kensington up to Stirling. It left around 8.00 pm as I recall and it was magic going to sleep round about Crewe and waking up at Stirling with the prospect of driving my 911 Carrera 3.0 through the Highlands to my climbing base of Inchnadamph. My now living in Vancouver doesn't prevent from still getting up there twice a year . . . but not on a train.Great video as usual you guys!
Exactly. Charles handled Seb just fine. Ferrari is turning into a retirement home for multiple World Champions to go race for the beautiful love of racing then fade off into the sunset.
This podcast needs to go on the ROAD make that TRAIN. That train journey that Herr Panday suggested would be awesome. Discussing F1, Barcq, Bruno Sacco and Jaguar while seeing the beautiful countryside
Österreichring, - yes Manish! I was there a couple of years before your mention. Watched the race at the Boschkurve.......150mph around there if I remember rightly.
The Train Discussions reminds me of taking long trips with my dad as a Young doddle, looking out the windows just passing through mountain ranges, South Africa is a beautiful Country, so I bought an old Range Rover for the long trips with the family, Drive to the middle of nowhere, its takes us forever to get anywhere and half of the way praying we arrive without mechanical failure, as much as I love speed, all good trips are slow with a bit of hope there's no mechanical failure.
I attended the 1994 Spa GP, I was 17 then. Took the train to Liege or however close it would take us, and then the bus to our Malmedy bed and breakfast. That bus ride is the most scared I've been in my life probably. The driver was absulutely maxxing the thing over the mountain roads. May have been detours or short cuts. Then he would stop for many minutes to get back on schedule, and went off seeming setting PBs, in the night, and of course no dry road within hours. I was with a friend there and I think we never spoke of that bus ride again. On the way back we hitch hiked. Perhaps because we walked the wrong way off the circuit. A lovely Dutch chap drove us to the Maastricht station, safe grounds.
My son and i got into historic karting running karts like the DAP. Get one and join us at Rissington. It's amazingly exhilarating (even compared to my Caterham R1), not to expensive and a nice bunch of oldies.
I took 2 car-sleeper trains -- Euston to Inverness (1983/4) and Calais to Narbonne 2010 (I wanted to go to Genoa but there were no spaces) -- neither services are available AND it is simply great to get to or near to ones end destination rested and happy. The French Car-rail service had no canteen/restaurant on board so one had to bring a very large hamper - such hardship. The french/european car-rail service still runs but you have to go a ways a way from the tunnel to board. Now when heading to the Northern Med with a car I take the ferry from Portsmouth to Bilbao/Santander or St Malo -- wonderful if one gets an inboard cabin.
Eurostar used to go direct to Bourg St Maurice in the Alps without changing trains. The last few hours up the mountains was a truly wonderful finish after the fast trek through France.
I think people rate Charles lower than what he is, he is the only person who can fight max wheel to wheel without having an almost crash every time. And his race pace has improved quite a bit, Monza being a great example of tyre saving skills as well. And he can play the mind games very well, remember begining of 2022 with the fight with Max? He has beaten all of his teammates who were very highly rated. Also considering Lewis and Charles are great mates, my feeling is it's going to be a healthy rivalry.
There were a series of 82 to 96 hours races at the Nürburgring. It was a replacement for the Marathon de la Route, which was originally Liège-Rome-Liège, then moved to Yugoslavia and Bulgaria due to traffic to make Liège-Sofia-Liège and then moved to the Nürburgring due to the refusal of some countries to cross their territory. Great names took part. The Sofia one would be my pick.
@@rebelranter I don't think he has. Worth following him on Instagram as he posts plenty of stories and over time, you get a good idea of what's in his collection. He bought a 986 Boxster maybe 6 months ago and sings it's praises. Great to hear when he owns a Singer, a 993 RS and Turbo, Carrera GT and more from Stuttgart.
23:16 I also love the horizon perspective that the tracks give. Also when i'm in the train and go by some farmlands, and watch the lines between the crop rows, or when going over a bridge over a long canal and try to get the point of 'convergence' at the horizon in the middle of your field of vision. But yeah, i think you're right about the Millennium Falcon, because mankind's first true experiencne with high speed travel was the train, so it is still ingrained in our history and perception of speed. And things like Star Wars kinda kept that concept going, and given its success, it might stay a part of our perception of speed for a while longer. It might eventually go out of favor, it reminds me of how people used to use 🤙as a telephone sign, because it also was meant to look like the receiver, but people nowaday probably use a different sign, and now that i think of it, what did people do before the phones got the receivers, when the mic was on a separate stand?
A train journey I want to do is through the Swiss alps in a big side window train. Winding through the snowy mountains looking at the scenery while eating amazing food and slowly getting drunk. Then sleeping through the night before arriving at the next stop of the break.
Appreciate you guys have busy individual lives and we're all very very appreciative of this on a weekly basis but some discussion here about Belgium, Sicily... would be great if we got some more video content. Could be like Peter Kays car share. Just pick each other up and drive around. We'll all watch it and love it. Thanks guys
I will confess I thought when you said chain driven car we were talking chains and cam belts etc. Consider me educated 😊 Also have a passion for trains so nice to know they all interlock with us all too. The buttons they press as certainly the same as cars for me😊
Liverpool here 🙌 Liverpool to London on the train is the only way to do that trip. Driving it is an absolute nightmare. Liverpool to Scotland up the M6 is ace and is opposite you must drive it haha. Luckily so far they haven’t ruined it with smart motorway yet. It’ll be absolutely gutting if they do.
Neil - Targa Florio - yessssss. Feel so lucky now, having done some laps back on holiday back in 2003, before the ensuing land slips in subsequent years broke it up into inaccessible sections. Felt a kind of comedic bond with Nino Vaccarella when I punctured Fiat Punto front right on a kerb in Collesano…. Waiting for Sicilian AA man, parked by the Museo Targa Florio - could have been worse!
Difference between Sainz and Lewis situation: Sainz was ‘thanked’ by Ferrari, plenty there to motivate him to prove them wrong and stay in the sport. Lewis has basically been serving a 10-month notice period… 10 months! And with a pants car. Imagine that. Must be killer. Hope he can bounce back, and think he will. Even if he might have lost a tenth or two outright, look at all that experience. Then he too, will have a point to prove.
Interesting way to look at it. And you’re not wrong. It’s quite obvious he’s been lacking motivation (maybe even still ruing 2021?). I hope we see him fighting hard in the Ferrari so he can end his career on a high.
Very interesting way to look at it. End of the day, Lewis is resigning and Sainz is being made redundant, so to speak - easy to check out mentally when you're on notice!
I think you've all got a very idealised view of train journeys in UK 2024. You're lucky if its actually a train and not a bus replacement service. Or, if there is the pretence that they're going to provide you with a train, it'll be cancelled five minutes before its due to arrive.
India by train is on the bucket list. Was in Leh and Ladakh a few months ago on a motorbike, and there is no way I would want to drive through any city in India. But loved the country, and want to see more of it.
That MR2 debate is not a restomod but just a body kitted car. Reimagined cars should be a topic for the future. The 'new' 250 GTO or the Aston Vantare... Old "style" car design on a modern platform. Discuss .
I'm surprised none of you guys mentioned the old Brooklands circuit. I'd have loved to have been a spectator watching those Bentleys and Bugattis hurl their away around the banking at full chat, nevermind piloting one to see what it was like. Great podcast as always!
I love watching many forms of motor racing. That includes series with electric vehicles. Formula E starts Saturday. I'd be curious to hear the fellas' opinion - Good or Bad. It would make for an interesting conversation.
Manish I totally agree re F1 drivers complaining about fellow drivers. In past times, Moss, Hawthorn, Surtees, Brooks etcetera would actually help each other.
The best restomod is hands down HEA EVO, the modern take on legendary Mercedes-Benz 190E EVO II❤❤❤. I can't wait for Lewis Hamilton to destroy the competition in red next year 🤟💪💪 Guys another awesome podcast episode keep it up ❤🤟
Bear with me on this one but I asked Chat GPT for a modern day route….think you need to all jump in a Gran Cabrio and do this for a future video…. While you can’t replicate the original race conditions-closed roads, high speeds, and no modern traffic rules-you can still drive on many of the same public roads that formed part of the historic Targa Florio route. One of the best ways to experience a taste of the event’s flavor is to follow a loop through the Madonie Mountains of Sicily, which hosted the iconic “Piccolo Circuito delle Madonie” used for much of the Targa Florio’s history. Suggested Route (Approx. 70-80 km / 45-50 miles): This loop approximates the old circuit and can be driven at a leisurely pace, taking in scenic views and historic towns: 1. Cerda (Starting Point): • Why Start Here: Cerda was one of the famous checkpoints in the Targa Florio. Today, you can find plaques, signs, and sometimes tributes to the race’s history in the town. It’s a convenient jumping-off point. • Getting There: Cerda is about 60 km (roughly an hour’s drive) southeast of Palermo along the A19 motorway (exit at Scillato or Buonfornello and follow local roads). 2. Cerda to Caltavuturo (SP7): • Distance: About 20 km (12 miles) of winding, rural roads. • What to Expect: As you climb into the Madonie Mountains, you’ll pass through scenic farmland and hillside villages. The roads are narrow and twisty, so drive with caution and enjoy the panorama. 3. Caltavuturo to Scillato (SP24/SP9): • Distance: Approximately 10-15 km (6-9 miles). • Highlights: This segment offers stunning mountain views. In Caltavuturo, consider a short stop for a coffee and to soak in the small-town atmosphere. 4. Scillato to Collesano (SP9): • Distance: About 20 km (12 miles). • Why It’s Special: Collesano was historically significant in Targa Florio folklore. There is a small Targa Florio Museum (Museo Targa Florio) in Collesano with photos, memorabilia, and historical accounts of the race. This town was a prime spectator spot, and traces of the event’s legacy still linger. 5. Collesano to Campofelice di Roccella (SP9/SP28): • Distance: Roughly 15 km (9 miles). • Scenery: As you head downhill, you’ll transition from the mountainous interior toward the Tyrrhenian coast. On clear days, you’ll have spectacular views of the sea and coastline. 6. Campofelice di Roccella back to Cerda (SP9/SP6): • Distance: Around 10-15 km (6-9 miles). • Return Leg: Heading inland again, you complete the loop, returning to Cerda. The rolling hills and rural ambiance remain much as they would have been in decades past, albeit with modern traffic and infrastructure.
I think it was jaguar themselves that offered the E-type EV conversion, it was called the Concept Zero and if I remember correct the conversion cost was astronimcal. I don't mind people converting classics if the original engine is unrepairable but it is sacrilege otherwise.
I wonder what’s the best cheap car to use for road trips considering autobahn. I mean a 2013ish Range Rover autobiography should cost mid 10s today but would you take a high depreciation car to its limits?
Now, if F1 was to standardise the car, whose car design are you judging your top 5 drivers with? Because we've already seen that some drivers just can't adjust if the car doesn't perform like how they're used to. So really the car does make a difference, as much as each driver's ability to adapt to change.
Thanks to Chris Cooper for mentioning the Honda S600. I was litteraly shouting this fabulous little cars' name at my Tv screen since first hearing the words 'chain driven'
We need some consumer diesel advice to follow the petrol station debate. What does Chris put in his D3 Alpine? is Shell standard diesel better than the premium stuff?
My favourite road in Scotland, is just off the A82 at the "Rest and Be Thankful" - also my favourite street name - but the wee 6 miles off shoot road that goes from there down to Lochgoilhead - bloody awesome drive, built for a WRX or an M3 or any Porsche to just nail the bends, or a big Jaaaaag to take it easy and drive like you own the glens, and will be consuming some of the Stags later!
@@Carrera-gp9od It is single track. Best at night - as then you can see the lights from oncoming vehicles. Gotta know the road well to nail it, have each bend memorised.
Mr Cooper. And Harris aswell. DR Mark Green has a pre war chain driven car. I think you should do the LTB run next year with him. Maybe even do some filming for the channel.
Can we please have some videos and content of all 4 learned colleagues behind the wheel of their cars, perhaps when Lola is finished on some of their favourite roads in the UK 🙏🏻
Trains down here at the pointy end are mostly useless for getting about but we did have a lovely family trip up to Plymouth on the lovely looking bottle green GWR high speed train, so quiet and comfortable. However on the way back 3 services had been canceled inc our planed return so everyone was piled on to a little flat fronted dribbler for a hot cramped slow and wobbly ride back. And sadly that puts me right off trains.
Hi Daniel, This was a mistake - apologies for any distress and confusion caused. What Chris C meant is that there's been no British/national title this year. MSUK is still licensing Superkarts. Superkart is alive and well. We love and revere them, hence our reference in this episode with the link to an onboard at Peel.
@ The driver in that video is a friend of mine If you ever want another go in a superkart I’m sure we could get you out in one of the fast ones. A newer version of what you did laps at top gear in. When we came down that time
@ I will say that this has been taken badly by the community. That already believes that the muk. Are out to get the superkarts. And have very little in the way of practical knowledge about them The feeling of them wanting us not to be there so making it more difficult for us to race His comments have put fuel on this fire As if he has let something slip that is in the works that he didn’t mean to
Totally agree about the need for a cars-on-train motorail service in the UK to remove that monotonous motorway slog between major cities. I drive from just outside the M25 to Scotland a few times a year and the London to Glasgow section is an unpleasant bore in any car. Given the state of our railways in the UK and the cost of living, it's unlikely anyone could get such a service running at a viable price (unless there's government subsidy, which is also unlikely). Therefore, could another solution to the problem of boring inter-city motorway slogs be to get fully autonomous cars working and legalised? To the degree that you can have a sleep and wake up in Inverness? Assuming the technology and legislation could be achieved, would you do it? Or would the car that can support this not be the car you want with you at the other end? Do we need some whacky autonomous sleds to whisk you there in your enthusiast car? ... discuss... !
Just back from Ballater last night, over the A93. (My favourite road) when we got married 35 years ago in Ballater my wife’s uncle motor railed his car up for the wedding.
We do love trains. Here in Kenya they have one that i goes past the national parks and on the odd occasion you see the wild animals as you take in the scenery. Have travelled on UK trains too. Although the romance is ruined by a drunk or a youth flicking through their socials without a headset so we hear everything he's watching.
Once did Montpelier to Calais on a motor rail My chosen vehicle was a Yamaha Tenere 600 , bought in Perpignan and used in London for 9 months on a French plate! Parked anywhere ✌️
Staying in Plockton in the summer, after dropping in a year or two back. Utterly beautiful village. Then off to the outer Hebrides for a week, is there a better holiday??!
Manish mentions Senna in an episode, who would have ever thought it.
his answer is bang on the money tho.
@@AlanDoveKarting100000% 👌🏼
After all he's Ayrton Pandey
I love it. He is super intelligent has knowledge of the PistonHeads community/comments and now plays to it. Bloody brilliant.
Senna did the most dirty move of any driver in F1 history. He pre meditated and then took Prost off at 160mph . Manish?
Not many podcasts these days give the impression of sitting with mates talking about things you're genuinely passionate about, but this does. I've never met any of these men, but because of 14 episodes, I feel like I have. Bravo.
Agreed! They are too busy talking to each other, to pander to their audience.
It’s a feel good tonic that we all need, but didn’t realize until we tuned in.
This is how podcasts were always supposed to be. And they make all of us car nuts sound half sane
Great episode. However… as a 964 owner I’m thinking the restomods are played out. The 964 isn’t all that common and I’d like to see the survivors kept original.
964s look fantastic as they are. Long bonnet cars look good too but currently it's just fashionable to change them to the older look. I'm old enough to remember when G body cars were modified to look like 964s.
First time I saw a Volvo 850 T5-R estate was whilst stationary at the traffic lights opposite the Volvo garage in Twickenham. I rang them when I got home, the salesman drove 100 miles on a Saturday to give me a test drive. I bought the Olive Green car and loved it as it was ideal for transporting my two young sons and wife at high speed. #goodolddays
Is that the olive green one for sale on AT? It's the only 850R up right now so as well.
@@jamalkherry5296Just checked MOT status for N181 OAM and it states "MOT expired 12 Nov 2012"😢
Developed with Porsche I think? Brilliant car.
A 2 car garage which directly effects my forthcoming situation. You're a closing on 50 something who's moving to the silky smooth roads of the Shetlands. However the side roads are gravel and winters can be harsh. You need something 4 wheel drive with enough room for 4 adults and luggage to enable collection of family from the airport in even the worst of weather and a convertible that's fun to drive with heated seats for the long summer days and nights with the aurora borealis shining on you with the roof down. Budget is £30k combined. I'm 6ft 2" so nothing too small. Also a bonus point for anything with a galvanised body to keep the sea air at bay!
Genuine advice, a 2008 subaru legacy estate is an amazing vehicle for small roads in bad winter weather you see loads of them in the swiss alps driven by locals and a MX5 mk4 has heated seats on some models, I'm 6'2 and I fit fine in one but mileage may vary depending on torso height. You can easily get both for under 30k.
I love this podcast so much. It defies any superlative. I will leave with this one - spiritual healing for automotive enthusiasts in audiovisual form. Cheers, gents, and any ladies who may be watching.
Week 14 and I just updated the "The Car Podcast with Chris Harris and Friends- MUSIC" I made on the famous music streaming site beginning with a S. I will continue to update this each week with the awesome song choices for the soundtrack of our drives.
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A lovely and very wistful podcast episode this week friends.
You really got my imagination going some of the story telling, particularly Manish inspiring me to go and visit my homecountry!
Alps? Go Friday night Eurostar. Cross Paris by taxi and get a TGV couchette night train with private cabin. You get waken up 7am Saturday morning in the alps. Best way to do that journey
I was yelling at my iPad “The Honda S600 is chain driven!!” Thank you Mr. Cooper! Also, Chris- when you take that maglev train in Shanghai, pay attention when the one comes on the track next to you in the opposite direction. Two trains going 265 miles an hour- 530mph closing speed is something to behold!
Neil Clifford....you are the absolute epitome of cool!
..... Turns camera around to show a motorbike in his den, and there is the ex Chris Meek BB512 lounging in the room!!!
Manish swearing even the 'F' word, when gentlemen swear, it's to really emphasize their grievance and it came through wholeheartedly!
a motor race that no longer runs? surely the proper RAC rally starting in Chester, Welsh forests at night, special stages at stately homes, Kielder flat out and Group B cars on public roads getting between stages at ridiculous speeds.
Yeah, scandalous it has been allowed to whither. It's one thing not being in the WRC, it's quite another not to even run.........The financial model of the event was ruined......
I used to pop to the Donnington Museum every now and then, I live 20 mins away from Donnington. The collection of cars was unbelievable. There was every from pre war military trucks to Senna's kart and everything in between. When the museum closed, so did part of my soul. I miss it, dearly!
With you there ....same here if we were bored on a rainy afternoon in December we'd often go up to the museum to look at all those wonderful race cars ...my favourite was the sauber c9 silver arrows ❤
Its dearly missed
Same, we are 45 minutes away and I'd go at least once a year. Was gutted when we went down and was told "Sorry mate, it's closed". Was a brilliant place.
@@jondrizzle4554 @iloveloopy Great memories that will last. Such a shame it's gone though. Aside from all of the cool racing stuff, I knew Tom Wheatcroft's son Kevin was a huge world war enthusiast, if you could call it that. I did hear from someone that he sleeps in Hitler's personal bed. He has some of the most controversial collections in the world, apparently...
It was nice to have something in the Midlands, even if it became gradually more depleted in the 2010s from it's heyday. That kind of F1 collection under one roof will never happen again. And it's a long way to Beaulieu or Goodwood. To go with the train theme I suppose its how people from Southampton feel about the trains being in York and Shildon.
I do think you are underestimating Leclerc’s pace. Yes he can be emotional, but he is one of, if not the, best qualifiers in F1. Personally think that Hamilton isn’t the driver he used to be and will find it difficult to compete with him. Time will tell…
Charles has been faster than Lewis for 3 years now.
100% Don't get the Leclerc bashing.
@@christianwestling2019 Well Neil has no idea what he is talking about, does he?
Leclerc hate is real on this podcast. Watch them not put him in the “top 5 drivers in equal machinery” segment they said they’d do next week…
I am afraid it will play out like an American Super Bowl football game. We go in expecting the two best teams in the league to give us a thrilling fight. But, very often, as soon as one team gets the momentum the other team falls apart emotionally. Since qualifying is one man in his car, I think Charles will consistently out qualify Lewis (I actually really like both these guys BTW), and Lewis will slowly deteriorate emotionally. This is NOT what I want to see - I want them both to have their best year ever, giving us a thrilling season. Time will tell (pun intended).
Great episode as ever chaps. Totally agree about train travel. I've been away in Europe for 3 months and as part of that adventure I took the train from Munich to Verona, via Innsbruck. If you've never done it, do, the scenery is utterly stunning...
1968 Caddilac Eldorado! Front engine, front wheel drive with a chain between the engine and gearbox.
Done 👍
Honda S500, has a chain per axle
Patrick Blakeney-Edwards always races a chain driven Frazer Nash at the Autumn Classics at Castle Combe to terrific effect.
Amen about railway travel . . . well, as a member of the Guild of Railway Artists I would agree, wouldn't I? I've been going up to Sutherland all my life (on the train . . . steam, diesel and electric . . . by car and cycling) as my dad was born there and on one occasion back in the early 1980s when my time up there was limited, I used the Motorail service from Kensington up to Stirling. It left around 8.00 pm as I recall and it was magic going to sleep round about Crewe and waking up at Stirling with the prospect of driving my 911 Carrera 3.0 through the Highlands to my climbing base of Inchnadamph. My now living in Vancouver doesn't prevent from still getting up there twice a year . . . but not on a train.Great video as usual you guys!
You are massively underestimating Leclerc!
Exactly. Charles handled Seb just fine. Ferrari is turning into a retirement home for multiple World Champions to go race for the beautiful love of racing then fade off into the sunset.
This podcast needs to go on the ROAD make that TRAIN.
That train journey that Herr Panday suggested would be awesome. Discussing F1, Barcq, Bruno Sacco and Jaguar while seeing the beautiful countryside
Österreichring, - yes Manish! I was there a couple of years before your mention. Watched the race at the Boschkurve.......150mph around there if I remember rightly.
I had a friend who had a XK120 and he was good enough to allow me to drive it. And it is one of my fondest memories of driving that beautiful thing
The Train Discussions reminds me of taking long trips with my dad as a Young doddle, looking out the windows just passing through mountain ranges, South Africa is a beautiful Country, so I bought an old Range Rover for the long trips with the family, Drive to the middle of nowhere, its takes us forever to get anywhere and half of the way praying we arrive without mechanical failure, as much as I love speed, all good trips are slow with a bit of hope there's no mechanical failure.
I attended the 1994 Spa GP, I was 17 then. Took the train to Liege or however close it would take us, and then the bus to our Malmedy bed and breakfast.
That bus ride is the most scared I've been in my life probably. The driver was absulutely maxxing the thing over the mountain roads. May have been detours or short cuts. Then he would stop for many minutes to get back on schedule, and went off seeming setting PBs, in the night, and of course no dry road within hours. I was with a friend there and I think we never spoke of that bus ride again. On the way back we hitch hiked. Perhaps because we walked the wrong way off the circuit. A lovely Dutch chap drove us to the Maastricht station, safe grounds.
One of your best episodes chaps…varied subjects with some of your off piste comments, brilliant! Thank you…until next Friday 🎉
The Oldsmobile Toronado was also chain driven.
Check out a diagram of the s600. The chain is inside the "trailing arm" on the rear. Fascinating.
Train Travel in India is fantastic. A brillant way to see that country!
My son and i got into historic karting running karts like the DAP. Get one and join us at Rissington. It's amazingly exhilarating (even compared to my Caterham R1), not to expensive and a nice bunch of oldies.
Harris nailed the JLR brief. Harrys video on the F Pace SVR is superb!
I took 2 car-sleeper trains -- Euston to Inverness (1983/4) and Calais to Narbonne 2010 (I wanted to go to Genoa but there were no spaces) -- neither services are available AND it is simply great to get to or near to ones end destination rested and happy. The French Car-rail service had no canteen/restaurant on board so one had to bring a very large hamper - such hardship. The french/european car-rail service still runs but you have to go a ways a way from the tunnel to board.
Now when heading to the Northern Med with a car I take the ferry from Portsmouth to Bilbao/Santander or St Malo -- wonderful if one gets an inboard cabin.
Every time.. Thank you for sharing your time, opinions and smiles.
Please playlist the songs and share 😊
happy friday once again chaps. LFG
Eurostar used to go direct to Bourg St Maurice in the Alps without changing trains. The last few hours up the mountains was a truly wonderful finish after the fast trek through France.
I love The Blue Nile mention Chris. Incredible band.
DO NOT STOP MAKING THESE PODCASTS PLEASE TIA ❤️
I think people rate Charles lower than what he is, he is the only person who can fight max wheel to wheel without having an almost crash every time. And his race pace has improved quite a bit, Monza being a great example of tyre saving skills as well. And he can play the mind games very well, remember begining of 2022 with the fight with Max? He has beaten all of his teammates who were very highly rated. Also considering Lewis and Charles are great mates, my feeling is it's going to be a healthy rivalry.
On point! Leclerc gets way too much hate.
There were a series of 82 to 96 hours races at the Nürburgring.
It was a replacement for the Marathon de la Route, which was originally Liège-Rome-Liège, then moved to Yugoslavia and Bulgaria due to traffic to make Liège-Sofia-Liège and then moved to the Nürburgring due to the refusal of some countries to cross their territory.
Great names took part.
The Sofia one would be my pick.
I love the fact there's an F40 in the background and no one ever talks about it
Neil has so many cars that I sometimes forget what he has. 😄
Has he ever done a video on the collection? Would love a nosey peak at them!
@@rebelranter I don't think he has. Worth following him on Instagram as he posts plenty of stories and over time, you get a good idea of what's in his collection. He bought a 986 Boxster maybe 6 months ago and sings it's praises. Great to hear when he owns a Singer, a 993 RS and Turbo, Carrera GT and more from Stuttgart.
I'm so surprised that Mr. H didn't know that the Honda S600 was chain driven.
Was surprised. The S800 did drop the chain for a driveshaft eventually.
23:16 I also love the horizon perspective that the tracks give. Also when i'm in the train and go by some farmlands, and watch the lines between the crop rows, or when going over a bridge over a long canal and try to get the point of 'convergence' at the horizon in the middle of your field of vision.
But yeah, i think you're right about the Millennium Falcon, because mankind's first true experiencne with high speed travel was the train, so it is still ingrained in our history and perception of speed.
And things like Star Wars kinda kept that concept going, and given its success, it might stay a part of our perception of speed for a while longer.
It might eventually go out of favor, it reminds me of how people used to use 🤙as a telephone sign, because it also was meant to look like the receiver, but people nowaday probably use a different sign, and now that i think of it, what did people do before the phones got the receivers, when the mic was on a separate stand?
A train journey I want to do is through the Swiss alps in a big side window train. Winding through the snowy mountains looking at the scenery while eating amazing food and slowly getting drunk. Then sleeping through the night before arriving at the next stop of the break.
Appreciate you guys have busy individual lives and we're all very very appreciative of this on a weekly basis but some discussion here about Belgium, Sicily... would be great if we got some more video content. Could be like Peter Kays car share. Just pick each other up and drive around. We'll all watch it and love it. Thanks guys
The video recommendation from Neil was pure gold. Thank you sir 🫡
Looks like it's all here ruclips.net/video/clhXwxmaPsU/видео.html
I will confess I thought when you said chain driven car we were talking chains and cam belts etc. Consider me educated 😊
Also have a passion for trains so nice to know they all interlock with us all too. The buttons they press as certainly the same as cars for me😊
Liverpool here 🙌 Liverpool to London on the train is the only way to do that trip. Driving it is an absolute nightmare. Liverpool to Scotland up the M6 is ace and is opposite you must drive it haha. Luckily so far they haven’t ruined it with smart motorway yet. It’ll be absolutely gutting if they do.
Neil - Targa Florio - yessssss. Feel so lucky now, having done some laps back on holiday back in 2003, before the ensuing land slips in subsequent years broke it up into inaccessible sections. Felt a kind of comedic bond with Nino Vaccarella when I punctured Fiat Punto front right on a kerb in Collesano…. Waiting for Sicilian AA man, parked by the Museo Targa Florio - could have been worse!
Difference between Sainz and Lewis situation: Sainz was ‘thanked’ by Ferrari, plenty there to motivate him to prove them wrong and stay in the sport. Lewis has basically been serving a 10-month notice period… 10 months! And with a pants car. Imagine that. Must be killer. Hope he can bounce back, and think he will. Even if he might have lost a tenth or two outright, look at all that experience. Then he too, will have a point to prove.
Interesting way to look at it. And you’re not wrong. It’s quite obvious he’s been lacking motivation (maybe even still ruing 2021?). I hope we see him fighting hard in the Ferrari so he can end his career on a high.
Very interesting way to look at it. End of the day, Lewis is resigning and Sainz is being made redundant, so to speak - easy to check out mentally when you're on notice!
The 1960s Honda S600 was chain driven.
I think you've all got a very idealised view of train journeys in UK 2024. You're lucky if its actually a train and not a bus replacement service. Or, if there is the pretence that they're going to provide you with a train, it'll be cancelled five minutes before its due to arrive.
India by train is on the bucket list. Was in Leh and Ladakh a few months ago on a motorbike, and there is no way I would want to drive through any city in India. But loved the country, and want to see more of it.
That MR2 debate is not a restomod but just a body kitted car.
Reimagined cars should be a topic for the future. The 'new' 250 GTO or the Aston Vantare... Old "style" car design on a modern platform. Discuss .
The boys obviously haven't been on a train for a while. They are a total nightmare in the UK and so expensive.
Yer they are so expensive it's a joke but I think I'm in a different tax bracket to the lads. So probably less of a problem the boys
I'm surprised none of you guys mentioned the old Brooklands circuit. I'd have loved to have been a spectator watching those Bentleys and Bugattis hurl their away around the banking at full chat, nevermind piloting one to see what it was like.
Great podcast as always!
I love watching many forms of motor racing. That includes series with electric vehicles. Formula E starts Saturday. I'd be curious to hear the fellas' opinion - Good or Bad. It would make for an interesting conversation.
Of all the surprising takes on these podcasts, the most surprising was Chris Cooper's music choice of Olivia Rodrigo. Cracking song, just unexpected.
I would watch a car show with these four guys for sure! All charming and intelligent!
AC 3000ME is probably the most recent chain driven car ‘79-‘86, triple row chain between clutch and transaxle in the sump.
Manish on good form this week! 👏
Was that him letting one rip at 1:03:20?
Get the Train from the Airport to Palermo when you're in Sicily. It's a lovely 'trundle through the countryside'
That Elford targa clip taken from The Soeed Merchants, wonderful review of the 72 sports prototypes season
Manish I totally agree re F1 drivers complaining about fellow drivers. In past times, Moss, Hawthorn, Surtees, Brooks etcetera would actually help each other.
The best restomod is hands down HEA EVO, the modern take on legendary Mercedes-Benz 190E EVO II❤❤❤.
I can't wait for Lewis Hamilton to destroy the competition in red next year 🤟💪💪
Guys another awesome podcast episode keep it up ❤🤟
Neil Clifford a true Santa lover😂😂😂
Hit all my guesses for chain cars. I'd have chosen the Owlet as my FN though
Bear with me on this one but I asked Chat GPT for a modern day route….think you need to all jump in a Gran Cabrio and do this for a future video….
While you can’t replicate the original race conditions-closed roads, high speeds, and no modern traffic rules-you can still drive on many of the same public roads that formed part of the historic Targa Florio route. One of the best ways to experience a taste of the event’s flavor is to follow a loop through the Madonie Mountains of Sicily, which hosted the iconic “Piccolo Circuito delle Madonie” used for much of the Targa Florio’s history.
Suggested Route (Approx. 70-80 km / 45-50 miles):
This loop approximates the old circuit and can be driven at a leisurely pace, taking in scenic views and historic towns:
1. Cerda (Starting Point):
• Why Start Here: Cerda was one of the famous checkpoints in the Targa Florio. Today, you can find plaques, signs, and sometimes tributes to the race’s history in the town. It’s a convenient jumping-off point.
• Getting There: Cerda is about 60 km (roughly an hour’s drive) southeast of Palermo along the A19 motorway (exit at Scillato or Buonfornello and follow local roads).
2. Cerda to Caltavuturo (SP7):
• Distance: About 20 km (12 miles) of winding, rural roads.
• What to Expect: As you climb into the Madonie Mountains, you’ll pass through scenic farmland and hillside villages. The roads are narrow and twisty, so drive with caution and enjoy the panorama.
3. Caltavuturo to Scillato (SP24/SP9):
• Distance: Approximately 10-15 km (6-9 miles).
• Highlights: This segment offers stunning mountain views. In Caltavuturo, consider a short stop for a coffee and to soak in the small-town atmosphere.
4. Scillato to Collesano (SP9):
• Distance: About 20 km (12 miles).
• Why It’s Special: Collesano was historically significant in Targa Florio folklore. There is a small Targa Florio Museum (Museo Targa Florio) in Collesano with photos, memorabilia, and historical accounts of the race. This town was a prime spectator spot, and traces of the event’s legacy still linger.
5. Collesano to Campofelice di Roccella (SP9/SP28):
• Distance: Roughly 15 km (9 miles).
• Scenery: As you head downhill, you’ll transition from the mountainous interior toward the Tyrrhenian coast. On clear days, you’ll have spectacular views of the sea and coastline.
6. Campofelice di Roccella back to Cerda (SP9/SP6):
• Distance: Around 10-15 km (6-9 miles).
• Return Leg: Heading inland again, you complete the loop, returning to Cerda. The rolling hills and rural ambiance remain much as they would have been in decades past, albeit with modern traffic and infrastructure.
'From Harrowgate it started' 1971 RAC rally
I think it was jaguar themselves that offered the E-type EV conversion, it was called the Concept Zero and if I remember correct the conversion cost was astronimcal. I don't mind people converting classics if the original engine is unrepairable but it is sacrilege otherwise.
Couldn't stop laughing when I heard what was a fart at 1.03.23 in it really has everything keep up the good work
I wonder what’s the best cheap car to use for road trips considering autobahn.
I mean a 2013ish Range Rover autobiography should cost mid 10s today but would you take a high depreciation car to its limits?
Blue Train in South Africa 🇿🇦 was the answer to the Orient Express. Great 5 star service for the rich and famous 😊
Now, if F1 was to standardise the car, whose car design are you judging your top 5 drivers with? Because we've already seen that some drivers just can't adjust if the car doesn't perform like how they're used to. So really the car does make a difference, as much as each driver's ability to adapt to change.
Thanks to Chris Cooper for mentioning the Honda S600. I was litteraly shouting this fabulous little cars' name at my Tv screen since first hearing the words 'chain driven'
Best time of the week!
We need some consumer diesel advice to follow the petrol station debate. What does Chris put in his D3 Alpine? is Shell standard diesel better than the premium stuff?
Really wanna see a segment on interior/ambient lighting
In the '60's Ron Fry, a local garage owner, and nice man, ruled Castle Combe in his 250GTO, until Vic Alford raced one day in his Porsche...
Neil is on it, the new Cure album is amazing.
My favourite road in Scotland, is just off the A82 at the "Rest and Be Thankful" - also my favourite street name - but the wee 6 miles off shoot road that goes from there down to Lochgoilhead - bloody awesome drive, built for a WRX or an M3 or any Porsche to just nail the bends, or a big Jaaaaag to take it easy and drive like you own the glens, and will be consuming some of the Stags later!
It’s a bit narrow , single track most of it , is it not ?
Can’t really get the boot down safely.
@@Carrera-gp9od It is single track. Best at night - as then you can see the lights from oncoming vehicles. Gotta know the road well to nail it, have each bend memorised.
Mr Cooper. And Harris aswell. DR Mark Green has a pre war chain driven car. I think you should do the LTB run next year with him. Maybe even do some filming for the channel.
Can we please have some videos and content of all 4 learned colleagues behind the wheel of their cars, perhaps when Lola is finished on some of their favourite roads in the UK 🙏🏻
I appreciated the horse joke Neil.
Trains down here at the pointy end are mostly useless for getting about but we did have a lovely family trip up to Plymouth on the lovely looking bottle green GWR high speed train, so quiet and comfortable.
However on the way back 3 services had been canceled inc our planed return so everyone was piled on to a little flat fronted dribbler for a hot cramped slow and wobbly ride back.
And sadly that puts me right off trains.
Nice one gents, thank you
59:14 hahahaha no way in hell. Charles is going to smoke Lewis. I love LH44 but Neil you must be high off your face to believe that.
Gonna really enjoy Charles making Lewis retire
i think its been said by a few now, sod the time saving for any new train project. we just need wifi, reliability and frequent trains.
Blitzen Benz would be my choice for a chain driven car or a '66 Toronado.
City of New Orleans: overnight from Chicago to NOLA, just like the song every trip
Yes chris! Take Neil around the old spa and make a video about it
😮😮😮. Ment to be at Donington with the superkart next year
Motorsport uk needs to give a head a shake
Hi Daniel,
This was a mistake - apologies for any distress and confusion caused. What Chris C meant is that there's been no British/national title this year. MSUK is still licensing Superkarts. Superkart is alive and well.
We love and revere them, hence our reference in this episode with the link to an onboard at Peel.
@ The driver in that video is a friend of mine
If you ever want another go in a superkart I’m sure we could get you out in one of the fast ones. A newer version of what you did laps at top gear in. When we came down that time
@ I will say that this has been taken badly by the community. That already believes that the muk. Are out to get the superkarts. And have very little in the way of practical knowledge about them The feeling of them wanting us not to be there so making it more difficult for us to race
His comments have put fuel on this fire As if he has let something slip that is in the works that he didn’t mean to
Some of those chain-driven cars look like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
Truly scrumptious
Car trains, yes, please. I'd love to drive on board in the evening and drive off somewhere in Europe the following morning.
Totally agree about the need for a cars-on-train motorail service in the UK to remove that monotonous motorway slog between major cities. I drive from just outside the M25 to Scotland a few times a year and the London to Glasgow section is an unpleasant bore in any car.
Given the state of our railways in the UK and the cost of living, it's unlikely anyone could get such a service running at a viable price (unless there's government subsidy, which is also unlikely).
Therefore, could another solution to the problem of boring inter-city motorway slogs be to get fully autonomous cars working and legalised? To the degree that you can have a sleep and wake up in Inverness? Assuming the technology and legislation could be achieved, would you do it? Or would the car that can support this not be the car you want with you at the other end? Do we need some whacky autonomous sleds to whisk you there in your enthusiast car? ... discuss... !
Just back from Ballater last night, over the A93. (My favourite road) when we got married 35 years ago in Ballater my wife’s uncle motor railed his car up for the wedding.
If you restomod a Bowler with electricals and a battery do you end up with the E-Bowler? Sounds lethal. Train is better if you're on the footplate!
We do love trains. Here in Kenya they have one that i goes past the national parks and on the odd occasion you see the wild animals as you take in the scenery. Have travelled on UK trains too. Although the romance is ruined by a drunk or a youth flicking through their socials without a headset so we hear everything he's watching.
Once did Montpelier to Calais on a motor rail
My chosen vehicle was a Yamaha Tenere 600 , bought in Perpignan and used in
London for 9 months on a French plate!
Parked anywhere ✌️
Great show guys. You’re all legends but I think Mr N Cooper wins.
Staying in Plockton in the summer, after dropping in a year or two back. Utterly beautiful village. Then off to the outer Hebrides for a week, is there a better holiday??!