Did this Muslim DEBUNK the Trinity in 30 Seconds?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- The Muslim in this video clearly thinks this was a “Gotcha!” moment. In fact, the video is titled Trinity debunked in 30 seconds. Wow! That’s a pretty big claim. So, let’s pull out the Red Pen and see if it works.
It’s not surprising why this argument is so appealing. After all, it seems to show how Christians affirm two contradictory ideas. On the one hand, if we say that Jesus is God, then he must also believe God can die because Jesus died. On the other hand, if we say that God can’t die, then Jesus can’t be God because Jesus died.
So, what’s wrong with this argument? This reasoning relies on an equivocation of the word ‘die.’ An equivocation, for you logic nerds, is the fallacy of using a word in two different senses in an argument.
In this case, the word ‘die’ is being used in two different senses. Webster’s dictionary defines die as ‘pass from physical life.’ But it also defines die as ‘pass out of existence.’
If this Muslim asked me, “Can God die?” I would reply, “It depends on what you mean by ‘die’ and it depends on what you mean by ‘God.’” You see, when terms are not clearly defined, people can end up talking in circles. (This video is case in point).
So, can God die? Well, God cannot cease to exist. In that sense, God cannot die. What about that other sense? Can God die physically? Well, a non-physical God can’t die physically. Since Christians believe God the Father and God the Spirit are not physical, they cannot die in that sense either.
However, Christians hold that God the Son took on flesh and dwelt among us (as John says). The one divine Person of Jesus has two distinct natures: a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. This is called the hypostatic union. And, it’s because of the hypostatic union, that everything experienced in the two natures of Christ must be said to be experienced by the one, divine Person. So, the divine Person of Christ, for example, learned to walk and talk since he is the subject of everything experienced through his two natures.
Okay, so can God die? Well, if we’re talking about God the Son incarnate and if we’re talking about physical death (not ceasing to exist), then, yes, in that sense, God can and did die!
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The death on the cross proved Jesus’ humanity. The empty tomb proved His divinity.
well put
Doesn’t the empty tomb just prove that Jesus is Gods chosen Messiah, that God chose to resurrect?
@@GD-Personaldepening on your faith, the Father and the Son are the same person, ala catholicism. However LDS people like myself know they're two different people.
@@GD-Personal In John 10:18, Jesus says, "No one takes it [my life] from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again."
Yes, God the Father resurrected Christ, but it is also true that Jesus has the power to take his life up again and was working in his own resurrection. A merely human person does not have this authority.
@@AtlasofSol No, roman catholics are trinitarians.
Ex Muslim here, never stop exposing them. Jesus is king 🙏🏾
Define “only”
You will have no excuse on the day of judgement. I hope you’re ready.
@@OzzyHamid-cl2fi _You will have no excuse on the day of judgement. I hope you’re ready._
Sure he has an excuse. Accepting Jesus is King is the perfect excuse. Your refusing to do so, there is no excuse for that.
Jesus was a prophet, he is not God. A human can never be a God.
What is the difference between you and the Hindus who believe that cows are Gods, do you have the right to deny their worship?
You don't have the right to tell them that Cows can not be God.
@@bebobauomy1265 because Jesus claimed to be good and backed up that claim with miracles, something only the divine god can do.
A fun question to throw back at the Muslim is, is God alive? By the scientific definition of life, he isn't. So clearly, not only are we dealing with an equivocation, we're dealing with a categorization error. The definition of life needs to be addressed, too.
Well said!
Yep, hadn't though of that yet. My main argument against this is by humbling himself to take on human flesh, Jesus made the greatest sacrifice that anyone can ever make... infinitely far beyond what any human can make... and he made this commitment while he was / is God.
But even if death is demanded, that too was satisfied. Jesus is simultaneously both true God and true Man. He's not 50% God and 50% man. So when the God the Son incarnate died, his spirit was released from the flesh (i.e. death), but that is still God's the Son's spirit, not a human spirit. Ergo, we have a divine, sacrificial death in every sense of the phrase.
@@sidwhiting665 How is it a sacrifice? God is omnipotent, immortal, and omniscient, right? So how is *anything* god chooses to do a sacrifice? By that logic, every senseless death of a human is a sacrifice, not part of any divine plan. For 30 odd years out of infinity, a piece of god played at being human, and you think that's a tremendous sacrifice?
@darrennew8211 you think leaving your home of perfect peace and harmony where you are only worshipped and adored and then coming to be born as an impoverished human, working his entire life just to live, then starving in a desert to have his flesh tempted by Satan himself, then dying an excruciating death the likes of which had never been seen...
You think that isn't a worthy sacrifice? You think leaving behind and suppressing his divinity wasn't enough? Idk what else I could ever tell you to change your mind.
I mean, that's most definitions of life not even the scientific definitions, so this is really just semantics, typical of the Muslim to not understand language.
Jesus took on a mortal body, so that he COULD die and be the divine sacrifice.
What was that guy even thinking? Muslims believe the Torah. So physical animals can take away sin, but the physical body of Jesus can't?
@@danielbu2611 The animals/sacrifice thing goes back to the law of Moses that some of the first 5 books in the bible go into painfully detailed explanation about the law of moses.
Yes, I don't know why people struggle with this. It's the same with us just about because when we die it is just our bodies and not our spirit that dies. So we don't die either. Take care
@@muppetonmeds We don't die in terms of ceasing to exist. But death is in essence separation. Physical death is separation of the soul from the body. Spiritual death is separation of the Soul from God. Revelation calls it "the second death".
@@danielbu2611 exactly, death has such a negative connotation, and is woefully misunderstood.
One of the best channels I've ever seen. NEVER stop.
"God is dead" Nietzsche and Christians.
"debunks" *doesnt let him finish his sentence*
That’s what I noticed 💀
Thats wh- IT's A LOGICAL FALLACY!!!!!
Classic Muslim debate
As I was watching the debate between the Christian and the Muslim, a question that popped in my head was, "did God stay dead?" Jesus' resurrection should never be absent in a discussion of His death.
Yahweh is Yahshua there is not God head in the Bible. Yahshua means Yahweh saves no other name does. HALLELU-YAH read Isaiah 12:2; 43:10-12 is John 8:23-24 I AM HE 2 Corinthians 5:19 HALLELU-YAH
Here is testimony by the Apostles on how Jesus came back to life.
(Acts 2:32) God resurrected this Jesus, and of this we are all witnesses.
@@jimjuri6490 Did you know the name Jesus is Latin pronounced Hey-Zeus it means nothing in Hebrew. Hebrews 13:8 If Yahshua means Yahweh's deliverance in Hebrew He is the same yesterday and today & forever is he not?❤
So your god is mortal? Many people were resurrected in the bible btw
@@emirtaufiq Yahweh the Father made a body & put his spirit in it just like in everyone of us on earth. Isaiah 55:11 His Spirit is a it His word is a thing.
Thank you! I always appreciate your videos! Your careful attention to detail and calm response should be the approach of every apologist and evangelist. You are an excellent example of the goal being the fight for the soul, not the fight for the argument. Thanks again Red Pen Logic!
In other words, death is one of the things which can happen to a physical creature - whether or not that physical creature has a spirit which continues to exist after death, and which can be re-connected with its body.
So, as a human being can die (but not cease existing), Jesus, being a human being, can die. Jesus, being also God, can still die. But His dying is not a contradiction with His Godhood, because it is only death in the same way all humans die - physically.
Muslims, by using this argument, are either playing word games, or making death more than what it is, while also strangely cheapening what death is.
Also, you can ask them, so the Quran is eternal? But you can destroy a Quran, can't you? Therefore, the Quran is mortal! And see how they like that line of thinking.
Well done
Yes, it's the same thing when our bodies die we live on. I don't know why people struggle with this? Take care
Exactly! I also answered but after you without knowing you answered the same way. Very good!
Frankly, Muslims spit nothing but lies so they really don't think about or care about what they are saying until they are called on and shut down.
Notice the Muslim kept cutting off the Christian? It's on purpose. He pretends to want answers but in reality just wants to prop himself up.
except the christian god won't let anybody die. and "whether or not that physical creature has a spirit which continues to exist after death, and which can be re-connected with its body". Magnificent obfuscation and clearly your own word game.
I would love to see you touch on Islamic topics more often. It is still one of the most apparent plagues in this modern world.
if you see islam as a plague in this world, you're probably on team satan
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Just to name a few
@@pratiksalve8823 Ah yea, I know of them, and watch mostly David's stuff, of those you've listed.
I suppose I just mean the more people that talk about Islamic issues, the better people's defence will be pertaining to it.
Pagans 😂
@@War-3764
You kissed 😘 the black stone yet?
Baffled only by his lack of understanding of the concept he wants to argue against.
I’m honestly starting to believe that understanding these types of discussions and concepts should be mandatory in order to get involved with evangelicalism and ministry.
@@ryankelly9032.....edited( this is sarcasm for those with no sense of humor)
well, I know absolutely no theology, couldn't even tell ya the name of the god i worship but my church has the best coffee you ever tasted.
Our child care facilities are second to none and everyone in our congregation knows well over 500 K-love songs and our minister has a degree in audio engineering. You should see our light show!!!
With all that work, I am sure god will let us in to heaven 🤔.
@@rustyshackleford9557 I’m a little confused by your comment. I would agree that the showiness of many churches today does nothing to spread the gospel or lead to real salvation, but I’m not sure how it relates to the topic at hand.
@@ryankelly9032 I was being sarcastic.
I find that many Christians are utterly unable to intelligently defend their faith.
I thought I read a comment from another person stating that folks should be better equipped with knowledge to better spread the gospel.
I see modern churches often that are only equipped to serve coffee and host little contemporary music sing alongs.
@@ryankelly9032 sorry my post was censored. I will try again
I simply see a modern church lacking in biblical knowledge and apologetics but very good at entertaining members.
He’s using that equivocation to create a straw man, so it’s actually two fallacies in one. The Christian in the video likely doesn’t have the education in logical argumentation to even know where to start.
The Christian did better than I thought he would. He does need to brush up on common Islamic apologetic arguments, though, if he's going to voluntarily go toe-to-toe with them. They are not dumb people.... many are highly intelligence, schooled, and prepared to poke holes in everything they find objectionable about Christianity. Problem is, they've been taught a false version of what Christian's believe, so they make objections about stuff we don't even teach.... unless you're in a bad church.
It's not a straw man if it's your own argument. A straw man is when you're arguing against what someone else said and lying about what they said. The muslim asks questions that give contradictory answers, so by definition it can't be a straw man.
@@darrennew8211 it’s a straw man because it’s an inaccurate presentation of the Christian position. He pretends there is a contradiction by presenting only half of the argument. He makes it seem reasonable through equivocation.
@@ryankelly9032 He's not presenting an argument. He's asking questions. That's the point. He's not saying "A follows from B." He's asking "Is B?" Then "Does A follow from B?" Then "Does A not refute B?"
You can't straw-man an argument if you're getting the other person to make the argument by asking questions. He makes absolutely no statement about what the other person is arguing. He's 100% asking the other person to explain his confusion.
@@darrennew8211 He is presenting an argument, he’s just attempting to use the Socratic method, which consists of asking questions to lead the listener to a specific conclusion. The questions he’s asking are based on false premises, and demonstrate that he either doesn’t understand the position he’s arguing against (intentionally or not) or he does and he’s lying to appear as if he won. That’s what a straw man is and its entire purpose.
Thank you. I too have fallen to the trap of accepting the premise of the question instead of making sure that we agree with the terms of the question. Always ask questions when faced with a difficult question. 😇
Here’s my rebuttal of Islam, why did a prophet of God have a six-year-old wife
she barley left kindergarten 💀
that happened 1400 years ago
meanwhile someone could get married at 6 200 years ago
@@veryrandomusere I’m not talking about some random person from 1400 years ago, talking about someone who claimed to have God speaking morality into his ear. Therefore, I would expect absolute morality in his actions.
So either Muslims think that God supports marrying six-year-olds, in which case why is it illegal now in Islamic countries? Is there own God wrong about morality?
Or, God told Mohammad it wasn’t OK, and he ignored him and did it anyway.
Even a more fun fact: when the prophet (police be upon him), a MAN breastfed him...
Red Pen Logic, thank you for your videos. They are really informing. God Bless you 🙏
He kept cutting the guy off as he tried to explain. His argument is based on human thinking. He is limiting who God is.
_He kept cutting the guy off as he tried to explain. His argument is based on human thinking. He is limiting who God is._
Right, the Muslim kept imposing His Islam version, the corrupted version, of Christianity on to what the true version of Christianity is to set up a straw man.
There are many things God cannot do. One is change form and another is, die.
(Malachi 3:6) “For I am Jehovah; I do not change.
(Habakkuk 1:12) Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die.
Jesus did both.
So good! Allways, before answering questions, make sure to ask, "what do you mean by that"
I will! Thank you ❤️
What's always interesting to me is the Muslim attempts to destroy the trinity when I don't think they understand what it is. Even their false prophet got it wrong in the Koran, saying in Koran 5:116 that Mary and Jesus were claiming to be God, implying Mohamed thought the trinity was the Father, Son and Mary. If Mohamed can't get the trinity correct, how can we expect Muslims to get the trinity correct? Or do they not believe their own supposedly perfect book?
yeah islam is a mess
Also the Muslim in the clip was barely letting the other guy speak, kept interrupting him. Like dude, be slow to speak, quick to listen (James 1:19).
@AcousticThoughts159 Muslims see letting the other person speak as weakness. That’s why Sam Shamoun is seen as “rude”, but he 100% understands how they are strength and weakness.
I would have asked the muslim to explain who the trinity is
Then I would have shown him in the quran that alla thinks Mary is part of the trinity.
Epic fail, mohammalla
“And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say?” Quran 5:116
The verse never makes the claim about the trinity being Mary, Jesus and god, It doesn’t even say trinity. But it says people will claim Jesus and Mary to be gods besides Allah which doesn’t imply anything to do with the trinity.
Dude. That was a very good break down. Thank you so much for all you do! Keep up the great work!
The same way that your flesh dies, His died too.
Neither of you stopped to exist.
That is not biblical. In the Bible you actually do stop existing at death
@@sgame82 We stop existing at death? There is no hell or heaven?
@@bebobauomy1265 There is a heaven and hell but they are not what many people were taught to believe. The Bible says in in Psalms 146:4 when he goes to the ground his thoughts perish. Ecclesiastes 9:10 says there is no work or wisdom or knowledge in the grave.
And Hell is not some fiery place where people continue to exist and are tormented which the devil is in charge of. These are teachings that mislead people.
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@@sgame82 Yes, his thoughts and plans, not his soul. Please do not interpret the text as you want to support your claim, the Bible explicitly says that the soul does not disappear after death.
For example, Luke 16:22, 23.
This is helpful because I didn't recognize the equivocation until you mentioned it.
Thanks for making these debunking videos for people who has questions or that are trying to "expose" Christianity! I'm a new subscriber
Christian - Is quran Eternal?
Muslim - Yes
Christian - Can quran be destroyed?
Muslim - No because it is allahs words and is eternal
Christian - So then how come Uthman burnt all the copies of quran which were different than what you read today? Or what if this book of quran gets older and tears apart?
Muslim - You are referring to quran made of paper and ink but not actual words of allah. Book of quran which is also word of allah made of paper and ink can be destroyed but not allahs actual eternal words.
Christian - Oh now I see. So allahs word can become paper and ink which can be destroyed but his actual words are still eternal. So then why do you have a problem when we say the same for Jesus. God's Word, Jesus became flesh and dies for our sins but is still Eternal. His flesh died but his Spirit was still alive. In addition he rose back again on the third day defeating death. Dont you sound hypocrite?.
That’s the best argument I have ever heard about that topic. Thanks 🙏🏻
Jesus being called by the TITLE the Word and the words that God speaks are separate things.
Jeremiah 1:4 The word of Jehovah came to me, saying:
These are spoken words. Not a reference to Jesus.
The apostate church tried to destroy these words which God got written down. But naturally failed.
@@jimjuri6490 This is a problem with some people who do no read the scriptures properly and conclude on what suits them.
To the reference that you are giving and misquoting, the verse of Jeremaih 1:4 'The Word of the Lord came to him'. Can you please tell me how the Word might have looked like as the Word came to him physically? Did they looked like characters of Hebrews language to Jeremiah? No because it is Word and not words that came to him. And that LORD touched Jeremiahs mouth with his hand in verse 9.
This is Jesus here as John says in John 1:1 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God'.
So who was in the beginning? The Word. And this Word was with God and this Word is also God. So this Word is God and also a distinct person of God.
Thats why we are Trinitarians.
Now who is that actual Word of God. For that please read the entire chapter of John and not just 1 verse as you did with Jeremiah. And please have patience I will come to Jeremiah. I promise.
It is Jesus who is the Word of God. Because when you continue reading John 1 and reach verse 14 it also says - 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
So that Word became flesh and dwelt among them. Any guesses who became flesh and was dwelling among them? Yes its Jesus.
So the Word of God is Jesus, the Word who was in the beginning and then became flesh.
Now lets continue Jeremiah and look at the verse which you didnt read. Look at Jeremiah 1:6 where Jeremiah speaks to that Word of Lord which came to him. Thereafter did you read verse 7. I bet you havent read. So please do me a favour and read it and see who responds. No suprise it is the LORD who responds. So the Word of LORD is also LORD similar to what we saw in John (Word of God is also God). I would ask you to read that now in Hebrews language if you can read and understand Hebrews. If not you can use interliner and see what is that Hebrew word which is translated to LORD in english. Surprise surprise it is YAHWEH.
Thank you for bringing this verse which proved that Jesus is the Word of God and he is YAHWEH meaning God.
See how beautiful our Bible is. Both Old and New Testament are beautifully aligned and both of them proves that Jesus is the Word of God and is God (YAHWEH).
I pray that the LORD opens your heart to see the true God.
I heard someone say, "look for the assumptions within the question." There's so many silly things that people don't consider before they ask questions or make statements. The apologist has a great challenge with this stuff. Kudos to this guy.
Excellent, short, to the point video. "Trinity un-debunked in 167 seconds."
It's called "Rebunked"
Good point, mate. Well explained. I'm just saddened because the right people who need to watch the video might not come across it. But please, keep making videos like this. At least, anyone who wants to argue, we'll do it here in the comment section. Thanks mate! God bless.
Good explanation but you missed his follow up question of "where is the eternal sacrifice?" It is in the dual nature of Jesus. Jesus put on flesh to walk among us and that flesh was crucified, but Jesus was not only flesh He is also God, as a person of the Trinity, so both His human nature and divine nature received the punishment. Jesus was sinless in His human nature (and even the Qu'ran affirms this) and He is perfectly/infinitely Holy in His divine nature so even though only the flesh can die the punishment and sacrifice is applied to both natures. Any punishment applied to an infinitely holy being is infinite by definition and more than enough to cover all the sin of finite and fallen beings.
That didn't make any sense to me. What was the punishment for the divine nature?
@@Ahmed-DBThe punishment was not FOR His divine nature it was applied to both His human and divine nature as He was fully human and divine. The divine nature of Jesus cannot die because it is spirit (and God) but when Jesus took on flesh He was BOTH divine and human (humanity was an addition to His divine nature not a replacement of His divine nature). Thus what you did to Jesus the man, you also did to Jesus the second person of the Trinity. When Jesus suffered and died on the cross, He was innocent, both in His human nature and His divine nature. This is the sacrificial attornment. It was foreshadowed in the Old Testament by the sacrifice of unblemished animals. When he was beaten and nailed to the cross it is important to remember that because Jesus embodied a duel nature, so He suffered as God and man. His human body died and for 3 days and for those 3 days He existed as only Spirit (divine nature) but He resurrected that body and again added flesh to his divine nature. After 40 days He ascended into heaven and maintains both His divine and human nature forever.
@@moose9906Eh… not sure how we could say that the divine nature received punishment? It almost sounds like we would have to invoke partialism but, even then, that still wouldn’t make sense.
God would never punish His own divine nature/essence! If Jesus has the fullness of deity, that fullness cannot be punished.
Otherwise, we would have to say God punished Himself when, clearly, that’s not the case.
@@moose9906Besides, within a classical framework, I think it follows that only the human nature receives punishment.
Classically, trinitarians argue that Jesus has two wills for his two natures: one human will and the one divine will of the Trinity.
When the Son is subject to the Father (Luke 22:42), the classical trinitarians would say that’s his human will in subjection, not the one divine will of the Trinity.
(The emphasis on one divine will is supposed to push back against the implications of tri-theism.)
Hence, I think you could be consistent as a classical trinitarian and say that only the human nature of Jesus received punishment.
@@zekdom I think we need to define what actually happened here. The concept is not punishment. The concept is atonement. Christ atoned for our sins. He was not punished for our sins. Rather he took on humanity's punishment.
Think of it like being in court room with your son for a speeding ticket. The judge slaps him with a $100 fine. He's broke and will go to jail if he doesn't pay (yeah, I realize that's not how it really works.... bear with me), so you decide to pay the debt for him. You are not being "punished"; you simply atoned for his actions by paying his fine. Punishment is a form of behavioral conditioning that is designed to evoke deterrence (i.e. stop doing the bad thing), but you never sped, so you are not deterred from doing a bad things that you never did in the first place. Hopefully you son IS deterred because he recognizes you made a sacrifice for him.
Atonement, on the other hand, reconciles God and Man, through God voluntarily taking the punishment due to humans. Only he is capable of doing this, because only he is holy. Infinitely holiness can cover finite sinfulness. Think about it: even if humanity survives 1,000,000 years and everyone who ever lives sins 1,000,000 times.... God's holiness is still MORE than all the weight of all the sins throughout all history.... because his holiness is infinite. The number of human sins is finite, including the number of sinful human natures. Even if there are 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,00,000 sins to atone for, limitless holiness is all that + infinity more.
In summary, God takes on our punishment, but he himself is not punished. Rather, he atones (makes right) the relationship between God and Man.
Great video! Love what you're doing there with your channel and your ministry. Great stuff! God bless!
Thank you so much!
Great response and great reminder! We need to define terms!
Wow! Best explanation for nature of Trinity. This nailed it. People think winning an argument validates their thinking until they meet their match. You should have taken that question..
If an author writes himself into his novel, and then his avatar in the novel dies, did the author die?
The two natures explanation is very good. Good video. Also when the Muslim asks where the divine sacrifice is when the Christian says that the divine nature didn’t die, I think it’s important to note that the wrath of God was satisfied on the cross (when Jesus is still alive) and completed when he says it is finished.
Sam Shamoun has already dealt with this before. "Die" as in "cease to exist"? No. "Die" as in the body died and the spirit/essence is still alive? Yeah.
Matthew 28:19 is a prime example for the trinity.
You don't go and make disciples in the name of just one, but in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for the breakdown, I really enjoy all that you do, hope to see you next week at the Biblical Worldview Conference!
The Muslim was demanding, "where is the divine sacrifice?", in order to supposedly debunk Christianity. Does the Bible ever actually refer to Jesus' death as a "divine sacrifice"? If not, then the objection simply doesn't apply.
It's a sacrifice, isn't it? And since it's god being sacrificed, it seems like it's a divine sacrifice? It's like asking a person who can conjure money out of thin air to "sacrifice" a few dollars for charity.
@@darrennew8211 Ok, so you didn't actually answer the question, leaving us to conclude that you are unaware of any Bible passage claiming the sacrifice was "divine". So, if Jesus did have a divine nature along with a human nature, it wasn't required for the divine nature to perish, since the Bible never claims such.
@@schlauchmeister234 I'm not a bible scholar. No, I don't know if the bible says those words precisely. So why doesn't the christian say "there was no divine sacrifice"?
I was also saying the same thing. The bible never claims that. If Jesus took on flesh to die a physical death, that means that his devine nature didn't need to perish for the atonement to be carried out. Sadly, the christian man was not prepared for these trick questions.
@@darrennew8211 "So why doesn't the christian say "there was no divine sacrifice"?" - The Christian in the video? I'm not a mind reader, so I can't speak to his motivations.
However, the more important question is, where is the Muslim's idea of this alleged "divine" sacrifice coming from? If it isn't a Biblical concept, then it is not a legitimate criticism of Christianity.
Philippines 2:6 - 2:11 is basically an early creed that answers this.
Conceding that Jesus died as a Muslim sure is a strange position to take, considering the Quran explicitly says that didn’t happen
Saying that only the human nature of Jesus died is the Nestorian heresy. The muslim was right in pointing out the inconsistency that flows from this heresy.
Quite frankly, I don’t see how it’s Nestorian to emphasize the human nature of Jesus’ death… when it’s considered Orthodox that only Jesus’ human will is subject to the Father (Luke 22:42) - avoiding the claim that the one divine will of the Trinity is in any way subject/subordinate.
Functionally, I see no difference. Only the human will of Jesus is subject to the Father’s will, and only the human nature of Jesus died a physical death. What’s the difference between these two points?
The Third Council of Constantinople’s ruling on the two wills of Jesus made it inevitable that trinitarians would emphasize the human nature of Jesus in certain contexts.
@@zekdom James 1:8
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
The Jesus I believe in is not double minded. He is Gods son…his chosen messiah.
Please stop with this trinity mess…it’s destroying peoples chances of finding the one true God, and his only begotten son Jesus.
@@GD-Personal Speaking of James, James 5:10-11 is most revealing when read in context. What kind of Lord are we seeing here?
@@GD-Personal There should be no problem saying that the one true God is the Father Almighty (John 17:3).
What trinitarians are saying is that the Word and Holy Spirit can be called God because they are one with the Father in essence - the Word and Holy Spirit are essential to the Father’s identity.
When you invoke the Father, you invoke all of him, including his Word and Spirit.
Can God exist apart from his own wisdom? Of course not! God is forever wise.
And Jesus is that Wisdom (1 Corinthians 1:24 and Matthew 11:19). This is Wisdom Christology.
And of course, no text suggests that the Holy Spirit is created - at one point did not exist. Therefore, the Holy Spirit has always existed with the Father.
Wherever the Father is, so too is the Spirit of God (Psalm 139:7).
The Holy Spirit cannot be taught anything - implying the Holy Spirit already knows everything (Isaiah 40:13).
This Holy Spirit is one with God; we cannot separate the Spirit from God Almighty!
To be clear, classical trinitarians agree that the Son and Holy Spirit have the Father as their source, in that the Son is begotten by the and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. (Filioque controversy aside.)
The classical trinitarian argument is that the Son is essentially, atemporally caused. What’s the justification, you may ask?
Let’s look at the flame analogy. The flame is the cause of its own light and heat. And yet, the flame could not be a flame without the light and heat.
Now, let’s switch from that finite example to the infinite God Almighty. (The flame analogy seems appropriate because God is described as a “consuming fire” in Hebrews 12.)
God is the source of his own radiance, the radiance of his glory. And yet, God is always radiant with glory because that’s who he is - a radiant, glorious being. That’s essential to his identity as the Almighty.
Thus, God must be generating this radiance of his own glory forever.
Well, the Son is described as this very radiance, the radiance of God’s glory (Hebrews 1:3)! Therefore, the Son is both (essentially) caused and eternal - generated outside of time long ago in eternity past. That’s the essential oneness we’re seeing here, not just unity in purpose.
If anybody has any confusion over this topic - whether trinitarian or unitarian - I recommend reading Tertullian’s Against Praxeus.
In that, Tertullian makes it simple: when he sees both the Father and Son, Tertullian will refer to the Father as “God” and Jesus as “Lord”. And when the Son alone is in view, Tertullian would call the Son “God”.
In my estimation, that’s a beautiful and simple way to address the Father Almighty and his Son.
@@zekdom If the divine part of Jesus didn't die, then He is not the Messiah. Jesus was fully God and man, but He had to experience the same kind of death as everybody else. The part that makes this belief illogical is that only a God Being could provide atonement for sins. Jesus couldn't do that with just His human self because He didn't commit any sin. And even if He did, it would only pay for His own sins and nobody else's.
There is one sentence that summarize both : John 10 : i have the power to give my life and take it back. No one has the power to take my life, i give it myself.
We know that Yeshua/Jesus never lied.
He gave back The Spirit at the cross when he chooses to do so, which man can choose the moment when he dies?
He is also ressurected so He has chosen the moment of His own ressurection, while He was dead, which man can decide to ressurect himslef while dead?
That's the proof he was both 100% human and 100% God so it was a divine sacrifice.
Ps: sorry for my english, sometime autocorrection, i'm french.
Jesus expressed plainly that He had the authority from God the Father, to lay his life down and take it back up again.
Thats how Jesus, being the sacrificed Lamb of God, was able to die and rise again to bring salvation.
What is stunning about Islamic apologetics is they will ask the most obvious questions as if they are knock down arguments against Christianity. The death of christ is so central to christianity.... so trying to invalidate christianity by talking about the death of Jesus is just silly.... he probably thinks wow no one thought about that.
I think the Muslims have a valid point.
People who go around claiming that Jesus was God and got killed, have got their beliefs in a knot.
God cannot be killed. That is why the term IMMORTAL applies to God.
(Habakkuk 1:12) Are you not from everlasting, O Jehovah? O my God, my Holy One, you do not die.
Christians have never believed that their Leader Jesus was also their God.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
I grew up in a Catholic household and consider myself Christian don’t understand the Trinity.
Obviously the muslim didnt read the torah.
Never in the Jewish scriptures and theology they say that God is a man that's why they reject Christianity, and don't it's their scripture don't hijack others scriptures to fit in your perspective 😂
@@Ibrahimgamz the jews also believe through their talmud that jesus is burning in hot excrement that his mother is a whore and that jesus is a bastard according to talmud. you don't believe this so why you being hypocrite? why would we therefore think that the jews are responsible to verbatimly dictate the old testament text for us? why you being hypocrite? if they can prove their claims then sure, but your claim is flat. 😂 besides even moses Maimonides concedes that Isaiah 9:6 is about Messiah and the title el gibbor (mighty God) is being indicted to the Messiah. Isaiah 9:6 states there is a Child to be born a Son of God whose name is to be the mighty God. 😂
Commenting on a false messianic claimant who appeared in Yemen, Maimondes wrote:
'Do these characteristics make him a Messiah? You were beguiled by him because you have not considered the pre-eminence of the Messiah, the manner and place of his appearance, and the marks whereby he is to be identified. The Messiah, indeed, ranks after Moses in eminence and distinction and God has bestowed some gifts upon him which he did not bestow upon Moses, as may be gathered from the verses: "His delight shall be in the fear of the Lord" (Isaiah 11:3). "The Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him. (11:2). 'And righteousness shall be the girdle of his lions." (11:5). Six appellations were divinely conferred upon him as the following passage indicates: "For a child is born unto us, and a Son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder, and he is called 'Pele, Yoetz, El Gibbor, Abiad, Sar-Shalom." (Isaiah 9:6). And another verse alluding to the Messiah is the following manner: "Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee." (Psalm 2:7). All these statements demonstrate the pre-eminence of the Messiah.
Nice work, love this channel.
Yes. The Trinity is manmade nonsense.
They always question and attack the Christian faith, never the Buddhist or Hindu or any other faith.
Interesting, "hypostatic union"......Where can I find this in the Bible.....Keep lying to yourself. The entire doctrine of the trinity is not found neither explained in the Bible. You rely on what the Church tells you, because you can't explain with the bible. Only in Greek mythology Gods can have gods as sons and only in Greek mythology Gods can actually die. Wait a moment, who wrote the new Testament.....Anonymous Greek Authors....
Read Genesis 18, and please explain what happened.
Understanding semantics is pivotal.
It's hard to argue about the existence of God with atheists as much as it is to argue the nature of God with Muslims.
Because the audience in both cases are highly resistant, if not immune to all evidence against their religion.
Nah. Atheists just don't think an argument alone without any evidence is sufficient to prove the existence of something. I can show you all kinds of math that prove the universe has 11 dimensions, but I can't point to any of those dimensions or anything they cause, so the math is unconvincing. The same thing with the holy books.
What evidence do you have?
@War-3764
The existence of the universe, for starters.
Because everything that begins to exist needs a cause. the universe began to exist. Therefore, the universe has a cause, and the cause of the universe must be outside the universe.
It is more reasonable and rational to believe that the existence of the universe was caused by a supernatural and omnipotent being rather than being eternal or creating itself. Although atheists are trying to rationalize this with multiverse or quantum mechanics.
Well im not an atheist but okay cool
@@JonBGreen91 Why is it more rational to believe in it being created by an eternal omnipotent deity than that it's eternal, given we actually have several scientific hypotheses that indicate how it could be eternal and no rational reason to believe in any god so far proposed?
And which god do you believe in, such that your holy book discusses the big bang?
This is a great video to comment on
Hosea 4:6: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
To the Mohammedans:
Romans 10:2: For I bear them (The Mohammedans,) record that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
Matthew 15:14:
Luke 6:39:
This is terrible. I’m a Christian and love Jesus. He is Gods son, Gods chosen Messiah.
If you are Gods son, then you are automatically NOT God…you are his Son.
You used the phrase ‘God the Son’ 2-3 times in your video. the term ‘God the Son’ appears nowhere in the Bible…where did you get it from?
Please stop with this trinity stuff, it’s destroying peoples faith, and keeping Muslims from coming to the one true God.
John 17:3
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
I'd be more worried about you coming to Christ than any muslim. Cuz what you are saying it's complete heresy.
.....let me rephrase that......maybe you are saved....but maybe you just have a very misconstrued understanding of Gods Word. But if that is true, I hope that you are not so narrow minded as to hold to lies when presented with the Truth.
@@Me-ew8uh hi there. Many thanks for the reply. Are you able to show me where the term God the Son appears in scripture?
Who didn't consume pork and alcohol.
😂😂😂
@@Me-ew8uh no worries, I’m used to Trinitarians calling me lots on names and accusing me of heresy/being unsaved etc.
But getting back to some simple scriptures if we can?
Jesus has a God…
John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
The almighty God, does not have a God…
I’m not trying to win an argument or accuse you of being hell bound etc…
Just trying to show you the simplicity of it all. Who did Simon Peter say Jesus was when Jesus asked him?
@@GD-Personal Since you're so set on Scripture. Where in Scripture does it say "The Almighty God has no God"? And where in Scripture is it said that "if you are God's Son, you are automatically not God"?
“Explain.”
“Ok, so-“
“Doesn’t make sense. Explain.”
“Bruh I wasn’t done t-“
“Logical Fallacy. Explain.”
“Would you let-“
“No. Explain.”
the mental gymnastics of Christians is crazy. Alhamdulilah for Islam
Repent and come to Jesus before it’s too late.
How is it mental gymnastics? The Muslim guy, didn’t debunk the Trinity at all.
@@Southernguy41 if arguing for the trinity means redefining what it means to be dead, redefining who is God and sticking conflicting and contradictory attributes to God then nobody can debunk that. You can’t use logic or theology or common sense or anything. It’s nonsense
How?
@@masjidrats2012 The Trinity is God the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. It’s not nonsense nor mental gymnastics. I really don’t understand what you’re getting at.
Defining terms is also important because otherwise people can talk past one another. Two people might have different definitions of a word and think they agree but are actually talking about two different things; or they might think they disagree but when they start defining terms realize they have more in common than they think.
The trinity doesn't need debunking. It's not scriptural in the first place
It is scriptural and every Christian believes it: John 10:30
Agreed, Trinity is a horror show…and keeping so many Muslims from finding the one true God and Jesus, his only begotten son.
@@GD-Personal the trinity being false doctrine doesn't make islam true
@@kadenhays2331 a biune?
Matthew 28:19 : Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Also the error is that they think they can tell God what He can and can't do. Since Christianity teaches that Jesus, being fully God, died, your not believing that or your thinking it doesn't make sense does nothing to make it untrue. They want to claim that Jesus based on the Bible is a prophet, but ignore the Bible where it says Jesus is God and died. You can't have it both ways. It's either all of it, or none of it.
No one died for you in trini-land.
When did you make that up? Providing that is supposed to be a dig against Christianity, this says otherwise.
*3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,* _-- 1 Corinthians 15:3_
And whether you like it or not, Jesus supports "trini-land", the Trinity, if that's what that is supposed to mean.
*19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them **_in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,_* -- Matthew 28:19_
You believe Jesus is God. And that he only kind of died. Because God cannot die no matter which twist you put on it.
I believe Christ is the son of God and died fully and was dead for three days.
Not one verse teach, preach or articulate a triune God let alone the dual nature.
It’s manmade nonsense and philosophy invented by a pagan emporer.
@@JKV84 _Because God cannot die no matter which twist you put on it._
Based on what? But to the contrary. It's you who must be doing the twisting. Colossians 2:9, John 1:14. Duality shown in both of these verses.
*9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;* _-- Colossians 2:9_
*14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.* _-- John 1:14_
Based on the bible
“who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.”
God is immortal = he cannot die = god himself did not die on the cross.
The verse you provide does not show a dual nature. It is illogical and nonsense invented by men.
@@JKV84 So apparently what you think that says is wrong since the verses I gave say otherwise and they must all be true, would not contradict each other. So the error must be what you think that means. You can't cherry pick verses that support what you think and ignore the ones that don't.
They always try to get you to say and agree to stuff as quickly as possible and give you no time.
God is Jehovah
God is the Father
God is one
Christ is Jesus
Christ is the Son of God
Christ is not God
God is not Jesus
God is not Christ
God is not Son of God
God is not three
Just tell the truth.
But you're not telling the truth
@@HearGodsWord which statement?
The Trinity is the truth. John 20:31 supports this.
@@HearGodsWord that verse says that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, it says nothing about God being a team of three people.
@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod When asked about how he knew Abraham he tells the Pharisee before Abraham was I Am. I Am or 'Ehyeh also translates to YHWH (Yahweh) a title or ascribed to God
In John the last of the epistles he writes in John 1: 1-3:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
Jesus is in fact God, lastly Jesus is called the Son of God with a capital S, that is because that is a title, to be known as a Son in that way is to claim to share the same nature as God Himself. This is why the Pharisee sought to kill him, they thought Jesus a blasphemer.
So either Jesus is a liar and the Bible is false or he truly is God (the Son) in union with the Father and Holy Spirit
The fact that Christians got to debate the belief in 1 GOD blows my mind 😂
What?
@@ty-jy6sx I know right
My friend if you don't read the bible you won't understand. We believe in one God which is the The Trinity-Father, Son, and Holy Spirit-is not a belief in three gods but one God in three Persons. It’s a complex concept, but it doesn’t contradict the oneness of God. Instead, it shows the unique way God reveals Himself: the Father creates, the Son redeems, and the Spirit empowers.
The discussions around the Trinity aren’t debates about whether there’s one God but about understanding His nature more deeply. It’s about exploring the mystery of how God can be one and still relate to us in these distinct ways.
@@serghernandez4333 thank you for taking the bait 🪤
@@MoapaManuel If you think debating beliefs is a ‘trap,’ it shows you don’t understand how finding truth works. It’s through open debate and discussion that we challenge ideas, learn, and grow. Even in your own belief system, scholars debate interpretations to understand better. So, if you’re not here for genuine conversation, that says more about your logic than mine. 😂
“Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.” John 10:17-18
In response to the 2nd part: "Where is your divine sacrifice" He's missing the whole point of the "sacrifice" part. Jesus humbled himself and put on human form. He has gone down the hierarchy; below God, below angels and became human, which is the lowest of the lows. Not only that, but he was then mocked, spat on, ridiculed, beaten/tortured and killed by HUMANS. The quaran says that Christian and Jews are the 'worst of creatures' which means that in Islam there is a hierarchy. Imagine a Muslim dying so they can save a Christian; a 'worst of creature' Instead, we have prophet Mohamed making all these new laws to benefit him; like causing the divorce of his adopted son, because he lusted over his wife and wanted to marry her, or the fact that you can beat your wife into submission so they will do anything you want. God sent his only son to us, he was perfect and never sinned. Yet he was killed and sacrificed for us humans.
Great video Tim! How can we answer the question of the Devine sacrifice? I think you cleared things up about the dying part, but I don’t think it clarified the DS part.
Thanks for all you do!
I think the significance of the sacrifice isn't that God's spirit died (it can't,) but that Jesus' divine nature gave his flesh the power to live in perfect accordance with the Law. So when he willingly died but did so without the curse of sin applying to Him, he became the divine sacrifice.
@@danmiller5869 Thank you. It can be tough to articulate what we believe sometimes
When Jesus cried out on the cross "Why have you forsaken me?" thats when he was dying the second death. He was facing Gods wrath, which seperated him from God in that moment. Then he died.
The physical death wasnt the sacrifice, it was the spiritual death that was the sacrifice.
All about the blood.
There's a simple counter: Jesus is both human and divine at the same time, so as he physically died, he did so as a divine being. In the same way that when I die my soul does not cease to exist, when Jesus died, his divinity did not cease to exist. If we accept humans as having multiple natures (body, soul, spirit) and we say that a person has died, while only referring to the body, then we can accept the same thing with Jesus in that he has multiple natures and can be said to have died as a divine sacrifice because he was still divine in nature as he died in body.
Thanks for this! 🙏🏾
Classic Muslim evangelical argument: talk over the head of your opponent, and call yourself right before you've fully proven yourself or even listened to your opponent
When are you going to start using your red pen again to draw? I miss your illustrations. This would have been a great topic to illustrate.
If God is Spirit and then manifests Himself, through the incarnation, and in the biological body of Jesus, when the biological body ceases to live, the Spirit of God remains intact.... always existing.
This is too easy.
I admire how elegant your response is. I wish the Christian guy in the video could watch your answer, go back in time and humble/educate the Muslim fella a little 😊
Yeah the answer to the Muslims question is relatively simple. "Die" does not mean "cease to exist" (as you said well). The Son did die. But never did He cease to be simultaneously Divine as well as Divinely one with the Father and Spirit. Thanks be to God for a salvation that is perfect, beautiful and infinite!
If human jesus dies then that means there is no divine sacrifice because gos Jesus siding die? This sounds weird actually. so god is not dying anyway and the concept of god dying is rediculous cause God does not die, it’s that simple
@@War-3764 Sorry, it's not the way you describe it, and it's not "that simple". The hypostatic union of two natures in Christ means that the second person of the Trinity is inseparably united with the human nature He took on in Christ. As I said, dying does not mean ceasing to exist. Hear the words of God incarnate; "Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves."
Wonderful to have this channel.
Did anyone notice that the Muslim guy kept interrupting him? I don't think he was baffled. He knows that the Muslim just wants to debate and he wants no part of it.
Excuses Excuses.
Pasta got smashed.
End of.
Post more videos please! You're a great teacher.
So what hes saying is that a game developer will die if he dies within his game?
He allowed the Muslim to set the terms of the debate instead of immediately breaking them. Muslims frequently call on material logic to defeat a supernatural concept. Science does it every day.
Sorry for my poor english if i make a mistake but there is even no need to talk about His dead to point the sacrifice. The God so humble and loving to share our humanity seems amazing enouth to me
1 |Jesus was born of a virgin birth.
2 |Jesus lived a sinless life.
3 |Jesus died for our sins.
4 |Jesus conquered death.
5 |Jesus came back 3 days after.
6 |Jesus will judge humanity.
Islam agrees with 1st and 6th wich are enough to prove he is the son of God, and he is God bcs only God can judge us.
the purpose of Islam is to deceive people, thats why they say '' There's no other God but Allah'' ... sadly Allah refers himself with ''We'' in the Quran. That's also how demons refere to themselves ''we are many for we are legion'' ...
How is it a “Gotcha!” Moment when he clearly just rushes the guy by barraging him with questions and then cutting him off when he tries to answer, and overloading him by confusing him on what to answer first? That seems childlike.
The resurrection debunks his debunk. If God truly died he wouldn’t be able to raise himself from death but because he did raise from the dead, logic dictates that only the human body died.
Jesus didn’t die in the atheistic sense that boom it’s out of existence. It’s ironic that it’s religious people who believe in heaven and hell making these arguments.
He didn't debunk jack!
The Trinity is 3 forms of God. Jesus was a sacrifice for us sinners. Yes he did die on the cross for our sins but apparently he forgot about the part where Jesus rose from the dead 3 days later and during those 3 days he was dead he saved more sinners in hell. Jesus is King!
@@nu_sunt_veste it's called the Bible kid!
@@nu_sunt_veste _Nah that's Modalism, Patrick!_
That's a false understanding of what Modalism is. Modalism is a single being that can change different modes with there not being any simultaneously occuring modes, never being more than one being. The Trinity is a Single being with three simultaneously existing Persons. No change of modes or different modes involved.
The Trinity is not "forms of God". They are three persons in one essence.
John 10:18 KJV
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
The ultimate authority of the universe humbled himself and suffered to save us and act as an example
Just bc you don't let people explain, and embarrass them doesn't mean you won
This is not a dialogue about religion, is a battle to win an enemy ! He is talking about nothing, because understand nothing about Trinity.
I feel like people forget that Jesus has two natures
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.”
1 John 5:7 KJV
Notice how he barely give the man time to explain his answer.
_Notice how he barely give the man time to explain his answer._
Yeah, all he had was a scripted line of what he thought were gotcha questions.
The man laughed because he can't explain it further because people who does not have the Holy Ghost can't perceive the Bible.
Muslims have a trinity too, allah, quran and black bean stone. Quran is eternal for them giving from angel Gabriel to Muhammad, the stone fell from the sky and was white, but them kissing it takes their sin and now is black and allah is Muhammad and pagen's eternal god.
Trinity debunked in 30 seconds? What a waste of 2000 years. (Sarcasm)
All heretics have the same thing in common, they all believe that they can place limits on God as to what He can and cannot do.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Death in the Bible also spiritually refers to separation from God (the father); which Christ did experience on the cross hence his “divine sacrifice”?
So the “Trinity” doctrine depends on what exactly it means to be “dead”. Of course you can’t define “dead” or “death” or “die” until you get a good definition of “define” and “definition”. And “means”, and “equivocation”. And if you run around this tree long enough, you will turn into butter. This is the “foundation” of “Apologetics”.
There's one more thing. The sacrifice required a perfect man (sinless) to redeem humanity. The thing is that only God is perfect (sinless) and no other human could do that. So God (Jesus) had to become human (a second nature) to be sinless and be the perfect sacrifice.
Death isnt a problem for Jesus because he's stronger than death itself
The truth is very simple man
Can you make it easy since most of us don't have a phd in metaphysics and theology? I don't blame you though, it seems that it took people nearly 5 centuries to even define this hypostatic union. Unfortunately, I don't have that long to wrap my head around this. Also, I wonder what happens to the people who died before the Council of Chalcedon (451 AD), which defined the hypostatic union of Christ's divine and human natures.
If he wants to go that route, then he needs to realize that Jesus’ mortal body WAS the sacrifice! The spotless lamb! Pure and sinless. Our King rose from the grave and DEFEATED DEATH!
I’m thankful for these videos, because they faithfully address objections using sound logic and the Word of God in a way that is easily understood.