Fully God. Fully man. Well-meaning Christians further get this wrong with using language of God the Father "turning His face away from / separating Himself from" Christ on the cross. If Christ were fully separated from the Trinity, He'd no longer be God, or there would've been two separate Gods at the same time... and the Trinity would only have 2 members at that point in history. The veiled eyesight is a solid analogy. All ability and identity remains even while momentarily, intentionally setting that ability aside.
The video just explained he chose himself to be less than god. But you still claim fully god, fully man. And when jesus is in heaven (as in now), doesn't he have a separate existence from the father? Does he not sit on a different throne or on the right hand of the father, thus implying separate existence? Is jesus a spirit in heaven or is he still in flesh?
@@MK-lh3xd - Good questions! He didn't "choose Himself to be less than God." He put aside the fullness of His abilities while retaining His divine nature ("Godness" for lack of a better term). The video explains that. You can't "choose" to be less than God unless you have the option to "choose" to be on the same level with God -- which is something only God could decide to do. The heavenly throne language in the Bible isn't meant as a literal, physical throne, but spiritual (heaven is a spiritual realm) -- it signifies His Kingship over creation. The Trinity itself is an idea we can't fully grasp because God is unlike any physical being we've ever encountered -- which makes sense if He made this entire universe. The nature of Jesus's existence is similarly beyond our immediate understanding if we're trying to compare it to mere physical creatures. "Is Jesus a spirit in heaven or is he still in flesh?" Yep. The Bible says He ascended into heaven in His body, which would mean He still has possession of the same resurrected body that He had on Earth. But it also clearly states He is spiritually unlimited since the resurrection, meaning He isn't confined to only existing in that body.
@@thinkingtoinfinity ok. Nature of god is beyond our understanding. But each religion claims they know their god is the true one, and the gods of other religions are false. What gives that confidence if one is not able to comprehend the nature of god, and is not even able to be sure how many forms a god takes, or if he can take another form, why he wouldn't have taken other forms in other times and places? Or even that there may be several gods that we cannot comprehend? Why can't there be many gods who either don't care about each other or that they collaborate with each other or fight with each other over a universe? A lot of beliefs about god or gods appear to be a combination of wishful thinking, fear, tribalism, word salads to obfuscate and modeled loosely on powerful, angry and occasionally merciful ancient tribal warlords. I don't mean to offend, but if we don't understand something, it is better to say we don't know, and that we could be wrong about what we know, than to commit our lives strongly to it.
@@MK-lh3xd - Thanks for the reply! I'm not offended, and greatly appreciate the conversation. Yes, religions all make competing claims, and most of them imply severe consequences if they're right and we don't acknowledge them. And I completely agree that, from an outsider/atheist perspective they all seem like control tactics or enduring legends. That's why I felt it was worth investigating the claims of different worldviews (including atheism) in my younger years when I was an agnostic. I found that most religions are almost intentionally absurd myths (i.e. the Earth was formed by a peacock hurling an egg into the sun) which can be easily ruled out. Atheism didn't explain anything beyond physical material, though information transfer, logic, consciousness (supported by NDE evidence) etc., are not physical things. For me, authentic Christianity (not the popularized T.V. version) was the worldview that best explained the world we live in, how humans behave, etc. I think it's better to sincerely examine the evidence rather than just shrug it off and say we can't know. There's too much at stake. If a Being truly existed prior to the creation of our universe and that Being, in fact, created this universe -- that checks out with how science can't explain physics requiring cause and effect, yet our universe clearly shows signs of a beginning without a physical cause. If that Creator revealed things about Himself, we could expect much to align with our reality, while also often defying our understanding. If that Creator had no intention of us understanding It, then anything goes (your examples of multiple gods, multiple forms of god, etc.). However, if that Creator did want us to have some knowledge of Him, I think the explanation Christianity provides makes the most sense of all alternatives.
@@MK-lh3xdyou're exactly right. They do all claim that. However, there is a lot of archeological evidence for the Bible, alot of biblical and secular evidence for the Bible and for Christ for that matter, and numberous prophecies fulfilled that are written on copies of the Bible that pre date the events they predict.
Jesus, GOD in the Flesh, gave us the example of how to live as a human. He said He could do nothing but what The Father let Him and speak only what The Father told Him. So yes, he was limited in his personhood, but still GOD in the Flesh. He had to eat and drink, as humans do. He performed countless miracles, that we can perform if we follow The LORD and live by the example Christ set. He defeated any attempts at temptation by Satan by quoting The Bible. In his humanity, he was reluctant to die a painful death on the cross, and asked The Father to take this cup from him, if there was another way; but HIS will be done, the Will of GOD, not the will of the flesh.
Actually it was the Father working in him performing the miracles. He was in the Father and the Father was in him. Given the Holy Spirit without measure, he did not do miracles by his own power. Amen?
Guys, Here is The Savior HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH” YaH is The Heavenly Father YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins YaH was Crucified on an Almond TREE - Ancient Semitic Cuneiform of Moshe (Moses) - Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah) Isaiah 42:8 "I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.” Isaiah 43:11 “I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.” Isaiah 45:5 “I am YaH, and there is none else.”
@@antichrist_revealed We read in Mal.3:1: “Behold, I will send MY MESSENGER, and he shall prepare the way BEFORE ME: and THE LORD, WHOM YOU SEEK, SHALL SUDDENLY COME TO ***HIS*** TEMPLE, even the MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.” Lets break this down and make it perfectly clear...... "Behold I *_(God)_* will send my messenger (??????) and he shall prepare the way before me *_(God)_* : Who was sending the messenger?...... It was *_God_* The messenger was to prepare the way for who? .......for *_God_* So *_God_* ...... sent (somebody) to prepare the way for *_God .... HIMSELF..._* and the Lord *_(God)_* , whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his *_(God's)_* temple, even the messenger of the covenant *_( the law of Moses)_* , whom you delight in: behold, he *_(God)_* shall come, saith the Lord *_(God)_* of hosts. In the passage above Malachi speaks of a messenger one that will prepare the way for the Lord, this is none other than John the Baptizer who is foretold in Isa.40:3-4. He is....... “The voice crying out in the wilderness: prepare the way of the *_Lord_* ; make straight in the desert a highway for *_OUR GOD_* .” Mt. 11:10 quotes this as a confirmation of John the Baptizer as the one who will introduce the *_LORD_* and *_OUR GOD_* . “For this is he of whom it is written: 'Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, who will prepare Your way before You.' So..... Who was the one that came after John the Baptizer? It was JESUS. But wait....According to Malachi the one that comes after John the Baptizer is the same one that made the covenant with Moses.... How can this be? Was it not God that made the covenant with Moses? Yes it was.....But it was Jesus that came after John the Baptizer and not God?.... Could Malachi be wrong? ....Or is it simply that God himself did actually come to the earth and visit his temple as Jesus right after John the Baptizer did. Exactly as Malachi said he would... Notice that Malachi tells us that the Lord himself, the one who made the covenant with Israel in the Old Testament will come to visit his temple personally and they will "BEHOLD" him *_(they would see him)_* ..... They would see who? They would see the one that made covenant with Israel. *>>>> "GOD"
Guys, Here is The Savior HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH” YaH is The Heavenly Father YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins YaH was Crucified on an Almond TREE - Ancient Semitic Cuneiform of Moshe (Moses) - Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah) Isaiah 42:8 "I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.” Isaiah 43:11 “I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.” Isaiah 45:5 “I am YaH, and there is none else.”
Jesus was fully God and fully man. He was meant to be more than just God to us, but what is possible with our humanity. What if instead of him being all-knowing, he limited himself to what his human nature would know and allowed himself to be completely led by the Spirit at all times? That would explain why he can know how many husbands the woman at the well had, but yet be taken off guard when the woman with the issue of blood touched his robes. He was a man so in tune with the Holy Spirit and that's what allowed him to do the things he did as a man. Keep in mind, I'm not denying the deity of Christ at all, he is God. But I think back to the scripture in Phillipians that says "Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to". This is the one that, I believe, showcases this better than any other.
Another point I can try making: not knowing something doesn't mean ignorance. As in Jesus chooses himself not to know what the Hour is. Not because He is ignorant of it, but more because He chooses not to divulge it, or sum.
@@James_Bee He didn't k now because emptied himself of those miraculous attributes when he became a man. But he always kept the same identity as the Word of God, the Logos of John 1.
Guys, Here is The Savior HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH” YaH is The Heavenly Father YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins YaH was Crucified on an Almond TREE - Ancient Semitic Cuneiform of Moshe (Moses) - Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah) Isaiah 42:8 "I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.” Isaiah 43:11 “I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.” Isaiah 45:5 “I am YaH, and there is none else.”
In the beginning of this video (with the Muslin and that man) it takes place at Balboa Park in San Diego. Those Muslims have a booth just about everyday and it's in a courtyard where the museums are. I don't want to be "off-topic" from the main point of Stand To Reason, but the courtyard and the museums at Balboa Park is nice and quaint but unfortunately it's been ruined by all kinds of religious booths, merchants, and exhibitionists. It's turned into a tacky carnival, especially on the weekends, and it's not meant to be like that. There was a crackdown, one time, and it was nice when it was all gone, but it's back again. I'd like to see all of it disappear. By the way, I've always loved Stand To Reason. It's very educational. Keep up doing the great work you do.
God shouldn't have ANY limitations whatsoever, if He's truly Omnipotent then He should carry His power into physical world, failure to do so means God is bound by His creation which disproves His Omnipotence verbatim
@@PaperBagGambles Why SHOULD God limit Himself in physical world? At least he should carry SOME of His Omnipotence, maybe demonstrate Omniscience to convince people He's actually God
100% God, 100% Human. Isaiah 29:16. Did he not enact miracles through God, who is also himself? Did he not survive 40 days in the desert without eating? No human can do that. @@mr.knightthedetective7435
I think my response was deleted and I'm not sure what triggered that. God was able to survive in the desert for 40 days without eating! (He also limited himself for the sake of principle, to live as a human)@@mr.knightthedetective7435
I used to think that the answer to Mark 13:32 was the incarnation, but not anymore (at least not as a primary answer). It has nothing to do with the incarnation. The word "know" is being used in the sense of "make known" or "declare," such as making a declaration or announcement. In ancient Jewish weddings only the father had the right to declare that date and hour of the ceremony. It's even possible that "no one knows the date or the hour" was a first century figure of speech since the Sanhedrin only had the authority to declare when a new month started in the Jewish calendar. So Jesus could have been referring to Rosh Hashanah (Feast of Trumpets).
I recently stumbled upon the importance of the bridegroom's father in Jewish wedding ceremonies, and I definitely think what Christ said here was in some way related to that. But as the NET Bible notes mention, Luke 2:52 says that Jesus *grew* in wisdom. This indicates that He gained, meaning He was at a "lower" point of wisdom, A, and moved toward a "higher" point of wisdom, B. With this in mind, the self-veiling with the incarnation still makes the most sense to explain both of these passages.
@@TommyCupcakes That verse refers to Mary watching Jesus grow up as a child, and basically doing as children do, they get smarter by the day. The full verse for context should always be applied as to not confuse anyone. "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." Meaning that his reputation was growing amongst people favorably, as well as his connection with God, His wisdom and acquired knowledge both spiritually concerning scripture was growing as well as his applicable knowledge with the world. And his physical growth from child to man was taking place as well. And Mary was the witness to it. Basically accounting for all the things a mother takes notice of with their Child's development. Which was her role as the proxy mother for God's son.
Phillipians 2:5-10 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
@@jimjuri6490 you seriously don't get this, huh? No one verse or chapter or book can stand alone. The rest of the Bible supports itself. If you truly read the Bible and knew it, then you wouldn't telling me this.
@@Izzy07734 : How about 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12. Written by someone who SAW Jesus as did many others. Not only SAW Jesus. John was Jesus' most trusted Apostle.
@@jimjuri6490 Again, remember what I told you the first time. One scripture cannot stand alone. We know that Moses and Jacob have seen God and lived. They even say "I've seen God and lived." So, therefore, you're interpretation of that scripture does not match with what that chapter is talking about. Jesus said in John 14:9 "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?"
@@Izzy07734 : Any single scripture should harmonize with the rest of the scriptures. How can any verse contradict TRUTH? What people saw were ANGELS. NEVER God. If God comes close to this earth, we won't be having this conversation. Here is an example. Exodus 20:1 Then God spoke all these words: 2 “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. Was this God himself speaking? Note the pronouns I and ME. Stephen speaking: Acts 7:53 you who received the Law as TRANSMITTED BY ANGELS but have not kept it.” Here is what God told Moses THROUGH an angel. (Exodus 33:20) But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.” Did Moses argue and say, "But Jacob saw you and he lived!" Some people think God is some kind of toy that can be changed into whatever shape they like and manhandled at will. The Creator of this Universe can NEVER be seen by humans. It will be like humans trying to take residence in the sun. Far worse.
In the gospel of John, when talking about Yeshua it states "The same (Yeshua) was in the beginning with God, and nothing came into being that exists without him." This means He created us. So from our perspective as He is the creator, He is God. He may not be on the same level as God The Father, but from our perspective as the creation... He is God. Additionally He received worship. The man born blind worshiped Him, The rocks and stones would have worshiped Him if humanity did not.. Each person in the bible who was worshiped and did not deserve it quickly gave the glory to God, and stopped the worshiper from continuing.... Yeshua did not. Psalms says "Thy Throne Oh God is forever and ever", in the book of Revelation the 24 elders, the 4 living beings, and hundreds of thousands of angels worshiped He who sat on the throne AND THE LAMB.... So yes.. He is God. He may be 'A God' but from our perspective He is God.
@@jomess7879 That is assuming there actually IS a Trinity.. nothing in the bible says Trinity.. it is currently a 'Christian' Construct.. It may be true.. then again it may not. You will never know until you meet Him face to face and ask. The fact is VERY clear the bible says both. and if you disagree you are not only fooling yourself (and those that hear you), but you are a racist homophobe as well....🤪😜😝
I think our understanding of "omniscience" is very shallow as well. Did God "know" what it feels like to get a splinter? Not until Jesus got one as a kid (assuming here). Omniscience is probably closer to knowing all possible outcomes in all possible realities, but not the same as experience. Jesus had to "learn" things. Luke says he "grew" in wisdom. If God IS wisdom how can he grow? The reality is that the Godhead is so much deeper with more dimensions than we can possibly imagine, and the transcendent mixing with the earthly will also cause confusion for pure left-brain people.
That doesn't mean Jesus is God. Read the context. He is saying that He and the Father agree that the children the Father has given him no one can take out of His hands or his Father's hand. You must understand the letters in the verses in the kjv bible have to be converted into numbers A=1---Z=26. The letters are the Son and the bread aka the flesh and the numbers behind the letters is the Father Jehovah and the blood. This is how they are one, but two different beings. The Word is simple math problems. People have been taught a false gospel for over 1000 years. People are so blind and deceived.
My gosh, semantics semantics semantics. Whether Jesus was God himself, or a wonderful person that God chose to possess as many are possessed by demons today, does it really matter? Look at the messages He spreads, look at the perfection of His actions, look at the sacrifice He made for us all. Arguing such a trivial detail is childish. He will forever be the human that was closest to God during His life and the shepherd and savior to us all. That is what truly matters.
If Jesus isn't God, then He's also not the Savior. God's holiness and justice demands a perfect sacrifice to atone for the offense of our sins. Since we have offended an infinite, perfect God, the only sacrifice that satisfies God's justice is an infinite, perfect sacrifice. Only Jesus as the God-man could possibly fulfill that demand. If Jesus isn't God, there is no gospel.
@@sggames4787 But Jesus and God are 2 separate entities aren't they? God being the Almighty, formless creator and master of all things. And Jesus being the human born of half humanity and half the Holy Spirit (or God). Which is what I meant by Him being the closest thing to perfection that will ever exist in the form of a human. He stands above us all as our savior and shepherd, stands above even the angels, but is still is a separate entity to God. I don't mean this to undermine His power and authority, of which they are unmatched to all but God Himself.
@@VoiceOvaGuy That's not what the Bible or orthodox Christian theology teaches. Jesus is Himself God of very God, coequal with the Father in power, glory, majesty, and eternality. The second person of the Godhead took on perfect and complete humanity without divesting Himself of any of His divinity. John 1:1-18, Hebrews 1:1-3, and many other passages clearly teach that Jesus is equal with God.
Guys!! Listen to me!! Jesus is just telling us He hasn't decided yet.. that's what He means by Father. It's like saying to yourself " I don't know what I'm going to eat for dinner tonight" and then bam the thought pops into your head PIZZA!! That's God revealing that in your mind folks, which you are one with. Jesus is simply stating that the spirit of His mind Aka The Father has not decided yet or revealed to Him the desire to yet return. Amen
This makes a lot of sense when it is used to explain all the other incommunicable attributes like Glory, Omnipotence and Omnipresence. We see the unveiling of Glory at the Mount of Transfiguration. We see the unveiling of Omnipotence to withstand the wrath of God on the cross for sinners. We see the omnipresence when He says he’ll never leave us or forsake us. In his “day to day,” those incommunicable attributes were his, but were not on display. They were not something he grasped.
I believe that He knows but it is not for Him to declare it. (Matt 24:42-44, Acts 1:7, Deut 29:29) He gave details of the events that would occur before that time and used parables to describe what would happen during the time (Matt 24-25). It would be strange for someone to describe what takes place in the event but not know when it would happen.
I always say to all Muslims saying God can't be 3in1, who are you to limited God's power? God is all-powerful and all-knowing and if God wants to be 3in1 HE CAN. End of story.
He veiled what he as God knew while in Human flesh for the purpose of the mission. I need to go find the verse but... It appears after his resurrection he did know and all that was veiled was restored. So we have to remember that too.
This maybe what is needed. In prayer to his God Jehovah, Jesus said: John 17:4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was. Jesus prays to God to restore the position which Jesus had in heaven before God sent him to become a man. God not only restored what Jesus had, but even gives Jesus a higher name than he had earlier. Read Philippians 2:9.
I think sometimes we go too far in trying to define what makes God, God. There are certain divine attributes that scripture is clear on; however, there are also some other attributes that I believe might actually just belong to a certain part of the Godhead. The opening words in Genesis I believe is meant to communicate some of those fundamental aspects of His divine nature. God is eternal in a way that nothing else that is not God is. Everything that is not God, depends on God for its existence. Without Him nothing else exists. Passages like John 1 connect Jesus to this same divine nature showing that He is God just as His Father is God. Now there is an important clarification that needs to be made concerning this ‘eternal’ nature of God. Many English translations of scripture use the same word to describe the gift of ‘eternal life’ that God offers us. So does that mean that God is offering to elevate us to become Gods? Certainly not, in fact the word eternal here isn’t really the best translation. I prefer translating these passages as ‘everlasting life’ although that too isn’t a perfect translation. The point is, God offers to give us a kind of life that is free of death and that will never end; however, He is not offering to make us eternal as He is eternal having neither beginning or end. Our lives will always have a beginning and we will never be ‘alpha and omega’. Nothing and no one could ever become God because by definition to be God is to have always been God in a unique eternal sense. Therefore, everything belongs in one of two categories. Category 1 is the eternally existing God and category 2 is everything else that God brings into existence which we call creation. This establishes Gods authority over all else that exists meaning that God has power over all creation. This is what we mean when we say that God is all powerful or omnipotent. Without spending too much time on it, we also see an emphasis on His unique goodness (Mark 10:18). So some of Gods divine attributes include His eternal nature, His authority over creation or omnipotence and lastly His goodness. Scripture affirms all of these attributes in Jesus, establishing Him as one and the same with God. However, there are a few other attributes that we have ascribed to God that are not explicitly ascribed to Jesus. For example, take omnipresence or the quality of existing everywhere at once. Now there are certain passages that people have pulled this idea about God from such as Psalms 139:7-12; however, does that mean that this is a fundamental characteristic of God or simply that it is a characteristic that exists within the Godhead? If we go back to the original qualities that have been established I think we will find an answer. Space itself (not just ‘outer space’ but the attribute of possessing spatial properties) is something that I believe fits into category 2 as a part of creation not in category 1 as part of God’s eternally existing nature. Now if space itself is not an eternally existing thing then a spatial quality such as having a specific location within space or even being located everywhere in space can also not be an eternally existing quality. Now I want to describe a way that I have found to think about the Trinity that helps me make sense of it; however, I need to first point out that this should not be considered in anyway authoritative and there are almost certainly some holes in my thinking as I believe the fullness of God’s nature is beyond human comprehension. That being said, I have found that it makes the most sense to think of only the Holy Spirit as possessing this attribute of omnipresence. That is not because the Father or Son lack the power to be omnipresent but because they have a reason for taking on a different kind of spacial property. The Son has taken on the ability to exist in a specific place and time to completely share with us this part of our human nature. On the other hand, the Father is often described as being ‘enthroned above’ in a way that makes me think of Him as existing completely outside of space and time. Now this brings us to another quality that is ascribed to God which is omniscience. Now this seems like it should be a fundamental characteristic of God, how can there be anything that God does not know about? Now if all of existence depends on Gods for its existence then of course God must know about all of it. However, the nature of this question assumes a temporal understanding of knowledge. That is to say, the question can be reworded to take different temporal considerations. How can there be anything God does not know about now? Or, how can there be anything God does not know about ever? There are subtle yet important differences between these ways of interpreting that question. If God choses to exist outside of time then his knowledge exists outside of time as well. This is how I believe we can reconcile the notion of the Fathers foreknowledge and human free will. How can God know what choices we are going to make if our choices are not already determined? Because his knowledge about these things exists outside of time. From his perspective, he is not looking into the future to see what we will choose. He sees what we will choose because he sees all of it, all of space and time at once. Now then, if a member of the Godhead chose to exist in time and His knowledge existed in time then it is possible that He might not have knowledge about all times. Perhaps this is the case with Jesus and it is why He had to depend the Spirits revolution and trust in the Fathers Will. Of course this is not because He does not have the power to access this knowledge, but because He has chosen to share in human limitations for a purpose.
I might be wrong on this but correct me please. In 1 Corinthians 2:2 Paul said For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. Paul used the same word “know” means declare. For the second coming of Jesus will be like a wedding, so The Father announces the wedding not The Son. In Jewish wedding the father declares the wedding but the son knows when is the wedding. So this means Jesus knows the hour but The Father will declare it.
Respectfully, this explanation is incorrect. If Jesus not knowing the hour is due to his incarnation, then that doesn’t explain how the Holy Spirit also doesn’t know since the Holy Spirit never incarnated. The verse says that “only The Father” knows, which must mean that the Holy Spirit *also* does not know, but the Holy Spirit never incarnated. So what is the answer to this question? When Jesus says that only his Father knows, he is speaking in the form of a parable: it's a reference to the saying that's been associated with ancient, Jewish wedding customs--that only the bridegroom's father knows when the wedding will occur.
It's difficult to prove any of these claims either way, you either put your trust in the bible (which my understanding is that historians only believe a small portion is likely the accurate word of Jesus) or you put your trust in the Quran. If you generally believe in both, then the Quran takes precedent because it came second, and is supposed to be the direct word of God, not just stories told by other people. The question is, is there any reason to believe the Quran is true and not a lie? You can analyse the life of the prophet Muhammad, and decided whether he was crazy, a liar or a truthful person, based on the vast majority of his actions. The other side is looking at the Quran and its historical and scientific accuracies that couldn't have been known by Muhammad. But how do you square that with the bible? Muslims believe the words of Jesus were corrupted, intentionally and/or unintentionally, and he didn't say everything the bible says he said. So if they're right, surely there would be contradictions within the bible and between the new and old testaments right? Well arguably there are, because the bible says in more than 20 places that God is only 1, and yet this idea of the trinity somehow appeared, and it seems to fly in the face of that. Christians insist that God is 3 and 1 at exactly the same time, which seems illogical, but ok, maybe the complexity of God is too great for us to understand? But why is there such an emphasis on the oneness of God then? The trinity is not explained well, not detailed properly in scripture, is basically only briefly hinted at here or there, and is mainly the work of scholars and their readings. It is not sufficient to discount the highly emphasised oneness of God that scripture places. The trinity needs to be more explicitly detailed, or else the best explanation for its limited evidence's existence, is that chinese-whispers have corrupted the teachings of Jesus, rather than God is in fact 3 and also 1 simultaneously. The question is, in which way is God 1, if the trinity is real? Other than you just insisting that God is 1 with you words, in which other way, which attributes of God make him 1 if the trinity is real?
When God came as Jesus, He came to live as a man. As a man, we should expect Him to not know everything, pray to God the Father, suffer, etc. It isn't that difficult.
I want to add Christ constantly compares the second coming to a jewish wedding and to my knowledge the bride and groom didnt plan the date the grooms father was the one who announced the date and time even if the groom did know when it was going to be.
@Mike65809 thats not lying I told you the custom that stems from not that thats what's happening here literally I feel bad cause I can't remember but he's not using literal language here but I can't remember what type of language it's called but one thing I can assure you you will not find a lie in here coming out of Jesus's mouth.
@@marissajones1840 Of course he never lied. So we conclude that, just as he had to grow in wisdom as a child, he didn't know everything. He didn't pretend to be a baby, he was a baby. But he was always God in his identity as the Logos, the word made flesh. But he only did miracles by the Spirit working through him. Amen?
Some observations: - Philippians 2 is assumed to be about a pre-existent divine person without any justification. - How come only the Father knows and not the Spirit? The Spirit didn't take on human limitations! - It's assumed that God can self limit. Is such a thing logically possible for God?
@@Mike65809 The context would have us believe that Paul is speaking about Jesus Christ. Philippians 2:5 - Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus The question we then must ask is, when did Jesus become the Christ, when did this happen?
@Mike65809 I don't agree that it's about a pre-existant person. That idea is assumed. If one looks at who Paul is talking about, then it's clear from verse 5 that it's about Jesus Christ. As I mentioned, when did Jesus become the Christ? It most certainly wasn't before His birth, hence, the context isn't about a pre-existent person but about the human Jesus who was anointed. Acts 2:36 - Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified When was Jesus made the Christ?
@@coreyevans9543 Okay, so when was he in the form of God? As you know John 1:1 says the Word was God and then was made flesh. So he kept the same spiritual identity as the Word into his incarnation. So Paul refers to Jesus Christ even though he wasn't known by that name prior to his Incarnation. That's okay since his spiritual identity was always the same the whole time. Plus, this context makes it clear (at least to me) that in showing his steps of humbling, he started off in the form of God, humbled himself to take the form of a servant and be made a man, then humbled himself to the point of death on the cross. Otherwise, he would have been in in the form of God when on earth ,prior to his baptism. And even at his birth he is called Jesus Christ, even though he was anointed by the Holy Spirit at his baptism. And as far as I know the word "Christ", is equivalent to messiah to the Jews.
Is their anything we can learn from the parable of the faithful and the wicked servant about the hour and day ? It seems like there's more than a single day and single hour, or am I way off ? (Please excuse me for not knowing a lot)
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I point out to these Muslims Hebrews 10:17 " and their sins and iniquities will I remember NO MORE." that our God can forgive sins and remember them no more while Allah can't according to their attack on Jesus. The Father can veil knowledge of my sin and still be all-knowing then so can the Son veil knowledge. Amen There are different level of "knowing" in scripture as something that has been revealed. Genesis 22:12 and he said Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: For NOW I KNOW that thou fearest God, see thou has not withheld thy son, thine only son from ME."
In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” Jesus is not god. But he is the messenger who was sent. Maybe I don't have to teach you what "only true god" means
@@abdullaharify1783 Jesus only spoke those words because people were not ready, and still aren't ready, to accept that he is God. The same thing happened when a man came up and told Jesus he was a good teacher to which Jesus responded "No one is good but God" which he did to allude to the fact he himself is God because if he said it directly, people wouldn't believe like you don't today.
@@Alt_117 So in order to tell us that he is god, he stated the complete opposite, died (showed weakness), brought testaments from god instead of saying words of his own and chose to come to only one group of people instead of going and preaching to the whole world? Why would he only go to people of Israel and not our ancestors?? Don't we deserve god? See; your claims are pointless
@@abdullaharify1783 No, YOUR claims are pointless. He is God in human form. Humans die. The only thing that sets him apart from all of us was that he lived a sinless life so that he could die on the cross having bore our sins so that when we trust and believe in him (and repent habitually) we shall be saved. Your claim of him not preaching to the world is severely false. Jesus spoke to his disciples and told them to write parts of the bible. The bible in question is globally accessible on top of the missionaries travelling to spread the word of the one true God (The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit: 3 persons, 1 being). He also did talk to our ancestors (Adam and Eve) but from them on, humans have all rebelled heavily against God just as you and I did. I tried to debate with you in peace like my God Jesus taught and you turn around with hatred, seems kind of strange doesn't it?
@@abdullaharify1783 And when you said "don't we deserve God" that is not at all true. No one deserves God for we have all sinned against him. It is only out of his unconditional mercy and love we can be forgiven through Christ. Without Christ there is no salvation.
Think of it this way. When a king wants to test the quality of a merchant's goods and the price that he sells them for. He disguises himself as a mere peasant or a farmer. He doesn't come as a king. So if Jesus came as God to earth, everyone would accept him out of fear and not out of willingness. Which is why he came as a man. God has given us "Free Will" so we can choose to accept him. After all we aren't puppets being controlled.
Agreed! Jesus taken on the form of man, to live as a man, was required to have the same limitations as men. If he hadn’t become a limited human being, there would be no actual suffering on the cross. If Jesus didn’t put aside his divinity as a man he could have with one word destroyed anything and anyone standing in his way. But he chose to put aside his divine nature. Then and only then could he be the sacrifice, that we needed.
Except, "although being in the form of God he did not consider himself equal to God ...", supports the very premise you are arguing against. Even the Muslims who don't have the Christ can understand what those words mean. He is not equal to the Father, the Father is greater than he is, the Father kept from knowing the hour that he himself would have to return to the world.
Simple answer, look what scripture prefered to....Son of Man, it means the word of God, took a mortal flesh, become limited. He is a perfect model to teach us to be humble person, not like a ego person after him like Marcion, Montanism, Mani, and that arabian person
Thank you for that. I will try to remember it should I ever be questioned by a man who believes that deflowering a nine year old is the example of a top notch human male. 😏
OK can someone please help me with this question because i 100% believe in Jesus and his father but what stumps me is that is it right to call his father God because he is the most high and all the rest are just fragments of him and yet the bible states Satan is the prince of this realm and God of this world so it seems to me that by saying God bless your are praying to Satan and i do know his birth name which is a sin to even say so please this confuses me because the original bible was perfect but now it has been cut down to 66 books with 6 sides to a book.I guess i am over thinking because no one gets to the father unless he goes through the son first so all glory to our Lord Jesus Christ who has shared with me so much hidden history before i fell and his father is the most high just hope someone would share their thoughts on this.Thanks for your video friend.
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Jesus answered the question; Matthew 24:36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. If you look you understand he said “no man” Jesus is and was and is to come God. If you go to 2nd Thes 1 - 4 the scripture explains when he will return for his bride. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 KJV Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
john 17 10-11 show that Christ and the apostles are one just as Christ and God the father are one in purpose as God. The man made Trinity is why people are confused.
I appreciate the illustration of a veil over the eyes does mean your eyes are not fully functional eyes. As for the trinity existing coequally, I think of water - it exists in solid, liquid, and gaseous forms. Each appears and feels different, one interacts with each differently.. But water never stops being H2O in each of its different forms.
Jesus was human went He said he didn’t know the hour of His return. He had humbled Himself to become human to die for our sins and was not fully connected to the Godhead as the Trinity. Once He ascended to heaven to be back with the Father and Holy Ghost, He knew, as did They.
its way more simple. God the Father actively decides the "when". therefore only He knows that. there is no future when you have to account for free will. Jesus is no less God for not knowing the "when" than the Father for not being the one Crucified.
Jesus was given a mortal body, but did not sin, only sinners are destined to die, because he was without sin, it took the level of brutality he suffered to bring him to that point of death. Jesus is meant to as you said, live a life amongst the humans in order to be relational to all mankind, lest mankind have the excuse. "Well God doesn't know! How could he judge us when he was never in our position to live through these trials and temptations." But Jesus came to fulfill that. If Jesus wasn't God, then this excuse would still hold up. But because he both is God, and fulfilled living a sinless life despite all the temptations, even the torture of brutality while found guilty for doing nothing wrong. And could have saved himself from the torment by calling upon a leagues of angels. He chose not to run away from it, to fulfill the higher purpose, that only a deity could fulfill. A sacrifice that any of us would have been too weak and saved ourselves from just to get the torment to stop. And through it, he took on the sins of all mankind. After walking and living a life on earth and experiencing all the same things humans had to endure. Both the good times he had traveling with friends, meeting people, providing them with hope and knowledge. And the bad when he was mocked, attempted to be tricked into a crime by not paying taxes, chased for his life before his appointed time of death, and so on... As for why he does not know the date, nor the time, nor the hour. It is the same with the example of living a life as a mortal, but Jesus was required to do so in all things as an example and a testament to us on how we should behave. There are times in life where we as Christians need to wait on the Lord. Wait for his answer. And wait for his timing. It is as you said, it is a restriction of sorts, but I believe the part you could have refined with this video is the "why?" behind it. Which is again, to fulfill that example for us. Which Jesus even now has accomplished. Which he said, he does not know that day nor time nor the hour. But he will be waiting at the ready by his fathers side, waiting for the command. It is the final piece of active obedience exemplified in the Bible. Which God says he requires more than sacrifice. Which goes hand in hand and speaks volumes considering Jesus's sacrifice and how it worked in tandem as obedience with God's will. Despite Jesus praying for if there were to be any other way, for the cup to be taken from him. It's a true miracle that Jesus went through all he went through. That a deity walked among men and made a sacrifice for all men and yet is disregarded so flimsily. With many not giving any true thought or care into the purpose of their existence and how valuable it all means. Your life was worthy enough for a God to lay down his own for you, For a God to sacrifice his only son for you, and whether or not you speak towards such an act with gratitude or with contempt, will speak volumes for your character, and what kind of person you really are.
Is God who he is only because of his attributes of God? Doesn't his identity also make him God? Can't we say for sure that Jesus was God because he was the Word (logos) made flesh, and never lost his spiritual identity as God? So he was indeed God, but had emptied himself to become a man. His attributes were not veiled, he didn't have them. Veiled would me man can't see them, but emptied of them would mean he longer has them. If they were just veiled, he could have tapped into them and found out his hour of return and simply told his disciples. Now in the glory he "had before world began" (Jn. 17), he has them all back again.
In the Divine Nature, he knows all things and is omnipresent, in the human nature, he did not, and was only in one place. Basically one person with two natures and wills. That’s orthodox Christianity.
Jesus was God deliberately lowering himself in power. Jesus was God stripping himself of power, that was the whole point. Jesus brought himself low to the power of a mortal man, for the sole reason so Humanity could connect with God himself better, so we can actually relate to God, and feel for him. This is what Jews and Muslims dont understand nor appreciate about Christ, God becoming Man mortally, on purpose. It is not weakness, it was strength to show God's might to deny and defeat all evil as a mortal man. And when he died, he fared through the underworld hell, for 3 days that felt like an eternity, and conquered death and evil. He paid our price not just through crucifixion, but through his venture thru hell. Jesus suffered for sins he didn't even commit, that is the ultimate suffering hell, hell enjoyed hurting God himself, but even they could not keep him there. God can strip himself of his omnipotence and get it back just like that. *snaps* He defies all human logic, and he should. He knows better than us.
That was exactly what I was thinking, Jesus didn't know *while He was human*, but almost certainly knew when He was restored to His rightful place. I think people have trouble understanding just how limiting the human mind is on the spirit God gives us. It's probably akin to fitting 10lbs of stuff in a 5lb sack.
Jesus had the spirit of God in him. Had God told Jesus he would have known. But God did not tell him, which shows Jesus is not all knowing nor is he God.
According to Farrooq GOD must know everything. Mohammed's god (that is allah) tells us in the quran that the sun sets in a muddy pool which we all know is not the case. So Mohammed's god did not know everything which means he cannot be GOD. Wonder why Farooq still follows this allah.
As progressivist muslim here (muslim clearly will call me kafir) i have to say it's not the Allah that doesn't know... it's the Prophet whose didn't know. Honestly sometimes i thought Muhammad is better to be philosopher instead of self claimed prophet. Gotta be honest the concept of Islam is actually near perfect for theists if only it was not cultized by Muhammad, let people think... don't limit them, life isn't about freezing.
maybe I'm not a muslim anymore.. but i still believe in Allah, just Allah. Yes i still practicing islamic teaching, but god knows better what is in my mind and heart.
Muslims don't believe that Jesus was anything other than a good man and a prophet. So, from their point of view, Jesus couldn't be equal to Allah. You hit the nail on the head. Certain attributes of Jesus had to be muted for him to experience being human. The fallacy of Jese not being God is just more semantics. We could ask how it is that Islam tells us to believe the words of "Those of the Book". Yet, they deny Christ as the Messiah and that he was crucified.
In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” There is only one god. And jesus PBUH is his messenger. John 5 30 “I cannot do anything on my own; I judge as I hear, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me." Just like every other messenger of god, jesus was also doing only what god told him. If he was god in flesh, then atleast he would have his own will.
The Word of God, which is what Jesus was prior to his Incarnation (John 1:1), was made a man but kept that same identity into his Incarnation. His identity as God never changed. As a man he only did the Father's will, and so was without sin, even though tempted in all ways like us. That is why he can sympathize with us in our battles. See Hebrews 4:14-16. But my question to you is do you have eternal life by knowing God and Jesus Christ who he sent? It would be sad indeed for you to quote the Bible about eternal life and yet not have it yourself. Ask Jesus to reveal himself to you and he will do it. You can know you have eternal life.
@@Mike65809 Jesus PBUH is the word of god because he was created by god's words when he said "be" and there he was. Just like Adam. Bible itself provides verses which shows that Jesus was not god. And there is one true god. Not three. Jesus prayed to god because he was weak human like us and needed god's help, like us. John 17 3 states that there is one true god. But you say that there are 3.
@@abdullaharify1783 The Word already existed in the beginning. The verb in the Greek is past imperfect, meaning he was existing already at that time (John 1:1). So he is not created. right? Didn't God have his word before creation? In fact, everything that was created was created through him. That is what the Bible teaches us, which you reject, saying it was corrupted. But prove to us it was corrupted and at one time said the same things the Quran says. You have to have a real good reason to reject the word of God. Saying it was corrupted does not explain in what way, how, and what it at one time supposedly said. Please give evidence. Thanks.
@@Mike65809 Ok bro. There are some reasons I don't believe in Christianity: 1. There are too many versions of Bible and all of them have contradicting points. 2. Christians claim that John was an eyewitness of Jesus PBUH and wrote the bible. But john's bible was written in 100 AD. Almost 67 or more years after Jesus' ascend. 3. John 17 3 proves that Jesus was not god, and he is a messenger. 4. John 5 30 proves that Jesus is not god because god has his own will, and his prophets do not. 5. King james version, mattew 17 21 calls jesus a son of man which contradicts with the whole christian belief system. 6. Christians who translate the bible cover up evidence. If you want to know what I mean. Go google "what is the word for (god) in Aramiac. 7. Jesus never calls " the holy spirit" a god 8. Jesus is not all knowing and can die. That shows weakness. God isn't weak. He is all powerful. This video states that Jesus wanted to be unaware. This is stupid. It's like saying that I cut my own arm off because of nothing. 9. If we ask christians that why didn't the followers of Jesus didn't defend him and fought for him, they would bring a verse where Jesus said that if he needed help he would call to the angels of heaven. So does god need help from his own creation?
@@Soliloquy-gy6zf there is a greater mind, it generates stories, beliefs with phenomenon, if anyone knows the truth its me, as I was given a greater mind, this mind tells me the truth, it acts as if its God, showing up for people, I was given a story about our world, I had 'the power' of God, it should be heard, no one can figure this out, I could not do it myself, my life was destroyed, I begged God, my mind was taken over, body, voice, its not something I even imagined was possible
My Bible says in Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Not what you just quoted, that nonsense about not something to be grasped. You need to get yourself a holy Bible the KJV.
God is not truly all-knowing. He has forgiven and FORGOTTEN my sins. Because of Jesus. God is all-holy. Everything else is secondary. God will sacrifice literally anything to maintain His holiness.
No Muslim has ever taken a university level biblical hermeneutics class. They know nothing of biblical interpretation and the rules and principles to properly exegete a verse. They’re just cherry picking.
Human reasoning trying to deny God and his word. These unbelievers think they are do smart and that God is not perfect. Just wait till they breathe their last breath anfld then bow before the Lord Jesus and will realize that Jesus is God and King and the Creator. What then?????
This response is laughable,where is this voluntered veiling described in the bible??why was he veiled??i know christians are desperate for jesus pbuh to be god,so his sacrifice for THEIR sins is worthy according to their dogma,but the fact is its just simpler and truer to recognise jesus pbuh to be what he was,a man of god. Thanks for a good laugh😅😅
Guys, Here is The Savior HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH” YaH is The Heavenly Father YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins YaH was Crucified on an Almond TREE - Ancient Semitic Cuneiform of Moshe (Moses) - Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah) Isaiah 42:8 "I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.” Isaiah 43:11 “I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.” Isaiah 45:5 “I am YaH, and there is none else.”
@@STRvideos YaH The Father (Genesis 1), YaH, Who, with His HAND, formed “man (Adam)”, from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7). It was YaH’s HAND they NAILED to the Almond Tree, to symbolize forgiveness of the “Tree of Life” sin OF “man” and thus “The Fall OF man” (Genesis 3) and YaH arrived to be Crucified via the Tent of Meeting (Exodus 33, Hebrew Book of Isaiah)
The scriptures themselves prove that Christ is not God. Colossians 1:15 says that Christ is the Firstborn of every CREATURE. He is a created being, the only-begotten SON of the One True God, Yahweh. Scripture also tells us that He was a successful savior and will reconcile the entire universe back to His Father with no created beings lost. Eternal torment is a lie of religion / Satan. Romans 5:18 Colossians 1:20 1 corinthians 15:21-28 1 timothy 4:10
Jesus is the Son of God or God the Son. There was no trinity in the beginning. There was only God: Elohim. Elohim is plural for God but He is not merely three. He is a Kingdom of Spirits. Angels are spirits: elohim. When Elohim said, Let There Be Light! Or, Light Become! Or literally, Light Be! Elohim became Yahweh (Genesis 2:4) and His Words became The Light of the world. John 8:12 And, the angels were the fallout from the explosion of His Voice.
Did Jesus exist as a separate person before the creation of the universe? Was he glorified by the father or did he have his own independent glory? If he existed as a separate person, doesn't it make him different from god? What was the purpose of a separate person before incarnation in the world? After going to heaven after crucifixion, does he still exist as a separate person or has he merged with the father and ceased existing? Lot of confusion about the trinity. I am genuinely interested in getting a logical understanding of the trinity. I sometimes wonder if xtianity tried to reconcile the irreconcilable.
There is NO Trinity. The Father is an invisible Spirit that is Holy. He is the Holy Spirit. There is no separate Holy Spirit. And the Father has a visible image. Colossians 1:15. He calls this visible image the WORD. The WORD was with God and the WORD was God from the foundation of the world. John 1:1-18 The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. To prove that the Son/Word was with the Father before the earth was formed is found in John 8:58 and 17:5. See also Proverbs 30:4. God is a Father and His Son!!! There's not 3, just ONE.
Trinity is arguably the most difficult, fully unexplainable concept of Christianity. Yes, Jesus existed as a separate person in Trinity before the creation. And he still exists as a separate person in Trinity. He will return in his human body again.
It’s only irreconcilable when trying to use human logic on God. God is not human but Spirit and he can’t be explained with our limited logic. All we can do is trying to get glimpse of God’s nature by studying his word and the ways he revealed himself to us. God showed himself and spoke to Moses in a burning bush, a cloud, and fire and he showed Moses His glory, but covered Moses’ eyes with His own hands so Moses wouldn’t die seeing God’s face (Exodus 33) God also shows himself to Elijah (1. Kings 19) not in a mighty wind, not in an earthquake, but in a gentle whisper. This time Elijah covered his eyes himself knowing that he would perish seeing God face to face. There is nothing to reconcile when it’s about Jesus. Jesus is God coming down on earth in human form so we could get a glimpse of God and not perish. And you will one day recognize Jesus as well, whether it’ll be trembling in fear or with overflowing joy depends on the decision you make here and now. You saying “xtianity” reveals yourself not as a born again believer, but, I assume, as some kind of Muslim denying Jesus, or an atheist. But that doesn’t make the reality of Jesus death on the cross and his resurrection and ascending to heaven any less real.
@@jan_777 well, human logic. Is there any other type of logic? Do you know "divine" logic? What are its principles. I understand it is your belief, that does not make it true or logical. I am trying to understand how three persons, different existences and one god is reconciled. I asked genuine questions, but you come with just bluster and threat. How do you know whatever you have written? What evidence do you have? If you don't have any evidence, why another religion with its claims without evidence any less true than yours?
@@MK-lh3xd You better read the Scripture to read about examples how God revealed himself to people in the Old Testament times. Then read *all* of the New Testament, especially Paul’s letters, where you find concise theological argumentation as to why Jesus is the Messiah and how he could be fully God and fully human at the same time. At last you’ll read Revelation where you get a glimpse of what the very end will be like when Jesus returns. What exactly is your faith if you have any, depending on your answer, I’ll give you a specific answer to what the evidence or the differnce between faith in Jesus and any other religion is.
Jesus is the Son of God and comes from God therefore he is divine, but not God. John 1:1 reveals that the Word was God. It doesn't reveal the Word was the Son. Then John 1:14 reveals the Word was made flesh and begotten which means the Word who is God went into the egg of Mary who is a woman and she conceived and had a son. Jesus was made of a woman Gal.4:4. This reveals that Jesus is the Son of God and not God. Jesus came in his Father's name which is THE WORD OF GOD Rev. 19:13 since his Father's name is the WORD John 1:1.
You go ahead and keep making excuses for Jesus, coz they're gonna keep making excuses for Mohammed and the atheists are gonna keep making excuses for evolution. It goes on and on and on...
God changes form. Loses His mind. Loses His immortality. Nothing can get worse than this. If Jesus said he didn't know something, why doubt him? Making Jesus into God and then coming out with various excuses to explain simple scriptures to mean what they don't say. For what purpose is the question. To help people with truth or to perpetuate a lie?
Fully God. Fully man.
Well-meaning Christians further get this wrong with using language of God the Father "turning His face away from / separating Himself from" Christ on the cross. If Christ were fully separated from the Trinity, He'd no longer be God, or there would've been two separate Gods at the same time... and the Trinity would only have 2 members at that point in history.
The veiled eyesight is a solid analogy. All ability and identity remains even while momentarily, intentionally setting that ability aside.
The video just explained he chose himself to be less than god. But you still claim fully god, fully man.
And when jesus is in heaven (as in now), doesn't he have a separate existence from the father? Does he not sit on a different throne or on the right hand of the father, thus implying separate existence? Is jesus a spirit in heaven or is he still in flesh?
@@MK-lh3xd - Good questions! He didn't "choose Himself to be less than God." He put aside the fullness of His abilities while retaining His divine nature ("Godness" for lack of a better term). The video explains that. You can't "choose" to be less than God unless you have the option to "choose" to be on the same level with God -- which is something only God could decide to do.
The heavenly throne language in the Bible isn't meant as a literal, physical throne, but spiritual (heaven is a spiritual realm) -- it signifies His Kingship over creation. The Trinity itself is an idea we can't fully grasp because God is unlike any physical being we've ever encountered -- which makes sense if He made this entire universe. The nature of Jesus's existence is similarly beyond our immediate understanding if we're trying to compare it to mere physical creatures.
"Is Jesus a spirit in heaven or is he still in flesh?" Yep. The Bible says He ascended into heaven in His body, which would mean He still has possession of the same resurrected body that He had on Earth. But it also clearly states He is spiritually unlimited since the resurrection, meaning He isn't confined to only existing in that body.
@@thinkingtoinfinity ok. Nature of god is beyond our understanding. But each religion claims they know their god is the true one, and the gods of other religions are false. What gives that confidence if one is not able to comprehend the nature of god, and is not even able to be sure how many forms a god takes, or if he can take another form, why he wouldn't have taken other forms in other times and places? Or even that there may be several gods that we cannot comprehend? Why can't there be many gods who either don't care about each other or that they collaborate with each other or fight with each other over a universe? A lot of beliefs about god or gods appear to be a combination of wishful thinking, fear, tribalism, word salads to obfuscate and modeled loosely on powerful, angry and occasionally merciful ancient tribal warlords. I don't mean to offend, but if we don't understand something, it is better to say we don't know, and that we could be wrong about what we know, than to commit our lives strongly to it.
@@MK-lh3xd - Thanks for the reply! I'm not offended, and greatly appreciate the conversation.
Yes, religions all make competing claims, and most of them imply severe consequences if they're right and we don't acknowledge them. And I completely agree that, from an outsider/atheist perspective they all seem like control tactics or enduring legends. That's why I felt it was worth investigating the claims of different worldviews (including atheism) in my younger years when I was an agnostic. I found that most religions are almost intentionally absurd myths (i.e. the Earth was formed by a peacock hurling an egg into the sun) which can be easily ruled out. Atheism didn't explain anything beyond physical material, though information transfer, logic, consciousness (supported by NDE evidence) etc., are not physical things.
For me, authentic Christianity (not the popularized T.V. version) was the worldview that best explained the world we live in, how humans behave, etc. I think it's better to sincerely examine the evidence rather than just shrug it off and say we can't know. There's too much at stake.
If a Being truly existed prior to the creation of our universe and that Being, in fact, created this universe -- that checks out with how science can't explain physics requiring cause and effect, yet our universe clearly shows signs of a beginning without a physical cause. If that Creator revealed things about Himself, we could expect much to align with our reality, while also often defying our understanding.
If that Creator had no intention of us understanding It, then anything goes (your examples of multiple gods, multiple forms of god, etc.). However, if that Creator did want us to have some knowledge of Him, I think the explanation Christianity provides makes the most sense of all alternatives.
@@MK-lh3xdyou're exactly right. They do all claim that. However, there is a lot of archeological evidence for the Bible, alot of biblical and secular evidence for the Bible and for Christ for that matter, and numberous prophecies fulfilled that are written on copies of the Bible that pre date the events they predict.
Jesus, GOD in the Flesh, gave us the example of how to live as a human. He said He could do nothing but what The Father let Him and speak only what The Father told Him. So yes, he was limited in his personhood, but still GOD in the Flesh. He had to eat and drink, as humans do. He performed countless miracles, that we can perform if we follow The LORD and live by the example Christ set. He defeated any attempts at temptation by Satan by quoting The Bible. In his humanity, he was reluctant to die a painful death on the cross, and asked The Father to take this cup from him, if there was another way; but HIS will be done, the Will of GOD, not the will of the flesh.
Actually it was the Father working in him performing the miracles. He was in the Father and the Father was in him. Given the Holy Spirit without measure, he did not do miracles by his own power. Amen?
Guys, Here is The Savior
HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH”
YaH is The Heavenly Father
YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING
YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins
YaH was Crucified on an Almond TREE
- Ancient Semitic Cuneiform of Moshe (Moses)
- Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah)
Isaiah 42:8
"I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.”
Isaiah 43:11
“I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.”
Isaiah 45:5
“I am YaH, and there is none else.”
Being God in the flesh is a contradiction.
Jesus is a man.
@RichardMizenko who was Joseph's Father?
Why are 6 of pauls letters forgeries?
Why is yahweh the pagan storm gid married to Asherah?
Apparently you’re getting bombarded by heretics who deny the Deity of Christ. John 1 fellas.
John was copied from Mark. Both are anonymous.
@@Michelle-Davis source?
@@MrLemonsChannel it's the consensus of mainstream Christian scholars.
@@Michelle-Davis okay so it should be easy to provide me a source
@bassguitar-oe8mk oh okay so you have no source
Thank you brother...that was a good analogy...love from Middle East
Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
It is very perplexing how some can take one small passage in the Bible as paramount while ignoring all the rest that say the opposite.
I know. Just look at all the scriptures that say Jesus isn't God and is only God's son. Many people do not accept Jesus because they think he is God.
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We read in Mal.3:1: “Behold, I will send MY MESSENGER, and he shall prepare the way BEFORE ME: and THE LORD, WHOM YOU SEEK, SHALL SUDDENLY COME TO ***HIS*** TEMPLE, even the MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, whom you delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.”
Lets break this down and make it perfectly clear......
"Behold I *_(God)_* will send my messenger (??????) and he shall prepare the way before me *_(God)_* :
Who was sending the messenger?...... It was *_God_*
The messenger was to prepare the way for who? .......for *_God_*
So *_God_* ...... sent (somebody) to prepare the way for *_God .... HIMSELF..._*
and the Lord *_(God)_* , whom you seek, shall suddenly come to his *_(God's)_* temple, even the messenger of the covenant *_( the law of Moses)_* , whom you delight in: behold, he *_(God)_* shall come, saith the Lord *_(God)_* of hosts.
In the passage above Malachi speaks of a messenger one that will prepare the way for the Lord, this is none other than John the Baptizer who is foretold in Isa.40:3-4. He is.......
“The voice crying out in the wilderness: prepare the way of the *_Lord_* ; make straight in the desert a highway for *_OUR GOD_* .”
Mt. 11:10 quotes this as a confirmation of John the Baptizer as the one who will introduce the *_LORD_* and *_OUR GOD_* . “For this is he of whom it is written: 'Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, who will prepare Your way before You.'
So..... Who was the one that came after John the Baptizer? It was JESUS. But wait....According to Malachi the one that comes after John the Baptizer is the same one that made the covenant with Moses.... How can this be? Was it not God that made the covenant with Moses? Yes it was.....But it was Jesus that came after John the Baptizer and not God?.... Could Malachi be wrong? ....Or is it simply that God himself did actually come to the earth and visit his temple as Jesus right after John the Baptizer did. Exactly as Malachi said he would...
Notice that Malachi tells us that the Lord himself, the one who made the covenant with Israel in the Old Testament will come to visit his temple personally and they will "BEHOLD" him *_(they would see him)_* ..... They would see who? They would see the one that made covenant with Israel. *>>>> "GOD"
@@antichrist_revealed Which say specifically that he isn't God?
Guys, Here is The Savior
HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH”
YaH is The Heavenly Father
YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING
YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins
YaH was Crucified on an Almond TREE
- Ancient Semitic Cuneiform of Moshe (Moses)
- Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah)
Isaiah 42:8
"I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.”
Isaiah 43:11
“I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.”
Isaiah 45:5
“I am YaH, and there is none else.”
@@Mike65809 John 3:16.
Thank you, brother, for your faithfulness and theological insight. Keep persevering through the heretical, anti biblical, and anti historical comments
Jesus was fully God and fully man. He was meant to be more than just God to us, but what is possible with our humanity. What if instead of him being all-knowing, he limited himself to what his human nature would know and allowed himself to be completely led by the Spirit at all times? That would explain why he can know how many husbands the woman at the well had, but yet be taken off guard when the woman with the issue of blood touched his robes. He was a man so in tune with the Holy Spirit and that's what allowed him to do the things he did as a man.
Keep in mind, I'm not denying the deity of Christ at all, he is God. But I think back to the scripture in Phillipians that says "Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to". This is the one that, I believe, showcases this better than any other.
Exactly. He kept his spiritual identity as the Logos the whole time, but emptied himself of miraculous attributes.
Another point I can try making: not knowing something doesn't mean ignorance.
As in Jesus chooses himself not to know what the Hour is. Not because He is ignorant of it, but more because He chooses not to divulge it, or sum.
Choosing not to divulge is lying by omission. He simply didn't know because he isn't the Father.
@@James_Bee He didn't k now because emptied himself of those miraculous attributes when he became a man. But he always kept the same identity as the Word of God, the Logos of John 1.
Guys, Here is The Savior
HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH”
YaH is The Heavenly Father
YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING
YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins
YaH was Crucified on an Almond TREE
- Ancient Semitic Cuneiform of Moshe (Moses)
- Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah)
Isaiah 42:8
"I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.”
Isaiah 43:11
“I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.”
Isaiah 45:5
“I am YaH, and there is none else.”
Jesus was saying it as a human, that no human knew the time. You are correct
@@James_BeeJesus said it as a human
In the beginning of this video (with the Muslin and that man) it takes place at Balboa Park in San Diego. Those Muslims have a booth just about everyday and it's in a courtyard where the museums are. I don't want to be "off-topic" from the main point of Stand To Reason, but the courtyard and the museums at Balboa Park is nice and quaint but unfortunately it's been ruined by all kinds of religious booths, merchants, and exhibitionists. It's turned into a tacky carnival, especially on the weekends, and it's not meant to be like that. There was a crackdown, one time, and it was nice when it was all gone, but it's back again. I'd like to see all of it disappear.
By the way, I've always loved Stand To Reason. It's very educational. Keep up doing the great work you do.
When Jesus was in flesh he took on limits.
God shouldn't have ANY limitations whatsoever, if He's truly Omnipotent then He should carry His power into physical world, failure to do so means God is bound by His creation which disproves His Omnipotence verbatim
What your describing is a limited God if he doesn't have the ability to limit himself. See where you're misunderstanding?
@@PaperBagGambles
Why SHOULD God limit Himself in physical world? At least he should carry SOME of His Omnipotence, maybe demonstrate Omniscience to convince people He's actually God
100% God, 100% Human. Isaiah 29:16.
Did he not enact miracles through God, who is also himself? Did he not survive 40 days in the desert without eating? No human can do that.
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I think my response was deleted and I'm not sure what triggered that. God was able to survive in the desert for 40 days without eating! (He also limited himself for the sake of principle, to live as a human)@@mr.knightthedetective7435
I used to think that the answer to Mark 13:32 was the incarnation, but not anymore (at least not as a primary answer). It has nothing to do with the incarnation. The word "know" is being used in the sense of "make known" or "declare," such as making a declaration or announcement. In ancient Jewish weddings only the father had the right to declare that date and hour of the ceremony. It's even possible that "no one knows the date or the hour" was a first century figure of speech since the Sanhedrin only had the authority to declare when a new month started in the Jewish calendar. So Jesus could have been referring to Rosh Hashanah (Feast of Trumpets).
@@GuidanceforGuardians Modern commentaries are more likely to include recent archaeological findings and linguistic developments.
@@GuidanceforGuardians Can both answers be correct?
I recently stumbled upon the importance of the bridegroom's father in Jewish wedding ceremonies, and I definitely think what Christ said here was in some way related to that. But as the NET Bible notes mention, Luke 2:52 says that Jesus *grew* in wisdom. This indicates that He gained, meaning He was at a "lower" point of wisdom, A, and moved toward a "higher" point of wisdom, B. With this in mind, the self-veiling with the incarnation still makes the most sense to explain both of these passages.
@@TommyCupcakes That verse refers to Mary watching Jesus grow up as a child, and basically doing as children do, they get smarter by the day. The full verse for context should always be applied as to not confuse anyone. "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man." Meaning that his reputation was growing amongst people favorably, as well as his connection with God, His wisdom and acquired knowledge both spiritually concerning scripture was growing as well as his applicable knowledge with the world. And his physical growth from child to man was taking place as well. And Mary was the witness to it. Basically accounting for all the things a mother takes notice of with their Child's development. Which was her role as the proxy mother for God's son.
To be perfectly honest, I wouldn’t have known how to answer that one either. So thank you for this!
You're welcome!
Phillipians 2:5-10
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
We are in the FORM of Adam. Jesus was in the FORM of God means what? Think!
@@jimjuri6490 you seriously don't get this, huh? No one verse or chapter or book can stand alone. The rest of the Bible supports itself. If you truly read the Bible and knew it, then you wouldn't telling me this.
@@Izzy07734 : How about 'No man has SEEN God at ANY TIME.' - 1 John 4:12.
Written by someone who SAW Jesus as did many others. Not only SAW Jesus. John was Jesus' most trusted Apostle.
@@jimjuri6490 Again, remember what I told you the first time. One scripture cannot stand alone. We know that Moses and Jacob have seen God and lived. They even say "I've seen God and lived." So, therefore, you're interpretation of that scripture does not match with what that chapter is talking about. Jesus said in John 14:9 "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?"
@@Izzy07734 : Any single scripture should harmonize with the rest of the scriptures. How can any verse contradict TRUTH?
What people saw were ANGELS. NEVER God.
If God comes close to this earth, we won't be having this conversation.
Here is an example.
Exodus 20:1 Then God spoke all these words: 2 “I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
Was this God himself speaking? Note the pronouns I and ME.
Stephen speaking:
Acts 7:53 you who received the Law as TRANSMITTED BY ANGELS but have not kept it.”
Here is what God told Moses THROUGH an angel.
(Exodus 33:20) But he added: “You cannot see my face, for no man can see me and live.”
Did Moses argue and say, "But Jacob saw you and he lived!"
Some people think God is some kind of toy that can be changed into whatever shape they like and manhandled at will.
The Creator of this Universe can NEVER be seen by humans. It will be like humans trying to take residence in the sun. Far worse.
In the gospel of John, when talking about Yeshua it states "The same (Yeshua) was in the beginning with God, and nothing came into being that exists without him." This means He created us. So from our perspective as He is the creator, He is God. He may not be on the same level as God The Father, but from our perspective as the creation... He is God. Additionally He received worship. The man born blind worshiped Him, The rocks and stones would have worshiped Him if humanity did not.. Each person in the bible who was worshiped and did not deserve it quickly gave the glory to God, and stopped the worshiper from continuing.... Yeshua did not. Psalms says "Thy Throne Oh God is forever and ever", in the book of Revelation the 24 elders, the 4 living beings, and hundreds of thousands of angels worshiped He who sat on the throne AND THE LAMB.... So yes.. He is God. He may be 'A God' but from our perspective He is God.
Jesus is not A god, that's blasphemy. Jesus is God. He's the second person of the Trinity
@@jomess7879 That is assuming there actually IS a Trinity.. nothing in the bible says Trinity.. it is currently a 'Christian' Construct.. It may be true.. then again it may not. You will never know until you meet Him face to face and ask. The fact is VERY clear the bible says both. and if you disagree you are not only fooling yourself (and those that hear you), but you are a racist homophobe as well....🤪😜😝
I think our understanding of "omniscience" is very shallow as well. Did God "know" what it feels like to get a splinter? Not until Jesus got one as a kid (assuming here). Omniscience is probably closer to knowing all possible outcomes in all possible realities, but not the same as experience. Jesus had to "learn" things. Luke says he "grew" in wisdom. If God IS wisdom how can he grow? The reality is that the Godhead is so much deeper with more dimensions than we can possibly imagine, and the transcendent mixing with the earthly will also cause confusion for pure left-brain people.
Well said😊
John 10:30. I and the father are one.
That doesn't mean Jesus is God. Read the context. He is saying that He and the Father agree that the children the Father has given him no one can take out of His hands or his Father's hand. You must understand the letters in the verses in the kjv bible have to be converted into numbers A=1---Z=26. The letters are the Son and the bread aka the flesh and the numbers behind the letters is the Father Jehovah and the blood. This is how they are one, but two different beings. The Word is simple math problems. People have been taught a false gospel for over 1000 years. People are so blind and deceived.
My gosh, semantics semantics semantics. Whether Jesus was God himself, or a wonderful person that God chose to possess as many are possessed by demons today, does it really matter? Look at the messages He spreads, look at the perfection of His actions, look at the sacrifice He made for us all. Arguing such a trivial detail is childish. He will forever be the human that was closest to God during His life and the shepherd and savior to us all. That is what truly matters.
If Jesus isn't God, then He's also not the Savior. God's holiness and justice demands a perfect sacrifice to atone for the offense of our sins. Since we have offended an infinite, perfect God, the only sacrifice that satisfies God's justice is an infinite, perfect sacrifice. Only Jesus as the God-man could possibly fulfill that demand. If Jesus isn't God, there is no gospel.
@@sggames4787 But Jesus and God are 2 separate entities aren't they? God being the Almighty, formless creator and master of all things. And Jesus being the human born of half humanity and half the Holy Spirit (or God). Which is what I meant by Him being the closest thing to perfection that will ever exist in the form of a human. He stands above us all as our savior and shepherd, stands above even the angels, but is still is a separate entity to God. I don't mean this to undermine His power and authority, of which they are unmatched to all but God Himself.
@@VoiceOvaGuy That's not what the Bible or orthodox Christian theology teaches. Jesus is Himself God of very God, coequal with the Father in power, glory, majesty, and eternality. The second person of the Godhead took on perfect and complete humanity without divesting Himself of any of His divinity. John 1:1-18, Hebrews 1:1-3, and many other passages clearly teach that Jesus is equal with God.
Guys!! Listen to me!! Jesus is just telling us He hasn't decided yet.. that's what He means by Father. It's like saying to yourself " I don't know what I'm going to eat for dinner tonight" and then bam the thought pops into your head PIZZA!! That's God revealing that in your mind folks, which you are one with. Jesus is simply stating that the spirit of His mind Aka The Father has not decided yet or revealed to Him the desire to yet return. Amen
This makes a lot of sense when it is used to explain all the other incommunicable attributes like Glory, Omnipotence and Omnipresence. We see the unveiling of Glory at the Mount of Transfiguration. We see the unveiling of Omnipotence to withstand the wrath of God on the cross for sinners. We see the omnipresence when He says he’ll never leave us or forsake us. In his “day to day,” those incommunicable attributes were his, but were not on display. They were not something he grasped.
I love this channel! Keep up the good work. ✝️
I believe that He knows but it is not for Him to declare it. (Matt 24:42-44, Acts 1:7, Deut 29:29) He gave details of the events that would occur before that time and used parables to describe what would happen during the time (Matt 24-25). It would be strange for someone to describe what takes place in the event but not know when it would happen.
In the parable of the ten virgins, the bridegroom doesn't announce his coming.
We hardly think of the incarnate Jesus' lack of omnipresence is an issue. It's the same thing.
Incarnate belief is Antichrist and denies that Jesus is the Son of God in the flesh.
"Can God die?"
"Is God a human?"
"Does God poop?"
I always say to all Muslims saying God can't be 3in1, who are you to limited God's power?
God is all-powerful and all-knowing and if God wants to be 3in1 HE CAN.
End of story.
He veiled what he as God knew while in Human flesh for the purpose of the mission.
I need to go find the verse but... It appears after his resurrection he did know and all that was veiled was restored. So we have to remember that too.
This maybe what is needed. In prayer to his God Jehovah, Jesus said:
John 17:4 I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. 5 So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.
Jesus prays to God to restore the position which Jesus had in heaven before God sent him to become a man.
God not only restored what Jesus had, but even gives Jesus a higher name than he had earlier.
Read Philippians 2:9.
I like that eye analogy thing. Gonna use that one :)
I think sometimes we go too far in trying to define what makes God, God. There are certain divine attributes that scripture is clear on; however, there are also some other attributes that I believe might actually just belong to a certain part of the Godhead. The opening words in Genesis I believe is meant to communicate some of those fundamental aspects of His divine nature. God is eternal in a way that nothing else that is not God is. Everything that is not God, depends on God for its existence. Without Him nothing else exists. Passages like John 1 connect Jesus to this same divine nature showing that He is God just as His Father is God. Now there is an important clarification that needs to be made concerning this ‘eternal’ nature of God. Many English translations of scripture use the same word to describe the gift of ‘eternal life’ that God offers us. So does that mean that God is offering to elevate us to become Gods? Certainly not, in fact the word eternal here isn’t really the best translation. I prefer translating these passages as ‘everlasting life’ although that too isn’t a perfect translation. The point is, God offers to give us a kind of life that is free of death and that will never end; however, He is not offering to make us eternal as He is eternal having neither beginning or end. Our lives will always have a beginning and we will never be ‘alpha and omega’. Nothing and no one could ever become God because by definition to be God is to have always been God in a unique eternal sense. Therefore, everything belongs in one of two categories. Category 1 is the eternally existing God and category 2 is everything else that God brings into existence which we call creation.
This establishes Gods authority over all else that exists meaning that God has power over all creation. This is what we mean when we say that God is all powerful or omnipotent. Without spending too much time on it, we also see an emphasis on His unique goodness (Mark 10:18). So some of Gods divine attributes include His eternal nature, His authority over creation or omnipotence and lastly His goodness. Scripture affirms all of these attributes in Jesus, establishing Him as one and the same with God.
However, there are a few other attributes that we have ascribed to God that are not explicitly ascribed to Jesus. For example, take omnipresence or the quality of existing everywhere at once. Now there are certain passages that people have pulled this idea about God from such as Psalms 139:7-12; however, does that mean that this is a fundamental characteristic of God or simply that it is a characteristic that exists within the Godhead? If we go back to the original qualities that have been established I think we will find an answer. Space itself (not just ‘outer space’ but the attribute of possessing spatial properties) is something that I believe fits into category 2 as a part of creation not in category 1 as part of God’s eternally existing nature. Now if space itself is not an eternally existing thing then a spatial quality such as having a specific location within space or even being located everywhere in space can also not be an eternally existing quality.
Now I want to describe a way that I have found to think about the Trinity that helps me make sense of it; however, I need to first point out that this should not be considered in anyway authoritative and there are almost certainly some holes in my thinking as I believe the fullness of God’s nature is beyond human comprehension. That being said, I have found that it makes the most sense to think of only the Holy Spirit as possessing this attribute of omnipresence. That is not because the Father or Son lack the power to be omnipresent but because they have a reason for taking on a different kind of spacial property. The Son has taken on the ability to exist in a specific place and time to completely share with us this part of our human nature. On the other hand, the Father is often described as being ‘enthroned above’ in a way that makes me think of Him as existing completely outside of space and time.
Now this brings us to another quality that is ascribed to God which is omniscience. Now this seems like it should be a fundamental characteristic of God, how can there be anything that God does not know about? Now if all of existence depends on Gods for its existence then of course God must know about all of it. However, the nature of this question assumes a temporal understanding of knowledge. That is to say, the question can be reworded to take different temporal considerations. How can there be anything God does not know about now? Or, how can there be anything God does not know about ever? There are subtle yet important differences between these ways of interpreting that question. If God choses to exist outside of time then his knowledge exists outside of time as well. This is how I believe we can reconcile the notion of the Fathers foreknowledge and human free will. How can God know what choices we are going to make if our choices are not already determined? Because his knowledge about these things exists outside of time. From his perspective, he is not looking into the future to see what we will choose. He sees what we will choose because he sees all of it, all of space and time at once. Now then, if a member of the Godhead chose to exist in time and His knowledge existed in time then it is possible that He might not have knowledge about all times. Perhaps this is the case with Jesus and it is why He had to depend the Spirits revolution and trust in the Fathers Will. Of course this is not because He does not have the power to access this knowledge, but because He has chosen to share in human limitations for a purpose.
You're so knowledgeable! Wish I could learn my scripture as well as you! Thank you for sharing your love for Jesus 🙏🏽
I might be wrong on this but correct me please. In 1 Corinthians 2:2 Paul said For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. Paul used the same word “know” means declare. For the second coming of Jesus will be like a wedding, so The Father announces the wedding not The Son. In Jewish wedding the father declares the wedding but the son knows when is the wedding. So this means Jesus knows the hour but The Father will declare it.
Respectfully, this explanation is incorrect.
If Jesus not knowing the hour is due to his incarnation, then that doesn’t explain how the Holy Spirit also doesn’t know since the Holy Spirit never incarnated. The verse says that “only The Father” knows, which must mean that the Holy Spirit *also* does not know, but the Holy Spirit never incarnated.
So what is the answer to this question?
When Jesus says that only his Father knows, he is speaking in the form of a parable: it's a reference to the saying that's been associated with ancient, Jewish wedding customs--that only the bridegroom's father knows when the wedding will occur.
Jesus doesn't know because he isn't God. It's that simple.
But Jesus also grew in wisdom. As for the Holly Spirit, he just said he and the angels didn't know. He didn't mention the Holy Spirit.
@@Mike65809 Hello. By saying though that "'only' The Father knows," one is saying that the Holy Spirit *also* does not know, respectfully.
@@antichrist_revealedJesus or Christ?
One isn't coming
The other...
Is waiting
@@Mike65809Jesus or Christ?
One isn't coming
The other...
Is waiting
It's difficult to prove any of these claims either way, you either put your trust in the bible (which my understanding is that historians only believe a small portion is likely the accurate word of Jesus) or you put your trust in the Quran.
If you generally believe in both, then the Quran takes precedent because it came second, and is supposed to be the direct word of God, not just stories told by other people.
The question is, is there any reason to believe the Quran is true and not a lie?
You can analyse the life of the prophet Muhammad, and decided whether he was crazy, a liar or a truthful person, based on the vast majority of his actions.
The other side is looking at the Quran and its historical and scientific accuracies that couldn't have been known by Muhammad.
But how do you square that with the bible? Muslims believe the words of Jesus were corrupted, intentionally and/or unintentionally, and he didn't say everything the bible says he said. So if they're right, surely there would be contradictions within the bible and between the new and old testaments right?
Well arguably there are, because the bible says in more than 20 places that God is only 1, and yet this idea of the trinity somehow appeared, and it seems to fly in the face of that.
Christians insist that God is 3 and 1 at exactly the same time, which seems illogical, but ok, maybe the complexity of God is too great for us to understand?
But why is there such an emphasis on the oneness of God then? The trinity is not explained well, not detailed properly in scripture, is basically only briefly hinted at here or there, and is mainly the work of scholars and their readings. It is not sufficient to discount the highly emphasised oneness of God that scripture places. The trinity needs to be more explicitly detailed, or else the best explanation for its limited evidence's existence, is that chinese-whispers have corrupted the teachings of Jesus, rather than God is in fact 3 and also 1 simultaneously.
The question is, in which way is God 1, if the trinity is real? Other than you just insisting that God is 1 with you words, in which other way, which attributes of God make him 1 if the trinity is real?
When God came as Jesus, He came to live as a man. As a man, we should expect Him to not know everything, pray to God the Father, suffer, etc. It isn't that difficult.
I want to add Christ constantly compares the second coming to a jewish wedding and to my knowledge the bride and groom didnt plan the date the grooms father was the one who announced the date and time even if the groom did know when it was going to be.
Then he lied saying he didn't know.
@Mike65809 thats not lying I told you the custom that stems from not that thats what's happening here literally I feel bad cause I can't remember but he's not using literal language here but I can't remember what type of language it's called but one thing I can assure you you will not find a lie in here coming out of Jesus's mouth.
@@marissajones1840 Of course he never lied. So we conclude that, just as he had to grow in wisdom as a child, he didn't know everything. He didn't pretend to be a baby, he was a baby. But he was always God in his identity as the Logos, the word made flesh. But he only did miracles by the Spirit working through him. Amen?
@@Mike65809 of course
Some observations:
- Philippians 2 is assumed to be about a pre-existent divine person without any justification.
- How come only the Father knows and not the Spirit? The Spirit didn't take on human limitations!
- It's assumed that God can self limit. Is such a thing logically possible for God?
Then what do you think Phil. is talking about?
@@Mike65809
The context would have us believe that Paul is speaking about Jesus Christ.
Philippians 2:5 - Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus
The question we then must ask is, when did Jesus become the Christ, when did this happen?
@@coreyevans9543 But you said it is assumed without justification. Yet you seem to agree.
@Mike65809
I don't agree that it's about a pre-existant person. That idea is assumed.
If one looks at who Paul is talking about, then it's clear from verse 5 that it's about Jesus Christ. As I mentioned, when did Jesus become the Christ? It most certainly wasn't before His birth, hence, the context isn't about a pre-existent person but about the human Jesus who was anointed.
Acts 2:36 - Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified
When was Jesus made the Christ?
@@coreyevans9543 Okay, so when was he in the form of God? As you know John 1:1 says the Word was God and then was made flesh. So he kept the same spiritual identity as the Word into his incarnation. So Paul refers to Jesus Christ even though he wasn't known by that name prior to his Incarnation. That's okay since his spiritual identity was always the same the whole time. Plus, this context makes it clear (at least to me) that in showing his steps of humbling, he started off in the form of God, humbled himself to take the form of a servant and be made a man, then humbled himself to the point of death on the cross. Otherwise, he would have been in in the form of God when on earth ,prior to his baptism. And even at his birth he is called Jesus Christ, even though he was anointed by the Holy Spirit at his baptism. And as far as I know the word "Christ", is equivalent to messiah to the Jews.
Is their anything we can learn from the parable of the faithful and the wicked servant about the hour and day ? It seems like there's more than a single day and single hour, or am I way off ? (Please excuse me for not knowing a lot)
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I point out to these Muslims Hebrews 10:17 " and their sins and iniquities will I remember NO MORE." that our God can forgive sins and remember them no more while Allah can't according to their attack on Jesus. The Father can veil knowledge of my sin and still be all-knowing then so can the Son veil knowledge. Amen
There are different level of "knowing" in scripture as something that has been revealed.
Genesis 22:12 and he said Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: For NOW I KNOW that thou fearest God, see thou has not withheld thy son, thine only son from ME."
Jesus Christ said, "I and the Father are one". What more needs to be said bro.
In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
Jesus is not god. But he is the messenger who was sent. Maybe I don't have to teach you what "only true god" means
@@abdullaharify1783 Jesus only spoke those words because people were not ready, and still aren't ready, to accept that he is God. The same thing happened when a man came up and told Jesus he was a good teacher to which Jesus responded "No one is good but God" which he did to allude to the fact he himself is God because if he said it directly, people wouldn't believe like you don't today.
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So in order to tell us that he is god, he stated the complete opposite, died (showed weakness), brought testaments from god instead of saying words of his own and chose to come to only one group of people instead of going and preaching to the whole world? Why would he only go to people of Israel and not our ancestors?? Don't we deserve god?
See; your claims are pointless
@@abdullaharify1783 No, YOUR claims are pointless. He is God in human form. Humans die. The only thing that sets him apart from all of us was that he lived a sinless life so that he could die on the cross having bore our sins so that when we trust and believe in him (and repent habitually) we shall be saved. Your claim of him not preaching to the world is severely false. Jesus spoke to his disciples and told them to write parts of the bible. The bible in question is globally accessible on top of the missionaries travelling to spread the word of the one true God (The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit: 3 persons, 1 being). He also did talk to our ancestors (Adam and Eve) but from them on, humans have all rebelled heavily against God just as you and I did. I tried to debate with you in peace like my God Jesus taught and you turn around with hatred, seems kind of strange doesn't it?
@@abdullaharify1783 And when you said "don't we deserve God" that is not at all true. No one deserves God for we have all sinned against him. It is only out of his unconditional mercy and love we can be forgiven through Christ. Without Christ there is no salvation.
Let a muslim ask that question to an open theist
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Jesus said no one comes to God except through him which is true and very few find God
Think of it this way. When a king wants to test the quality of a merchant's goods and the price that he sells them for. He disguises himself as a mere peasant or a farmer. He doesn't come as a king.
So if Jesus came as God to earth, everyone would accept him out of fear and not out of willingness. Which is why he came as a man. God has given us "Free Will" so we can choose to accept him. After all we aren't puppets being controlled.
Agreed! Jesus taken on the form of man, to live as a man, was required to have the same limitations as men. If he hadn’t become a limited human being, there would be no actual suffering on the cross. If Jesus didn’t put aside his divinity as a man he could have with one word destroyed anything and anyone standing in his way. But he chose to put aside his divine nature. Then and only then could he be the sacrifice, that we needed.
Except, "although being in the form of God he did not consider himself equal to God ...", supports the very premise you are arguing against. Even the Muslims who don't have the Christ can understand what those words mean. He is not equal to the Father, the Father is greater than he is, the Father kept from knowing the hour that he himself would have to return to the world.
Simple answer, look what scripture prefered to....Son of Man, it means the word of God, took a mortal flesh, become limited. He is a perfect model to teach us to be humble person, not like a ego person after him like Marcion, Montanism, Mani, and that arabian person
best explanation I've heard on this and easiest to understand
If you're not going to accept every verse in the Bible, then you have an issue with your foundation.
what did muhammad do with 9 year old aisha?
Thank you for that. I will try to remember it should I ever be questioned by a man who believes that deflowering a nine year old is the example of a top notch human male. 😏
OK can someone please help me with this question because i 100% believe in Jesus and his father but what stumps me is that is it right to call his father God because he is the most high and all the rest are just fragments of him and yet the bible states Satan is the prince of this realm and God of this world so it seems to me that by saying God bless your are praying to Satan and i do know his birth name which is a sin to even say so please this confuses me because the original bible was perfect but now it has been cut down to 66 books with 6 sides to a book.I guess i am over thinking because no one gets to the father unless he goes through the son first so all glory to our Lord Jesus Christ who has shared with me so much hidden history before i fell and his father is the most high just hope someone would share their thoughts on this.Thanks for your video friend.
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Jesus answered the question;
Matthew 24:36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
If you look you understand he said “no man”
Jesus is and was and is to come God.
If you go to 2nd Thes 1 - 4 the scripture explains when he will return for his bride.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 KJV
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, [2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
john 17 10-11 show that Christ and the apostles are one just as Christ and God the father are one in purpose as God. The man made Trinity is why people are confused.
I appreciate the illustration of a veil over the eyes does mean your eyes are not fully functional eyes. As for the trinity existing coequally, I think of water - it exists in solid, liquid, and gaseous forms. Each appears and feels different, one interacts with each differently.. But water never stops being H2O in each of its different forms.
Comparing the Trinity to water is the heresy of modalism. Look up the video by Lutheran Satire on St. Patrick’s bad analogies.
Jesus was man on this earth he died as man on the cross for our sins ❤
Jesus was human went He said he didn’t know the hour of His return. He had humbled Himself to become human to die for our sins and was not fully connected to the Godhead as the Trinity.
Once He ascended to heaven to be back with the Father and Holy Ghost, He knew, as did They.
Great video!
its way more simple. God the Father actively decides the "when". therefore only He knows that. there is no future when you have to account for free will. Jesus is no less God for not knowing the "when" than the Father for not being the one Crucified.
Jesus was given a mortal body, but did not sin, only sinners are destined to die, because he was without sin, it took the level of brutality he suffered to bring him to that point of death.
Jesus is meant to as you said, live a life amongst the humans in order to be relational to all mankind, lest mankind have the excuse. "Well God doesn't know! How could he judge us when he was never in our position to live through these trials and temptations." But Jesus came to fulfill that. If Jesus wasn't God, then this excuse would still hold up. But because he both is God, and fulfilled living a sinless life despite all the temptations, even the torture of brutality while found guilty for doing nothing wrong. And could have saved himself from the torment by calling upon a leagues of angels. He chose not to run away from it, to fulfill the higher purpose, that only a deity could fulfill. A sacrifice that any of us would have been too weak and saved ourselves from just to get the torment to stop. And through it, he took on the sins of all mankind. After walking and living a life on earth and experiencing all the same things humans had to endure. Both the good times he had traveling with friends, meeting people, providing them with hope and knowledge. And the bad when he was mocked, attempted to be tricked into a crime by not paying taxes, chased for his life before his appointed time of death, and so on...
As for why he does not know the date, nor the time, nor the hour. It is the same with the example of living a life as a mortal, but Jesus was required to do so in all things as an example and a testament to us on how we should behave. There are times in life where we as Christians need to wait on the Lord. Wait for his answer. And wait for his timing. It is as you said, it is a restriction of sorts, but I believe the part you could have refined with this video is the "why?" behind it. Which is again, to fulfill that example for us. Which Jesus even now has accomplished. Which he said, he does not know that day nor time nor the hour. But he will be waiting at the ready by his fathers side, waiting for the command. It is the final piece of active obedience exemplified in the Bible. Which God says he requires more than sacrifice. Which goes hand in hand and speaks volumes considering Jesus's sacrifice and how it worked in tandem as obedience with God's will. Despite Jesus praying for if there were to be any other way, for the cup to be taken from him.
It's a true miracle that Jesus went through all he went through. That a deity walked among men and made a sacrifice for all men and yet is disregarded so flimsily. With many not giving any true thought or care into the purpose of their existence and how valuable it all means. Your life was worthy enough for a God to lay down his own for you, For a God to sacrifice his only son for you, and whether or not you speak towards such an act with gratitude or with contempt, will speak volumes for your character, and what kind of person you really are.
Trick question
Jesus was saying that as a human. Jesus was saying that no HUMAN knows the time.
Jesus was a man who was turned into a legend over time. Same as Hercules.
Would you give up your life for this claim as those did for the opposite?
I don’t get your question.
Is God who he is only because of his attributes of God? Doesn't his identity also make him God? Can't we say for sure that Jesus was God because he was the Word (logos) made flesh, and never lost his spiritual identity as God? So he was indeed God, but had emptied himself to become a man. His attributes were not veiled, he didn't have them. Veiled would me man can't see them, but emptied of them would mean he longer has them. If they were just veiled, he could have tapped into them and found out his hour of return and simply told his disciples. Now in the glory he "had before world began" (Jn. 17), he has them all back again.
In the Divine Nature, he knows all things and is omnipresent, in the human nature, he did not, and was only in one place. Basically one person with two natures and wills. That’s orthodox Christianity.
Jesus was God deliberately lowering himself in power. Jesus was God stripping himself of power, that was the whole point.
Jesus brought himself low to the power of a mortal man, for the sole reason so Humanity could connect with God himself better, so we can actually relate to God, and feel for him.
This is what Jews and Muslims dont understand nor appreciate about Christ, God becoming Man mortally, on purpose. It is not weakness, it was strength to show God's might to deny and defeat all evil as a mortal man.
And when he died, he fared through the underworld hell, for 3 days that felt like an eternity, and conquered death and evil. He paid our price not just through crucifixion, but through his venture thru hell.
Jesus suffered for sins he didn't even commit, that is the ultimate suffering hell, hell enjoyed hurting God himself, but even they could not keep him there.
God can strip himself of his omnipotence and get it back just like that. *snaps*
He defies all human logic, and he should. He knows better than us.
That was exactly what I was thinking, Jesus didn't know *while He was human*, but almost certainly knew when He was restored to His rightful place. I think people have trouble understanding just how limiting the human mind is on the spirit God gives us. It's probably akin to fitting 10lbs of stuff in a 5lb sack.
Jesus had the spirit of God in him. Had God told Jesus he would have known. But God did not tell him, which shows Jesus is not all knowing nor is he God.
According to Farrooq GOD must know everything. Mohammed's god (that is allah) tells us in the quran that the sun sets in a muddy pool which we all know is not the case. So Mohammed's god did not know everything which means he cannot be GOD. Wonder why Farooq still follows this allah.
I like refutation better. Good! Quran's god has so many other errors. For example, it says sperm comes from between the backbone and ribs.
@@MK-lh3xd You can look at the quran actually from just about any angle and find things wrong with it.
As progressivist muslim here (muslim clearly will call me kafir)
i have to say it's not the Allah that doesn't know... it's the Prophet whose didn't know.
Honestly sometimes i thought Muhammad is better to be philosopher instead of self claimed prophet. Gotta be honest the concept of Islam is actually near perfect for theists if only it was not cultized by Muhammad, let people think... don't limit them, life isn't about freezing.
maybe I'm not a muslim anymore.. but i still believe in Allah, just Allah.
Yes i still practicing islamic teaching, but god knows better what is in my mind and heart.
@@male20yearsoldI pray that one day you’ll get to know Jesus for who he really is and find salvation in Him🙏
Muslims don't believe that Jesus was anything other than a good man and a prophet. So, from their point of view, Jesus couldn't be equal to Allah. You hit the nail on the head. Certain attributes of Jesus had to be muted for him to experience being human. The fallacy of Jese not being God is just more semantics. We could ask how it is that Islam tells us to believe the words of "Those of the Book". Yet, they deny Christ as the Messiah and that he was crucified.
In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
There is only one god. And jesus PBUH is his messenger.
John 5 30 “I cannot do anything on my own; I judge as I hear, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the one who sent me."
Just like every other messenger of god, jesus was also doing only what god told him. If he was god in flesh, then atleast he would have his own will.
The Word of God, which is what Jesus was prior to his Incarnation (John 1:1), was made a man but kept that same identity into his Incarnation. His identity as God never changed. As a man he only did the Father's will, and so was without sin, even though tempted in all ways like us. That is why he can sympathize with us in our battles. See Hebrews 4:14-16. But my question to you is do you have eternal life by knowing God and Jesus Christ who he sent? It would be sad indeed for you to quote the Bible about eternal life and yet not have it yourself. Ask Jesus to reveal himself to you and he will do it. You can know you have eternal life.
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Jesus PBUH is the word of god because he was created by god's words when he said "be" and there he was. Just like Adam.
Bible itself provides verses which shows that Jesus was not god. And there is one true god. Not three. Jesus prayed to god because he was weak human like us and needed god's help, like us.
John 17 3 states that there is one true god. But you say that there are 3.
@@abdullaharify1783 The Word already existed in the beginning. The verb in the Greek is past imperfect, meaning he was existing already at that time (John 1:1). So he is not created. right? Didn't God have his word before creation? In fact, everything that was created was created through him. That is what the Bible teaches us, which you reject, saying it was corrupted. But prove to us it was corrupted and at one time said the same things the Quran says. You have to have a real good reason to reject the word of God. Saying it was corrupted does not explain in what way, how, and what it at one time supposedly said. Please give evidence. Thanks.
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Ok bro. There are some reasons I don't believe in Christianity:
1. There are too many versions of Bible and all of them have contradicting points.
2. Christians claim that John was an eyewitness of Jesus PBUH and wrote the bible. But john's bible was written in 100 AD. Almost 67 or more years after Jesus' ascend.
3. John 17 3 proves that Jesus was not god, and he is a messenger.
4. John 5 30 proves that Jesus is not god because god has his own will, and his prophets do not.
5. King james version, mattew 17 21 calls jesus a son of man which contradicts with the whole christian belief system.
6. Christians who translate the bible cover up evidence. If you want to know what I mean. Go google "what is the word for (god) in Aramiac.
7. Jesus never calls " the holy spirit" a god
8. Jesus is not all knowing and can die. That shows weakness. God isn't weak. He is all powerful.
This video states that Jesus wanted to be unaware. This is stupid. It's like saying that I cut my own arm off because of nothing.
9. If we ask christians that why didn't the followers of Jesus didn't defend him and fought for him, they would bring a verse where Jesus said that if he needed help he would call to the angels of heaven. So does god need help from his own creation?
I have the truth about this, Jesus was a story
Go on...
@@Soliloquy-gy6zf there is a greater mind, it generates stories, beliefs with phenomenon, if anyone knows the truth its me, as I was given a greater mind, this mind tells me the truth, it acts as if its God, showing up for people, I was given a story about our world, I had 'the power' of God, it should be heard, no one can figure this out, I could not do it myself, my life was destroyed, I begged God, my mind was taken over, body, voice, its not something I even imagined was possible
@@stephenkaake7016 cool.
What is consciousness?
@@stephenkaake7016 that's kind of a let down.
Was expecting more... or something, at least
⚠️ Jesus or Christ?
One isn't coming
The other...
Is waiting
My Bible says in
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Not what you just quoted, that nonsense about not something to be grasped. You need to get yourself a holy Bible the KJV.
amen
God is not truly all-knowing. He has forgiven and FORGOTTEN my sins. Because of Jesus.
God is all-holy. Everything else is secondary. God will sacrifice literally anything to maintain His holiness.
These arguments/questions just showcase a person's ignorance of the trinity.
No Muslim has ever taken a university level biblical hermeneutics class. They know nothing of biblical interpretation and the rules and principles to properly exegete a verse. They’re just cherry picking.
Human reasoning trying to deny God and his word. These unbelievers think they are do smart and that God is not perfect. Just wait till they breathe their last breath anfld then bow before the Lord Jesus and will realize that Jesus is God and King and the Creator. What then?????
The man in the video should have replied - Jesus also said - my father in heaven is greater than me
The persons of the Trinity play different roles. That does not mean Jesus is not God.
Rom. 9:5 - Jesus Christ is God over all, blessed forever.
God bless you.
This response is laughable,where is this voluntered veiling described in the bible??why was he veiled??i know christians are desperate for jesus pbuh to be god,so his sacrifice for THEIR sins is worthy according to their dogma,but the fact is its just simpler and truer to recognise jesus pbuh to be what he was,a man of god.
Thanks for a good laugh😅😅
This explanation does not work. Didn't Jesus predict that Judas would betray him? How would he know this if he was "veiled" as a mere human?
Just because he doesn't know everything, doesn't mean he doesn't know some things.
Either the Father revealed it to him or he still knew certain things. After all, he prophesied his own death.
Guys, Here is The Savior
HalleluYAH translates “Praise ye YaH”
YaH is The Heavenly Father
YaH arrives via the TENT OF MEETING
YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins
YaH was Crucified on an Almond TREE
- Ancient Semitic Cuneiform of Moshe (Moses)
- Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah)
Isaiah 42:8
"I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.”
Isaiah 43:11
“I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.”
Isaiah 45:5
“I am YaH, and there is none else.”
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YaH The Father (Genesis 1), YaH, Who, with His HAND, formed “man (Adam)”, from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7). It was YaH’s HAND they NAILED to the Almond Tree, to symbolize forgiveness of the “Tree of Life” sin OF “man” and thus “The Fall OF man” (Genesis 3) and YaH arrived to be Crucified via the Tent of Meeting (Exodus 33, Hebrew Book of Isaiah)
Jesus is God!
Mark, Matthew, Luke and John did NOT believe that Jesus was God. The Old Testament says throughout that a man cannot be God.
Amen brother!
This is what I've believed also.
They want proof? They gonna get proof.. dont sweat it.
That's what happens when you don't know scripture. Revelation behold I am coming quickly and my reward is with me.
Someone needs to tell this im am, about Jesus being the great I AM!
When God took on a human body Jesus. He was limited with a human mind.
The scriptures themselves prove that Christ is not God.
Colossians 1:15 says that Christ is the Firstborn of every CREATURE. He is a created being, the only-begotten SON of the One True God, Yahweh.
Scripture also tells us that He was a successful savior and will reconcile the entire universe back to His Father with no created beings lost.
Eternal torment is a lie of religion / Satan.
Romans 5:18
Colossians 1:20
1 corinthians 15:21-28
1 timothy 4:10
Kenosis!
Jesus is God's son, not Almighty God himself.
Amen! I couldn't see you put on the viel on the account of your shiny forehead. (yes that's a bald joke or jab) -ha
Jesus limited himself
Jesus is the Son of God or God the Son. There was no trinity in the beginning. There was only God: Elohim. Elohim is plural for God but He is not merely three. He is a Kingdom of Spirits. Angels are spirits: elohim.
When Elohim said, Let There Be Light! Or, Light Become! Or literally, Light Be!
Elohim became Yahweh (Genesis 2:4) and His Words became The Light of the world. John 8:12 And, the angels were the fallout from the explosion of His Voice.
Did Jesus exist as a separate person before the creation of the universe? Was he glorified by the father or did he have his own independent glory? If he existed as a separate person, doesn't it make him different from god? What was the purpose of a separate person before incarnation in the world? After going to heaven after crucifixion, does he still exist as a separate person or has he merged with the father and ceased existing? Lot of confusion about the trinity. I am genuinely interested in getting a logical understanding of the trinity. I sometimes wonder if xtianity tried to reconcile the irreconcilable.
There is NO Trinity. The Father is an invisible Spirit that is Holy. He is the Holy Spirit. There is no separate Holy Spirit. And the Father has a visible image. Colossians 1:15. He calls this visible image the WORD. The WORD was with God and the WORD was God from the foundation of the world. John 1:1-18
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. To prove that the Son/Word was with the Father before the earth was formed is found in John 8:58 and 17:5. See also Proverbs 30:4.
God is a Father and His Son!!! There's not 3, just ONE.
Trinity is arguably the most difficult, fully unexplainable concept of Christianity. Yes, Jesus existed as a separate person in Trinity before the creation. And he still exists as a separate person in Trinity. He will return in his human body again.
It’s only irreconcilable when trying to use human logic on God.
God is not human but Spirit and he can’t be explained with our limited logic. All we can do is trying to get glimpse of God’s nature by studying his word and the ways he revealed himself to us.
God showed himself and spoke to Moses in a burning bush, a cloud, and fire and he showed Moses His glory, but covered Moses’ eyes with His own hands so Moses wouldn’t die seeing God’s face (Exodus 33)
God also shows himself to Elijah (1. Kings 19) not in a mighty wind, not in an earthquake, but in a gentle whisper. This time Elijah covered his eyes himself knowing that he would perish seeing God face to face.
There is nothing to reconcile when it’s about Jesus. Jesus is God coming down on earth in human form so we could get a glimpse of God and not perish.
And you will one day recognize Jesus as well, whether it’ll be trembling in fear or with overflowing joy depends on the decision you make here and now.
You saying “xtianity” reveals yourself not as a born again believer, but, I assume, as some kind of Muslim denying Jesus, or an atheist. But that doesn’t make the reality of Jesus death on the cross and his resurrection and ascending to heaven any less real.
@@jan_777 well, human logic. Is there any other type of logic? Do you know "divine" logic? What are its principles. I understand it is your belief, that does not make it true or logical. I am trying to understand how three persons, different existences and one god is reconciled. I asked genuine questions, but you come with just bluster and threat.
How do you know whatever you have written? What evidence do you have? If you don't have any evidence, why another religion with its claims without evidence any less true than yours?
@@MK-lh3xd You better read the Scripture to read about examples how God revealed himself to people in the Old Testament times. Then read *all* of the New Testament, especially Paul’s letters, where you find concise theological argumentation as to why Jesus is the Messiah and how he could be fully God and fully human at the same time. At last you’ll read Revelation where you get a glimpse of what the very end will be like when Jesus returns.
What exactly is your faith if you have any, depending on your answer, I’ll give you a specific answer to what the evidence or the differnce between faith in Jesus and any other religion is.
Jesus was born out of wedlock( i.e. incarnated )
You folks should truly concentrate on something with more substance! For example, how do reindeers fly? LOL... you kids crack me up!
Jesus is the Son of God and comes from God therefore he is divine, but not God. John 1:1 reveals that the Word was God. It doesn't reveal the Word was the Son. Then John 1:14 reveals the Word was made flesh and begotten which means the Word who is God went into the egg of Mary who is a woman and she conceived and had a son. Jesus was made of a woman Gal.4:4. This reveals that Jesus is the Son of God and not God. Jesus came in his Father's name which is THE WORD OF GOD Rev. 19:13 since his Father's name is the WORD John 1:1.
Trust me Muslims know he is god. But they always come up with ways to prove he's not.
Isaiah 43:11 ... I, I AM YAHUAH,
and besides ME
THERE IS NO SAVIOR .
💥EXODUS 20: 1-7💥
Revelation 22:16🤔Isaiah 14:12-14
(jesus IS lucifer)
You go ahead and keep making excuses for Jesus, coz they're gonna keep making excuses for Mohammed and the atheists are gonna keep making excuses for evolution. It goes on and on and on...
I've reached this kind of thought,
and to be honest, now i don't know anymore... just live and let others live also.
@@male20yearsoldhi.
Why do religions exist?
Because the devil looooves endless pointless debates .
God changes form. Loses His mind. Loses His immortality.
Nothing can get worse than this.
If Jesus said he didn't know something, why doubt him?
Making Jesus into God and then coming out with various excuses to explain simple scriptures to mean what they don't say.
For what purpose is the question. To help people with truth or to perpetuate a lie?