Another good example of a native with a prominent Mercury that I meant to mention is Donald Glover / Childish Gambino, who has Virgo rising with Mercury in Virgo, and really exhibits the ability of Mercury to be multi-talented and multifaceted with his various careers as a comedian, actor, singer / rapper, writer, and producer. Who are some other famous people with prominent Mercury placements that you think are a good example of some of the qualities we mentioned in the episode?
Tori Amos has a Mercury in Virgo that rules her MC in Virgo. Besides being a piano prodigy, her lyrics are written in a very specific and cryptic way that can only be parsed through the context of her life and the accompanying music. Her lyrics are also rife with literary references and mythological figures. Her fan base has websites devoted to decoding her songs and their meanings.
Was listening to this at work slowly realizing Jo and I have almost exactly the same chart. I was born a half hour earlier that day. Ascendant at 5 Leo. Crazy!
wow I have the sun,moon, Saturn, mercury and venus my mind is non stop engine ,you have good connections between Mars and Saturn are you rich , do you have good looking, do you love work most of the day do you listen or love poems .
@@asifali-iv4lp Hey, yes I’d say so, my stellium falls in my 8th house, and I gain a lot through people. I own multiple companies which were basically inherited. Good looks is subjective so I don’t know how to answer that. Yes I’m very romantic, I listen to love songs all the time. And I’d say I love working. How about you?
Re-lisisting to this episode made me re-look at a chart from when I was 17 years old, walking home from work, struck by a drunk driver and flew 66ft though the air. Uranus was directly conjunct my natal Mercury, Sun conjunction. I had to learn how to read and write and communicate all over again. A very literal example of Mercury/Uranus transit.
My Mercury is in my Sun sign, Capricorn. This sent me down a whole new rabbit hole. And made so much sense to me. I always latch onto the little things and often ruminate on them. I also have a standing joke that I am a wealth of useless knowledge because I tend to remember small insignificant facts. I learn (absorb) more because of this podcast than from choosing books alone.
1:03:00 My favorite astrology/mythology match: Hermes was the herald (Gemini), and, as Hermes Kthonios, an earthy God who guided souls in the afterlife (Virgo).
Excellent podcast. I am started to appreciate my Virgo rising. I enjoyed the historical perspective and the mercurial analysis of Mercury. Jo is also very clear and the both of you made it great.
I loved all you two said about Mercury, especially in relationship to different planets. When you got to the outer planets, was so sad that you never got to Pluto as I have it exactly conjunct Mercury in the 10th house and was looking forward to hearing about Mercury-Pluto in their aspects. Grateful if you might discuss this one in a future episode, Chris. Everything else was wonderfully enlightening. Thank you Chris and Jo.
Pluto conjunct Mercury is powerful placement where you have in depth understanding beyond surface. strong investigative ability and enjoy alone time to dive in deeper
What I've noticed with Mercury/Pluto aspects is the addition of fixation, which can sometimes manifest as being super inquisitive or detective-minded, and sometimes manifest as hyperfocus. It's a great tool, but can also be quite binding in a way that becomes uncomfortable, and can lean toward obsession and/or compulsion in some cases. However, getting super into things or getting a little obsessed isn't always bad! But Pluto can sometimes make that skill into kind of a knob that's either at 0 or 100. The tricky part is modulating it.
Key words that come to mind for this placement: Psychological responder Dark humor Connection with death work, translations of rebirth, translation of death /trauma Compulsory analysis in what you do in the world, or are known for Understanding motivations of others When two planets were together, it would be thought of as a new energy. A plutonian mercury. It may also speak to an event, changing what you do in the world or how you communicate in what you do.
I recently was thinking about this because i have these 2 planets in a trine. It's different from a conjunction, but i was reminded of Mythology, where Mercury was one of the rare gods who had safe passageway into the Underworld, so you might want to consider how you may be able to delve deeper into the "roads less taken", occult or into the deep psyche for example. You have the mind to get through a lot of what might seem like "nightmares" to other people, but perhaps Mercury grants you the clarity to get through the darkness. Just a thought. But it is a Scooby-Doo type detective ability, so i'm sure you'll find it out eventually! 🤍
Two other components that came to me when listening was Mercury connection to breathe ( air element) and to it connections by telepathy,, ( which is a mental energy sharing ( communication) and different then the feeling watery orientated Moon communication).
42:12 Mercury and Scorpionic Mars giving relentless mental focus feels like one of the truest things about me I've heard in astrology so far. Just yes. That's exactly how I experience it.
Mercury in Libra / 6th House here. A few things I thought to add: You mention Uranus and technology. I believe Uranus is said to be a higher octave of Mercury? Uranus is more of a higher awareness and that tends to come with aquarian ideas like innovation, so I agree that both Mercury and Uranus both relate to technology. Mercury is more about the logic of code as well as the building of a machine through it's individual components, but Uranus relates more to the invention of technology and an artifical intellegence of sorts. On another point, Mercury in masculine signs from my experience tends to present itself more as talkative types, whereas feminine sign mercuries have a tendency to be better listeners that have an internal dialogue. Air mercuries tend to conceptualise and think in the abstract and have a need to communicate that to others whereas earth mercuries are more analytical and discriminating and in reality, which speaks to the two sides of Mercury. Furthermore it's interesting that Mercury has no inherent gender as an objective planet but every sign of the zodiac is either masculine or feminine, so maybe Mercury just doesn't have a exaltation, because a true exaltation of Mercury would be in a sign that is neither masculine nor feminine so as to be good at inner decoding of the world and an ability to express and explore new ideas. So Mercury will always be swayed to a polarity of its sign and can never truly be its full self and play that role. Just my thoughts on that. Anyway, much to think about, brilliant video and inspired a lot of thought! Thank you both for a great in depth look at the topic
Mercury with Saturn makes the detective, the investigator. I was an investigator for a detective agency years ago in my youth and this aspect made me never let go of a puzzling case until it was solved. This Mercury aspect, coupled with Saturn, made me study cases from many angles until the subject is exhausted. Mercury gives me so many ideas and shines the light and gives dimensions to these ideas. Mercury can be like spraying WD40 on a subject. It is a wonderful thought-lubricant!
Virgo rising here with Sun, Mercury, and Venus all in 10th house Gemini. Mercury and Venus are both at 20 degrees and I love working on multiple creative projects at once!
Very cool! I'm also a Virgo rising but with Mercury rx in Taurus and the Sun, Jupiter, and Venus all in the 10th WSH of Gemini! I work as a copyeditor for a vegan lifestyle blog and also do photography and love to write and use my voice in various ways (I LIVE for karaoke and concerts).
I learned so much from this Podcast. I am learning astrology and refer to this channel on a regular basis to get a deeper conceptual clarity. In Vedic astrology (a.k.a Parashari) we refer to Sun as significator of Astrology. Mercury is definitely needed for astrology as it gives logic and flair for calculations, however, it lacks intuition. Alongside Mercury, good Jupiter is also seen.
I have Gemini rising and the Sun in Virgo. Mercury is conjunct Jupiter in Libra. I laughed out loud at 1.37 when Jo said "it's like when the therapist asks where do you feel this in the body". I remember looking at my therapist blankly when I was asked this and replied " I can tell you what I think I feel".
Great episode. I have Mercury retro in Aries at birth squared my Neptune and Uranus conjunction. That has manifested into music making, classical musician career, composition and writing poetry! Even though square it has made me work the Mercury energy really well into profound, authentic communication through arts. I think that kind of thinking has also helped me to understand and learn astrology well.
I’m fairly new to astrology. I’ve had a six week class and done a couple workbooks but when you talked about astrology being in depth layers, with multiple threads and parts being very mercurial….and also how intense and complex it is as a new learner . Yes! 😂👍🙏🏻🙏🏻 grateful for this podcast. I’ve decided to start at the beginning of the planets and move my way through that way for a while. 👍👍
Enjoyed this concise and clear discussion. My merc is in sag in 11th. Have been drawn into heated discussions in politics and religion, but am mostly into spirituality. I never intend for it to get negative, and related to the part about changing directions. Grand daughter is virgo and has detective abilities, I can relate to as Scorpio. My mom was gem with Virgo moon, a small but muscular swimmer, and I relate to her as a hummingbird. Also loved her teaching me to swim in the ocean at 3. She was expert teacher, and the one time I swam way out past " undertow" , there was a shark alert and I was the only one left out in the water. Needless to say, I swam the fastest I ever have. And still have all parts, so far. This was a very mind enriching podcast and I thank you for all your hard work. Sometimes the details lead to much mind expansion! God bless! And hope you continue these podcasts! ( saving the planet one planet at a time!)
I have a tight t-square with mercury in Taurus, mars in Leo and Saturn in Aquarius. In the right situation, I love cursing. More to say as it is my second Saturn return right now. Ready for next spring. Thanks for all the great work.
Another great episode. I am loving chewing through these planet episodes. I had to chuckle at the Uranus discussion because of what happening in the Uranus episode with Rick Levine...uranus on the asc :) . that was actually the episode that literally pulled me into this series. thank you so much
I can confirm that as an early Gemini Mercury does indeed affect the shoulders, hands, joints etc. AND the gob, to be sure! Really love those birdies on the wall in the background! 🤭🙋👍
One thing about Uranus is that it tends to be more of like a paradigmatic system shift. Mercury jumps all around within a system and understands, taking apart that system relying often on logic. Uranus on the other hand tends to bring about a new paradigm. It disrupts existing logical axioms or brings about entirely new axioms. So it disrupts the system of logic itself while Mercury really appreciates being within logic.
I think the thing that is interesting about mercury retrograde ( or any retrograde really) is to reconceptualize it that it isn't the planet that is retrograde, it is our perception of the the things represented by that planet that is retrograde. We are retrograde, not the planet.
I have Mercury and Venus conjunct (4 min) in my Pisces 7th. I actually try to paint a picture with my communication style. I also think in pictures and colors. Listening to a lecture, I actually "see" the words as if I were reading a book. Additionally, speaking toward the signification of slyness for Mercury. Gurdjieff's "Fourth Way" comes to mind. Whereas the yogi, monk, fakir use considerable effort and make a big deal of wearing down their attachments to become enlightened; the sly man does it instantaneously without reservation or notice. For example, "If you’re going to leave town and you owe lots of money, you know, you mustn’t announce that you’re leaving or give a farewell party to your friends, because the grocer will find out. So the art of the sly man is to make no contest, but simply to leave without one word. In other words, that’s the meaning of wú wéi in the technical vocabulary of Taoism. Wú wéi: not to interfere, not to force things. That’s the best translation of wú wéi: “not to force things.” But so, he just drops it like that. But in this respect, you see, you’re your own worst enemy. Because even if you serve notice privately on yourself that suddenly you’re going to drop it all, already the devil knows-because who do you think the devil is?"
Love this episode! I’m a medical interpreter which involves fast thinking and speaking. My mercury is in the second house co-present with mars in Aquarius. Gemini sixth house (sickness) and tenth house libra (the other person).
I love the way the words in ancient mythology are the words used interchangeably with the subject studied. Like Snowden’s descendant is USA’s ascendant. And that’s why I like to look up in many books details of charts.
There is a great rapport of both personalities in this episode. Dare I say Chris looks like he is actually having fun.... must be the astrology. My poor Mercury is working so hard, I can feel it at times. Exaggeration, but that rides well with my Sagi stellium with a combust Mercury in detriment, all in the 3rd house so an accidental dignity? Night chart. My school life from 6 till 16 was a nightmare and one to be endured, but 2 University degrees later, I find out I am actually dyslexic and probably with an ADHD - inattentive type brain. Blew my mind when looking at the significations of Mercury. I am going to look at my secondary progressed chart, to see if any of my educational break throughs match up. Like when I eventually learnt to read. Jo reminds me of a dear friend of mine. OMG she is an intellectual beast, her brain is fascinating. From D.I.Y. to yoga to PhD's to child rearing to Plant life and the list goes on. Virgo rising with Sun stellium in the 3rd in Scorpio... if I needed to dispose of a body, I swear she would leave no trace. Great episode... Ima have to listen to the next half another time.
This was a fantastic talk and I thoroughly enjoyed diving into the significations of Mercury in its fall/detriment (in Pisces) as this is the case in my chart. My natal Mercury is the ruler of my Lot of Daimon/Spirit, so it plays a fairly prominent role in my spiritual life. It is in Pisces in the 6th house and squares my natal Saturn in Sag. (by whole sign, not by degree). As a small child I struggled with a series of developmental delays and sensory processing disorders (especially with my capacity to comprehend auditory stimuli). This is a challenge as a classically-trained musician, but one I have learned to work with over the years. My relationship with my natal Mercury placement is quite complex and I see where it is in detriment squaring Saturn through these childhood challenges but I've really come to embrace my Piscean Mercury. I am an amateur opera singer and at least like to think I have a beautiful voice. :) This seems rather Piscean to me. I also have learned to embrace the ways in which my mind wanders in rather unpredictable streams of thought...my Piscean "meandering musings" (if you will). Thanks for this! It was a way of reframing the concept of essential dignities and not demonizing planets in fall/detriment...In some ways, it has been very rewarding (in the long run) to have my Mercury in detriment because I have really had to work hard to master my communication style...Sometimes I think things that are initially challenging for us end up being our greatest skills and/or gifts to the world.
This was absolutely fascinating to listen to as a Gemini rising with Mercury & Venus in Cancer and Mars in Virgo!! I also have Neptune & Uranus conjunction opposite my Mercury, but the trine to Pluto is strongest. Last year I tuned into Jason Holley's webinar thru Astrology University on Mercury which was SO profound as a Mercury ruled person and astrologer. Great info in conjunction with this podcast episode.
Revisiting the planet series, I have no intent of comments. I figured I would here because I’m choosing to spend more time learning more about the guests. Different interviews, topics of their focus. Jo’s frustrating because I want to check more out on the 12th house where I don’t want to go off in another direction not being in a “house” mood right now. I’ll pile up too much reading material. I definitely want to because I found myself listening to this reading multiple 12th house interpretations just through searches where it reignited my “12th interpretations are a mess” passion. Not all bad, just mental checklists of “yes, yes, no, oh.. that’s awful and that’s downright unethical, that’s great and needs expanded on…” I feel like Jo has a great view that can clear up that mess. The good are really good, areas I never thought about. One piece mentioned Avelar stating Venus can be a co-signifier by “vice” where there was mild miss reading on the depth that was self admitted. My Mercury 12th may show here as ascendant ruler. Vices of Venus, yes, they can show up there. The “bed pleasures” interpretation of the 12th can be needing more sleep than usual and various Venusian overindulgences like sex even as fantasy. Alcohol and smoking? I don’t drink and knew right away that it would be problematic because it lifts the Leo with sun Leo 12th burden off the back. That caution was learned by how easily nicotine can be addictive due to Mercury in 12th retrograde 2 degrees from sun where the stimulant/depressant effect helps focus and clearer thinking. Definitely a 12th house Vice. Other vices can show where I don’t have many of the issues having the ruler of the 12th in 12th which humorously equate to the 7 deadly sins. Everyone has a 12th, everyone has coping mechanisms that if overindulged can have significant negative impacts. I could write a 1,000 page book on the 12th, the problem is it needs to be under 50 pages large font. Deep diving into astrology is definitely being done in a Mercury way where I’m eventually breaking it apart to reassemble it for some unknown reason. It could break away into a completely different subject. I want as many voices stating their case to avoid unintentional “deception”. The only thing so far that sets off sirens and red flags is when it’s stated astrology is a vessel for pushing an agenda and it’s not wrong to do so because it happens anyways. Yes, but not on purpose. Using this method is probably a blessing for everyone because that Mercury (along with other placements) have someone so frustrated they’d run out of a room screaming. Example: one of the interviews I listened to with Jo, the topic of reincarnation and choosing this life came up where it was said that no one would choose to die by police brutality. Mercury activating would say it’s making an unknown assumption using philosophical absurdism in the vein of former justice Scalia relating gay marriage as a gateway to marrying pets. The most famous case of reincarnation in western culture is the pilot who died on a drill to be reincarnated recalling that life. He became friends with his former troops and grew up to be a military pilot again. It’s less clear when you get into the role of a military pilot is to actually kill, not to mention that in order to live it’s necessary to feed off of death. This gets into gnostic philosophy that the world is imperfect and potentially evil, not going there. But if reincarnation is true, the feeling of existential importance of this one life may not be all that true. It may not be as consequential as we think, but diving into nihilism isn’t useful because you have to be born again into the world your legacy helped build. But like the myth of er, it may not be that we pick our fate. This pilot who died probably had no choice or will in that matter, but that purpose could be the same as Er to relay a message. We’ve become more material as a culture, these widespread NDE’s and reincarnation cases could be just a nudge to get others attention looking for an answer. Overall. I’d have to see more on the upset argument about choosing life. If you can’t see anything good in your life you’d want to experience you probably have bigger problems than just that astrological interpretation. I wouldn’t define a life by how someone died. Yet, I completely understand the argument because some astrologers say anyone with a 12th house placement is being karmically punished which is more absurd to say. An unspoken joke when reading things that my Mercury being in retrograde in the 12th with sun in Leo etc… “I’m being punished for words out of ego so on, so forth..” I was probably an astrologer in the past who made up that unethical interpretation. It’s a weird paradox! I don’t see the 12th being piscean, especially because I see more to support Jupiter ruling pisces and that’s definitely not a Jupiter house. Saturn makes a ton of sense, but the Neptune similarity and saying the pisces association is this is a fair statement. With biases, especially cultural, we are so extroverted and honestly selfish where I can see why this house is viewed with so much doom and gloom along with horrible judgment. It’d make sense if you baked Saturn and Venus together you may get Neptune. I’ve probably mentioned before that having moon in the 6th is something I’d argue about but it’s dependent on how the 6th is described. It’s possible the 6th, 8th, and 12th are very misunderstood where they’re just not that relatable to anyone. I’m intrigued planet wise where I feel like Saturn and Pluto have been cross bred where neither (in modern) actually mean what they should. Tracking transits with lots hit by uranus, I’m siding more and more with the Prometheus argument. I think it was said Jo is the current president or vice of the young astrologers group. I bet that’s rough. Just because there seems to be more generational in fighting compared to, say, my generation. Harder with just a theme of astrology. I can die at any moment, I definitely plan to never die. But as I’ve aged I don’t fear it. I do look at youth as wasted in ways because I allowed myself to be diverted by the same things young people are experiencing now. My point would be I’ll likely have a hard time during this process of diving more into the guests in this series because I’ll be listening to younger podcasters constantly doing that inner conversation of “… well, that’s not … this is….” There’s enough content on houses and I’m really excited about the upcoming signs series. It would be great if Jo was back on just for a 12th house focus that just deals with more proper (healthy) interpretations. I’ll argue malefic’s are malefic’s just because trying to make them too positive can possibly blindside someone. If someone views mars as being an ideal positive they may express it negatively feeling empowered to do so. Emphasis on malefic is just a balance. The 12th is backwards in some cases. It has positives that are just challenging to get through. Rambling. Just surprised because I didn’t expect to dive in to find 12th house subjects. Pleasant surprise.
Conversation around 01:30:00 the separation of mind & body - this resonated viscerally. Like with NDE; near death experiences. Messages ppl receive. Or in survival modes, the mind goes somewhere else.
Great episode, I was waiting for the Mercury one! I'm a Virgo rising with Mercury in Gemini conjunct the MC in my 10th house. I can do anything for about three months, then I'm bored to tears and have to move on to something new. Absolutely obsessed with learning new things, I absorb everything like a sponge.
The sun and mercury thing with the inner dialogue and what you actually end up saying or communicating makes so much sense. I have a Mercury Sag (so debilitated) and people always seem to think what I have to say is so positive, uplifting and philosophical. Even if at times it also comes off very ideological and too grande lol But my Sun is in Scorpio, with my Rising sign and I have my Moon in the 8 H, meaning my inner dialogue is like super deep and dark, and I often end up in very depressing scenarios when I‘m ok my own. But only the closest people know me in this way. It‘s like first people meet my rising, and think I‘m very snobbish and reserved, then they see I‘m super easy to talk to only to find out that indeed internally I am also very deep and dark haha Also My Mercury is opposing my Moon in Gemini, which does genuinly make it hard to get my feelings across when I talk
I was hoping you’d get into houses because I always like hearing others perspective on Mercury in the 12th. Virgo ascendant, Mercury in Leo (r) 12th conjunct sun and Saturn where Saturn is in virgo either 12th or 1st depending on preferred method. Some other minor aspects like with Jupiter (semi-sextile) and I think a midheaven sextile. I’m kinda glad Neptune trines sun but just misses Mercury now. However, putting Neptune into words to communicate it is actually difficult to do which is why I enjoyed being pointed to Jung (reluctantly) and Campbell. I enjoyed the Saturn part because this is a detail that can be smelled 1,000,000 miles away and what I can be notorious for. Throw in the libra plus sun in opposite sign of moon the contrarianism has no limits. Debates? I don’t enjoy them, but friends would start topics of the week just because they knew I could get lured into them enjoying the carnage from a distance. My saying is “the truth has no holes in it” and any idealism is picked at like a child first discovering bubble wrap on Christmas morning. Prior to watching/listening to your Richard Tarnas episode I came across another interview where Tarnas later was asked about Jordan Peterson who’s like an imaginary mortal enemy; I was impressed by his gracefulness where it’s a near tie with Gabor Mate in addressing him where Tarnas gets the kindness award. I actually referenced every single Peterson citation side by side by the actual quotes of those he cited where maybe 80% of his references stated the opposite of what Peterson said. It’s a stressful placement in that Leo isn’t exactly wanting to me meticulous, but I’m learning to tone it down because Saturn has its good points, but it’s also a sure way to never get anything done. I eventually learned that, even if things are perfectly crafted in communication, others can take it and see/hear/read whatever they want so it doesn’t matter how “perfect” it is. Saturn, however, can be brutal and I’m slowly learning to tone it down. Tarnas has a good point that Jung was a product of his time, but that also includes that Jung viewed things individually and collectively; it’s important to state that he was clear we can be as individualized as we want, but we also need to cooperate with agreed upon “norms” and we can debate what those are. Pure individualism is anarchy and the irony is individualism is co-dependent on being defined by the other. We’re all unique by default. Part of me wants to list off Saturn and Mercury examples, but they can be off the rails. It can seem like a devils advocate in cases if it’s just about responsibility in communication which is why I don’t like Peterson. However, I looked at his chart recently and noticed he has Saturn directly on his south node which… he’s having an experience. I was hoping for more on Mercury retrograde, but I found there’s one on this specifically right under this one so.. my Mercury is very unpredictable/erratic and almost always non linear. I had issues in youth with the Saturn/Mercury where I wouldn’t write again and my Saturn return actually had a major car accident that caused bone damage where I developed a minor off/on lisp which I’m about to get fixed which forced me to write again. Enjoyable episode, just too short.
I have mercury as lord of the 6th in the 8th in scorpio in bad dignity. I have experienced these possible related symptoms in my life: As a child I needed minor tongue surgery and speech therapy for several years. I am a terrible speller. I have TMJ. I have had chronic pelvic floor dysfunction for 20 years which involves nerve pain. I have hyperhydrosis on my hands (gemini). Fun times.
I have a Leo Rising with a Virgo Sun/Mercury cazimi and a Virgo Venus - definitely feel what Jo said. The Leo is there but the Mercury definitely gets emphasized. It’s what I lead with and what people tend to see first.
Virgo Sun Mars conjunction in 10th squaring my Gemini Saturn in the 7th. Sun & Mercury in (weak) mutual reception. Mercury exact trine to Jupiter in 1st. Love that you are going in depth with Mercury!
This is my favorite episode released in a while. I love the others, but this one was especially enlightening for me in many regards but especially to my natal chart. You definitely Jupiter’d my conceptualization of Mercury, which was actually very Mercury of the both of us. 😂
I have a Virgo sun, moon and mercury. My mum said she gave me a doll as a small child, when she came back into the room the doll was in pieces… my mum asked me what I was doing … I replied “I want to see how it goes together”
I have a Sun/Mercury conjunction that has an orb of ten minutes. And the interesting thing about hearing you speak of the Sun as the inner speech and Mercury as the messenger of that is that i always talk to myself even in my own head. I tend to have socratic dialogue with myself about everything,
I'm too poor to sign up for AYA right now-I'm hoping this changes for me soon-but, in the future Chris, if you want to discuss Uranus with me on the podcast I'd probably be your best bet: I'm an Aquarius sun with an entire Aquarius stellium in the 8th house, and I've been an astrologer for almost 12 years. Don't pass me up! I don't read professionally for moral reasons (i hate money in general), but I definitely have. I've also been a student of the Chinese Zodiac as well as Buddhism & Hinduism.
I almost forgot to mention my Pisces stellium-but this is probably futile anyway and you're probably dismissing this as you read it because why wouldn't you? Everyone does! I'll try till i die
I have a Mercury Mars conjunction in 8th house Leo and I totally relate to the swearing part 😂😂 "words as weapons" really is a thing, too. Especially in younger years, I was completely unaware of the impact my words had on people until I learned to control it.
AstroDatabank's collection of Philosophers' charts reveals some interesting placements regarding Mercury in the natal chart. There is a preponderance of Mercury retrograde and/or under the beams, and/or Epimethean (night star). Mercury is often also in hard aspect to its dispositor and/or Jupiter and/or Saturn. Mercury is also often in hard aspect to Mars. So, these factors seem to enhance Mercury's qualities and service to the Sun.
oh wow. my sibling’s natal Mercury has every single one of the conditions listed above & sure enough, we often joke about how they’re a natural born Philosopher…could easily have talked circles around Socrates as a kid 😂
I've got a major 6h placidus stellium with mercury and nearly all the major asteroids there too. It's ruled by Libra but I definitely resonate with the Virgo archetype and 6h themes big time. This was a good connecting point for me to understanding myself so much better. Really looking forward to this episode, thank you! 😊
I don't have an accurate birth time for her, but my paternal grandmother was a Virgo sun and stellium, and a Libra moon. The older I get and tap into my 6h themes as the primary story of my life, the more I am told by my paternal relatives how much I remind them of her. Hope to obtain a birth time for her one day, but if not a chart rectification would be so fascinating.
Mercury Chart ruled here! Having Mercury ruled Gemini as my Rising, Moon, Mars, and frickin CHIRON is tough. I also have Mercury IN Taurus (which is also my Sun), so I have this weird contradiction with the Air and Earth type of Mercury situation. Lol #geministellium #mercuryruledfordays
@theastrologypodcast I cannot believe that I discovered this podcast recently, and not sooner. Looove your approach. Have your book and am gonna dive deep soon. My mercury confuses me. I have noticed the whole sign system works better, but I combine it with placidus. So my Mercury is in gemini 10 degrees (conjuncting 5th house cusp in placidus and in 6th house whole sign system). It is in exact opposition to my moon 10 degrees saggitarius (10th house and conjuncts 11th house cusp in placidus and 12th house whole sign system AND MOON CONJUNCTS URANUS (3 degrees IN SAGG neptune retrograde is there to but ot of orb). Then my mercury trines SATURN retrograde in LIBRA (16 degrees, in 8th house placidus, 10th house whole sign...mars and pluto are there too, both retrogrades). AND it sextile venus in Aries (6 degrees 2nd house placidus, 4th house Whole sign). I am a capp rising. And I struggle with my mercury. I want to know everything and immedeatly i aread books paralaly but nothing stays in my head. I have been into astrology and tarot and read soooomany books but I dont write anything because it is difficult fpr me to stay focused for so long on one theme. so I switch constantly not ending anything..I thought the saturn will ground my persue of knowledge but it is not hapening. long term comitment to serious study is a hassle..but going through bits and pieces about everything..that is me. But when I see how much time I invest in going from theme to theme, and nothing really stays long term It bothers me. :-) hahaha. Also critical in how much I have to learn more and it overwhelms me. Like I am never gonna learn it as I whish to (astrology for example). emotions coloring the abilty to either asimilate knowledge or not being able to asimilate. some astrologers told me that I will write a book and signing them a copy, but i just dont see it hapening.hahaha. Thank you for this. It has been wonderful and chalk full of knowledge.
Just finished watching your Saturn video, you mentioned people love your videos because of Saturn and hate it because of Saturn. As someone who’s very mercurial - 4 Virgo stellium with Mars and MC in Gemini I absolutely enjoy the insightful, well researched content. Also - wouldn’t Uranus be an high octave of mercury then. Since they operate so similarly.
WOW. So I have Mercury Conjunct Mars to the degree, in Taurus in 4th. I have noticed that I am patient in arguments, but when I am pushed to the limit I EXPLODE. It is so interesting how I go from 0 to 100 so quickly. I will be so quiet and receptive, but when they say something annoying I get angry, loud, swear and I fight with my words. My anger in debates and arguments happens so quickly that I only realize I blew up after the argument is over. With it being in the 4th, almost ALL of my most heated debates and arguments have been with my parents, sister or roommates! I kinda like my mars/mercury conjunction because I am so assertive and I will fight for what's right. I have dealt with racist and homophobic family members and I would always argue against them passionately. But yes, I've noticed that I have a fiery and sharp tongue and would sometimes need to apologize after. :)
Another super mercurial was Prince multifaceted composer and multiinstrumentalist that explored many different musical styles and mediums . He used to have many aliases as well and many times paralell works ,recordings etc Sun mercury in Gemini in 8th as he made himself famous composing and interpreting about taboo topics .(scorpio rising) And his character in Batman as he composed the films bso was "Gemini" . I think he has a very intersting chart with many dignified planets Aries Mars ,Taurus venus , Piscis moon .. (Sorry my english is not very good plus I have Mercury R + saturn conjunct Ic in cancer 😒😁🤷 night chart )
Prince had a Mars second to no one's Mars. It was practically functioning at 95-100% dignity. Any planet his Mars aspected glowed up including his north node, Jupiter, etc.
Yep, my mind and communication (especially writing) is usually at lightning speed, it can be really overwhelming, the huge surges of mental energy, and you are right, it's almost too much for the human body (and I have to be so careful to not burn out and overload my/others brain and senses!) Mercury aquarius in 9th house Capricorn. Geminis often way overstimulate me, they jump topics way too randomly, and I prefer to go deep, and I really dislike not being listened to. I do love the fast interaction with them though, the wit and the laughs (in small doses these days)
I Loved learning more about Mercury. I’m always curious to see where Mercury is in a persons chart. My Mercury is in cancer square Pluto. What might that mean? Is it similar to a hard aspect like Saturn?
Libra (scales) is part of Scorpio’s Claws and the alter is the final judgement at the stinger of Scorpio and the tip of the arrow of Sagittarius. Libra, Late fall going into early winter(Scorpio). All apart of the death -resurrection-conception and rebirth phase of a cycle.
Moon in Gemini, Uranus/Pluto in Virgo. Mars conjunct Mercury in Capricorn midheaven, SN sextile Neptune in Scorpio. 17° is prominent. Moon in YOD with Neptune and Mercury conjunct Mars. I enjoy comments on what others think of this YOD. I'm a Taurus Ascendent 1°. Second YOD Venus/Jupiter inconjunct Uranus/Pluto and Neptune. Aries, Virgo and Scorpio.
Sag Rx Mercury closely trine Cancer Mars by degree-can confirm I curse out the wazoo (around people I know well). Also will have to check out progressed Mercury station changes, thank you!
First of all: I've been learning *so much* listening to those videos and podcast episodes on Spotify, THANK YOU for sharing all of this content for free, it's incredible. (Around 40:00) You keep mentioning Eminem's placements and I'm listening carefully cause my sun is in Libra (22°), and then in Scorpio I've got Mars (0°) and Mercury (3°) XD
I'm confused...I have Virgo rising, In your video, 42:48 stating mars ruling the 3rd house. What do you mean? Like, I have Virgo Rising 29 degrees 1st house, Leo sun in the 12th house, Mercury in Cancer in the 11th house, and Mars in Libra in the 2nd house. What am I not seeing here? Thank you!
Another great episode, thank you! Having Mercury and Saturn Conjoined in my 8th WSH of Taurus... Money always stresses me out.. I mean I know it does for everyone, but it is the only thing that ever stresses me out of all the areas of life I guess you could say. And maybe it is Jupiter in my 1st house of Libra, it always seems to work out... or work out enough, that the stress can go away and things can get back to a normal-ish state again. IDK, but I truly appreciated this episode.
Your subconscious remembers your losses, Jupiter in Libra is a life of justices in partnerships. Being overly prideful or independent could sabatage you in getting what is rightly yours even if in this life it doesn't make sense. 💚
@@debracottrill7989 Thank you so much for this wonderful insight! I definitely can see the independent side, which i guess would also make me prideful, because of past hurts n this lifetime as well. "I don't need anyone's help... who me, asking for help.. never! I can do it on my own. " ha ha... ugh! But ever since the Saturn- Jupiter conjunction (In my 5th/Aqu) I've really had a mental shift, for the better, and am trying to reach out more and find my community, instead of being the Loner. And finding the positive of what can be perceived originally as a negative. Thank you again for reaching out!💜
Another good example of a native with a prominent Mercury that I meant to mention is Donald Glover / Childish Gambino, who has Virgo rising with Mercury in Virgo, and really exhibits the ability of Mercury to be multi-talented and multifaceted with his various careers as a comedian, actor, singer / rapper, writer, and producer. Who are some other famous people with prominent Mercury placements that you think are a good example of some of the qualities we mentioned in the episode?
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Would Prince be a good example? His life and musical journey seemed very mercurial.
Tupac shakur, Joan rivers, Josephine baker
I wish I could find Tupac's birth time, his aspects seem interesting- ironically, looking this up just now... today is his birthday 🎂
Tori Amos has a Mercury in Virgo that rules her MC in Virgo. Besides being a piano prodigy, her lyrics are written in a very specific and cryptic way that can only be parsed through the context of her life and the accompanying music. Her lyrics are also rife with literary references and mythological figures. Her fan base has websites devoted to decoding her songs and their meanings.
What a lovely person to represent mercury, she is exactly like one would imagine a "mercurial" character: young, witty, smart and bold 🙂.
Interesting you say “lovely” I picked up a Venus in Virgo vibe from her
Edit: or even Mercury in Libra
At 5:52 "Mercury covers a lot of ground" .... a huge understatement.
I broke a really big thermometer 45 years ago. The Mercury went everywhere.
#Astrolology #AstrologyDadJokes
@@FreemanPresson I'm good at dadjokes but this was a real event. And l was in deep shit with the teacher.
Uranium and Uranus ✨🤯
@@Jack8888. Plutonium and Pluto
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Was listening to this at work slowly realizing Jo and I have almost exactly the same chart. I was born a half hour earlier that day. Ascendant at 5 Leo. Crazy!
😮 I am a Gemini Asc - 🌞 ♌️ - Mercury, Mars and Venus ♍️, 🌚 ♏️- Saturn ♑️ - Jupiter ♋️
Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and north node all in Gemini. I think Mercury rules my life.
wow I have the sun,moon, Saturn, mercury and venus my mind is non stop engine ,you have good connections between Mars and Saturn are you rich , do you have good looking, do you love work most of the day do you listen or love poems .
@@asifali-iv4lp Hey, yes I’d say so, my stellium falls in my 8th house, and I gain a lot through people. I own multiple companies which were basically inherited. Good looks is subjective so I don’t know how to answer that. Yes I’m very romantic, I listen to love songs all the time. And I’d say I love working. How about you?
mines in leo cant even go in the sun makes me laugh
Omg, I have my moon, Mars and Mercury in Gemini, but you topped that for once
@Jojo Moa Dramatic, exaggerated, odd, uncomfortable, weird, so on and so forth, and clearly available.
This was such a lovely, interesting episode and I'm super excited for Jo to join in on the next forecast!
Re-lisisting to this episode made me re-look at a chart from when I was 17 years old, walking home from work, struck by a drunk driver and flew 66ft though the air. Uranus was directly conjunct my natal Mercury, Sun conjunction. I had to learn how to read and write and communicate all over again. A very literal example of Mercury/Uranus transit.
WOW! Hope you ok now, and that the driver received proper justice! 🙏⚖️🙏
My Mercury is in my Sun sign, Capricorn. This sent me down a whole new rabbit hole. And made so much sense to me. I always latch onto the little things and often ruminate on them. I also have a standing joke that I am a wealth of useless knowledge because I tend to remember small insignificant facts. I learn (absorb) more because of this podcast than from choosing books alone.
42:11 shout out to my fellow Virgo risings! 🙌
What what!
1:03:00 My favorite astrology/mythology match: Hermes was the herald (Gemini), and, as Hermes Kthonios, an earthy God who guided souls in the afterlife (Virgo).
Excellent podcast. I am started to appreciate my Virgo rising. I enjoyed the historical perspective and the mercurial analysis of Mercury. Jo is also very clear and the both of you made it great.
I loved all you two said about Mercury, especially in relationship to different planets. When you got to the outer planets,
was so sad that you never got to Pluto as I have it exactly conjunct Mercury in the 10th house and was looking forward to hearing about Mercury-Pluto in their aspects. Grateful if you might discuss this one in a future episode, Chris. Everything else was wonderfully enlightening. Thank you Chris and Jo.
Pluto conjunct Mercury is powerful placement where you have in depth understanding beyond surface. strong investigative ability and enjoy alone time to dive in deeper
What I've noticed with Mercury/Pluto aspects is the addition of fixation, which can sometimes manifest as being super inquisitive or detective-minded, and sometimes manifest as hyperfocus. It's a great tool, but can also be quite binding in a way that becomes uncomfortable, and can lean toward obsession and/or compulsion in some cases. However, getting super into things or getting a little obsessed isn't always bad! But Pluto can sometimes make that skill into kind of a knob that's either at 0 or 100. The tricky part is modulating it.
Key words that come to mind for this placement:
Psychological responder
Dark humor
Connection with death work, translations of rebirth, translation of death /trauma
Compulsory analysis in what you do in the world, or are known for
Understanding motivations of others
When two planets were together, it would be thought of as a new energy. A plutonian mercury.
It may also speak to an event, changing what you do in the world or how you communicate in what you do.
I recently was thinking about this because i have these 2 planets in a trine. It's different from a conjunction, but i was reminded of Mythology, where Mercury was one of the rare gods who had safe passageway into the Underworld, so you might want to consider how you may be able to delve deeper into the "roads less taken", occult or into the deep psyche for example. You have the mind to get through a lot of what might seem like "nightmares" to other people, but perhaps Mercury grants you the clarity to get through the darkness. Just a thought. But it is a Scooby-Doo type detective ability, so i'm sure you'll find it out eventually! 🤍
These offerings are so rich in information and inspiration and so very generous! Thank you 🙏🏾
Jo, girl your eyebrow game is FIERCE!!! Hello from a fellow ♌ rising, ♍ stellium. Love this discussion. More Jo please 🙏🏻!!!
Two other components that came to me when listening was Mercury connection to breathe ( air element) and to it connections by telepathy,, ( which is a mental energy sharing ( communication) and different then the feeling watery orientated Moon communication).
42:12 Mercury and Scorpionic Mars giving relentless mental focus feels like one of the truest things about me I've heard in astrology so far. Just yes. That's exactly how I experience it.
Great episode and great chemistry between the two.
What a fun, useful, discussion! Thank you both - psyched that Jo is going to do the July forecast with you!
Thank you, Chris, appreciate your planet series...great interview.
Such an informative video. Mercury is my chart ruler in esoteric astrology. Thank you for all the astrological wisdom you share with the collective🌅
Mercury in Libra / 6th House here.
A few things I thought to add:
You mention Uranus and technology. I believe Uranus is said to be a higher octave of Mercury? Uranus is more of a higher awareness and that tends to come with aquarian ideas like innovation, so I agree that both Mercury and Uranus both relate to technology. Mercury is more about the logic of code as well as the building of a machine through it's individual components, but Uranus relates more to the invention of technology and an artifical intellegence of sorts.
On another point, Mercury in masculine signs from my experience tends to present itself more as talkative types, whereas feminine sign mercuries have a tendency to be better listeners that have an internal dialogue.
Air mercuries tend to conceptualise and think in the abstract and have a need to communicate that to others whereas earth mercuries are more analytical and discriminating and in reality, which speaks to the two sides of Mercury.
Furthermore it's interesting that Mercury has no inherent gender as an objective planet but every sign of the zodiac is either masculine or feminine, so maybe Mercury just doesn't have a exaltation, because a true exaltation of Mercury would be in a sign that is neither masculine nor feminine so as to be good at inner decoding of the world and an ability to express and explore new ideas. So Mercury will always be swayed to a polarity of its sign and can never truly be its full self and play that role. Just my thoughts on that.
Anyway, much to think about, brilliant video and inspired a lot of thought! Thank you both for a great in depth look at the topic
Mercury, Mars, Neptune conjunct in Sag, 1st house is looking a little more defined thanks to this episode. Deepest appreciations for this channel!
Mercury with Saturn makes the detective, the investigator. I was an investigator for a detective agency years ago in my youth and this aspect made me never let go of a puzzling case until it was solved. This Mercury aspect, coupled with Saturn, made me study cases from many angles until the subject is exhausted. Mercury gives me so many ideas and shines the light and gives dimensions to these ideas. Mercury can be like spraying WD40 on a subject. It is a wonderful thought-lubricant!
She's so pretty, tuning in!
Virgo rising here with Sun, Mercury, and Venus all in 10th house Gemini. Mercury and Venus are both at 20 degrees and I love working on multiple creative projects at once!
Very cool! I'm also a Virgo rising but with Mercury rx in Taurus and the Sun, Jupiter, and Venus all in the 10th WSH of Gemini! I work as a copyeditor for a vegan lifestyle blog and also do photography and love to write and use my voice in various ways (I LIVE for karaoke and concerts).
I learned so much from this Podcast. I am learning astrology and refer to this channel on a regular basis to get a deeper conceptual clarity. In Vedic astrology (a.k.a Parashari) we refer to Sun as significator of Astrology. Mercury is definitely needed for astrology as it gives logic and flair for calculations, however, it lacks intuition. Alongside Mercury, good Jupiter is also seen.
I really love that you guys were reflecting on Mercury during a Mercury retrograde. It seems perfect to do such a reflection during its retrograde.
I have Gemini rising and the Sun in Virgo. Mercury is conjunct Jupiter in Libra. I laughed out loud at 1.37 when Jo said "it's like when the therapist asks where do you feel this in the body". I remember looking at my therapist blankly when I was asked this and replied " I can tell you what I think I feel".
Thank you! So enjoying what you share. Learning a lot! ❤️🙏❤️
I loved this as a Mercury-dominant person with a Virgo stellium. I can't wait to see what you do with the Saturn episode!
Great episode. I have Mercury retro in Aries at birth squared my Neptune and Uranus conjunction. That has manifested into music making, classical musician career, composition and writing poetry! Even though square it has made me work the Mercury energy really well into profound, authentic communication through arts. I think that kind of thinking has also helped me to understand and learn astrology well.
I’m fairly new to astrology. I’ve had a six week class and done a couple workbooks but when you talked about astrology being in depth layers, with multiple threads and parts being very mercurial….and also how intense and complex it is as a new learner . Yes! 😂👍🙏🏻🙏🏻 grateful for this podcast. I’ve decided to start at the beginning of the planets and move my way through that way for a while. 👍👍
Neptune is like, “You are the clock..” So great!
Enjoyed this concise and clear discussion. My merc is in sag in 11th. Have been drawn into heated discussions in politics and religion, but am mostly into spirituality. I never intend for it to get negative, and related to the part about changing directions. Grand daughter is virgo and has detective abilities, I can relate to as Scorpio. My mom was gem with Virgo moon, a small but muscular swimmer, and I relate to her as a hummingbird. Also loved her teaching me to swim in the ocean at 3. She was expert teacher, and the one time I swam way out past " undertow" , there was a shark alert and I was the only one left out in the water. Needless to say, I swam the fastest I ever have. And still have all parts, so far. This was a very mind enriching podcast and I thank you for all your hard work. Sometimes the details lead to much mind expansion! God bless! And hope you continue these podcasts! ( saving the planet one planet at a time!)
I have a tight t-square with mercury in Taurus, mars in Leo and Saturn in Aquarius. In the right situation, I love cursing. More to say as it is my second Saturn return right now. Ready for next spring. Thanks for all the great work.
Another great episode. I am loving chewing through these planet episodes. I had to chuckle at the Uranus discussion because of what happening in the Uranus episode with Rick Levine...uranus on the asc :) . that was actually the episode that literally pulled me into this series. thank you so much
I can confirm that as an early Gemini Mercury does indeed affect the shoulders, hands, joints etc. AND the gob, to be sure! Really love those birdies on the wall in the background! 🤭🙋👍
One thing about Uranus is that it tends to be more of like a paradigmatic system shift. Mercury jumps all around within a system and understands, taking apart that system relying often on logic. Uranus on the other hand tends to bring about a new paradigm. It disrupts existing logical axioms or brings about entirely new axioms. So it disrupts the system of logic itself while Mercury really appreciates being within logic.
I think the thing that is interesting about mercury retrograde ( or any retrograde really) is to reconceptualize it that it isn't the planet that is retrograde, it is our perception of the the things represented by that planet that is retrograde. We are retrograde, not the planet.
I'm a self-taught Placidus Astrologer of almost 12 years, and absolutely no one held my hand throughout any of it. (Mercury in Cap. in the 8th)
Aladdin is my FAVORITE ♡ I went to Disneyland when I was 6 and cried when I met Jasmine, Aladdin and Abu but not Jafar or Genie lmao
As someone with Mercury in Virgo at 29°55 and Mars in Gemini I very much appreciated this!!
Jo's great! Love her insights and views! Glad she'll be on again!
I have Mercury and Venus conjunct (4 min) in my Pisces 7th. I actually try to paint a picture with my communication style. I also think in pictures and colors. Listening to a lecture, I actually "see" the words as if I were reading a book.
Additionally, speaking toward the signification of slyness for Mercury. Gurdjieff's "Fourth Way" comes to mind. Whereas the yogi, monk, fakir use considerable effort and make a big deal of wearing down their attachments to become enlightened; the sly man does it instantaneously without reservation or notice.
For example, "If you’re going to leave town and you owe lots of money, you know, you mustn’t announce that you’re leaving or give a farewell party to your friends, because the grocer will find out. So the art of the sly man is to make no contest, but simply to leave without one word. In other words, that’s the meaning of wú wéi in the technical vocabulary of Taoism. Wú wéi: not to interfere, not to force things. That’s the best translation of wú wéi: “not to force things.” But so, he just drops it like that. But in this respect, you see, you’re your own worst enemy. Because even if you serve notice privately on yourself that suddenly you’re going to drop it all, already the devil knows-because who do you think the devil is?"
I'm Gemini rising with Virgo sun so this episode is much appreciated. 🙏
Same! Plus a Gemini moon 🌝
Love this episode! I’m a medical interpreter which involves fast thinking and speaking. My mercury is in the second house co-present with mars in Aquarius. Gemini sixth house (sickness) and tenth house libra (the other person).
I love the way the words in ancient mythology are the words used interchangeably with the subject studied. Like Snowden’s descendant is USA’s ascendant. And that’s why I like to look up in many books details of charts.
I have just changed my Twitter comment to "Frothy of no judgement" . Mercury is my strongest planet.
There is a great rapport of both personalities in this episode. Dare I say Chris looks like he is actually having fun.... must be the astrology.
My poor Mercury is working so hard, I can feel it at times. Exaggeration, but that rides well with my Sagi stellium with a combust Mercury in detriment, all in the 3rd house so an accidental dignity? Night chart. My school life from 6 till 16 was a nightmare and one to be endured, but 2 University degrees later, I find out I am actually dyslexic and probably with an ADHD - inattentive type brain. Blew my mind when looking at the significations of Mercury.
I am going to look at my secondary progressed chart, to see if any of my educational break throughs match up. Like when I eventually learnt to read.
Jo reminds me of a dear friend of mine. OMG she is an intellectual beast, her brain is fascinating. From D.I.Y. to yoga to PhD's to child rearing to Plant life and the list goes on. Virgo rising with Sun stellium in the 3rd in Scorpio... if I needed to dispose of a body, I swear she would leave no trace.
Great episode... Ima have to listen to the next half another time.
Great episode, Jo is the best!
This was a fantastic talk and I thoroughly enjoyed diving into the significations of Mercury in its fall/detriment (in Pisces) as this is the case in my chart. My natal Mercury is the ruler of my Lot of Daimon/Spirit, so it plays a fairly prominent role in my spiritual life. It is in Pisces in the 6th house and squares my natal Saturn in Sag. (by whole sign, not by degree). As a small child I struggled with a series of developmental delays and sensory processing disorders (especially with my capacity to comprehend auditory stimuli). This is a challenge as a classically-trained musician, but one I have learned to work with over the years. My relationship with my natal Mercury placement is quite complex and I see where it is in detriment squaring Saturn through these childhood challenges but I've really come to embrace my Piscean Mercury. I am an amateur opera singer and at least like to think I have a beautiful voice. :) This seems rather Piscean to me. I also have learned to embrace the ways in which my mind wanders in rather unpredictable streams of thought...my Piscean "meandering musings" (if you will). Thanks for this! It was a way of reframing the concept of essential dignities and not demonizing planets in fall/detriment...In some ways, it has been very rewarding (in the long run) to have my Mercury in detriment because I have really had to work hard to master my communication style...Sometimes I think things that are initially challenging for us end up being our greatest skills and/or gifts to the world.
This was absolutely fascinating to listen to as a Gemini rising with Mercury & Venus in Cancer and Mars in Virgo!! I also have Neptune & Uranus conjunction opposite my Mercury, but the trine to Pluto is strongest. Last year I tuned into Jason Holley's webinar thru Astrology University on Mercury which was SO profound as a Mercury ruled person and astrologer. Great info in conjunction with this podcast episode.
Revisiting the planet series, I have no intent of comments. I figured I would here because I’m choosing to spend more time learning more about the guests. Different interviews, topics of their focus. Jo’s frustrating because I want to check more out on the 12th house where I don’t want to go off in another direction not being in a “house” mood right now. I’ll pile up too much reading material. I definitely want to because I found myself listening to this reading multiple 12th house interpretations just through searches where it reignited my “12th interpretations are a mess” passion. Not all bad, just mental checklists of “yes, yes, no, oh.. that’s awful and that’s downright unethical, that’s great and needs expanded on…” I feel like Jo has a great view that can clear up that mess.
The good are really good, areas I never thought about. One piece mentioned Avelar stating Venus can be a co-signifier by “vice” where there was mild miss reading on the depth that was self admitted. My Mercury 12th may show here as ascendant ruler. Vices of Venus, yes, they can show up there. The “bed pleasures” interpretation of the 12th can be needing more sleep than usual and various Venusian overindulgences like sex even as fantasy. Alcohol and smoking? I don’t drink and knew right away that it would be problematic because it lifts the Leo with sun Leo 12th burden off the back. That caution was learned by how easily nicotine can be addictive due to Mercury in 12th retrograde 2 degrees from sun where the stimulant/depressant effect helps focus and clearer thinking. Definitely a 12th house Vice. Other vices can show where I don’t have many of the issues having the ruler of the 12th in 12th which humorously equate to the 7 deadly sins. Everyone has a 12th, everyone has coping mechanisms that if overindulged can have significant negative impacts. I could write a 1,000 page book on the 12th, the problem is it needs to be under 50 pages large font. Deep diving into astrology is definitely being done in a Mercury way where I’m eventually breaking it apart to reassemble it for some unknown reason. It could break away into a completely different subject. I want as many voices stating their case to avoid unintentional “deception”. The only thing so far that sets off sirens and red flags is when it’s stated astrology is a vessel for pushing an agenda and it’s not wrong to do so because it happens anyways. Yes, but not on purpose.
Using this method is probably a blessing for everyone because that Mercury (along with other placements) have someone so frustrated they’d run out of a room screaming. Example: one of the interviews I listened to with Jo, the topic of reincarnation and choosing this life came up where it was said that no one would choose to die by police brutality. Mercury activating would say it’s making an unknown assumption using philosophical absurdism in the vein of former justice Scalia relating gay marriage as a gateway to marrying pets. The most famous case of reincarnation in western culture is the pilot who died on a drill to be reincarnated recalling that life. He became friends with his former troops and grew up to be a military pilot again. It’s less clear when you get into the role of a military pilot is to actually kill, not to mention that in order to live it’s necessary to feed off of death. This gets into gnostic philosophy that the world is imperfect and potentially evil, not going there. But if reincarnation is true, the feeling of existential importance of this one life may not be all that true. It may not be as consequential as we think, but diving into nihilism isn’t useful because you have to be born again into the world your legacy helped build. But like the myth of er, it may not be that we pick our fate. This pilot who died probably had no choice or will in that matter, but that purpose could be the same as Er to relay a message. We’ve become more material as a culture, these widespread NDE’s and reincarnation cases could be just a nudge to get others attention looking for an answer. Overall. I’d have to see more on the upset argument about choosing life. If you can’t see anything good in your life you’d want to experience you probably have bigger problems than just that astrological interpretation. I wouldn’t define a life by how someone died. Yet, I completely understand the argument because some astrologers say anyone with a 12th house placement is being karmically punished which is more absurd to say. An unspoken joke when reading things that my Mercury being in retrograde in the 12th with sun in Leo etc… “I’m being punished for words out of ego so on, so forth..” I was probably an astrologer in the past who made up that unethical interpretation. It’s a weird paradox! I don’t see the 12th being piscean, especially because I see more to support Jupiter ruling pisces and that’s definitely not a Jupiter house. Saturn makes a ton of sense, but the Neptune similarity and saying the pisces association is this is a fair statement. With biases, especially cultural, we are so extroverted and honestly selfish where I can see why this house is viewed with so much doom and gloom along with horrible judgment. It’d make sense if you baked Saturn and Venus together you may get Neptune. I’ve probably mentioned before that having moon in the 6th is something I’d argue about but it’s dependent on how the 6th is described. It’s possible the 6th, 8th, and 12th are very misunderstood where they’re just not that relatable to anyone. I’m intrigued planet wise where I feel like Saturn and Pluto have been cross bred where neither (in modern) actually mean what they should. Tracking transits with lots hit by uranus, I’m siding more and more with the Prometheus argument.
I think it was said Jo is the current president or vice of the young astrologers group. I bet that’s rough. Just because there seems to be more generational in fighting compared to, say, my generation. Harder with just a theme of astrology. I can die at any moment, I definitely plan to never die. But as I’ve aged I don’t fear it. I do look at youth as wasted in ways because I allowed myself to be diverted by the same things young people are experiencing now. My point would be I’ll likely have a hard time during this process of diving more into the guests in this series because I’ll be listening to younger podcasters constantly doing that inner conversation of “… well, that’s not … this is….”
There’s enough content on houses and I’m really excited about the upcoming signs series. It would be great if Jo was back on just for a 12th house focus that just deals with more proper (healthy) interpretations. I’ll argue malefic’s are malefic’s just because trying to make them too positive can possibly blindside someone. If someone views mars as being an ideal positive they may express it negatively feeling empowered to do so. Emphasis on malefic is just a balance. The 12th is backwards in some cases. It has positives that are just challenging to get through.
Rambling. Just surprised because I didn’t expect to dive in to find 12th house subjects. Pleasant surprise.
Really been enjoying Jo's contributions on the podcast!!
I love these planetary profiles, deep dives.
Natal Mercury trine Chiron, square Pluto.
Conversation around 01:30:00 the separation of mind & body - this resonated viscerally. Like with NDE; near death experiences. Messages ppl receive. Or in survival modes, the mind goes somewhere else.
Secondary progressed Mercury ingress 9h for my beginning to study astrology 🥰
I loved this talk - very informative! BTW Scrivener means writer or scribe (around the 1:20:45 mark)
Awesome podcast! Thank you!
Great episode, I was waiting for the Mercury one! I'm a Virgo rising with Mercury in Gemini conjunct the MC in my 10th house. I can do anything for about three months, then I'm bored to tears and have to move on to something new. Absolutely obsessed with learning new things, I absorb everything like a sponge.
The sun and mercury thing with the inner dialogue and what you actually end up saying or communicating makes so much sense.
I have a Mercury Sag (so debilitated) and people always seem to think what I have to say is so positive, uplifting and philosophical.
Even if at times it also comes off very ideological and too grande lol
But my Sun is in Scorpio, with my Rising sign and I have my Moon in the 8 H,
meaning my inner dialogue is like super deep and dark, and I often end up in very depressing scenarios when I‘m ok my own.
But only the closest people know me in this way.
It‘s like first people meet my rising, and think I‘m very snobbish and reserved, then they see I‘m super easy to talk to only to find out that indeed internally I am also very deep and dark haha
Also My Mercury is opposing my Moon in Gemini, which does genuinly make it hard to get my feelings across when I talk
I was hoping you’d get into houses because I always like hearing others perspective on Mercury in the 12th.
Virgo ascendant, Mercury in Leo (r) 12th conjunct sun and Saturn where Saturn is in virgo either 12th or 1st depending on preferred method. Some other minor aspects like with Jupiter (semi-sextile) and I think a midheaven sextile. I’m kinda glad Neptune trines sun but just misses Mercury now. However, putting Neptune into words to communicate it is actually difficult to do which is why I enjoyed being pointed to Jung (reluctantly) and Campbell. I enjoyed the Saturn part because this is a detail that can be smelled 1,000,000 miles away and what I can be notorious for. Throw in the libra plus sun in opposite sign of moon the contrarianism has no limits. Debates? I don’t enjoy them, but friends would start topics of the week just because they knew I could get lured into them enjoying the carnage from a distance. My saying is “the truth has no holes in it” and any idealism is picked at like a child first discovering bubble wrap on Christmas morning. Prior to watching/listening to your Richard Tarnas episode I came across another interview where Tarnas later was asked about Jordan Peterson who’s like an imaginary mortal enemy; I was impressed by his gracefulness where it’s a near tie with Gabor Mate in addressing him where Tarnas gets the kindness award. I actually referenced every single Peterson citation side by side by the actual quotes of those he cited where maybe 80% of his references stated the opposite of what Peterson said. It’s a stressful placement in that Leo isn’t exactly wanting to me meticulous, but I’m learning to tone it down because Saturn has its good points, but it’s also a sure way to never get anything done. I eventually learned that, even if things are perfectly crafted in communication, others can take it and see/hear/read whatever they want so it doesn’t matter how “perfect” it is. Saturn, however, can be brutal and I’m slowly learning to tone it down. Tarnas has a good point that Jung was a product of his time, but that also includes that Jung viewed things individually and collectively; it’s important to state that he was clear we can be as individualized as we want, but we also need to cooperate with agreed upon “norms” and we can debate what those are. Pure individualism is anarchy and the irony is individualism is co-dependent on being defined by the other. We’re all unique by default.
Part of me wants to list off Saturn and Mercury examples, but they can be off the rails. It can seem like a devils advocate in cases if it’s just about responsibility in communication which is why I don’t like Peterson. However, I looked at his chart recently and noticed he has Saturn directly on his south node which… he’s having an experience.
I was hoping for more on Mercury retrograde, but I found there’s one on this specifically right under this one so.. my Mercury is very unpredictable/erratic and almost always non linear. I had issues in youth with the Saturn/Mercury where I wouldn’t write again and my Saturn return actually had a major car accident that caused bone damage where I developed a minor off/on lisp which I’m about to get fixed which forced me to write again. Enjoyable episode, just too short.
Great videos on the planets enjoying them very much so far. Is there a video on the ascendant on the channel, if not are you planing on doing one?
I have mercury as lord of the 6th in the 8th in scorpio in bad dignity. I have experienced these possible related symptoms in my life: As a child I needed minor tongue surgery and speech therapy for several years. I am a terrible speller. I have TMJ. I have had chronic pelvic floor dysfunction for 20 years which involves nerve pain. I have hyperhydrosis on my hands (gemini). Fun times.
I have a Leo Rising with a Virgo Sun/Mercury cazimi and a Virgo Venus - definitely feel what Jo said. The Leo is there but the Mercury definitely gets emphasized. It’s what I lead with and what people tend to see first.
Virgo Sun Mars conjunction in 10th squaring my Gemini Saturn in the 7th. Sun & Mercury in (weak) mutual reception. Mercury exact trine to Jupiter in 1st. Love that you are going in depth with Mercury!
This is my favorite episode released in a while. I love the others, but this one was especially enlightening for me in many regards but especially to my natal chart. You definitely Jupiter’d my conceptualization of Mercury, which was actually very Mercury of the both of us. 😂
Love the birds on Jo's wall. In Vedic Astrology, Mercury is related to birds as well :)
I have a Virgo sun, moon and mercury. My mum said she gave me a doll as a small child, when she came back into the room the doll was in pieces… my mum asked me what I was doing … I replied “I want to see how it goes together”
I have a Sun/Mercury conjunction that has an orb of ten minutes. And the interesting thing about hearing you speak of the Sun as the inner speech and Mercury as the messenger of that is that i always talk to myself even in my own head. I tend to have socratic dialogue with myself about everything,
I'm too poor to sign up for AYA right now-I'm hoping this changes for me soon-but, in the future Chris, if you want to discuss Uranus with me on the podcast I'd probably be your best bet: I'm an Aquarius sun with an entire Aquarius stellium in the 8th house, and I've been an astrologer for almost 12 years. Don't pass me up! I don't read professionally for moral reasons (i hate money in general), but I definitely have. I've also been a student of the Chinese Zodiac as well as Buddhism & Hinduism.
I almost forgot to mention my Pisces stellium-but this is probably futile anyway and you're probably dismissing this as you read it because why wouldn't you? Everyone does! I'll try till i die
I love my Mercury even more now.. Gemini stellium with sun, mercury, Saturn, Jupiter.
I have a Mercury Mars conjunction in 8th house Leo and I totally relate to the swearing part 😂😂 "words as weapons" really is a thing, too. Especially in younger years, I was completely unaware of the impact my words had on people until I learned to control it.
Loving this 🤩 Thank you ✨💯
AstroDatabank's collection of Philosophers' charts reveals some interesting placements regarding Mercury in the natal chart. There is a preponderance of Mercury retrograde and/or under the beams, and/or Epimethean (night star). Mercury is often also in hard aspect to its dispositor and/or Jupiter and/or Saturn. Mercury is also often in hard aspect to Mars. So, these factors seem to enhance Mercury's qualities and service to the Sun.
oh wow. my sibling’s natal Mercury has every single one of the conditions listed above & sure enough, we often joke about how they’re a natural born Philosopher…could easily have talked circles around Socrates as a kid 😂
I've got a major 6h placidus stellium with mercury and nearly all the major asteroids there too. It's ruled by Libra but I definitely resonate with the Virgo archetype and 6h themes big time. This was a good connecting point for me to understanding myself so much better. Really looking forward to this episode, thank you! 😊
I don't have an accurate birth time for her, but my paternal grandmother was a Virgo sun and stellium, and a Libra moon. The older I get and tap into my 6h themes as the primary story of my life, the more I am told by my paternal relatives how much I remind them of her. Hope to obtain a birth time for her one day, but if not a chart rectification would be so fascinating.
Absolutely, I laugh 😂 everytime she says that. Great talk- Gemini rising
Mercury Chart ruled here!
Having Mercury ruled Gemini as my Rising, Moon, Mars, and frickin CHIRON is tough.
I also have Mercury IN Taurus (which is also my Sun), so I have this weird contradiction with the Air and Earth type of Mercury situation. Lol
#geministellium
#mercuryruledfordays
@theastrologypodcast I cannot believe that I discovered this podcast recently, and not sooner. Looove your approach. Have your book and am gonna dive deep soon. My mercury confuses me. I have noticed the whole sign system works better, but I combine it with placidus. So my Mercury is in gemini 10 degrees (conjuncting 5th house cusp in placidus and in 6th house whole sign system). It is in exact opposition to my moon 10 degrees saggitarius (10th house and conjuncts 11th house cusp in placidus and 12th house whole sign system AND MOON CONJUNCTS URANUS (3 degrees IN SAGG neptune retrograde is there to but ot of orb). Then my mercury trines SATURN retrograde in LIBRA (16 degrees, in 8th house placidus, 10th house whole sign...mars and pluto are there too, both retrogrades). AND it sextile venus in Aries (6 degrees 2nd house placidus, 4th house Whole sign). I am a capp rising. And I struggle with my mercury. I want to know everything and immedeatly i aread books paralaly but nothing stays in my head. I have been into astrology and tarot and read soooomany books but I dont write anything because it is difficult fpr me to stay focused for so long on one theme. so I switch constantly not ending anything..I thought the saturn will ground my persue of knowledge but it is not hapening. long term comitment to serious study is a hassle..but going through bits and pieces about everything..that is me. But when I see how much time I invest in going from theme to theme, and nothing really stays long term It bothers me. :-) hahaha. Also critical in how much I have to learn more and it overwhelms me. Like I am never gonna learn it as I whish to (astrology for example). emotions coloring the abilty to either asimilate knowledge or not being able to asimilate. some astrologers told me that I will write a book and signing them a copy, but i just dont see it hapening.hahaha. Thank you for this. It has been wonderful and chalk full of knowledge.
Just finished watching your Saturn video, you mentioned people love your videos because of Saturn and hate it because of Saturn. As someone who’s very mercurial - 4 Virgo stellium with Mars and MC in Gemini I absolutely enjoy the insightful, well researched content.
Also - wouldn’t Uranus be an high octave of mercury then. Since they operate so similarly.
Fun fact:
The first acid trip ever is celebrated by the holiday “Bicycle Day.”
WOW. So I have Mercury Conjunct Mars to the degree, in Taurus in 4th. I have noticed that I am patient in arguments, but when I am pushed to the limit I EXPLODE. It is so interesting how I go from 0 to 100 so quickly. I will be so quiet and receptive, but when they say something annoying I get angry, loud, swear and I fight with my words. My anger in debates and arguments happens so quickly that I only realize I blew up after the argument is over. With it being in the 4th, almost ALL of my most heated debates and arguments have been with my parents, sister or roommates! I kinda like my mars/mercury conjunction because I am so assertive and I will fight for what's right. I have dealt with racist and homophobic family members and I would always argue against them passionately. But yes, I've noticed that I have a fiery and sharp tongue and would sometimes need to apologize after. :)
Great episode. Mercury as a shift shaper.
Another super mercurial was Prince multifaceted composer and multiinstrumentalist that explored many different musical styles and mediums . He used to have many aliases as well and many times paralell works ,recordings etc
Sun mercury in Gemini in 8th as he made himself famous composing and interpreting about taboo topics .(scorpio rising)
And his character in Batman as he composed the films bso was "Gemini" .
I think he has a very intersting chart with many dignified planets Aries Mars ,Taurus venus , Piscis moon ..
(Sorry my english is not very good plus I have Mercury R + saturn conjunct Ic in cancer 😒😁🤷 night chart )
Prince had a Mars second to no one's Mars. It was practically functioning at 95-100% dignity. Any planet his Mars aspected glowed up including his north node, Jupiter, etc.
Yep, my mind and communication (especially writing) is usually at lightning speed, it can be really overwhelming, the huge surges of mental energy, and you are right, it's almost too much for the human body (and I have to be so careful to not burn out and overload my/others brain and senses!) Mercury aquarius in 9th house Capricorn.
Geminis often way overstimulate me, they jump topics way too randomly, and I prefer to go deep, and I really dislike not being listened to. I do love the fast interaction with them though, the wit and the laughs (in small doses these days)
I'm late diagnosed autistic and ADHD (although I feel like it's cPTSD cos as a child and young adult I didn't have ADHD traits)
(sextile from Sagittarius moon, Uranus and Neptune in 7th house Scorpio)
I Loved learning more about Mercury. I’m always curious to see where Mercury is in a persons chart. My Mercury is in cancer square Pluto. What might that mean? Is it similar to a hard aspect like Saturn?
What a beautiful looking young woman. So wise too.
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Libra (scales) is part of Scorpio’s Claws and the alter is the final judgement at the stinger of Scorpio and the tip of the arrow of Sagittarius. Libra, Late fall going into early winter(Scorpio). All apart of the death -resurrection-conception and rebirth phase of a cycle.
Moon in Gemini, Uranus/Pluto in Virgo. Mars conjunct Mercury in Capricorn midheaven, SN sextile Neptune in Scorpio. 17° is prominent. Moon in YOD with Neptune and Mercury conjunct Mars. I enjoy comments on what others
think of this YOD. I'm a Taurus Ascendent 1°.
Second YOD Venus/Jupiter inconjunct Uranus/Pluto and Neptune. Aries, Virgo and Scorpio.
Sag Rx Mercury closely trine Cancer Mars by degree-can confirm I curse out the wazoo (around people I know well). Also will have to check out progressed Mercury station changes, thank you!
As far as poets go, Walt Whitman also has an interesting mercury placement and chart in general!
what do yout think of a virgo rising with gemini mercury
First of all: I've been learning *so much* listening to those videos and podcast episodes on Spotify, THANK YOU for sharing all of this content for free, it's incredible.
(Around 40:00) You keep mentioning Eminem's placements and I'm listening carefully cause my sun is in Libra (22°), and then in Scorpio I've got Mars (0°) and Mercury (3°) XD
Thanks! Always good to learn with you :)
thanks for making me think of my mercury differently. mercury, venus, neptune conjunct in scorpio/6th house and gemini rising.
Pretty excited for this for my very Mercury rules chart 🌺
Ani Difranco has Mercury cnj Mars in Virgo and it’s very evident in her songs
I'm confused...I have Virgo rising, In your video, 42:48 stating mars ruling the 3rd house. What do you mean? Like, I have Virgo Rising 29 degrees 1st house, Leo sun in the 12th house, Mercury in Cancer in the 11th house, and Mars in Libra in the 2nd house. What am I not seeing here? Thank you!
Another great episode, thank you! Having Mercury and Saturn Conjoined in my 8th WSH of Taurus... Money always stresses me out.. I mean I know it does for everyone, but it is the only thing that ever stresses me out of all the areas of life I guess you could say. And maybe it is Jupiter in my 1st house of Libra, it always seems to work out... or work out enough, that the stress can go away and things can get back to a normal-ish state again. IDK, but I truly appreciated this episode.
Your subconscious remembers your losses, Jupiter in Libra is a life of justices in partnerships. Being overly prideful or independent could sabatage you in getting what is rightly yours even if in this life it doesn't make sense. 💚
@@debracottrill7989 Thank you so much for this wonderful insight! I definitely can see the independent side, which i guess would also make me prideful, because of past hurts n this lifetime as well. "I don't need anyone's help... who me, asking for help.. never! I can do it on my own. " ha ha... ugh! But ever since the Saturn- Jupiter conjunction (In my 5th/Aqu) I've really had a mental shift, for the better, and am trying to reach out more and find my community, instead of being the Loner. And finding the positive of what can be perceived originally as a negative. Thank you again for reaching out!💜
I have Saturn in Gemeni in 8th House, also Mercury in Virgo. Current station is Mercury .
Great chat