Solid overview! Just for viewer reference, dual plane wheels are also often called splitter wheels and instead of being listed as 6x6 or 7x7 it will often be 6+6 or 7+7. Also note that different wheels which can fit the same turbo may have different blade heights, how far the blades go up the center shaft or nose. Another area which can vary is nose and hub thickness, altering the weight and total flow area.
The differences are essentially negligible. one isn't really better than the other. Depending on the turbine its attached to, one might spool up slightly quicker on the DYNO. But there are also a number of other variable that play into that equation.
@CraigLandsberg-lk1ep I have read that a single plane wheel will produce a higher peak boost pressure than a dual plane wheel but will spool slightly slower.
Great Video; though I do think a much more detailed video would be greatly beneficial to the diesel community as a whole. I know you guys want to sell more of your own product over the competition…but it would be hugely beneficial for everyone to have better, more detailed information on which setup to pick to best suit their application and needs. For example: -you guys and OEM seem to prefer something like a single plane ~11 blade compressor -stainless diesel likes a 5x5 dual plane compressor (says it performs well in compound applications from what I can find) -dans diesel, JZM, and a lot of others like a 6x6 dual plane -fleece likes a 7x7 dual plane Another interesting part to go into detail with would be the turbine wheel setups. I.E. 13 blade (usually OEM), 10 blade, 9 blade, materials they are made from and why. Everyone wants the loudest, fastest, highest hp configurations, but most dont need that. A long video, or even a series on what works best for: -All out performance -Towing (can of worms I know… elevation, fuel setup, maximum weight, single vs compound, etc all play a factor in this it seems) -Compound setups -Triple turbo setups -Exhaust braking -Fixed vane vs vgt best setups (or what works better in each) -stock replacements -sled pulling -EGT control -back pressure effects -fuel economy -more blades spools faster, but flows less up top? -less blades spools slower but flows more up top? -high flow veins? -turbine vs compressor size ratio and surge characteristics -housing A/R -Blade pitch effects -etc Would be such an amazing video or series imo. Touching on how torque converter stall,elevation, and fueling systems affects how turbos spool would phenomenal as well! I know that you’d probably have to go into different platforms (cummins, duramax, PSD) as well, to cover everything, but even a detailed discussion on the main characteristics of it all in a general sense would be amazing. Cheers!
Thats a great question! The compressor wheels dont produce a whole lot of sound, especially in comparison to a VGT turbine wheel. The sound that come from the comp wheel, has more to do with your intake and cabin insulation.
The key with paring a compressor wheel and turbine wheel is having the inducer of both sized evenly. EX: a 68mm comp wheel with a 58mm turbine wheel, is going to spool like cold honey. Best way to get that super loud sound is to buy a balanced assembly DIY kit that has a 10 blade turbine and a well matched compressor wheel (we have those on our website) or buy an entire drop in turbo and call it a day. (we have kc Vortex drop on duramax turbos that scream well) Give our customer service a call if you have any more questions, wed be happy to help out! 480-688-7160
@@KCTURBOSsee I feel like the compressor wheel changes the sound a lot and the compressor bark sound I had so many different wheels on my 7.3 I had 5x5 wheel that had much louder whistle than the stock 9 blade then I got a 7x7 compressor wheel from rd2fs that wheel had a much different spooling sound than before then after that I got a 66/88 6x6 billet wheel witch sounded pretty good now I have a 6x6 66/88 compressor wheel with a t51r housing and that’s the loudest set up I’ve found I plan on trying your guys wheel next. I know this is all intake spooling noise nothing to do with exhaust noise
If a billet wheel is created from a cast billet instead of a forged billet, then the strength difference won't be that much. Cast wheels can also be machined to shape, if needed.
True, but the main reason cast wheels are used is they are cheap to manufacture. If a company then has to machine the wheels after cast then that just increases the cost and defeats the purpose.
Solid overview! Just for viewer reference, dual plane wheels are also often called splitter wheels and instead of being listed as 6x6 or 7x7 it will often be 6+6 or 7+7. Also note that different wheels which can fit the same turbo may have different blade heights, how far the blades go up the center shaft or nose. Another area which can vary is nose and hub thickness, altering the weight and total flow area.
Great explanation Charlie.
Thank you!
Sir, what are the benefits and drawbacks of single & dual plane wheels ?
The differences are essentially negligible. one isn't really better than the other. Depending on the turbine its attached to, one might spool up slightly quicker on the DYNO. But there are also a number of other variable that play into that equation.
No help at all 😢 you people play your cards close to the vest
@CraigLandsberg-lk1ep I have read that a single plane wheel will produce a higher peak boost pressure than a dual plane wheel but will spool slightly slower.
Thank you, short and concise, very well done with no bias.
Great Video; though I do think a much more detailed video would be greatly beneficial to the diesel community as a whole. I know you guys want to sell more of your own product over the competition…but it would be hugely beneficial for everyone to have better, more detailed information on which setup to pick to best suit their application and needs.
For example:
-you guys and OEM seem to prefer something like a single plane ~11 blade compressor
-stainless diesel likes a 5x5 dual plane compressor (says it performs well in compound applications from what I can find)
-dans diesel, JZM, and a lot of others like a 6x6 dual plane
-fleece likes a 7x7 dual plane
Another interesting part to go into detail with would be the turbine wheel setups. I.E. 13 blade (usually OEM), 10 blade, 9 blade, materials they are made from and why.
Everyone wants the loudest, fastest, highest hp configurations, but most dont need that. A long video, or even a series on what works best for:
-All out performance
-Towing (can of worms I know… elevation, fuel setup, maximum weight, single vs compound, etc all play a factor in this it seems)
-Compound setups
-Triple turbo setups
-Exhaust braking
-Fixed vane vs vgt best setups (or what works better in each)
-stock replacements
-sled pulling
-EGT control
-back pressure effects
-fuel economy
-more blades spools faster, but flows less up top?
-less blades spools slower but flows more up top?
-high flow veins?
-turbine vs compressor size ratio and surge characteristics
-housing A/R
-Blade pitch effects
-etc
Would be such an amazing video or series imo. Touching on how torque converter stall,elevation, and fueling systems affects how turbos spool would phenomenal as well! I know that you’d probably have to go into different platforms (cummins, duramax, PSD) as well, to cover everything, but even a detailed discussion on the main characteristics of it all in a general sense would be amazing.
Cheers!
Nice explanation, but I was hoping to see which wheel performs best and for what application. The title says "Which Compressor Wheel Performs Best".
Em um turbo td04l 14t volvo qual a roda de compressora aconselha aplicar mantendo a turbine de escape original ?
Excellent explanation guys!
Love the content..I buy all my KC from matt at blessed performance
Which ones sound better , have a better whistle?
And should I get a turbine wheel paired with compressor wheel to get the best sound or is it not needed? Lly duramax
Thats a great question! The compressor wheels dont produce a whole lot of sound, especially in comparison to a VGT turbine wheel. The sound that come from the comp wheel, has more to do with your intake and cabin insulation.
The key with paring a compressor wheel and turbine wheel is having the inducer of both sized evenly. EX: a 68mm comp wheel with a 58mm turbine wheel, is going to spool like cold honey. Best way to get that super loud sound is to buy a balanced assembly DIY kit that has a 10 blade turbine and a well matched compressor wheel (we have those on our website) or buy an entire drop in turbo and call it a day. (we have kc Vortex drop on duramax turbos that scream well) Give our customer service a call if you have any more questions, wed be happy to help out! 480-688-7160
@@KCTURBOS I see, what do you recommend for a stock lly vgt turbo to make it sound better ?
@@KCTURBOSsee I feel like the compressor wheel changes the sound a lot and the compressor bark sound I had so many different wheels on my 7.3 I had 5x5 wheel that had much louder whistle than the stock 9 blade then I got a 7x7 compressor wheel from rd2fs that wheel had a much different spooling sound than before then after that I got a 66/88 6x6 billet wheel witch sounded pretty good now I have a 6x6 66/88 compressor wheel with a t51r housing and that’s the loudest set up I’ve found I plan on trying your guys wheel next. I know this is all intake spooling noise nothing to do with exhaust noise
Can I dyno my excursion at your shop?
Im sure we can work something out! Give us a call 480-688-7160
So what will make more power? 6+6 or 7+7?
good video
😮very helpful.
You didn't even explain which performs best for any scenario...
If a billet wheel is created from a cast billet instead of a forged billet, then the strength difference won't be that much. Cast wheels can also be machined to shape, if needed.
True, but the main reason cast wheels are used is they are cheap to manufacture. If a company then has to machine the wheels after cast then that just increases the cost and defeats the purpose.