Therapist sobs... Su!cIde by Ren
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- Опубликовано: 18 мар 2024
- Therapist analyzes the lyrics of Ren's song Su!cIde to discuss the importance of destigmatizing and speaking about suicide. When we speak about suicide instead of dancing around it, it becomes an invitation for people to explore the pain that often leads to individuals taking their lives.
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Ren said he didn't want to commit suicide after he had seen the impact of Joe's suicide on his family and friends. He expected to die soon anyways. So I think you can say Joe saved Ren's life.
100% Joe was indeed his bestest friend in every way as he saved Ren for the world ❤🙏🥹
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That’s exactly why I didn’t commit suicide too. My brother did it in 2013 and it destroyed my family forever, I wanted to die too but I couldn’t multiply my family’s pain
First half is him talking about his own depression from being sick for so many years. Second half is about losing his friend Joe. Joe had called another friend saying he was on a bridge and going to jump. The friend called Ren, and he started running to the bridge. He estimates he was only a few minutes too late. Blamed himself for a long time even though there wasn't anything he could have done. Survivor's guilt.
Anglesea Bridge connects the island of Anglesea to mainland Wales. It's very high. They think Joe wasn't going to jump. However, that night was a stormy one, and they reckon a gust of wind combined with a loose grip was enough for Joe to lose his balance.!!! The islands just off the Irish sea,and currents are very very strong around the island, the RNLI ( Lifeboats ) searched for days looking for Joe, they never found him.!! Ren later on went back to Anglesea to the lifeboat station and handed them a cheque for 10k.!!
Check out For Joe. Ren wrote this piece for Joe's funeral ( no body ) and performed it at the service in front of Joe's parents and the other mourners. How he held it together is beyond me.!!!
That's so fucking sad. 😭
You should check out "For Joe" next, it rly follows this up. Also just some added info. The last part of the song (the piano part) was added later and wasn't planned originally. So the feeling you talked about with the 2 perspectives actually wasn't far off at all. Also Ren on the night his friend commited was the person out of his friend group who lived the closest so he got a phone call telling him they thought his friend Joe was on the bridge close to him. So that part about running 5 minutes quicker is literal.
For Joe takes all the hurt from the end of this song and moves to acceptance. Everything from the setting, the music the message is absolutely beautiful and super healing. Definitely a must see
I would also recommend freckled angles
Yes! Especially the live version.
For Joe is a mashup of this & Freckled Angels from his prior album. I’d do the original before the mashup.
Agreed 💯 great addition to this song.
Freckled Angel's, How To Be Me, and For Joe are all about his friend. They are so impactful.
Definitely the three most pain filled songs of Ren. They always hit me like a brick!
I can't find "for joe" on spotify. Am I just dumb or is it not on there or something
@@landonwilliams7954 for Joe unfortunately is one of the songs that is only on RUclips (along with his Retakes).
@@landonwilliams7954 pretty sure it's yt only
@@mandb85 Probably as it's a video. It's almost like it's an improvisation, but truly brilliant.
You have to get to Chalk Outlines and How To Be Me, both duets between Ren and Chinchilla. The live versions of each are both amazing.
💯 Both are going to be very much on point for Taylor, albeit for different reasons
Make sure it’s the live versions too
@@nimajneB621!!!!
For Joe.
CHALK OUTLINES FOR SURE!
That final section was written after Ren gave an interview with Knox Hill. Afterwards he realized the song was unfinished. He wrote that last section and recorded it live.
ong the knox interview was after sick boi released
edit: nvm just checked, im a dumbass
I’ve had severe depression and su*cidal ideation for most of my life. This song gave me the power to know that I’ll never follow through, ever. Life changing in so many ways. Great reaction 😘
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As a therapist this is what I hoped for, to be close enough to heal just enough not to take tne next step. Stay safe. I find Ren has helped me heal at moments since lockdown of huge immense despair.
I love Ren and I feel good I can say that, mean that and own that.
Love
You aren't alone fam
🙏💝🫂
I too ... This song gave me a fresh perspective
affecting that inner mantra of ' I just want to die ' ... I found myself repeating .
This song was an epiphany ; really opened my eyes to the other perspective ; those left behind .
Going beyond my selfish outlook and ego to a bigger picture .
And realizing my existence isn't really all that bad . Life is for living .I can do this .
My best friend took his life by gunshot. I have so much regret because of what he was talking about and feeling. I thought I had done a good job of helping him put things in perspective but a week later it happened. It’s so sad. He felt helpless even though it wasn’t as bad as he thought it was. But I underestimated how defeated and hopeless he felt and have regretted it for two and a half years.
Ren has brought a whole community together through shared experiences and raw honesty, mental illness is something we need to keep talking about, acting on, improving and providing services for those of us who deal with the constant sadness, talking and breaking the stigma which still exists is so important!!,
I think he will play a huge role in breaking that stigma…I work on it every day. Finding Ren led me to finding this entire community where it’s ok to share my pain and my experiences wo judgment and I am so grateful.
The quote "You die twice, the 1st is when you take your last breath, the 2nd is when you are no longer spoken about". Ren is ensuring that Joe will live for a VERY long time
I think one of the hardest things of being a survivor is the tendency to replay EVERY conversation you had with that individual and over-analyze each sentence to look for clues you might have missed! It can drive you absolutely mad. 😞
For Joe is definitely your next song by Ren. It begins with the end of this song but carries on. It was a tribute to his friend Joe. It’s beautiful.
You should listen to "For Joe." Its the 2nd part of this song. Joe is Ren's friend that jumped off the bridge.
My father committed suicide and I could have been a driving force to prevent it. But I didn't and my excuse at the time was because I felt like I didn't know him well enough. Now I am a father and this song hits really, really, fucking hard. In my case there wasn't a hearse because there was nobody who cared enough to be at a funeral. I should have been. I should have been there before it got to that point.
Please, to whoever happens to read this...I beg you. If you know someone who could be thinking about suicide, reach out to them. Pull them close and love them. And if you are considering suicide, find someone...anyone who will care about you, and hang on to them. All that matters in this life is the people we care about.
I agree with your plea to others to reach out. As for your story, I know it's hard to accept, but it is NOT your fault. Hindsight is 20/20, but you've got to forgive yourself.
I agree, always reach out if you’re aware or close. Maytree house in Hornsey.
However it wasn’t your fault in any way whatsoever. It’s understandable that you are thinking and feeling this way but it’s not correct.
If you could have you would have.
A friend called me two weeks before she hung herself, I didn’t take the call as she had been quite abusive to me the last meeting we had. That’s over 20yrs ago, I had told her she would never be too much for me. But I wasn’t expecting the abuse and didn’t understand why at the time, I think I do now.
We were friends, I think her girlfriend may have been unhappy about it. When it was just her and I we had brilliantly meaningful intimate conversations and laughed till we could barely breathe. Blessings to her.
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Hey mate, its not your fault. As a father we learn just how much we don't know or understand, until we become a father. You can't go back in time, you can only help others learn from our mistakes so maybe they don't copy ours. Take care.
I feel for you... I think when you watch some of Ren's interviews, he talks about the process of learning to forgive himself. The force of your words make me feel as though that is a journey you must take, because as a fellow human being, you deserve more than to punish yourself for something you cannot go back and change. We do have regrets, some of us more than others, and I'm sorry for your loss and for your situation when that happened. Allow yourself to remember that you were only putting one foot in front of the other, navigating your own life, and you didn't have the benefit of hindsight then.
I lost my mother when I was 24, cancer. We had 6 months knowing it was terminal and I spent almost every day with her, despite living adn working in a different city, and not driving at the time. My older sisters on the other hand, only visited once each in that period... they had busy lives and were dealing with their own individual traumas (my middle sister was battling alcoholism, and we didn't know at the time that she had a permanent driving ban for causing a serious accident whilst DUI).
After my mum passed, I called them to let them know it happened, and they were both completely surprised. They both said they kept saying 'oh next weekend we'll visit'', and then 'oh, well next weekend then', and that had gone on the whole time. The always thought there was going to be more time. I know they've lived with that burden and I don't think either of them processed it. I'm writing this because I don't even want to see a random stranger on the internet go through live with the pain of past decisions, like I've watched my sisters, 30 years now since it happened.
Forgive yourself, m'love. x
This woman's empathy couldn't make her anymore beautiful. ❤
❤ thank you so much for sharing, it broke me all over again watching you experience it.
Ren will likely see this
I love that you pointed out how he repeats the word suicide over and over again as a slap in the face to everybody that says you can’t say suicide or talk about suicide.
Ren is a gift.
The reactions and comments are a powerful form of group therapy. ❤
I'm so sorry for your loss.
If you haven't fallen completely in love with Ren yet you need to see his 1 million subscribers video. Thank you for your input.
Chalk Outlines (live) ft Chinchilla follow up!
This song is so powerful. I’ve listened to it so many times and sob every time. Ren’s ability to connect to harness his emotions into his art is phenomenal.
What amazes me the most with Ren is how he takes a heavy topic and put it on a catchy rhythm, time after time, so the music stays in your head for hours or for days and your brain is working to process, to contemplate the lyrics.
Agreed, I think a few of us have said in the past that we find ourselves humming or singing cheerfully and then realise we're singing 'su-cide su-cide su-cide' over and over, and it absolutely forces the brain to process the lyrics, expecially once you know it off by heart. I've both felt su-cidal and I've lost friends too. It's extremely powerful to have to face it but with a catchy tune. x
The change in her reaction at 5:12 shows you what a real reaction to this music looks like. You're a real one.
Ren lost Joe when he was 20, right as his illness was getting worse.
The whole onternet cried the day it was released.
The next day he had a Twitch stream to check on us and reassure us and make sure ee had resources. It turned out to be one of the very best and fun sessions ❤.
After this song the best is go for song "For Joe" ❤😊
I am so sorry about your friend💔
Powerful. Now I gotta call some friends and remind them how bright their lights are to world
The song and the reiteration of the word suicide, always reminds me of the Mr. Rogers quote that says something like "when feelings are mentionable they're manageable."
A beautiful sad song. I’ve lost my Mom and best friend to S and it’s hard. I still battle with my guilt.
I'm so sorry. I wish anything I could say would help. For what it's worth, I'm sending love and compassion and will pray for you.
You are the One to analyse Heretic by Ren, I know hearing your insight into this song would do it justice.
I absolutely love the way he did this song. He put an AI visual to this topic and left it kinda upbeat to make the subject easier to listen to, more digestible and not as scary. Then he goes into the really heavy stuff that tears you to shreds.
The song itself, the melody, is, dare I say it, kind of a bop, right? Then the switch! I have seen this video dozens of times, and with dozens of reactors, and I have never not cried. “And I still can’t find the anger all I find is missing you.”
Like others have said, "For Joe" is good one to do next. It's an additional gift for Joe but also impact others who has loss.
He legitimately ran to his friend, the 5 minute thing is something he lived. He was a few minutes too late to the bridge.
Yeah it’s rough. Two of my siblings decided to make an exit, and a handful of my friends passed by drug overdose.
That last section hits like a truck. Hearts to all victims of suicide
I lost my best friend to suicide too. Very powerful song.
As a full grown man, 14 years past losing my friend to suicide....I have yet to listen to this song without tears pouring down my face...On the exact same line everytime. "...over that same bridge the night you jumped"
And my childhood went over in a trunk. Paraphrasing, it hits me every time.
Wow amazing reaction !!
Called out the bridge from the falling through the cracks in the night sky lyrics. Well done. I think you probably have very lucky clients.
Shortly before he released this song, Ren posted this on his channel:
"Today I want to write something beautiful and eloquent but I’ve been staring at my computer screen for the past 10 minutes blankly. So I’ll just write.
Today, the 1st of June is my friend Joe’s birthday.
I first met Joe when I was 8 years old, my friend Josh said I had to meet this guy, so we both walked over to his, it took about 10 minutes from my house. I was greeted by this kid covered head to toe in freckles, he grinned at us, climbed onto the back of his sofa and screamed “Swanton Bomb!” then front flipped off the top and landed right onto his back on a stone floor. He lay still for a moment, twitched a few times, then got up, grinned at us, brushed himself off, and did it again.
This was Joe. He’d do anything to make people laugh. He ended up becoming one of my best friends. He was there when we stole our first cigarettes out of his mums pack, way too young. He was there when I had my first kiss, with a girl twice my size on the back of the 42 bus. He was there when I first got so drunk I threw up in the woods after drinking as much white lightning Cider as we could. I was there when he did his first backflip on skates, and saw him do a 720 off of the pier cave, that moment became legendary.
Joe was the funny one in our friend group, he’d make us laugh till it hurt. No one had a bad word to say about him. It was impossible not to like him. Usually we put celebrities, athletes and actors on pedestals, turn them into role models and admire them from a far. The person I admired was Joe.
Him and Sagar knew every word to the songs id write, we’d get drunk at parties and they’d be singing along as loud as they could. It gave me a lot of confidence back then.
On Christmas Eve 2010 I was sitting in a pub with Joe, he’d been feeling low after a couple of consecutive break ups. He tried to check himself into a mental health outpatient facility a few weeks earlier but they turned him away because he didn’t have an appointment. He turned to me and said that sometimes he wished he could just walk into the sea and keep walking. He said it in a kind of half joking throw away comment type of way, then took a sip of his drink, walked over to the juke box and put Dig by Incubus on. If I knew that was the last time I’d see Joe id have hugged him, told him how much I loved him, how much I looked up to him, how much we all loved him, and I wouldn’t have left that pub. I didn’t know that, so I finished my drink, said happy Christmas and left.
Two nights after Christmas I got woken up by a phone call at 3am, it was my friend Ella. She told me Joe was on the Menai Bridge, a large suspension bridge connecting the main land to the isle of Anglesey where we lived. He’d been on the phone to her in tears saying goodbye. He told her to tell everyone he loved them. I pulled on my clothes as fast as I could and started running toward the bridge. It was up a hill. I lived about a ten minute walk away, I could run it in five. As I ran I started dialling then redialing his number. The line was busy, which was a good sign, it meant he was still on the phone to someone. As I got about halfway, the busy tone changed. It told me the line was out of service. I got a sinking feeling and picked up my speed. I arrived to the bridge minutes after I left my house. It was deafeningly quiet. I was the first person to arrive. I got there probably about 2 minutes too late.
Joe’s body was never found.
Initially we refused to believe he was gone. The coastguard came out that night, with boats, and helicopters. Me and my friends spent the next 10 days putting up missing posters everywhere we could, walking up and down beaches with flashlights, getting about 3 hours sleep a night. When you’re walking up and down a beach with a torch when its dark everything looks like a body. We still haven’t found Joe.
As his birthday came around, I wrote a song, freckled angels, a song I dedicated to Joe which I sang in front of his friends and family. A charity football match was put on for him, raising money for the RNLI where I won two bottles of wine in a raffle, I drank them both as quickly as I could, naturally, turned to my friend and probably slurred something along the lines of “This is the last time I ever drink” That was 12 years ago, I haven’t touched a drop of alcohol since.
My first ever album I named Freckled Angels in tribute of one of the best people I ever knew.
Skip forward some years. I’d been sitting on this song I wrote a few years ago. It always felt a little incomplete. It was going to be my next release, but I was dreading it because of this feeling of incompletion. I decided, very last minute, to do something about it. I sat by my piano, and the rest of the song fell out of me. I hadn’t thought about Joe in a little while, and the song initially wasn’t going to be about him, but the words all fell out of me. I wrote and recorded a whole 2 minutes extra, recording each part as I wrote it. Tears spewing out of my eyes pretty much the whole time, and decided not to do my usual thing of perfecting each line, I just recorded every line as it came. This will be my next release. You can turn on notifications by following the link in the comments below
During this campaign I will be raising money for the RNLI, the group of brave men and women who spent hours tirelessly looking for Joe after the night he went missing. I'll also be donating 50% of the profit on all copies of the 'Freckled Angels' album directly to Joes family as a nice surprise gift. I will include links to the RNLI donation page below where 100% of the money will go to support them, I will be travelling to the UK later this month to make a music video, and have carved out a couple of days where I will travel to my home town on the isle of Anglesey to present the royal national lifeboat institution with a cheque of all the money raised."
You are such a kind soul. Thank you for choosing to allow the raw vulnerability. Many folks have had that feeling, and the experience of Ren in this.
in suicides there's a common saying at least where Im from.. suicides don't come alone, they come in waves..
Thank you for doing this one. "Chalk Outlines LIVE" and "How To Be Me " both with Chinchilla and then Chinchilla " Fingers Live for Hunger TV " are three absolute classics.
This song is so powerful for him but for many of us also. He made an another one for his friend "For Joe" where he put all the pieces of songs he did for him in one, like reunited all the pieces of a puzzle for making a beautiful tribute to his friend. So powerful by so many way. Ren is a real artist and human bein.
So many reactions I´ve seen to this song to only get clicks... You understood and felt....
I´ve lost tghree close friends... I´ve gone through so many therapies...
Joe was his friend who committed s*icide. Watch 'Freckled Angels' which is another gift to Joe. Then 'Dominoes' which exposes self-image and the affect of societal pressure on such. Then finish with 'For Joe' which is a eulogy for Joe to his family. Many people experience all of the issues you mentioned. We just want to experience joy in music now and Ren brings that.
The Poetry in the Pianopart is outstanding, noone ever said what Ren said with such a beautiful use of Words. Wich imho is sooo important because it gives you a Yin to the Yang
Ren painted this picture so well that I've listened to the song about 50 or 60 times, and it still hits me the exact same way. I always need to make sure there's a box of tissue nearby since the water and snot works happens pretty naturally. The end always catches a person off guard, and I think it has a lot to do with that catchy intro.
When you say about the destigmatisation! Absolutely! I hate that people get all 'ick' about the word. Those who need to hear it, NEED TO HEAR IT.
btw if you dont want to do the follow up try Seven Sins he sings and raps PAIN so well makes me cry everytime, hugs all around
Loving the reactions. Insomnia, Dominoes and Dear God are also some good songs by Ren touching on some mental health issues and struggles.
That last part always hits so hard for those of us who have lost others.
🙏🏻 RIP JOE 🙏🏻.. follow uo with ..For Joe , How To Be Me & Freckled Angels . ✌🏻 peace & love ❤
This is his gift, real conversations.
You, dear lady, are beautiful. Love watch you break down Ren.
Brilliant reaction to another great one by the great one we call Ren.
This one always hits hard, deep and raw. It's pretty much one of a very few songs that will instantly reduce me to tears every time.
I have the Sick Boi album on my phone and I'll skip this song when listening to it out and about, not because I don't like the song, but because I don't want to end up a gibbering wreck in the street.
Ren resonates with me on multiple levels, but this one especially more so.
I apologise now if this triggers people, but I'm hoping it will help, so I'll share this with you and people reading and commenting _deep breath_ .....
I too lost a close friend to suicide years ago.
His name was Les, although we all called him muppet because he was so animatedly funny and had us all in stitches, no matter what the situation, no matter what was going on in our lives. One of our crew got sent down for murder and it broke him (it broke me too). Muppet was so distraught he couldn't do anything to save our friend from going to prison for weeks afterwards, that he changed.
Then one day he just simply vanished and no one could find him.
We reported it to the cops 24hrs after he couldn't be found at home or anywhere else we hung out, so they started searching for him. 72hrs after he'd been officially logged as missing I went for a walk with muppet's dog (Berkeley, that was the sense of humour Les had) as no one was really looking after him and Berkeley was also beginning to miss Muppet. I don't know what it was or the reason why, but I took him down some abandoned local railway tracks so he could be let off the lead and have a run (he didn't like other dogs). We got a little way in to the tracks, which were now overgrown and a nice tree lined area. A beautiful place to walk down or just sit and be. So I lit a spliff and went to let Berkley off the lead. Suddenly he took off and damn near wrenched my arm out of its socket. All I could do was hold on to the lead and run after him.
Berkley ran straight to a very tall tree and stopped at the bottom, whining and whimpering. He sat down and wouldn't move, no matter how much I shouted at him. He was just staring and barking at the tree. I thought maybe he'd scented a squirrel because they were his favourite things to chase (and never catch). So I kept quiet, listening for the sounds of claws on the bark. Nothing. So I looked at the tree and seeing there was nothing there, I looked round the back side of the tree.
That's when I saw them.
A pair of Timberland boots.
They were Muppet's, I could tell by the scuff marks on the toes.
They were about 8ft off the deck.
It turns out that he'd hanged himself from one of the branches wearing his favourite boots and one of our friend's hoodies that he'd borrowed, so he could be near him all the time he was in prison. I had to cut him down and call the police, not what I should have done, in hindsight, but I couldn't just leave him there like that. I don't know how long I sat there with him, it felt like an eternity until the cops turned up. It still feels like an eternity now.
August this year will be thirty years since it happened. I'm 48 now and it's still as raw as if it had happened yesterday. I miss that damn muppet and his infectious smile and laugh, I wish he could be around still to meet my two young lads, he'd have been an epic Uncle to them.
So every time I hear this track by Ren I get to bawling my eyes out. I'm having trouble seeing through the tears as I type this now. I know EXACTLY what Ren has been through with Joe and is still going through to this very day.
My advice? Be strong brothers, call, shout, talk, holler, scream - say fcking something to someone. There IS life beyond the point you're at now, no matter HOW bad you think it is in the moment, it's thousands of times better further on down the road.
But you've *GOT* to take that first STEP, because
"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step"
Chapter 64 of the Dao De Jing.
Laozi - Chinese philosopher.
I've been struggling myself with some mental health issues (not suicidal ones, my kids need me to be around) and I've recently taken the first step and joined my local men's mental wellbeing group. I've always been fiercely independent to the stubborn point of "I'll sort this out myself, no one else should do it."
With this though, I feel that I'm in new undiscovered territory and it's not something I can do myself.
Asking doesn't cost you anything, if anything it saves you lots. It also saves everyone else around you the heartbreak Ren writes about in this song.
Please do yourself and everyone else around you a favour - find someone who CAN help you.
Ren is a wordsmith a lyrical genius. His words made me feel feelings I'd buried long ago. I don't burden others with my issues. We are men it's what we taught from a young age I don't know any other way.
The talent behind being able to take something so personal and being able to turn it into a way so many people can relate to is amazing. Ren is definitely another lvl musician 🎶
This song helped me reach out and talk, if its OK for Ren to cry and be upset its OK for me. It seems such a simple thing now but it was a massive thing to open up about my pain at the time. I love your reactions ❤❤❤❤
Thank you for reacting to this beautiful song R.I.P Joe Hughes, please please more Ren always love your reactions , I have followed Ren for the past 7 years and his music and art saved my life when I needed it ❤❤❤
I love the way Ren's music knocks down the barrier that keeps this as well as other important topics. The way he describes how feeling suicidal feels. I've lost a friend to suicide, and have been suicidal and thiscsong hit pwefectly because he is speaking so openly about it.
I love ren. His talent is unparalleled. I've heard this song 75+ times and I'm still never ready for how hard that last verse hits me. And i love when you said you never heard a song describe your experience so well. I felt the same about his song how to be me. And that is part of what makes Ren so amazing. Not only does he make INCREDIBLE music, but he is able to reach out and touch so many people in a way very, VERY few artists have been able to. Ever. You don't just hear his music, you feel it.
Your reaction touches me very deep.
My husband and father comitted suicide.
You described all the feelings so well. Thank you. ❤❤
I'd recommend his less known songs Crutch, Hold On, Heretic, Humble, and Genesis. Crucify Your Culture is 'the' rock anthem for this age. And for more of his fun cheeky side Right Here, Right Now and Love Music Part 4 are great. And that's just to get you started.
My father committed suicide the last day of my junior year in high school. People always think of the poor suicide victim, not the permanent pain the survivors go through. It leaves scars on your soul like a severe burn victim has on his or her face...but no one sees it.
Ren is perfect for this day and time. So many people hurt.
Excellent work spotting the two perspectives in this song. The first of people considering suicide and second of losing someone to suicide.💕👍💕
Fgs. How many times can this song still hit me in the feels and make me cry 😢 thought I was past it but clearly not 😂 great reaction thank you ❤
I've been chronically depressed and inactively suicidal for decades. I hit every emotional step on the way down through this song too. You should watch his Chalk Outlines performance with Chinchilla too. Also, One More Light by Linkin Park is amazing too.
Btw ... thank you for the way you talk about suicide. So many people are afraid to. It makes us feel unseen. Thank you for seeing it differently.
The idea of being 5 minuets quicker, and making a difference that would have kept him alive. That idea of hoping wishing he could have done anything to change the result hits so many angles beyond suicide, and into accidents or not calling before someone dies. This song his hard for my own loss in the past. The image of burying childhood, innocence of youth. Hit home for me in a way few understand. If by some miracle I meet Ren I would give the man a hug.
Ren is on another level. How to be me. Is incredible as well. Not the best tune to listen too when your suffering. When no one would miss you like this
I would love to see your reaction to Ren's "crutch" it one of his best over looked songs
I've just come here from a reaction to Crutch by theguywithabow. I had recommended Crutch to him as his explanations and breakdowns of Ren's songs are SO interesting and informative.
@@toniyoung5131- yes! Thatguywithabow has some amazing insights into Ren’s music. He needs more subs. Crutch and SickBoi are 2 of his best.💕👍🦇
Thank you for having the courage to do this reaction. This must have been difficult because of your friend and your own experience. You're very strong and a inspiration for a lot of people
Thank you so much for this reaction. It was great to see a therapist's take on it. This song had me bawling the first few times I listened. It's one of my favorite songs by Ren. I lost my brother in 2021 to suicide. He was 46 and I was 45. I still have times when I am caught unaware by a random event or song or scene in a show, and I start crying. This song and watching reactions to it has helped me a lot.
You need to see Dominos by ren. So impactful and relevant to curent social pressures
Ren gives the ultimate gift and teaches us is UNDERSTANDING 💖 this was about his Friend Joe as Ren was 2 minutes away from the bridge and couldn't save him.
I will never regret not going through with my plans. This song is a poignant reminder why. I’ve been suicidal at varying points in time and severity and have lost people to suicide.
I just wish my stepson had a therapist like you and not the one who got struck off and then maybe things would have turned out different big respect to you and your compassion and genuinely good soul
Ya. That 2nd half does it to me every time. Condolences on your loss.
This is one of the best reaction videos for Ren. Thank you for showing your vulnerability and sharing that with us.
From someone who suffers with mental health, every song that Ren creates touches me deeply. Some of Ren's songs always being me to tears 😭 no matter how many times i listen to them.
Yes Ren is an absolute lyrical genius, but he touches so many of us in a deeply emotional way because it's real and raw. Through his own illness and mental health struggles Ren is able to write these masterpiece's from within, and that makes everything he does so authentic and organic.
Thank you again for sharing this video. I ❤ the channel.
Survivors of family and friends who took their lives needs to be addressed more than it is. Ren's music covers this topic perfectly because his best friend ended his life so he knows how it feels, and he thoroughly gets it. I don't think many understand how much this effects the survivors until they go through it. You never get over it, and struggle to get through it. I loss my brother to suicide and I've never been impacted so hard by anything in my life like that. It's horrible. The guilt eats me alive because I feel like if I had known, I could have stopped him. I also feel like nobody gives a crap about how the survivors feel.
First song to ever make me cry. It describes it so perfectly that it feels like I myself am going through it. A few of my friends are depressed and I can just picture this happening and being late. It’s so vividly described and that makes me so emotional
I can see your light, it glows through your emotion and expression. The word suicide is blocked online because governments and media have a lot to be answerable too. RIP to all our friends 💔
Impossible to listen to Sui!cide and not sob. Every time it grabs you right in the heart and squeezes. Thank you for being so raw, sharing your wisdom and experience with us, Taylor.
I've been severely chronically ill for 15 years now and have felt the urge to end it all multiple times as I was in so much pain and nobody could help me. It's been a lonely road and in some ways I've lost a big part of myself and my youth. This song has been instrumental in changing my perspective.
It's hard to put on words how the way you talked about this really inspires.
Now you are beginning to understand how rare Ren is, what an artist he is, and empathy for what he had lived through both with his dealing with chronic illness and losing a close friend to this. That was needed by so many people.
For me I connect with Ren because of my chronic illness (Type 2 Diabetes with polyneuropathy, Hypertension, and Kidney Disease). I felt seen abd acknowledged. I can empathize with loose someone I care about because of the loss of my parents and my brother. But those losses weren’t by taking their life. I could see connecting to and feeling this song. It hurts. Thank you for bring vulnerable with us on your channel. But I think you are right this hurt helps us heal and feeling acknowledged as you are not only one who felt this storm of overwhelming feeling when events like this happens to family or close friends.
Ren I constantly amazes me.I think Ren intellectually knows there was nothing he could have done to get to Joe in time. But his emotions about Joe won’t let him forgive himself. Plus the pain of losing Joe. I see you feeling similar emotions about your friend. You never get over the loss for the rest of your life you are only able to help yourself deal with it in a healthy way such as the work you do.
Have a virtual 🤗 hug. Take care of yourself so you can take care of others.
Thank you. I haven't had a cry like that in some time. Having someone with you, even just on a youtube video was a good release that I have not had in too long.
You really, really should check out "For Joe" soon. Even if just for yourself. Its an extension of the last part of this, and Ren carries it through to a healthy place. As profound and important as this video is, it leaves a gaping hole of hurt deep inside. Please, for yourself, the channel, or both: check out For Joe. ❤🙏🏻
This! Please watch "For Joe" soon.
Thank you for this reaction. I lost my brother to Suicide a couple of years back. I stumbled across Ren not long after and his music helped me process my grief. This very powerful song came along later but it tore open a whole torrent of emotions for me again and continues to do so with every re-listen.
Ren made the internet cry the night this dropped much love from 🇬🇧
@HeartSupport I was having a really rough time with my depression yesterday. I felt very down, but part of my depression is that I can't seem to experience emotions strongly, either high or low, and I often wish I could. Seeing you experience this song so strongly actually allowed me to cry and get that emotional release, which helped tremendously. Keep up the great work.
As a side note, a lot of Beartooth's recent stuff has had some really positive mental health messages, you should check out Riptide and Think I Might Love Myself.
So glad you've discovered Ren and are moving outside of your standard reaction genres. Subbed to follow along with your journey down the rabbit hole. So many layers, so many levels, so much talent.
Ren has healed me a hundred times over and I didn't even realise just how much I was broken. ❤
I am sorry for your loss. Thank you that you decided to still react to this. And let your tears show.
I have a friend, where I have fear of her committing suic!de everyday. It's tough. I really have fear. I know those thoughts by myself. But she is the first person where I have the feeling she will do it and it's only a matter of time and it leaves me really helpless because she and I tried almost everything and trauma is the cause of her pain. It's so complex. Do you have tips how to react if she will do it, when I can't do anything anymore?
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I hope the team here have responded to you.
Are you in the uk or?
There is somewhere I know in London, not for profit house in Hornsey.
You need to be a bigger team than just you.
I would say that people are most often in it or not… it’s not a half measure feeling.
Be direct and as commentators here have said, showing that we aren’t afraid to say suicide and related words, help release the talking part of a person.
If we are talking we are more consciously processing.
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I lost a very close friend to suicide. The feelings are real.
@HeartSupport - Music to Improve Your mindset This song was a lot for me personally. I watched my mom struggle with mental health from the time I was 7 all the way up until she ultimately died by suicide when I was 20. When I first heard it and the song got to the outro I just started crying. The way that he perfectly articulated the whirlwind of emotions that I went through when it happened was almost scarry. I've never felt so seen and like someone out there just gets it. I'm still struggling a little over 2 years after my mom died but things like this make it just a little bit easier. I'm so glad I came to this reaction as well because you also understand and your reaction again made me feel seen and finally convicted me to get some therapy I don't really know where to start but I'm ready to start trying to heal at least some. Ever since my mom died my life has been kind of down hill but over the past month I've been trying to get back up and this song and reaction could not have come at a better time. Thank you for the video and for sharing your story as well.
edit: (same day) I actually went to your website and signed up to get a mentor I'm really glad I found your channel hopefully this is the start of something good. I know it probably won't happen but I hope I get you :)
Diazepam is a phenomenal Ren song. Up there with suicide...
No, their are fallening through the cracks of their expectations of how life should percive them. It's that consistent humilliation that causes the end, Suicide, Suicide, Suicide.
I found ren by a friend to help me deal with the depression from losing my mom and being alone now. And this helped me show the pain i would cause those i call friends
Thank you for sharing your reaction. I've watched Ren: Hi Ren a hundred times, but I've been worried about watching some of his other songs. Listening to them alone would be more then I could take. It's good to cry together, even though we've never met.
It is a gift. Ren is breaking all the rules about what music is in 2024. I’d love to watch you watch his 1M subscribers video. It will confirm that he is everything that you hope he js. His real suffering has created a human with so much empathy, wisdom, and understanding. 🖤