Why Did God Create The Tree of Good and Evil if He Knew Adam and Eve Would Eat From it? - Ravi
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Apologist Ravi Zacharias died May 19th, two months after he announced he had been diagnosed with cancer. He was 74. Ravi's memorial funeral will be streamed live on RUclips and on Facebook on Friday, May 29th. Today, we honour his remarkable life and ministry by reliving this outstanding interview with Cheryl Weber recorded with him exactly 10 years ago this month.
Ravi preached in more than 70 countries and authored more than 30 books in his 48-year career, teaching Christians to engage with skeptics and arguing that the Christian worldview has robust answers to humanity’s existential questions
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Plz raise ur voice today on(2n Nov 2020)was hearing of Arzo's case n they declare her Muslim n sent her to shelter home instead to gave her to her parents plzzz world help she is minor n islamic law doesn't allow any minor to do what they want but this shows nooooooo justice for Christians. She is a Christian 13 years old girl we want her to come back home before Christmas so we all sent her Christmas presence on this Christmas we all loves Arzo n her family n want justice for her so plz help us 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Is all deference churches around the world are true Christians or is only one according to the bible?
@Christian Gospel Hype - so, why did Satan KEEP any angelic powers, though, and why was he owed any access to Eden?
Also, did Eve know he existed, or of the wider stakes, beyond to her and Adam's lives, alone?
@@mitchellc4 "The meek shall inherit the Earth"
"Dust you are and unto dust you shall return"
The false Christian teaching that man goes to heaven or to hell when he dies is nowhere found in the Bible.
Even Jesus was dead for 3 days before God resurrected him.
Man's only hope after he dies is the resurrection of the dead at the last judgement.
A Lion in a cage is harmless, the true character of a person is exposed in freedom, the ability to control his behaviour is the purest form of worship.
What you say is very philosophical and I can understand what you say, but if that was gods real intention why did he not give Adam and Eve knowledge from the get go?
You also mention freedom, what is real freedom to you? Is it being able to be unapologetically yourself and not having the pressure to conform with socially accepted norms, and to be without the weight of judgement from society?
Or maybe something else?
A lion in a cage is harmless? Is he alone in the cage? And if the lion is and is harmless does that mean those who put him there should be feared?
@@liveanadventure429 God knows the power of knowledge more than anyone else. He kept it hidden for the same reason neuclear knowledge is kept a secret today. In the wrong hands this knowledge can have severe consequences.
Today the earth is in crisis because man wants to gain more knowledge wants to send rockets to space, what are the consequences on this planet we call home. What have we left for our children?
@@sunrise8015 nuclear knowledge is in the wrong hands, the only reason nuclear bombs are made is because the creator intends to use them, wether now or in the future, but if god knows everything that was is and will be I don’t understand why god even bothered creating us knowing where it would lead us
Firstly I won’t give you knowledge but there’s a tree that contains it and because I know everything, I know you will eat of it and gain knowledge that I didn’t want you to have, so either why not give the knowledge or not make the tree, they seem like the two glaringly obvious choices but that’s not how it happened
Then and correct me please because I don’t know the bible like you probably but then the world fell into sin from that point and the world went down the toilet so to speak, like it has now, so god sent his sun Jesus to absolve us of our sins? The sins that god knew would happen even before he decided to create us?
Now I’m sure if I asked someone if they had a child and here’s some money can please get me these things from the shops so I can make dinner for us later, but that person knew that lots of people had been mugged and beaten up near the shops, would they send their child to the shops ? I’d expect the majority would say, no way, but if their child also had that knowledge but still wanted to go, I’d expect most parents would still it’s not happening, and why? Because I don’t want anything bad to happen to you they’d say
I’m just trying to make sense of it, but it seems I’m struggling to do so
@@liveanadventure429 will you go in for a child knowing that there was a 50% chance the baby would develop a dibilitating illnesses.
Many of us would, even if autism, epllepsy, diabetes, runs deep in the family. Do you know why, because of the other 50% HOPE that things may turn out well. Just like us God has given us the freedom and hopes we make the right choises.
Without free will, the actions made by men would not be good or evil, but trivial, and in a trivial environment there is no possible worship at all, let alone commitment or love.
When I asked my Mom this, she asked me a question in return, she asked me why I chose to have children when I knew they were going to be rebellious, or temperamental? Then everything made sense about God. Needless to say, I didn’t need her answer, her question was enough.
Well, God commanded us to be fruitful and multiply. He did not say anything about not having rebellious or temperamental children. Apples and oranges.
Love this answer... thank you
Heather Lucero, your mother is not only smart but she knows God’s love is much like parent’s love
@@cynthiasammy3668 she has been my guiding light l..... so much I never understood that she said to me growing up until I was saved. I just pray I plant those same seeds in my children.
How does this answer the question about the tree? The tree was put there as a temptation, so what have you given your children to tempt them?
The question is, would you punish your children for the rest of their lives for being rebellious as children like god is doing to humans?
There were two trees named amidst others: the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They are symbols of the two lives. The tree of life is God's life and nature which He created man into and desires man should continue to live in. The second, the tree o of knowledge of good and evil represents the life independent of God where man lives by himself and faces the consequences thereof. God created man as a free thinking being and desires that man should choose to worship Him by freewill not as robot. It is in being just and living up to His justness that He gave man the opportunity to choose. Unfortunately, man chose a life independent of God and have been facing the consequences since then. Salvation as brought by Christ was God offering man an opportunity to connect back to the tree of life which he jettisoned at Eden. We still need to choose today to connect to the tree of life which is Christ. God is still not forcing anybody just as it was in the beginning.
Good explanation Martin but your answer only makes sense if you ignore the assumption in the original question. The question was why did God create them if he knew adam and eve will eat of the tree. The key is the foreknowledge. We would have freedom and love if we only assume that God did not know that Adam would eat of the tree, in which case Adam would indeed have had an option not to eat of the tree. But if on the other hand God knew Adam was gonna eat of the fruit, then Adam's will becomes irrelevant because his action is already destined. This is the paradox in our faith, we want to assume that God is all loving and all knowing. I don't think he can be both. I believe God is loving but not all knowing, because he gave us the will to choose.
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You have said the most the most closest explaination EVER SIR THANKYOU FOR THOSE WORDS GOD BLESS YOU!
Context is everything. From a parenting context, the short answer is another question. Why would any parent tell their children not to do something knowing they're going to disobey? All parents do this. In this context, God is a parent talking to His children. . . . From a Free Will context, we must first properly label the 2 opposing trees in the garden. Since one of the trees is labeled the The Tree Of Life, the other tree can be properly labeled the Tree Of Death. So in order to understand the commandment forbidding eating from the Tree Of Death versus eating from the Tree Of Life, you must understand the importance of the very first commandment that preceded it. The first commandment in Genesis says, Be Fruitful And Multiply. This commandment is so important that it was repeated twice before giving Adam and Eve the second commandment which forbids eating from the Tree Of Death. This is where the first exercise of Free Will occurs. God gives you the choice -- you can choose life or you can choose death. Today we know this as Pro-Choice (Pro-Death is the proper label) vs Pro-Life. By disobeying the second command, you will automatically choose to have less children or no children at all, which leads to the death of mankind. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil represents education and knowledge without understanding the effect of a mis-education, and deceptive information on an individual's desire to be fruitful and multiply. We will all perish for lack of understanding and crashing fertility rates. Or Voluntary Complicit Extinction. Therefore, we purposely choose death over life. We purposely choose Terminal Depopulation.
@@tbaiyewu when God says He knows the future then He knows that the first couple will fail? Right? Wrong. When the plane your about to use will crash will you still ride in it? Then why many people die from plane crash? Same scenario you don't blame someone when your committed action fails. God’s knows but he still created a way for humans to be save. Our freedom only make sense with obedience to God, your freedom when you put your thoughts separate to God’s thoughts are temporary. Do you question the Judge of the universe who created it base on Love?
If you ever ask a simple question and get a very looooong answer! Something is not right .
since when your teachers in school answer your question with one word or 1 phase?
apply it with physics then
Short answer: To allow mankind to experience free will (moral agency), and allow us to choose between good and evil.
Long answer:
If Adam and Eve had never eaten the fruit, they would have never disobeyed God, and would have never been kicked out of the garden, and would have never left the presence of God. If they never left the presence of God, they would never have been placed in a position to choose between good and evil without being overly enticed by the good.
God wants us to choose Him of our own free will, but in order to do that, He had to create a situation that would allow our first parents to leave His presence.
Jesus was prepared to be our Savior from the beginning, before the world was even created, for the very purpose of bringing us back into the presence of God. This was His plan for us from the beginning.
Hold up... God creates two beings with child level understanding of the world and with no other humans to interact with, one day Eve meets a talking serpent who deceives her into eating the fruit. Mind you the serpent is actually the devil in disguise, someone with inconceivable number of years of experience. And he came out of nowhere! God allowed Satan in so he can deceive them and he knew satan was going to be successful too since he knows everything ... God did not give them an experience necessary to teach them about deceit and other things we learn from experience... Why do you find this to be a good plot?
@@jamesmswenko8292 seeing as though they were the first in existence, talking serpent would not seem out of the ordinary as they would not be aware that serpents could not speak. Now picture as though you were there in the garden of eden and you had a beautiful life, dominion of the animals and a beautiful companion and all of this was granted to you by God. God tells you that you should not eat from this one tree, you use your free will, make a choice and eat from the tree. If God had not given the option to eat from the tree their lives would carry no purpose as without choice, love can not exist. Love is the essence of that which gives life purpose. God giving Adam and Eve the freewill to choose to eat the fruit was granting them the ability to love (to choose).
If reality was in the means of a mechanical engineer that dictated the outcome of every situation then where is the life and where is the love? You seem to ask a question without considering what the contrary may look like. The fact that you have the ability to make this comment on RUclips is applying the God given ability of choice in you. I think we could both agree we enjoy the freedom to write these comments and converse with eachother, yes? Therefore that sounds to me as a positive creation and a good plot or good outcome as you may put it.
@@justinklassen2965 well think of this if we dont do what he wants we burn forever how is that love? It sounds rediculous if you ask me
@@justinklassen2965 cognitive dissonance 😂
@@FINESTGAMER100 I'm sorry but you have it mixed up, it has nothing to do with what we do but how we be. Christianity is a humble ground of understanding that the life we live should never be taken for granted as we were gifted it and therefore you can not take pride in something that is given. God only asks us to choose him instead of ourselves and sin. If we do so we are rewarded with eternity in paradise..
Let me ask, did your father discipline you when you disobeyed his asking? I hope so and the same way there will be discipline or consequence for disobeying the Lord. It's made very clear that all we have to do is choose him and choose to love creation.
If you think that is too much to ask and feel as though him giving you life and choice, with reward or consequence, is not love than how would you do it if you were God?
Because He wanted us to give Him our love freely not to be forced.
Whaaat ? not forced ?? yeah...hell await us if we don't love him......
Ateo forever No hell awaits when you move away from the light (God). Change your perspective and you may see clearly
@@dreday77764 Isn't the same thing ? free will is a joke, at the end you get beaten/tortured forever for not going His way......
@@ateoforever7434 how? We choose to go to hell. We don’t deserve heaven at all. We are all sinners. He gave us the choice to believe in Christ or not.
@@EL-zr2hb NO he didn't...the majority of the world population knew nothing of what was going on in Palestine/Israel....everything revolved around that speck of land....outside of that, nothing was known for a thousand years....Russians/Indians/Japanese/europeans/africans ( except Egypt )...knew nothing of the bible, it was meant only for the warring parties of that land....what does say to us today ?....that humans wrote that book....for themself , wasn't meant to spread much further..but it did.
My problem with this question is that if you ask this same question to say 10 other religious experts, you will get different answers. The first guy gave his own thoughts, the second guy gave his own thoughts, so how do we now know who is saying the real truth and who is far from it?.
If you ask me, they both didn't do any justice to the question, but I like the fact that the second guy first played the technicality card by saying christians also ask the question, before answering the question. With what I've watched, I'm over convinced that religious leaders answer questions based on their human understanding, beliefs and ideas; if they're getting their answers from the same omniscient god, their answer should at least correspond and not sound like one school of thought vs another school of thought.
Multiple interpretations means you may hear an answer that resonates with you, which may not work for me. Read the four gospels, they’re all similar but different. Corroboration is key as the same answer/story won’t resonate with everyone. God bless you.
Greetings. I believe you could only give an answer according to your own personal experience with God as a result of your own personal relationship with him. The secret relies in the free will there's no other logic explanation if that what you're looking for. That's the beauty of God He knows the beginning and the end. No question about it. Oh, how great are God's riches and wisdom and knowledge! How imposible it is for us to understand his decision and his ways! Romans 11:33 NLT
That's the more reason you don't need to rely on them to tell you if the bible is correct or not
You can use you logic and reasoning
Enough of these Bible and Quran bs.🙄🙄
They both actually said the same truth. With different words. But the best way to find the truth. Isn't listening to two men give the answer. But rather for you to read the bible and hear the truth from God himself. Because he answers the questions you need to know to be saved.
without choice, loves does not exist says it all
why ask God’s purpose from man’s understanding
Good question. The truth can only be found through prayer and spiritual connection to God
Why not
The Truth is hiding in God's design. And God's design is hiding in plain sight. Simply remove the blinders and take another closer look.
it is important not to be deceived by the sugar coated answers. being deceived is hard to find out! Praying that everyone will find TRUTH!
@@percykabini392 and that attitude is what led to a thousand years of torturing people that try to learn about the world
Ravi: "There can be no love without a choice." So true.
What's the reason of liking somebody and not everybody? That one - specifically and not anybody?
Love exists in many forms
@@reymarklapena6003 Building a family
@@Amor1990 you mean to build a family? Then if that would be the reason, why you choose your wife to have a family and not others? The question is.. why we can't control our likes,wants, dislikes, desire and others? In order for you to have a family you need first to have a opposite relationship. And love is required, what causes you to love? And to unlove others?. Why not me and others?
Is that the reason he raped, blackmailed, and sexually exploited tons of women?
Every man and woman has eaten from that tree of the knowledge of good and evil, at some point, having accepted the snakes lie and rejected Gods promises, preferring to choose to define good and evil for our own convenience. The question is not; "why did God put the tree in the Garden?" The question is; "why do you/we still choose to eat from it still today?"
Not very many likes, I think your comment hits people too hard.
Very well said my friend
Neil! Neil! Neil! I think that went above many heads, beautiful Question my brother!
This is too deep, this comment deserves way much more recognition.
Because what reason do I have to believe in someone who put me in danger fully aware of what was going to happen to me, and also decides to punish me after the result of HIS mistake
Even after the bad news about Ravi, it did not change the fact for me, that Ravi is a gift from God.
Could your view explains the reason why we have these injustices and why evil is in our world in your world view?
I see injustice and evil in the world tornados earthquakes and illness among many other things but I don't see the need to add a justification for god or devil to accept the natural explanation of why this happens. And everything seems strictly materialistic, and If I´m presented a God that make the rules because he is all powerful (unless you define god as not all powerful) then if the things that we describe as bad (Illness natural disasters and many others things) could be different if god wish them to be different but if he does allow bad things to happen is because maybe he doesn't exist or he wishes not interfere or he is indifferent to our existence and many other hypothesis that are unfalsifiable by the nature of the question. That why I asked what would change your mind if you have to chose what god if any is real (the loving god, the hating god, the indifferent god, the god that don't intervein and many other variations)
Furthermore if you think this god do actually makes something happen in our material world many Christians says is thought prayer but can you in any way say that praying is useful how can you actually know that praying does or does not make anything happen neither good or bad, and God would not interfere no matter what you do, then maybe your main effort of trying to do better with prayer and god is not useful.
I answer that is is actually impossible to know if god make something happen rather than chance so then is the same argumentation as before I don't see the need to add a justification for god or devil to accept the natural explanation of why things happens. And everything seems strictly materialistic with exception of miracles that are described on the sacred book of your choose like bible, quram, mormon book and on many other religions however this miracles stop to manifest in our current day with the exception of the ones that are no different than chance.
Now in the same terms the argument for evil is that God is the ultimate Justice and in the end everything will be fair and square even thought we have no reason to expect that to be true but in a sense is a security blanket to avoid facing the harshness of an indifferent reality whether it's heaven and hell or karma it serves the same purpose
My view in this matter is to actually face reality because when you realize that there's no good reason to believe that the natural world is anything other than indifferent to our existence and our perceptions of good and evil.
Dealing with reality on reality's terms is the only way to make any real improvements in the situation of course that life isn't fair but that's actually comforting if you think about it if life were fair that would imply that you actually deserve the bad things that happen (all that we have described suffering illness natural disaster and more) to you and that those who benefit from evil deeds are similarly deserving.
The realization that there's no reason to expect justice is what ensures that we take steps to impose justice the realization that good isn't always rewarded is what drives us to reward it when we see it the realization that evil isn't always punished is what drives us to work together as a cooperative society deal with our problems collectively and individually in a way that encourages real change and that hopefully minimizes harmful actions realizing that justice isn't guaranteed allows us to appreciate it when it happens and work toward ensuring it on a more regular basis
A particular god concept view of justice sometimes represents irresponsibility and injustice if the chosen religion has mankind born as reprobates guilty before we've taken a single breath responsible for things you have never done and it offers instant undeserved forgiveness for the most horrible of crimes and punishes people whose crime is disbelief when there was lack of evidence to support the believe.
This justice is more likely to be divine edict that could be arbitrary ultimately because there is nothing you can do to save yourself even if you wish to do it, if this God has not select you first to be saved.
Yes I realize that there are bad people out there who've escaped our flawed justice system do you realize that most religions systems says that they're all eligible for an eternal paradise.
How does that address the objection under the rules of a religion that a evil person (no matter the crime child abuser, murderer, dictatorship and the worst you can imagine) who escapes justice here can also escape ultimate justice under the rules of religion he may live forever in paradise while someone who spent their entire life doing good helping others and contributing in a generally positive way to the one and only life we're sure to get ultimately is judged unworthy of that reward
the problem for this justification of evil or justice if that shows no regard for real matters of justice, if the height is desire to feel special because a god thinks you're special and according to the paradigm anyone willing to believe and worship is special with no regard to justice or character or good or evil the law was established with full knowledge that no one would be able to fulfill it it was established to demonstrate this inability and then a loophole was established to let some people that god decide go through regardless of their standing with the law.
Yeah all of his sexual abuse was definitely a gift from God.
The question was never answered just say I dont know
I’ve been a Christian for over 60 years and I was asking this same question only a few weeks ago. This is the best answer.
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@@pastorchris9799 you shall face the wrath of God for doing this .
@@pastorchris9799 Sorry, so, from one Chris to another - WHY was Satan allowed to keep any powers, and did ANY angels ever get tested like Eve did? Who ended up choosing for people NOT born yet, and RADICALLY altering their nature and innate awareness, including of the 'test' they found themselves in?
And would children always want to be in eternity, with the protagonist, of say, Leviticus 25:46, or Samuel 15:15?
@@davidedmundtochi5228 Hmm, possibly here speaks another proclaimed expert?
@@okapislash5406 "we already have everlasting life". Who told you that you have everlasting life?
This is a false doctrine taught by mainstream false Christianity under the influence of Satan, just like Adam and Eve were.
On the contrary God told Adam and Eve "Dust you are and unto dust you shall return."
There is no mention of an immortal soul anywhere in the Bible.
9:30 ”When you know Christ, when you have a relationship, when your will transform to His will, you may find out why you are made in the first place”......short and sharp 🙏 Thank you Mr. Zachariah 💗
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
How you got sucked in by christianity ? shouldn't you pray to Khali ? or Vishnu ?
@@ateoforever7434 CHRISTIANITY IS NOT A RELIGION BRO. IT IS A FAITH ORIENTED EXERCISE LEADING TO LASTING SALVATION OF SOUL SPIRIT AND RESURRECTED BODY TO DWELLING OF PLACE MOST HIGH. GOD BLESS YOU TOO.
@@channakeshava4100 Yes....faith....because there's no real/ visual / tangible ...PROVABLE entity.....only faith ( hoping that it will be, what a book states )...you are only afraid of dying, and that there's nothing after...so you clinging to dreams.
@@ateoforever7434 nope. God reveals Himself several times through some people.
To prove that God gives US “Free Will” to love, follow, and serve him. Satan wants US to believe God is a slave master, and wants slaves not children that obey him as their Father. God gave Adam and Eve free will and an opportunity to trust him by faith rather than listen to the real slave master The Serpent, Satan.
Yea but God being all powerful already know what decisions they will make, and what that will bring, probably even before he created Adam and Eve, he knew they will eat the fruit and evil will spread, but he basically went with it anyways
@@JaedenCage He allowed it, as it was shown that Adam and Eve would still put their faith in God, even after being cast out of the Garden of Eden. It shows with every Significant Biblical Figure after Adam and Eve. The most prominent example is Moses. Many times, God put Moses to a test of faith, saying he had felt like abandoning the Israelites, time and time again after their doubts, though Moses insisted he should have faith in his people. God wasn't losing faith in the Israelites, he was seeing if Moses had faith in them, and therefore having faith in God. It always seemed like Moses was changing God's mind, but in reality, he knew Moses would stay humble, and often, he asked God to punish him before he did the Israelites. God finds pleasure in upheld faith in the moment.
Edit: In conclusion, would it really be fair if Adam and Eve had never eaten that fruit? Sure, they would have Eternal Paradise, and they will never commit sin, and always be righteous. But he gave us the free will to see us show our Faith in him through it. Jesus essentially opened an easier path to that by sacrificing himself on the Cross.
"But whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
John 4:14
It is our own choice to accept him as the creator, not to be forced on us.
@@JaedenCage God may not have known adam and eves choice. The bible gives several instances where it seems as tho God does not know every single thing. For example it clearly states "he felt regret at making man" when it comes to noahs flood. So God is all powerful but not every detail is known. He can maneuver things to happen like prophecy and the end times but does he know you will cuss out a customer you will meet at the grocery store 4 days from now? he may know you get paid 3 days from now and by your habits you are going to go to the grocery store in 4 days.
@@bubber25 exactly bro! I believe in the creator but it’s only these people perception it’s not factual.
Thank you for this... Whenever I pray and sing praises to the Lord wholeheartedly.. From nowhere suddenly there is a voice in my mind saying "Why do you praise so much??" Now I understand that it is the voice of the devil.. I love my almighty father so much! He offered his only son so that I may be rescued.. I love my Jesus.. He overcame all temptations and lived a sinless life so that he may give up himself as a sacrifice for me.. How great is the love of God! No words on this earth will be enough to glorify my father and his love for me!! I'm not going to give up to the temptations of the devil.. I'm going to love God 😘😘😍😍.. I thank God so much for this explanation given through you
Too bad he was not man of God he portrayed
Fair enough. But who is?
Actually quite the opposite. His sinful nature further exemplifies the fact that it's God with the power no Ravi. Even Moses slipped with God, Ravi is human, flaws and all. He did his best
@@FloridaGoth amen..
I miss Ravi too. But I believe he is not asleep but with God. He is being awarded for all he did on this earth and is blessed in the presence of God.
Good afternoon and Happy Sabbath. I used to think that the minute people die they are with God until I studied the Bible for myself and God taught me that’s not true. When we die , mans body is returned back to the ground and God takes back the Spirit which he gave to man that made man a living soul. The dirt of man plus Gods breath gives a living soul. In the Bible Jesus himself said in John 11:11-14 that Lazarus who he loved is sleeping, but he was talking about his death when he explained it to his disciples, because in verse 14 he makes it plain to them that when he said Lazarus is sleeping, I’m just making it plain that he is dead. When people die they do not go to heaven or in the presence of God, according to Jesus himself and His word, they are asleep and will remain asleep until the second coming of Jesus Christ, that’s when Ravi’s works will be rewarded and I pray that His works were genuinely from His heart. Many people do good things in the name of God but in their hearts lies ungodly motives. May God bless you and your family as we all prepare our hearts for Christ’s return.🙏🏽❤️💕
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@Jaylez1 So what precisely is Sheol, then? And where is the judgement seat?
@@Jaylez1 "... to be absent from the body, present with the Lord." 2 Cor. 5:8b
Dudes being awarded with shame. The man was basically David without the repentance
God did not create us to be a Robot.......He created a situation where we have the freedom of choice and a free will
And were burned in hell forever if we choose the opposite sounds rediculous
@@FINESTGAMER100 So u dont want to believe in God but go to heaven?
Yes..." freedom of choice and a free will "......i made my choices...using my free will........but apparently i will go to hell and be tortured forever.....
@@ateoforever7434 The lake of fire isn't eternal. Only the death is, not the suffering.
@@ateoforever7434 Do you not want to be with God in heaven?
A great Christian defender. May God bless his family and his ministry.
Amen
Hello Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (Godstime MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on +2348119343469) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you,
@@pastorchris9799 Hi Pastor am not serving a small God here. When I was a small boy I serve God and now a adult, Jesus Christ has become personal friend and saviour to me. If God can here my prayer and answer my prayer why should I fear. The Lord is my sharped and my comforter, and if Jesus is with me who shall against him. I believe in living God who is the great and powerful. I rebuke Devil satan in the mighty name of Jesus and with his Holy blood. Amen, glory to the lamb of God. Hi Pastor should stop sending such email to anyone because Gods eyes is upon you watching. Be careful before you deceive someone.
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The COVID-19 pandemic has been spreading across the world, and countless people are suffering. There is also the locust plague and floods. Do you think these are just coincidental occurrences? The Scripture even says that people will faint from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world. The day in which God brings His punishment upon this earth is this age because of the evil that people have committed.
@@조경숙-u3c God's judgment of this world has just begun. If people thought the Covid-19 pandemic was horrible and it is, we have not seen anything yet. There are to many people who place their faith and trust in man or in a particular political party instead of in Jesus to save us. There is no person or political party that can save us from ourselves. If people want to know what is coming upon this earth just read Matthew 24. It is going to be much much worse and will continue in intensity and frequency until Jesus returns to establish his kingdom of righteousness and justice.
I could answer this question in a 10 second video: “It’s just a creation myth, people! There was no garden of Eden, Magical Tree, or Talking Serpent!” Okay, make that 7 seconds.
When Ravi starts preaching and answering, he explanation of God is extremely supreme.... because one of the tools which defines God's supremacy is science itself. May God be praised!
Amen.
@@Cecilia-ky3uw that's exactly how Lucifer thinks...and then he starts questioning without knowing the answer and on and on...only for himself to find out his miserable fate because of his pride! Tadaaaaaaaa!
Funny that, Ravi could give a " extremely supreme " explanation.... without ever seen or hear god. It's called....( personal opinion ). Different from mine....
@@ateoforever7434 "blessed are those who believe in Me without even seeing me" Jesus once said.
@@taiteakopyte1286 The blessing gets us nowhere.....
u wanna see a man's true heart? give him total & absolute power.
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power - Abraham Lincoln.
Right that's what Satan is giving for a price! What you think you get is free ? No ! Your a slave and you think your free. And you want a slave but would not be one!
Wolves in sheep's clothing you get power , favoritism, etc you preach a fake love, you act like a hero, and yet I will tell you have a nice day to you people
And what are you going to do with that knowledge you have gathered by tempting the person, why do you put nuts before a mouse? This is God's fault to test human kind because a human being will react according to his or her little mind. If he had not tested them would have they sinned?
@@howardmamba9008 Putting nuts before mouse is different from putting a tree before Adam & Eve … Mouse have no free will nor can you expect obedience from them … Humans do have free will and they could choose to obey or not … God didn’t tempt them , but he gave them a choice …
Choice is a powerful word , which gives our lives a whole meaning … In everything we do , there’s a choice associated…
You propose to a woman, Yes/No is choice .. Without it there is no relationship.
In weddings , people say “I do” at last that implies a choice they take for the rest of their lives..
In our Job, parenting etc…everywhere we have choice today all because God started the idea of giving mankind a choice which makes life meaningful…. That tree in Eden symbolises choice .. unfortunately the very first human picked the wrong choice , that’s the difference… No mistake from what god put there…
You can't fathom infinite mind with your finite brain.
Love you LORD!
All that talk .just say you do not know.
@@clydeharradan8431 You don't know how the big bang came from nothing either
This needs to be taken down. This man was absolutely in no way, Christian. His ministry was fake and no one needs to continue to lift him up like he was a good person. He was a fraud and all the evidence is clear. In no way did this man repent before he died. My heart aches for his family and for all the victims he abused all these years.
Mary Catherine Mollica. Fake,abused? What do you mean? Please may i know why?
So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. Matt 23:3. We can still learn from their teachings but not follow their actions.
@@atulalkr7813 Look up RZIM Confirmed Statement.
@@atulalkr7813 You can follow this link to Mike Winger, a wonderful pastor who also looked up to Ravi and listen to him go over the full report regarding the evidence of Ravi's actions. ruclips.net/video/PcWeZS3cnNo/видео.html
you people are certified stone casters 😂
Part of the answer to this question lies in Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
Most Christians fail to recognise the importance of this verse.
God put two trees in the garden of Eden. The tree of all knowledge and the tree of everlasting life. The tree which bears the fruit of everlasting life was always there. Yet Satan chose to tempt Eve with the fruit of knowledge to discern good and evil. Satan did not want Eve to eat the fruit of everlasting life. Need I tell any of you, who bears the fruit of everlasting life? He did not appeal to Eve back then and he does not appeal to mankind even to this very day. Satan wants us to keep off the fruit of everlasting life even to this day.
Sadly we are no different from Eve, we ask our children to eat from the tree of knowledge, for it brings money, fame and worldly wealth.
Can I dare to ask knowledgeable Christians this question, did Jesus exist in the Garden of Eden as the Tree of life? For we know he bears the fruit of everlasting life.
Father - Son - Holy Spirit and Tree of everlasting life. Quadrinity??
This question is really deep and the truth is that it can only be answered by the Holy Spirit. I once asked this question and God took me to several scriptures, Romans 9 throws more light into the nature of God in relation to us as humans,even Paul the apostle writing under the power of the Holy Spirit left some deep questions unanswered (Romans 9:19-24).If Adam and Eve never ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil,Christ would not have come(he wouldnt have needed to come) and if Christ never came,we wouldn't have been made members of the Godhead,call it the " fourth" person in the trinity if you will,at best we would have lived forever here on earth,ruling all creation as God's representatives on earth. According to Romans 8:19-23,all creation is waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God. I believe (I may be wrong,I may have gotten a wrong interpretation into what the Spirit was teaching me), everything happening right now is all in God's plan. The whole creation had to be made vain in order to bring forth humans into the Godhead. This is what satan wanted all along,that's why he's so mad God gave us freely the very thing he always wanted and rebelled against God for. Ezekiel 28:11-19 and Isaiah 14:12-15.
@@chukwuemekaozumba5858 Praise Jesus for your valuable insight.
Not true watch this video. This video on Tree of Good & Evil reveals how The Wisdom of God is on another level and disproves freedom of choice ruclips.net/video/mjn_VJrSEmg/видео.html
Neither did God want them to eat of life. This video on Tree of Good & Evil reveals how The Wisdom of God is on another level and disproves freedom of choice ruclips.net/video/mjn_VJrSEmg/видео.html
Because God is making man into His image and surely that must require us to have that knowledge. Therefore God needed man to fall. Conclusion: it's all in His amazing plan!
It take so little to please your self ? BS is sufficient ?
@It’s Someone What you say is interesting but I started watching the video and it seems to be all about flat earth stuff which makes it laughable rubbish or is there something I'm missing?
God changed his mind....and now whoever goes to heaven must have plastic surgery ( fat lips and all ) because he does not want anyone to resemble himself. It's free up there.
@It’s Someone I can't believe what I just read now 🤔 where did you get this info
@It’s Someone YES
Unless inspired by the Holy Spirit, no one can interpret nor unlock the mysteries of God. No amount of human power or intelligence can fathom God for He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. There are things or information not written in the Scriptures. Hence, there is the Greatest Teacher, the Holy Spirit.
I agree. Just one comment, the attributes of God are human words and human ideas, i guess God knows better about himself than a bunch of priests arguing in a temple
I mean, maybe he's not omnipotent or omnipresent nor omniscient... it's easier for him to know how he is than for us
How do you know if you truly have Ruach aka holy spirit
NO QUESTION, GOD IS OMNIPOTENT. So therefore God can control his being omniscient.He can control his power of knowing in advance what the future holds.He may or He may not use it. But being omnipresent is not necessary. God's established dwelling place is in the heavens. Omnipresence means, can be found everywhere. But any place or part of the whole universe is readily accessible by his power.
@@kelseykjarsgaard5774 this very difficult to answer, because when Jesus left he said he is leaving us the spirit so everyone has that, it can intercede on our behalf to the father. So it's just becomes more evident when you grow your relationship with God, and spending time in the word, then the spirit becomes more alive and some of the mysteries of God make sense. Cause the holy spirit is a friend and a teacher...
Wish if the answer is straight, simple and uncomplicated. I think the answer and the introduction of trinity make them more complicated than the question.Sorry.
I've been asking my self this question for years now. I have so many questions... I trust God and I'll wait on him. We'll never know everything so it's ok not to know something. All I wish for is that evil ends one day and all good things live for ever.
Hello Beloved, I don't know you in person but God knows you. God ministered to me in a revelation when I was on your profile to see things around you,I saw blessings but spiritual attacks holding onto them,in prayers,i saw a woman in the realm of the spirit monitoring and plotting delay in your life, with an evil mirror, and with a motive to destroy. But as I speak to you now her time is up, Render hand of favour with Anything you can afford or give to these motherless foundation (Godstime MOTHERLESS FOUNDATION) in kebbi state nigeria before 2DAYS with faith, as I Rise my hands towards heaven and pray for you they shall serve as point of contact wherever you are, you will receive double portion of grace to excel and total restoration of breakthrough in your life and in the life of your family. Ask for their acct details and help them call the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details on (WhatsApp or call them now on +2348119343469) tell him I sent an you. For it is not by might nor by in power but of the spirit saith the lord (zechariah 4:6). You shall testify to the Glory of God in your life. God bless you.
Hey this is another answer to the fall. I'm not here to say that I'm right, but what do u think about it?
And thou hast beheld in thy youth his glory; wherefore, thou art blessed even as they unto whom he shall minister in the flesh; for the Spirit is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. And the way is prepared from the fall of man, and salvation is free.
5 And men are instructed sufficiently that they know good from evil. And the law is given unto men. And by the law no flesh is justified; or, by the law men are cut off. Yea, by the temporal law they were cut off; and also, by the spiritual law they perish from that which is good, and become miserable forever.
6 Wherefore, redemption cometh in and through the Holy Messiah; for he is full of grace and truth.
7 Behold, he offereth himself a sacrifice for sin, to answer the ends of the law, unto all those who have a broken heart and a contrite spirit; and unto none else can the ends of the law be answered.
8 Wherefore, how great the importance to make these things known unto the inhabitants of the earth, that they may know that there is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God, save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah, who layeth down his life according to the flesh, and taketh it again by the power of the Spirit, that he may bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, being the first that should rise.
9 Wherefore, he is the firstfruits unto God, inasmuch as he shall make intercession for all the children of men; and they that believe in him shall be saved.
10 And because of the intercession for all, all men come unto God; wherefore, they stand in the presence of him, to be judged of him according to the truth and holiness which is in him. Wherefore, the ends of the law which the Holy One hath given, unto the inflicting of the punishment which is affixed, which punishment that is affixed is in opposition to that of the happiness which is affixed, to answer the ends of the atonement-
11 For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so, my firstborn in the wilderness, righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility.
12 Wherefore, it must needs have been created for a thing of naught; wherefore there would have been no purpose in the end of its creation. Wherefore, this thing must needs destroy the wisdom of God and his eternal purposes, and also the power, and the mercy, and the justice of God.
13 And if ye shall say there is no law, ye shall also say there is no sin. If ye shall say there is no sin, ye shall also say there is no righteousness. And if there be no righteousness there be no happiness. And if there be no righteousness nor happiness there be no punishment nor misery. And if these things are not there is no God. And if there is no God we are not, neither the earth; for there could have been no creation of things, neither to act nor to be acted upon; wherefore, all things must have vanished away.
14 And now, my sons, I speak unto you these things for your profit and learning; for there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are, both things to act and things to be acted upon.
15 And to bring about his eternal purposes in the end of man, after he had created our first parents, and the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and in fine, all things which are created, it must needs be that there was an opposition; even the forbidden fruit in opposition to the tree of life; the one being sweet and the other bitter.
16 Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should act for himself. Wherefore, man could not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one or the other.
17 And I, Lehi, according to the things which I have read, must needs suppose that an angel of God, according to that which is written, had fallen from heaven; wherefore, he became a devil, having sought that which was evil before God.
18 And because he had fallen from heaven, and had become miserable forever, he sought also the misery of all mankind. Wherefore, he said unto Eve, yea, even that old serpent, who is the devil, who is the father of all lies, wherefore he said: Partake of the forbidden fruit, and ye shall not die, but ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.
19 And after Adam and Eve had partaken of the forbidden fruit they were driven out of the garden of Eden, to till the earth.
20 And they have brought forth children; yea, even the family of all the earth.
21 And the days of the children of men were prolonged, according to the will of God, that they might repent while in the flesh; wherefore, their state became a state of probation, and their time was lengthened, according to the commandments which the Lord God gave unto the children of men. For he gave commandment that all men must repent; for he showed unto all men that they were lost, because of the transgression of their parents.
22 And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.
23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.
24 But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.
25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.
26 And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall they have become free forever, knowing good from evil; to act for themselves and not to be acted upon, save it be by the punishment of the law at the great and last day, according to the commandments which God hath given.
27 Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.
28 And now, my sons, I would that ye should look to the great Mediator, and hearken unto his great commandments; and be faithful unto his words, and choose eternal life, according to the will of his Holy Spirit;
29 And not choose eternal death, according to the will of the flesh and the evil which is therein, which giveth the spirit of the devil power to captivate, to bring you down to hell, that he may reign over you in his own kingdom.
30 I have spoken these few words unto you all, my sons, in the last days of my probation; and I have chosen the good part, according to the words of the prophet. And I have none other object save it be the everlasting welfare of your souls. Amen.
Adam and eve were like children in the dangerzone
How many times have you denied sin and temptation?
Big bro, it's really okay to say you don't know when you don't know
God planted the tree because he wanted Adam and eve to have the fruit and then to have fruit of life. But the time to eat the fruit that was need to be revealed to them. So till that time God restricted them not to eat. And Satan knew if the will eat the fruit they will surpass Satan. So he tempted them to have it before time. And then instead of a gift it become a curse...... in same sense we are allowe to have sex after marriage. But a time is set by God. But Satan tempt us to do it before time.
What on earth was the first person talking about.
Both men are saying the same thing it's only that the first guy is describing it through a scientific lens which makes it confusing.
Neither of these guys have good answers. It's embarrassing.
@Get 2 it could have something to do with their roundabout, non-answer responses. Just a bunch of manipulative garbage.
@Get 2 with all due respect, the answer is not "because." That's an answer parents give 3-year-olds when they can't properly justify the kid not eating ice cream for dinner. It's a lazy answer. I'm sorry but God isn't so complicated that we can't understand. The real, actual answer is simple yet not simplistic:
First, there is opposition in all things - a balance, if you will - and the tree was the balance. Second, God's FIRST commandment was to multiply and replenish the earth. Because it was first, it held more weight than caring for the garden and not eating the fruit. Third, Eve knew and relayed to Adam (and most Christians agree) that they could not be obedient to the first commandment while in their garden state-of-being, or without "falling." They would have to eat the fruit. If they didn't, they would be disobedient to that first commandment.
This is why eating the fruit was NOT a sin (meaning they did something wrong). A sin would be regressive. What they did was transgress. They chose a path and went with it.
This is the truth about the tree.
@Get 2 wow, the actual sin was in the decision itself
So is it like, the moment u decide to think about eating it, its already a sin?
Rest in Peace, sweet soldier of Christ!
The world is worse off with you gone!
HC-JAIPUR (Easter 2021)
If you believe a man who has taken advantage of many women over many years is a soldier of Christ, then you are sorely mistaken. There is a good chance this man was never saved, but merely a good debater.
@@davej7878 do you have any hard proof of your accusation of our brother in Christ? Cause if you ate wrong you and many like you may find your self in opposition with God. I'd be very careful and what I say without knowing the truth. It's very possible that the world hates Ravi because first it hated Jesus. The devil clearly wanted to attack Ravi as much as possible and even after his death he is being attacks. Just becareful that you are not doing the work of Satan by slandering this man who is no longer able to defend him self.
What kind of a dumb statement is “the world is worse off with you gone"?. The world was worse off generations before he was born, the world was worse off while he was alive and the world didn't change one bit after he died.
@@davidemeghe9623 Two things are clear -
English isn't your first language.
Logic (and reasoning) isn't your forte.
(That thumbs-up is as a reward for responding, not because your response has any merit.)
HC-JAIPUR (19/05/2021)
What makes marriage special is that your spouse had the option to say, "I don't".
The difference is when one says “I don’t” they don’t burn in hell forever they move on to someone else. So your forced to say “I do”
@@_AYAX_ then why bother if you dont beleive in God then you shouldnt beleive in hell too
@@_AYAX_ yeah because there is only One True God. If you reject Him , He doesn’t send you to hell - you are getting your highway tickets to hell. God in the Bible laments what harm did I do to you so that you hate me ? Will a God ask that ? Doesn’t it show how mad His love for you and me is.
The only mistake He has done is giving you and me the freedom to think. That’s why atheists ask all these stupid questions.
@@debuhokontra2006 I don't believe in heaven, hell or any god/gods
@@55Quirll why?
Adam and Eve did not know what is good and evil before eating that fruit. It is a self defeating paradox. And this god punishes them and their descendants for thousands of generations?
And they disobeyed as he'd planned for them to. No true free will there. And this lack of free will is what apparently led to us all having it? We are born into sin. No choice there either.
If i may say also that the very answer to the question "if God knew that Adam and Eve will eventually eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil- why put it there in the first place?" is actually written there in Genesis chapter 2: 8 and 9 were it says:
"The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed. And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil."
We have to understand and realise that the reason why these 2 (two) unique trees were there in the midst of the garden is because God decided to put it there for His own divine reason and purpose even before He created man and put him there in the first place. God wanted to show man who He is as the owner of the garden or land. It should be noted also that the garden was not full of wild or assorted trees but rather "fruit bearing trees that are good to eat and pleasing to the sight"...
Then after that, Genesis 2:15 says "Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it." --So this is why they were there! to minister to the Lord! To serve God as their way of showing their love for Him!
We should also notice that contrary to some assertions that "God promised if you don't eat the forbidden fruit you will not surely die"--this is a twisting of the actual narrative of God. (Because we have to remember that the Bible is God's means of communicating His will and mind to us.) The TRUTH is that God commanded them not to eat from that tree!
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." Genesis 2:16-17
So finally i would like to share that according to the Bible, God manifested His greatness by creating wonderful and amazing things like the whole universe. It declares His glory in every thing He did including the planting of those two unique trees in the garden. Then God created man in His very own image that they may be eternally blessed and grateful of such kindness and love shown to them by the Creator. God also immediately after creating man clearly identified His greatness and divine right by issuing the very first spoken commandment to make man see and understand who God is as ruler. They enjoyed fellowship with God and God was with them in the most unbelievable ways we never had the opportunity of. They saw how God looks like, He walked with them, talked with them regularly! Should i say more? Its truly an experience beyond words!
But then according to Romans 1:18 to 32, mankind began to loose grip of reality. their love for God diminished, their respect for Him slowly become as the wind, they did not even think it worthwhile to retain their knowledge of God's words, they became unthankful and begins to focus on themselves rather than keeping the relationship with God alive. What made them eat the forbidden fruit was not because there was a snake (Satan) who outwitted them, it was not the clever conversation of marketing strategy of the devil that made them fall for it. No, it was indeed their loss of love towards the Greatest Lover they could ever have. This is true of us really. We have sinned. But praise God! The Lord came walking in the cool of the day to remedy their situation! God became man and Jesus died for all of us in just the right time! (Romans 5:6 to 11) Anyone and everyone can receive salvation by believing His story of love, grace and salvation! Relationship with God will be restored if we surrender to the loving nail marked arms of Jesus! And the Blessed Lord- The Holy Spirit is here to lead and help us grow in faith and the knowledge of the Son of God (Ephesians 4: 7 to 16) and has given us biblical churches with real brothers and sisters to join us in celebrating real life as we all bless and thank and love and glorify our gracious and magnificent God who gave Himself for us! God bless!
Great writing.
Still, these beautiful words dodge the issue. God created humans from the dirt, imperfect and destined to sin. Heavy stuff
Thank you for quoting from the bible... I believe that the answer has always been there and unfortunately none of both these gentlemen used it! Clarity has been achieved with your answer and thank you so much for that! God Bless
Thank you Lord for showing me more of your love! Thank you Jesus for saving us from our sin! Thank you Holy spirit for always guiding me!! Thank you for taking time and helping us to understand more of God's work through Holy spririt!
They didn't even answer that man's question. They beat around the bush with fancy explanations that sounded amazing but didn't answer the question... Mind you, I'm a strong believer in Christ, but Ravi didn't answer this question.
Yeah as a Christian, I've had this doubt since forever
@@nitininbaraj7349 Keep researching, praying and reading The Bible. May God lead you.
He did. The part where he explained the existence of love. If the first three versions of what he listed is the world we live in, there won't be love as we would only be forced to do God's will. God his love, even if he knew they'd disobey him that's why he gave us Jesus to bring us back to him .
God knowing Adam and Eve would sin didn't stop him from creation because of love. Same reason why a woman who knows how much trouble having children is decide to have children. Any other world asides this would deny us freedom, hence, no love thereby going against the nature of God.
This is what I understood from the answers. I hope it helps
He did answer he said it was created so that ultimately we could choose to have a relationship with god other than have the predetermined choice to just always have a relationship. In other words god let sin enter our life so that individually we make a choice to accept god other than it always being so by force
Read the book of Mormon, chapter 2 of the second book of Nephi. A prophet named Lehi is dying, on his deathbed he'd explained to his decedents the purpose of creation.
I really miss Ravi! May his soul continue to sleep in peace
Ravi's soul is not sleeping! I believe he really knew Christ and is partying with Jesus in heaven! (By the way, I do not consider drugs and alcohol to make a 'party'. I have been to drinking parties and they seemed more like hell to me). Yet, Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY IS TO BE PRESENT WITH JESUS!! I am so thankful to know that Ravi and many of my friends and family are no longer struggling in this life, but present with Christ in Heaven. There is no Rest In Peace, there is Presence with Christ!!
his soul is with the lord.
Resting in Jesus waiting for the resurrection
His soul isn't sleeping in peace but is alive in the presence of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in all their Glory.
WHAT'S the Point of CREATION?
Is God's point to prove that evil men can never rule, and only He is worthy to rule in righteousness.
The Creator of the Game can Break on no Rules!
What would the world be like, If God had created it and the human race, as heaven will be...WITHOUT SATAN or Evil?
Did God creat the tree of good and evil, and the devil He put in the garden with Adam and Eve, as a reason to give us the free will to choose Good or Evil and Him or the devil?
If a Holy God created Satan and Evil to give man a choice between God/satan, Good/Evil and Love/Hate, why didn't God just make earth like heaven will be for eternity, and leave out Satan, Sin and Evil?
If God had just left Adam and Eve to their own demise, don't you think they would have learned how to sin by themselves without the temptation of satan? I think the world like this would have been like the coming 7th millennium.
Imo, If God had set up creation as heaven will be for eternity, then each person would be rewarded for their own merits, and not be Tempted by Satan, and judged, cursed and condemned for sins started by their Great Grand parents.
God's ways are not my ways, and I was not even vapor when he laid the foundations of the earth. This was told Job, when he asked why was he so harmed by satan, allowed by God, in the middle of the challenge of satan to God. Did that really answer Job's question of Why? Wasn't Job's situation, basically like everyone's life, where we are tempted and hurt by satan, and judged and cursed or blessed by God.
It's strange that the Good Shepherd sends His sheep out among the wolves.
Why does God bless the evil people who hate Him with long healthy lives and allow them to rule the world?
Why does God curse the good people who love Him and make them suffer and die sacrificed on the crosses of life and take them out of the world, when they should be ruling it?
Did God curse His creation and creatures so we would need him, and he could someday reverse the curse and come on His white horse and save the day?
In light of the continuous suffering I've endured the past 15 years, that has derailed my music ministry for God, and the wretched state of this world, sometimes I have to ask Him tough questions.
I don't mean to second guess my God, and I always apologize for any possible insults, which is the last thing I would ever want.
Forgive me Lord, if my questions offend Thee.
I am heartbroken over the coming release of information. Even so, let's not forget the truth of what Ravi spoke, by the power of the Holy Spirit, such as this.
Mine too, it was totally surreal to learn about what had been happening when no one was looking. I was so saddened.
Weren't they false rumors?
@@gp8315 no, RZIM conducted their own investigation and concluded that Ravi did engage in adultery and sexual harassment
"Mankind will not have peace until it turns with trust to My mercy!" (from the Diary of Saint Faustina Kowalska; 300)
"Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One have mercy on us and on the whole world." (from the Diary of Saint Faustina Kowalska; 476)
@Henry Benjamin Stoneking God's love is the flower - Mercy the fruit.
"Let the doubting soul read these considerations on Divine Mercy and become trusting." (949) ... and the considerations follow ...
Who's yo daddy...you have a choice...God or the devil?
Devil makes everything confusing. God makes everything clear.
The scandal aside, Ravi was a brilliant mind. But, really, his answer to this begs more questions. Imagine this. You have many houses, in one house you placed there something you forbid your children to have. In that same house, you locked-up your most formidable enemy who's hell-bent on destroying evrything you have. You are not prescient, but by logic you know putting your kids there would be disastrous. Would you really still put your kids there? Wouldn't the demonstration of love and protection be placing your kids as far away as possible from all the ingredients of disaster, and teaching them what to do if the enemy breaks loose to come after them and present them what's forbidden?
Context is everything. From a parenting context, the short answer is another question. Why would any parent tell their children not to do something knowing they're going to disobey? All parents do this. In this context, God is a parent talking to His children. . . . From a Free Will context, we must first properly label the 2 opposing trees in the garden. Since one of the trees is labeled the Tree Of Life, the other tree can be properly labeled the Tree Of Death. So in order to understand the commandment forbidding eating from the Tree Of Death versus eating from the Tree Of Life, you must understand the importance of the very first commandment that preceded it. The first commandment in Genesis says, Be Fruitful And Multiply. This commandment is so important that it was repeated twice before giving Adam and Eve the second commandment which forbids eating from the Tree Of Death. This is where the first exercise of Free Will occurs. God gives you the choice -- you can choose life or you can choose death. Today we know this as Pro-Choice (Pro-Death is the proper label) vs Pro-Life. By disobeying the second command, you will automatically choose to have less children or no children at all, which leads to the death of mankind. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil represents education and knowledge without understanding the effect of a mis-education, and deceptive information on an individual's desire to be fruitful and multiply. We will all perish for lack of understanding and crashing fertility rates. Or Voluntary Complicit Extinction. Therefore, we purposely choose death over life. We purposely choose Terminal Depopulation.
So a loving parent would be a controlling one then? To protect your kids, would you literally put them in a bubble and make sure that they had no choice but to do what you said for the rest of their lives? I don't think so. A parent who really loves their child understands that at some point their children will have to venture out in the world on their own and make their own choices. They teach them as best as they can and pray that they will choose Christ and make good choices. However, there is no real choice without agency to reject something. It would be like if someone proposed to you and then deliberately kept all other suitors away and/or kept you in a room that only they could visit. Could you honestly tell this person you loved them and wanted to marry them if no other choices existed? No.
interesting analogy! If I had many houses (representing the planets). I will not put my kids (us humans) in the same house where I have thrown down a rapist (Satan), where there is an abundance of pornography (forbideen tree).
This is about choice. The first commandment says be fruitful and multiply. Now comes the choice. You can choose life or you can choose death, If you eat from the tree of death then you will surely know death. You will not be fruitful and multiply. And you will live much shortened lifespans. If you obey by not eating from the tree of death but instead eat from the tree of life, you will have many children and live a much longer life yourself.
That's why the gospels came to be. The opportunity to have a relationship of the real love.
The answer to this question is ,God kept that tree of Good and evil to see whether Adam and Eve would be faithful or not. Eve had something in her heart when evil said that you could become like God. She thought about it. The choices we make destroys us. The fact is Adam and eve had God's life in them. Complete God's life in them that means they were almost like God but creation. They had dominance over all creation. Still she made a wrong choice. Now God restores same power ,His Holy Spirit in our lives so that we can live victorious life. That is Revival. 🙂
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
God wanted to have fun so he created humanity and thus world's ills.
Nope. Try again. He presented the old, God doesn't want love from robots, thus he created humans with free will. On the other hand, he didn't want or need any love from us because he needs nothing outside of himself but he created us as a favor to ourselves so that WE could experience HIS love. But if we don't love him, he will send us to hell. Sure. That's crazy.
This whole course which has played out was for the inevitable revealing of God, through Jesus Christ to humanity. Revelation 13:8 declares the Lamb of God was slain before the foundations of the earth were created.He has always purposed His plan from before eternity for our relationship with HIM!
Praise the LORD! Every knee will bow and tongue confess, "Jesus Christ Is Lord!"
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 In the begining was the Word, and the word was with God, *and the Word was God*
And Word became flesh and lived among us.
*READ YOUR BIBLE*
And be careful what you teach and say, you will have to answer for every word.
@@mitchellc4 One more thing, dont follow His teachings, folow Him. Or you will be in danger of becoming legalistic.
Do not lean on your own understanding but let God lead you, Holy Spirit will give you wisdom and revelation.
If you trust Jesus for your salvation, follow Him and get born again that is regenerated - short for all of this -(bealive in Him)
You will be just fine
You must know Jesus and He must know you
Know in the biblical sense is to have an intimate relationship.
To have fellowship with God
To be as one with him in terms of relationship.
Do that and you will live.
God bless you ❤
@@jamesferren4892
The word was with God
What does God mean there ?
Who is the word with??
Who is the God of Jesus??
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Rev 1
6 and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
@@mitchellc4 you obviously dont understand that there is only one God
Godhead and three of them
Father, Son and the Holy Spirit
There is one God only
But three witnesses
If people say that there is no God , so who answer our prayers and make it become true?
You answer ur own prayers.... just like what Elon Musk, Jack Ma, Mark Zuckerberg, owner of Samsung and etc all did. And all of them are not even Christians.
No one. It's all crap.
Of course, God will. Dont worry about these two. Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
@@ajbondoc4781 So EVERYTHING in the bible is true ?
If u say there is no god.. Then how world is formed? Can anyone answer??
And please was the garden of Eden destroyed during the flood since the Bible made us understand that everything was destroyed on Earth during the flood
This is the most USELESS answer I've ever heard.
It lacks all manner of LOGIC and MEANING.
The question is simple and straightforward "Why put a tree to test people when you ALREADY KNOW that they'll eat the fruit?
If he DOESN'T KNOW what the outcome would be - then you can say that he wants them to MAKE A CHOICE but since he ALREADY KNOW what the outcome would be that simply brings us back to the very same question "WHY"?
It's far more reasonable to simply say "I DON'T KNOW" than waste all these time claiming to know what God is thinking - ewww.
I just hate it when people continuously fool themselves.
Now watch the video againwith understanding this time.
Ravi Zacharias you will be forever remembered. God bless you for your immense contribution to the body of CHRIST
"Ravi Zacharias you will be forever remembered. "
....especially by the victims of his abuse.
@@Jack44M he had demons from his forefathers... He needed to get them out... But most christians believe they can't have Demons... Hence they won't get exorcised... But we all need to get "tune ups" of exorcism... Every year or more often...!
@@Law9223
Your post *HAS* to be tongue in cheek....lol
I don't think anyone can be so ignorant they would really do what you suggest.
@@Jack44M 100% serious.... Unfortunately you are ignorant in this field.... If he got exorcisms this activity he was doing would have stopped!
Pastor,Master,Teacher and Dr.Ravi please enjoy in heaven till we come to meet you there.
I'm a loving parent. I'm gonna put a magic apple in my daughter's room. Then if she ever eats it, I will THROW HER FLESH INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR ALL ETERNITY- AND HER CHILDRENS CHILDREN Too because I'm a loving parent ..woohooo
God gave every soul the gift of choice. HE wants you to exercise this choice in everything you do. Choose wisely
Could Adam not eat that fruit if God had known from eternity that Adam would eat it?? No way.
@@tjinhian1945 God knew he would eat it, but he didn’t predetermine it.
Knowing that something is going to happen doesn’t necessarily mean you made it happen.
@King khan Great khan cuz they still go back to their sinful life without seeking God...
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
Colossians 3:5 NIV
I don't think they are Christians if they commit adultery without repenting for their sins rather they are luke warm Christians.... But if they want to walk in the right path The Holy Spirit will guide them
Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.
Proverbs 28:13 NIV
@King khan Great khan anyone who repents for their sins and accept Jesus Christ as their savior from their heart they are saved!
The only valid answer to "Why did He put the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden?" would be: "I don't know. He never told me."
Any other answer is dishonest. And that's Christianity in a nutshell: Dishonesty. Claiming to know things that one cannot possibly know.
Get a life man, u r blinded
And wat r u
God put the tree of life and death(knowledge of good and evil) to teach Adam and Eve (us)or discipline us not to end up like Lucifer. Because we are the one whom He created so that He will replace the position of Lucifer with us ( so He want us to be faithful and obedience and humble, etc.) That why he test us and chose us each everyone of us to Love. Love, serve and worship Him by freewill from our hearth and our own choice of faithfulness not bu forcing us to do His will (so that we could revel Him again like Lucifer does)
Amen. May God Bless you.
Note: because them and we had failed so he sent Jesus Christ to bring us back, when the law and prophets can't or doesn't enough.
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The only good things in life to receive is the Spirit of Jesus Christ and to see Him face to face... everything else is literally useless my friend :) IF YOU REALLY LOVE JESUS.. YOU will hate the world, hate your life and pray non stop until He comes to you for real from heaven... if you do not love Jesus and are using Jesus to erase guilt and slip into heaven... God will send you a delusion to feel saved even though you're nowhere near.
"If you do as I say ill show myself to you." - Jesus.
"When you see him then you will be made like Him" - John
"Set your hope fully on the revealing of Jesus Christ." - Peter
"You will see me.. on that day you will realize that I am in you and you are in me.." -- Jesus
We all die... those who receive the Spirit of Jesus by asking him to come until he comes not quitting the asking... they get first prize eternally.
I have never logged on to a Christian page before. Luckily I was born into a secular family and have NO delusions. I did notice that the two speakers had numerous words of religious wisdom and encouraging anecdotes but neither of them answered the very reasonable question posed by the audience member. Why did god plant such a tree in the garden. Moreover he could have put a fence around it..After all he can create mountains and seas, why not a fence to protect his creation from evil. It was a simple question but such questions cannot have simple answers, first the audience must be lulled into a false sense of Love and Peace so that they have long forgotten the simple question.For sure I will not stumble into such a site again. Once bitten twice shy.
This is actually one the best questions and answers to the question I have ever seen. Both ravi and the first man. Whats his name?
Actually this is just one of those answers that cannot be questioned.
His name is Abdu Murray.
Have you heard THE UNHEARD TRUTH PODCAST??
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What do u think about this answer to the fall? I'm not here to say that I'm right..
And thou hast beheld in thy youth
his glory; wherefore, thou art blessed even as they unto whom he shall minister in the flesh; for the Spirit is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. And the way is prepared from the fall of man, and salvation is free.
5 And men are instructed sufficiently that they know good from evil. And the law is given unto men. And by the law no flesh is justified; or, by the law men are cut off. Yea, by the temporal law they were cut off; and also, by the spiritual law they perish from that which is good, and become miserable forever.
6 Wherefore, redemption cometh in and through the Holy Messiah; for he is full of grace and truth.
7 Behold, he offereth himself a sacrifice for sin, to answer the ends of the law, unto all those who have a broken heart and a contrite spirit; and unto none else can the ends of the law be answered.
8 Wherefore, how great the importance to make these things known unto the inhabitants of the earth, that they may know that there is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God, save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah, who layeth down his life according to the flesh, and taketh it again by the power of the Spirit, that he may bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, being the first that should rise.
9 Wherefore, he is the firstfruits unto God, inasmuch as he shall make intercession for all the children of men; and they that believe in him shall be saved.
10 And because of the intercession for all, all men come unto God; wherefore, they stand in the presence of him, to be judged of him according to the truth and holiness which is in him. Wherefore, the ends of the law which the Holy One hath given, unto the inflicting of the punishment which is affixed, which punishment that is affixed is in opposition to that of the happiness which is affixed, to answer the ends of the atonement-
11 For it must needs be, that there is an opposition in all things. If not so, my firstborn in the wilderness, righteousness could not be brought to pass, neither wickedness, neither holiness nor misery, neither good nor bad. Wherefore, all things must needs be a compound in one; wherefore, if it should be one body it must needs remain as dead, having no life neither death, nor corruption nor incorruption, happiness nor misery, neither sense nor insensibility.
12 Wherefore, it must needs have been created for a thing of naught; wherefore there would have been no purpose in the end of its creation. Wherefore, this thing must needs destroy the wisdom of God and his eternal purposes, and also the power, and the mercy, and the justice of God.
13 And if ye shall say there is no law, ye shall also say there is no sin. If ye shall say there is no sin, ye shall also say there is no righteousness. And if there be no righteousness there be no happiness. And if there be no righteousness nor happiness there be no punishment nor misery. And if these things are not there is no God. And if there is no God we are not, neither the earth; for there could have been no creation of things, neither to act nor to be acted upon; wherefore, all things must have vanished away.
14 And now, my sons, I speak unto you these things for your profit and learning; for there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are, both things to act and things to be acted upon.
15 And to bring about his eternal purposes in the end of man, after he had created our first parents, and the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and in fine, all things which are created, it must needs be that there was an opposition; even the forbidden fruit in opposition to the tree of life; the one being sweet and the other bitter.
16 Wherefore, the Lord God gave unto man that he should act for himself. Wherefore, man could not act for himself save it should be that he was enticed by the one or the other.
17 And I, Lehi, according to the things which I have read, must needs suppose that an angel of God, according to that which is written, had fallen from heaven; wherefore, he became a devil, having sought that which was evil before God.
18 And because he had fallen from heaven, and had become miserable forever, he sought also the misery of all mankind. Wherefore, he said unto Eve, yea, even that old serpent, who is the devil, who is the father of all lies, wherefore he said: Partake of the forbidden fruit, and ye shall not die, but ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.
19 And after Adam and Eve had partaken of the forbidden fruit they were driven out of the garden of Eden, to till the earth.
20 And they have brought forth children; yea, even the family of all the earth.
21 And the days of the children of men were prolonged, according to the will of God, that they might repent while in the flesh; wherefore, their state became a state of probation, and their time was lengthened, according to the commandments which the Lord God gave unto the children of men. For he gave commandment that all men must repent; for he showed unto all men that they were lost, because of the transgression of their parents.
22 And now, behold, if Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.
23 And they would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.
24 But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.
25 Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.
26 And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall they have become free forever, knowing good from evil; to act for themselves and not to be acted upon, save it be by the punishment of the law at the great and last day, according to the commandments which God hath given.
27 Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.
28 And now, my sons, I would that ye should look to the great Mediator, and hearken unto his great commandments; and be faithful unto his words, and choose eternal life, according to the will of his Holy Spirit;
29 And not choose eternal death, according to the will of the flesh and the evil which is therein, which giveth the spirit of the devil power to captivate, to bring you down to hell, that he may reign over you in his own kingdom.
30 I have spoken these few words unto you all, my sons, in the last days of my probation; and I have chosen the good part, according to the words of the prophet. And I have none other object save it be the everlasting welfare of your souls. Amen.
Could your view explains the reason why we have these injustices and why evil is in our world in your world view?
I see injustice and evil in the world tornados earthquakes and illness among many other things but I don't see the need to add a justification for god or devil to accept the natural explanation of why this happens. And everything seems strictly materialistic, and If I´m presented a God that make the rules because he is all powerful (unless you define god as not all powerful) then if the things that we describe as bad (Illness natural disasters and many others things) could be different if god wish them to be different but if he does allow bad things to happen is because maybe he doesn't exist or he wishes not interfere or he is indifferent to our existence and many other hypothesis that are unfalsifiable by the nature of the question. That why I asked what would change your mind if you have to chose what god if any is real (the loving god, the hating god, the indifferent god, the god that don't intervein and many other variations)
Furthermore if you think this god do actually makes something happen in our material world many Christians says is thought prayer but can you in any way say that praying is useful how can you actually know that praying does or does not make anything happen neither good or bad, and God would not interfere no matter what you do, then maybe your main effort of trying to do better with prayer and god is not useful.
I answer that is is actually impossible to know if god make something happen rather than chance so then is the same argumentation as before I don't see the need to add a justification for god or devil to accept the natural explanation of why things happens. And everything seems strictly materialistic with exception of miracles that are described on the sacred book of your choose like bible, quram, mormon book and on many other religions however this miracles stop to manifest in our current day with the exception of the ones that are no different than chance.
Now in the same terms the argument for evil is that God is the ultimate Justice and in the end everything will be fair and square even thought we have no reason to expect that to be true but in a sense is a security blanket to avoid facing the harshness of an indifferent reality whether it's heaven and hell or karma it serves the same purpose
My view in this matter is to actually face reality because when you realize that there's no good reason to believe that the natural world is anything other than indifferent to our existence and our perceptions of good and evil.
Dealing with reality on reality's terms is the only way to make any real improvements in the situation of course that life isn't fair but that's actually comforting if you think about it if life were fair that would imply that you actually deserve the bad things that happen (all that we have described suffering illness natural disaster and more) to you and that those who benefit from evil deeds are similarly deserving.
The realization that there's no reason to expect justice is what ensures that we take steps to impose justice the realization that good isn't always rewarded is what drives us to reward it when we see it the realization that evil isn't always punished is what drives us to work together as a cooperative society deal with our problems collectively and individually in a way that encourages real change and that hopefully minimizes harmful actions realizing that justice isn't guaranteed allows us to appreciate it when it happens and work toward ensuring it on a more regular basis
A particular god concept view of justice sometimes represents irresponsibility and injustice if the chosen religion has mankind born as reprobates guilty before we've taken a single breath responsible for things you have never done and it offers instant undeserved forgiveness for the most horrible of crimes and punishes people whose crime is disbelief when there was lack of evidence to support the believe.
This justice is more likely to be divine edict that could be arbitrary ultimately because there is nothing you can do to save yourself even if you wish to do it, if this God has not select you first to be saved.
Yes I realize that there are bad people out there who've escaped our flawed justice system do you realize that most religions systems says that they're all eligible for an eternal paradise.
How does that address the objection under the rules of a religion that a evil person (no matter the crime child abuser, murderer, dictatorship and the worst you can imagine) who escapes justice here can also escape ultimate justice under the rules of religion he may live forever in paradise while someone who spent their entire life doing good helping others and contributing in a generally positive way to the one and only life we're sure to get ultimately is judged unworthy of that reward
the problem for this justification of evil or justice if that shows no regard for real matters of justice, if the height is desire to feel special because a god thinks you're special and according to the paradigm anyone willing to believe and worship is special with no regard to justice or character or good or evil the law was established with full knowledge that no one would be able to fulfill it it was established to demonstrate this inability and then a loophole was established to let some people that god decide go through regardless of their standing with the law.
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
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@@pastorchris9799 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
@@thabongwepe5681 Then can we have ALL OF IT this time? As a lot of it is not fully agreed on, and not always defined, or clearly working.
Now... why did Satan KEEP any powers?
@@thabongwepe5681 what is interesting is the atheists that says if God does exist, they will ask him why he did not show Him to them. If you buy a car from me, I give you the manual. I tell you read the manual before driving. You don't and you keep on driving this car. It breaks down, because you never serviced it and changed the oil. What do you think I will tell you when you bring the car back? Why did you not read the manual. It says you must service it every 15000 km's and it includes an oil change. Same with the bible. God showed them over and over again. There is the manual. There is the history and the consequences of people who followed me, and people that went against me. You dont have to believe the car manual to lose your car.
In short, they answered how free will works. But how bout the guy's question?
Praise the Lord people's
Plzz don't loose your hope
And put god first in everything
Hope some one can answer this I have not found an answer yet thanks for your time
1) Did Lucifer had free will to decide to rebel against God?
2) Or did God created Satan just for the purpose of trying to find the true humans who love him and will worship for eternity?
3) Is the "corrupted world" the "trials of Satan" the way to determine what humans will receive salvation in their heart and will go to heaven with God and what humans will go to hell?
4) If God is all knowing and all powerful Why not create only the first group of humans that will get salvation and not the second so in this there is no need to send most of mankind to hell?.
This video on Tree of Good & Evil reveals how The Wisdom of God is on another level and disproves freedom of choice ruclips.net/video/mjn_VJrSEmg/видео.html
Why let the devil have access to the garden? its like giving the address of a really stupid Pearson to the best salesman in the world, but then he tells yoy your not allowed to buy anything
Bravo - well said.
So God knew that he would have to sacrifice his Son to allow our sins to be forgiven before he created us?
Ashley k Well even gods must get their entertainment somehow !
Because God created everything and God WARNED Adam and Eve that if they eat of the tree of Good and Evil, they will die... We were WARNED, it's all our fault.
I have watched this clip three times to see if I can get the same answer as God put in my heart.
Mr Ravi Zachariah is correct.
Firstly, I have never been honest with God.
I just keep saying that I believe in Him but that was about it.
And I realised I don't know God.
I was never a good human being.
Until I choose to change all of that.
I choose to kneel and humble myself to God even though I don't see Him.
I decided to read the entire Bible during the lockdown.
As He promised, that His words, the bread of life, food to my soul will open up to the babes (”At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.”
Matthew 11:25 NKJV).
I have the same question. My explanation here comes from chapter 1 and 2 in Genesis.
And God put this answer in my heart saying the tree act as His sovereignty over us.
Even though we created in His image, we are not equal to God.
He knows that we are highly intelligent creatures because He made us.
He also knows He gave us free will.
A freewill to choose Him or not.
A freewill to obey Him or not.
This free will is so dangerous to humankind. Because we can choose to rebel against God.
Another question popup with this statement, why did God gave us free will?
If you want to answer it is answer it with the question again, this time to yourself, when you were young did you honestly want your parents to tail you or control you all the time?
If your answer is No!, then you've got your answer.
God understood this controlling principle.
Although God knew about it, He has no option but to give Adam and Eve full free will due to the justice and righteousness principle. Remember GOD is a law maker. A just and righteous one.
God knows this must be applied to Adam and Eve.
Adam and Eve know no evil, that is why they can see God face to face as part of newly fresh human beings.
And for that, He has to create a first decree, A tree. A tree bears good and evil.
This is very important to God in terms of righteousness and justice.
The same right and just are applied when He gave Adam and Eve their free will.
Therefore, to balance this thing the first law must be created.
He ordered Adam and Eve not to eat nor touch this tree, otherwise, they will die.
This is the same gift that God has given to His angel satan.
This is the same gift that made Adam and Eve fall. The reason they are cursed and kicked out from presence of God.
But God gave with the benefit.
I believe that God encapsulated a power with this Gift so we can get back to Him.
Satan cannot touch as proof. Satan can only whisper.
That's all he can do.
Evil hearts can easily listen to these evil whispers.
This gift must be exercised daily, to choose to do good or to choose to do evil.”
As human being, we must do our part.
Once you've done your part and choosing Him, He will do His part and He will do the rest of it for you.
Remember, while we are here on the earth, the curse of God remained in us until we die.
This the reason why we work, eat, wake up, eat again and work.
If you think about it, Adam and Eve deserve it. Because God has given them all He created and made them ruler over them -namely earth, animals and to themselves.
He can never take it away from us. It will be against the principle of righteousness and justness.
To overcome this, God must create another decree.
A decree of blessings to all who exercise goodness and justness.
Another decree that if He asks us to do Good and we obey, He will bless us and that blessing will remain in us if we remained in faith until we get back to Him again.
But if God asks us to do good and we refused to do that, God honours that and respect that also, but also, if we reject Gods goodness, we accept satan automatically without knowing it.
Because God has no part at all in satan's work.
Satan being satan, will grab you almost simultaneously because Gods protection and power has departed from you the moment you reject His goodness.
This is the reason why so many people even born again Christian fall from this.
This the reason why so many people do not believe in God because they know that God is loving and forgiving and yet they are in misery and distress and depressions.
Additionally, God has asked His people to do good but refuses and do bad instead.
And when the trouble comes they blame everything on God.
Remember our sins can be passed on to the third generations up to the fourth generations if we sinned against God.
However, if a child exercised his freewill and humble himself or herself before God, He is more than willing to pardon and bless you again.
God will never turn His back to good news and just. This is who He is. This is His nature.
God can also allow satan for great destruction if we despise Him to the core.
God knows His people and sometimes, He allows people to be executed in order to save Gods people.
Our free will must be exercised daily.
This free will help us to get back to Him.
This free will help us to believe in Jesus Christ the Messiah.
This freewill will help us believe in the blood of Jesus that is so powerful, it can cover our sinful nature.
Shalom.
Remember that God created everything and exclaim it is good. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is no exception.
When God put it in there, He meant no harm. It is there for a reason. My guess is that they are not yet ready to take the fruit of that tree, thus the prohibition.
If is not the tree, I think it would be something else, because we have the capacity to choose.
God is willing to take the pain. Pain would be followed by mercy, followed by sacrifice and forgiveness and followed by love and gratefulness and then beautiful and loving relationship.
Thank God for His mercy it wasn't the "Tree of Life".
@@blessing21 STFU GOD IS A FANTASY, RELIGION IN THE FUTURE WON'T EVEN EXIST COMPARING SCIENCE TO GOD IS CRAZY..
@@readynow12345 you wish God is a fantasy. No one in their right mind compare God to science that doesnt have all the answers, neither cure all diseases. Jesus loves you❤️ brother. Turn to Him before it's too late. You never know when you die, if you wake up tomorrow, next week, following months, etc. Life is short. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is life eternal in Christ Jesus. Amen✝️🙏
@@blessing21 Please stop this nonsense, god is merely a fantasy to make us sleep at night, I can't believe that anyone actually believes this is real.
@@readynow12345 you fall right under one of Satan's deceptions thinking he's not real and all is nonsense and fantasy.
The tree of good and evil is a metaphor. there was no such thing. Its just to describe that Adam chooses death instead of Life.
This question is as tough as asking why God created Satan. The reality is that some questions like this are unanswerable. That is one reason why God values our faith in Him above all else. If we go by human logic, then God is not someone deserving of it. Truly, His ways aren’t our ways.
It is answerable. God predestined Adam to sin.
@@tjinhian1945, why would God predestine ANYONE to do something he hates?
@@claudehauper7629 Why would God allow something he hates to even exist in the first place?
@@heidimarie4864, the things that God hates won’t exist forever. To answer your question: God allows sin and sinners to exist in order to have mercy on them. To your point, God could’ve simply extinguished both sin and sinner in the Garden of Eden when both man and Lucifer fell. Instead, God chose to let us live so that we might obtain mercy.
@@claudehauper7629 Oh okay that makes sense! I've been conflicted in my faith and that helps to hear and understand :)
God knew the difference between good and evil. "Let Us make man into our image." To become the image of God man had to know the difference between good and evil. Ergo the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Negative and positive energy belongs to God, choice of choosing is given, to understand the knowledge, if the angel was not fallen and Adam did not eat the fruit than today there is no such word as we know world
Because the god who said dont eat it, is not the father in heaven nor is he christ.
The TRUTH is the reason the tree couldnt be hidden.
The evil said dont eat the fruit, he wanted to controll us.
The one who showed them knowledge of good and evil was christ at the tree.
The evil one called him serpent to mislead us into thinking this knowledge is from. The dark side .
For someone who is darkness light is his enemy.
Thats why demiGod called the truth a serpent or a snake. And made himself look good .
They got this knowledge because its good for them.
And they ate because they were good. Just dont in the demigods eyes. He didn't even know what happened till he found them clothed to hide what demigod didn't hide. Genitals.
The moment christ gave them the knowledge we became bigger than anything in this world because this world is evil and we are not.
Getting this knowledge to Adam and eve weekend demigod
He had to gain his control back by fear and judgment.
So he changed it and said the serpent gave them to eat. No, the serpent showed them how to have sex and make children because Adam and eve became useless to God, he is going for the children now. For us.
Make us forget trough time what we are and decieve us only to judge us.
That we already got the knowledge of what is good and evil is what we can work with to see wolfs in sheep clothing. And they hate it
If someone evil speaks about not doing something because its bad for you. Is trying to keep you away from truth.
That he is evil.
We are with the father from the beginning he was always there. Nothing can happen to us. All sheep will be found.
Some have more to do and learn than others. We are here to see and learn what evil is . In a world with an evil God.
Angels in hell. The biggest in the world is God and he is the father of all evil and lies . The father of truth christ gave us the one we can't see nor hear. But feel in our hearts. In our mind .
The best thing was getting the knowledge of good and evil.
Thousands of years later.
Demigod makes a child with Marie. This child is half adams seed and half demigod.
The father in heaven send christ into Jesus when he was 30 and got baptized.
Christ came into jesus with the mission to keep the this demigod wants him to do. To not disturb the story of evil.
He didn't died for our sins.
That is demigods lie.
He showed us that demigod would kill his only begotten son even when he is doing everything right. Jesus asked him not to drink the cup. 3times .
Still he killed his only son who did everything right and asked not to die.
And then when he asked for water, he gave him non. Woch father would do that. The demigod father right 😊
Then Jesus said my god my god why did you leave me ? And right after he send his spirit back to his father in heaven.
Jesus mission was done, demigod showed us he kills his own son who was doing everything for him.
And know we wait till our brother comes back and brings us to our father in heaven wo builded homes for us😁 soon we fly .
"For the sake of His sorrowful Passion have mercy on us and on the whole world." (from the Diary of Saint Faustina Kowalska; 476)
Could your view explains the reason why we have these injustices and why evil is in our world in your world view?
I see injustice and evil in the world tornados earthquakes and illness among many other things but I don't see the need to add a justification for god or devil to accept the natural explanation of why this happens. And everything seems strictly materialistic, and If I´m presented a God that make the rules because he is all powerful (unless you define god as not all powerful) then if the things that we describe as bad (Illness natural disasters and many others things) could be different if god wish them to be different but if he does allow bad things to happen is because maybe he doesn't exist or he wishes not interfere or he is indifferent to our existence and many other hypothesis that are unfalsifiable by the nature of the question. That why I asked what would change your mind if you have to chose what god if any is real (the loving god, the hating god, the indifferent god, the god that don't intervein and many other variations)
Furthermore if you think this god do actually makes something happen in our material world many Christians says is thought prayer but can you in any way say that praying is useful how can you actually know that praying does or does not make anything happen neither good or bad, and God would not interfere no matter what you do, then maybe your main effort of trying to do better with prayer and god is not useful.
I answer that is is actually impossible to know if god make something happen rather than chance so then is the same argumentation as before I don't see the need to add a justification for god or devil to accept the natural explanation of why things happens. And everything seems strictly materialistic with exception of miracles that are described on the sacred book of your choose like bible, quram, mormon book and on many other religions however this miracles stop to manifest in our current day with the exception of the ones that are no different than chance.
Now in the same terms the argument for evil is that God is the ultimate Justice and in the end everything will be fair and square even thought we have no reason to expect that to be true but in a sense is a security blanket to avoid facing the harshness of an indifferent reality whether it's heaven and hell or karma it serves the same purpose
My view in this matter is to actually face reality because when you realize that there's no good reason to believe that the natural world is anything other than indifferent to our existence and our perceptions of good and evil.
Dealing with reality on reality's terms is the only way to make any real improvements in the situation of course that life isn't fair but that's actually comforting if you think about it if life were fair that would imply that you actually deserve the bad things that happen (all that we have described suffering illness natural disaster and more) to you and that those who benefit from evil deeds are similarly deserving.
The realization that there's no reason to expect justice is what ensures that we take steps to impose justice the realization that good isn't always rewarded is what drives us to reward it when we see it the realization that evil isn't always punished is what drives us to work together as a cooperative society deal with our problems collectively and individually in a way that encourages real change and that hopefully minimizes harmful actions realizing that justice isn't guaranteed allows us to appreciate it when it happens and work toward ensuring it on a more regular basis
A particular god concept view of justice sometimes represents irresponsibility and injustice if the chosen religion has mankind born as reprobates guilty before we've taken a single breath responsible for things you have never done and it offers instant undeserved forgiveness for the most horrible of crimes and punishes people whose crime is disbelief when there was lack of evidence to support the believe.
This justice is more likely to be divine edict that could be arbitrary ultimately because there is nothing you can do to save yourself even if you wish to do it, if this God has not select you first to be saved.
Yes I realize that there are bad people out there who've escaped our flawed justice system do you realize that most religions systems says that they're all eligible for an eternal paradise.
How does that address the objection under the rules of a religion that a evil person (no matter the crime child abuser, murderer, dictatorship and the worst you can imagine) who escapes justice here can also escape ultimate justice under the rules of religion he may live forever in paradise while someone who spent their entire life doing good helping others and contributing in a generally positive way to the one and only life we're sure to get ultimately is judged unworthy of that reward
the problem for this justification of evil or justice if that shows no regard for real matters of justice, if the height is desire to feel special because a god thinks you're special and according to the paradigm anyone willing to believe and worship is special with no regard to justice or character or good or evil the law was established with full knowledge that no one would be able to fulfill it it was established to demonstrate this inability and then a loophole was established to let some people that god decide go through regardless of their standing with the law.
@@a.39886 "Write: I am Thrice Holy, and I detest the smallest sin." (Diary; partial record 1728)
"Write, that I am speaking to them through their remorse of conscience, through their failures and sufferings, through thunderstorms, through the voice of the Church." (Diary; another part of the record 1728)
"Souls perish in spite of My bitter Passion. ... if they will not adore My mercy, they will perish for all eternity." (Diary; fragments of the record 965)
"The flames of mercy are burning Me. I desire to pour them out upon human souls." (Diary; partial record 1074)
... and consider that we are created for the sake of souls .... not for the sake of our temporal phisicality
... we are invited to be perfect even as our creator is perfet
Man is unjust not God. This video on Tree of Good & Evil reveals how The Wisdom of God is on another level and disproves freedom of choice ruclips.net/video/mjn_VJrSEmg/видео.html
It would be nice if the answer is from the bible. You guys are just storytelling
Mr Ravi could you please answer THE question? The question was never about his prison evangelism exploits? Always diverting from the heart of the question! Smh
Unfortunately, he's no more 💁🏽♂️
God created angels & man with freedom to choose, God did not create them with a sin nature, they chose to sin therefore they must bared the consequence of their sins. Angels & man can choose to stay with God or not to stay with God, God did not force them to sin. Before fallen angels became fallen, they were with God & chose to sin anyway, mankind did not have the privilege like the fallen angel that's why God came to save man but if man choose not to be saved, he has only himself to blame. The devil/demons work quite hard to make sure of that.
Praise Lord! This video totally whacked away so many questions of mine as a new Christian! I finally understand the proper nature of the Trinity.
If man is free why do we need to be set free ? God has free will and always freely chooses right Genesis 18:25 and He is love, so if He had made man exactly like himself we would be robots incapable of true love according to Ravi. Also if God has determined man to be conformed or subject to His will we will also not be free according to Ravi , but God declares He is going to do exactly that to every creation 1 Corinthians 15:28 and that the Truth , or being exactly like Him as He is the Truth , will set us free.
Hi. I have a similar question: where did Adam's desire to sin come from? Personally, these questions are too deep for me! It seems from the Bible that both (seemingly) contradictory positions are true: 1) the creation is going exactly the way God wanted it to go (how could it be otherwise?) and 2) people have a free will, able to love God or reject Him. Why is it that I chose to love God and am eternally blessed while others shake their fist at Him? Where did my overwhelming desire to know and love God come from?
I have no idea! But this one thing I know: God is good and His decisions are great. I do not comprehend God, but I have apprehended Him. I hope you know Jesus Christ personally. Friendship with God was destroyed by our sin; friendship with God restored through the cross. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
@@kenshilohDid you ever hear a preacher quote a verse stating man has free will ? of course you didn't , man does not have free will; he has freedom of thought within constrained perimeters designed and imposed by God which is hardly the same thing as free will. As to where did the desire come from " a man can receive NOTHING unless it is given him from heaven " John 3:27 When people need to start on about God's permissive will as opposed to His directive will be careful they are trying to teach you that God made the sun and the sun then created heat lol
@@nevbillett7554 Hi Nev. Of course I have heard a preacher talking about free will. "Choose this day who you will serve"? "Whosever calls upon the Name of the Lord will be saved"?
Most importantly, do you know the Lord? Has He borne witness with your spirit that you are saved (Romans 8.16)?
If not, if God has not directly told you that you are saved, isn't that presumption that you are? Remember, not everyone who says, "Lord, Lord" will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only those who obey the Lord.
Have you been baptized in the Holy Spirit (I am not referring to speaking in tongues, but a filling of the Holy Spirit)? Do you have 'rivers of living water' bubbling up unto eternal life? Do you know Christ personally or is He a distant, reverent figure to you?
Have you been born again?
@@kenshiloh Free choice in constrained circumstances is not the same thing as free will.
Romans 8:20 Against its will all creation was subjected (forced, jailed lol) to futility , in hope
Romans 11:32 For God has consigned (jailed, forced lol) all to disobedience so that he can have mercy on them all
No one bosses the Big Fella around, it is HE who bosses everyone else around . He is the only One with free will, everyone is going to do what He says : every knee is going to bow to Him and every tongue is going to swear allegiance to His will, Yahoo Hallelujah Isaiah 45:23
Hard to believe there are billions of crazy people under God's Sovereign command as Almighty King of the Universe ; that as His puny little subjects think that their supposed free will and choices trump God's will ah hahaha greatest comedy ever written. For any lunatic that desperately clings to the idea that man's will counts more than God's Daniel 4:35 will give you the slap you need to bring you to reality.
Have you heard THE UNHEARD TRUTH podcastt??
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So Adam didn't have a choice before? He couldn't choose between naming the animals or chilling with his wife? Or maybe between going for a swim or taking a nap?
I didn’t not know this powerhouse for God died this year!
Was it covid related?
I am so sorry for this wonderful messenger of God, could use a-stumbling weak person like me and share that I need someone to take my hand! Maranatha. Lord Jesus!
He died of cancer dear.
John 14: 21 He who has My (Jesus) commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) *said to Him, “Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
John 21: 24 This is the disciple who is testifying to these things and wrote these things, and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they *were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself *would not contain the books that *would be written.
John 8: 29 And He who sent Me is with Me; He [k]has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him.”
He died of cancer.
Why did God want us to make a choice?? If God just created good then we would have no need to choose. We don't need bad and evil in order for us to make that choice.
for a true relationship with him we have to make a choice. he created everything good but some creations turned from him by a choice to choose themselves over god. anything other than gods nature is evil so we chose evil by choosing anything other than Gods will. Without that choice it’s not really love and not really free will. bottom line it al revolves around choice and chance. without that it’s fake.
@@jaywavy8603 I'm afraid that doesn't answer my question. Of course I understand we have to make a choice, so why didn't God just design us with good therefore eliminating the need for us to choose? After all, we generally prefer what is good.
@@davidherman29 just stop listening to the idiots
@@davidherman29 but that’s violating our freewill right 🙄
@It’s Someone actually ur wrong.......
Lucifer did not create humans.
In fact it’s clearly stated in the Bible at Genesis 1:27
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
The rest what Uve said about redemption stuffs and all are right......! :)
If you can't explain it to a sixth year old child, you simply don't understand it yourself.
Albert Einstein!
That’s the biggest non-answer i’ve ever seen for this question. “True relationships are ones you choose, so giving us the free will to choose god means it will be a true relationship.”
That’s like saying if I’m talking to a girl and I give her a choice to be in a relationship with me or not, and she chooses not to, i’m gonna lock her up and torture her for the rest of her life. That’s not really a choice then isn’t it? Making one side of the decision the worst thing imaginable is just a fear tactic used to control people. No loving god would create someone who he knew would go to hell (which he also created).
Remember everyone, that God is totally good and Holy, no bad intentions, no ulterior motive; and his ways surpasses all human understanding. So all our doubts and questions are so unnecessary even though it's valid because we already know the answer. It's like we're trying to reach a conclusion with only knowing a piece of the puzzle without realizing that the piece we had to the puzzle contained a summarized version of the conclusion itself. Some people might not know there was an answer given, some might be stubborn and bypass the answer and take the long route to find it. But it's simple, God will never hurt us or wish anything bad upon us. He loves you and me no matter what. Trust in his love. Imagine when people question that unconditional love, how heart-broken God may feel.
Awesome.
Stop touching things that dont belong to you.
@@freshstart4423 what?
@@sarahtaichew5390 The answer to the question; why did God create the forbidden tree? Teach people not to touch something that doesnt belong to you. That tree belongs to God.
Ravi wasnt a real Christian and he didn't have revelation.
@@freshstart4423 Because of the scandal? Whether its true or not, I felt his messages were from the Holy Spirit within him and he stood for God.
Rest in Peace Ravi, you fought your battles. Despite your faults, thank you for your contribution in furthering the gospel.
Oh wow, didn’t realize. An inspiration to us all, he’ll surely be missed.
He won't be missed by all his victims of sexual abuse.
This video on The tree of Good & Evil reveals how The Wisdom of God is on another level
ruclips.net/video/mjn_VJrSEmg/видео.html
Because there was no tree or god. It's a story like Santa Claus
Go and read the secret book of John, you'll understand better
any book that is claim to be secret is not of God , it would have been part of the scripture ,if john had really wrote it , there are lots of book out there some claim to be written by Moses , no there are false,
@@ronaldjoe7896 Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I read the book and it explains creating far better than the bible did. I broke it down bits by bits. In the bible, everything was over in 7 days. BTW if Adam and Eve were the first humans, doesn't that make sleeping with your own brothers or sisters not to be a sin? Just asking 😋
@@ronaldjoe7896 I'm not trying to debunk the bible's version of creation, I'm just turning people's attention to other resources. Btw the bible we read today is just a translation of a translation, of a translation.
@@emyboybeats4330 I am acuseing you of debunking the bible , there are books out there that are very deep and would really captivate your attention , you are a very wise person , i sense that ,however i do believe that Almighty God is strong and wise enough to preserve his instruction to his creation , Rulers and kingdom of the past have try to destroy god s word they have all fail, they are many duplicate out there who are claiming that their version is really the right one , but the power is felt when you know the right one,
@@ronaldjoe7896 I agree
The tree of good & evil doesn't mean a real tree literally
Yes it does,just because you don't know the answer, does not make it unreal
I wonder how a calvinist would answer this. The only answer that makes sense is free will
Satan created the tree not God hence dont eat it God didn't create it
Check my answer, I have answered it. God created the tree because that is His will, nothing else! or for his glory.
@@MiklahLife but scripture says different and scripture is not for anyones own interpretation
@@MiklahLife ps that means you answered it wrong
That answer made absolutely no sense. It’s predicated on the nonsensical doctrine of the Trinity. Take that away, you have nothing to stand on
WHen Elohim created angel and man, He already foresee the end of days, the judgement day! Where two third of angel will prevail and the few selected righteous human who prevail.
Elohim donot fail, as said in the scripture. Men always seek bad outcome, but ELOHIM will turn bad outcome into good in the end.
The scripture does not say ALL will be saved, but only those who are worthy. So dont expect sinner and the proud to enter the kingdom of heaven. Only those meek and trust in the Lord will all their heart will achieve this.
Many of us never read the scripture yet always judging Elohim while we hardly know what Elohim had said in the scripture.
For non are "worthy" the only who enter the Kingdom of God is those who are born again
@@rustmxn yes brother,
Born again with Ruach Hakodesh the spirit of God. Yet how many of us follower of Messiah are truly repent and born again. Not many i think, many christian are the lukewarm kind, wanting to hear only prosperity gospel and indulging in their lavish lifestyle and lust for other man/woman. Not so far different than the pharisee. Do you really think these people are truly born again?
@@edwinchanx Yea I feel you on the prosperity gospel and not a lot actually know how you are guaranteed salvation and what it means to be born again to enter our Father's Kingdom, and they only think if they believe they are good whcih is false "Even the demons believe and they tremble". And as for these people doing apoligetics Id have to say yes I think they are born again. Unless they are somehow phonies who just waste time speaking on this for the money. Other then that I dont see any reason I could say they truly arent born again. God bless.
Because He is God and has the right to do whatever He chooses. PERIOD. HE MAKES THE RULES. It is called obedience!! I love 💘Him so much
Turning off your brain and being blindly obedient is not the best policy
@@ashley_brown6106 arguing with people who are purposefully blind isnt either. Just let the people make believe. They can’t escape the fantasy
@@BatmanBeyondBelief I believe in God too, but I question stuff that doesn't make sense all the time. It's healthy and a sign of intelligence. We shouldn't blindly believe anything. But believing in God is not "fantasy".
@@ashley_brown6106 ofc. By fantasy i mean the god is good all the time attitude. It actually doesnt line up with the bible especially the flood, job, babel. Hes not always this stand up guy according to his own biography
@@BatmanBeyondBelief God is good but not the soft/flabby kind of good. He is perfectly Just, and he has to punish evil and wrongdoings. Otherwise he would be indifferent to the suffering of his creation. He would just be this mellow kinda fella who is always happy and content even though everyone else is miserable.
First things first, the beginning of man was not the origin of evil. Evil came to been before man. It just natural that even Us as parents face or find ourselves in similar situation. Due to our experience, we tend to warn our kids not to do a particular thing or associate their self with certain people, knowing fully the consequences. Often time our kids begin to see us as control frick or been selfish the moment they get another opinion.
What I think is that He was only allowing Us to learn to make our decisions based on trust for Him , which will explain His true intentions for creation, which is nothing else but Love . If you trust someone you will listen to whatever He/She says.
He knew they were going to eat apple, the same way He also knew they did not trust Him, so in other to build their Trust and confident in Him, He put them through a test. And through it man should learn.
That what most of Us are still experiencing.
It was and is still a lesson of Trust and Faith in Him.
Life it self is a lesson,
Learn to trust God, that's all I can say for now.
I am partly familiar with this argument, so just for grins, lets take your bait? Why indeed - go!
@Woken_ Dream
Because we inherited it from our parents (Adam and Eve), whom were deceived and tempted by the serpent. Mind you, 'SIN' is a disobedient or transgression of God's law.
@Woken_ Dream First things first,do you believe in the creation story?
Secondly have you ever noticed that whenever something arise in your life, which requires your response, that you're face with both good and bad ideas ?
My Next question is that do you believe there is a God?
If yes, do you always obey His commandments?
Smh......about been dependent, if I can make my child to only depend on Jesus, then I will be the happiest mother on earth.
@Woken_ Dream I won't say much again, advice to you is that you try to search out for Him( God), am sure you don't know Him, cause if you do you will not say that. It will surprise you to know that He his such a loving father and friend you can never find in this world.
And a tip to your search if at all you're interested; just go down on your knees or however you prefer and ask His to reveal Himself to you. Mind you, it should be done with sincerity, cause He doesn't deals with fake ppl. Am sure He will be very happy to receive you my dear.
Lets trust someone weve never met
What about we asking God to give us a question to even ask about why he created this two Trees? Because human understanding as a basis of asking these questions is itself questionable
However I wonder what would have happened if one of Adam's children was the one who ate the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil
In that case, then Adam's other children and descendants would have been pure...then the child who ate the Tree, descendants would be evil😂 🙈
But actually this the comforting part, God is not the Arthur of Confusion. And trust me we more than confused about this question and and what answer to even expect😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
We will know when God himself answers the question!
We are all sinners now, how many of the cloth as u say have jumped off onto the broad road and have been found out? Do you still trust them? Were they true when they repent? Ever notice more laws on physical then there is on mental, Don't judge but wait the words that say judge rightly so said who in the bible? God won't tell everyone everything for why? Why don't you Question SATAN'S actions why? Scared? Ask a psychic ologists thos e q. They know alot about the mind!!
I've had this question all my life. This really helps!!
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
I dont understand, if god was suppose to protect me,why is there fear in the first place?
@@ummok720 theres fear so it shows god that we are humble and accept the fact that hes more powerful then us and that hes the lord of all lords and god of all gods
@@mitchellc4 jesus never claimed he was jehovah but jehovah is god and jesus claimed to be the one to do things that jehovah done eg. Like jesus saying he was here from the beginning and end he said he created heaven and earth, he said many things that only god can do, both jehovah, jesus and holy spirit is god😎
@@slft47 Yeah, in my opinion this sounds like a fear based reality. Powerful beings wouldn't install fear into people for control.
Why not just destroy and unmake the soul instead of eternal torment if God is so loving and merciful that sounds pretty messed up to be honest