Porsche 991 GT3 Manual vs Porsche 997 GT3 RS! Comparing Legends...
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- Ultimate Porsche manuals! The Porsche GT3 RS and the 991 GT3 are two of the best drivers Porsches to roll out of the factory. Today we are comparing these two cars, separated by 10 years, to identify the similarities and differences that make these two GT3's so special.
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"You need both". I was waiting for you to say that.
So here it is, aside from any pre-recorded content this could well be the last video outside of the house for a while! The format shift will have to come and some out of the box thinking will have to be applied in the name of safety. I hope you enjoy this one! I managed to squeeze this in last week and what a car to share with you. When all of this over I’m hoping to take the Porsche 997 GT3 RS to a high speed circuit to discover that front end grip under heavy braking!
I'm actually glad to hear you're staying home! Wish you health, and to all of your beloved ones!
You must’ve read my comment from the last video!! I knew this would be the best comparison
Mr JWW don’t do it to us as long as you stay alone and don’t congregate with anyone practicing social distance you’re good I would vote your channel a essential job and a public service lol
Garage tour!
Great video, wrong on the RPM count of the 991.1 GT3
I have to say Mr JWW, you are one of the only RUclips petrol heads who can actually drive really well and understand the nuisances of individual cars.... as a good motoring journalist would! And despite all the wonderful cars you are able to own, drive and to produce quality content with, you do it with some class and without being ... annoying? Or somewhat arrogant....like so many unfortunately are....
Thank you for the great content, the insightful drives and genuine enthusiasm you convey in all you videos. Well done and keep up the good work for us genuine enthusiasts and your success and growth speaks for itself. stay safe. 😎
Killing me with this 997.2 RS content. God I want one!
JWW does it again! Having driven both of these beasts flat out, I couldn't agree more with you! I do wish you would have talked more about the shifter feel. The 997 RS is more "notchy", but its a rifle bolt feeling. So satisfying and engaging; it's a big part of why the car feels so racecar. (Like reloading a .50 cal sniper).
991.2 is gonna go down as a classic. That engine!!!
Matthew Globerman and the 997 already has gone down as a classic 😉
991.2 Wont Go down as a Classic. 997 was the Last Real Race car
Select and Noble it will go down as a classic. The engine and driving experience is truly special
Both will go down as classic when most of Porsche cars are electirc/hybrid
@@kaim.2358your comment hasn’t aged well, the 991.2 is still holding its value years later
Damn, that “thickness” analogy to torque really stuck with me! I have a degree in Mechanical/Automotive Engineering and that’s probably the best description I’ve heard 😄. When I got my first really serious sports car, a C63S (4.0 TT), I really felt that thick malleable torque beneath my right foot compared to my previous “fast” cars...your sir have a way with words 👍🏼
Best title!!!
Comparing Legends!!!
Thank you so much for the much needed entertainment during such difficult time. Keep doing it, and frankly these type of videos what differentiates you form all the others, and makes you so good at what you do. It is always music to my ears to hear that you are using your 991.2 manual GT3 as a daily. Mine has 15K miles and it is one of my daily cars. All of my friends kept trying to push me to get the PDK, and I am so glad I did not listen to them. As you indicated the clutch pedal and gear changes are so effortless and combined with the low end torque, I often find myself in the middle of rush hours and I am not bother a bit with having a manual. For past few years, I used to tell everyone if I have to give up all of my cars and I do have a large Porsche and exotic car collection and only keep one car, it would be the Porsche 981 Spyder, which I loved dearly and won me few track events and few Autocrosses, but today I can happily say this has recently changed and my GT3 with manual transmission would be the car I would keep if I have to get rid of my car collection... I want you to know, I do fully understand every time I see that big smile of yours while you driving that manual GT3. It is honest and genuine smile. It is that great of a car and an experience. Keep up the good work and look forward to much more content from you, during such difficult times. God bless you, and Stay & your family safe and wish the same for all your audience. Mark
Absolutely love the description of torque, doing a better job than most journalists
That downshift at the 14:30 mark was the perfect exclamation to wrap-up another superb video
Mate your priority it to yourself & young family. We ain't going anywhere. This is a brilliant channel & your videos are a touch of class. Dodgy sunglasses included😎😜👌👍
Thank you! I’m new to your channel and it’s a breath of fresh air at the moment and well done for NOT trying to appeal to “yoof” market with manic laughter and loud drum n base music - nor adverts for finance companies. 👍🏻
Manual for life. I own a gtv6 1981 and a 718 gt4, I wont change them for nothing in the world
I had a gtv6 1981! Loved it. Restored it, sold it and it was sadly written off. Wanted a 718 gt4, but too expensive with the premium charged. Have an Exige v6, so kind of similar. You have a good taste in cars sir.
Mark Heyes Thank you Mark !
Your explanations are outstanding. I have never driven either of theses machines, but I feel like I know what makes them special after hearing your description. Stay well.
Stay Safe dude!
No competitive sport; life-on-lockdown; no summer holiday; Lots of Fear...
I need this stuff... Stay healthy! Keep the Content alive!
great stuff JWW. Really wanted to see a comparison between these 2.
Love this!! Enjoying the smiles in these tough times! Give us some escapism and content to smile 😊
Great review as always!
Amazing how he answered almost every question I've been stuck on about 997vs991 in 15 minutes and 7 seconds.
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Man the driving and quality is next level. I will be sad that we will have to wait for more driving videos and track days. However Mr. JWW doesn't disappoint so I am excited to see what you come up with.
Very cool comparison, always great content James
997.2 RS is the pure raw driver car pinnacle. But you’re right. The 991 is a good daily 😉
You always make it a pleasure to watch. Informative and in a simplistic way that puts you above everyone else.
Hey James i believe the 991 was 9thousand rpm from the start 2013. It was the 991 gt3RS that was brought down to 8500 and then brought back up. I think... 🧐🧐
991.1 GT3 2014-2016 = 9000Rpm. 991.1 GTR. Rs =8800
In reality 991.1 RS revs only to 8.500 or 8.600 rpm. Sad!
I really appreciate your transparency and honesty about the two cars. You remain completely objective even though you own one of them.
I’m from France, I’m discovering your channel, which is crazy ! Even if I don’t understand everything, it’s so precise !
You have the absolute best car videoes on RUclips!
You guys have to come up with some darn good content and ideas to keep us busy, South Africa is under lockdown for 21 days. I'm starting from tomorrow to bench watch from your first video
Epic 911 content James stay safe over the coming months , and keep the content coming we are going to need it. Cheers
Great comparison, perfectly described! As an owner of the 997 RS compared to the 991.2 GT3 Touring, I can tell that you can also go directly from 3 to 4, but you need to do it super fast and with more power and engagement... it just says “I don’t like slow boy”
Great video as always. James you should get the houndstooth seat inserts, would look ace in your gt3
That would look lovely actually.
997.2 RS legend. no newer car deliver such driving experience.
Really enjoyed this episode it nice to see that you have such a passion for cars and also know how to drive them and understand what is going with them.
Please keep doing what you are doing because I can get to dream about driving these lovely cars👍
Stay safe Mr JWW... Best wishes to you and your family...
That's a great description of the clutch pedal in the 997 3RS, 'magnetically bonded'. Driving the thing in traffic is a leg workout. Everything else you've said about the older car is spot on; a momentary pause at neutral while going 3-4 or 4-3. I want to type everything else I remember about the car out but you've captured it in your video so succinctly; fantastic. It'd look nice next to the 991.2 and TDF! :)
Always 997 GT3!
Amazing video ! Love that sound ☺
3.8 is actually 450PS vs .2 GT3 500PS or 444bhp vs 492bhp.
Awesome video as ever 👌🏽
Superb Video and Great comparison content that you get likes of from No other channel's out there 🙂
Simply Awesome Stuff James 🙂👍🏻
Thank you so much for taking the time to do all this content for us, it's truly appreciated 🙂👍🏻
Keep up the fantastic work buddy 🙂
And I hope you and the family are keep safe and well 🙂
All the best,
Mark 👍🏻
Nice video just a few observations : The 991.1 GT3 (PDK only) redline is 9K pm, the 991.1 GT3 RS was 8.5K rpm. Also on the engine side the Mezger is a port injection engine whereas the 991 is (all gens) direct injection. The 991.2 GT3 did away with hydraulic valve lifters for rigid lifters that might require calibration (shims) although porsche says is not required over the engine life time.
You’ve almost turned into a motoring journalist 🤣
I am not gonna choose one over the other, I need BOTH of them!!!!
I have a bad back and hip because of the clutch on my 997. 🤦🏻♂️
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I really enjoy the way how you speak about cars; the vocabulary, the metaphors, the passion 👏
This is a video! A guy that car actually drive and convey the driving experience. Thank you.
that 991.2 GT3 manual U have in your hands James... is what Porsche dreams are made of ...Pure Macchina Passion....that thunderous Scream of 500 HP ...is pure Heaven !!! Thank You again for the fabulous content & stay Safe n Blessed with your Family & Pray things get better soon....i still think the 911R is the one i covet the most
Perfect. I am lost for words how well you described the difference!
Crazy days! Just to point out 3 things:
1. Glad your keeping it real!
2. One of the few channels in which the comments come from real fans, rather than for RUclips algorithm!
3. Respect Mr JWW!
Thanks for tuning in 👍🏻
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Great video James. Stay safe
MRJWW putting into words what we all feel but haven’t been able to describe. Torque = malleable, thick energy. The Zing of a sowing machine. I know exactly what you mean from the S65 V8 in my M3. Brilliant as always!
997.2 just looks nicer imo. I love the tail lights
Best outro ever!!! 9000 - woohoo!🔥
Always love your videos and content James! Hope you and the family are safe & well. One quick question, if you could build another GT3 with the same black & silver interior, would you still get the 'yellow' belts or stick w/ black? Having that dilemma on my Spyder spec.
Hell yeah!!! New content
Just been out on a smashing drive! No stops but beautiful roads and an even more beautiful car. Great to see James doing the same.
great job explaining the nuance between the two cars. I wish all car reviewers had your keen senses.
just to put things right: 991.1 GT3 actually did rev to 9k rpm. Just look at chris harris video. However, the 911.1 GT3 RS with the 4.0-litre engine did not. That had the limiter set to 8800 rpm or thereabouts. It was only with your 991.2 4.0-litre engine that they managed to have reliable 9k rpm. :) Cheers
From your California Brother and proud owner of a 2016 991 GTS, THANK YOU MR. JWW! Please stay Safe and Healthy from that Corona Virus.
Janes, absolutely bang on commentary. 100% agree. I am a 997.2 GT3RS owner.
Absolute Perfect honest comparison and thanks 🙏 for the Confirmation😬😉 Stay Healthy also for your family💪
James you were spot on this review. I also drove them back to back and went for the 991.2 just because I needed a daily car easy to live with. But the feel of the 997 is just another level if you want to feel every part of the car and engage with them! You say it perfectly - must have both! :)
Buy a Prius, keep the 997.
I‘m pretty sure the 991‘1 GT3 reved to 9k rmp. The RS MK1 was limited to 8800rpm due to it‘s dualclutch not handling the power from the new 4.0 compared to the 3.8s in the 991‘1 😉
that is correct
MRJWW IS KILLING IT
Yeah man!!! Despite the fact that this carbon sculpture is sublime
thanks for the content
Thanks for watching 👍🏻
"The simple answer is, Ya need both"
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Given that 997 rs and the 991.2 manual are almost equal in price on the used market. You'd have a better chance at throwing a snowball at the sun than getting me to buy 997 rs over a manual 991
Cheers JWW
Would you consider doing something on the 996 911? I have been considering a 996 turbo and there isn't much content out there
sounds soooo good
Your content is now on another level to other youtubers in my opinion. I feel you buy the cars in your garage because they're the ones you want to own, not because you're getting paid to influence. With Top Gear more of a family entertainment show now, and Evo not making so much online content nowadays, your channel fills that gap. Cheers JWW
Well done sir.
Well appreciated.
Just the sound of 991.2 makes me want one so bad, been racking my brain on how I can get into one.
great comparo! glad you went into all the petrolhead-gland-tickling sensations and i agree with your conclusion. was hoping you could comment on the steering and suspension though.
just a few little details:
1. 9k rpm was already in the 991.1 gt3.
2. the heavier clutch and shifter is an attribute of the 997, not the RS, since the regular gt3 is just as heavy
3. imo the 991.2's engine isn't any more thoroughbred than the 997's since the mezger was a pure motorsport engine derived from a gt1 le mans car
would love to see more content on the 997 gt3 RS!
Sizewise big difference - 997 is small compared to 991 - 997 much more difficult but very rewarding - still no comment hydraulics vs electric steering
A very articulate comparison 👌. Why happened at 12:56 (looks like a left over clip (with you wearing a grey/white t-shirt??
So, James, this video prompted me to go back and rewatch some of your previous Modern Classics videos. Which did you prefer? The Ferrari 599 GTO or the Mercedes SLS AMG Black Series?
Having owned a few nice cars iover the years, Jag Etype,XJ220, 85 V8 Vantage,996 GT3 CS,360 Modena, 997 Turbo, 964 c4 among others i am used different gearboxes and pedal layouts some soft some hard, some you with no synchro on 1st, i enjoyed the 360 box the most it was smooth and quick and also the pedal layout for heel and toe was perfect , The 997 Turbo was a little disappointing with a notchy gearbox possibly similar to the 997 gt3 rs? , so im thinking i would prefer the manual in the 991 GT3. Great review thanks !
Great video. You nail the difference between the cars. You should drive 997rs4.0. The pick up from lower rpm is a bit more similar to your 991.2gt3.
Question. With your intended use, 20000miles, ceramic, no club sport, why not get the more comfortable seats? Seems to be a better choice when you don’t track the car a lot?
991 - want it, can’t afford it. 997 - really want it, really can’t afford it
Hard choices!
Please stay safe James and be healthy my friend. (Mike in Ohio)
Thanks Mike
Thanks Mike 👍🏻
Everything is okay. The deep state pedos are getting taken down all aroundthe world. Dont worry. Our world will be exponentially better after all of this.
@@MrJWW 8800rpm for the 991.1 GT3 RS and 9000rpm for the 991.2 GT3/GT3 RS
The metzger sound on gear changes sound so motorsport to me. Prefer it for that reason, but im sure the 991 drives way better
100% right!!! Such a GT3 CUP racing noise
Exactly man, exactly. That's why I prefer the 997 GT3
No "T" in Mezger. I.E. Hans Mezger; although, I agree with you regarding the motorsports sound.
I thought the gen 1 gt3 revved to 9000rpm aswell? And the rs revved to 8800rpm?
Stay safe Mr JWW... Best wishes to you and your family... Realistically living in Australia and having to drive under our laws and roads I'd take which ever handles better. I do like a heavier clutch but I guess you get used to the lighter clutch...Hard choice but gt3 manual ftw... Mainly because it's easier to live with...
991.2 GT3 with three pedals is my number one fav car right now.
I had a 996GT3 for many years which had a heavy clutch but the actual gear change was quite slick, the lever moving around the box quite sweetly. Had a friend with a 996GT3 like mine who upgraded to a 997.2 GT3RS which he let me have a brief drive of. Was quite apparent how much more effort was required to change gear and though I loved the car in most respects, I wasn't a fan of the gear change. It sounds like the 991 manual GT3 is a very different driving experience.
As much as I love track content, alpine and B road footage is the best
On Min 4:17 you said
“the GT3 RS 991 first generation rev up to 8500rpm”. I would like to add that GT3RS 991.1 Rev red line is 8800 in first, 8700 in second, 8600 in third. Cool 👍🏻
GT3RS-Case Closed, Perfection, Sound is a symphony !!!
That looks like a very necessary journey!!!!! Wrong thing to do for so many reasons at this time, unbelievable
Hey James i am trying to decide between a 918 cayman gt4 and the 991.2 gt3 manual I was wondering if you could give me your output on those 2 and i know that you have already done a video comparing the pdk gt3 to the gt4 but are they that similar? I have driven the gt4 and it was wonderful but i have still not driven the gt3 in a manual yet.
By the way I absolutely love your channel your content is extremely detailed and its a blast to watch. Please stay safe from this pandemic.
Rocco Marks money is the main difference ;)
No Name true but I am not looking at it from a financial aspect I am just trying to figure out which one would make me the happiest. My gut keeps telling me the gt4 is the car for me but something just keeps drawing me into the 911 so before I make my decision I am trying to get as much experienced input as I can.
2 weeks ago I drove the gt4 and the 991.2 gt3 back to back and there was no question about it. I bought the gt3. Even though so many reviews say differently, the gt3 was worlds apart and really feels just perfect and gt4 I felt lacks that personality and feel that the Carrera offers. And when we compare to the 997 which I drove a day earlier, it was really the better of the drivers car and more engaging for sure, but the 991.2 is definitely a much better daily driver car - easier to live with on those normal days going to work.
I have the 991.2 gt3 manual and owned the earlier gt4 before.The gt3 engine is very special and the car feels a step up.i found the gt4 engine had been held back to make it less powerful than a 911.Great potential but would cost money to release the power.l prefer the rear engine feel but the mid is very well balanced.Both great cars.
Salim Adamjee well said sir. :) but for me the main difference is still money. If you dont care about this aspect take the gt3. If you care about you become 8/10 from the gt4 also.
Could you compare the cayman series? 986 cayman s vs 981 cayman s vs gt4
A Dream!!
In terms of articulating the experience of driving these cars, this is a step up from the sheems of this world, not to mention a lot of 'pro' reviewers.
What about steering feel difference? Hydraulic vs electric I mean. Anything in it?
What is your opinion abou the 997.1 gt3 rs?
Is it worth going with the 997.2 GT3 over the .1?
nice AP bro
i've heard a 997 GT3 RS in full chat. but boy can i tell you that it sounds absolutely insane. these NA flat-6 engines are a masterpiece
Search for ‘Porsche GT3 rally’, that sound is truly next level!