I Can't Believe Warcraft Made Me Cry... | 2016 Movie Reaction & Review | September Patreon Pick!
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I feel warcraft wouldve been way better as a series. Way too much lore to fit in a movie.
Honestly some streamer should do a show called World Of Warcraft, there’s so much potential
@@nerdydaily Yeah, or just make more Warcraft movies - i thought this movie had great style, but felt to much as a proligue but even though it didnt earn alot of money in usa/eu i believe i read it made shitloads of money in Asia.
A series would have been the way to go. With warcraft lore you can make multiple series out of it and I only played the RTS games not the MMO
I feel like movies can work if they decide to do an MCU style cinematic universe...taking individual stories from the novels like lord of clans or arthas story or take the individual campaigns from Warcraft 3 and make them movies
As a World of Warcraft player at the time I had to go see that movie in the theaters... It was a fun experience, not the greatest movie of all time but not that bad either. I enjoyed it as long as I was watching it and it's enough to be pleased.
As a Warcraft RTS player who also played some WoW this movie was really fun imo. But I liked the CGI work on it... And Ragnar (Lothar) was fun in this (don't know his real name), even if his acting didn't make sense with his how his character should be feeling he did make the movie better just by being quirky and not acting too seriously. It was surprising to me that this movie didn't do well, but I think maybe it did better in Europe than US. But yeah, there are some big nonsensical moments mainly because they were trying to cram too much into it.
I remember at the time, I was thinking it would be a 2 hour cinematic and couldn't wait. Which I think was the big let down. I enjoyed it through.
Idk why people were shitting on this movie, I have been playing wow since almost a release of first expansion, and really really into the lore, and even tho movie wasnt very accurate and a lot of scenes changed to me it was amazing to even see anything related to WoW in cinema, but unfortunately so many smart asses shit on this movie due to that and they didnt want to continue making more parts..
It was def a love letter. Not the best movie but it tried and did a good job with its budget.
As a warcraft 3 player i watched this movie in cinema 4times and did not understand the hate and was praying for a sequel
I love this movie. Every question you asked here is answered if you played WoW/Warcraft. Too bad we're not getting more of those.
You know all these characters from the games.
Well, some of these questions are answered from just deductive reasoning. You don't have to have played the game to figure some of the important things out.
"There's too many double crosses!" Yeah, that's kinda the whole point of the game lol. Taking even the slightest peek into Warcraft lore is like opening Pandora's box. There's so much shit and half of it ends up being retconned and then you don't even know what's actually true...it's nuts. This movie was 100% made for WoW fans because if you've played the game, especially Classic, you'd get it.
People overblow the retcon thing hard. Name more than 5 retcons. People get pissy when Blizzard adds context to earlier lore. Not sure why this gets conflated with retcons. Like Illidan being in the Legion expansion. It was all in line with previous lore. It makes sense that things could happen to where Illidan returns. Yet people say it was a "retcon" and that Illidan truly was just an evil guy who doesn't mind if we all died. That was never true. Warcraft fans are just idiots and they forget things because the lore has spanned literally 25 years. Yes they've done retcons, nobody denies it, but acting like it happens all the time is ridiculous. For 25 years of lore, Warcraft is actually more cohesive than people want to admit. Try writing a story for 25 years and NOT retconning anything regardless. All of that aside, I don't stand behind any of the lore in Shadowlands. What a piece of heaping trash that really killed a lot of hope for warcraft fans. I hope they can recover, but it's going to be hard.
@@hobosnake1 I think it's funny that you wrote that only to discredit Shadowlands when I was just about to bring it up. You can't not stand behind it, it's a part of the game now...which makes it canon! Hence why I said the things I did about lore/retconning.
And, as a personal note, for me anything that happened during/after Draenor is just out of pocket and ridiculous imo but I also stopped playing consistently around that time too.
@bed-bugg but shadowlands did not retcon anything. Did it sully the reputation of the game? Did it make things like the lich king less cool? Yeah. But nothing in shadowlands was a retcon. I think we probably agree on most things, but chaulking it up to "retcons" is not valid imo, because there were no retcons. Chaulking it up to poor execution and bad writing is definitely valid imo.
Obviously shadowlands is canon. I'm just saying, WoW lore is still cohesive enough. That does not mean it's all good.
Also, you stopped playing at the worst time. Legion was baller. If you didn't like Legion's lore, idk what to say. It was peak warcraft. But after legion is turned for the worst. It was a slow painful worsening until the very worst at shadowlands where it got so bad that I stepped away.
Regarding the betrayal on the orc side: Part of it had to do with Orgrim's guilt over betraying Durotan (they're friends after all) but the other part was that Gul'dan and Blackhand had reneged on their promise. Only Durotan was supposed to be punished for the transgressions, with the rest of the Frostwolves left alone. But after Orgrim turned down Gul'dan's "gift" of the fel (instead claiming to want to be given it in front of the other Frostwolves), Gul'dan decides to have the entire clan wiped out instead (that's why the orcs started setting those tents on fire).
Ironically, Orgrim initially betrayed Durotan because he couldn't agree with going against their own kind, but then Gul'dan went ahead and ordered the deaths of their own kind, the very thing Orgrim was trying to prevent. This was when Orgrim realized that Durotan was right about Gul'dan: he was powerful with his magic but also in his ability to hold sway over the orcs to do his bidding (and in the scene where Orgrim frees Durotan, there is an implication that the fel magic itself was clouding his, and the orcs, judgement just by being near it).
Regarding the plan to bring peace between orcs and humans: I think the King was working under the assumption that no one on the human side would know that Garona killed him. At that point, the humans were pretty much thoroughly wiped out, so the idea was that Garona could use the clout from killing him to set up the peace.
It still wasn't a great plan though.
With all that said, thanks for giving this movie a watch and if you're interested in learning more about the orcs, Blizzard released a series of short videos called Lords of War in anticipation of the Warlords of Draenor expansion (that was announced alongside the Warcraft film). The short focuses on a few prominent orcs and helps shape their views and society.
-side tangent: the lone gryphon could have won the humans the entire end battle.
p.s. You were correct about stuff being cut from the Warcraft film. Around 40 minutes of it according to Duncan Jones.
The biggest problem of the movie was to adapt an existing story that fans know in their sleep for an audience who never were introduced to any of it.
Because it works off many story bits like they happened in the games: Gul'dan and Medivh were in league with each other to bring the Orcs to Azeroth, Garona kills the King, alright, but in the game that happens in secret and because she's revealed to be partially under Gul'dan's mind control. That also marked the end of the First War with the Alliance fleeing Stormwind.
Durotan and Orgrim Doomhammer were also best friends in the game, but not part of the same clan. Doomhammer was part of Blackhand's clan, the Blackrocks, and in the games he succeeds Blackhand as new Warchief of the Horde and ends up killing Lothar in honorable combat, but ultimately loses the Second War against the Alliance afterwards.
This movie is a mishmash of both wars and has to work with a general audience and ultimately doesn't. I still like it. The music is excellent, the visual design is spot-on and for fans there's lots to take away from it.
But I agree they should've gone with a different approach. Like adapting the way more famous story of Arthas and his road to become the Lich King of the Undead Scourge form WarCraft III.
So the events of the movie mostly (with some discrepancies) depicts the events of the First War. At the end of the war (and in the movie), King Llane Wrynn is killed by Garona, Llane's son Varian Wrynn was the child seen when the King was leaving for the final battle. Varian becomes the new king, but due to still being a child requires a Regent-Lord to rule until he comes of age. Anduin Lothar is that Regent-Lord of Stormwind who leads the Kingdom on a counteroffensive to chase down the Orcs in the Second War. Lothar went down in Warcraft's history as one of humanity's greatest warriors and leaders.
When Varian becomes an adult he goes on to have a son to succeed him. That son's name is Anduin Wrynn, named after Anduin Lothar.
Anduin Wrynn is the current king in modern WoW's lore.
One of the problems this movie faced I think was not a fault of its own. That problem being, a lot of people these days kinda need to have everything spelled out for them. What I mean is, a lot of people can't make deductive observational reasoning anymore. Unless it's explicitly shown or said (usually as part of tedious exposition) people think it's "bad writing". Nobody wants to use their brains anymore. An example of something that some people don't seem to get is, the characters speak English (or whatever language this movie is dubbed in) for the sake of the AUDIENCE. When we're hearing dialogue from a particular character's perspective, they speak English, and we hear what language the other race actually speaks, because it's from THEIR perspective. You'll notice that, when Garona was translating for Durotan, the humans don't actually speak English, they speak an entirely different language that we usually hear as English, because it's convenient for the audience.
That's why I like Dune so much, there is so much information but you aren't spoonfed at all. There few lore expositions but it's never corny.
I love this movie sure they messed with the lore a bit but in general you see the good the bad etc and lots of cute Easter eggs in there for the actual players of wow, but are you watching the full version because there really seems to be a lot of parts left out, from what I'm seeing in this stream. Still I Always love watching others reaction to a franchise I love. Thanks for the entertainment, keep it up.😊😊❤
Its not written LIKE a prequel, its just the story of WarCraft 1.
The baby by the way is Thrall, a very famous Orc Shaman in the WarCraft Franchise. His weapon of choice will be Doomhammer's hammer.
Go-el son of Durotan.
It's not just the story
They changed a lot of sh*t which made the movie 💩
@@NPClownumber81googolplex movies always change stuff compared to books, games or whatever else. Its another medium, things work different on screen.
40:00 about the Portal suddenly opening to the human Capital.
It is the type of Magic that requires souls or not.
Gul'dan, the magic orc with spikes, uses Fel, which Medivh mentions in the beginning eats up Life. Gul'dan sacrifices a Deer to bring the baby back to Life. Fel costs Life and Souls to work. It is very Powerful, but also very costly. Using Arcane spells however, which is what Medivh use at the end , just costs "mana" (which is why Medivh had the big pool at the top of the Tower, after each big spell he is drained of mana and use the pools to restore faster) and a long time of studying, incantations etc.
Also, he opens a Portal to Stormwind which is reasonably close, while from the Orc homeworld to Azeroth is a completely different planet.
My favorite fantasy movie, and I'm saying this as a hardcore Harry Potter fan.
It was incredible to see this movie way back in 2016, being only familiar with Warcraft 3..
And it was a gem re-watching it after diving deeper into the lore and reading novels, knowing what will happen to the baby orc..
I went to see it expecting to just laugh at a bad movie and instead found a hidden gem
What's good about the movie is good! I'm more disappointed in a movie that doesn't earnestly embrace its subject matter or break any new ground whatsoever. For all its flaws, Warcraft dares to achieve something we rarely see without lubricating itself with cheap laughs.
@@heavenoheck9664 liar!
47:05 "... and he's found by.."
For the Lore nerds we know exactly who he is found by. It is part of a book about the baby orc and the baby orc grows up to become quite prominent (at a point the fanbase called him Green Jesus as he was literally the savior all the time, so the Moses-analogy is decently fitting). It is also linked to a location and a 5-man Dungeon within the game.
What is the book called? Sounds fun!
@@nerdydaily
There are a fair number of books in the Warcraft universe, and the older books do suffer a bit from being ret-conned to fit the later story in their MMORPG World of Warcraft..
It's been a while since I read the books so I hope I don't get them confused too much!
If I remember correctly, "Lord of the Clans" by Christie Golden is the story of the little baby Orc and the humans that found him.
The site Warcraft Tavern has a suggested reading list, they are not necessarily in release-order but rather in an "In Universe" chronological order which tries to take into account when new characters are introduced (some books kinda assumes you already know a few of the characters as they had been introduced in previous books), etc.
I heard that adding links to Comments sometimes puts comments into "awaiting approval"-section that creators don't always check so I'm adding links in a separate comment!
"Rise of the Horde" is a story about how the Orcs went from being tribes in various degrees of constant fighting and how they eventually unified.
"Beyond the Dark Portal" is the story of the second assault by the Orcs on the world of Humans.
"The Last Guardian" is the story about Medivh, Khadgar and Lothar (the three characters you see in this movie, plus the king IIRC).
I do however recommend reading "Arthas" by Christie Golden as that is among the most iconic stories of the Warcraft Universe.
I am a bit of a Lore nerd and fanboy so I should say that there is kinda no good place to start, but rather just pick a book somewhere in the beginning and then just work forwards and backwards from there! There is SO MUCH story in that Universe that fan channels have hundreds of hours of story about events, characters, locations, etc.
The floating city in the sky? Called Dalaran and home of the mages. The Blackrock Mountain where Orcs and Humans have a meeting in the movie? home of Dark iron dwarfs as well as the Elemental Lord Ragnaros. Again, there is SO MUCH story, and I really need to stop before I start fanboy-splaining too much!
Warcraft has an amazing Lore, the book before this ''Rise of the Horde'' is amazing. saddly i don't think we'ill be getting any more movies
What you may not realize is the Medivh is both villain and hero at the same time he was tainted by an evil force so its slowly taking him over he was the one that gave Guldan instruction to build the gate
He didn't level up he was possessed by a dreadlord. I was surprised they reloaded in Warcraft if you're a hunter you don't have to reload
In the early versions of WoW, Hunters did use ammo though.
That was Sargeras.
I am surprised by how positive and willing to defend things nerdy is sometimes. He's so nitpicky 99% of the time.
i mean you can feel this movie is made with love tbh , no need to nitpick a lot
I noticed that too. Especially this movie, where there are */edit elements /end* ready to be nitpicked served on a smorgasbord.
I mean, I don't mind the nitpicks it's usually pretty amusing unless it goes on for 20 minutes, but there are plenty of other things made with love that have been nitpicked to hell on this channel. =P
@@NoFoCuS I had to editt response, as it didn't come out the way I intended. I meant to say there were many elements of the story and screenplay that were served up ready to be picked at and roasted, but they were surprisingly not picked up. The movie didn't give them a chance to ignore the warts the last 1/4 though haha. It's still was a fun movie at times and I never defend it, as it is a guilty oleasure.
However I again was surprised at the restraint and good will shown to this as opposed to other things "made with love" they go at looking for things to dislike with no remorse. So I totally agree with ya.
the Warcraft lore is very rich with lots of interesting characters. As a WoW player, it was really fun watching the scenes, locations and characters come to life, but agree that this movie was trying to fit in too much and the editing was jumpy.
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Lothar's sword was known as Ashkandi, and two versions of it is even obtainable in the game 👌🏼
Frostmourne however is at this time hidden away in Northrend
Medev has two minds in his after the Fel takes hold. It's why his motives go back and forth.
Also, the portal ran on souls when Fel is used. That's because the Fel is all about twisting souls into fuel. The Guardians magic doesn't rely on that, and he used his final dregs of life to fuel the portal to try and help people escape
Also, the Orc's homeworld is literally on another planet.
Warcraft lore is immense. The history of Warcraft in 23 minutes makes for a good pairing with this movie for the uninitiated. The orc baby you called Moses is Goell, renamed by the humans after growing up a slave. Known as the badass shaman warchief Thrall, a.k.a Green Jesus. Easy to get lost in this without knowing the lore.
the language barrier thing is true to the game
About moving fast and jumping around.
All of these locations are well known areas within the game World of Warcraft. Most players would have a vague idea of running on foot in the game from the human capital of Stormwind to the Blackrock Mountains, via the different military outposts. I agree that it should have been shown better in the movie (might as well have just re-used those maps). A WoW player would also know exactly where Karazhan is in relation to Stormwind, where Goldshire is, etc.
Some characters are also quite recognizable due to the weapons they wear. The orc with the big hammer with square edges, Doomhammer. It is a wellknown item in the world Lore.
Another example, the humanoids used to fuel the giant portal in the beginning. They are called the RDraenei and they have a MASSIVE backstory to them and they have figured since the second expansion of World of Warcraft.
I'm not sure if you'd consider doing trailer reactions, but you could have a look at the WoW trailers. The first ones are mostly "look at these cool races and classes", the third (Wrath of the Lich King) features events from the RTS (Real-Time Strategy) game Warcraft 3. With that cinematic the trailers become more and more of a selfcontained story ment to hype up for the new expansion. They have also released animated shorts since the "Mists of Pandaria"-expansion ment to give a bit more Lore and setup of the characters and events in the coming expansion.
I know you are quite invested in the "Wheel of Time" at the moment (which is how I found your channel, your WoT episode reactions and also your book analyzes) but if you find time, there are a plethora of story within the Warcraft universe. A lot of it pre-dates the first game, some is shown during the first three RTS games and some is shown during regular questing and boss dialogues but the later expansions show a LOT of cinematics that can be viewed fairly standalone.
as a huge Warcraft lore fan this movie was amazing and I'm super bummed we didn't get more
As a warcraft player i loved it, even though they changed the lore compared to the games. (for instance, Medhive and Gorona were lovers in the games not father and daughter)
Easily the best game adaptation before Arcane
With the guns they where made in a full facility - lots of dwarfs making lots of boom. They traded front line boom sticks to allow for chained fire from the front line :)
I'm a WoW player, and before that I played Warcraft III.
I enjoyed this movie a lot. ^_^ The lore changes didn't bother me at all. Had a great time watching and re-watching it.
I don't give a damn about the haters.
Thank you for your reactions. :)
I actually really liked this movie. Was it the best? no. But I consider it to at least be one of the better video game adaptations. I really wish it had done better/we could've gotten more movies (especially if eventually it would take us to the WarCraft III (and it's expansion) part of the timeline with Thrall, the dark elves, Illidan, the Naga, etc...)
@nerdy nightly they don't all speak English. Orcs are speaking in their native tounge to each other(but since no one likes reading subtitles during a movie) they had it spoken in English whenever it was amongst eachother,, but if a human approached then from his ears he would hear orcish tongue. If you have Hbo check out warrior. The first 5 min does this perfectly
45:03 Well Lothar is a hero of the Alliance and this movie was just a really quick overview of the first war which the Alliance loses and Stormwind and it's lands get ravaged by the Horde. Lothar dies near the end of the second war but that rallies the Alliance and his disciple Turalyon takes up his mantle finishing the war in Alliance victory.
From your summary about this being a prequel to a movie that doesn't exist, it actually does - it's just NOT a movie. They are using the decades of lore from the Warcraft and World of Warcraft games as that existing story. If you know all the characters in those games this fits in like a really good prequel.
As for time and location never meaning anything, remember that in World of Warcraft, you can cross the continent in a few hours on foot, so there's an odd compression in their "world".
Finally, as for The Guardian being all over the place, remember that he's trying to stay loyal, but is falling under the corruption of the Fel magic. So at different times he is working for different goals.
Anyway, thanks for giving it a chance!
For people who knew nothing going into this movie, it needed to be longer, or even broken into 2. The Orcs are fleshed out very well, but the human side lacks something that makes them feel like the comic relief rather than people we care about. If you've been following the games for decades, however, it had everything you wanted to see and more. You could tell who people were by their weapons and outfits, and since it's lore we know, it's a lot easier to follow. If you want an idea how much lore Warcraft actually has, check out the amount of books there are. For better or worse, they crammed a lot into this movie and it's really too bad it didn't do better, considering it's really quite a fun adventure.
yes, frostmourne is from warcraft, its plot happens few decades later though, from warcraft 3 to second WoW expansion. this movie is mostly based on warcraft 1
As a warcraft player before WoW it's not that they were convinced they'd have a sequel. It's that the movie covers the original story.
Your right the film is too fast paced and edited crazy; that’s because Duncan Jones original cut was chopped down from 3 1/2 hrs by Producers forcing the editors to trim it under 2 hrs.
The same happened with John Carter; that film had a 3 hr 15 min cut the Disney Producer forced it cut down.
The main reason is $$$; these Producers want more showings per day as Studios get 75% of their profits from the first two weeks.
Scott’s Kingdom of Heaven had the same Studio interference, but he threatened lawsuit if they didn’t allow him to create a 3 hr 30 min finished Director’s Cut. The difference is amazing; the Studio theatrical cut is like 2.5 stars and is hated but the Director’s Cut is a 4.5 star critically lauded classic.
This is a prime example of why Studio Producers should never be involved in the finished product; they are not artisans but money managers
I would kill to see the 3h20 cut
I never played Warcraft and I still found this movie easy to understand and follow. The movie is non-stop exciting and there are multiple story lines happening at the same time. Which I love.
Weta Workshop built the practical effects for this movie just like Lord of the Rings.
you know why its hard to follow? because you talk to each other which takes away your attention and makes you miss details. this movie is all about details, if you can actually concentrate then its easy to understand and see.
The back end of the movie is so weird because they both rush to cram in all the lore but they also change a bunch of it.
While I haven't played the first Warcraft RTS, the lore I've read about it said that although Garona had been building a rapport with king Llane, she straight-up assassinates him. Then the orcs sack Stormwind.
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Interestingly, an earlier draft of the script did have a human-focused opening featuring Lothar and Wrynn battling trolls. This was later repurposed into a comic
This is broadly the story from the first Warcraft game, the problem is they told it like a World of Warcraft story from both sides which they didn't need to do. Also, Garona killing the king happened very differently in the lore.
In the game the orcs were portrayed as evil savages...it's not until Warcraft 3 the orcs got some resemblance of humanity in their character...I think the movie did a great job bringing the modern interpretation into the story of the first game
They got so much wrong but what they got right, they did well and had fun with it. I appreciate sticking true to the slightly comical storm wind armor without going full comedy and the little nods were done with love like murloc and polymorph. They should of had faith in it and taken their time making this a trilogy
There are also some very good scenes that got deleted, they seriously should have just made it a long movie. Would have been better for all involved.
I saw this in theaters. It was surprisingly good with some tiny teeny exceptions but it was good.
I think the pace of the movie moved like it did because the devs knew there may not have been follow up movies. So they got in as much as you can. I also feel like even though I love yalls reactions, you literally looked at this like it should be an epic saga, not just enjoying the fantasy element.
Also the physics of strength in this movie is true to the games. You could have a thin ass shield but if its power level is op, you could def lift an orc and its wolf easy peezy.
I played WoW back for the original launch and first few expansions -- by the time this came out I didn't really care, so I never saw it. But I can say this movie is clearly very much for WoW players more than anything, 'cause even most of the random outdoor scenes are recognizable locations. (I'd struggle to name them at this point, but I could point to them on a map of Azeroth, lol.)
Mmmm, it was an ok film and in regards to the makgora at the end, remember that Anduin said that you have to beat the orcs with wits since you are no match for them physically.
I think they tried to make a whole cinematic universe too fast. So the movie had too much in it.
If you ever see and read this comment fyi the last fight scene is sacred the orcs it’s a duel and who ever wins orc or not have the respect and honor of the orcs that’s why he is not being killed on the spot if you want to fully understand the lore play the game
if you are a student of the game, you would know that King Laine Wrynn, when he entrusts his wife and other child to his son, who is Varian, becomes king after Laines' death and ascends to the throne in Legion and Varian's son is Anduin, who is the current king and leader of the alliance.
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Medihv didn't use the Fel here, his spell drained the infused orcs, which killed them as the Fel was deeply infused to their bodies
imagine if they reacted to the dungeons and dragons movie from 2000
Oooooooo thats a good one!
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@@NerdyNightly they have made a dungeons and dragons movie in 2023
and the orc baby that floated down the river, who is Draka's and Durotan's son and is given the orc name of Go'El, grows up to be Thrall, friend of the alliance
In my opinion there were 2 problems that resulted in this movie flop despite being solid and true to the original story:
1. It was released in 2016 when no one kinda cared about WoW and Warcraft anymore even among fans who played it, not even mention those who heard about it once or twice in their lives. If it was released during say WotLK era when it was on peak of its popularity - maybe it would be a different story.
2. They chose a storyline from the lore which was reasonable in matter of narration in chronologic order but not that interesting or impressive in comparison to the story everyone loved Warcraft for - Fall of Arthas and battle with Archimond. Should they choose to tell this story first and then maybe retrospect back to the 1st war later - most likely they would've captivated audience with the epic story and even safeguard sequels. But 1st war story is not that impressive from the narration point of view.
Shame. This universe is very broad and interesting, full of opportunities. It would make for a great trilogy or even franchise.
I think the biggest part that was missed from your watching this is that World of Warcraft IS THE NEXT THING (sorta) so much of what is in the movie is "this happened to set up a story going on in the game" and not something that was really set up as JUST a beginning... Like the kid that floats down the river is Thrall, the main leader of the horde through most of classic wow days. Mediv acts so erratically BECAUSE he was literally going insane. Lothar is represented in a ton of chants and cheers in the game.
Dutar had his own backstory that played out in the game, so references here helped explain why he was not around later.
Basically my biggest issue with the movie is that it does a terrible job of standing on its own. Without at least a general understanding of the lore of the fights that led to WoW (many of these battles were direct references to battles in the RTS games) then the movies plot crumbles. It also does not help that much of the movie is set over the course of YEARS in the world, while it hops around so much and not one person gets older, so it just becomes a mess when they time jump and does not even try to clue people in. Like that "five minute switching of sides" was over the course of like (and I may have my timing off a bit) five years not just a few days or hours.
anyway thats my two cents
Not sure how we “missed” that when I said in the video that this is written like a prequel to a movie that doesn’t exist. I think we nailed it based on what you’re saying
If the rule that a movie has to make 2.5 x it's cost is still in effect, then this movie did make a profit. I believe it's still the highest grossing movie based on a video game.
Man, hearing these guys complain about the CGI reminds me that I'm an old guy. I come from an era where fantasy movies can only dream about having visual effects that are even half as good as this movie. To say nothing of the decent if unspectacular acting, old fantasy movies usually have zero good acting or just one good veteran actor who had bills to paid.
Yup I sound like that old guy screaming at the kids to get off my lawn 🤣 I will definitely agree that the casting of the queen as the hero's sister.....yeeeeah, that was bad casting.
I played World of Warcraft for about 10 years and love watching this movie for the history of characters and places I interact with in the game. Also…the river baby is one of my absolute favorite lore characters. I don’t feel much affinity for the orcs…except for Thrall.
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Durotan's plan was to expose Gul'dan as the dishonorable and selfish monster he has become, and fully knew that he wouldn't make it out alive.
You see, the rules of Mak'gora(orcish duel for supremacy) are:
No armor.
One melee weapon or just bare hands, but no dual wielding or ranged weapons.
No poisons.
No help from another individual.
No submission, the duel only ends in death.
And most importantly: NO magic.
This movie feels like Joss Whedon's Justice League. A decent 3 and a half hour movie got cut down and reshot to fit a 2 hour studio mandate
I was honestly surprised the studio didn't at least allow the director to get the proper/extended cut on when the disc got released :/
Image zack snyder to direct a 4 hour cut for warcaft tho to be honest lol
@@imperiumgrim4717 I'd pay good money to see that
@@BloodDjimon614 true tho
Oh my god! I was contemplating a rewatch of this the other day, one of my favourite fantasy movies tbh. Cant wait to see what you guys thought :D
The "movie" that this movie was the "prequel" to is the whole World of WarCraft game.
Wow is the 4th game in the series, set a couple hundred years after this. The story for this was Warcraft Orcs and Humans about the invasion of Azeroth and the first war with the horde. A war the Orcs won. There was a 2nd war, then the whole burning legion war then WOW
You nailed it, Nerdy. It is a prequel, except it’s for the game World of Warcraft. If you know the lore of the game, the movie makes more sense, but it doesn’t make the movie any better. I worked at Blizzard, and I’ve read all the books and lore, so it was neat to watch, but the story is better because it wasn’t rushed. This should’ve been a series. But there can’t be another movie, because everyone has played the sequel a million times. The Warcraft lore is actually pretty good, there are twenty something books, and a ton of lore on the internet. Big miss on this movie though.
Amazing lines from Clarus: “I don’t know shit about the Bible.” And the crowd surfing line. 😂 Also, sorry Nerdy, it’s Garona. Yeah, Frostmourne is from the franchise, but wayyyyyy later in time. Y’all nailed this one. For the Horde!
What exactly were you working at in Blizzard? Considering how much you've red, you must've been a lore consultant for the writers or something..
@@almas4663 I wish! I would’ve taken that job in a heartbeat if it was available. I was a Gamemaster. Then worked in QA and Billing for a bit. I was just a big fan of the lore. I liked how Warcraft clearly got the genre from Tolkien, but went a different direction with their origins. I actually listened to a few of the books on Audible. Also, that’s where I found out about WoT. When you’re working 10 hours in a cubicle, check out Audible, it makes the hours fly by. You’re welcome Nerdy, and Clarus. 😋
This story in the books and games is actually very good, however it is minimum a 10 hour story if you're going to tell it to people who don't already know the universe.
So they tried to change things around and compress the timeline etc to make it into one movie, and that just didn't work.
I'm convinced that if they stayed true to the original story, and gave it 3 movies instead of 1, it would have been quite epic.
The movie makes perfect sense to any real World of Warcraft fan. The movie isn't for non-fans.
well.... if you actually know and care about the original story then it doesnt make that much sense as they changed many things about the lore pretty nonsencially
@@andralfoo Few things here and there. But nothing that should bother anyone overmuch. The movie's real shortcoming is the live action parts. A World of Warcraft movie should be 100% Blizzard top quality cinematic. It should be just a Blizzard cinematic, but 2-3 hours long. The live action was the only bad point of the movie for me.
I think one of the problems with this movie is that it got rushed and really kind of feels unfinished. Fans were begging for a Warcraft movie for years before they finally decided to make one. I remember there being some kind of delay in production near the initial release date and fans were disappointed at having to wait even longer. I think they just said to hell with it and just threw together what they had and hoped it would be enough. This movie really deserves a Remastered Directors Cut.
Loved this movie. Rewatching it helps you get the things you missed. For instance, Garoana killing the King. That while conversation she had with the Queen explained why...
Warcraft was definitely a flawed movie, but it hits all the right notes for fans of the games. I grew up playing the RTS games and dove in headfirst when WoW first launched, so I can accept the weaker points of the story easier than someone with no knowledge of the lore at all.
I actually liked the language switching. I thought it was an effective way to do it.
Exactly
Guys, I love your reaction, but...
Thiy is a movie about a video game.
I has nothing to do with logic, normal character development or common sense.
But the game is awesum, and so is the movie. Because 99% of the things they show actually are right from the game!
This film really gives me the feeling of lots of studio interference...
Yup I had the same. Like the absurd 'romance' between Lothar and Gorona. Had the actually artists like Duncan Jones had control, it would have been a lot better. This screams, several execs all wanting changes that cheapened the material.
fyi the portal that the orc's opend bridged a much bigger distance and needed more energy, hence the soulsucking gul'dan did, portals on the same planet (in limite size tho) can be opened by every mage as long they know the place it lead's to like capital cities.
"I don't know bible shit" Claroos is the best
I remember one horror movie where the guy slept with a collar on because his girlfriend was a vampire and tended to try and bite him when startled awake. What gets me is Corona telling Guldan he'll lose the horde if he kills Lothar for love instead of letting him do it and have the invasion fall apart.
This movie wasnt really a flop. it did make profits, but not alot. atleast they didnt make less money than the movie took to make.
I actually enjoy this movie, yeah its a bit crazy at the end but it's entertaining.....but I don't get why everyone says Llane's plan is crazy. Durotan is dead, they have no allies/agents in the Horde. Garona becoming revered is the only chance they have to divide the enemy force. It's really the only endgame possible within the framework of the story being told.
Warcraft lore spans 4 editions with many expansions and consists of questlines as a history teacher. You think this was fast paced, watch the fan vid The Entire History of Warcraft in 23 minutes. Nerdy is right. It's not made for everyone. WoW players cheer at every setting because they are recognizable if you've played. This movie is basically the first rts. Stormwind is the human capital in WoW, but at this time there were several human kingdoms. Too much map to fit in 90 minutes with any coherence.
Guldan was a sickly orc who was picked on. He became super evil when he started using the fel. It was the Burning Legion who gave him the fel, and Medivh became one of the legion's dreadlords in the fel pool. His home, Karazhan becomes a raid. Goel, the orc baby is raised as a gladiator slave eventually becomes a shaman leader for the horde. These tidbits barely scratch the mass of lore.
The animatics are worth watching. There are many, but if you watch only one, I suggest The Battle for Azeroth.
I like that it wasn’t a long fight :) makes it seem more real
The pace was one of the major issues (I think someone used Drums of War before editing.. lol). Everything just moved too fast, very little set up. And some scenes were really weird. Art direction was absolutely on point, everything was beautiful. We need a 3 hour long Director's Cut.
Gul'dan makes it farther than you could ever possibly imagine ;D
All of the name location drops that you don't get to see are all just Easter eggs for WOW the game.... The movie is very much a cliff notes version of the pre-game setting Lore.
the "sequel" that you are looking for is the game. For comparison and contrast perhaps you should check out the cinematic trailers for World of Warcraft.
Technically there were 2 games before WOW
u need to read the story line and ull understand the movie more. the baby is thrall who leads the horde in warcraft. there is so much to the lore. if they would of slowed it down and did it the way lord of the rings and hobbit dose it we would of ended up with 30+ movies easy. the storyline starts way way way before this point but warcraft 1 storyline starts around orcs invasion of azeroth do to the legion/demons. if u read the storyline trust me as most people do ull love it and then understand and love the movie alot more and wish more were made. alot of critics who dont know the storyline hated the movie unfortunately thats why no more were made
The thing i really loved about this movie was that the orcs were like hulks. in lotr orcs remind me more of goblins, except the urukhai.
Yeah, the play was to do 3 movies. This one covers WarCraft I. Then there is II and III. Movie 3 would be about the baby Go'El.
The story is rushed because they tried to be way to faithful to the original story. So they included ALL the important bits of this war that lasted for TWO years.
PS: World of Warcraft had a ACTIVE player base that was bigger then the total population of more then 100 countries at some point.
I want a sequel to Warcraft. It needs to mix things up and keep some of the cast. I think it needs to focus on a different side.
Possibly the only movie I've seen that I thought it was both legit bad and wished it had at least an hour longer run time.
I still think they should have made a Warcraft III movie, maybe even turn it into a trilogy, but this film was still fun. I think it suffered from not really allowing anything to breathe. It was constantly moving at a breakneck pace. If I could go back, it would be cool to make two films, one from the Orc's perspective and one from the Human's perspective, intertwining the narrative making for a richer, fuller whole. That probably would not be economical with the budget but damn would it have been cool.
Warcraft movie absolutly has a charm, and few of the scenes are strong, but the rest of the movie works a little bit weird.
Had watched that on the big screen, I enjoyed it, but well I prefer to play as Orc in WoW and those had been the best part of the film.
As bad as this movie was, the fact that they are so judgemental and balls deep obsessed with the cgi is quite cringe
They did so much setup with medivh, garona, and her child that doesnt even pay off in the actual game. Half space goat, half orc has a part human child who is a magik god.
Yeah its not horrible, but it is kind of a guilty pleasure for me. It has its good moments. Glad ya'll had a good, odd, weird time with it lol.
Frost Mourne is from the World of Warcraft lore. It's wielded by The Lich King, who would have probably appeared in either the second movie as a kid, or the third movie. The story of Arthus and Silvanas is very Shakespearian and would have been epic but would not be able to fit in a single movie.
D'aww nerdy you are so adorable! I totally agee with y'alls assessment of just how rushed it was! Like, let me sit and breath a bit before ya slam into the next scene, right?
Sorry for making loads and loads of posts, not sure but I think it best to make individual posts instead of one massive-ass thesis level post!
Many players assumed they would look into doing the Arthas storyline (which is VERY iconic in the lore and among the playerbase, consider reading the book) but Blizzard knew that having a Human-centric story as their first (and possibly only) movie would anger the players who belong to the Horde and focusing only on the events leading up to the Orcs opening the Portal (as in letting the opening be the mid-point or the end of the movie) would mean only Orcs which would annoy the Alliance players (and those of the Horde not playing Orcs). So to try to please both factions they had to try to include them both about equally.
I hope they make another Warcraft movie in my lifetime telling the story of Arthas. Or a tv series with a decent budget.
In retrospect, this would have been so much better as a streaming series than a movie. It would have given them more time to develop the land, the characters, the setting. It's just too rushed.
I just assumed Lothar and the queen were half-siblings. Not super far fetched, Ruth Negga is half white herself.
Basically, anyone who knows the story of Warcraft will understand this movie. The director of this movie made a big mistake and wanted to bring the world of warcraft, which was full of story content, into a movie. In my opinion, if he wanted a pre-story or... it would be better for those who don't know Warcraft to understand the story by watching this movie.
Oh and also the for the alliance is actual fans.