Klipper 3d Printer Firmware - What is it? Why do I want it?
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2021
- Due to all the questions I get about Klipper, decided to turn the camera on and talk about it for a bit (and then edit it down to a more manageable video)
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Okay, the adding a second board seamlessly by merely connecting a usb cable and extending functionality is what did it for me, that is cool. I've always wanted to add a diy MMU to my ender 3 and I have my 8 bit board left over, that's genius.
I've just started researching klipper and so far I've been blown away by what it offers with the inexpensive readily available hardware. Cool stuff, thanks for the broad explanation.
That was a great explanation on Klipper! I wish I would have seen this a few months ago when I first started dabbling with klipper! Now all of my printers will have it except my prusa mini,
Great video! Switched my printer over to klipper after your ender livestream. Editing config on the fly is imo the greatest feature. I've spent hours recompiling marlin to get thing right, mainsail and klipper make this a breeze!
Perfect timing. I I've been hearing more and more about klipper but seemed sort of arcane to me. This is a pretty much perfect rundown for those of us who are keen to give it a go but didn't know where to start. Thanks a lot!
Fantastic delivery of information. Your channel was sent to me to learn about this and I am now very curious about how I can incorporate this into my print farm.
Thank you for taking the time. I'm going to check out more of your videos.
This was VERY helpful and have been looking for a high-level explanation.
Wow!
That video is awesome! Thanks a lot for all the explanations! Very well done!
You explain extremely well!
Great information. thanks a lot. I have used marlin a lot and am now building my first Voron 2.4V2. Lots to learn and lots to work out.
Great video - really enjoyed it, great flow sir!
Thank you 🙏🏾 lol this was best explanation I’ve watched so far... much appreciated!
Thank you this answered a lot of my questions!!
Great video man. Sending this to all of my friends that I'm trying to convince to switch over to Klipper ;)
I found many answers to my all concerns. Thank you for this clarifying video.
Very thorough video, thanks. Been using marlin for years but want to dive into corexy this helped me know what to expect
Awesome content! Thanks for your knowledge sharing! Great stuff!
Im stoked i discovered your channel!
Excellent breakdown of klipper/firmware systems.
Great content! Keep it up man!
Thanks! Everything is quite clear. I plan to install klipper on a duet 2 diy system, and I'll have to go through your 4 hours video about that. I never had the nerves to watch it till the end...
Thanks for this amazing summary video!
Hi, firstly I'm loving the live streams and your tuition videos. They are awesome. I am very new to Klipper and in the process of building my first Voron (Switchwire). I don't know if this has already been done but would really appreciate a video on creating the Klipper printer.cfg from scratch. All of the videos so far seem to presume you already have a printer config to reuse or upload... Keep up the great content. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you for sharing! Grateful you shared this before i started going down the octoprint route. The amount of money savings with running zeros, 8/32 bit boards become better, and you can combine boards if needed. I need to learn some more about the possibilities using multiple boards.
With multiple boards i do suggest using a pi 3b or better due the usb ports
Thank you for making the effort of making this helpful video
Great overview and introduction to your other Klipper videos
Great explanation - Now I have to get a Raspi.
Thanks to bringt this to our attention.
Greetings from Munich, Tom.
Thanks for pointer to multi-MCU ! Pulled out my old creality 1.1.4 original board, added a 2nd z-stepper and now have auto x-gantry leveling! Awesome!
As always, you rock man!
Thanks for the Klipper overview. I am in process of upgrading my old FT-5 to CoreXY and a SKR Pro 1.1 board. I was actively toying if this was the right time to look into something other than Marlin for firmware, and Klipper was top of my list to play with.
Very clear, articulate explanations.
Love this style of video
Nice video, and now a Tutorial how config/tune a printer with Klipper😁👍 best channel for 3d Printing😏
Good stuff Nero
Snaz' intro to this FW. Impressed with some of the features. :D
A video on getting klipper to drive an E3V2 and coexist with octoprint is exactly what I need 🥰
@@siddharthkaza5021 oh, cool. I don't think a video like that existed three or four weeks ago when I was looking into it. Thank you!
I picked up a new Pi Zero 2W just for this purpose! Looking forward to playing with it! Thanks for the video!
Thanks. This was really informative.
Purrrrrrfect timing!
We need more klipper RUclips videos. Great video. Thanks.
Awesome explaination! You earned a sub 😊
Just such a good video. Thank you SOOOOO much!
Such a great video, a lot of informations there, love that :) anyways im gonna install Klipper this weekend, got some configurations premade, i was reading a lot about Klipper, currently ive got latest Marlin firmware on my printer, works great and ive got Raspberry Pi 4 which opened my another door :)
excellent explanation and video !!! 👍👍👍
Definitely keen to see a video on the Ender3 V2! I’ve not had mine for long but looking at raspberry pi and I think Klipper would be perfect to run on that!
Excellent explanation.
Klipper also runs quite well on old pc hardware. One advantage of using it is you can get stupid cheap pcs for less than what you can for a proper raspberry pi setup. You can also run multiple printers off one machine and you could also set it up to do your slicing. Kiauh installer is a really nice tool to use as well, this is what I use to install on the different computer types.
Thanks for this nice overview. I've heard a lot about it before, but never bothered to follow up on the topic, i was just running Stock-FW and Marlin for now. Guess i have to think about what printers i want to upgrade next and if Klipper might be the way forward.
Excellent, thanks!
👍👍😎👍👍 - I would have never considered using Klipper ......... until I saw your livestream last weekend and now watching this video. Once I have the nerve to take am acceptably working printer offline, I'm going to give this a go. THANK YOU for pushing me out of my ignorant comfort zone. 🤣😃
Great explanation. I like your more casual video formats more, though. But I understand that you have to make more 'professional' videos like this for the usual viewer. Anyhow, you are my favorite youtuber to watch, while working on my printer ;)
Great info! Thanks
Klipper is GREAT, one of very few things related to 3d printing that I've been really excited about . In fact, in my opinion, it is one of the best thing that happen to 3d printing community, simple idea but brilliant. Do all the calculations by sbc and you all your control board is doing is executing gcode received by sbc. All my printers have 8bit controller boards, after I replaced marlin with klipper, wow, they print so much faster and better now, and you have so much more control over your hardware. Lately, I've been working on designing tool changer (similar to e3d, jubilee), people think they need better board like duet to handle all those extra motors, fans, and sensors, nop, klipper can drive several controllers at the same time, if you need to control extra motors/fans just add another cheap controller, even the most expensive boards like duet can not match what can be done with klipper, or perhaps they don't want to, if you need extra IO buy extension board, if that is still not enough buy top of the line board for $$$, and extension board as well, don't know. Personally I find marlin very limited,confusing and a lot of time is wasted recompiling, RepRamFirmware is OK but I say klipper is a way to go, i love it,
Brilliantly explained; I'm not super into 3d printing or anything, but I do have two older machines that would benefit from a leg-up in terms of their speed and configurability. I always mistakenly thought Klipper needed some custom hardware, like a special shield for the Pi so that it could directly control the steppers; I didn't realise that it would still use the original controller, but as a dumb I/O processor, that's pretty neat, and you helped clarify that. Thanks!
many thanks. very useful.
Nero, I tuned into your livestream last Saturday, and I am super excited for all the things you're planning on doing with this channel. I think you're going to explode if you keep it up with this type of clear, informative content because I think there currently is a need for a 3D printing channel that goes beyond consumer printer reviews and intermediate-level upgrades. As of now, I think the biggest channel that fits that description is Tom Sanladerer (whom I really enjoy, don't get me wrong), and it goes down from there in terms of skill level with most of the big channels. Which is fine; there needs to be entry-level content for people to get involved with 3D printing in the first place.
For however long I've been 3D printing, I saw my Prusa as the pinnacle of prosumer-level print quality. Your Voron/Klipper videos have shown me how much untapped potential there is, even with sub-$1k hardware (hell, even sub-$500 hardware with the V0). The Prusa, while still a great printer, suffers from unavoidable artifacts such as the Benchy hull line and vertical ringing, but all it would take to fix these things is a Raspberry Pi and Klipper, which is crazy to think about. You probably don't have much reason to go out and buy a Prusa, but a really clear and detailed guide for getting Klipper working on a MK3S would likely make big waves in the Prusa community. Many people on the Prusa forums seem to be in denial that there even are software limitations with the stock MK3S, but maybe a good video and a lot of community experimentation could lead to officially-supported Klipper on the MK3S. That would certainly have a watershed of effects on the whole market.
Maybe that's overly dramatic, but I sincerely think more people need to see what's possible with more processing power on cheap printers. Your Klipper Ender already blew my mind, and you can only go up from there.
One critique though, I think you should shut off those lights in the window before filming. Very distracting to see bright blue lights shining directly into the camera!
Thanks for the kind words, Next video ill make sure to turn the sun off so it wont shin through the window :P
(its just blue tape for now, temp fix till stores open back up, yay lockdown)
@@CanuckCreator Ha, I thought those were fluorescent tubes.
I'd appreciate a Klipper to Ender 3 V2 installation video. Perhaps a bit more condensed than the 4 hour live stream :)
Great video!
What I like most about Klipper is the pressure advance, it works so much better than Marlin.
Also, Marlin has a bug with the BLTouch clones on SKR1.3, Klipper doesn't!
Pressure advance & Input shaper. Nuf said.👍
I really like how detailed you are at going over all the options and benefits of klipper
You may want to look into scholar's cradles. Using such gestures while talking can aid in conveying information better and make it easier for your audience to follow along
Specifically gesturing with a raspberry pi and similar boards is really distracting
I uploaded Klipper Firmware to my dog and now he can poop 3D prints perfectly.
I've returned to Klipper after seeing your video on input shaping. It improved a lot since I last tried it. The ease of configuration compared to Marlin is worth it alone. PS There is a good klipper plugin for Octoprint.
Interesting. I have an Artillery Sidewinder X1 with Octoprint installed. I'll have a look to see if there's a video out there for my setup.
I can't get rid of ringing with marlin, I may give klipper a try :)
Just cuz I keep hearing about it I think I'm gonna try!
It runs very well on May old tvbox
that apron is baller
I wonder if anyone has done a detailed comparison of finished prints using the same print settings on the same hardware (aside from the control board setup) between Klipper, Marlin, Marlin+Octoprint, and perhaps RepRap. It would be great to see if there's any difference.
Simping for klipper!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! For me it would help me out a ton if you could do the klipper installation for the Ender. Although if I invest more time I could probably get it done myself but the threshold is too high for me at this moment:)
I've been running klipper for a while but always good to see another overview to make sure I'm up to date on the high level support/ features. What kind of step rates are you running with your printers? I've got a SKR 1.4 Turbo and raspberry pi 3b and ran into step rate issues trying to run 128 for ext and 64 for 4 other independent steppers/ stepper driver. Also diamond hands baby.
Hey nero, are you plqnning on doing a voron legacy build. Would love to see a video on it.
Great video. Some points I'd like to make:
For any mainboard running an LPC17xx, you can flash Arksine's DFU Bootloader which allows you to bypass the whole moving the .bin off the SD card and onto the mainboard - you can flash Klipper as normal via the SSH terminal.
One limitation of Klipper that I (and others) have had issues with is the ability to set the Z offset. Traditionally in Marlin, you are able to tune your Z offset while the print is running or in the case of Prusas, run a dedicated script which will trace a line where you can live adjust your Z offset with the knob. Klipper has no such feature. You are able to go to the tune menu to raise/lower the nozzle to adjust your Z offset during a print however this change only applies on the next GCode command, not in realtime as you turn the knob on your display like Marlin does. In turn, this makes tuning the Z offset a bit cumbersome and an aspect of Marlin I do miss.
The delay is Z adjusting is due to the fact timings are super critical with klipper and it sends commands in batches/blocks to the MCU, so injecting instantaneous adjustments isnt really a thing that can be done.
@@CanuckCreator Ah I see. This is an area where Marlin does outperform Klipper - maybe we will see this functionality in a future update.
I've never understood the need for this feature. I use the z_endstop_calibrate feature to tune my z offset in Klipper, then use very small gcode offsets in my slicer based on bed temperature if I'm printing PLA instead of my normal ABS. It's a one time adjustment that takes maybe 5 minutes and doesn't need to be changed again until I physically alter the printer such as a nozzle swap. I print for hundreds of hours without ever adjusting my z offset, and my first layer is always perfect.
@@jakepF1D As someone who regularly changes the position of the probe to change toolheads and whatnot it is very useful. Even generally for fine tuning the first layer height it is useful. The fact that Marlin does it via the knob instead of having to use a web interface makes it a lot easier to get a good first layer too.
@@agentl3r It still seems like you could do this once per toolhead, and you shouldn't need to touch it again. Ultimately though I'm sure others use printers in a different way than me. Mine is set up to do work, and I don't touch it unless I'm using it to make parts.
Great breakdown!
Please do an install video, preferably with an Anycubic Mega/S printer :P
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Hello, you have very good channel. I'm gonna transform my Ender 3 into Switchwire, and then someday build Voron Trident, you channel is very helpful. Subscribed.
Cant wait to have duet 6HC and 3HC compatibility ! (Or just someone to write a base config files to start from..)
thx for this vid helps
Thank you a lot :))
You had me until it came to touch screen support! Klipper sounds excellent, looking forward to seeing more touch screen support in the future.
Despite the fact that the only G code I care about is from snoop dogg. I subscribed because you seem like a really legit youtuber. Gj
Smooth PA and input shaping is a pretty sweet deal. Enough to warrant a switch really but what's the status on the arc support?
A great video, thank you very much. Kindled my interest in Klipper that has really only been on the periphery of my awareness and attention. I would like to add a +1 vote for you to do a video on installing Klipper to an Ender printer.
ruclips.net/video/gfZ9Lbyh8qU/видео.html here you go
Awesome. Thank you 😎
Updating firmware without reflashing the MCU is the major selling point of Klipper for me. I couldn't got back to marlin.
Would love to hear how to connect a dedicated interface. Can I use a second raspberry pi with a touch screen?
nice vid :) ill try it on my ender 3 next weeks and print voron parts :)
Can your Ender do ABS? I'm wondering because I would also like to make Voron parts in the future, but I have doubts that my MK3S can do that unless I shell out for an enclosure.
@@Joe_Yacketori i taped the hotend cooling fan to the nozzle, so no air from the cooling fan comes to the part. second i have a big cardboard box. with abs+ from esun its no problem :)
thanks for the video, wonder if it works on a prusa mk3
Awesome and detailed intro to the klipper....is it capable to be used as CNC controller? I mean sows it supports spindle and laser options
Like that smash button or hit that like button?
I'm probably one of the few to notice when you change it. Non the less, great video fellow Canadian !
Same reason I switch between zee and zed, gotta make sure you're paying attention
Thank you tremendously for this video and the wisdom you've shared. I want to build a Voron 2.4, and already own a R-Pi 3B, SKR 1.3, 1.4 Turbo and Pro 1.2, and because of the info you shared at 5:50, I won't need to also buy an Octopus. My question tho is do I also need to install Klipper on the slave MCUs?
pls pls make an installation tutorial with fluidd for the ender 3 with pressure advance and imput shaper
This sounds like a inovative idea, having an atmega controller, this is very tempting.
Two remarks:
You are mistaken, when saying the raw commands need less bandwidth than the g-code, also it's much more timing sensitive, thus it has rather high demands on the communication interface.
Also the native UART of an SBC provides much better latency than an uart with the whole USB communication overhead. Bandwidth itself of course is not a problem, but latency can be.
It is incredible how slow the 8bit boards are.
What about the shut down procedure for the rpi? I have pretty much given up on RPis because I've had so many installs corrupted due to improper shut down. I love that I can just yank the cord on my mk3 and move it to another room and pick right back up if I wanted to
You can shutdown the RPI through the webinterface if you want
I would love to see clipper on the end of three installed completely though so I can do it myself 👍🏼
Where did you get that apron?? Very cool.
Great vid. But it would be even better if you showed how web UI looks like, and how the LCD panel works and looks like after the update.
this is all fantastic. I would like to begin the transition. I have many printers. Can you recommend a video to get started. Ender 3 or cr10 or sovol sv01. something like that. Thanks
hi how long are the wires from the extruder motor
to the m/board thank you
It's not an option for me but I like your way of explaining, it's perfect, mostly youtubers fails in this discipline ...
I know right, it's so calm and concise and brings real world examples to further elaborate the concept
Top explains love contents
And that's why I just subscribed.
Okay this is a lot of into and well presented, but I've got a couple of questions.
1. Can one raspberry pi run multiple printers?
2. If it can, what are the limits? For example, I have a pi 3b, and I've been hoping to jump into using it to remotely run my printers, but it really challenges my comfort zone (I am NOT a tech person yet)
3. How secure is it? I tried octoprint and it worked great, but I've been told that it's essentially open access to my network without some plugins. When I installed the plugins it stopped working, and I haven't reflashed it.
Thank you for taking the time to put this video together.
yes! a video guide for ender 3 would be most welcome. Really appreciated. Perhaps with a more full blown installation on a more powerful rpi, next time? To include the web interface software too. As that part was not possible to show on your previous pi zero guide, due to it being not powerful enough to handle that... BTW in terms of rpi os images, perhaps you should also check out fluiddpi? It is a newer fork of mainsail. It keeps getting recommended by people. Although I am not myself sure what the extra difference between fluiddpi and the original mainsail is. Perhaps somebody else can let us know in the comments here? Best of luck, and thanks so much for all these klipper videos. Still learning! Good day.
I talk about both fluidd and mainsail in the video, atm there really isnt too much difference between them, personal preference for which UI is the biggest difference.
@@CanuckCreator Yes I was aware. But were you aware that fluidd is not 'fluiddpi'... they are actually different projects from each other. With slightly different names.
@@dreamcat4 fluiddpi is just fluidd in a pre made install package. Like how octoprint is to octopi. They are not different projects
And fluiddpi isnt a fork of mainsail. Its basically just based the premade method that mainsail uses for mainsail OS. Github shows it as a derivative when its really just using the same basic install package setup
@@CanuckCreator thanks so much for clarifiying... it was very confusing! Really it was. I even had to go and look at some of the source code. Anyhow now that it is clear then just for myself it would make sense for me to install them all under docker, using the docker images provided by dimalo/klipper-web-control-docker on github. He includes images for both mainsail and fluidd (and also klipper, moonraker, etc.). It can be installed on docker onto a stock rasbian. Or on any other linux computer with docker. This then lets me try out both web interfaces without any pain in switching between them. Without having to re burn and overwrite the OS image. Aside from those docker images, perhaps it would be also convenient run the interactive kuiah shell script too. Just for installing any other remaining / additional software that was not already being provided by the docker images. KIUAH might akso be convenient for generating the right klipper firmware .bin for flashing onto the controler. Hopefully that should have me all set.
Well u saved me a lot of money as i am trying to build a corexy from scratch with multiple extruders.
So if i understood correctly with klipper i can use multiple boards(even 8bit ones) in unison and now I don't need to buy a fancy board with 6 plus stepper slots?
That's GENIUS :D
Correct. Note that things like endstops gotta be grouped up on each board though. So xy motors on a corexy machine on the same board. Or z endstop on the board with the z drivers
@@CanuckCreator Is this the same for extruders? Meaning temp probes and heaters have to be connected to the same board as the extruders steppers?