Hey friends! Thanks so much for your interest in this subject and, for the most part, for expressing your differences in a respectful way. (Unfortunately, on both sides of the issues, some are too zealous and act divisively, but thankfully, that is the minority.) I did, however, want to address something that's come up in the comments section a few times, namely, why didn't I address Dr. Missler when he was alive? First, to be perfectly candid, I had read some of his work in the past but never saw any of his videos until now, nor did anyone ever ask me to address his teachings on this while he was alive. Second, someone posted this clip on our channel here, suggesting that he raised some good objections to a post-trib rapture, and, since I knew he was a highly respected teacher, I thought he would represent the pre-trib viewpoint well. And so, out of respect for him, I thought this would be a good clip to respond to. Third, because he made his arguments concisely, I made mine concisely, wanting to be fair. I fully understand he could have expanded on each point at length, and obviously, I just co-authored a whole book responding to arguments like this. Fourth, I would be absolutely delighted to have a full-length, moderated, mutually respectful debate with a top pre-trib teacher or scholar. With joy! I live for moments like that and, had Dr. Missler been alive today, I would have been delighted to do the same with him. We'll let you know when such a debate takes place, and for now, we strongly encourage you to get into the contents of our book with an open heart and mind. You might be surprised by what you discover. God bless, and again, I honor and respect those who come to different conclusions based on their prayerful study of the Word. We remain one in Jesus!
I love watching your videos Dr. Brown so informative and biblical. I am a pre- triber, and would love to see a discussion between you, Jack Hibbs, Amir Tsarfati (Behold Israel)i, JD Farag ... all of these are pre-trib teachers with their own RUclips channels and I listen to them frequently regarding end times bible prophecy. Amir just did a very interesting video on the Millenial Kingdom and they have all taught very in depth on the rapture of the church. It is wishful thinking on my end but I'll think it would make for an incredible discussion, absolutely brilliant minds all around. God bless! 🙂
Agree totally. I learned a ton from Missler over the years and am grateful for his teachings. However, as one who does not adhere to a "once saved always saved" theology, I was really let down by Dr. Missler when he called us heretics. It was very late in his life and I hope he wasn't serious.
I also wanted to add the reason why I am pre-trib. For me one of the most significant scripture that I have found is concerning the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians: Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. II Thessalonians 2:5-12 NKJV My understanding is the restrainer is the Holy Spirit keeping the anti christ from being revealed and according to this verse the restrainer must be taken out of the way for the lawless one to be revealed. The Holy Spirit lives inside Christians so it would make sense that we could no longer be here during this time. B. I also understand that people who had the opportunity to become Christian's prior to the anti christ coming but rejected the gospel will not be able to receive salvation during the time of the antichrist or tribulation because they did not love the truth and for this cause God sends a strong delusion that they would believe the lie (wonders and signs he performs) that all will be condemned. I cannot imagine why Christian's must go through the Great Tribulation, we are the bride of Christ and we have been faithful. I think we still go through tribulations in this world but I believe at the tribulation period it will be for Israel, the Jewish nation to finally accept Christ as their Messiah, this is for them, the church will not be here. I think that is why the verses in Matthew are so important: 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel-let the reader understand- 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak.19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-and never to be equaled again. What I ask myself is who is this referencing? 1. who is concerned about the Holy temple? The Jews, as Christian's we are the temple of God. 2. How could we see the abomination of desolation in the holy place...to me this indicates technology as only specific people are allowed to enter the temple let those who are in Judea (Jews are in Judea) this seems like it will be an event that is broadcasted while people are literally on their rooftops entertaining. 3. Who would come down from their roof tops? The Jews in Israel most often utilize their rooftops for living quarters. 4. Pray your flight is not on the sabbath... who would be mostly concerned about the sabbath.. the Jews, as Christian's we understand Saturday to be the Sabbath but Sunday is the Lord's day in which Christ was resurrected. For me it is as clear aa day, of course there is so much more that I could go into but these particular scriptures fascinated me the mos. , It doesn't seem like the church will be here during this time. I am not a theologian, I have never taken bible classes so in n no way am I trying to educate anyone, this is my plain understanding from what I have read 🙂 blessings! 4.
@@rlb9808 ....i agree with you 100% and listen to the same preachers myself. Dr. Brown didnt answer the population of the millennium kingdom very well in my opinion according to scripture. Jesus said in Matt 13 of the wheat and tares, that when He comes the angels with gather all that offend/tares and cast them into the fire. The wheat will go into the kingdom. "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matthew 13:41-43 KJV So if everyone who has the Mark of the Beast when Jesus returns gets cast into fire, then according to Dr. Brown the rest get "raptured/glorified bodies", .........then who can populate the millennium??? Glorified saints wont repopulate according to Jesus in Matt 22:30, we will be as angels. "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." Matthew 22:30 KJV Also.....how can Born Again believers that are SEALED with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, take the Mark of the Beast and be damned forever?!! No way!!!! "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30 KJV
I would rather prepare for the great tribulation & be surprised by the rapture, rather than, being prepared for the rapture & being surprised by the great tribulation.
It is clear that that we have to endure until the END! The Tribulation is NOT the end! Even the plagues that fall AFTER the Tribulation isn't the End! First, the sun will be darkened, then the moon will be darkened, then the stars will fall from heaven, then the powers of heaven shall be shaken! Then comes Christ! That's STILL NOT the end! When he comes, we shall see the reward of the wicked (i.e. their death), and then the resurrection of the righteous... Then at the very end, we shall be raptured!
Ray me too!! I'm not saying ones right or wrong but instead preparing for the latter and not putting a my eggs in the protein basket. I'm trusting that no matter what God will give me the strength to face post if it's the true meaning. But have to say all my life I was taught pre trib theory but it never closed all the loopholes and fit perfectly but the post trib does. I'm reading the Not afraid of the antichrist now. I think it's important to study all views with the word yourself keeping an open mind as you do. Because ultimately you want to be able to tell someone who doesnt agree why you believe or dont. It's like being able to speak with confidence why you believe in God. I think it's important to prepare yourself for post trib to not be caught off guard. I dont believe God will take as a lack of faith but one of preparation and alertness as he has called us to be. If the pre trib rapture happens awesome. But Dr Brown pretty much knocks it out of the park for me. I've begun researching and studying and comparing what I've always been taught so that I can say I believe because I know not because that's the way I was brought up. This involves even challenging what my Dad and my Grandfather who was a preacher taught. It just seems to be a smart and a cautious and responsible way to follow God.
@@robertanoble6433 if it is so clear, then why is there disagreement? Only the most liberal scholars debate the resurrection, virgin birth or miracles. The fact there is so much in the way of disagreement is because at least one side is either misreading the text or reading their own doctrine into the texts rather than letting the texts speak for themselves.
@@jamesdaniel1376 The Bible calls it great delusion to fall upon the whole Earth. "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24 KJV bible.com/bible/1/mat.24.24.KJV
Odd, our comment doesn't seem to appear any more. In short. Chuck would have said the same thing he always said. If you believe a word he says without finding out what the Bible really says, you flunk the course. He never asked people to defend his position. Only to look towards scripture for authority.
Jesus himself said and taught his followers... John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of All that he has given me, but raise it up on the LAST DAY. John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that EVERYONE who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the LAST DAY.” John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the LAST DAY. John 6:54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the LAST DAY. Even first-century Christians knew that the resurrection/rapture was on the LAST DAY,... John 11:21-25 Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother(Lazarus) would not have died. 22 But even now I know that whatever you ask from God, God will give you.” 23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the LAST DAY.” 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,…
I do not put my faith in rapture. My faith is in Jesus. Whenever he comes is the right time. If we live through tribulation, God will sustain us like He did the Israelites in the desert.
Trust in Him, no matter what may: Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
The 70th week of Daniel is called The Time Of Jacobs Trouble for a reason. All the weeks of Daniel is in relation to Israel and not the Church. Chuck Missler is correct.
Israel and the church are one. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise. Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy was completely fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago with Jesus' first advent. Daniel told us what the prophecy was for and it was competed. If Jesus did not fulfill it already, then we are yet dead in our sins. Dan 9:24 "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place. Jesus did ALL of that. Furthermore, there is a problem with presupposing a "gap" in the 70 week, it was never stated that there is a gap! And what's more, it declares Messiah is cut off, not son of perdition. Dan 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off..." There is only one Messiah and that is Jesus Christ, or Yeshua Ha Mashiach.
@@TheTurtlee1 We are in the period now where both Jews and Gentiles are part of the Church... but currently as a nation Israel is blinded. Luke 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. This blindness will happen until the fullness of the Gentiles is complete: Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Once this time period is complete we will then see Daniel 9:27 come into play. In v26 we see the Messiah being cut off(crucified) and then the "p"rince in the last part of the verse is the antichrist. When Christ was still on the earth he mentioned this event that would accur in the future. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Clearly Jesus was speaking of Daniel 9:27 Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. And Paul talks about this: 2 Thes 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Then also read Rev 13 for the fullfillment.
@Cave_4 :YOU - Israel as a nation IS NOT IN THE CHURCH. They are distinct. ME - That's the truest statement you made. Furthermore, Jesus is not coming back to save the nation state of Israel. He is coming back to redeem the promise of Abraham, which IS Israel proper and includes the "church", which is not some mystical entity separate from the plan of salvation. Jesus IS Israel. Everyone else is attached to Him, not some nation state set up by the prevailing world government. Joh 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. Joh 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. Rom 11:16 If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too. Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. Rom 11:19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." Rom 11:20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; Rom 11:21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
First, the tribulation is not the day of the Lord, that happens and then ends, before the sign in the heavens and then the day of the Lord happens, after that. How can the tribulation be the wrath of God, if Jacob is saved out of it? ) Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.( Secondly, it is not all about Jacob’s trouble, as they falsely lead you astray, for Lord Jesus, tells us why, in context and tribulation is about Christians. I hope these people repent, of falling under this delusion, the mystery of iniquity, before it is too late. ) Act 4:12 Neither is there SALVATION in any other: for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we MUST BE saved. Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men FOR MY NAME’S SAKE: but he that endureth to the end SHALL BE saved. Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be AFFLICTED, and shall KILL YOU: and ye shall be hated of all nations FOR MY NAME’S SAKE. Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men FOR MY NAME’S SAKE: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same SHALL BE saved. Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and PERSECUTE you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers FOR MY NAME’S SAKE. Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you FOR A TESTIMONY. Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have CHOSEN you out of the world, therefore the world HATETH you. Jhn 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have PERSECUTED ME, THEY WILL ALSO persecute YOU; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. Jhn 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you FOR MY NAME’S SAKE, BECAUSE THEY know not him that sent me. Jhn 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, BECAUSE THEY have not known the Father, nor me. Jhn 16:33 THESE THINGS I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have TRIBULATION: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Jacobs trouble in holy scripture is only one day! And is not Daniels 70th week that man made timelines and dispensationslism has created a fake injected fairytale FACT!
"God's wrath" is a bit more than "trouble" and the problems we face today. We have the restraining hand of the Holy Spirit that will not be present during God's wrath. When the Holy Spirit goes, the Church goes.
The HS does not go because the HS is omnipresent. The function of the HS will change.The Church who was once empowered by the HS has gone up. Things will be different on earth.The age of Grace is over and God will revert to punishment as in the OT times.
How can the HS leave when God turns His attention to the Jews in Israel ?They would have returned from around the world as promised by God. God will deal with them and some will be saved.The HS cannot leave.His function will be different.There is no church after the rapture.However the Jews will be reached as they forsook Jesus when He came the first time. This time they will mourn for Jesus.The HS will convict of sin, r and judgement.The HS will be here.@@cba4389
I love Chuck took His classes at koinonia institute, taught from his revelation commentary my first time through Revelation Bible Study, but he’s wrong on this one. It was through careful study and prayer looking at the Word along side Chuck’s commentary that convinced me its post-trib. Listen to His Matthew commentary and watch Him skip past Matthew 24:31 without a word of commentary about it. Love Chuck and I know He’s with the Lord but he missed on this one.
@@thebridechurch9478 Disagreement is what makes for a horse race. I still stick with Chuck. Ultimately it is a minor issue. I listened to Dr. Brown and he did not move me but as I said it is a peripheral issue. Jesus is God and he paid the price for my sin. That is the important part. If I don't see you in the air I'll see you in Heaven, or perhaps the New Jerusalem. :)
Please all you saints, just prepare yourselves and pray that you will be found worthy to be called to participate to the marriage supper of the Lamb! So please make yourself ready to be granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright for his coming. It is good to have an idea about the timing, but it is more important that you would be able to overcome and be found faithful till the end whenever it might be! You are all beautiful to Him. Love one another!
The fact that Jesus ANSWERED the question about the signs of his coming and the end, means there are signs. It won't be a totally unexpected "season." The day/hour may not be known, but the general time certainly will, or Jesus would have answer their question about "the end of the age" with: You'll be surprised. YOu won't know. It will be unexpected. No, it's unexpected for unbelievers, a thief to them, not to us. The children of light will not be taken by surprise.
If one just sat down with Perry Stone Dr Brown Chuck MIssler (good luck his in heaven lol) and some others. Ask.. is PRE MID POST anywhere in the bible? FACT its not. All we do is read some verses and then say "what that verse really means.. what JEsus was really saying".. SOME leave out "what how I personally believe". Perry Stone will tell you that..SOME others dont.. For me.. Jesus said He went to make us a home and will come get us so where He is we will be. I take HIM not man telling me what he personally thinks Jesus was saying or meant. Jesus is coming to get us. And facts.. 300-400AD hymn writer wrote about CAUGHT UP before 7 year trib. That does not prove pre tirb. Just .. they DID talk about it and believed it then. I saw it read the scroll. Then a show was on TV where the man show'd them and then talked about other scrolls before 300ad. Do dont let people try to tell you NO ONE talked about PRE TIRB before 1830-1930..what ever.. People need to stick with whats written.. live today for CHRIST in the moment He gave us. He never promised us tomorrow.. did you know that? WHY are we talking about a DAY we might never see? Live expect JESUS NOW! YOu will never miss Him.. no pre no mid no post.. its not written.. be ready NOW
Today is the day. THIS is the hour. We're not promised the next second of this reality... And it's certainly not a bad alternative for the lovers of Christ.
The end of the age Jesus is talking about is the Jewish temple and the old covenant. He is talking to his disciples right after he says there won’t be a stone left standing of the temple. 70 ad the temple was destroyed. He said there would be wars and rumors of wars. This was in a time known as the peace of Rome. There weren’t any wars going on in this time. I’ve recently come to see this passage for what Jesus is actually saying.
Pre- trib is wrong Revelation 20:4-6 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and Holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. As you can read this is the FIRST FIRST FIRST RESURRECTION. And Christian were fighting against mark of the beast.
So, Dr. Missler's teachings have been around for YEARS, why didn't you do this while he was still alive and could respond to your response? I still hold with Missler.
Jeffery.. HAHA made me laugh.. I know you didnt mean it they way I took it..but.. YEAH! HELLO! I wrote the mans gone.. cant answer back or defend.. and I wrote he talked about this MANY times..anyway
pre tribers are so desperate that they have to try and change history and say the pretrib rapture idea was from the 3rd century latin Pseudo-ephraem "For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins the Syriac Pseudo Ephraem direct translation before words were changed and added which is pure evil, really says "Pronouncing the good fortune of the deceased Who had avoided the calamity: 'Blessed are you for you were borne away (to the grave) And hence you escaped from the afflictions! Saints escape tribulation by death not rapture:
Almost cried again watching that clip. Brother Chuck gave me so much that I will never, ever be able to repay. God bless his sweet soul. He brought out things in the Word that even though I read them regularly, I wasn't as sharp and didn't see what he saw. He was mightily used of God and his love the for Jewish People was evident. When he died, I broke down and lost it. Could not watch any more of his vids for over a year (maybe 2). Then, I had a such comforting and heartwarming dream about him that gave me peace and I was able to go back to his videos. In the meantime is when I found Dr. Brown, so all is good. Thumbs up on this vid. I very much appreciate Dr. Brown handling this delicately with dignity, grace and respect for those who may watch and feel the same as regards our loss of Chuck Missler. He is loved by many, many in this world. He greatly increased my love for the Word and showed me how to "handle" it with a closer eye to details. If someone has to be blamed for my constant thinking on the Word 24/7, blame Chuck! "You can't get anything through to anyone with a PhD. I know 'cause I are one." ~ Dr. Charles Missler. He's now home with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and his lovely bride, Nancy, and his son, both of whom preceded him in death. May our Great God and Savior bless him richly for his service to Him on this earth. And Mrs. Nancy Missler did wonderful work and produced great books in her service to Jesus Christ, Our Lord, also. Both were simply fantastic Christians who gave all for Our Lord and lived their faith to the uttermost. God bless them for it, I pray! (Now with tears streaming: Brother Chuck, if you can somehow read this (ha, ha - dimensions and all ...), I'm looking forward to the hug I got from you in my dream being had in real time! I miss you so much!)
Carole Wilson, 100% agree on “If someone has to be blamed for my constant thinking on the Word 24/7, blame Chuck!” Made me laugh just how accurate that is.
@@jordanpatton8352 I'm happy that it brought a smile to your face, Jordan. Brother Chuck was sharp as a tack, no doubt, and so very much loved God. Yesterday, I wasted a few hours thinking about quantum particles and Ezekiel's wheels: (Paraphrasing) "When this was lift up, the other was lift up" and "When this one went that one went..." I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse at this point! LOL. God bless you and yours, Jordan!
What I always took away from Chuck...well I can only speak for me.. He always made me think.. He might not be right.. YOU GO SEARCH THIS OUT! YOU FIND IT! ...SO MANY dont say that! And when asked questions (later in life) if it was NOT CLEAR in the word "I wont speculate".... YES YES YES!
I’ve been a pre-tribber all my life, but God’s recently given me new insight that’s making me question that. I’ve been going through scripture after scripture, argument after argument. And I’ve been praying hard. Every issue that pre-tribbers bring up about post-trib has been remedied by points in scripture. At this point, I now believe we will experience a post-tribulation, pre-wrath rapture.
I'm guessing that your study didn't include the Lords feast of Rosh hashanah or Yom Kippur. Not surprising when the church avoids Passover by celebrating Easter on a different schedule. His plan is laid out in the Feasts. You just need to include them in your study. Rosh hashanah is the rapture and it is connected to Yom Kippur by ten days of awe. Study the Bible with the Holy Spirit and stop following the reasoning of men.
How do people miss the man that wrote hymns.. preached 300-400 AD.. hello? SCROLLS.. I cant be the only one that read saw those.. WAIT I am not.. it was on TV.. TBN a man show'd them talked about what THEY FOUND ( I searched and found before I saw that show).. and he found other scrolls writings before 300ad. Please.. this does not prove PRE TRIB! Did we not listen to DR BROWN or Chuck Missler or Perry stone? PRE TRIB MID TRIB POST TRIB are NOT IN THE BIBLE! Or we would not be talking.. Seems there are people were people that BELIEVED JESUS will come before 7 years.
Paul clearly said that we should not be deceived about the Coming of Jesus Christ, Paul said in regards to the Coming of Jesus Christ and Him gathering US together to Himself that we should not be deceived by what anyone says. Paul says that the Coming of Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to meet Jesus will NOT take place until the following happens FIRST. 1. The Apostasy 2. The Revealing of the Son of Perdition Then when those two things Clearly happen Jesus WILL Come and Gather us Together to Himself. 1. The Apostasy has NOT happened Yet! 2. The Son of Perdition has NOT been Revealed Yet! So the Rapture will NOT happen yet! Paul said Clearly that the Coming of Jesus Christ and The Resurrection of the Dead MUST happen before we will be Raptured together to Meet Jesus.
I respect Dr. Browns position as well as pre-trib teachers as well. One of the best teachers in pre-trib is Dr. Perry stone..ultimately either position doesn’t bother me. I just know my heart is ready to meet our Lord whenever that may be...in the meantime we have to keep sharing the gospel that transforms lives! God bless you!
I grew up in Calvary Chapels. They ALL teach pre-trib, but it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to get there, so at some point I just focused on Jesus and Paul and they agree that Christ will return, and we will be gathered together in the air, when the apostasy happens and the man of lawlessness is revealed.
Paul clearly said that we should not be deceived about the Coming of Jesus Christ, Paul said in regards to the Coming of Jesus Christ and Him gathering US together to Himself that we should not be deceived by what anyone says. Paul says that the Coming of Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to meet Jesus will NOT take place until the following happens FIRST. 1. The Apostasy 2. The Revealing of the Son of Perdition Then when those two things Clearly happen Jesus WILL Come and Gather us Together to Himself. 1. The Apostasy has NOT happened Yet! 2. The Son of Perdition has NOT been Revealed Yet! So the Rapture will NOT happen yet! Paul said Clearly that the Coming of Jesus Christ and The Resurrection of the Dead MUST happen before we will be Raptured together to Meet Jesus.
I agree to disagree with Dr Brown. I am a pretribber The Lord will spare us. We are His bride and have been made righteous because of the shed blood of Jesus Christ. I am awaiting His return every day. I do not believe that anything needs to happen first. Maranatha!
@@JulezandChris. So dear woman, you're ignoring scripture through pure desire to believe whatever is most comforting to you though it will, if wrong, cause you to, out of fear, be unprepared, if we have to go through Tribulation. And you will end up taking the Mark of the Beast to save your life? This kind of ignorance and stubbornness is what will get many xtians killed unnecessarily. There are as the brother above has shown, things that must happen. If you don't know this, you'll think the Antichrist is Jesus and follow him, clueless, as Christ Said A Great Deception is Coming, and false prophets, false Christ's will appear, before He Himself Returns. Don't be foolish. Read the Word. Get prepared. Listen to the H. S GET READY TO RUN TO GOD'S SANCTUARY... REVELATION 12 SPEAKS OF. IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED YOU WILL DIE OR TAKE THE MARK. YOU CAN ESCAPE IF YOU HEED THESE WORDS. SHALOM. .
Nope sorry. No warning. The believers will be beamed up and the non believers will be left behind going trough massive tribulations. And then the Antichrist shows up like some kind of savior. There won't be any signs. Even If it is, It won't be enough to even guess . Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Guys, it's not a save me from persecution thing.... Remember isis, and beheadings? The Christian in Africa and China? Look past your current state for a larger picture. Even if you want your tribulation, I pray that you escape it. May God keep and bless us all.
The Bible does not teach us to expect Him at any moment, but rather gives a clear timeline as to when we will be "caught up". It even says in Daniel, and yet the end is for a time appointed.
Indeed @Edward Bonthrone. He is loved, cherished and missed by so many. There'll never be another Brother Chuck! Regarding his teaching on "Daniel," I hope you've gotten far enough along in it where you understand this because my intent is to make you smile: "Bring me my brown britches!" God bless you and yours, Edward.
Amen, nor does it change the fact that we all have our own date with our own personal apocalypse called the first death regardless of how long Jesus tarries. With no idea on the day or the hour on that one either! I'm not sure if I'm pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib, but I do know I better B-ready for all of it!
I want to thank you for lovingly challenging Chuck's view, Michael, as I find that these references to "imminency" are thinly veiled and have no spiritual backbone to support them, as you have so clearly pointed out. There is NO teaching in Scripture that says that Jesus can come back at any time. Only "when he returns" -- that's the teaching of Scripture. For example, Luke 18:8b, "Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8b, WEB) Your points about Jesus saying to Simon Peter about how he would die, absolutely spot on. This teaching on imminency is simply not Scriptural. It's important to stand on the word of God, and not the word of man, and too many people have been caught up in popular teaching that does NOT come from the Scriptures! Having said this, I'm still studying this, and am really not of a firm mindset on exactly when all of this will happen, and am still learning. Thank you.
I will humbly admit that I've always been a believer in the pretrib rapture until now. These arguments by Dr. Brown have convinced me to reconsider my entire viewpoint on this issue.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The New Covenant: Bob George ruclips.net/video/Rj7NQffg_NE/видео.html
You should watch chuck misslers actual video series on this. It would be silly to change your opinion in a 9 minute video where Michael Brown has responded to a couple points, that Missler already rebutted in his rapture series
Max Blade Except that would be contrary to what Jesus, the apostles and the Old Testament prophets have told us to do, numerous times, throughout the Bible. We are told to be ready, encouraged to “look up” and to look forward to His appearing (for which we get a crown), and, of course, in both the Old and New Testaments, we are told to watch, and when we see the signs that His coming draws near, to warn others!
The tribulation or time of Jacob's trouble is a tribulation time, before the Millennium, for the Jewish people in Israel.. not necessarily for the Church in the world
The captives returned from captivity after Jeremiah wrote the Book of Lamentations, which reveals the time of trouble for Jacob's people. Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) 10. Watch the RUclips video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
I respect you Dr.Brown but you are wrong.. you have missed Paul... the tribulation is for Israel 🇮🇱 not the church. The rapture is not promise to Israel but to the church his bride !!!
What body do the Tribulation Saints belong to? And don't you have to have another Rapture and Translation for all who have dies, and remain alive at the end, to get caught up to meet Jesus "when He comes in the clouds in great glory?" How many 1st Resurrections are there? Pre-Trib doctrine causes all of these issues which aren't there when the Rapture verses are all put together.
Sketchpad Warrior you are blind and no matter how well one can point out why there is pre trib for the church you would not believe bc you are blind. Paul the apostle said Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. Notice he says we not Those who are alive.. he included him self why bc it was revealed to him the rapture of the church.. and God used Paul to bring the gentiles to Jesus.. The body’s that you mentioned is the church coming to earth with him from where ?? Heaven is a promise that to where he is we were to be with him.. you know what’s so sad of you’re wrong doctrine is that now a days so called Christians do not fear God by drinking clubbing getting tattoos don’t preach about sin why bc they are not waiting for the rapture of the church bc they think is so far and that they will go through the tribulation is so dumb and sad I hope the Holy Spirit opens your eyes and repent ..
I absolutely love Chuck Missler, but I love listening to your teachings too, Dr. Brown. I don’t believe in pre-trib rapture so I always just took it with a grain of salt when listening to Chuck exegete on it. Regardless of our stance, no one is untouchable, and we don’t divide over this point.
Thank you dr brown, as a pretribber myself, I never heard of this preacher till now. Have to check him out now! Since I also don’t consider this salvidic, my trust will always be on Jesus promises and provisions for his children rather than the timing of his return. Psalms 37:25-26 (KJV) 25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. 26 He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.
Post Tribulation IS pre ORGE! Post Tribulation has always been before Christs ORGE as when Jesus COMES and the First Resurrection takes place that is when Jesus begins to Trample the ORGE! The False Pre Trumpet Pre Bowl Teaching has many disturbing errors!
I love both of these tremendous men of God. After studying this issue for more than 30 years, I've come to this conclusion: after a superficial read, you will NOT come away from the Bible with a pre-tribulation Rapture position. However, after studying the scripture with the proper "hermeneutical hygiene," and how the Holy Spirit uses patterns and parables to communicate Truth in a way only He can do, the pre-tribulation Rapture is painted all over the Bible, and in my humble opinion, it becomes so crystal clear.
Isaac and Rebecca come to mind for me. Eleazer (helper) sent to get her (bride) by Abraham (father) for Isaac (SON). "Don't take my son again into the land," (doing my best from memory). The patterns swirl around in my mind constantly, so I really appreciated your post! God bless you and yours, Neil.
I, too have studied this since the late 1980's. Only when putting all of the Scriptures together, in context, without reading dispensationalism into them, does one get a proper, Post-tribulational view of the Rapture. Turns out, it's also the Historical Premillennial view, held for centuries. Also, Pre-Trib separates the Church into several different bodies -- Church Saints and Tribulation Saints, divides the saved Gentiles from the saved Jews, and creates the necessity of at least TWO Raptures, TWO "1st Resurrections" and two Returns. It was never understood to be this way in the early church.
Neil Peterson I love a man who applies the correct Hermeneutics, Typologies and Patterns to Scripture, you can never go wrong. 🙌🏻 I also love the Scripture in Genesis which could be Foundational for a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. When one of the two angels tells Lot and his family to flee to Zoar (before destruction of Sodom) as Lot found FAVOR and was considered Righteous before God for protecting the angels. The Righteous are always Removed before Destruction. “ Hurry, escape there. FOR I CANNOT **DO ANYTHING** “UNTIL” YOU ARRIVE THERE.” Gen 19:22, 😘I have heard it said that before war begins a Government Removes its Ambassadors from Trouble, and We are Christs Ambassadors on Earth. So we’re going Pre-Trib’ even if the Mid and Posts Tribbers don’t like the idea😘 Bless you Brother, see you in the clouds 🎺⛅️
You start to wonder and PLEASE FORGIVE ME if some are not being deceiving on purpose. Well.. I read the word come away with pre tirb. Now I cant find PRE TRIB OR MID OR POST TRIB in my bible. I can SEE all views. But I like a few ..it HAS to be written. Jesus told us He was going to make us a home.. and will come get us so where He is we will be. Now I have NOT TO BOAST seen heard WONDERS from my Father..our Father of our lord JESUS Christ. The only reason I can guess is..I read His word.. and I take HIM at what He said. Not listening to "what that verse really says.. what JEsus was really saying or who Jesus was really talking to was " See.. for me JESUS IS REAL! And when I get stuck.. I search listen to ALL these men of GOD but in the end.. I have to pray and ask HIM! And CAUGHT UP... is something HE NEVER talks about.. NEVER says PRE is wrong. or post is wrong.. strange how HE WONT Talk ab out it.. I then YEARS ago.. how SOME OF YOU MISSED IT.. well you cant just GOOGLE IT. Before I saw the man on TBN (like or not TBN..it was a show ON TBN) he talked showd' scrolls of a man that wrote hymns and preached. I saw it...before I saw the show.. SCROLLS! And you can read it.. CAUGHT UP before 7 year trib.. when you ask did this man write these? 300 400ad. This does not prove PRE TRIB! But it does prove some like those PAUL 1st wrote to..were watching waiting for JESUS. Searching I found those thought JESUS came and they missed it. I NEVER get "Paul was warning them that this teaching Jesus coming any moment was false or error".. a never got that.. now hearing it from someone.. and later they tell you about POST TRIB! Ok.. know I see why they say "Paul was really warning them.. what Paul was really saying" blood of JESUS.. JESUS told you.. I go to make you a home yes? ASK HIM! NOT MAN NOT DR BROWN.. a JESUS did you go to make me a home and your going to come get me so where you are IN HEAVEN.. I will be also? Did you say that to ALL of us? I cant be the only one that can ASK and hear back right? JESUS IS REAL right? HE said MY sheep HEAR My voice? Sweet sweet Holy Spirit talks yes? ACTS He did.. or did some PREACHER aka MAN tell you why you cant hear from the GOD THAT IS IN YOU! IN YOU! IN YOU ... ask HIM..pray then WAIT on HIm.. then..if its HIM..He will back it up by HIS WORD! ASK HIM! ...all this TALK about what MAN believes and no one can just ask JESUS 2k years and NO ONE to this day KNOWS when now or afterr.. NO ONE KNOWS! so be ready NOW! Live for Him in the MOMENT HE GAVE YOU! Do everything for HIM Expect HIM NOW
Max Blade i do not ever intend to take your heart away from Jesus, or from your fervent expectation to see Him at any moment. Yes, He will Return for us. For all of us. And we will be caught up to meet Him when He appears. All Saints of all ages are His beloved bride, and make themselves ready for Him, and He will Return for all of us. It’s not only just the timing that’s at issue. It’s “ecclesiology” that’s also at issue- who is the Church, and do those called, chosen and faithful followers called Tribulation Saints also share in being His Bride.
I am pre- trib but I’m trying to understand the post-trib viewpoint because I want to hear both sides. These are two verses I haven’t heard addressed yet in the post-trib side. Anyone have any idea where to find them addressed? “Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” Matthew 24:44 NKJV “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” Revelation 3:10
Hello. I think that you are conflating the two. The groom will come for his bride and it is essential that she be ready at any moment-Enoch was and then was no more; where did he go? Ezekiel left but did not die; how did he depart? Who is the Restrainer/Comforter and what happens when He leaves? Jesus said that I must go so that the Comforter must come. They are mutually exclusive. Paul remarked that what was hidden and specifically revealed to him was the opportunity of gentiles to be joint heirs. Because we believed and are tasked with bringing the gospel to others including those who are His chosen, we will not incur the wrath. The 1/2 half of trib is marked by specific events that will signal that period for those who initially rejected Him and killed His prophets. He will return and bring us with Him.
My father believed with all his heart that he would not die but go in the rapture alive. Jesus Christ came for him on Easter morning many years ago. We need to be ready because Jesus will one day come for you in rapture alive or in death.
Have you read Corrie Ten Boom's beautiful letter on the dangers of teaching that we will not face tribulation? It is short but powerful. The church in China experienced a "great falling away" because western missionaries had told them that God would rapture them before the tribulation. Then persecution hit and they lost their faith.
We as Christians have "citizenship in Heaven." The Tribulation is for those who "dwell upon the earth." The 70th week of Daniel was promised for The Jews, not the church. It's a Pre-trib Rapture.
I was once a post-tribe believer having read Ladd at college..But years later the penny dropped primarily by rereading Roland Bucks Angels on Assignment book. Not so much the words of the angels that appeared to him but they way they explained the rapture .. it lines up with scripture. The feast of Tabernacles where the Israelitesmake booths to live in for 7 days (symbolic for 7 years) and on 8th day celebrate. And looking in Revelation that the " great" tribulation is primarily God's judgement upon the earth from his wrath..believers covered with the blood cannot experience those wrath judgements so they need to be elsewhere while it's going on. I realise Dr. Brown is scholarly and he thinks they things honestly but sometimes the scholarly biases get in the way of simple truths..most scholars are amil or preterists so their expositions aren't going to help. But thank God he does look into someone's heart to see they accept pretrib rapture before he takes them..be free to discuss amongst brothers
Since I can not find PRE MID or POST anywhere in the word.. So.. I live in the moment HE gave me.. I am ready now.. watching knowing He is coming NOW! For me.. it will always be NOW when He comes.. and I was not promised tomorrow. Wise to prepare...but.. if your ready NOW one will NEVER Miss HIM! Always thinking about HIM.. watching waiting.. I LOVE IT!
Wheres its say GOD is going to protect the Church during the Tribulation? NO where in the word. I know GOD said we will NEVER see His wrath.. no where does it say protect us IN His wrath. Well LOT "as long as you are here I can do nothing" Lot had to be gone.. Yes lol I heard DR Brown talk about NOAH...but.. how can he not know if NOAH was gone..would you and me be here? So Gods WRATH.. just on a few cities is it? No the WORLD and some in it or ALL? Did GOD miss you? ALL! The whole earth.. where will you hide? how many 1/3 die? The sea? So.. were talking about a time that ALL the wars put into one dont come close to whats coming.. THEN.. Satan.. hmm dont you ever wonder about how can Satan have power over the saints in the great trib? Its written. How? did not JESUS aka GOD say "behold I give you POWER? And over ALL the power of the enemy? Greater is HE that is IN YOU.. where is this GOD? IN YOU! Yet.. SOMETHING that RIGHT NOW has ALL POWER Over the lawless one.. is taken out of the way (NO WHERE in the bible does it say WHAT that is) then.. when SOMETHING is taken out of the way.. what are the ODDS Satan can come out in the open and do LYING WONDERS! Things NO MAN has ever seen.. strange...he cant do any of that right now.. We would bind him in JESUS name.. resist him and he would HAVE TO FLEE! yet.. not during those 7 years...then..what about those VERSES about US in heaven? When will that happen? Dont you find it ODD over 2k years now and NO ONE but NO ONE can just ask JESUS about this? Ask Him.. should be so easy..HE IS IN YOU. His SHEEP hear His voice. He is REAL right? HE said My sheep hear my voice.. Holy Spirit talks.. in ACTS He did. Protection... shall we talk GIFTS? Healing TONGUES... MOST can not even agree on those.. and protection.. doing it NO IS HE? how many times in your life you asked...WHERE ARE YOU? WHY Dont you talk? on and on. People DIE get sick..GOD DID IT? How many have no clue about that. And you think you will be able to make it believe in a time where SATAN and LYING wonders are going one..when someone that seems to be GOD LIKE all the answers...hes wrong why? If we cant live believe JESUS NOW! You never will then. Are DEMONS FALLEN ANGLES real? one can show up .. in a dream.. wonderful beautiful.. pure white.. talk about GOD this GOD that.. and you would KNOW its not of GOD? How? Forgive me..but DR BROWN leaves this out.. Just take JESUS not me not anyone else at HIS word. HE told you.. I go to make you a place.. so be ready NOW ..no pre no post ..just live for HIM in the moment you have.. be ready NOW..you will never miss HIM! FOLLOW MAN you will ANY MAN
To everyone arguing with their fellow brothers and sisters on this matter, please remember who our King is. Ask yourselves, does arguing about this proclaim the good news to unbelievers ? Does being pre trib or post trib determine if you are saved ??? No, by Christ we are saved with his Grace. So please keep it civil and remember we are brothers and sisters in Christ and we should show love to one another.
I encourage you to read 2 Thessalonians 2:6 where it speaks of the restrainer, and how the restrainer has to be taken out of the way before the revealing of the anti-christ. The restrainer is the Holy Spirit (and can also be the Church since Christ lives in our hearts) the church will not be here during the GREAT Tribulation, this is the time for the Jewish nation to finally receive Christ as their Messiah. This is why it is called "Jacob's Trouble" from the book of Daniel. We know Jacob was given a new name, ISRAEL .... this is for the Jewish nation. The entire focus is on Israel, that is why if you read in Matthew 24:24 concerning the Abomination of Desolation it refers to the land of JUDEA (JEWS), telling them when they see the abomination of desolation, "people of Judea flee from your rooftops... take nothing with you...and pray that it not be on the SABBATH (extremely important to the Jews not to break the Sabbath.) Why is the abomination of desolation so important? Because this has happened before in history, 167BC The king of Syria Sntiochus IV desecrate the temple by offering the sacrifice of a pig on an alter to Zues (The Abomination of Desolation) The Jews have a deeper understanding of this concerning the temple, and I believe this is why many Jews will come to the realization that this anti christ is not who they thought he was their messiah, and then they come to faith in Jesus. The 3rd temple must be rebuilt, if there is going to be an abomination of desolation happening. The 3rd temple is not important to Christians because we already know that the body of Believers is the temple and Jesus dwells in us, there is no need for a physical temple for Christians, but for the Jews, this is so important for them because they rejected the Messiah and believe the only way he can come is to have this temple rebuilt...So then we can understand why Matthew only addresses people of Judea and not the entire world. If you continue to read in 2Thess 2:6 til the end, you will also find that all of the unbelievers during this time will believe the lie that the anti christ brings forth because God himself will send them a strong delusion and non of them will be saved. They had the opportunity to come to him but never did because they preferred sin, so this strong delusion is sent to them that they will receive the anti-christ and I am assuming the mark of the beast. Please read for yourself do not take my word for it, I have been studying this subject for nearly 7 years and since diving into this extremely fascinating subject I feel like my understanding is growing more and more. :) Blessings Why there must be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church ruclips.net/video/8yBfHgx8d88/видео.html
@@rlb9808 if the Holy Spirit must be taken, how are there saints in the tribulation? There cant be a true saint unto God without having the Holy Spirit. Furthermore, the Holy Spirit will be here during the tribulation evidenced by the 2 witnesses. God is restraining the antichrist himself until his time. Its as simple as that. The Holy Spirit or the Chruch doesn't have to be gone. Its God who opens doors no man can shut and closes doors no man can open.
Although I respect peoples opinions in this matter, after all we are all brothers and sisters, but it seems there's a lot of dancing around scripture when it comes to this position, however I have wrestled with the pre-trib view as well and mid-trib creates more questions when tested against the scripture....after wrestling with all of these for some time now, and searching the scriptures and letting THEM speak for themselves I have come to the conclusion that none of these positions, based in scripture, are correct. In my opinion I believe God will call His church up between the 4th and 5th seal, given the emphasis on the 12,000 of the 12 tribes, in other words this will be Israel's time of redemption, the church will be gone.
One reason I always believed in the pre-trib rapture was the doctrine of imminency. One reason I believed in imminency is the parable of the ten virgins. They had to stay ready for the groom because they never knew when he would arrive. I'm now starting to see that a lot of what I believed was based on dispensational teaching from people like Chuck Missler, Scofield, Charles Ryrie ... etc. I'm not fully convinced in the post-trib view yet but I'm warming up to it. Thanks for this video.
Well when the rapture doesn't come like pre tribs expect, you'll know you are on the narrow path, follow the Bible, and check it to see it says what they are saying, the majority don't. God provides armour Ephesians 6:10-18 Satan the deceiver wants you to believe there is an escape ticket out of here. We all go through the tribulation. Welcome it for the gift of eternal life in happiness
Glad you are questioning Dispensationalism. The parable doesn't teach imminency. The coming of the Bridegroom is ANNOUNCED. It is not sudden and secret, without a warning, as in the Pretrib teaching. In fact, it teachers that a significant amount of time passes between the announcement and the coming, in that the foolish have time to ask the wise for oil, the wise to answer them, and the foolish to go out and buy. Where is the imminency? Both the wise and the foolish knew the Bridegroom would soon come. Also, the word imminent does not mean "sudden, without warning." It means "about to happen, just around the corner." The rapture is not "about to happen." Many have though that it was "about to happen" and were wrong. Jesus' coming is sudden and without warning, but it is not imminent. Another issue with Dispensationalism is the identity of the Bride. In Revelation, the bride is made up of twelve foundations with the names of the twelve apostles (all Israelites), AND twelve gates with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel (the 144,000). The Bride is not made ready until Rev 18, when "all Israel" is saved.
God was able to pour out His wrath on Egypt while protecting the Israelites. He is capable of pouring out His wrath on earth while covering His people today. He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
My issue with this video is that Chuck Missler did nearly 2 hours on this topic, outlining scripture after scripture, example after example, and Michael Brown is responding to a couple points, and everyone in the comment section seems to be celebrating it. Please look up Chuck Misslers rapture series for yourself, there are two parts. He outlines all scripture, very clearly explains it, and gives tons of examples of the scripture that supports pre trib throughout the entire Bible. It’s also important to understand the heart of our Lord. None of you know for sure what’s considered “the wrath”. People say “it’s the sixth seal”, but the thing is, you don’t know for sure.
They are in paradise,abrahams bosum.the final heaven comes after great throne judgement.research it,many passages in scripture say we do not sleep until He reappears.sleep,in scripture,is talking about someone who died.the Hebrew authors and customs of that time used word "sleep"instead of word "dead",they feared death and did not luke to say it.moses and elijah were seen speaking to Christ on the mt.they were wide awake,not roused out of their grave,made to look new again because they were just bones when Christ was alive.no,we go to the temporary heaven or the temporary hell(Hades,Sheol)when we die
3 heavens are i think.. sky, space, and actual heaven. " to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." i think, dead people pass thrpugh time, and are instantly in heaven and its also the end of the world.. but. bible does say, in Ezekiels vision? the holy people of heaven ask how long are you going to wait!?
@@cynthiaerickson3646 Paradise is were the tree of live is. There is no tree of live in the midst of the earth. Paradise is in the 3. Heaven. But the comma in the right place "I say to you today (now), you will be with me in paradise", that is a promise for the future.
My heart goes out for people who believe in post trib rapture when the scriptures clearly give us blessed hope! I hope and pray for the post trib folks that "let it be done unto you according to your faith" does not apply to them! First let's not confuse the ongoing persecution of the body of Christ with great tribulation cause these are 2 different things altogether. The post trib people claim they are ready or prepared to go through tribulation and blame that pre trib people have "westernized snow flake Christianity" and are not ready or prepared to go through tribulation. I say forget about being ready and prepared for tribulation, some people are not even ready for some of the persecutions Christians go through in some parts of the world. Those who think they are, you are more than welcome to go and preach in some Muslim majority countries, North Korea, China, etc. Lot and his family were rescued before God’s wrath was poured out on Sodom and Gomorrah and they were commanded not to even look at it while the wrath was being poured out! Same way, Noah and his family were saved from the flood and forget about them even getting wet with any flood waters, they were not even given any access to view what was going on outside and hence there were no windows in the ark. Technically, the ark was not on earth/land but was lifted up above all the destruction, in the air so to speak. The time of the great tribulation is called Jacob's trouble for a reason and not trouble of the church/bride! It's the time of purification of Israel so that they will believe in Jesus as their Messiah whom they pierced with the 2 witnesses (along with 144,000) preaching and glorifying Christ! God promises to supernaturally protect the nation of Israel while the wrath of God being poured out on the rebellious and blasphemous world. You will not find words like grace and mercy after Revelation chapter 3 when it all starts! During the great tribulation, the false prophet, the antichrist and the devil with his angels will be on earth (or cast out I should say) and the church/the bride will be with the Bridegroom and that's why Revelation 12:12 says, "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." Post trib folks picture the Lord Jesus Christ as someone who is saying to His (persecuted) bride/church "because you have suffered the persecution for my name's sake, I'm gonna make sure you stay on earth during the great tribulation (the time of outpouring of God's wrath) and that's your blessed hope!!!" About the rapture Lord Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour but if post trib folks want to apply that to the second coming, then guess what once the tribulation starts, everyone including the devil and his angels, false prophet and antichrist know that Jesus is coming after about 7 years!!
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment in a twinkling of an eye...., I have learn from many Masters being the #1 Jesus himself and Mr. Chuck Missler it’s right on 99.9% on everything He explained I leave 0.1 because He was Human. He is even though now with the Lord (He still is) the best teacher of his times.
Paul clearly said that we should not be deceived about the Coming of Jesus Christ, Paul said in regards to the Coming of Jesus Christ and Him gathering US together to Himself that we should not be deceived by what anyone says. Paul says that the Coming of Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to meet Jesus will NOT take place until the following happens FIRST. 1. The Apostasy 2. The Revealing of the Son of Perdition Then when those two things Clearly happen Jesus WILL Come and Gather us Together to Himself. 1. The Apostasy has NOT happened Yet! 2. The Son of Perdition has NOT been Revealed Yet! So the Rapture will NOT happen yet! Paul said Clearly that the Coming of Jesus Christ and The Resurrection of the Dead MUST happen before we will be Raptured together to Meet Jesus.
DANNY King I am a Child of God first I am a follower of Jesus second I am in Title to my own Opinion third On Earth Mr. Chuck Missler and Derek Prince have been my Bible teachers and for Psychology I like to learn from Dr. Jordan B Peterson of the three Gentlemen only Peterson is alive.
Rapture of Saints You have a new subscriber, I am open to hear from anyone with the passion for scripture similar to mine, I wish I would have more time to dedicate to study, but I am a Widow and I have to do the work meant for two all by myself. God Bless 🙏🙏🙏
@@alchemyseal9400. Are you into new age beliefs? Yeshua, Jesus Christ of Nazereth is not an ascended master or guru or consciousness or any type of universal spirit energy or consciousness. That is false. Now, dear woman, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but your feminist attitude is unbiblical and antiChrist in the Quest for Truth, so we need to humble ourselves and be corrected when we are Way Off Simple Foundational tenets of Biblical Truth. I humbly, with respect, am only trying to gently steer you towards the Truth as all men and women are not without mistakes or error from time to time and need correcting, including you, me and Chuck Missler. First of all, I too am a huge fan of Chuck, and he taught me many a thing as a young scholar, but on later review he has made several errors which he hasn't corrected himself of. I still am a fan and loved his entertaining teaching style and humour. And he is greatly missed and respected highly by those who agree or disagree with a few of his beliefs. So... Quickly, I'll tell you a few errors then get to the crux. 1 Chuck says the rendering in Daniel 2:43 gives the interpretation of ... they shall not cleave to and... mingling with the Seed... Is the right translation. He sadly does so to stretch this verse to the nephilim alien beliefs he has. I actually believe in that but this scripture does not support that, in the iron and clay metaphorical interpretation as the Hebrew, Latin and Greek have different meanings we can choose, so he is beung biased in his choice of meaning when we honestly objectively analyse the text and meaning without favourable bias. 2. Chuck makes the same mistake as above with his interpretation of scripture that he selects to favour the pre trib rapture view, as like many elderly ppl, they choose this view, As it's more comfortable and comforting to believe this than going through the great Tribulation, and I've looked at his argument objectively, without bias towards or against that view and conclude unequivocally that the rapture occurs at the second coming which is at the 6th seal 6th trumpet, pre Wrath of God, but post Wrath of satan, that is post trib. This is proven by revelation 12.v17-19, and Matthew 24. Supported by 2Thess2, Mark 21, Luke 13 and Micah 5v5. As well as many other places in Daniel 9.24,27, 11v32 and others. Christ Himself tells us we shall have to ensure, and be strong even unto death, but many will be saved in Sanctuaries God provides to hide us during Satan's antichrist Wrath... Rev 12, Rev 13. 3 Chuck worked closely with military and government whistle-blowers re aliens, DUMBs and other Nephilim related experiences in the USA and worldwide, re close encounters etc, but this has led him to believe in a unhealthy obsession with this area which has coloured his interpretation and views which has become too biased off kilter and influenced others to do the same, when the proof of such, is not concrete or significant enough to be believed as the proper belief. His idea of a nephilim return has influenced and fascinated most scholars today or challenged them, but on honest analytical review, we cannot agree with Chuck, as his methods were again, selective in choice of meaning of words, which support his alien nephilim view. 4 with great respect and Admiration we love Chuck and his amiable charismatic teachings and delivery but we must not allow entertainment value and charm influence our doctrine if there is error mistakes or honest lack of perspective in realising our own unconscious bias. Hence the need for vigilant scrutiny. This requires often tedious effort and time consuming honest testing, and self examination for being truly objective and free of unintentionally being biased towards our own existing beliefs and favourably held views and doctrines. This is a difficult thing to do. Be totally objective in our study and analysis, and be humble enough to be corrected, admit we were wrong, and learn from our mistakes. Pride blocks ppl from doing so. They then lead others astray who aren't as vigilant studious or conscientious in their scrutiny, for Accurate Truth. Therefore, I urge you to be aware of this, and the misinformation, disinformation, lies and propaganda out there, designed to make us the Body of Christ, look foolish, for believing in them. However I do believe the nephilim are returning through bloodlines, TRANSHUMANism, and maybe giants sealed up in the earth or fallen angels bound in the earth, because these are in scripture and not disputed or can be interpreted in other drastically different ways. Nevertheless, Chucks work is significant and he has certainly created interest in prophecy, nephilim and aliens, whom we know are demons, but we must be cautious not to seem foolish because we jump into beliefs without testing their validity accuracy and probability. Be blessed In Yeshua ha Meshiach. Shalom.
Hi, my husband and I know that Jesus is coming after the “tribulation of those days”. Jesus said so in Matthew 24. It is so clearly described by Jesus in that chapter. I don’t know why some people don’t see it. I think that they do not want to see it. But I rather have the Holy Spirit prepare my soul and body for tribulations times, than think that I will be getting out for the tribulation. Besides, there is a difference between the tribulation times and the wrath of God. The tribulation is brought about by the anti-Christ, not God. God has not appointed us to wrath. Yes, that’s what is going to happen at the end of the 7 years of tribulations. That’s what is called “the Day of the Lord”. We are not appointed to that wrath. Amen. Hallelujah. Thank You Jesus.
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (which prove the book is not in chronological order) Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. He comes with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1. (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels have already been bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The only way to properly interpret the book is through the principle of "Recapitulation".
@@gorin2911 Verse 12 below proves part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. In verse 11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. The Capital "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Ponder this, why did Jesus said in Matthew 24 and in revelations “he who endured until the end will be saved”. Saints, some will not endure and will give up because they never prepared for a long journey of tribulations. Blessings.
Great video Dr. Brown. Tribulation ≠ God's wrath; it's the great tribulation, rapture, and then God's wrath is poured out. The position is called pre-wrath. A man named Alan E. Kurschner has a lot of great content on it.
pre wrath i believe that is my position, as it makes the most sense considering the numerous references to the 'harpazo'. the restrainer passage in the scriptures tells me that we cannot be here for at least the great tribulation
I respect dr Brown but I think he misses key points. 1)the horrific events mankind will experience in end time wrath..it's too incredulous to think that somehow the church will just pass thru this gauntlet of supernatural, natural and man-made events and be totally unscathed...Well, that would not be going thru tribulation then? So which is it? 2) The angel in tribulation comes bearing a NEW GOSPEL. One which needs works as well as faith so Paul said this person (angel) would be ACCURSED! So it is not possible that both the church AND then remnant of Israel exist side by side at this time! And what time is it?? Clearly, it is the time of JACOB's Trial...ISRAEL!! And ONLY Israel.
Question 1 Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. 3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. 4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. 5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; 6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. 7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. 8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. 9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; 10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. 11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. 12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. 13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. 14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. 15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. 16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my yeshua Question 2 there is no separation between Jew and gentile believer in Yeshua. The two are made one man with the dividing wall being destroyed. We are grafted into the olive tree of Israel becoming Israelites and heirs according to the promise. So anything they go through we go through it with them.
@@kingdomtimes361 you are forgetting that Israel is currently blind and not grafted in. They are not apart of the Church. They are currently counted as unbelievers until God turns His focus back to them during Jacobs trouble. “Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” Romans 11:20-23 KJV
God said we we believers in Christ..the church, would not suffer under Gods wrath....in context, Noah survived Gods wrath, Lot survived Sodom Gomorrah...Gods wrath etc. There is also Tribulation vs. The Great Tribulation- anti-Christs vs. AntiChrist- Gods Wrath vs Satans Wrath...these people here never mention these verses...only Revelation. hmmm
@@chungusultimate When God starts breaking seals thats when it starts! If God does something to cause the wrath its...... Gods wrath. the antichrist will abuse the ones who resist him so why would those who have already put their faith in God be subject to that wrath that God releases? from my study we will have a rapture and it will be when the first seal is broken. The believers left on the earth is the 144,000 jews. You can believe what you want, but from own personal study we will not be here with the rule of the antichrist.
With all respect to Missler (more learned than I will probably be), it shows you that no one has all their doctrines perfectly in a row. One can be a great teacher in certain areas but not have the correct idea in others. That's why we need the whole body for the whole counsel.
I don’t think anyone can truly understand the pre-trib rapture until they understand the Jews restoration which will occur during the Time of Jacobs Trouble. Our salvation was already complete when we personally accepted Christ into our hearts. There’s no reason for us to endure unto the end alongside with the Jewish remnant who hasn’t yet been restored. The saved, prior to the Time of Jacobs Trouble will be removed and the remnant of Jews that follow Christ will be “hid” in the day of trouble. If we’re saved, our salvation is complete and enduring unto the end would mean we’re trusting in a works based salvation.
Which coming? His thief in the night coming or every eye shall behold him coming with his saints? As it was in the days of Noah, enoch was raptured and then Noah goes through the tribulation. In the days of Lot, Abraham first meets Jehovah as a man, and then Lot goes through the tribulation. In Joseph, his wife is in the throne room, then he saves his brothers through the tribulation. Etc etc etc
Well said. The OT types are one of the reasons I continue to lean pretrib. Another one Chuck would mention: Daniel was "out of town" while his friends were protected in the flames.
@@jaredpetersen277 12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. 13 And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. 14 For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. 15 (“Behold, I am coming like a thief!. Doesnt sound like the pre trib to me
@@Lodium1 so why do you see coming as a thief for the great battle? The vile angel if you read further speaks to john and says "They will make war with the Lamb, but the Lamb will conquer them, because he is Lord of Lords and King of kings, and those accompanying the Lamb are the called, chosen, and faithful.” Now how does he come with his called, chosen and faithful to make war with the kings of the earth if he us coming to fetch them, unless he already came as a thief before all this fighting started. I will give another verse for the same happening. The armies that are in heaven, dressed in white, clean, fine linen, were following him on white horses. Revelation 19:14 This happens right after Let us rejoice and exult and give him glory, because the wedding celebration of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. She was permitted to be dressed in bright, clean, fine linen” (for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints). So again we have a marraige of the bride, then he comes down with said bride to battle. Now when did he fetch his bride if the tribulation is happening when he comes with his bride?
Only the bride of Christ will not go through wrath, and will be raptured, pre tribulation. The rest will have to undergone wrath. Simple as that. Dr Chuck Missler is referring to the bride's of Christ
Scripture says we (the Church) are NOT appointed to Wrath and ALL 7 yr's of the tribulation is Gods wrath ,the first 3 1/2 he's dealing indirectly with mankind by using the Anti Christ but the second 3 1/2 yr's God is dealing with Mankind directly
Dr. Brown, I love you Brother! Thank you for your work and for sharing your passion and learning with us. I read Matthew 24:29-5 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:1 2 Thessalonians 1:5-2:17 1 Corinthians 15:12-58 and it became very clear to me. And then I spent a couple days researching and praying because I'm very conservative about changing my beliefs in what the Bible is saying, however this is very clear and I want to thank you because you have personally been a huge help to me these last couple days. Thank you so much. Chuck Missler is one of my top favorite teachers, however on this issue I think you're right and he's wrong, actually I was amazed that all of his bullet points are basically totally false. I don't see how he thinks any of those things. But I cherish him though. And I love and am very thankful for your help as well. God bless your ministry abundantly. ❤️🌿
After listening to your rebuttal I'm more of a pre-tribber than before. Either all believers are raptured or not. If so then by definition anyone left behind is NOT saved and will be judged accordingly when Yeshua returbs to Earth... And no mortals left to repopulate the Earth. Good video though, Brother in Christ!
Dr Brown's lame reason about the mortals that repopulate the Kingdom will be the people that "Do Not" attack Israel at the Battle of Armageddon > BUT he avoids stating if they are "Born Again" or not? And in John Chp 3 verse 3 Jesus clearly states that No One will enter the Kingdom of God except they are "Born Again" Spiritually > So if we get a post trib rapture at same time as 2nd coming there are no mortals left to repopulate the Kingdom!!! NO ONE will change my mind from believing a PRE- Tribulation Rapture!!!
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
I dearly love Dr. Chuck missler. And I greatly respect Dr. Brown. But, I'm still tilting towards pre trib as all types and shadows in the OT is towards pre trib. Lot and judegemt of Sodom Tamar and Judah in I think Gen 38, Moses and his time in Midian in exodus 2& 3. Can post the file to whoever is interested
I’m not yet conclusive, but am tilting towards Pre after reading both sides of the research on how they arrive at the interpretation. I thought of Noah and Lot as types. I also know the heart of God (the main reason why I tilt towards Pre). But Nebuchadnezzar and Daniel’s 3 friends. They were thrown into the fire. (but escaped without even the smell of smoke) Nebuchadnezzar is a type of Anti-Christ. They make you worship the image. All who don’t are thrown into the fire. This is something I wonder about post-Trib. One thing for sure, God has a plan for His people.
Agreed-he takes a small clip of Chuck upon the many hours of teachings Chuck has and then give himself more time to talk and do defend his side. So low!! I just came across his video looking for Chuck but I won’t waste my time here on his channel.
@@davidhall2197 What does cancel culture have to do with this video? I have the right in this comment section to voice my opinion. This man clearly took a minuscule clip from a deceased man who has hundred upon hundreds of hours of teachings....to prove his point and is not here to make a rebuttal. And I want others to be informed-is that so wrong?? Good day & many blessings to you my friend.
@@artifacthunter1472 Please give me the exact reference to "last day" in the Bible. The "last days" are referenced, but that is an epoch or season, not a particular day. Also, you can repeat a term like a broken record if you like - it doesn't prove any position wrong.
Brothers and Sisters in Christ, We are family. One family in Christ. Brothers Chuck and Michael are in this same family of ours, all in Christ Jesus. We should never forget that, and ever be mindful of it when we make a post for others to read on the Internet. I love ALL members of my family. Brother Chuck did a wonderful service for Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ during his years on this earth, as did his dear wife, Nancy. They were fantastic people who gave their lives to serving Our Lord. Brother Michael and his wife, also Nancy, have done precisely the same, and we should be able to respect both of these families for all they've done for us. I pray that God bless all them richly in the afterlife! I know that I can't repay either for all they've given me in teaching, for which I will be forever grateful. Having said that, I don't necessarily agree with either one on every point. I don't need to do that, and when I don't agree with either it doesn't change one bit my love and respect for them. We are all unique individuals and our thoughts are never going to be same on every detail of Scripture. But never should we make negative remarks about our own family simply because we disagree on an issue - a non-salvific issue at that. The whole world can read our posts. It was my opinion that Brother Michael did a fantastic job in his opening remarks giving great respect to Brother Chuck. I've seen remarks here about this being done to a man who is dead and can't defend himself. True, and Dr. Brown took that into consideration. There are some other remarks stating that Dr. Brown should have debated Dr. Missler. Well, that would never have happened anyway because Dr. Missler refused to debate anyone, as those of us who were part of his audience can attest. He believed nothing good ever came from them and that they never really changed anyone's mind anyway. For those of us who “knew” him, I think it's safe to say that he would have said, “We are all one body. It's not a salvation issue, and Dr. Brown is my brother in the Lord, so what good could come of debating a fellow brother?” Then, he would have told a joke, laughed, and sincerely blessed Dr. Brown and family, and that would have been that. End of story. I very, very much love and respect both Brother Michael and Brother Chuck! But let's please, please be careful with our wording because Chuck would never have wanted anyone to ever defend him with negative words towards his fellow brother in Christ Jesus. Please be careful and please honor his memory the way he would have wanted it honored: With agape.
Amen! You beautifully articulated how I understand the Bible as I've been studying it. I attend a church that teaches pre-trib rapture but I don't believe that teaching is correct. Thank you!!
We are going to meet Him in the air...not...on the Mt. of Olives. "We who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught UP in the clouds to meet the Lord in the AIR." How do you explain away this verse? The doctrine of Imminency is woven throughout the NT Scriptures. The early Believers were looking for Jesus to return in their lifetime. The return of Jesus is my Blessed Hope...Post Triber's are constantly trying to get those of us resting, waiting, and watching to lay aside OUR BLESSED HOPE!
Firstly, I would like to say that one should not levy false accusations, especially one as severe as saying that post-tribbers are trying to lull others into resting and laying aside the blessed hope. On to your main question: He actually addressed this verse directly in the video. He did not say that we met Christ on the Mount of Olives. He stated that we meet Him in the air and we descend with Him to the mount of Olives. Your emphasis in that passage is placed on the wrong words. If you do a word study on the word "meet" in the 1Thess4 passage, you find that it is the Greek word "apentesis" which is only used in two other instances in scripture. Both of those times it is used to describe a group leaving where they are to meet someone and then going with them to their destination. One occasion is in Matthew 25 when the virgins go out to meet (apentesis) the bridegroom and go with Him into the wedding feast. The only other occasion is in Acts 28, verses fourteen through sixteen, when Luke and Paul are traveling to Rome. The brethren within Rome go as far as the Appi forum and the three taverns (about 40 miles away) to meet (apentesis) Paul and Luke, and it isn't until verse 16 that they enter Rome. Again, this word always relates to going out to meet someone and then traveling with them to their destination. So, yes, we go "UP in the clouds to meet the Lord in the AIR"; then we descend with Him to the mount of Olives. Another key point of emphasis is on the word "coming". It is the Greek word "parousia" and refers to an arrival, specifically frome one place to another. In context, this even occurs when Christ comes from Heaven to Earth. I want to encourage you to delve deeper into your scriptural studies. It should not be enough to have biblically-based teaching; we should strive to have biblically sound teaching. I thank you for your time. Farewell.
@@dustinfordham4007 Respectfully, I did not levy any false accusations toward anyone. "I'd like to encourage you to delve deeper into your spiritual studies"...Why? Why did you feel the need to tell me this? There is no need to paint yourself as superior because I don't agree with the post-trib point of view. You have no clue as to my Bible background. You don't know anything about me, nor the years I spent putting myself through Bible College. Nor, do you know the countless hours I've spent pouring over my Bible...as a student, and...yes, as a teacher. So, before you encourage me to delve deeper and not yield to biblically-based teaching but strive to have biblically sound teaching...let me encourage you not to make blanket statements without knowing what you're talking about.
@@victoriankathy With all due respect, you said (and I quote), "Post Triber's are constantly trying to get those of us resting, waiting, and watching to lay aside OUR BLESSED HOPE!". This is a false accusation and, as previously mentioned, a fairly severe one. The fact is that people who hold to a post-tribulational view (generally speaking) simply want people to be aware that they may suffer for Christ, and that they should at the very least be prepared to do so. Also, I in no way intend to present myself as superior by any means. In as much as you assert that I don't know about you, so you also do not know me; and the fact is that I encourage everyone to delve deeper into their scriptural (not spiritual [I tend not to use that word often as it has many non-biblical connotations]) studies. That was in no way that directed as a slight toward you. It was exactly what I wrote it to be, an encouragement. I simply saw the question you raised, pointed out that it was already addressed in the video, and provided supplemental details which I do sincerely hope you will consider and look further into. I also hope you will look into the origins of the doctrine. As for striving for biblically sound teaching, I stand by that comment. It should never be the goal of the believer to have scripture on their side, but rather to be on the side of scripture. This is a true statement, regardless of one's background or doctrinal leanings. Thank you again for your time. Farewell.
@@dustinfordham4007 ...My point being...please don't infer that we who believe in a Pre-Trib rapture do not study or "delve" into the Scripture. This is a ludicrous conjecture. I believe without even trying, you have clearly substantiated my point! Pre-Trib. people are happy people...we are resting, waiting, and watching for our Blessed Hope! Brother Dustin...I love you and I will meet you in the air!
"Post Triber's are constantly trying to get those of us resting, waiting, and watching to lay aside OUR BLESSED HOPE!" Sure looks (and sounds when I speak the words aloud) like an accusation to me. Oh... and you spelled "Tribbers" with only one letter b. I believe that is also incorrect. :-)
You explained at the end why "bring them with Him" doesn't require the belief that the dead are in heaven but are in the graves awaiting the resurrection. I am also so glad that you explained the ekklesia as you did. People are so confused on that matter.
I learned much from Dr. Chuck Missler. However, he was a diehard promoter of John Nelson Darby's Two Peoples of God doctrine. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:18-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. Watch the RUclips videos "The New Covenant" by Bob George, and "New Covenant Theology Made Simple" by David H.J. Gay.
I’d just like to say God Bless you and I appreciate videos like this...anything that keeps people talking about Jesus and reminding people of his love and what he did for us!! With that said...I would have much preferred you done this video while Dr Missler was with us...I’ve watched him in interviews and he goes much deeper than he did on that video clip you used. So I hope people read their bibles open their hearts and allow our helper and comforter to lead us!! He is coming...if not already here...we all should be looking up and praying and talking to lead more to him!!! God Bless
The tribulation is when christians will be killed: Revelation 6: 9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. The wrath of God comes immediately after the tribulation and is directed at NON Christians: Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
I grew up pre-trib and went to a lot of Missler's teaching sessions, but even as a child it didn't sit right with me about what pre-trib theory taught. However I presumed that I was young and didn't understand the Bible all that well and so I trusted the teachers that I learned from. However as an adult and I continued reading the Bible for myself and expanded my knowledge, I kept finding issues with pre-trib theory to the point that I needed to abandon it. I really cannot find a single passage in the Bible which supports it. The best is Revelation 3:10, but this promise is given to just one church. Even if we say that the promise goes out to all churches and that these 7 churches were picked to serve as types of churches throughout all of history, we still have to ask, will only one type of church be raptured? Even though other churches in Revelation 2 and 3 are chastized, they are told that there are still some among them to be commended and told to persevere. Will they be excluded from the rapture? I don't think so. The hour of trial spoken of here that is coming upon the whole world should be compared with other scripture to conclude what it is. Even if it's a promise to be raptured, which is not directly promised, just protection from the hour of trial through "some" method, we still see that this protection seems to apply to protection from the Day of the Lord. I would look at Luke 21:34-36 where there is mention of the day which arrives like a snare and how there is an escape for those found worthy. But verse 35 mentions that this snare is coming "upon the whole world." It has identical language as Revelation 3:10. There is an hour of trial or snare which is coming upon the whole world. Revelation 14:7 also talks about the "hour of judgment" which is coming. It likewise would be coming in conjunction with the arrival of the Son of Man in the clouds which we see just a few verses later in Revelation 14:14. This harvest performed by the Son of Man here obviously matches up well with Matthew 24:30-31, Luke 21:25-28, and Mark 13:24-27. This would be the "escape" which corresponds with the gathering of the elect and the "rest" which is promised in 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10 when Jesus is revealed from heaven with mighty angels in flaming fire to take vengeance. It's important to note that 2nd Thessalonians is written to church age gentile Thessalonians and not Jews or tribulation saints as some would say are the ones that these promises and warnings are given to. I've heard so many times that Matthew 24 is written to just Jews and tribulation saints who come to faith after the pre-trib rapture has taken place. But then does Paul not think that these Thessalonians he's writing to here will take part in that pre-trib rapture? Why is he telling them that they will not receive their rest until the Day of the Lord when Jesus is revealed from heaven in flaming fire with vengeance?
The Gospels are written to JEWS and their future and not the Church. The church and the rapture were unknown at that time. The Mystery of the rapture was revealed to us by PAUL after the ascension of Jesus. Dr. Brown is taking Scripture out of context as to whom it is addressed.
Yes! And apparently not doing as commanded by 2 Timothy 2:15. Mr. Brown also says that Dispensationalists are wrong, BUT, here it is in scripture- “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth-in Him.” Ephesians 1:10 “if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,” Ephesians 3:2 People not studying scripture as they’re commanded and handling it haphazardly, twisting, perverting it. Dr. Brown, “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” II Timothy 2:15 RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH!
@@daughterofaking7004 There seem to be a huge topic of the 3 days of darkness on the Internet. Can you give me any thoughts on how to disprove this new teaching. We are of the light. We look forward to Jesus' being caught up and not 3 days of darkness. Comparing darkness and rapture seems to me to be wrong.
If anyone looked objectively they would see that Pre-trib has assumptions not in scripture, changes the order of events, and nulifies the scripure. Post-trib is mostly comparing actual scripture with scripture in harmony and the order of events stays true with no contradictions.
I wish Dr Chuck Missler was here to debate with Dr Michael Brown. I love and respect both men plus I believe it would have been an awesome debate. There's more to the video that Dr. Brown was responding to.
As someone who's learned from both, let me just say this isn't Chuck vs Mike it's about which view is correct, and having said this Mike's view definitely align with scripture much better. Also scripture tells us Christ will have only two comings not 3.
Best OT picture is Israel’s exodus from Egypt. God covered Israel through the tribulations brought upon Egypt. The Lord the brought Israel out only AFTER Passover. We, who remain faithful, will be brought out after all these birth pangs come to pass. I believe many will fall away from the faith because of the tribulations to come.
The Lion and his lamb are there not nations, tribes, peoples and tongues, dead in Christ now? If the rapture is pre-trib, this is the only event not echoed in the Old Testament.
The Lion and his lamb , however, “the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not a God of the dead, but of the living.” Are we yet not understanding the scripture nor the power of God? Clearly, is not as clearly as you think. Dead to us is not, nor ever has been, dead to God.
Then how was an “non-resurrected” rich man talking to God about an non-resurrected Lazarus resting with a non-resurrected Abraham concerning living relatives? It doesn’t appear we have the puzzle pieces quite together yet. If we are gone before the tribulations, Glory to God! Still, what have tribulations been for in the past but to bring repentance? If the church is gone, how are the wheat and the weeds harvested together? Bless you brother, I want to be prepared for either scenario.
The Lion and his lamb So, how do you explain this away? Clearly! Especially Vs 5. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Both sides have good arguments. My one question for post trib would be, who would be left if Christ arrives then? The few who barely survived by running and hiding
The bible says that humans will survive Gentiles and Jews, so do not worry, the Lord is in charge and it will be so, has nothing to do with the Rapture of Post-trib.
Hey friends! Thanks so much for your interest in this subject and, for the most part, for expressing your differences in a respectful way. (Unfortunately, on both sides of the issues, some are too zealous and act divisively, but thankfully, that is the minority.) I did, however, want to address something that's come up in the comments section a few times, namely, why didn't I address Dr. Missler when he was alive? First, to be perfectly candid, I had read some of his work in the past but never saw any of his videos until now, nor did anyone ever ask me to address his teachings on this while he was alive. Second, someone posted this clip on our channel here, suggesting that he raised some good objections to a post-trib rapture, and, since I knew he was a highly respected teacher, I thought he would represent the pre-trib viewpoint well. And so, out of respect for him, I thought this would be a good clip to respond to. Third, because he made his arguments concisely, I made mine concisely, wanting to be fair. I fully understand he could have expanded on each point at length, and obviously, I just co-authored a whole book responding to arguments like this. Fourth, I would be absolutely delighted to have a full-length, moderated, mutually respectful debate with a top pre-trib teacher or scholar. With joy! I live for moments like that and, had Dr. Missler been alive today, I would have been delighted to do the same with him. We'll let you know when such a debate takes place, and for now, we strongly encourage you to get into the contents of our book with an open heart and mind. You might be surprised by what you discover. God bless, and again, I honor and respect those who come to different conclusions based on their prayerful study of the Word. We remain one in Jesus!
Pretty bummed you did this man very poor taste
I love watching your videos Dr. Brown so informative and biblical. I am a pre- triber, and would love to see a discussion between you, Jack Hibbs, Amir Tsarfati (Behold Israel)i, JD Farag ... all of these are pre-trib teachers with their own RUclips channels and I listen to them frequently regarding end times bible prophecy. Amir just did a very interesting video on the Millenial Kingdom and they have all taught very in depth on the rapture of the church. It is wishful thinking on my end but I'll think it would make for an incredible discussion, absolutely brilliant minds all around. God bless! 🙂
Agree totally. I learned a ton from Missler over the years and am grateful for his teachings. However, as one who does not adhere to a "once saved always saved" theology, I was really let down by Dr. Missler when he called us heretics. It was very late in his life and I hope he wasn't serious.
I also wanted to add the reason why I am pre-trib. For me one of the most significant scripture that I have found is concerning the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians:
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
II Thessalonians 2:5-12 NKJV
My understanding is the restrainer is the Holy Spirit keeping the anti christ from being revealed and according to this verse the restrainer must be taken out of the way for the lawless one to be revealed. The Holy Spirit lives inside Christians so it would make sense that we could no longer be here during this time.
B. I also understand that people who had the opportunity to become Christian's prior to the anti christ coming but rejected the gospel will not be able to receive salvation during the time of the antichrist or tribulation because they did not love the truth and for this cause God sends a strong delusion that they would believe the lie (wonders and signs he performs) that all will be condemned.
I cannot imagine why Christian's must go through the Great Tribulation, we are the bride of Christ and we have been faithful. I think we still go through tribulations in this world but I believe at the tribulation period it will be for Israel, the Jewish nation to finally accept Christ as their Messiah, this is for them, the church will not be here.
I think that is why the verses in Matthew are so important:
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel-let the reader understand- 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak.19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-and never to be equaled again.
What I ask myself is who is this referencing?
1. who is concerned about the Holy temple? The Jews, as Christian's we are the temple of God.
2. How could we see the abomination of desolation in the holy place...to me this indicates technology as only specific people are allowed to enter the temple let those who are in Judea (Jews are in Judea) this seems like it will be an event that is broadcasted while people are literally on their rooftops entertaining.
3. Who would come down from their roof tops? The Jews in Israel most often utilize their rooftops for living quarters.
4. Pray your flight is not on the sabbath... who would be mostly concerned about the sabbath.. the Jews, as Christian's we understand Saturday to be the Sabbath but Sunday is the Lord's day in which Christ was resurrected.
For me it is as clear aa day, of course there is so much more that I could go into but these particular scriptures fascinated me the mos. , It doesn't seem like the church will be here during this time.
I am not a theologian, I have never taken bible classes so in n no way am I trying to educate anyone, this is my plain understanding from what I have read 🙂 blessings!
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@@rlb9808 ....i agree with you 100% and listen to the same preachers myself. Dr. Brown didnt answer the population of the millennium kingdom very well in my opinion according to scripture. Jesus said in Matt 13 of the wheat and tares, that when He comes the angels with gather all that offend/tares and cast them into the fire. The wheat will go into the kingdom.
"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."
Matthew 13:41-43 KJV
So if everyone who has the Mark of the Beast when Jesus returns gets cast into fire, then according to Dr. Brown the rest get "raptured/glorified bodies", .........then who can populate the millennium???
Glorified saints wont repopulate according to Jesus in Matt 22:30, we will be as angels.
"For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
Matthew 22:30 KJV
Also.....how can Born Again believers that are SEALED with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, take the Mark of the Beast and be damned forever?!! No way!!!!
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."
Ephesians 4:30 KJV
I would rather prepare for the great tribulation & be surprised by the rapture, rather than, being prepared for the rapture & being surprised by the great tribulation.
You hit the nail on the head bro
It is clear that that we have to endure until the END! The Tribulation is NOT the end! Even the plagues that fall AFTER the Tribulation isn't the End! First, the sun will be darkened, then the moon will be darkened, then the stars will fall from heaven, then the powers of heaven shall be shaken! Then comes Christ! That's STILL NOT the end! When he comes, we shall see the reward of the wicked (i.e. their death), and then the resurrection of the righteous...
Then at the very end, we shall be raptured!
Ray me too!! I'm not saying ones right or wrong but instead preparing for the latter and not putting a my eggs in the protein basket. I'm trusting that no matter what God will give me the strength to face post if it's the true meaning. But have to say all my life I was taught pre trib theory but it never closed all the loopholes and fit perfectly but the post trib does. I'm reading the Not afraid of the antichrist now. I think it's important to study all views with the word yourself keeping an open mind as you do. Because ultimately you want to be able to tell someone who doesnt agree why you believe or dont. It's like being able to speak with confidence why you believe in God. I think it's important to prepare yourself for post trib to not be caught off guard. I dont believe God will take as a lack of faith but one of preparation and alertness as he has called us to be. If the pre trib rapture happens awesome. But Dr Brown pretty much knocks it out of the park for me. I've begun researching and studying and comparing what I've always been taught so that I can say I believe because I know not because that's the way I was brought up. This involves even challenging what my Dad and my Grandfather who was a preacher taught. It just seems to be a smart and a cautious and responsible way to follow God.
@@robertanoble6433 if it is so clear, then why is there disagreement? Only the most liberal scholars debate the resurrection, virgin birth or miracles. The fact there is so much in the way of disagreement is because at least one side is either misreading the text or reading their own doctrine into the texts rather than letting the texts speak for themselves.
@@jamesdaniel1376 The Bible calls it great delusion to fall upon the whole Earth. "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
Matthew 24:24 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/mat.24.24.KJV
Odd, our comment doesn't seem to appear any more. In short. Chuck would have said the same thing he always said. If you believe a word he says without finding out what the Bible really says, you flunk the course. He never asked people to defend his position. Only to look towards scripture for authority.
My thoughts exactly!-
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The best videos I've found, in over 2000 hours of research.
While keeping the list short ( i aimed for 10, but had to go to 15)
*17 Big Reasons for God
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Does the Bible (Job 40) Describe a Sauropod Dinosaur (Behemoth)?(20:40)
Genesis Apologetics - Published on Sep 18, 2017
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✡ Believe in God in 5 Minutes (Scientific Proof) (5:27)
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The Fossil Record: Proof of Noah's Flood or Evolution (16:00) Genesis Apologetics - Mar 20, 2018
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Archaeological Evidence that Proves the Bible is True (1:20:52)Planet Zion - Jun 24, 2014
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2017SEP10 - Why We Know Christianity is True - J Warner Wallace (55:23)(Canon)
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Cold-case homicide detective J. Warner Wallace - DNA Information Code (10:01)LoveYourNeighbour - Published on Sep 5, 2017
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Noah's Ark - Chuck Missler : Koinonia House (8:27)
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Why i believe in a young earth by ex-evolutionist Dr.Grady McMurtry Part 1 (21:42)[+ part 2,3,4]
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What Are The Odds Statistically: Jesus/Prophecy (1 of 3) Chuck Missler (10:00)
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Human Chimp DNA Similarity (7:37)Genesis Apologetics - Jun 1, 2017
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"Evidence for a Spiritual View of the "Alien" Phenomenon:"Why do many Christians think the alien phenomena is demonic?" © 2009 Guy Malone,
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Debate 19 Kent Hovind Vs. Three Evolutionists : Kent Hovind (2:21:24)
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Birds Did Not Evolve from Dinosaurs, Say Evolutionists -Stunning New Research Overturns Widely Held Evolutionary Idea - by A. Peter Galling on June 12, 2009 (ARTICLE)
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(18) I dont have enough faith to be an atheist (1:38:31) Frank Turec
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Jesus himself said and taught his followers...
John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of All that he has given me, but raise it up on the LAST DAY.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that EVERYONE who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the LAST DAY.”
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the LAST DAY.
John 6:54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the LAST DAY.
Even first-century Christians knew that the resurrection/rapture was on the LAST DAY,...
John 11:21-25 Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother(Lazarus) would not have died.
22 But even now I know that whatever you ask from God, God will give you.”
23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the LAST DAY.”
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,…
@@davehammond9796 A lot of people are receiving this revelation atm.
I believe Chuck’s word! And it is how Paul would have wanted us believers to understand it!
I learned so much from Dr. Missler, I miss him
Amen my Sister
Amen
tx-sweet-p JG - We miss seeing you on Kathy’s livestream. Hope you stop by sometime. ☺️
I love how Chuck essentially said, Jesus woos his bride, marries her the beats her up in the tribulation then takes her out to supper! So true!
True, he was the one that really led me to Christ after many years of research
I do not put my faith in rapture. My faith is in Jesus. Whenever he comes is the right time. If we live through tribulation, God will sustain us like He did the Israelites in the desert.
Yes Correct...! Resurrection comes first then rapture
Trust in Him, no matter what may:
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
The 70th week of Daniel is called The Time Of Jacobs Trouble for a reason. All the weeks of Daniel is in relation to Israel and not the Church. Chuck Missler is correct.
Israel and the church are one. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.
Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy was completely fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago with Jesus' first advent. Daniel told us what the prophecy was for and it was competed. If Jesus did not fulfill it already, then we are yet dead in our sins.
Dan 9:24 "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.
Jesus did ALL of that. Furthermore, there is a problem with presupposing a "gap" in the 70 week, it was never stated that there is a gap! And what's more, it declares Messiah is cut off, not son of perdition. Dan 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off..." There is only one Messiah and that is Jesus Christ, or Yeshua Ha Mashiach.
@@TheTurtlee1 We are in the period now where both Jews and Gentiles are part of the Church... but currently as a nation Israel is blinded.
Luke 19:42
Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
This blindness will happen until the fullness of the Gentiles is complete:
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Once this time period is complete we will then see Daniel 9:27 come into play. In v26 we see the Messiah being cut off(crucified) and then the "p"rince in the last part of the verse is the antichrist. When Christ was still on the earth he mentioned this event that would accur in the future.
Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Clearly Jesus was speaking of Daniel 9:27
Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
And Paul talks about this:
2 Thes 2:3-4
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Then also read Rev 13 for the fullfillment.
@Cave_4 :YOU - Israel as a nation IS NOT IN THE CHURCH. They are distinct.
ME - That's the truest statement you made. Furthermore, Jesus is not coming back to save the nation state of Israel. He is coming back to redeem the promise of Abraham, which IS Israel proper and includes the "church", which is not some mystical entity separate from the plan of salvation.
Jesus IS Israel. Everyone else is attached to Him, not some nation state set up by the prevailing world government.
Joh 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
Rom 11:16 If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too.
Rom 11:17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
Rom 11:19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."
Rom 11:20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
Rom 11:21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
First, the tribulation is not the day of the Lord, that happens and then ends, before the sign in the heavens and then the day of the Lord happens, after that. How can the tribulation be the wrath of God, if Jacob is saved out of it? ) Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.( Secondly, it is not all about Jacob’s trouble, as they falsely lead you astray, for Lord Jesus, tells us why, in context and tribulation is about Christians. I hope these people repent, of falling under this delusion, the mystery of iniquity, before it is too late. ) Act 4:12 Neither is there SALVATION in any other: for there is none other NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we MUST BE saved. Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men FOR MY NAME’S SAKE: but he that endureth to the end SHALL BE saved. Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be AFFLICTED, and shall KILL YOU: and ye shall be hated of all nations FOR MY NAME’S SAKE. Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men FOR MY NAME’S SAKE: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same SHALL BE saved. Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and PERSECUTE you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers FOR MY NAME’S SAKE. Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you FOR A TESTIMONY. Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have CHOSEN you out of the world, therefore the world HATETH you. Jhn 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have PERSECUTED ME, THEY WILL ALSO persecute YOU; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. Jhn 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you FOR MY NAME’S SAKE, BECAUSE THEY know not him that sent me. Jhn 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, BECAUSE THEY have not known the Father, nor me. Jhn 16:33 THESE THINGS I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have TRIBULATION: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Jacobs trouble in holy scripture is only one day! And is not Daniels 70th week that man made timelines and dispensationslism has created a fake injected fairytale FACT!
There are Christians dying for their faith today and will die during the tribulation.Whilst God is always with us we are not immune from trouble.
"God's wrath" is a bit more than "trouble" and the problems we face today. We have the restraining hand of the Holy Spirit that will not be present during God's wrath. When the Holy Spirit goes, the Church goes.
The HS does not go because the HS is omnipresent. The function of the HS will change.The Church who was once empowered by the HS has gone up. Things will be different on earth.The age of Grace is over and God will revert to punishment as in the OT times.
@@Anthony-ix3rp John 14:26 is the promise of the Holy Spirit to come and 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 is the Holy Spirit leaving.
How can the HS leave when God turns His attention to the Jews in Israel ?They would have returned from around the world as promised by God. God will deal with them and some will be saved.The HS cannot leave.His function will be different.There is no church after the rapture.However the Jews will be reached as they forsook Jesus when He came the first time. This time they will mourn for Jesus.The HS will convict of sin, r and judgement.The HS will be here.@@cba4389
Not bad, but I'll stick with Chuck for now. Ultimately God wins, Christ rules, and His saints will live with Him forever. Praise the Lord.
Post the links to the videos....
Make sure not to be part of the falling away, and not enduring to the end.
I love Chuck took His classes at koinonia institute, taught from his revelation commentary my first time through Revelation Bible Study, but he’s wrong on this one. It was through careful study and prayer looking at the Word along side Chuck’s commentary that convinced me its post-trib. Listen to His Matthew commentary and watch Him skip past Matthew 24:31 without a word of commentary about it. Love Chuck and I know He’s with the Lord but he missed on this one.
@@thebridechurch9478 Disagreement is what makes for a horse race. I still stick with Chuck. Ultimately it is a minor issue. I listened to Dr. Brown and he did not move me but as I said it is a peripheral issue. Jesus is God and he paid the price for my sin. That is the important part. If I don't see you in the air I'll see you in Heaven, or perhaps the New Jerusalem. :)
@@ervinsims2062 do you think seeing it as only a minor issue can leak into other bible truth or error issues...more so for immature Christians..
Please all you saints, just prepare yourselves and pray that you will be found worthy to be called to participate to the marriage supper of the Lamb! So please make yourself ready to be granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright for his coming. It is good to have an idea about the timing, but it is more important that you would be able to overcome and be found faithful till the end whenever it might be!
You are all beautiful to Him. Love one another!
The fact that Jesus ANSWERED the question about the signs of his coming and the end, means there are signs. It won't be a totally unexpected "season." The day/hour may not be known, but the general time certainly will, or Jesus would have answer their question about "the end of the age" with: You'll be surprised. YOu won't know. It will be unexpected. No, it's unexpected for unbelievers, a thief to them, not to us. The children of light will not be taken by surprise.
If one just sat down with Perry Stone Dr Brown Chuck MIssler (good luck his in heaven lol) and some others. Ask.. is PRE MID POST anywhere in the bible? FACT its not. All we do is read some verses and then say "what that verse really means.. what JEsus was really saying".. SOME leave out "what how I personally believe". Perry Stone will tell you that..SOME others dont..
For me.. Jesus said He went to make us a home and will come get us so where He is we will be. I take HIM not man telling me what he personally thinks Jesus was saying or meant. Jesus is coming to get us. And facts.. 300-400AD hymn writer wrote about CAUGHT UP before 7 year trib. That does not prove pre tirb. Just .. they DID talk about it and believed it then. I saw it read the scroll. Then a show was on TV where the man show'd them and then talked about other scrolls before 300ad. Do dont let people try to tell you NO ONE talked about PRE TIRB before 1830-1930..what ever..
People need to stick with whats written.. live today for CHRIST in the moment He gave us. He never promised us tomorrow.. did you know that? WHY are we talking about a DAY we might never see? Live expect JESUS NOW! YOu will never miss Him.. no pre no mid no post.. its not written.. be ready NOW
Today is the day. THIS is the hour.
We're not promised the next second of this reality... And it's certainly not a bad alternative for the lovers of Christ.
The end of the age Jesus is talking about is the Jewish temple and the old covenant. He is talking to his disciples right after he says there won’t be a stone left standing of the temple. 70 ad the temple was destroyed. He said there would be wars and rumors of wars. This was in a time known as the peace of Rome. There weren’t any wars going on in this time. I’ve recently come to see this passage for what Jesus is actually saying.
I wonder if it is because you are the ones causing it.
Love both of these guys and I believe they both love the Lord. I’m with Chuck on pre trib!
I will say both of these guys are a joy to listen to.
Pre- trib is wrong
Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and Holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.
As you can read this is the FIRST FIRST FIRST RESURRECTION. And Christian were fighting against mark of the beast.
@@mynameis......23amen!!!
So, Dr. Missler's teachings have been around for YEARS, why didn't you do this while he was still alive and could respond to your response? I still hold with Missler.
Amen Jeffery!!!
Jeffery.. HAHA made me laugh.. I know you didnt mean it they way I took it..but.. YEAH! HELLO! I wrote the mans gone.. cant answer back or defend.. and I wrote he talked about this MANY times..anyway
Me too
that was my immediate thought too.. and I still hold with pre or maybe mid but definitely not post.. RIP Chuck :(
pre tribers are so desperate that they have to try and change history and say the pretrib rapture idea was from the 3rd century latin Pseudo-ephraem "For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins the Syriac Pseudo Ephraem direct translation before words were changed and added which is pure evil, really says "Pronouncing the good fortune of the deceased Who had avoided the calamity: 'Blessed are you for you were borne away (to the grave) And hence you escaped from the afflictions! Saints escape tribulation by death not rapture:
I respect you very much but I have to agree with Chuck Missler on this topic. God Bless you
Almost cried again watching that clip. Brother Chuck gave me so much that I will never, ever be able to repay. God bless his sweet soul. He brought out things in the Word that even though I read them regularly, I wasn't as sharp and didn't see what he saw. He was mightily used of God and his love the for Jewish People was evident. When he died, I broke down and lost it. Could not watch any more of his vids for over a year (maybe 2). Then, I had a such comforting and heartwarming dream about him that gave me peace and I was able to go back to his videos. In the meantime is when I found Dr. Brown, so all is good.
Thumbs up on this vid. I very much appreciate Dr. Brown handling this delicately with dignity, grace and respect for those who may watch and feel the same as regards our loss of Chuck Missler. He is loved by many, many in this world. He greatly increased my love for the Word and showed me how to "handle" it with a closer eye to details. If someone has to be blamed for my constant thinking on the Word 24/7, blame Chuck!
"You can't get anything through to anyone with a PhD. I know 'cause I are one." ~ Dr. Charles Missler.
He's now home with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and his lovely bride, Nancy, and his son, both of whom preceded him in death. May our Great God and Savior bless him richly for his service to Him on this earth. And Mrs. Nancy Missler did wonderful work and produced great books in her service to Jesus Christ, Our Lord, also. Both were simply fantastic Christians who gave all for Our Lord and lived their faith to the uttermost. God bless them for it, I pray!
(Now with tears streaming: Brother Chuck, if you can somehow read this (ha, ha - dimensions and all ...), I'm looking forward to the hug I got from you in my dream being had in real time! I miss you so much!)
Carole Wilson, 100% agree on “If someone has to be blamed for my constant thinking on the Word 24/7, blame Chuck!” Made me laugh just how accurate that is.
@@jordanpatton8352 I'm happy that it brought a smile to your face, Jordan. Brother Chuck was sharp as a tack, no doubt, and so very much loved God. Yesterday, I wasted a few hours thinking about quantum particles and Ezekiel's wheels: (Paraphrasing) "When this was lift up, the other was lift up" and "When this one went that one went..." I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse at this point! LOL. God bless you and yours, Jordan!
What I always took away from Chuck...well I can only speak for me.. He always made me think.. He might not be right.. YOU GO SEARCH THIS OUT! YOU FIND IT! ...SO MANY dont say that! And when asked questions (later in life) if it was NOT CLEAR in the word "I wont speculate".... YES YES YES!
Aww that's beautiful ❤️
Chuck Missler is a mighty patriarch. He's so special to so many of us. I can't wait to talk to him!!!!!!!
Much Love, Family. ❤️🐥🌿
I’ve been a pre-tribber all my life, but God’s recently given me new insight that’s making me question that. I’ve been going through scripture after scripture, argument after argument. And I’ve been praying hard. Every issue that pre-tribbers bring up about post-trib has been remedied by points in scripture. At this point, I now believe we will experience a post-tribulation, pre-wrath rapture.
I was in the same boat, what an eye opener to study Scripture for yourself and NOT just accept what you've been taught
@@leeliemens8299 amen!
this is what I have been lead to believe too
I'm guessing that your study didn't include the Lords feast of Rosh hashanah or Yom Kippur. Not surprising when the church avoids Passover by celebrating Easter on a different schedule. His plan is laid out in the Feasts. You just need to include them in your study. Rosh hashanah is the rapture and it is connected to Yom Kippur by ten days of awe. Study the Bible with the Holy Spirit and stop following the reasoning of men.
@@kevinbullock1814 I don’t think it’s helpful to accuse someone of not studying their Bible with the Holy Spirit because we disagree on something.
Two great men of God, DR. Brown and Chuck.
I learned alot from both, I miss Dr. Missler, he's with the Lord now.
Amen!
Chuck was a great man of God. I think you are too. But I really think you are wrong on this.
Dennis Reece Just be ready. I am pre-wrath rapture (around the opening of seal 6)
Do you have any examples of pre-trib rapture beliefs or teachings before the 19th century?
mdrministries.com/pre-tribulation-rapture-and-the-early-church-fathers/
How do people miss the man that wrote hymns.. preached 300-400 AD.. hello? SCROLLS.. I cant be the only one that read saw those.. WAIT I am not.. it was on TV.. TBN a man show'd them talked about what THEY FOUND ( I searched and found before I saw that show).. and he found other scrolls writings before 300ad.
Please.. this does not prove PRE TRIB! Did we not listen to DR BROWN or Chuck Missler or Perry stone? PRE TRIB MID TRIB POST TRIB are NOT IN THE BIBLE! Or we would not be talking..
Seems there are people were people that BELIEVED JESUS will come before 7 years.
Paul clearly said that we should not be deceived about the Coming of Jesus Christ, Paul said in regards to the Coming of Jesus Christ and Him gathering US together to Himself that we should not be deceived by what anyone says. Paul says that the Coming of Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to meet Jesus will NOT take place until the following happens FIRST.
1. The Apostasy
2. The Revealing of the Son of Perdition
Then when those two things Clearly happen Jesus WILL Come and Gather us Together to Himself.
1. The Apostasy has NOT happened Yet!
2. The Son of Perdition has NOT been Revealed Yet!
So the Rapture will NOT happen yet!
Paul said Clearly that the Coming of Jesus Christ and The Resurrection of the Dead MUST happen before we will be Raptured together to Meet Jesus.
I respect Dr. Browns position as well as pre-trib teachers as well. One of the best teachers in pre-trib is Dr. Perry stone..ultimately either position doesn’t bother me. I just know my heart is ready to meet our Lord whenever that may be...in the meantime we have to keep sharing the gospel that transforms lives! God bless you!
Just watched Dr Perry Stone, he made it very convinceing. Thank you.
The bigger question is whether or not you will be ready to be under persecution.
Blue Finch Yup. To me it’s one in the same. I’ve laid my life down and I’m never gonna die..so come what may come in Jesus name.
I would love to see a debate between Perry Stone and Dr. Michael Brown.
what about the passage where Jesus taks about 2 people being on a field and one of them being taken away while the other is left behind?
Thank you Dr Brown for standing on the Word of God. Those of us who know the post-trib rapture is true get lonely sometimes!
Truth is so isolating because most people are uninformed.
I grew up in Calvary Chapels. They ALL teach pre-trib, but it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to get there, so at some point I just focused on Jesus and Paul and they agree that Christ will return, and we will be gathered together in the air, when the apostasy happens and the man of lawlessness is revealed.
I hate saying this but I think Dr. Brown is very wrong on this
Paul clearly said that we should not be deceived about the Coming of Jesus Christ, Paul said in regards to the Coming of Jesus Christ and Him gathering US together to Himself that we should not be deceived by what anyone says. Paul says that the Coming of Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to meet Jesus will NOT take place until the following happens FIRST.
1. The Apostasy
2. The Revealing of the Son of Perdition
Then when those two things Clearly happen Jesus WILL Come and Gather us Together to Himself.
1. The Apostasy has NOT happened Yet!
2. The Son of Perdition has NOT been Revealed Yet!
So the Rapture will NOT happen yet!
Paul said Clearly that the Coming of Jesus Christ and The Resurrection of the Dead MUST happen before we will be Raptured together to Meet Jesus.
I agree to disagree with Dr Brown.
I am a pretribber
The Lord will spare us. We are His bride and have been made righteous because of the shed blood of Jesus Christ. I am awaiting His return every day. I do not believe that anything needs to happen first.
Maranatha!
@@JulezandChris. So dear woman, you're ignoring scripture through pure desire to believe whatever is most comforting to you though it will, if wrong, cause you to, out of fear, be unprepared, if we have to go through Tribulation. And you will end up taking the Mark of the Beast to save your life?
This kind of ignorance and stubbornness is what will get many xtians killed unnecessarily. There are as the brother above has shown, things that must happen. If you don't know this, you'll think the Antichrist is Jesus and follow him, clueless, as Christ Said A Great Deception is Coming, and false prophets, false Christ's will appear, before He Himself Returns.
Don't be foolish.
Read the Word.
Get prepared.
Listen to the H. S
GET READY TO RUN
TO GOD'S SANCTUARY...
REVELATION 12 SPEAKS OF.
IF YOU'RE NOT PREPARED YOU WILL DIE OR TAKE THE MARK. YOU CAN ESCAPE IF YOU HEED THESE WORDS.
SHALOM.
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Nope sorry. No warning. The believers will be beamed up and the non believers will be left behind going trough massive tribulations. And then the Antichrist shows up like some kind of savior. There won't be any signs. Even If it is, It won't be enough to even guess .
Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Guys, it's not a save me from persecution thing....
Remember isis, and beheadings? The Christian in Africa and China?
Look past your current state for a larger picture.
Even if you want your tribulation, I pray that you escape it.
May God keep and bless us all.
The Bible does not teach us to expect Him at any moment, but rather gives a clear timeline as to when we will be "caught up". It even says in Daniel, and yet the end is for a time appointed.
Very good teaching, thank you. So many people do not understand that the tribulation is not the Almighty's Wrath. They are two different realities.
Was the Flood in Noah's day God's wrath or the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?
Chuck Missler is unbelievable. I was listening to his incredible exposition of Daniel.
Indeed @Edward Bonthrone. He is loved, cherished and missed by so many. There'll never be another Brother Chuck! Regarding his teaching on "Daniel," I hope you've gotten far enough along in it where you understand this because my intent is to make you smile: "Bring me my brown britches!"
God bless you and yours, Edward.
Edward Bonthrone
We are listening to Chuck’s expose of Daniel too!!! LOVE IT
Great points for each position. However, neither one changes the urgency for the propagation of the gospel message.
Amen, nor does it change the fact that we all have our own date with our own personal apocalypse called the first death regardless of how long Jesus tarries. With no idea on the day or the hour on that one either!
I'm not sure if I'm pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib, but I do know I better B-ready for all of it!
@@mountainmover777I think whatever path of eschatological belief we get raptured by, I believe we'll be under God's wing.
Thank you for not savagely attacking Dr Missler. Much love, brother!
I want to thank you for lovingly challenging Chuck's view, Michael, as I find that these references to "imminency" are thinly veiled and have no spiritual backbone to support them, as you have so clearly pointed out. There is NO teaching in Scripture that says that Jesus can come back at any time. Only "when he returns" -- that's the teaching of Scripture. For example, Luke 18:8b, "Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8b, WEB) Your points about Jesus saying to Simon Peter about how he would die, absolutely spot on. This teaching on imminency is simply not Scriptural. It's important to stand on the word of God, and not the word of man, and too many people have been caught up in popular teaching that does NOT come from the Scriptures! Having said this, I'm still studying this, and am really not of a firm mindset on exactly when all of this will happen, and am still learning. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing the true biblical teaching "post trib". Praise God!
I will humbly admit that I've always been a believer in the pretrib rapture until now. These arguments by Dr. Brown have convinced me to reconsider my entire viewpoint on this issue.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The New Covenant: Bob George
ruclips.net/video/Rj7NQffg_NE/видео.html
You should watch chuck misslers actual video series on this. It would be silly to change your opinion in a 9 minute video where Michael Brown has responded to a couple points, that Missler already rebutted in his rapture series
Pls don't turn post trib or pre trib to an identity
Just live for JESUS ready expect Him now.. no pre no post.. just live in the moment He gave us.. NOW!
Max Blade Except that would be contrary to what Jesus, the apostles and the Old Testament prophets have told us to do, numerous times, throughout the Bible. We are told to be ready, encouraged to “look up” and to look forward to His appearing (for which we get a crown), and, of course, in both the Old and New Testaments, we are told to watch, and when we see the signs that His coming draws near, to warn others!
Too late. Sadly, too many seem to have done exactly that. :-(
I agree!!!!
This might be the best comment yet on this topic.
Scripture clearly teaches post trib. Jesus himself said it.
The tribulation or time of Jacob's trouble is a tribulation time, before the Millennium, for the Jewish people in Israel.. not necessarily for the Church in the world
The captives returned from captivity after Jeremiah wrote the Book of Lamentations, which reveals the time of trouble for Jacob's people.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants?
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)
10. Watch the RUclips video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
I respect you Dr.Brown but you are wrong.. you have missed Paul... the tribulation is for Israel 🇮🇱 not the church. The rapture is not promise to Israel but to the church his bride !!!
What body do the Tribulation Saints belong to? And don't you have to have another Rapture and Translation for all who have dies, and remain alive at the end, to get caught up to meet Jesus "when He comes in the clouds in great glory?"
How many 1st Resurrections are there?
Pre-Trib doctrine causes all of these issues which aren't there when the Rapture verses are all put together.
Sketchpad Warrior you sound so confused. That’s what post trib causes.
AbrahanTV no confusion- merely pointing out the confusion that Pre-Trib brings about.
It’s a confused and convoluted doctrine.
BTW Please address the points I brought up.
Sketchpad Warrior you are blind and no matter how well one can point out why there is pre trib for the church you would not believe bc you are blind. Paul the apostle said Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. Notice he says we not Those who are alive.. he included him self why bc it was revealed to him the rapture of the church.. and God used Paul to bring the gentiles to Jesus.. The body’s that you mentioned is the church coming to earth with him from where ?? Heaven is a promise that to where he is we were to be with him.. you know what’s so sad of you’re wrong doctrine is that now a days so called Christians do not fear God by drinking clubbing getting tattoos don’t preach about sin why bc they are not waiting for the rapture of the church bc they think is so far and that they will go through the tribulation is so dumb and sad I hope the Holy Spirit opens your eyes and repent ..
*The LAST Trump on the LAST day*
I absolutely love Chuck Missler, but I love listening to your teachings too, Dr. Brown. I don’t believe in pre-trib rapture so I always just took it with a grain of salt when listening to Chuck exegete on it. Regardless of our stance, no one is untouchable, and we don’t divide over this point.
How can there be a Pre-trib rapture if Jesus said He would raise us up on the Last Day?
Raise you like Lazarus. The body. The dead.
@@sirperduwyn When is the last day?
Thank you dr brown, as a pretribber myself, I never heard of this preacher till now. Have to check him out now! Since I also don’t consider this salvidic, my trust will always be on Jesus promises and provisions for his children rather than the timing of his return.
Psalms 37:25-26 (KJV)
25 I have been young, and now am old;
yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken,
nor his seed begging bread.
26 He is ever merciful, and lendeth;
and his seed is blessed.
Jesus said we will face tribulation, but we have been saved from God's wrath in all senses. Post-tribulation, pre-wrath.
Post Tribulation IS pre ORGE!
Post Tribulation has always been before Christs ORGE as when Jesus COMES and the First Resurrection takes place that is when Jesus begins to Trample the ORGE!
The False Pre Trumpet Pre Bowl Teaching has many disturbing errors!
I love both of these tremendous men of God. After studying this issue for more than 30 years, I've come to this conclusion: after a superficial read, you will NOT come away from the Bible with a pre-tribulation Rapture position.
However, after studying the scripture with the proper "hermeneutical hygiene," and how the Holy Spirit uses patterns and parables to communicate Truth in a way only He can do, the pre-tribulation Rapture is painted all over the Bible, and in my humble opinion, it becomes so crystal clear.
Isaac and Rebecca come to mind for me. Eleazer (helper) sent to get her (bride) by Abraham (father) for Isaac (SON). "Don't take my son again into the land," (doing my best from memory). The patterns swirl around in my mind constantly, so I really appreciated your post! God bless you and yours, Neil.
I, too have studied this since the late 1980's. Only when putting all of the Scriptures together, in context, without reading dispensationalism into them, does one get a proper, Post-tribulational view of the Rapture. Turns out, it's also the Historical Premillennial view, held for centuries.
Also, Pre-Trib separates the Church into several different bodies -- Church Saints and Tribulation Saints, divides the saved Gentiles from the saved Jews, and creates the necessity of at least TWO Raptures, TWO "1st Resurrections" and two Returns.
It was never understood to be this way in the early church.
Neil Peterson I love a man who applies the correct Hermeneutics, Typologies and Patterns to Scripture, you can never go wrong. 🙌🏻 I also love the Scripture in Genesis which could be Foundational for a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. When one of the two angels tells Lot and his family to flee to Zoar (before destruction of Sodom) as Lot found FAVOR and was considered Righteous before God for protecting the angels. The Righteous are always Removed before Destruction. “ Hurry, escape there. FOR I CANNOT **DO ANYTHING** “UNTIL” YOU ARRIVE THERE.” Gen 19:22, 😘I have heard it said that before war begins a Government Removes its Ambassadors from Trouble, and We are Christs Ambassadors on Earth. So we’re going Pre-Trib’ even if the Mid and Posts Tribbers don’t like the idea😘 Bless you Brother, see you in the clouds 🎺⛅️
You start to wonder and PLEASE FORGIVE ME if some are not being deceiving on purpose. Well.. I read the word come away with pre tirb. Now I cant find PRE TRIB OR MID OR POST TRIB in my bible. I can SEE all views. But I like a few ..it HAS to be written. Jesus told us He was going to make us a home.. and will come get us so where He is we will be. Now I have NOT TO BOAST seen heard WONDERS from my Father..our Father of our lord JESUS Christ. The only reason I can guess is..I read His word.. and I take HIM at what He said. Not listening to "what that verse really says.. what JEsus was really saying or who Jesus was really talking to was "
See.. for me JESUS IS REAL! And when I get stuck.. I search listen to ALL these men of GOD but in the end.. I have to pray and ask HIM! And CAUGHT UP... is something HE NEVER talks about.. NEVER says PRE is wrong. or post is wrong.. strange how HE WONT Talk ab out it..
I then YEARS ago.. how SOME OF YOU MISSED IT.. well you cant just GOOGLE IT. Before I saw the man on TBN (like or not TBN..it was a show ON TBN) he talked showd' scrolls of a man that wrote hymns and preached. I saw it...before I saw the show.. SCROLLS! And you can read it.. CAUGHT UP before 7 year trib.. when you ask did this man write these? 300 400ad.
This does not prove PRE TRIB! But it does prove some like those PAUL 1st wrote to..were watching waiting for JESUS. Searching I found those thought JESUS came and they missed it. I NEVER get "Paul was warning them that this teaching Jesus coming any moment was false or error".. a never got that.. now hearing it from someone.. and later they tell you about POST TRIB! Ok.. know I see why they say "Paul was really warning them.. what Paul was really saying" blood of JESUS..
JESUS told you.. I go to make you a home yes? ASK HIM! NOT MAN NOT DR BROWN.. a JESUS did you go to make me a home and your going to come get me so where you are IN HEAVEN.. I will be also? Did you say that to ALL of us?
I cant be the only one that can ASK and hear back right? JESUS IS REAL right? HE said MY sheep HEAR My voice? Sweet sweet Holy Spirit talks yes? ACTS He did.. or did some PREACHER aka MAN tell you why you cant hear from the GOD THAT IS IN YOU! IN YOU! IN YOU ... ask HIM..pray then WAIT on HIm..
then..if its HIM..He will back it up by HIS WORD! ASK HIM! ...all this TALK about what MAN believes and no one can just ask JESUS 2k years and NO ONE to this day KNOWS when now or afterr.. NO ONE KNOWS! so be ready NOW! Live for Him in the MOMENT HE GAVE YOU! Do everything for HIM Expect HIM NOW
Max Blade i do not ever intend to take your heart away from Jesus, or from your fervent expectation to see Him at any moment.
Yes, He will Return for us. For all of us. And we will be caught up to meet Him when He appears. All Saints of all ages are His beloved bride, and make themselves ready for Him, and He will Return for all of us.
It’s not only just the timing that’s at issue. It’s “ecclesiology” that’s also at issue- who is the Church, and do those called, chosen and faithful followers called Tribulation Saints also share in being His Bride.
I am pre- trib but I’m trying to understand the post-trib viewpoint because I want to hear both sides. These are two verses I haven’t heard addressed yet in the post-trib side. Anyone have any idea where to find them addressed?
“Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”
Matthew 24:44 NKJV
“Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.”
Revelation 3:10
Michael Brown's point is that Scripture teaches that Christ will not come until certain conditions are met. We're not there yet.
Hello. I think that you are conflating the two. The groom will come for his bride and it is essential that she be ready at any moment-Enoch was and then was no more; where did he go? Ezekiel left but did not die; how did he depart? Who is the Restrainer/Comforter and what happens when He leaves? Jesus said that I must go so that the Comforter must come. They are mutually exclusive.
Paul remarked that what was hidden and specifically revealed to him was the opportunity of gentiles to be joint heirs. Because we believed and are tasked with bringing the gospel to others including those who are His chosen, we will not incur the wrath. The 1/2 half of trib is marked by specific events that will signal that period for those who initially rejected Him and killed His prophets. He will return and bring us with Him.
My father believed with all his heart that he would not die but go in the rapture alive. Jesus Christ came for him on Easter morning many years ago. We need to be ready because Jesus will one day come for you in rapture alive or in death.
Have you read Corrie Ten Boom's beautiful letter on the dangers of teaching that we will not face tribulation? It is short but powerful. The church in China experienced a "great falling away" because western missionaries had told them that God would rapture them before the tribulation. Then persecution hit and they lost their faith.
We as Christians have "citizenship in Heaven." The Tribulation is for those who "dwell upon the earth." The 70th week of Daniel was promised for The Jews, not the church. It's a Pre-trib Rapture.
I was once a post-tribe believer having read Ladd at college..But years later the penny dropped primarily by rereading Roland Bucks Angels on Assignment book. Not so much the words of the angels that appeared to him but they way they explained the rapture .. it lines up with scripture. The feast of Tabernacles where the Israelitesmake booths to live in for 7 days (symbolic for 7 years) and on 8th day celebrate. And looking in Revelation that the " great" tribulation is primarily God's judgement upon the earth from his wrath..believers covered with the blood cannot experience those wrath judgements so they need to be elsewhere while it's going on.
I realise Dr. Brown is scholarly and he thinks they things honestly but sometimes the scholarly biases get in the way of simple truths..most scholars are amil or preterists so their expositions aren't going to help. But thank God he does look into someone's heart to see they accept pretrib rapture before he takes them..be free to discuss amongst brothers
Since I can not find PRE MID or POST anywhere in the word.. So.. I live in the moment HE gave me.. I am ready now.. watching knowing He is coming NOW! For me.. it will always be NOW when He comes.. and I was not promised tomorrow. Wise to prepare...but.. if your ready NOW one will NEVER Miss HIM! Always thinking about HIM.. watching waiting.. I LOVE IT!
@@maxzeblade it's not a watershed teaching. The preparedness is the point
Having God's protection during the tribulation is good enough for me.
Wheres its say GOD is going to protect the Church during the Tribulation? NO where in the word. I know GOD said we will NEVER see His wrath.. no where does it say protect us IN His wrath. Well LOT "as long as you are here I can do nothing" Lot had to be gone.. Yes lol I heard DR Brown talk about NOAH...but.. how can he not know if NOAH was gone..would you and me be here?
So Gods WRATH.. just on a few cities is it? No the WORLD and some in it or ALL? Did GOD miss you? ALL! The whole earth.. where will you hide? how many 1/3 die? The sea? So.. were talking about a time that ALL the wars put into one dont come close to whats coming..
THEN.. Satan.. hmm dont you ever wonder about how can Satan have power over the saints in the great trib? Its written. How? did not JESUS aka GOD say "behold I give you POWER? And over ALL the power of the enemy? Greater is HE that is IN YOU.. where is this GOD? IN YOU! Yet.. SOMETHING that RIGHT NOW has ALL POWER Over the lawless one.. is taken out of the way (NO WHERE in the bible does it say WHAT that is) then.. when SOMETHING is taken out of the way.. what are the ODDS Satan can come out in the open and do LYING WONDERS! Things NO MAN has ever seen.. strange...he cant do any of that right now..
We would bind him in JESUS name.. resist him and he would HAVE TO FLEE! yet.. not during those 7 years...then..what about those VERSES about US in heaven? When will that happen?
Dont you find it ODD over 2k years now and NO ONE but NO ONE can just ask JESUS about this? Ask Him.. should be so easy..HE IS IN YOU. His SHEEP hear His voice. He is REAL right? HE said My sheep hear my voice.. Holy Spirit talks.. in ACTS He did.
Protection... shall we talk GIFTS? Healing TONGUES... MOST can not even agree on those.. and protection.. doing it NO IS HE? how many times in your life you asked...WHERE ARE YOU? WHY Dont you talk? on and on. People DIE get sick..GOD DID IT? How many have no clue about that.
And you think you will be able to make it believe in a time where SATAN and LYING wonders are going one..when someone that seems to be GOD LIKE all the answers...hes wrong why? If we cant live believe JESUS NOW! You never will then. Are DEMONS FALLEN ANGLES real? one can show up .. in a dream.. wonderful beautiful.. pure white.. talk about GOD this GOD that.. and you would KNOW its not of GOD? How?
Forgive me..but DR BROWN leaves this out.. Just take JESUS not me not anyone else at HIS word. HE told you.. I go to make you a place.. so be ready NOW ..no pre no post ..just live for HIM in the moment you have.. be ready NOW..you will never miss HIM! FOLLOW MAN you will ANY MAN
Exactly
To everyone arguing with their fellow brothers and sisters on this matter, please remember who our King is. Ask yourselves, does arguing about this proclaim the good news to unbelievers ? Does being pre trib or post trib determine if you are saved ??? No, by Christ we are saved with his Grace. So please keep it civil and remember we are brothers and sisters in Christ and we should show love to one another.
I wish the pretrib position were true but I just can't see it in scripture. I'm with dr.brown on this one
I encourage you to read 2 Thessalonians 2:6 where it speaks of the restrainer, and how the restrainer has to be taken out of the way before the revealing of the anti-christ. The restrainer is the Holy Spirit (and can also be the Church since Christ lives in our hearts) the church will not be here during the GREAT Tribulation, this is the time for the Jewish nation to finally receive Christ as their Messiah.
This is why it is called "Jacob's Trouble" from the book of Daniel. We know Jacob was given a new name, ISRAEL .... this is for the Jewish nation. The entire focus is on Israel, that is why if you read in Matthew 24:24 concerning the Abomination of Desolation it refers to the land of JUDEA (JEWS), telling them when they see the abomination of desolation, "people of Judea flee from your rooftops... take nothing with you...and pray that it not be on the SABBATH (extremely important to the Jews not to break the Sabbath.) Why is the abomination of desolation so important? Because this has happened before in history, 167BC The king of Syria Sntiochus IV desecrate the temple by offering the sacrifice of a pig on an alter to Zues (The Abomination of Desolation) The Jews have a deeper understanding of this concerning the temple, and I believe this is why many Jews will come to the realization that this anti christ is not who they thought he was their messiah, and then they come to faith in Jesus. The 3rd temple must be rebuilt, if there is going to be an abomination of desolation happening. The 3rd temple is not important to Christians because we already know that the body of Believers is the temple and Jesus dwells in us, there is no need for a physical temple for Christians, but for the Jews, this is so important for them because they rejected the Messiah and believe the only way he can come is to have this temple rebuilt...So then we can understand why Matthew only addresses people of Judea and not the entire world. If you continue to read in 2Thess 2:6 til the end, you will also find that all of the unbelievers during this time will believe the lie that the anti christ brings forth because God himself will send them a strong delusion and non of them will be saved. They had the opportunity to come to him but never did because they preferred sin, so this strong delusion is sent to them that they will receive the anti-christ and I am assuming the mark of the beast. Please read for yourself do not take my word for it, I have been studying this subject for nearly 7 years and since diving into this extremely fascinating subject I feel like my understanding is growing more and more. :) Blessings
Why there must be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church
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@@rlb9808 if the Holy Spirit must be taken, how are there saints in the tribulation? There cant be a true saint unto God without having the Holy Spirit. Furthermore, the Holy Spirit will be here during the tribulation evidenced by the 2 witnesses.
God is restraining the antichrist himself until his time. Its as simple as that. The Holy Spirit or the Chruch doesn't have to be gone. Its God who opens doors no man can shut and closes doors no man can open.
Although I respect peoples opinions in this matter, after all we are all brothers and sisters, but it seems there's a lot of dancing around scripture when it comes to this position, however I have wrestled with the pre-trib view as well and mid-trib creates more questions when tested against the scripture....after wrestling with all of these for some time now, and searching the scriptures and letting THEM speak for themselves I have come to the conclusion that none of these positions, based in scripture, are correct. In my opinion I believe God will call His church up between the 4th and 5th seal, given the emphasis on the 12,000 of the 12 tribes, in other words this will be Israel's time of redemption, the church will be gone.
It doesn't say we will meet Him in the air "then escort Him back". That's his addition to the scripture
Dr. Brown, I do not agree with your assertion of Post Trib Rapture but I love & respect you greatly!
I miss Chuck
With tears pouring: Amen, brother.
Me as well😢
OH....but just try to imagine WHERE he is right now!!! Incredible!!!
most certainly post trib
One reason I always believed in the pre-trib rapture was the doctrine of imminency. One reason I believed in imminency is the parable of the ten virgins. They had to stay ready for the groom because they never knew when he would arrive. I'm now starting to see that a lot of what I believed was based on dispensational teaching from people like Chuck Missler, Scofield, Charles Ryrie ... etc. I'm not fully convinced in the post-trib view yet but I'm warming up to it. Thanks for this video.
Well when the rapture doesn't come like pre tribs expect, you'll know you are on the narrow path, follow the Bible, and check it to see it says what they are saying, the majority don't.
God provides armour Ephesians 6:10-18
Satan the deceiver wants you to believe there is an escape ticket out of here.
We all go through the tribulation.
Welcome it for the gift of eternal life in happiness
@@logiciskey7did you watch chuck misslers series though? He addressed all those points
Glad you are questioning Dispensationalism. The parable doesn't teach imminency. The coming of the Bridegroom is ANNOUNCED. It is not sudden and secret, without a warning, as in the Pretrib teaching. In fact, it teachers that a significant amount of time passes between the announcement and the coming, in that the foolish have time to ask the wise for oil, the wise to answer them, and the foolish to go out and buy. Where is the imminency? Both the wise and the foolish knew the Bridegroom would soon come.
Also, the word imminent does not mean "sudden, without warning." It means "about to happen, just around the corner." The rapture is not "about to happen." Many have though that it was "about to happen" and were wrong. Jesus' coming is sudden and without warning, but it is not imminent.
Another issue with Dispensationalism is the identity of the Bride. In Revelation, the bride is made up of twelve foundations with the names of the twelve apostles (all Israelites), AND twelve gates with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel (the 144,000). The Bride is not made ready until Rev 18, when "all Israel" is saved.
God was able to pour out His wrath on Egypt while protecting the Israelites. He is capable of pouring out His wrath on earth while covering His people today. He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever.
My issue with this video is that Chuck Missler did nearly 2 hours on this topic, outlining scripture after scripture, example after example, and Michael Brown is responding to a couple points, and everyone in the comment section seems to be celebrating it.
Please look up Chuck Misslers rapture series for yourself, there are two parts. He outlines all scripture, very clearly explains it, and gives tons of examples of the scripture that supports pre trib throughout the entire Bible.
It’s also important to understand the heart of our Lord. None of you know for sure what’s considered “the wrath”. People say “it’s the sixth seal”, but the thing is, you don’t know for sure.
Tribulation and wrath are not the same thing, but we are not appointed to wrath. Also, there is only one, "first resurrection".
I think Dr. Brown provides a very convincing and powerful argument. His knowledge of scripture is vast.....to say the least.
I’d say that Chuck Missler’s knowledge of the Scriptures was equally vast!
mid trib rapture where we are rescued from the wrath that hits the earth.
Where does it say anyone is in Heaven? The dead are at peace in their graves waiting on the great day. I'm interested to hear.
They are in paradise,abrahams bosum.the final heaven comes after great throne judgement.research it,many passages in scripture say we do not sleep until He reappears.sleep,in scripture,is talking about someone who died.the Hebrew authors and customs of that time used word "sleep"instead of word "dead",they feared death and did not luke to say it.moses and elijah were seen speaking to Christ on the mt.they were wide awake,not roused out of their grave,made to look new again because they were just bones when Christ was alive.no,we go to the temporary heaven or the temporary hell(Hades,Sheol)when we die
@@cynthiaerickson3646 exactly. There are 3 heavens.
3 heavens are i think.. sky, space, and actual heaven.
" to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."
i think, dead people pass thrpugh time, and are instantly in heaven and its also the end of the world..
but. bible does say, in Ezekiels vision? the holy people of heaven ask how long are you going to wait!?
@@cynthiaerickson3646 Paradise is were the tree of live is. There is no tree of live in the midst of the earth. Paradise is in the 3. Heaven. But the comma in the right place "I say to you today (now), you will be with me in paradise", that is a promise for the future.
My heart goes out for people who believe in post trib rapture when the scriptures clearly give us blessed hope! I hope and pray for the post trib folks that "let it be done unto you according to your faith" does not apply to them!
First let's not confuse the ongoing persecution of the body of Christ with great tribulation cause these are 2 different things altogether.
The post trib people claim they are ready or prepared to go through tribulation and blame that pre trib people have "westernized snow flake Christianity" and are not ready or prepared to go through tribulation. I say forget about being ready and prepared for tribulation, some people are not even ready for some of the persecutions Christians go through in some parts of the world. Those who think they are, you are more than welcome to go and preach in some Muslim majority countries, North Korea, China, etc. Lot and his family were rescued before God’s wrath was poured out on Sodom and Gomorrah and they were commanded not to even look at it while the wrath was being poured out! Same way, Noah and his family were saved from the flood and forget about them even getting wet with any flood waters, they were not even given any access to view what was going on outside and hence there were no windows in the ark. Technically, the ark was not on earth/land but was lifted up above all the destruction, in the air so to speak.
The time of the great tribulation is called Jacob's trouble for a reason and not trouble of the church/bride! It's the time of purification of Israel so that they will believe in Jesus as their Messiah whom they pierced with the 2 witnesses (along with 144,000) preaching and glorifying Christ! God promises to supernaturally protect the nation of Israel while the wrath of God being poured out on the rebellious and blasphemous world. You will not find words like grace and mercy after Revelation chapter 3 when it all starts! During the great tribulation, the false prophet, the antichrist and the devil with his angels will be on earth (or cast out I should say) and the church/the bride will be with the Bridegroom and that's why Revelation 12:12 says, "Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." Post trib folks picture the Lord Jesus Christ as someone who is saying to His (persecuted) bride/church "because you have suffered the persecution for my name's sake, I'm gonna make sure you stay on earth during the great tribulation (the time of outpouring of God's wrath) and that's your blessed hope!!!"
About the rapture Lord Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour but if post trib folks want to apply that to the second coming, then guess what once the tribulation starts, everyone including the devil and his angels, false prophet and antichrist know that Jesus is coming after about 7 years!!
1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment in a twinkling of an eye...., I have learn from many Masters being the #1 Jesus himself and Mr. Chuck Missler it’s right on 99.9% on everything He explained I leave 0.1 because He was Human.
He is even though now with the Lord (He still is) the best teacher of his times.
Paul clearly said that we should not be deceived about the Coming of Jesus Christ, Paul said in regards to the Coming of Jesus Christ and Him gathering US together to Himself that we should not be deceived by what anyone says. Paul says that the Coming of Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to meet Jesus will NOT take place until the following happens FIRST.
1. The Apostasy
2. The Revealing of the Son of Perdition
Then when those two things Clearly happen Jesus WILL Come and Gather us Together to Himself.
1. The Apostasy has NOT happened Yet!
2. The Son of Perdition has NOT been Revealed Yet!
So the Rapture will NOT happen yet!
Paul said Clearly that the Coming of Jesus Christ and The Resurrection of the Dead MUST happen before we will be Raptured together to Meet Jesus.
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DANNY King
I am a Child of God first
I am a follower of Jesus second
I am in Title to my own Opinion third
On Earth Mr. Chuck Missler and Derek Prince have been my Bible teachers and for Psychology I like to learn from Dr. Jordan B Peterson of the three Gentlemen only Peterson is alive.
Rapture of Saints
You have a new subscriber, I am open to hear from anyone with the passion for scripture similar to mine, I wish I would have more time to dedicate to study, but I am a Widow and I have to do the work meant for two all by myself.
God Bless 🙏🙏🙏
@@alchemyseal9400. Are you into new age beliefs?
Yeshua, Jesus Christ of Nazereth is not an ascended master or guru or consciousness or any type of universal spirit energy or consciousness. That is false.
Now, dear woman, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but your feminist attitude is unbiblical and antiChrist in the Quest for Truth, so we need to humble ourselves and be corrected when we are Way Off Simple Foundational tenets of Biblical Truth.
I humbly, with respect, am only trying to gently steer you towards the Truth as all men and women are not without mistakes or error from time to time and need correcting, including you, me and Chuck Missler.
First of all, I too am a huge fan of Chuck, and he taught me many a thing as a young scholar, but on later review he has made several errors which he hasn't corrected himself of.
I still am a fan and loved his entertaining teaching style and humour. And he is greatly missed and respected highly by those who agree or disagree with a few of his beliefs. So...
Quickly, I'll tell you a few errors then get to the crux.
1 Chuck says the rendering in Daniel 2:43 gives the interpretation of
... they shall not cleave to and... mingling with the Seed... Is the right translation. He sadly does so to stretch this verse to the nephilim alien beliefs he has. I actually believe in that but this scripture does not support that, in the iron and clay metaphorical interpretation as the Hebrew, Latin and Greek have different meanings we can choose, so he is beung biased in his choice of meaning when we honestly objectively analyse the text and meaning without favourable bias.
2. Chuck makes the same mistake as above with his interpretation of scripture that he selects to favour the pre trib rapture view, as like many elderly ppl, they choose this view, As it's more comfortable and comforting to believe this than going through the great Tribulation, and I've looked at his argument objectively, without bias towards or against that view and conclude unequivocally that the rapture occurs at the second coming which is at the 6th seal 6th trumpet, pre Wrath of God, but post Wrath of satan, that is post trib. This is proven by revelation 12.v17-19, and Matthew 24.
Supported by 2Thess2, Mark 21, Luke 13 and Micah 5v5.
As well as many other places in Daniel 9.24,27, 11v32 and others. Christ Himself tells us we shall have to ensure, and be strong even unto death, but many will be saved in Sanctuaries God provides to hide us during Satan's antichrist Wrath...
Rev 12, Rev 13.
3 Chuck worked closely with military and government whistle-blowers re aliens, DUMBs and other Nephilim related experiences in the USA and worldwide, re close encounters etc, but this has led him to believe in a unhealthy obsession with this area which has coloured his interpretation and views which has become too biased off kilter and influenced others to do the same, when the proof of such, is not concrete or significant enough to be believed as the proper belief. His idea of a nephilim return has influenced and fascinated most scholars today or challenged them, but on honest analytical review, we cannot agree with Chuck, as his methods were again, selective in choice of meaning of words, which support his alien nephilim view.
4 with great respect and Admiration we love Chuck and his amiable charismatic teachings and delivery but we must not allow entertainment value and charm influence our doctrine if there is error mistakes or honest lack of perspective in realising our own unconscious bias. Hence the need for vigilant scrutiny.
This requires often tedious effort and time consuming honest testing, and self examination for being truly objective and free of unintentionally being biased towards our own existing beliefs and favourably held views and doctrines.
This is a difficult thing to do. Be totally objective in our study and analysis, and be humble enough to be corrected, admit we were wrong, and learn from our mistakes. Pride blocks ppl from doing so. They then lead others astray who aren't as vigilant studious or conscientious in their scrutiny, for Accurate Truth.
Therefore, I urge you to be aware of this, and the misinformation, disinformation, lies and propaganda out there, designed to make us the Body of Christ, look foolish, for believing in them.
However I do believe the nephilim are returning through bloodlines, TRANSHUMANism, and maybe giants sealed up in the earth or fallen angels bound in the earth, because these are in scripture and not disputed or can be interpreted in other drastically different ways.
Nevertheless, Chucks work is significant and he has certainly created interest in prophecy, nephilim and aliens, whom we know are demons, but we must be cautious not to seem foolish because we jump into beliefs without testing their validity accuracy and probability.
Be blessed In Yeshua ha Meshiach.
Shalom.
Hi, my husband and I know that Jesus is coming after the “tribulation of those days”. Jesus said so in Matthew 24. It is so clearly described by Jesus in that chapter. I don’t know why some people don’t see it. I think that they do not want to see it. But I rather have the Holy Spirit prepare my soul and body for
tribulations times, than think that I will be getting out for the tribulation. Besides, there is a difference between the tribulation times and the wrath of God. The tribulation is brought about by the anti-Christ, not God. God has not appointed us to wrath. Yes, that’s what is going to happen at the end of the 7 years of tribulations. That’s what is called “the Day of the Lord”. We are not appointed to that wrath. Amen. Hallelujah. Thank You Jesus.
Amen Gorin, I totally 100% Agree with what you have written!
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation:
(which prove the book is not in chronological order)
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
He comes with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1.
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels have already been bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The only way to properly interpret the book is through the principle of "Recapitulation".
@@SpotterVideo I would make sure that you would endure until the end like Jesus said. Blessings
@@gorin2911 Verse 12 below proves part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. In verse 11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. The Capital "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Ponder this, why did Jesus said in Matthew 24 and in revelations “he who endured until the end will be saved”. Saints, some will not endure and will give up because they never prepared for a long journey of tribulations. Blessings.
Great video Dr. Brown. Tribulation ≠ God's wrath; it's the great tribulation, rapture, and then God's wrath is poured out. The position is called pre-wrath. A man named Alan E. Kurschner has a lot of great content on it.
pre wrath i believe that is my position, as it makes the most sense considering the numerous references to the 'harpazo'.
the restrainer passage in the scriptures tells me that we cannot be here for at least the great tribulation
I agree with Dr.Brown
I respect dr Brown but I think he misses key points. 1)the horrific events mankind will experience in end time wrath..it's too incredulous to think that somehow the church will just pass thru this gauntlet of supernatural, natural and man-made events and be totally unscathed...Well, that would not be going thru tribulation then? So which is it?
2) The angel in tribulation comes bearing a NEW GOSPEL. One which needs works as well as faith so Paul said this person (angel) would be ACCURSED! So it is not possible that both the church AND then remnant of Israel exist side by side at this time! And what time is it?? Clearly, it is the time of JACOB's Trial...ISRAEL!! And ONLY Israel.
Question 1 Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. 3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. 4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. 5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; 6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. 7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. 8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. 9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; 10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. 11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. 12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. 13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. 14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. 15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. 16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my yeshua
Question 2 there is no separation between Jew and gentile believer in Yeshua. The two are made one man with the dividing wall being destroyed. We are grafted into the olive tree of Israel becoming Israelites and heirs according to the promise. So anything they go through we go through it with them.
@@kingdomtimes361 you are forgetting that Israel is currently blind and not grafted in. They are not apart of the Church. They are currently counted as unbelievers until God turns His focus back to them during Jacobs trouble.
“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.”
Romans 11:20-23 KJV
Good points made by Dr Brown, happy to see people out there believe post-trib rapture
The scripture you site at 5:30 demolishes pre tribulation "rapture " And comes straight out of God's own mouth... I agree with you, it's very clear!
God said we we believers in Christ..the church, would not suffer under Gods wrath....in context, Noah survived Gods wrath, Lot survived Sodom Gomorrah...Gods wrath etc. There is also Tribulation vs. The Great Tribulation- anti-Christs vs. AntiChrist- Gods Wrath vs Satans Wrath...these people here never mention these verses...only Revelation. hmmm
@@ajaxslamgoody9736 We are not appointed unto wrath that's right, God's wrath begins at the 6th seal.
@@chungusultimate When God starts breaking seals thats when it starts! If God does something to cause the wrath its...... Gods wrath. the antichrist will abuse the ones who resist him so why would those who have already put their faith in God be subject to that wrath that God releases? from my study we will have a rapture and it will be when the first seal is broken. The believers left on the earth is the 144,000 jews. You can believe what you want, but from own personal study we will not be here with the rule of the antichrist.
With all respect to Missler (more learned than I will probably be), it shows you that no one has all their doctrines perfectly in a row. One can be a great teacher in certain areas but not have the correct idea in others. That's why we need the whole body for the whole counsel.
91: 1 so true. I don’t think the Holy Spirit would give a believer perfect knowledge of all doctrines. Otherwise pride would seep in
Maybe the pragmatic method would be to prepare for post trib, hope for pre trib.
I don’t think anyone can truly understand the pre-trib rapture until they understand the Jews restoration which will occur during the Time of Jacobs Trouble.
Our salvation was already complete when we personally accepted Christ into our hearts.
There’s no reason for us to endure unto the end alongside with the Jewish remnant who hasn’t yet been restored.
The saved, prior to the Time of Jacobs Trouble will be removed and the remnant of Jews that follow Christ will be “hid” in the day of trouble.
If we’re saved, our salvation is complete and enduring unto the end would mean we’re trusting in a works based salvation.
Which coming? His thief in the night coming or every eye shall behold him coming with his saints?
As it was in the days of Noah, enoch was raptured and then Noah goes through the tribulation.
In the days of Lot, Abraham first meets Jehovah as a man, and then Lot goes through the tribulation.
In Joseph, his wife is in the throne room, then he saves his brothers through the tribulation.
Etc etc etc
Well said. The OT types are one of the reasons I continue to lean pretrib. Another one Chuck would mention: Daniel was "out of town" while his friends were protected in the flames.
Noah was not raptured
@@Lodium1 😑 okay. Thank you for your input that confirms what we said. Much appreciated.
@@jaredpetersen277 12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. 13 And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. 14 For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. 15 (“Behold, I am coming like a thief!. Doesnt sound like the pre trib to me
@@Lodium1 so why do you see coming as a thief for the great battle? The vile angel if you read further speaks to john and says "They will make war with the Lamb, but the Lamb will conquer them, because he is Lord of Lords and King of kings, and those accompanying the Lamb are the called, chosen, and faithful.”
Now how does he come with his called, chosen and faithful to make war with the kings of the earth if he us coming to fetch them, unless he already came as a thief before all this fighting started.
I will give another verse for the same happening.
The armies that are in heaven, dressed in white, clean, fine linen, were following him on white horses.
Revelation 19:14
This happens right after
Let us rejoice and exult and give him glory, because the wedding celebration of the Lamb has come, and his bride has made herself ready. She was permitted to be dressed in bright, clean, fine linen” (for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints).
So again we have a marraige of the bride, then he comes down with said bride to battle. Now when did he fetch his bride if the tribulation is happening when he comes with his bride?
Im with Dr. Chuck Missler
And many other impressive Bible Scholars!
I love Chuck Missler, but I really love your exposition of scripture of truth on this one no offense Mr. Missler. Thank you Dr. Brown
Only the bride of Christ will not go through wrath, and will be raptured, pre tribulation. The rest will have to undergone wrath. Simple as that. Dr Chuck Missler is referring to the bride's of Christ
Scripture says we (the Church) are NOT appointed to Wrath and ALL 7 yr's of the tribulation is Gods wrath ,the first 3 1/2 he's dealing indirectly with mankind by using the Anti Christ but the second 3 1/2 yr's God is dealing with Mankind directly
Dr. Brown, I love you Brother!
Thank you for your work and for sharing your passion and learning with us.
I read
Matthew 24:29-5
1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:1
2 Thessalonians 1:5-2:17
1 Corinthians 15:12-58
and it became very clear to me.
And then I spent a couple days researching and praying because I'm very conservative about changing my beliefs in what the Bible is saying, however this is very clear and I want to thank you because you have personally been a huge help to me these last couple days. Thank you so much.
Chuck Missler is one of my top favorite teachers, however on this issue I think you're right and he's wrong, actually I was amazed that all of his bullet points are basically totally false. I don't see how he thinks any of those things. But I cherish him though.
And I love and am very thankful for your help as well.
God bless your ministry abundantly. ❤️🌿
After listening to your rebuttal I'm more of a pre-tribber than before. Either all believers are raptured or not. If so then by definition anyone left behind is NOT saved and will be judged accordingly when Yeshua returbs to Earth... And no mortals left to repopulate the Earth. Good video though, Brother in Christ!
Dr Brown's lame reason about the mortals that repopulate the Kingdom will be the people that "Do Not" attack Israel at the Battle of Armageddon > BUT he avoids stating if they are "Born Again" or not? And in John Chp 3 verse 3 Jesus clearly states that No One will enter the Kingdom of God except they are "Born Again" Spiritually > So if we get a post trib rapture at same time as 2nd coming there are no mortals left to repopulate the Kingdom!!! NO ONE will change my mind from believing a PRE- Tribulation Rapture!!!
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
According to your faith, be it unto you
I dearly love Dr. Chuck missler. And I greatly respect Dr. Brown. But, I'm still tilting towards pre trib as all types and shadows in the OT is towards pre trib.
Lot and judegemt of Sodom
Tamar and Judah in I think Gen 38,
Moses and his time in Midian in exodus 2& 3.
Can post the file to whoever is interested
I’m interested
Jonathan Garza
superiorword.org/the-rapture-old-testament-types-and-shadows/
Thank you
I’m not yet conclusive, but am tilting towards Pre after reading both sides of the research on how they arrive at the interpretation.
I thought of Noah and Lot as types. I also know the heart of God (the main reason why I tilt towards Pre).
But Nebuchadnezzar and Daniel’s 3 friends. They were thrown into the fire. (but escaped without even the smell of smoke)
Nebuchadnezzar is a type of Anti-Christ. They make you worship the image. All who don’t are thrown into the fire. This is something I wonder about post-Trib.
One thing for sure, God has a plan for His people.
Rukshan Subasinghe Agreed, also Noah and his family saved before the Flood.
When you let the scriptures speak, there is no Pre Trib.
You're quite right sir.
I'm a pan-triber! It is all in His perfect timing. Keep looking to Jesus and expect Him at any moment. In the mean time, proclaim the Good News.
It's interesting that you chose this small portion of his hours long lesson, where he provides solid Scriptural proof of a pre-trib rapture.
Agreed-he takes a small clip of Chuck upon the many hours of teachings Chuck has and then give himself more time to talk and do defend his side. So low!! I just came across his video looking for Chuck but I won’t waste my time here on his channel.
You are 100% incorrect the resurrection happens at the last day! Bible states last day last day last day the last day!
@@artifacthunter1472 guess you won’t be getting your crown in heaven for believing in our blessed hope. Good day to you!!
@@davidhall2197 What does cancel culture have to do with this video? I have the right in this comment section to voice my opinion. This man clearly took a minuscule clip from a deceased man who has hundred upon hundreds of hours of teachings....to prove his point and is not here to make a rebuttal. And I want others to be informed-is that so wrong?? Good day & many blessings to you my friend.
@@artifacthunter1472 Please give me the exact reference to "last day" in the Bible. The "last days" are referenced, but that is an epoch or season, not a particular day. Also, you can repeat a term like a broken record if you like - it doesn't prove any position wrong.
Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
We are family. One family in Christ. Brothers Chuck and Michael are in this same family of ours, all in Christ Jesus. We should never forget that, and ever be mindful of it when we make a post for others to read on the Internet. I love ALL members of my family.
Brother Chuck did a wonderful service for Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ during his years on this earth, as did his dear wife, Nancy. They were fantastic people who gave their lives to serving Our Lord. Brother Michael and his wife, also Nancy, have done precisely the same, and we should be able to respect both of these families for all they've done for us. I pray that God bless all them richly in the afterlife! I know that I can't repay either for all they've given me in teaching, for which I will be forever grateful. Having said that, I don't necessarily agree with either one on every point. I don't need to do that, and when I don't agree with either it doesn't change one bit my love and respect for them. We are all unique individuals and our thoughts are never going to be same on every detail of Scripture. But never should we make negative remarks about our own family simply because we disagree on an issue - a non-salvific issue at that. The whole world can read our posts.
It was my opinion that Brother Michael did a fantastic job in his opening remarks giving great respect to Brother Chuck. I've seen remarks here about this being done to a man who is dead and can't defend himself. True, and Dr. Brown took that into consideration. There are some other remarks stating that Dr. Brown should have debated Dr. Missler. Well, that would never have happened anyway because Dr. Missler refused to debate anyone, as those of us who were part of his audience can attest. He believed nothing good ever came from them and that they never really changed anyone's mind anyway. For those of us who “knew” him, I think it's safe to say that he would have said, “We are all one body. It's not a salvation issue, and Dr. Brown is my brother in the Lord, so what good could come of debating a fellow brother?” Then, he would have told a joke, laughed, and sincerely blessed Dr. Brown and family, and that would have been that. End of story.
I very, very much love and respect both Brother Michael and Brother Chuck! But let's please, please be careful with our wording because Chuck would never have wanted anyone to ever defend him with negative words towards his fellow brother in Christ Jesus. Please be careful and please honor his memory the way he would have wanted it honored: With agape.
Amen! You beautifully articulated how I understand the Bible as I've been studying it. I attend a church that teaches pre-trib rapture but I don't believe that teaching is correct. Thank you!!
I love Dr Brown and Uncle Chuck, excellent men!
We are going to meet Him in the air...not...on the Mt. of Olives. "We who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught UP in the clouds to meet the Lord in the AIR." How do you explain away this verse? The doctrine of Imminency is woven throughout the NT Scriptures. The early Believers were looking for Jesus to return in their lifetime. The return of Jesus is my Blessed Hope...Post Triber's are constantly trying to get those of us resting, waiting, and watching to lay aside OUR BLESSED HOPE!
Firstly, I would like to say that one should not levy false accusations, especially one as severe as saying that post-tribbers are trying to lull others into resting and laying aside the blessed hope. On to your main question: He actually addressed this verse directly in the video. He did not say that we met Christ on the Mount of Olives. He stated that we meet Him in the air and we descend with Him to the mount of Olives. Your emphasis in that passage is placed on the wrong words. If you do a word study on the word "meet" in the 1Thess4 passage, you find that it is the Greek word "apentesis" which is only used in two other instances in scripture. Both of those times it is used to describe a group leaving where they are to meet someone and then going with them to their destination. One occasion is in Matthew 25 when the virgins go out to meet (apentesis) the bridegroom and go with Him into the wedding feast. The only other occasion is in Acts 28, verses fourteen through sixteen, when Luke and Paul are traveling to Rome. The brethren within Rome go as far as the Appi forum and the three taverns (about 40 miles away) to meet (apentesis) Paul and Luke, and it isn't until verse 16 that they enter Rome. Again, this word always relates to going out to meet someone and then traveling with them to their destination. So, yes, we go "UP in the clouds to meet the Lord in the AIR"; then we descend with Him to the mount of Olives. Another key point of emphasis is on the word "coming". It is the Greek word "parousia" and refers to an arrival, specifically frome one place to another. In context, this even occurs when Christ comes from Heaven to Earth. I want to encourage you to delve deeper into your scriptural studies. It should not be enough to have biblically-based teaching; we should strive to have biblically sound teaching. I thank you for your time. Farewell.
@@dustinfordham4007 Respectfully, I did not levy any false accusations toward anyone. "I'd like to encourage you to delve deeper into your spiritual studies"...Why? Why did you feel the need to tell me this? There is no need to paint yourself as superior because I don't agree with the post-trib point of view. You have no clue as to my Bible background. You don't know anything about me, nor the years I spent putting myself through Bible College. Nor, do you know the countless hours I've spent pouring over my Bible...as a student, and...yes, as a teacher. So, before you encourage me to delve deeper and not yield to biblically-based teaching but strive to have biblically sound teaching...let me encourage you not to make blanket statements without knowing what you're talking about.
@@victoriankathy With all due respect, you said (and I quote), "Post Triber's are constantly trying to get those of us resting, waiting, and watching to lay aside OUR BLESSED HOPE!". This is a false accusation and, as previously mentioned, a fairly severe one. The fact is that people who hold to a post-tribulational view (generally speaking) simply want people to be aware that they may suffer for Christ, and that they should at the very least be prepared to do so. Also, I in no way intend to present myself as superior by any means. In as much as you assert that I don't know about you, so you also do not know me; and the fact is that I encourage everyone to delve deeper into their scriptural (not spiritual [I tend not to use that word often as it has many non-biblical connotations]) studies. That was in no way that directed as a slight toward you. It was exactly what I wrote it to be, an encouragement. I simply saw the question you raised, pointed out that it was already addressed in the video, and provided supplemental details which I do sincerely hope you will consider and look further into. I also hope you will look into the origins of the doctrine. As for striving for biblically sound teaching, I stand by that comment. It should never be the goal of the believer to have scripture on their side, but rather to be on the side of scripture. This is a true statement, regardless of one's background or doctrinal leanings. Thank you again for your time. Farewell.
@@dustinfordham4007 ...My point being...please don't infer that we who believe in a Pre-Trib rapture do not study or "delve" into the Scripture. This is a ludicrous conjecture. I believe without even trying, you have clearly substantiated my point! Pre-Trib. people are happy people...we are resting, waiting, and watching for our Blessed Hope! Brother Dustin...I love you and I will meet you in the air!
"Post Triber's are constantly trying to get those of us resting, waiting, and watching to lay aside OUR BLESSED HOPE!"
Sure looks (and sounds when I speak the words aloud) like an accusation to me.
Oh... and you spelled "Tribbers" with only one letter b. I believe that is also incorrect. :-)
You explained at the end why "bring them with Him" doesn't require the belief that the dead are in heaven but are in the graves awaiting the resurrection.
I am also so glad that you explained the ekklesia as you did.
People are so confused on that matter.
So strange, what some dispensational philosophies do to otherwise very wise and dedicated interpreters.
I learned much from Dr. Chuck Missler. However, he was a diehard promoter of John Nelson Darby's Two Peoples of God doctrine.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:18-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. Watch the RUclips videos "The New Covenant" by Bob George, and "New Covenant Theology Made Simple" by David H.J. Gay.
Jesus said when he would come as a thief Revelation 16 verse 15!
2 Thesselonians chapter 2 verse 3 man of perditiion must be revealed first.
I’d just like to say God Bless you and I appreciate videos like this...anything that keeps people talking about Jesus and reminding people of his love and what he did for us!! With that said...I would have much preferred you done this video while Dr Missler was with us...I’ve watched him in interviews and he goes much deeper than he did on that video clip you used. So I hope people read their bibles open their hearts and allow our helper and comforter to lead us!! He is coming...if not already here...we all should be looking up and praying and talking to lead more to him!!! God Bless
The tribulation is when christians will be killed:
Revelation 6: 9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The wrath of God comes immediately after the tribulation and is directed at NON Christians:
Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
I grew up pre-trib and went to a lot of Missler's teaching sessions, but even as a child it didn't sit right with me about what pre-trib theory taught. However I presumed that I was young and didn't understand the Bible all that well and so I trusted the teachers that I learned from.
However as an adult and I continued reading the Bible for myself and expanded my knowledge, I kept finding issues with pre-trib theory to the point that I needed to abandon it. I really cannot find a single passage in the Bible which supports it.
The best is Revelation 3:10, but this promise is given to just one church. Even if we say that the promise goes out to all churches and that these 7 churches were picked to serve as types of churches throughout all of history, we still have to ask, will only one type of church be raptured? Even though other churches in Revelation 2 and 3 are chastized, they are told that there are still some among them to be commended and told to persevere. Will they be excluded from the rapture? I don't think so.
The hour of trial spoken of here that is coming upon the whole world should be compared with other scripture to conclude what it is. Even if it's a promise to be raptured, which is not directly promised, just protection from the hour of trial through "some" method, we still see that this protection seems to apply to protection from the Day of the Lord. I would look at Luke 21:34-36 where there is mention of the day which arrives like a snare and how there is an escape for those found worthy. But verse 35 mentions that this snare is coming "upon the whole world." It has identical language as Revelation 3:10. There is an hour of trial or snare which is coming upon the whole world. Revelation 14:7 also talks about the "hour of judgment" which is coming. It likewise would be coming in conjunction with the arrival of the Son of Man in the clouds which we see just a few verses later in Revelation 14:14. This harvest performed by the Son of Man here obviously matches up well with Matthew 24:30-31, Luke 21:25-28, and Mark 13:24-27. This would be the "escape" which corresponds with the gathering of the elect and the "rest" which is promised in 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10 when Jesus is revealed from heaven with mighty angels in flaming fire to take vengeance.
It's important to note that 2nd Thessalonians is written to church age gentile Thessalonians and not Jews or tribulation saints as some would say are the ones that these promises and warnings are given to. I've heard so many times that Matthew 24 is written to just Jews and tribulation saints who come to faith after the pre-trib rapture has taken place. But then does Paul not think that these Thessalonians he's writing to here will take part in that pre-trib rapture? Why is he telling them that they will not receive their rest until the Day of the Lord when Jesus is revealed from heaven in flaming fire with vengeance?
The Gospels are written to JEWS and their future and not the Church.
The church and the rapture were unknown at that time.
The Mystery of the rapture was revealed to us by PAUL after the ascension of Jesus.
Dr. Brown is taking Scripture out of context as to whom it is addressed.
Amen!
Yes! And apparently not doing as commanded by 2 Timothy 2:15.
Mr. Brown also says that Dispensationalists are wrong, BUT, here it is in scripture-
“that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth-in Him.”
Ephesians 1:10
“if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,”
Ephesians 3:2
People not studying scripture as they’re commanded and handling it haphazardly, twisting, perverting it.
Dr. Brown,
“Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
II Timothy 2:15
RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH!
@@daughterofaking7004 There seem to be a huge topic of the 3 days of darkness on the Internet.
Can you give me any thoughts on how to disprove this new teaching.
We are of the light. We look forward to Jesus' being caught up
and not 3 days of darkness. Comparing darkness and rapture seems to me to be wrong.
Bill Rundell Let me get back to you on this, I’m a little confused to what you are referring.
Bill Rundell Oh, wait, do you mean when scripture is talking about us, the children of God, are not of the darkness?
If anyone looked objectively they would see that Pre-trib has assumptions not in scripture, changes the order of events, and nulifies the scripure. Post-trib is mostly comparing actual scripture with scripture in harmony and the order of events stays true with no contradictions.
I wish Dr Chuck Missler was here to debate with Dr Michael Brown. I love and respect both men plus I believe it would have been an awesome debate. There's more to the video that Dr. Brown was responding to.
MrThaKrane Chuck didn’t believe in debates. He thought he was prone to pride when participating in a debate.
As someone who's learned from both, let me just say this isn't Chuck vs Mike it's about which view is correct, and having said this Mike's view definitely align with scripture much better. Also scripture tells us Christ will have only two comings not 3.
Best OT picture is Israel’s exodus from Egypt. God covered Israel through the tribulations brought upon Egypt. The Lord the brought Israel out only AFTER Passover. We, who remain faithful, will be brought out after all these birth pangs come to pass. I believe many will fall away from the faith because of the tribulations to come.
The Lion and his lamb are there not nations, tribes, peoples and tongues, dead in Christ now?
If the rapture is pre-trib, this is the only event not echoed in the Old Testament.
The Lion and his lamb , however, “the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not a God of the dead, but of the living.” Are we yet not understanding the scripture nor the power of God? Clearly, is not as clearly as you think. Dead to us is not, nor ever has been, dead to God.
Then how was an “non-resurrected” rich man talking to God about an non-resurrected Lazarus resting with a non-resurrected Abraham concerning living relatives?
It doesn’t appear we have the puzzle pieces quite together yet.
If we are gone before the tribulations, Glory to God! Still, what have tribulations been for in the past but to bring repentance? If the church is gone, how are the wheat and the weeds harvested together?
Bless you brother, I want to be prepared for either scenario.
The Lion and his lamb So, how do you explain this away? Clearly! Especially Vs 5.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Both sides have good arguments. My one question for post trib would be, who would be left if Christ arrives then? The few who barely survived by running and hiding
The bible says that humans will survive Gentiles and Jews, so do not worry, the Lord is in charge and it will be so, has nothing to do with the Rapture of Post-trib.
A 'Chuck/ Brown' debate (2 way communication) would have been useful here....
Oh I so agree
What a great analysis. God bless! 😍