Thank you Rabbis Brown and Blumenthal. I was raised by a Jewish mother who sent me to an Orthodox Hebrew day school from age 5-12. My father’s family are Christian and disowned us. I had a deep distrust and disdain for Christianity as a result of this rejection which was exacerbated by other antisemitic experiences. I fell away from Judaism and ended up in the new age for 20 years. I finally reached a low point where I cried out to God to please show me the truth, that I was done rebelling and God led me directly to Jesus both materially and supernaturally. A lifetime of anxiety, depression, unworthiness, judgment of self and others was lifted. I was unable to do any bit of this myself and Orthodox and Reform Judaism did not ever heal my heart nor change my ways. The Church has absolutely given Jews many reasons to run far away from Yeshua and this is sadly not a reflection of our Jewish messiah but of human corruption and lack of adherence to his teachings. For my Jewish family, I love you so much. Forget the Rabbis and the Christian Pastors and humble yourselves, ask God directly to show you the truth ❤
Me, turned away from my upbringing in Christianity for 27 years, when I asked the question....Jesus did you really walk this earth? Then God answered me by sending a man, led by the Spirit, to say to me....yes, and His Hebrew name is Yeshua.
Thank you both for your honesty, fortitude and experiences. There is yet Hope for those who persecutes, disbelieve and reject Christ because of our belief in Him.
Respect for rabbi Blumenthal. The fact that he agreed to engage in this discussion means he's a truth seeker. I pray that he has a Saul like revelation on the road to Damascus. He was in a similar situation.
This was a wonderful conversation. I appreciate the kindness Rabbi Blumenthal and Dr. Brown displayed in firmly holding their positions yet disagreeing in a charitable way for the enrichement of the viewers.
When The rabbi said he threw many knockouts punches but you never fell down, I laughed so hard, good discussion I hope God opens the Jewish people’s eyes.
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6
Isaiah 9:6..... Mistranslation ..... Trinitarians should admit that this verse is translated improperly just from the fact that Jesus is never called the “Everlasting Father” anywhere else in Scripture.
@@Truth-f2qbut infact man cannot become God, thats blasphemy, or this verse suggested that we are an idol worshipper. Jesus Christ is the Word Of God became flesh. Since He is the Word Of God mean that He Himself is part of God the father. Whatever God commanded Jesus is the once who spoke. They acts in harmony.
@@Truth-f2qdo you mean “mistranslated” as “misunderstood”? Because that’s not simply from texts written after Jesus, that’s translated from the Septuagint and in the Hebrew text found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
I can’t adequately express my gratitude to both of you for the calmness and respect you both demonstrated in this discussion. Many, many thanks for this!
Thank you Rabbi Blumenthal for using this method to get responses from Dr. Brown. I appreciate it so very much. I am a gentile and you have shown the light of the God of Israel in this video. Thank you for asking these questions, and providing the opportunity for Dr. Brown to respond. I am glad I was able to hear Dr. Browns responses, yet disappointed that he did not address your questions directly or clearly, but rather “beat around the bush” and went down other “paths” to avoid the questions/answers the entire time. Thank you sincerely.
Dr. Brown - I am so very deeply moved and grateful for this exchange. What a special blessing this conversation is for us now and especially for the future. Baruch HaShem, this is love. This is the example of how Messianics and Jewish Rabbi's come together in honest dialog. Adonai bless Rabbi Blumenthal and Dr. Michael L. Brown.
I have to say. THIS is the type of long video sit-down that I love. Something not rushed but expanded on. You shine well in settings like this, Dr. Brown.
What a beautiful authentic loving exchange! That is the way all exchanges should be! With open hearts and not to win a debate. Thank you so much for your beautiful heart Rabbi Blumenthal! I have rarely seen a traditional Rabbi carry on such a deep complex differences with such patience, love and knowledge and effort to come closer to Adonai and truth. Thank you Dr. Brown for hosting and bringing forth this exchange. Adonai bless you both and keep you both. Praying for our beloved Israel and pur precious heroes in the IDF! 🙏🙏🙏
Towards the beginning of this video, I was not convinced that this Rabbi was interested in hearing and engaging in good faith with the Christian perspective, but as the video went on, I became much more impressed. My genuine prayer is that this conversation can be a catalyst for our Jewish brothers to come to know the saving grace and redemption of our Lord and Saviour, Yeshua Hamashiach.
Rabbi Tovia Singer should learn how to have such a dialogue like that to bring peace but leave it to the listener to seek truth themselves..Excellent dialogue with respect. 🙏🙏🙏
This is excellent. I'm going through this piece by piece, but I want to thank Dr. Michael Brown & Rabbi Blumenthal for sitting down together & having this dialogue/discussion.
@ALPONYC No that isn't correct. That prophecy was fulfilled once the Jews/Israelites left Egypt. There was no future prophecy to be fulfilled after that. According to Orthodox Jews God calculated the bandage from the time when Isaac was born until Moses took them out of Egypt. Instead of being in Egypt for 400 or 430 years the Israelites were only in Egypt for 210 years. Rashi does the whole calculation from the time Jacob moved down into Egypt in Goshen and counts the generations by name including the ages they lived too, offspring etc. The Torah gives a list of names. Why does the Torah say 430 in one place & 400 in another? Because 30 years lapsed between the prophecy God made with Abraham & another prophecy God repeated when Isaac was born. The count begins 400 years of being in any land not our own. Canaan was not our own until God delivered the Canaanites into our land and God said to the Israelites I will give you the land I swore by oath to your forefathers. Thus proven the oath hadn't been fulfill yet.
@ALPONYC If you minus 400-210 you find that they rest of the time the Israelites were in Canaan or moved around e.g. see the life of Jacob & his travels. The 400 didn't need to be enslaved in Egypt. It was just a prophecy of exile.
@ALPONYCIn Christianity there is no sacrifice for sin because JC is the last & final blood sacrifice. In Judaism we don't believe the gentiles have to suffer because of us. There are two different covenants. For gentiles their covenant is the covenant made with Prophet Noah & the 7 Noahide Laws. America isn't mentioned in the bible. Persia is, Babylon is but America is absent.
Jesus asks Peter, who do you say that I Am? When Peter correctly declares Him to be The Messiah, Jesus tells him to not think himself smarter or better than the others because this revelation is a gift from God. Praise God for His revealing Himself to us believers and keep the others in prayer as there is no intellectual revelation outside of a spiritual one first. Thank you Dr Brown as your answers may be unintelligible to this Rabbi but to someone in the audience it could be life changing.
The word "Messiah" means anointed. When Jesus was alive he was never anointed. The Messiah is a king. When Jesus was alive he was never a king. The Messiah must fulfill prophecies like gathering all Jews back to the land of Israel, rebuilding the Third Temple, ending all war, hatred, and famine, establishing world wide peace, bringing the dead back to life, etc. None of which Jesus accomplished. In Tanakh, no such concept of a second coming exists. Every time the prophets speak of the Messianic era they're always referring to the same time period, which is after the end of days. Two thousand years ago was not the end of days because here we are two thousand years later. The prophets never mention the Messiah coming early, being killed, and then coming back in the future. The Messiah must also be a direct descendant of King David through his father's lineage. According to the new testament, Jesus had no biological father. It claims he was born of a virgin. In that case, how does he descend from King David through his father if he had no father? We'll set aside the fact that a virgin birth is not a Jewish concept. It's strictly a pagan concept. But for the sake of argument, we'll set that aside. Well then, if Jesus was really born of a virgin, how does he descend from King David through his father? Some Christians have tried to claim that Joseph descended from King David and he adopted Jesus. The problem is adoption does not pass on tribal lineage. We know this using the 24 books of the Bible. If a Cohen adopts a child, that child does not become a Cohen. If a Levite adopts a child, that child does not become a Levite. Whatever tribe a man is from he could never pass on his lineage to an adopted child. Then some Christians try to claim that Jesus' mother Mary descended from King David. There are two problems with this claim. First problem is tribal lineage only goes through the father, not the mother. Whether the mother descends from King David or not is irrelevant, it's specifically through the father that the Messiah will descend from King David. Second problem is, even if the Christian wants to ignore the fact that tribal lineage only goes through the father, not the mother, and insist that Jesus descended from King David through his mother, according to the new testament, Mary descended from King David through his son Nathan. We know that the Messiah will descend from King David through his son Solomon. So this would mean that Jesus descended from King David through his son Nathan, the wrong son. But the first thing I want to do is prove the Torah true. If I can prove the Torah to be true I can automatically disprove Christianity. The Torah is the only religious book in the history of the world where an entire nation saw the miracles in Egypt, saw the splitting of the sea, walked out of Egypt, and heard G-d speak at Mount Sinai. It's the only religion where all of it's people received prophecy hearing the first two commandments of G-d. There is no other book in history that makes this same claim. If you look at every other religion, they all make claims that cannot be proven. For example in Christianity, it says that Jesus was born of a virgin. How can anyone prove this? How is it even possible to prove a virgin birth? You can't, you just have to accept it on blind faith. Christianity says that Jesus died for the sins of the world. How can anyone prove this? This is another claim that you must accept on blind faith. Islam says Muhammed received the Quran from the angel Gabriel. Not even one witness to the story. How can anyone prove this? This is yet another claim you must accept on blind faith. According to Buddhism, Buddha saw the light. How can anyone prove this? According to Greek Mythology Zeus flew over the bay? How can anyone prove this? And if you keep going through every single religion out there they all make claims that cannot be proven. That's why a Jew would never waste his time with any other religion, because we know that all of them make claims that cannot be proven. Once you have a religion where none of it's claims can be proven true, don't waste one more second with that religion, throw that religion away. Because that is every religion on the planet except for Judaism. Judaism is the only religion that is verifiable historical fact. It is because of the Exodus of Egypt that we know the entire Torah is true. Had the Exodus not occurred we would have no way to know if the Torah is real. We know that everything that came before the Exodus, like Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, are true because of the Exodus where we all walked out of Egypt and heard G-d speak to us, and we saw Moses as our leader, writing down everything G-d told him to write.
@@jacobmaya526 You are arguing from a worldly desire to preserve your so-called 'special inheritance', and in order to do so, you may be casting out the truth. "Better that one man die, than a whole nation perish!" Set aside the Christian claims for a moment, and ask yourself whether rabbinical Judaism is even still valid, on its own terms (ie the promises and laws given to Abraham and Moses, and the prophets)? God is the final judge of each soul. Fear the Lord.
@@Louis.R What truth did I cast out? Yes Rabbinical Judaism is still valid as it was for thousands of years. The Jewish position has been clear and consistent. Christianity is what came and changed everything around and redefined the idea of Messiah. Can you just answer me this: Is there any proof that Jesus was born of a virgin and is there any proof that he died for the sins of the world?
@@jacobmaya526 No Temple? No priesthood? No sacrifices? Is there any proof that Moses' staff turned into a serpent, or that God parted the seas? "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." If you sincerely seek the truth, *including the truth of the Hebrew prophets and miracles which preceded Jesus,* I strongly recommend you read "I See Satan Fall Like Lightning" by Rene Girard, and the works of Augustine. Good luck, blood brother.
The very first thing Hashem tells the Jewish people on Mt Sinai is "I am, the god who took you out of the land of egypt". Do you think he was just kidding and would wait 2000 years to straighten that verse out and he really meant Jesus took them out of egypt?
@@1g1d1wYeshua it's Hashem. John chapter 8 verse 37 to 58. Yeshua is Adonai who meet and spoke with Abraham. Hashem took a human nature and lived among us as the Son of God.
Rabbi Blumenthal did a great job. I am glad this turned out to be a respectful and thoughtful conversation. This should be a blueprint for such difficult conversations.
1. Rabbi Blumenthal is an extremely brilliant man. 2. He is also very open and honest, unlike Rabbi Zinger for example 3. His willingness to engage in dialogue is beautiful 4. May God open his eyes to see the Love of Messiah to him. 5. Just imagine what would happen when all the Jews preach the true Gospel!
@@Thedunguen9999 9 Astonish yourselves and be astonished; blind yourselves and be blind! Be drunk, but not with wine; stagger, but not with strong drink! 10 For the Lord has poured out upon you a spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes (the prophets), and covered your heads (the seers). 11 And the vision of all this has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed. When men give it to one who can read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot, for it is sealed.” 12 And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.” Is 29:9-12
@@Thedunguen9999 The Temple no longer exists. Some of your sins are not being atoned for for the last nearly 2000 years. And you think the Goyim are in even more darkness. What is Adonai waiting for in your opinion, without sending more prophets?
Thank you so much for you and Rabbi Blumenthol. I’ve learned so much from Rabbi & do appreciate the wisdom and experience he share. My family has been so in knoweledgeable of God and his ways
Very interesting conversation, and i understand both sides. After becoming a christian, read about what so called christians did to the Jews, their suffering and listening to some of the teachings of the church about the rapture, mark of the beast and tribulation of the Jews again etc, I said if i were a Jew, Jesus would have to personally reveal himself to me before i endorse christianity. Moreover it is their history, yet some persons are trying to interpret it to suite their narative. Dr Brown you are my favourite Jewish bible teacher. Continue the excellent work. God is not concern about the flesh but the spirit and soul. Gensis 6:3, John 3:6 He sent Jesus to redeem the spiritual man clothe in the fleshly body that returns to dust after death. Our spirit relates to God while the soul to our mind, will and emotions, David asked God to renew his spirit and speak to his soul to hope in God.
Very good discussion. Both sides were very civil and cordial. I think overall Dr. Brown answered the questions very well and would like to see another discussion like this in the future. I sincerely hope Mr. Blumenthal may come to the understanding of us Christians from the Biblical perspective and not from a superficial view of certain church traditions. More than all may he come to Christ Jesus who is none other than the Prince of Peace Himself. Blessings.
I pray Messiah opens there eyes and ears so they may see and hear that the one who Gives life is Hashem and His name is Yeshua. Glory to He who was dead and lives forever!!
Dr. Brown I tip my hat to you. Excellent question at 1:31:08 The response that followed from Rabbi Blementhal is underwhelming. It indicates a shallowness of understanding of the depth of what sin is, how much of an offense it is to God. The sins of apostasy, Satan worship, murder for example are much more egregious than what Adam and Eve did, and yet that single act of disobedience broke human nature forever. So the idea that temporal restitution devoid of a Yom Kippur, Temple sacrifice somehow atones for the eternal offense against God, is severely lacking in recognition of what sin is and how atonement works.
@@alfapaul5593With all due respect, slaughtering anyone goes against the teachings of Jesus. I use to claim Christianity myself before I truly knew the truth in Christ. I was far from being a real Christian. Hitler wasn't even close to being a Christian. He hated Jews and Jesus was Jewish so why would he come to Christ? Jesus Christ even said to love your enemies. I hope you read the New Testament and see what it actually teaches and not just follow what others say about our scriptures or about us. Blessings.
If Hitler was a citizen of Saudi Arabia you will agreed that he was a Muslim. By please read Luke 19:27 us and give us what Jesus exactly saying there.
@@Why-p9n If Hitler was a citizen of Saudi Arabia you will agreed that he was a Muslim. By the way please read Luke 19:27 us and give us what Jesus exactly saying there.
@@alfapaul5593 Please you have a misunderstanding of this verse in the Scriptures. This is why I would prefer if you take it up with God and read the whole New Testament for yourself not just one book,verse or chapter. But that verse is not a command but a parable and has to do with the return of Christ and the Judgement of God on the day of judgement. When Jesus returns He will destroy the wicked and reward the righteous. Jesus spoke often in parables. I suppose the difference would be its part of Islamic teaching since their book literally commands to go fight against disbelievers. If someone from the people of the book (Jews or Christians) don't wish to become a Muslim and runs into an Islamic controlled region or force they might get the option to pay the Jizya (a form of tax) else if they refuse they will unalive them. (Quran 9:5, 9:29, 98:6)
Lord, we ask You to transform this Rabbi. We love him deeply but he needs You to reveal Y’Shua to him. Open his heart and eyes. In the highest name of Jesus. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🙏🙏🙏
God bless you both, gentlemen. May God be glorified in the end. Thank you brother Dr. Brown for conducting this. All the best and every blessing. Shalom.
I’m only in 5 minutes & I’m already on board with the Rabbi. I really appreciate him saying, let’s not debate, but let’s look at the passages together. I love & bless Israel & the Jewish people. The Jewish people need a blood sacrifice for atonement of their sins. May their eyes be opened to see Yeshua as their Jewish messiah & The Lamb’s (Yeshua) blood 🩸 sacrifice for their redemption.🕎✝️💙🇮🇱
Jesus spoke accurately about the contemperanous Jewish religious leadership who inundated and burdened the common man with endless sets of dos and don'ts. Evidently this holds true even today. Mordern day Rabbis are so enthralled in legalities of the law that they ignore the essence of it that bring us nearer to God. It was truly exhausting listening to the Rabbi, however Dr. Brown made an excellent case for the Messiah Jesus. I'm glad that Our Lord gave us an easier way.... himself. *Matthew 11:28-30* 28 _“....Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light....”_
46:18 Third Question : Atonement As a Christian, the rabbi's insistence on minimizing the atonement, and maximizing his works, helped me see my error, and really edified me. I may have turned a corner.
I want to both thank and congratulate Dr. Brown and Rabbi Blumenthal for this outstanding video! I listened from beginning to end due to the importance and quality of this conversation. I have seriously studied both Christianity and Judaism for decades now. My experience has been that like a dysfunctional father and son, both religions do not truly understand one another beyond superficial assumptions. Like a disappointed father and son with different viewpoints, they communicate poorly and normally misunderstand each other to the point of even alienation. This might be the first time that I have heard a conversation where there is an intelligent, cordial, respectful effort for representatives of these religions to actually hear and understand one another. I look forward to more conversations like this one. A panel format might even be more helpful. Dr. Brown, You asked for feedback, so I will give you one specific concern. Your explanation of how you worship the One G-d of Israel while identifying Yeshua as also worthy of our worship due to his uniqueness, simply doesn't make sense to me. My long experience as a Christian was that we prayed to and worshipped both Yeshua and his Holy Spirit along with the Father. Yes, I thought I was still somehow worshipping the One G-d, but I finally had to stop, realizing that I was being inconsistent with the word of G-d as a whole and even with the testimony of Yeshua in the gospels and several parts of the New Testament. Could G-d demand the honoring of Messiah? Sure. Did G-d expect that we WORSHIP any Messiah AS G-d? In my humble opinion, that remains a severe contradiction just too difficult to resolve for Christianity. I believe that you wouldn't commit idolatry intentionally, but your explanation to the Rabbi of why you should worship Yeshua, especially being a Jew, remains very unconvincing for me. My deepest respects to both of you, fine gentlemen. I hope the public conversation between both of you continues for our learning. Shalom, shalom.
Thank you Rabbi! You make His word so clear and what you say reflects the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob!❤ Praise His word in the original text. Translations had and have an agenda. Blessings.
I respect Rabbi Blumenthal, But He said that the visitors of Abraham were three angels. This is adding to the word of God. The visitors were God and two angels, NOT Three angels, There’s no angel; His name is Hashem. Period.
The scripture says YHWH appeared to Abraham in the form of 3 men. The Father spoke with Abraham and sent 2 messengers in form of Angels, before they appeared as 2 men. Gen 19:24 says one of the angels (messangers) is also YHWH.
@@benny-yj7pq Where are the words "YHWH appeared in the form of three men"? Genesis 18:1-3 KJV - 1 *And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre:* and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 *And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him:* and when he saw [them], he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
@@alisterrebelo9013in chapter 19 two of the men go to sodom and Gomorrah. The other one stays behind and then when he makes it rain down fire and brimstone over sodom and Gomorrah , then he is called יהוה . וַיהוָה, הִמְטִיר עַל-סְדֹם וְעַל-עֲמֹרָה--גָּפְרִית וָאֵשׁ: מֵאֵת יְהוָה, מִן-הַשָּׁמָיִם. Adonai is mentioned being in two places at the same time. On earth and in heaven. The literal translation reads: And the LORD caused to rain over sodom and over Gomorrah Brimstone and fire, from the LORD from heaven. So the man talking to Abraham is hashem in the flesh.
What saddens me the most is that the destruction of the Second Temple, prophecised by Daniel instead of causing Rabbinic Judaism to question their presuppositions about their understanding of the Messiah, instead causes them to reinterpret God's word to suit their presuppositions. What even more sad is that they will not engage with the historicity of the events of the NT, let alone the person of Jesus described in the Gospels. How can one declare someone a false Messiah without even considering the historical evidence for the Ressurection?
It's taboo to even speak of Jesus in hardcore Jewish families and religious groups. They are so afraid of him and see accepting him as one of the worst things a person can do. It truly is sad.
@@TR13400 I was once debating a Jewish man online on Psalm 110, about the identity of Kind David's two Lords. We politely went back and forth examining all the possibilities and he went completely silent when it became clear that David is identifying the unknown person as "Adonai" (only used for YHWH in the Old Testament) and the other Lord is clearly YHWH the Father. My parting message to the man was to pray and ask God to confirm if I am right or not. He never replied back. Why are people who say they follow God afraid to ask God to show them the truth?
Dr Michael Brown - The Lord has used you to be such an incredible blessing to all of us! The Rabbi is not in your studio by accident - Yeshua loves him too!
@@ChrisNeal-v3w Hi Chris, You are right --it was an arranged meeting. But I believe the Jewish Messiah is revealing himself to the Rabbi, and he didn't expect anything of the sort. The Lord bless you.
the manner in which the Rabbi is arguing seems to indicate that he's conceding coherence between the New Testament and the Tanakh, instead, relying more on oral traditions than the written Word of God. great conversation!
What blinders? The jewish wrote the Torah, they invented the term Messiah, they specifically wrote what he would do, Jesus did none of the things the Torah tells us he would do. God gives them the torah and says to be a nation of priest. They teach the same message and christians teach another message. Who has blinders on?
@@promagnumanso u are saying that the apostles and Paul were wrong. Most of them were Jews. Paul highly learned. they say Jesus is the Messiah. Just remember it was these Jews first and foremost that said he was the Messiah. Jews who believed in the Torah.
My understanding of Yom Kippur: On Yom Kippur, the bull sacrificed for the High Priest’s sins highlights that even though the High Priest is called Mashiach, he is not the final Mashiach because he, too, needs atonement. The ram offered as a burnt offering connects to the story of Abraham and Isaac, representing a temporary atonement and pointing forward to the true Mashiach who will ultimately take Isaac’s place. The two goats, one sacrificed and one sent away as the scapegoat, symbolize the future Mashiach's role. The scapegoat bears sins but escapes judgment, while the sacrificed goat represents the ultimate fulfillment of atonement.
I see more than that: the sacrificed goat shows our sins are forgiven! We are justified by His death. The scapegoat shows that we need sanctification… we need to confess our sins to the our Saviour, Who daily bears our burdens [Psalm 68:1], and be sanctified by His Presence abiding in us, as we live out the rest of our days on this Earth.
Yes, I agree! I’ve been worshipping God through Jesus all my life and yet have never understood a positive reason for communal prayer before. Thankyou, Rabbi
"one community is wrong the one that has cut off Gods redemptive work to the nations is the wrong one, and the one that seems to continue through the messiah is the right one"
I really liked the conversation. I've been really focused on understanding the Old Testament better and having a heart for the Jewish people. It was really wonderful to see how you explained Jesus and atonement through the lens of a Jew to a Jew. It's not that I haven't heard some of this before but I really needed to hear more. Also, the explanation of the idol worship in Catholic church really was helpful from Jewish lens. Thank you and please thank Rabbi Blumenthal for being willing to talk on your show. I'm a gentile evangelical believer who understands God loves and weeps over His covenantal people. This blessed me even though I felt Rabbis was a bit tense at times, I am glad he came on. I wanted to learn more from practicing Jewish ppl why turned off from Jesus.
Conceding on statues or icons is a partial or possibly complete self-own on the Incarnation. The eternal Word incarnating into a flesh body which is itself an icon or image of the living God, Col 1:15. The flesh body is a created thing, like a statue or icon. The difference being no Catholic or Orthodox believes Jesus the eternal Word is truly present in the statue or icon, unlike the created flesh body of Jesus which DOES contain the fullness of deity, Col 2:9. Therefore what is being offered (veneration) is less than worship reserved for God alone. The way both men read Deuteronomy 4 would be a contradiction the moment Jesus is conceived into a created body, as Jesus himself breaks Deuteronomy 4, by making a created image of the living God. One way to resolve this to understand Deuteronomy 4 as explicitly banning the creation and WORSHIP (reserved to God alone) of things that are NOT ACTUALLY God. But guess what, Jesus IS GOD, so he's not actually breaking Deuteronomy 4, by Incarnating, and Thomas is not violating Deuteronomy 4 as he is worshipping that which is truly God.
The word זבח clearly has to do with sacrifices as does the word מזבח (altar or place of sacrifices). To say that the word means "fellowship with G-d" as Rabbi Blumenthat did at the 1:04:03 point of the video, without including the sacrifices to achieve that fellowship, seems quite a stretch. The fellowship and right-standing is achieved through the sacrifices.
When Rabbi B. Dosnt like/agree wtih Dr. Brown’s answers, he claims that Dr. B doesn’t understand the question, even though it’s not the case. This bothered me
Thank you both Rabbi Blumenthal and our relative in Jesus Dr. Michael Brown for providing different perspectives we need to hear about both sides' faith.
I haven't heard the whole conversation, but it seems a lot of what he says they're wanting would occur through the Holy Spirit. But great conversation.
Payment for SIN requires blood sacrifice, death. At the time of the first and second temples; the Holy of Hollies used to be separated from humankind by a thick curtain. Why? Well God could not have any fellowship with man due to our fallen nature. So God needed the curtain that kept God and man apart until Jesus paid for our sins. To say that payment for sins isn’t needed man to redeem himself/herself in the eyes of God is simply a cheap way to try to get away from the need of Jesus sacrifice which ripped the curtain apart when he completed the ultimate sacrifice. Meaning; now man has direct access to God. Jewish, Muslims and others who do not believe in Jesus can’t have fellowship with God.
Dr. Brown I rightly criticize you for your theology on gifts of The Spirit and giving platform to false teachers but you did a wonderful job here. Praise God!
The Christian Bible is pretty clear, even "Christian" Jews are supposed to remain Jewish in tradition and culture. The world needs them in the end days.
3:44:44 forgive me for blowing up your comment section, but I know that God says somewhere in the OldTestament, to repent and turn our hearts to him and he will give us a new heart and a new spirit… I believe this is testimony stating that we cannot achieve this through our own works, but that we have to submit to our one true God ❤
Ezekiel 36:22-28 (ESV) 22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord GOD: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came. 23 And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes. 24 I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. 28 You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Blumenthal tried to make something that is explicitly clear in scripture (that Jesus is the Messiah, and one must believe in Him for salvation) out to be something that is vague. "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” - Jesus (John 8:24)
For those who didn't tune in from the beginning, please understand that Rabbi Blumenthal was not here to debate me. He wanted to get responses to questions he has asked in writing over the years that I have not had the opportunity to respond to with the plan to post his responses to me in the future. As the dialogue unfolded, he ended up sharing more of his viewpoints, but again, this was NOT a debate, and his failure to answer me was by his design, since he wanted time to reflect and then answer accordingly. May God's love and truth prevail!
I am an ex catholic and disagree with you on Jesus. My compliments to you for doing this and for the way you are treating this by giving links to the Rabbis word press website. You certainly are open minded and do not censor others with different points of view.
*As the Tanach (the OT) tells us God forgave even without blood, be those gentiles (Ninve), Israelites (the exiles that returned from Babylon) and individuals as well (King Menaseh who repented in exile and was restored to his former kingship) - Hebrew's **9:22** and Christianity in whole are lies.* _______________________________________________ *Let me show you how it was always done, regardless if there is a temple or there isn't one, keep in mind that Ezekiel wrote while he was in exile when there was no temple but Isaiah wrote while the first temple was still very much in use, so you will clearly see that this is to be followed at any given time.* *Leviticus 26:* 38 You will become lost among the nations, and the land of your enemies will consume you. 39 And because of their iniquity, those of you who survive will rot away in the lands of your enemies; moreover, they will rot away because the iniquities of their fathers are still within them. 40 ***They will then confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers their betrayal that they dealt Me, and that they also treated Me as happenstance.*** 41 Then I too, will treat them as happenstance and bring them [back while] in the land of their enemies. If then, their clogged heart becomes humbled, then, [their sufferings] ***will gain appeasement for their iniquity,*** 42 and I will remember My covenant [with] Jacob, and also My covenant [with] Isaac, and also My covenant [with] Abraham I will remember. And I will remember the Land, 43 [For] the Land will be bereft of them, appeasing its sabbaticals when it had been desolate of them, and they will gain appeasement for their iniquity. This was all in retribution for their having despised My ordinances and in retribution for their having rejected My statutes. 44 *""But despite all this, while they are in the land of their enemies, I will not despise them nor will I reject them to annihilate them, thereby breaking My covenant that is with them, for I am the Lord their God.*** 45I will remember for them the covenant [made with] the ancestors, whom I took out from the land of Egypt before the eyes of the nations, to be a God to them. I am the Lord. *See what God truly said about His forgiveness.* *Isaiah 55:7-9* Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts. *Let them turn to the Lord,* and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will *freely pardon.* (!!!!) 8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord 9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. *(you were taught these two verses, but you were never taught they speak of God's forgiveness, I'm sure, those three verses go together!).* *Read the interpretation:* *For My thoughts are not your thoughts:* Mine and yours are not the same; therefore, I say to you, “The wicked shall give up his way,” and adopt My way… My laws are not like the laws of man [lit. flesh and blood]. *As for you, whoever confesses in judgment is found guilty, but, as for Me, whoever confesses and gives up his evil way, is granted clemency (Proverbs 28:13).* *Ezekiel 18:21-23* “But if a wicked person *turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right,* that person will surely live; they will not die. 22 *None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them*. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. 23 *Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?* *Also see Ezekiel 33* 11 Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’ ... 14 And if I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ *but they then turn away from their sin and do what is just and right- 15 if they give back what they took in pledge for a loan, return what they have stolen, follow the decrees that give life, and do no evil-that person will surely live; they will not die. 16 None of the sins that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live.* *God has no need for blood to forgive.* You really think God cannot forgive without shedding of blood?? How were the people of Ninveh saved?? No sacrifices, repentance is the key. _______________________________________________ If we fail, we repent to God, try to make amends if that is possible, and try to adhere to the law better. Doing or giving charity or any good deed will also prove to God of your ernest intentions (you'll find that part in Daniel). _______________________________________________ *Now tell me is the God of Israel the same as all other God's who's forgivness relies on blood of humans, like any other PAGAN GODS ??* *Is he 'unable' to forgive without blood ???* *Who is the more compassionate God? the God of Israel who FREELY FORGIVES (!) or the Christian god who demands human sacrefice to do so??* Who belittles God, Judiasm or Christianity?
*The 70 weeks prophecy has nothing to do with MBD.* *MBD will only come at the end of days after many days without a king, a temple and prophecy:* *Hosea 3:4-5:* 4 *For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or household gods.* 5 *Afterward* the Israelites will return and seek the Lord their God *and David their king.* They will come trembling to the Lord and to his blessings *in the last days.*
Thank you Dr.M Brown. This rabbi shows absolutely no character with his stipulations. Here's the difference between religion and faith. Rabbi needs time to get thoughts together and saints have the indwelling of the Ruach Hakodesh for Truth. "For He will give you a mouth and wisdom that your adversaries will not about to gainsay nor ignore."
Thank you Rabbis Brown and Blumenthal. I was raised by a Jewish mother who sent me to an Orthodox Hebrew day school from age 5-12. My father’s family are Christian and disowned us. I had a deep distrust and disdain for Christianity as a result of this rejection which was exacerbated by other antisemitic experiences. I fell away from Judaism and ended up in the new age for 20 years. I finally reached a low point where I cried out to God to please show me the truth, that I was done rebelling and God led me directly to Jesus both materially and supernaturally. A lifetime of anxiety, depression, unworthiness, judgment of self and others was lifted. I was unable to do any bit of this myself and Orthodox and Reform Judaism did not ever heal my heart nor change my ways. The Church has absolutely given Jews many reasons to run far away from Yeshua and this is sadly not a reflection of our Jewish messiah but of human corruption and lack of adherence to his teachings. For my Jewish family, I love you so much. Forget the Rabbis and the Christian Pastors and humble yourselves, ask God directly to show you the truth ❤
Me, turned away from my upbringing in Christianity for 27 years, when I asked the question....Jesus did you really walk this earth? Then God answered me by sending a man, led by the Spirit, to say to me....yes, and His Hebrew name is Yeshua.
Thank you both for your honesty, fortitude and experiences. There is yet Hope for those who persecutes, disbelieve and reject Christ because of our belief in Him.
Do you have faith in jesus as a your god
Respect for rabbi Blumenthal. The fact that he agreed to engage in this discussion means he's a truth seeker. I pray that he has a Saul like revelation on the road to Damascus. He was in a similar situation.
This was a wonderful conversation. I appreciate the kindness Rabbi Blumenthal and Dr. Brown displayed in firmly holding their positions yet disagreeing in a charitable way for the enrichement of the viewers.
What a great example by Dr. Michael Brown & Rabbi Blumenthal. We need more like this!
So agree!
When The rabbi said he threw many knockouts punches but you never fell down, I laughed so hard, good discussion I hope God opens the Jewish people’s eyes.
Dr. Brown is so very clear and has a gift for breaking down lofty theological concepts into simple language.
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6
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In Jesus name, Amen💕
Isaiah 9:6..... Mistranslation ..... Trinitarians should admit that this verse is translated improperly just from the fact that Jesus is never called the “Everlasting Father” anywhere else in Scripture.
@@Truth-f2qbut infact man cannot become God, thats blasphemy, or this verse suggested that we are an idol worshipper. Jesus Christ is the Word Of God became flesh. Since He is the Word Of God mean that He Himself is part of God the father. Whatever God commanded Jesus is the once who spoke. They acts in harmony.
@@Truth-f2qdo you mean “mistranslated” as “misunderstood”? Because that’s not simply from texts written after Jesus, that’s translated from the Septuagint and in the Hebrew text found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
I can’t adequately express my gratitude to both of you for the calmness and respect you both demonstrated in this discussion. Many, many thanks for this!
Much respect for the Rabbi. Great conversation, this helped me to better understand the Rabbis way of thinking and learn more from the word of God.
What a wonderfully mutually respectful dialogue. It is much appreciated. Thank you to each of you.
Thank you Rabbi Blumenthal for using this method to get responses from Dr. Brown. I appreciate it so very much. I am a gentile and you have shown the light of the God of Israel in this video. Thank you for asking these questions, and providing the opportunity for Dr. Brown to respond. I am glad I was able to hear Dr. Browns responses, yet disappointed that he did not address your questions directly or clearly, but rather “beat around the bush” and went down other “paths” to avoid the questions/answers the entire time. Thank you sincerely.
Dr. Brown - I am so very deeply moved and grateful for this exchange. What a special blessing this conversation is for us now and especially for the future. Baruch HaShem, this is love. This is the example of how Messianics and Jewish Rabbi's come together in honest dialog.
Adonai bless Rabbi Blumenthal and Dr. Michael L. Brown.
I have to say. THIS is the type of long video sit-down that I love. Something not rushed but expanded on. You shine well in settings like this, Dr. Brown.
What a beautiful authentic loving exchange! That is the way all exchanges should be! With open hearts and not to win a debate. Thank you so much for your beautiful heart Rabbi Blumenthal! I have rarely seen a traditional Rabbi carry on such a deep complex differences with such patience, love and knowledge and effort to come closer to Adonai and truth.
Thank you Dr. Brown for hosting and bringing forth this exchange. Adonai bless you both and keep you both. Praying for our beloved Israel and pur precious heroes in the IDF! 🙏🙏🙏
Yes! Such joy to see civil interaction, especially in these times of great upheaval
Towards the beginning of this video, I was not convinced that this Rabbi was interested in hearing and engaging in good faith with the Christian perspective, but as the video went on, I became much more impressed. My genuine prayer is that this conversation can be a catalyst for our Jewish brothers to come to know the saving grace and redemption of our Lord and Saviour, Yeshua Hamashiach.
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Rabbi Tovia Singer should learn how to have such a dialogue like that to bring peace but leave it to the listener to seek truth themselves..Excellent dialogue with respect. 🙏🙏🙏
This is excellent. I'm going through this piece by piece, but I want to thank Dr. Michael Brown & Rabbi Blumenthal for sitting down together & having this dialogue/discussion.
@ALPONYC No that isn't correct. That prophecy was fulfilled once the Jews/Israelites left Egypt. There was no future prophecy to be fulfilled after that. According to Orthodox Jews God calculated the bandage from the time when Isaac was born until Moses took them out of Egypt. Instead of being in Egypt for 400 or 430 years the Israelites were only in Egypt for 210 years.
Rashi does the whole calculation from the time Jacob moved down into Egypt in Goshen and counts the generations by name including the ages they lived too, offspring etc. The Torah gives a list of names.
Why does the Torah say 430 in one place & 400 in another? Because 30 years lapsed between the prophecy God made with Abraham & another prophecy God repeated when Isaac was born. The count begins 400 years of being in any land not our own. Canaan was not our own until God delivered the Canaanites into our land and God said to the Israelites I will give you the land I swore by oath to your forefathers. Thus proven the oath hadn't been fulfill yet.
@ALPONYC If you minus 400-210 you find that they rest of the time the Israelites were in Canaan or moved around e.g. see the life of Jacob & his travels. The 400 didn't need to be enslaved in Egypt. It was just a prophecy of exile.
@ALPONYCIn Christianity there is no sacrifice for sin because JC is the last & final blood sacrifice.
In Judaism we don't believe the gentiles have to suffer because of us. There are two different covenants. For gentiles their covenant is the covenant made with Prophet Noah & the 7 Noahide Laws. America isn't mentioned in the bible. Persia is, Babylon is but America is absent.
@ALPONYCSo I thought you were a regular Christian. I'm confused. I haven't heard of your religion. What religion do you belong too?
Jesus asks Peter, who do you say that I Am? When Peter correctly declares Him to be The Messiah, Jesus tells him to not think himself smarter or better than the others because this revelation is a gift from God. Praise God for His revealing Himself to us believers and keep the others in prayer as there is no intellectual revelation outside of a spiritual one first. Thank you Dr Brown as your answers may be unintelligible to this Rabbi but to someone in the audience it could be life changing.
great comment
The word "Messiah" means anointed. When Jesus was alive he was never anointed. The Messiah is a king. When Jesus was alive he was never a king. The Messiah must fulfill prophecies like gathering all Jews back to the land of Israel, rebuilding the Third Temple, ending all war, hatred, and famine, establishing world wide peace, bringing the dead back to life, etc. None of which Jesus accomplished. In Tanakh, no such concept of a second coming exists. Every time the prophets speak of the Messianic era they're always referring to the same time period, which is after the end of days. Two thousand years ago was not the end of days because here we are two thousand years later. The prophets never mention the Messiah coming early, being killed, and then coming back in the future. The Messiah must also be a direct descendant of King David through his father's lineage. According to the new testament, Jesus had no biological father. It claims he was born of a virgin. In that case, how does he descend from King David through his father if he had no father? We'll set aside the fact that a virgin birth is not a Jewish concept. It's strictly a pagan concept. But for the sake of argument, we'll set that aside. Well then, if Jesus was really born of a virgin, how does he descend from King David through his father? Some Christians have tried to claim that Joseph descended from King David and he adopted Jesus. The problem is adoption does not pass on tribal lineage. We know this using the 24 books of the Bible. If a Cohen adopts a child, that child does not become a Cohen. If a Levite adopts a child, that child does not become a Levite. Whatever tribe a man is from he could never pass on his lineage to an adopted child. Then some Christians try to claim that Jesus' mother Mary descended from King David. There are two problems with this claim. First problem is tribal lineage only goes through the father, not the mother. Whether the mother descends from King David or not is irrelevant, it's specifically through the father that the Messiah will descend from King David. Second problem is, even if the Christian wants to ignore the fact that tribal lineage only goes through the father, not the mother, and insist that Jesus descended from King David through his mother, according to the new testament, Mary descended from King David through his son Nathan. We know that the Messiah will descend from King David through his son Solomon. So this would mean that Jesus descended from King David through his son Nathan, the wrong son.
But the first thing I want to do is prove the Torah true. If I can prove the Torah to be true I can automatically disprove Christianity. The Torah is the only religious book in the history of the world where an entire nation saw the miracles in Egypt, saw the splitting of the sea, walked out of Egypt, and heard G-d speak at Mount Sinai. It's the only religion where all of it's people received prophecy hearing the first two commandments of G-d. There is no other book in history that makes this same claim. If you look at every other religion, they all make claims that cannot be proven. For example in Christianity, it says that Jesus was born of a virgin. How can anyone prove this? How is it even possible to prove a virgin birth? You can't, you just have to accept it on blind faith. Christianity says that Jesus died for the sins of the world. How can anyone prove this? This is another claim that you must accept on blind faith. Islam says Muhammed received the Quran from the angel Gabriel. Not even one witness to the story. How can anyone prove this? This is yet another claim you must accept on blind faith. According to Buddhism, Buddha saw the light. How can anyone prove this? According to Greek Mythology Zeus flew over the bay? How can anyone prove this? And if you keep going through every single religion out there they all make claims that cannot be proven. That's why a Jew would never waste his time with any other religion, because we know that all of them make claims that cannot be proven. Once you have a religion where none of it's claims can be proven true, don't waste one more second with that religion, throw that religion away. Because that is every religion on the planet except for Judaism. Judaism is the only religion that is verifiable historical fact. It is because of the Exodus of Egypt that we know the entire Torah is true. Had the Exodus not occurred we would have no way to know if the Torah is real. We know that everything that came before the Exodus, like Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, are true because of the Exodus where we all walked out of Egypt and heard G-d speak to us, and we saw Moses as our leader, writing down everything G-d told him to write.
@@jacobmaya526 You are arguing from a worldly desire to preserve your so-called 'special inheritance', and in order to do so, you may be casting out the truth. "Better that one man die, than a whole nation perish!"
Set aside the Christian claims for a moment, and ask yourself whether rabbinical Judaism is even still valid, on its own terms (ie the promises and laws given to Abraham and Moses, and the prophets)?
God is the final judge of each soul. Fear the Lord.
@@Louis.R What truth did I cast out?
Yes Rabbinical Judaism is still valid as it was for thousands of years. The Jewish position has been clear and consistent. Christianity is what came and changed everything around and redefined the idea of Messiah.
Can you just answer me this: Is there any proof that Jesus was born of a virgin and is there any proof that he died for the sins of the world?
@@jacobmaya526 No Temple? No priesthood? No sacrifices?
Is there any proof that Moses' staff turned into a serpent, or that God parted the seas?
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
If you sincerely seek the truth, *including the truth of the Hebrew prophets and miracles which preceded Jesus,* I strongly recommend you read "I See Satan Fall Like Lightning" by Rene Girard, and the works of Augustine.
Good luck, blood brother.
Yeshua showed His authority over nature, matter, wind, sea, life and death and fulfilled hundreds of prophecies. He is the Word of God which is God.
Amen! Praise His Holy Name!!
@@amyhenningsgard8618 Amen 🙏🏼
The very first thing Hashem tells the Jewish people on Mt Sinai is "I am, the god who took you out of the land of egypt".
Do you think he was just kidding and would wait 2000 years to straighten that verse out and he really meant Jesus took them out of egypt?
@@1g1d1wYeshua it's Hashem. John chapter 8 verse 37 to 58. Yeshua is Adonai who meet and spoke with Abraham. Hashem took a human nature and lived among us as the Son of God.
@@1g1d1w Jesus is God. See Daniel 7, the Ancient of Days and Son of Man are God.
Respectful dialogue God bless Dr Brown and the Rabbi Blementhal
Rabbi Blumenthal did a great job. I am glad this turned out to be a respectful and thoughtful conversation. This should be a blueprint for such difficult conversations.
We love Jesus because we love him with the love God gave..
1. Rabbi Blumenthal is an extremely brilliant man.
2. He is also very open and honest, unlike Rabbi Zinger for example
3. His willingness to engage in dialogue is beautiful
4. May God open his eyes to see the Love of Messiah to him.
5. Just imagine what would happen when all the Jews preach the true Gospel!
Nah rabbi tovia is just more direct he’s on the front lines. This is why he lives rent free in y’all’s head.
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9 Astonish yourselves and be astonished;
blind yourselves and be blind!
Be drunk, but not with wine;
stagger, but not with strong drink!
10 For the Lord has poured out upon you
a spirit of deep sleep,
and has closed your eyes (the prophets),
and covered your heads (the seers).
11 And the vision of all this has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed. When men give it to one who can read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot, for it is sealed.” 12 And when they give the book to one who cannot read, saying, “Read this,” he says, “I cannot read.”
Is 29:9-12
@@porphyrio1 your point ? The Jews are not blinded 😭
@@Thedunguen9999 The Temple no longer exists. Some of your sins are not being atoned for for the last nearly 2000 years. And you think the Goyim are in even more darkness. What is Adonai waiting for in your opinion, without sending more prophets?
@@alisterrebelo9013 😭 Daniel has left the chat…..you clearly don’t read the Bible. G-d tells you how to atone for your sins when there is no temple.
Thank you both 🙏🙏🙏 A conversation seeking to reduce misunderstanding is so much better than a debate.
What a wonderful conversation and dialogue.....Pray that God blesses you both through this :)
Serve the Lord with love and laughter Dr. Brown.
Thank you so much for you and Rabbi Blumenthol. I’ve learned so much from Rabbi & do appreciate the wisdom and experience he share. My family has been so in knoweledgeable of God and his ways
This is great. Thank you for doing this, Dr. Brown. Very educational and beneficial. God bless.
A major problem with "clergy" is the position of liberty to rule a religious community, without any direction from Heaven.
I enjoy dialogue like this. While there is disagreement, its civil and a "conversation". Great work!
Yes, not every conversation of faith between Jews and Christians need to be a debate.
Very interesting conversation, and i understand both sides. After becoming a christian, read about what so called christians did to the Jews, their suffering and listening to some of the teachings of the church about the rapture, mark of the beast and tribulation of the Jews again etc, I said if i were a Jew, Jesus would have to personally reveal himself to me before i endorse christianity. Moreover it is their history, yet some persons are trying to interpret it to suite their narative.
Dr Brown you are my favourite Jewish bible teacher. Continue the excellent work.
God is not concern about the flesh but the spirit and soul. Gensis 6:3, John 3:6 He sent Jesus to redeem the spiritual man clothe in the fleshly body that returns to dust after death. Our spirit relates to God while the soul to our mind, will and emotions, David asked God to renew his spirit and speak to his soul to hope in God.
Very good discussion. Both sides were very civil and cordial. I think overall Dr. Brown answered the questions very well and would like to see another discussion like this in the future. I sincerely hope Mr. Blumenthal may come to the understanding of us Christians from the Biblical perspective and not from a superficial view of certain church traditions. More than all may he come to Christ Jesus who is none other than the Prince of Peace Himself. Blessings.
I love this healthy conversation of enlightenment.
I pray Messiah opens there eyes and ears so they may see and hear that the one who Gives life is Hashem and His name is Yeshua. Glory to He who was dead and lives forever!!
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Thank you Dr. Brown for trying to help your Jewish brethren see the truth of Yeshua!
Wonderful & respectful conversation. God bless you both!!
God bless that dear man, Rabbi Blumenthal, for engaging in the discussion in a civil manner. May the Lord open his heart.
This gives me so much hope. God has so much patience with us to reason things out.
Yes! This also brought me so much hope and understanding that Yeshua is near to returning! 🎉❤
Great respect for two giants in their fields.
Knowledge of God… powerful testimony Brother
Dr. Brown I tip my hat to you. Excellent question at 1:31:08
The response that followed from Rabbi Blementhal is underwhelming. It indicates a shallowness of understanding of the depth of what sin is, how much of an offense it is to God. The sins of apostasy, Satan worship, murder for example are much more egregious than what Adam and Eve did, and yet that single act of disobedience broke human nature forever. So the idea that temporal restitution devoid of a Yom Kippur, Temple sacrifice somehow atones for the eternal offense against God, is severely lacking in recognition of what sin is and how atonement works.
"You don't know what you're talking about" is such a great argument. Yields much success. Can be very frustrating to deal with.
Great dialogues like these need to continue to happen in order to open the eyes of the people of Israel hallelujah!
That’s if you (Christians) don’t slaughter another six millions as you did in the holocaust.
@@alfapaul5593With all due respect, slaughtering anyone goes against the teachings of Jesus. I use to claim Christianity myself before I truly knew the truth in Christ. I was far from being a real Christian. Hitler wasn't even close to being a Christian. He hated Jews and Jesus was Jewish so why would he come to Christ? Jesus Christ even said to love your enemies. I hope you read the New Testament and see what it actually teaches and not just follow what others say about our scriptures or about us. Blessings.
If Hitler was a citizen of Saudi Arabia you will agreed that he was a Muslim. By please read Luke 19:27 us and give us what Jesus exactly saying there.
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If Hitler was a citizen of Saudi Arabia you will agreed that he was a Muslim. By the way please read Luke 19:27 us and give us what Jesus exactly saying there.
@@alfapaul5593 Please you have a misunderstanding of this verse in the Scriptures. This is why I would prefer if you take it up with God and read the whole New Testament for yourself not just one book,verse or chapter. But that verse is not a command but a parable and has to do with the return of Christ and the Judgement of God on the day of judgement. When Jesus returns He will destroy the wicked and reward the righteous. Jesus spoke often in parables. I suppose the difference would be its part of Islamic teaching since their book literally commands to go fight against disbelievers. If someone from the people of the book (Jews or Christians) don't wish to become a Muslim and runs into an Islamic controlled region or force they might get the option to pay the Jizya (a form of tax) else if they refuse they will unalive them. (Quran 9:5, 9:29, 98:6)
Let Y’shuah be revealed through a fervent prayer to your heart by the Holy Spirit of God the God of mercy and compassion.
Love love love this! Thank You!!
God bless you doctor and may God lift His veil on the Jewish people!
Lord, we ask You to transform this Rabbi. We love him deeply but he needs You to reveal Y’Shua to him. Open his heart and eyes. In the highest name of Jesus. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🙏🙏🙏
Amen!
@ALPONYCstop spamming!
I love Dr. Brown. I man of great patience and tolerance with people who have different beliefs
God bless you both, gentlemen. May God be glorified in the end. Thank you brother Dr. Brown for conducting this. All the best and every blessing. Shalom.
Very good discussion. Praying for our Jewish brothers and sisters to come to the knowledge our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ...the Jewish Messiah ✡️.
Brothers and sisters when they invoke curse on Jesus every time his name is mentioned.
I’m only in 5 minutes & I’m already on board with the Rabbi. I really appreciate him saying, let’s not debate, but let’s look at the passages together. I love & bless Israel & the Jewish people. The Jewish people need a blood sacrifice for atonement of their sins. May their eyes be opened to see Yeshua as their Jewish messiah & The Lamb’s (Yeshua) blood 🩸 sacrifice for their redemption.🕎✝️💙🇮🇱
Me too.
Nice point you made, that Jesus, as our passover lamb has redeemed us from the tyranny of sin, the world and the devil! Awesome God!!
I Love Jesus!
Why trying to be different ? Nearly everyone here called him Yeshua.
Jesus spoke accurately about the contemperanous Jewish religious leadership who inundated and burdened the common man with endless sets of dos and don'ts. Evidently this holds true even today.
Mordern day Rabbis are so enthralled in legalities of the law that they ignore the essence of it that bring us nearer to God.
It was truly exhausting listening to the Rabbi, however Dr. Brown made an excellent case for the Messiah Jesus.
I'm glad that Our Lord gave us an easier way.... himself.
*Matthew 11:28-30*
28 _“....Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light....”_
Great discussion Dr. Brown
I love the Rabbis passion for his beliefs.
I do feel he is mis lead but I love his passion.
This is great!
46:18 Third Question : Atonement
As a Christian, the rabbi's insistence on minimizing the atonement, and maximizing his works, helped me see my error, and really edified me. I may have turned a corner.
Praise our Heavenly Father!
I want to both thank and congratulate Dr. Brown and Rabbi Blumenthal for this outstanding video! I listened from beginning to end due to the importance and quality of this conversation. I have seriously studied both Christianity and Judaism for decades now. My experience has been that like a dysfunctional father and son, both religions do not truly understand one another beyond superficial assumptions. Like a disappointed father and son with different viewpoints, they communicate poorly and normally misunderstand each other to the point of even alienation. This might be the first time that I have heard a conversation where there is an intelligent, cordial, respectful effort for representatives of these religions to actually hear and understand one another. I look forward to more conversations like this one. A panel format might even be more helpful. Dr. Brown, You asked for feedback, so I will give you one specific concern. Your explanation of how you worship the One G-d of Israel while identifying Yeshua as also worthy of our worship due to his uniqueness, simply doesn't make sense to me. My long experience as a Christian was that we prayed to and worshipped both Yeshua and his Holy Spirit along with the Father. Yes, I thought I was still somehow worshipping the One G-d, but I finally had to stop, realizing that I was being inconsistent with the word of G-d as a whole and even with the testimony of Yeshua in the gospels and several parts of the New Testament. Could G-d demand the honoring of Messiah? Sure. Did G-d expect that we WORSHIP any Messiah AS G-d? In my humble opinion, that remains a severe contradiction just too difficult to resolve for Christianity. I believe that you wouldn't commit idolatry intentionally, but your explanation to the Rabbi of why you should worship Yeshua, especially being a Jew, remains very unconvincing for me. My deepest respects to both of you, fine gentlemen. I hope the public conversation between both of you continues for our learning. Shalom, shalom.
Thank you Rabbi! You make His word so clear and what you say reflects the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob!❤
Praise His word in the original text.
Translations had and have an agenda.
Blessings.
Lovely talk between them both. ❤
Great example of how to disagree with respect.
The anointed has come and is still here..
I respect Rabbi Blumenthal, But He said that the visitors of Abraham were three angels. This is adding to the word of God. The visitors were God and two angels, NOT Three angels, There’s no angel; His name is Hashem. Period.
The scripture says YHWH appeared to Abraham in the form of 3 men. The Father spoke with Abraham and sent 2 messengers in form of Angels, before they appeared as 2 men. Gen 19:24 says one of the angels (messangers) is also YHWH.
@@benny-yj7pq Where are the words "YHWH appeared in the form of three men"?
Genesis 18:1-3 KJV - 1 *And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre:* and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 *And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him:* and when he saw [them], he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
@@alisterrebelo9013in chapter 19 two of the men go to sodom and Gomorrah. The other one stays behind and then when he makes it rain down fire and brimstone over sodom and Gomorrah , then he is called יהוה .
וַיהוָה, הִמְטִיר עַל-סְדֹם וְעַל-עֲמֹרָה--גָּפְרִית וָאֵשׁ: מֵאֵת יְהוָה, מִן-הַשָּׁמָיִם.
Adonai is mentioned being in two places at the same time. On earth and in heaven.
The literal translation reads:
And the LORD caused to rain over sodom and over Gomorrah Brimstone and fire, from the LORD from heaven.
So the man talking to Abraham is hashem in the flesh.
@@talmid3231 Hashem appeared as one man not as 3 men which is what I was arguing with the other guy about.
@@alisterrebelo9013 yes that is correct. Sorry miss read
This was great!!!🎉🎉🎉
What saddens me the most is that the destruction of the Second Temple, prophecised by Daniel instead of causing Rabbinic Judaism to question their presuppositions about their understanding of the Messiah, instead causes them to reinterpret God's word to suit their presuppositions.
What even more sad is that they will not engage with the historicity of the events of the NT, let alone the person of Jesus described in the Gospels. How can one declare someone a false Messiah without even considering the historical evidence for the Ressurection?
rabbinic judaism grew up AS A RESULT of the temple destruction. It was suited for a "people of the book"
It's taboo to even speak of Jesus in hardcore Jewish families and religious groups. They are so afraid of him and see accepting him as one of the worst things a person can do. It truly is sad.
@@TR13400 I was once debating a Jewish man online on Psalm 110, about the identity of Kind David's two Lords. We politely went back and forth examining all the possibilities and he went completely silent when it became clear that David is identifying the unknown person as "Adonai" (only used for YHWH in the Old Testament) and the other Lord is clearly YHWH the Father.
My parting message to the man was to pray and ask God to confirm if I am right or not. He never replied back. Why are people who say they follow God afraid to ask God to show them the truth?
Thank you Dr Brown!
very enlightening 👍🏾
@ALPONYC🙅🏻♀️
Dr Michael Brown - The Lord has used you to be such an incredible blessing to all of us! The Rabbi is not in your studio by accident - Yeshua loves him too!
That's not some profound comment. They literally set up a meeting. Of course the Rabbi isn't there by accident...DUH!!
@@ChrisNeal-v3w Hi Chris, You are right --it was an arranged meeting. But I believe the Jewish Messiah is revealing himself to the Rabbi, and he didn't expect anything of the sort.
The Lord bless you.
Dr. “Let Truth Prevail” Brown.
May HaShem bless both friends
the manner in which the Rabbi is arguing seems to indicate that he's conceding coherence between the New Testament and the Tanakh, instead, relying more on oral traditions than the written Word of God.
great conversation!
May the blinders fall off the Jewish people eyes. I pray more will come to faith in Yeshua through this interaction.
Christianity is a lie - it is fake news - and we the Jews will never accept the New Testament and your fake Messiah
What blinders? The jewish wrote the Torah, they invented the term Messiah, they specifically wrote what he would do, Jesus did none of the things the Torah tells us he would do.
God gives them the torah and says to be a nation of priest. They teach the same message and christians teach another message. Who has blinders on?
@@promagnuman Isaiah 6:9-10
@@promagnumanso u are saying that the apostles and Paul were wrong. Most of them were Jews. Paul highly learned. they say Jesus is the Messiah. Just remember it was these Jews first and foremost that said he was the Messiah. Jews who believed in the Torah.
@@staal2691 they were wrong & liars especially Paul ….
My understanding of Yom Kippur:
On Yom Kippur, the bull sacrificed for the High Priest’s sins highlights that even though the High Priest is called Mashiach, he is not the final Mashiach because he, too, needs atonement. The ram offered as a burnt offering connects to the story of Abraham and Isaac, representing a temporary atonement and pointing forward to the true Mashiach who will ultimately take Isaac’s place. The two goats, one sacrificed and one sent away as the scapegoat, symbolize the future Mashiach's role. The scapegoat bears sins but escapes judgment, while the sacrificed goat represents the ultimate fulfillment of atonement.
I see more than that: the sacrificed goat shows our sins are forgiven! We are justified by His death. The scapegoat shows that we need sanctification… we need to confess our sins to the our Saviour, Who daily bears our burdens [Psalm 68:1], and be sanctified by His Presence abiding in us, as we live out the rest of our days on this Earth.
❤blessings elder Brown
We need a part 2
blumenthal made a really beautiful point about the importance of communal prayer. 1:37:30
Yes, I agree! I’ve been worshipping God through Jesus all my life and yet have never understood a positive reason for communal prayer before.
Thankyou, Rabbi
"one community is wrong the one that has cut off Gods redemptive work to the nations is the wrong one, and the one that seems to continue through the messiah is the right one"
Dr.Brown ✨👍✨
This is amazing!!!!!! ❤️✡️💙✝️❤️
I really liked the conversation. I've been really focused on understanding the Old Testament better and having a heart for the Jewish people. It was really wonderful to see how you explained Jesus and atonement through the lens of a Jew to a Jew. It's not that I haven't heard some of this before but I really needed to hear more. Also, the explanation of the idol worship in Catholic church really was helpful from Jewish lens. Thank you and please thank Rabbi Blumenthal for being willing to talk on your show. I'm a gentile evangelical believer who understands God loves and weeps over His covenantal people. This blessed me even though I felt Rabbis was a bit tense at times, I am glad he came on. I wanted to learn more from practicing Jewish ppl why turned off from Jesus.
Conceding on statues or icons is a partial or possibly complete self-own on the Incarnation.
The eternal Word incarnating into a flesh body which is itself an icon or image of the living God, Col 1:15.
The flesh body is a created thing, like a statue or icon. The difference being no Catholic or Orthodox believes Jesus the eternal Word is truly present in the statue or icon, unlike the created flesh body of Jesus which DOES contain the fullness of deity, Col 2:9. Therefore what is being offered (veneration) is less than worship reserved for God alone.
The way both men read Deuteronomy 4 would be a contradiction the moment Jesus is conceived into a created body, as Jesus himself breaks Deuteronomy 4, by making a created image of the living God. One way to resolve this to understand Deuteronomy 4 as explicitly banning the creation and WORSHIP (reserved to God alone) of things that are NOT ACTUALLY God.
But guess what, Jesus IS GOD, so he's not actually breaking Deuteronomy 4, by Incarnating, and Thomas is not violating Deuteronomy 4 as he is worshipping that which is truly God.
Great conversation!
The word זבח clearly has to do with sacrifices as does the word מזבח (altar or place of sacrifices). To say that the word means "fellowship with G-d" as Rabbi Blumenthat did at the 1:04:03 point of the video, without including the sacrifices to achieve that fellowship, seems quite a stretch. The fellowship and right-standing is achieved through the sacrifices.
May God bless both men today , in Jesus name .. Amen
When Rabbi B. Dosnt like/agree wtih Dr. Brown’s answers, he claims that Dr. B doesn’t understand the question, even though it’s not the case. This bothered me
Thank you both Rabbi Blumenthal and our relative in Jesus Dr. Michael Brown for providing different perspectives we need to hear about both sides' faith.
I haven't heard the whole conversation, but it seems a lot of what he says they're wanting would occur through the Holy Spirit. But great conversation.
Dear Dr. Brown..... The traditional Catholics and Orthodox Christians. They have Icon's in the church. So do they worship idols?
If this is Rabbi Blumenthal not debating and just listening to Dr. Brown's responses I would be curious to see how he defines a debate. 😆
Payment for SIN requires blood sacrifice, death. At the time of the first and second temples; the Holy of Hollies used to be separated from humankind by a thick curtain. Why? Well God could not have any fellowship with man due to our fallen nature. So God needed the curtain that kept God and man apart until Jesus paid for our sins. To say that payment for sins isn’t needed man to redeem himself/herself in the eyes of God is simply a cheap way to try to get away from the need of Jesus sacrifice which ripped the curtain apart when he completed the ultimate sacrifice. Meaning; now man has direct access to God.
Jewish, Muslims and others who do not believe in Jesus can’t have fellowship with God.
Blessings from Houston Tx
Dr. Brown I rightly criticize you for your theology on gifts of The Spirit and giving platform to false teachers but you did a wonderful job here. Praise God!
The Christian Bible is pretty clear, even "Christian" Jews are supposed to remain Jewish in tradition and culture. The world needs them in the end days.
May the rabbi's eyes be open to the truth that all the promises of God find their yes and amen in Yeshua the Messiah.
Tovia Singer RUclips channel says it best
3:44:44 forgive me for blowing up your comment section, but I know that God says somewhere in the OldTestament, to repent and turn our hearts to him and he will give us a new heart and a new spirit…
I believe this is testimony stating that we cannot achieve this through our own works, but that we have to submit to our one true God ❤
Ezekiel 36:22-28 (ESV)
22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord GOD: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came. 23 And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes. 24 I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. 28 You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Loving this dialogue.
Dios bendiga la conversación que tienen en este momento, y sea de beneficio para todos. Dios sea exaltado
Blumenthal tried to make something that is explicitly clear in scripture (that Jesus is the Messiah, and one must believe in Him for salvation) out to be something that is vague.
"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” - Jesus (John 8:24)
I love this style of video, not a debate, just two people having a discussion.
I respect Blumenthal. He is wrong but he has a zeal for God. But not according to the true faith.
For those who didn't tune in from the beginning, please understand that Rabbi Blumenthal was not here to debate me. He wanted to get responses to questions he has asked in writing over the years that I have not had the opportunity to respond to with the plan to post his responses to me in the future. As the dialogue unfolded, he ended up sharing more of his viewpoints, but again, this was NOT a debate, and his failure to answer me was by his design, since he wanted time to reflect and then answer accordingly. May God's love and truth prevail!
I am an ex catholic and disagree with you on Jesus. My compliments to you for doing this and for the way you are treating this by giving links to the Rabbis word press website.
You certainly are open minded and do not censor others with different points of view.
Pray for the Rabbi to see the Truth, the Way, the Life, Salvation, Yeshua the Messiah!
Have you met Zev Porat. He grew up as a orthodox jew that found Jesus.
*As the Tanach (the OT) tells us God forgave even without blood, be those gentiles (Ninve), Israelites (the exiles that returned from Babylon) and individuals as well (King Menaseh who repented in exile and was restored to his former kingship) - Hebrew's **9:22** and Christianity in whole are lies.*
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*Let me show you how it was always done, regardless if there is a temple or there isn't one, keep in mind that Ezekiel wrote while he was in exile when there was no temple but Isaiah wrote while the first temple was still very much in use, so you will clearly see that this is to be followed at any given time.*
*Leviticus 26:*
38 You will become lost among the nations, and the land of your enemies will consume you.
39 And because of their iniquity, those of you who survive will rot away in the lands of your enemies; moreover, they will rot away because the iniquities of their fathers are still within them.
40 ***They will then confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers their betrayal that they dealt Me, and that they also treated Me as happenstance.***
41 Then I too, will treat them as happenstance and bring them [back while] in the land of their enemies. If then, their clogged heart becomes humbled, then, [their sufferings] ***will gain appeasement for their iniquity,***
42 and I will remember My covenant [with] Jacob, and also My covenant [with] Isaac, and also My covenant [with] Abraham I will remember. And I will remember the Land,
43 [For] the Land will be bereft of them, appeasing its sabbaticals when it had been desolate of them, and they will gain appeasement for their iniquity. This was all in retribution for their having despised My ordinances and in retribution for their having rejected My statutes.
44 *""But despite all this, while they are in the land of their enemies, I will not despise them nor will I reject them to annihilate them, thereby breaking My covenant that is with them, for I am the Lord their God.***
45I will remember for them the covenant [made with] the ancestors, whom I took out from the land of Egypt before the eyes of the nations, to be a God to them. I am the Lord.
*See what God truly said about His forgiveness.*
*Isaiah 55:7-9*
Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts. *Let them turn to the Lord,* and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will *freely pardon.* (!!!!)
8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
*(you were taught these two verses, but you were never taught they speak of God's forgiveness, I'm sure, those three verses go together!).*
*Read the interpretation:*
*For My thoughts are not your thoughts:* Mine and yours are not the same; therefore, I say to you, “The wicked shall give up his way,” and adopt My way…
My laws are not like the laws of man [lit. flesh and blood]. *As for you, whoever confesses in judgment is found guilty, but, as for Me, whoever confesses and gives up his evil way, is granted clemency (Proverbs 28:13).*
*Ezekiel 18:21-23*
“But if a wicked person *turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right,* that person will surely live; they will not die.
22 *None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them*. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. 23 *Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?*
*Also see Ezekiel 33*
11 Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’
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14 And if I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ *but they then turn away from their sin and do what is just and right- 15 if they give back what they took in pledge for a loan, return what they have stolen, follow the decrees that give life, and do no evil-that person will surely live; they will not die. 16 None of the sins that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live.*
*God has no need for blood to forgive.*
You really think God cannot forgive without shedding of blood?? How were the people of Ninveh saved?? No sacrifices, repentance is the key.
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If we fail, we repent to God, try to make amends if that is possible, and try to adhere to the law better. Doing or giving charity or any good deed will also prove to God of your ernest intentions (you'll find that part in Daniel).
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*Now tell me is the God of Israel the same as all other God's who's forgivness relies on blood of humans, like any other PAGAN GODS ??*
*Is he 'unable' to forgive without blood ???*
*Who is the more compassionate God? the God of Israel who FREELY FORGIVES (!) or the Christian god who demands human sacrefice to do so??*
Who belittles God, Judiasm or Christianity?
*The 70 weeks prophecy has nothing to do with MBD.*
*MBD will only come at the end of days after many days without a king, a temple and prophecy:*
*Hosea 3:4-5:*
4 *For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or household gods.*
5 *Afterward* the Israelites will return and seek the Lord their God *and David their king.* They will come trembling to the Lord and to his blessings *in the last days.*
When Abraham served his Lord when preparing food to eat, when he bowed down to him, did he worship an angel, a figure?
The same you can ask of Lot, when he bowed down before the "2 angels".
Thank you Dr.M Brown. This rabbi shows absolutely no character with his stipulations.
Here's the difference between religion and faith. Rabbi needs time to get thoughts together and saints have the indwelling of the Ruach Hakodesh for Truth. "For He will give you a mouth and wisdom that your adversaries will not about to gainsay nor ignore."