he's probably very proud, I think that is the reason why he never went to seek reconciliation with johnny marr, they clearly loved each other and could have remained friends but seems that being abandoned hurt him too much
sorry for the amateur psychology but if you read morrissey's autobiography it's clear he's got abandonment issues lmao some of his pre smiths friends either died or dumped him, it's literally there in print
I find myself doing the same thing. I will say the meanest things about people that I no longer speak to when I really wish they were still in my life. I don’t want to be seen as weak or spineless for admitting that I miss them. People already see me as weak for being handicapped and for being small so I need to overcompensate by being a dick That’s just the way I am. I can’t change it. Well I probably could, but why bother.
I wouldn't call him a liar, I think it's his way of protecting himself... I think he's STILL very hurt, don't get me wrong, I think he's happier now, but I think he's hurt more so of how it happened... how the smiths ended. In a sense it can be seen as lying, but I think we all know how he truly feels.
Eh idk i don't think that's really borne out by the evidence. the band split bc of stress and lack of management a year later and morrissey's never expressed any ill will towards angie. altho the way he talks abt johnny in the autobiography is pretty glowing...
thing is, as funny as it is to joke about all this shit, i do believe morrissey developed feelings for johnny and that it was simply too painful to watch him get married.
I've read Johnny's book, "Set the Boy Free", and it's clear that he adored Stephen. I've always wondered what could have been. Having said that, Johnny's new single is great.
I think Moz was very hurt after the Smiths so he is just saying that they didn't like each other... I bet Smiths were everything to him in that time and he was everything to them, otherwise they would broke up immediately.
People evolve and mature but no matter how much they do, they still have the same essence. Morrisey’s main message of his songs, among other stuff, was basically “I pretend I do not care because I do too much”. He was the most loving and passionate guy and with Marr by his side he was even happier, but it hurted him too that he didn’t feel the same or that he was in denial about his feelings. So now he pretends he doesn’t care, because he does too much. And it still hurts. It’s beautiful and sad at the same time
@@laurenurfather1426 pretty sure only Morrissey loved him. I remember an interview Morrissey is calling him a very special person who means a great deal while Marr said he’s a friend
He loved being a Smith , didn't want the Smiths to split in 87 , had the farewell gig in December 88 with three ex Smiths , continued to work with them on and off until 1990 and mourned the demise of the Smiths in interviews for years , even when he was promoting Kill Uncle in 1991. I remember the interviews. Time distorts memories , and no doubt he is happier now , but after the court case he obviously became very bitter and dismissive of his former bandmates , and although he retains a healthy respect for Marrs musicianship, he has burned his bridges with all of them.
As i have aged i look back at those moments when my friends and i own the world, and i smiled, sadly conflicts in perspectives and maturity drove a wedge between us, today i no longer speak to any of them, I do smiled when i think of them. I am certain when Morrissey looks back he simply smiles.
That is one of the hardest thing about growing up. Its the growing apart. Knowing some people you were super compatible at a moment in your life grew apart and are no longer compatible. Truly sad but thats that weird happiness we feel when we get nostalgia. It's basically reliving a moment, a feeling once again and knowing it was real and it will always be in your memory.
For me one of the greatest musical pairings. They just worked so well together. I like morriseys solo career but Marr had a way of giving his words the best platform which sometimes morriseys music, I personally feel, is let down by now.
When he said “we were young and we didn’t know what we were doing!” It was funny because they were on the way to becoming the best band of the last 40 years!
As a teenager I absolutely loved The Smiths but I always thought that if Morrissey and I met in real life we could never be friends because he'd hate me. Never had that feeling with any other musician. I know that thought is super random but Im actually afraid of him ahah
He can’t say he misses them. But he knows his lyrics were taken to a higher level with Marr, Rourke and Joyce next to him. They were just perfection. Whatever they say, I know the truth.
I’ve also read “Set the Boy Free” and in it Marr tried to make contact with Moz again, but Moz dropped the ball again and never communicated with Marr after that, so Marr just simply wrote him off. That sort of thing. I also agree with the Morrissey denial bit. He likes to portray this English thug vibe which I hate so much. Where’s all the peace and love????
I think post-Smiths Morrissey felt emboldened for a while, like he could do anything, and tried to become the opposite of what he used to be in many ways. Pushing his limits. Maybe trying to become the sort of person he felt in his youth that he'd never have the capacity to be, just to prove he could do it.
M. S. I agree with you. He did feel emboldened especially circa “Your Arsenal” era. He also holds today some problematical opinions, which doesn’t bother me so much as everyone is entitled to theirs and I don’t buy into political correctness, but it does show how he doesn’t care about anyone but himself and his stardom. And now that he’s 60 years old and playing Vegas he’s hit that “twilight” moment in his life as a performer. Who knows how much longer he’ll continue to play the music game.
Hardy Harhar well i guess if i didn’t care i wouldn’t bother making a note. The way I see it is that Marr for the most part seems like an honest guy and portrays a willingness to collaborate, even if with Morrissey who does seem “truculent” about getting back together. I do enjoy quite a bit of Morrissey’s single material and I wouldn’t begrudge any artist who wants to explore different modes of expression. So I agree with your typecast notion, just that I am like countless others who would love to see Marr and Morrissey bury the hatchet and write new material together again. So if that’s “typecasting” then so be it.
@@CarlBowlby I actually really like what you said. I don't think that people's political views are the perfect way of judging them because people are so much more than that, just as you cant judge a person only based on their talent for example. (Also thumbs up for not buying PC, its fucking bullshit) I don't like many of the things Moz says and I get pretty embarrassed by them, but I still think that deep down under all the dickness he has a good heart. I think he's just really bitter. Seeing his life's story and relating it to my personal experience I get the impression that The Smiths era gave him a sense of hope in his depression, he had music, fans, Johnny, everything was finally right, but then they ruined it. He being hypersensitive and having huge ego couldn't help the situation and it was lost for good. I think that it shattered his hopes - he never got a stable relationship, he calls his (dead) cat his son, if you listen to his lyrics, they got even sadder (he was always depressing but in a childish more exaggerated way plus he was adding a lot of humour while now its more serious), after the Smiths he also became more controversial. He just seems so bitter in the sense that life has disappointed him deeply which is such a shame because (although I still like him, he's so honestly brutal, intelligent and different than others) he lost his charm of that delicate boy who doesn't want to hurt others because he's hurt so much himself. Speaking of his music itself I actually prefer him solo, its more mature, but it doesn't really matter as I adore all the work though out his career. Sorry for the lengthy comment, but your opinion highly resonated with me, because most people just say he's a knob or say that he's God and you seemed to have something more interesting to say.
@@oyemate8647 why thank you so much for your very thoughtful reply. You sound like a really cool person. And i like your Lennon “icon” or badge or whatever they’re called! Ha ha! I could respond to so much of what you said but I don’t know where to begin, honestly. I do like Moz’s new album a lot, I think it shows a side of himself that he’s hidden away for many, many years. He even mentions his grandmother on the album. Does a “survey” of musical instruments in one song, and some others which are very solid material. But anyway, chat me up if you want at my email if you want to continue this convo. If not, best of wellness and peace your way! Cheers!
Sounds and looks like they were in love with each other, looks like they had great times together? My Favourite Band ever & I never saw them, my biggest regret!!! ✌️
That Morrissey dude just said “ we were young and we didn’t know what we were doing “ . And the Smiths is the result of that ??? . Faaack man the life of gifted talented souls .
Wait a second. This is about that bit on the Larry King interview? I don't think he's lying so much as protecting himself from something he'll never have again. He was young and shy and he threw all of his raw emotions into the songs and the performances. I think he wanted to write those songs, but when The Smiths broke up it was painful. I think it was painful for all of the band members. Some people can revisit intense emotions, some people can't. Johnny knocking on his door was a surreal moment in music history. Johnny and Morrissey were really close and only they know how things went down when The Smiths split up. Pain. Misery. Jealousy. Suffering. To ask someone to relive that might be asking too much. Interview after interview, on and on, for years. Years.
Eh, it's just Morrissey's way of saying I love you. Especially when something as transformative as the Smiths happens to you at a young age it creates a lot of complex, conflicting feelings that you either learn to accept and look back fondly on or distance yourself from. If you think this is him being "evil" then I have to wonder if you've actually heard his music, lol.
kneazle3603,what made him a racist? I’m just asking I’m not trying to be rude Iv never seen any comment of his that is racist but I haven’t many of his comments on anything so
wabi sabi said reggae was the most racist music in the world, saw an interview where apartheid came up and he said he had unclear feelings on the matter.
You say that You boys never liked each other that much but I have always loved you all that much and I thank you all deeply for the devine Deliverance you have helped me journey through and receive
The fact that Morrissey backtracks so much about it, to the point where he snapped "why doesn't anyone ask if Johnny Marr was in love with me?" at an interviewer, kind of tells you everything you need to know.
Johnny Marr is incredible. Much of the seemingly simple things he is playing is much harder than flashier guitar heroes. Will Sergeant of Echo and the Bunnymen, while not quite as technically talented, is also an amazing non-showy player. The Edge from U2 as well, of course, although that's due more to creativity and use of effects often. Robin Guthrie of Cocteau Twins and solo work is another. David Roback of Mazzy Star is worth looking into, as well. Kevin Shields of course. Oh, look at me, I'm rambling.
Christian Gasior Good observations, actually. Marr’s playing is so captivating despite its simplicity. And it’s always perfectly calibrated to the melodic and emotional pitch of every song.
The thing about Marr’s writing is that it’s easy to play, yet it’s quite complex in terms of structure. Imagine trying to write the guitar part for “This Charming Man”. A very simple song with complex rhythm patterns, this shows Marr’s creativity and skill for writing guitar licks, one of the best guitarists ever in that aspect.
Seventeen Seconds Yes, the rhythms are always interesting and counterpoint(not in the technical sense) the melody. Marr wrote great riffs that never upstaged but always served the song. I think Marr adapted a Nigerian High life rhythm for This Charming Man. Just to think in that direction shows how fertile a musical imagination Marr has.
Christian Gasior I don't think Marr or the smiths get as much credit as they should. So incredibly tight and complex. I grew up loving the cure more but in my older age I see that the smiths were better musically.
I'm conflicted between contemporary Morrissey and the Smiths. It feels like Morrissey betrayed much of the sentiment created by the Smiths, which was a feeling of solidarity shared between marginalised groups and those who felt like outcasts, by vocally supporting the political party 'For Britain'. For Britain is a nationalist, right-wing populist party, who champions strong anti-immigration and anti-islam sentiment, and in many people's eyes, promotes racism and ethnonationalism. In my opinion, For Britain, and in right-wing ideology in general, simply seems contradictory to the messages expressed by the Smiths. And for those who think that you can separate the artist and the art, you're wrong. Art is a reflection of the artist; their beliefs, mood, experiences, creativity, etc. Your politics are an extension of your beliefs, and ergo, is linked to your art. A lot of famous artists and bands (The Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Creedence Clearwater, Pink Floyd) had explicitly political songs, and to remove politics from the artist would completely destroy the music. Even the Smiths' music was political, doesn't anyone remember 'Meat is Murder'. How do you separate Morrissey, an animal rights activist, from the political sentiment behind "Meat is Murder"? You can appreciate art created by a "bad" person, in fact, I think that makes it more interesting, but you can never separate the art and artist.
People's views change over time, you yourself know the contradictory sentiments of Morrissey in his lyrics during the Smiths and his later solo work. Do you think the Morrissey of the Smiths would agree to the Morrissey of today? You can still listen and like the Smiths and even Morrissey's solo work and not like Morrissey himself, because what he sings and writes is relatable to what others feel too, feelings of sorrow, dread, hope and love, feelings most of us have felt at some point, and he does an excellent job of expressing those feelings through music. That's what his art conveys, or at least most of the time
@@enriqueosorio3731 I think I agree with you. It's tough to accept but people are complicated, often hypocrtical creatures which operate over a lengthy period of time. We too often like to wrap them up in neat little bows so we can, as we are evolutionarily designed to do, categorise and sort. I think it is best just to accept artists as human, art as subjective expression, and not try and decipher logical ideas from music.
Dude just shut up with this political bs for the sake of god. We already get you all don't like Morrissey's political views, no need to call him out on every single smiths related comment section. You guys need to grow out of this snowflake mentality and understand people have different opinions on different things. I'm pretty sure Morrissey doesn't identify as a far right person and doesn't think he's ideas are by any means racist or anything, you all are the ones who keep giving him this label and that's why he secluded himself from the media
@@enriqueosorio3731 Young Morrissey and today's Morrissey live in very different societies, have different levels of maturity and experiences, he might as well always had the views he has now but he didn't live in a time where advocate for them would be necessary or make any sense. In fact judging by how people ostracized him nowadays I'd say he's still on that rebel side against mainstream values. likewise, his views on meat consumption and animal cruelty haven't changed in the slightest
@@anjo1726 I don't particularly care. It's a Smiths video, and this is the comment section, so I voiced my opinion. I don't particularly care if Morrissey self-identifies as racist, he doesn't need to. I also think it's ironic to call someone a "snowflake", then go on an irrelevant screed about how you don't like my opinion. If you're offended by my opinion, perhaps you should heed your own advice and "grow up out of the snowflake mentality".
If only these four can get together and realise the magic they created together and try to let bygones be bygones it could be just what the world needs!
I fall out of love more whenever I hear him speak. He has become petulant, bitter, juvenile, and simply not very clever or interesting anymore. Marr, the complete opposite.
Of all the controversial quotes I've heard people throw out there to justify their resentment of Morrissey, hearing him describe Marr's musical style as "rudimentary" is the only one that's ever made me set my coffee down and say "alright, man. Stop right there. You're talking nonsense."
It wasn't an insult, I think he was trying to compliment Johnny and couldn't find the right word. He said. "I don't want to say 'rudimentary' because that sounds like he can't play his instrument, which he certainly could..." and sort of stumbles a bit. I think he meant that JM was not showy, his could use a 'sparse' style at times that was very emotive - think "Back to the Old House" and "Well I Wonder." M said in 2004, 'I sensed such sadness in those rolling chords."
i think the break up of the band after Marr's departure marked the end of that unique friendship. It's happened to all the great bands because the connection in the band was where it was it's most pronounced. Otherwise these two are oil and vinegar individually.
I like the people mature enough to listen to music even if they don't like a certain political opinion from a member of the group. Music transcends politics.
They are both so full of it. Marr is a hypocrite, cause he talked Ian and Will into getting Echo and the Bunnymen back together, but won’t do that with the Smiths. Then he essentially says it’s not interesting to play the old stuff, which he does now all the time when he tours. 🙄
Oh yes they were young and Morrissey doesn't miss it? Or course he does, he doesn't want to admit it. To me they fight like two married couple! I think they are fine without each other now with what there own musical aspirations. As much as Morrissey can say blah blah, he respects Marr! We may not see it but deep down he does. Do I see a reunion? If they do, I an pretty sure Morrissey and Marr would do it for the music than oppose to Rouke and Joyce for the money.
Why does Morrissey say bad things about Jonny Marr,God they will never get back together...i had my hopes up...but the Smith's are dead Lucky we have there music to listen to
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Hey everyone reading this. Just letting you know Morrissey is a very evil person. Don't support him or his new music anymore. Please!
Misery Mozzery why?
Evidence to back this up? Evil? Off u go
Moz is is pretentious tw@ but he does make very nice music. You're a knob🤣but you're definitely not evil😇🍄🤯😎
I will never stop listening his music. Never. The only thing I will stop listening are his political views.
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5:06 Morrissey announces that he and Marr are the Smiths. Marr politely reminds him that the rhythm section exists.
This is so sad Alexa play I know that it’s over
Alexa play Frankly Mr Shankly
Alexa get the fuck out my house
This is so sad DESPACITO play country roads
Alexa play girl afraid
Alexa play I don’t owe you anything
Morrissey's a strange guy. A total original, but a little cold, a little too detached for me. I appreciate him from a distance.
Kid Koon
I never got that impression, but I haven't read either's autobiography. Have you read them?
he's probably very proud, I think that is the reason why he never went to seek reconciliation with johnny marr, they clearly loved each other and could have remained friends but seems that being abandoned hurt him too much
Because of the restraining order?
I would if he wasn’t such a shitty person with shitty views.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING HOW I FEEL ABOUT HIM IN WORDS HAHA ME TOO
"haven't seen him for a week, i really miss him"
Elizabeth White timestamp??
bass tea 7:48
That was when Johnny took the break and went to the States, they ended a couple of weeks later.
He's that guy who pretends forgot his ex and never really cared for her but in the end he dreams of her every night
he could never forget robert smith
@@pierced_veil Yeah and Robert apparently never forgets a meal.
@@inelhuayocan_aci ru calling him overweight or smth what 💀
Last night I dreamt that somebody loved me--Morrissey
@@pierced_veilRobert Smith is kind of irrelevant compared to the scale of the talent of morrissey and marr
Morrissey's first love is Marr and it hurts him even to this day. Love in a friendship way. I think he still misses him
Is anything more painful than unrequited love? I always thought "I Know Very Well How I Got My Name" was about Marr leaving.
sorry for the amateur psychology but if you read morrissey's autobiography it's clear he's got abandonment issues lmao some of his pre smiths friends either died or dumped him, it's literally there in print
he was in love with him or what?
"In a friendship way."
Ohoho, I've got bad news for you.
@@landonpowell6296 All men have secrets and here is mine... so let it be known
Sometimes denial is how people like morrissey deal with the loss of a good group of friends and colleges 😢
I do that
I find myself doing the same thing.
I will say the meanest things about people that I no longer speak to when I really wish they were still in my life.
I don’t want to be seen as weak or spineless for admitting that I miss them.
People already see me as weak for being handicapped and for being small so I need to overcompensate by being a dick
That’s just the way I am.
I can’t change it.
Well I probably could, but why bother.
I could watch Morrissey and Johnny dancing together forever and ever.
Grow up!! Moz and Johnny are in different worlds.
Lori Rothenbush that doesn’t matter at all. Morrissey and Johnny dancing together is probably one of the best videos of all time.
Hahahaha! Its funny and cool at the same time.
In my head they are still dancing, smiling and being happy together😖
I wouldn't call him a liar, I think it's his way of protecting himself... I think he's STILL very hurt, don't get me wrong, I think he's happier now, but I think he's hurt more so of how it happened... how the smiths ended. In a sense it can be seen as lying, but I think we all know how he truly feels.
+JT HM OHHHHH & you put together a niceeeeeee vid, good job!
Agree. He was and still is very hurt
I would say 'grow up'.
How did it end the smiths ? Just by Johnny marr leaving ???
@@heekyungkim8147pretty much yeah
Huge denial in Morrissey’s case. Meeting Johnny Marr was the best thing that ever happened to him and vice versa.
the way moz looks at marr when singing hand in glove...oh...:(...
Morrissey was so in love with him, he knew it had to end in order to not get hurt after Johnny married Angie
ANDY WRIGHT I knew it!!
100%
Think about 'I Won't Share You,' that's clearly about Johnny.
Eh idk i don't think that's really borne out by the evidence. the band split bc of stress and lack of management a year later and morrissey's never expressed any ill will towards angie. altho the way he talks abt johnny in the autobiography is pretty glowing...
truth
On the same level as Lennon and McCartney
When these two geniuses came together, it was something magical
“I really miss him, I haven’t seen him for a week” they were DEFINITELY in love
Maybe not they, but the Moz deffo did
@@underscore4505 nice pfp, the sound right?
@@xcxjcxfjff5656 yup, honestly never expected any1 to notice. Nice work lmao
maybe steven was but not johnny
“He’s just a friend, really” 😊
"We didn't like each other that much."
*every single BBAH mating dance sessions appear*
Mhm.
not the mating dance lmao 😭
thing is, as funny as it is to joke about all this shit, i do believe morrissey developed feelings for johnny and that it was simply too painful to watch him get married.
You may have hit the nail right on the head.
🎶🎶That joke isn’t funny anymore, it’s too close to home and it’s too near the bone🎶🎶
you should look up the date when i know it’s over was written and the date when johnny got married (summer of 85)
I think the song "paint a vulgar picture" on their final LP gives reference to their relationship.
@@Shrek_Fan holy shit. These lyrics are all starting to feel a bit different now lol
I've read Johnny's book, "Set the Boy Free", and it's clear that he adored Stephen. I've always wondered what could have been. Having said that, Johnny's new single is great.
geetarbube Oh boy, I’m reading that book right now. Went from the start to the Smiths’ origins in an entire day. Hard to put down.
I think Moz was very hurt after the Smiths so he is just saying that they didn't like each other... I bet Smiths were everything to him in that time and he was everything to them, otherwise they would broke up immediately.
His name is Steven! Moz and Mar are worlds apart today. I can't get into their heads but, life for them is what it is. Content I hope.
how shit is Stephen’s tho he must be gutted he’s done that in the last three 😂😂😂😂
lowkey sobbing
5:13
ah yes
paul morressey
lead singer from the greatest 80s indie band "the murphys"
Omg I didn't notice 😭😭
People evolve and mature but no matter how much they do, they still have the same essence. Morrisey’s main message of his songs, among other stuff, was basically “I pretend I do not care because I do too much”. He was the most loving and passionate guy and with Marr by his side he was even happier, but it hurted him too that he didn’t feel the same or that he was in denial about his feelings. So now he pretends he doesn’t care, because he does too much. And it still hurts. It’s beautiful and sad at the same time
They are adorable together!
Audio is all over the place.
He was probably his first crush moz is just playing it cool hahaha
this makes me want to cry
"we didn't like each other" no you loved each other!
No. It was probably a platonic love.
Mahir Şamil still love lol
So true and so sad that it had to end this way.😢
@@laurenurfather1426 pretty sure only Morrissey loved him. I remember an interview Morrissey is calling him a very special person who means a great deal while Marr said he’s a friend
He loved being a Smith , didn't want the Smiths to split in 87 , had the farewell gig in December 88 with three ex Smiths , continued to work with them on and off until 1990 and mourned the demise of the Smiths in interviews for years , even when he was promoting Kill Uncle in 1991. I remember the interviews. Time distorts memories , and no doubt he is happier now , but after the court case he obviously became very bitter and dismissive of his former bandmates , and although he retains a healthy respect for Marrs musicianship, he has burned his bridges with all of them.
As i have aged i look back at those moments when my friends and i own the world, and i smiled, sadly conflicts in perspectives and maturity drove a wedge between us, today i no longer speak to any of them, I do smiled when i think of them. I am certain when Morrissey looks back he simply smiles.
Its same for most people ..
Dean Roy you are 100percent right....my best friends are no longer in my life....but I do look back and laugh at some of the great times we had 😊
David McDonald - Same here mate.
That is one of the hardest thing about growing up. Its the growing apart. Knowing some people you were super compatible at a moment in your life grew apart and are no longer compatible. Truly sad but thats that weird happiness we feel when we get nostalgia. It's basically reliving a moment, a feeling once again and knowing it was real and it will always be in your memory.
Someone should get them all together and show them this video
The more you ignore him, the closer he’ll get. Remember that!
For me one of the greatest musical pairings. They just worked so well together. I like morriseys solo career but Marr had a way of giving his words the best platform which sometimes morriseys music, I personally feel, is let down by now.
the band has ended, the legacy hasn't.
"We didn't like each other that much" I always thought he meant the other two tbh, not Johnny
When he said “we were young and we didn’t know what we were doing!” It was funny because they were on the way to becoming the best band of the last 40 years!
Exactly! If anything, The Smiths was the band were he actually became relevant; afterwards, not at all.
One of the most amazing bands ever...
As a teenager I absolutely loved The Smiths but I always thought that if Morrissey and I met in real life we could never be friends because he'd hate me. Never had that feeling with any other musician. I know that thought is super random but Im actually afraid of him ahah
Mostly people are
wait, same, mostly because he and I have the same general personality and we're both attracted to people unlike ourselves
i always thought i could get him to be my bestfriend lmao
I’d like to slap the mortal shit out of Morrissey’s smug face….and watch him cry hot tears.
morrissey’s smile at 6:10 🥺🥺🥺
Morrissey was totally trying to hug Johnny at 5:54
nadia medina ofc
He can’t say he misses them. But he knows his lyrics were taken to a higher level with Marr, Rourke and Joyce next to him. They were just perfection. Whatever they say, I know the truth.
All I can do is love them with all my heart.
Me too x
Same here😢 I just flew to the uk to see moz and Johnny I got the chance to see Johnny he said I was gorgeous
*Paul Morressey has changed SO much since his time with Warhol. And gotten YOUNGER too*
Paul is his cousin and my God, has he changed LMAO
oh, i thought you were serious. and was continuing the laughs. enough!!
Quite sure that was a reference to Lennon-McCartney
I weep for the reunion tour we will never see.
Morrissey's body of work spans 40 years now. Always original and never apologetic, he is still producing finely crafted musical gems to this day.
I’ve also read “Set the Boy Free” and in it Marr tried to make contact with Moz again, but Moz dropped the ball again and never communicated with Marr after that, so Marr just simply wrote him off. That sort of thing. I also agree with the Morrissey denial bit. He likes to portray this English thug vibe which I hate so much. Where’s all the peace and love????
I think post-Smiths Morrissey felt emboldened for a while, like he could do anything, and tried to become the opposite of what he used to be in many ways. Pushing his limits. Maybe trying to become the sort of person he felt in his youth that he'd never have the capacity to be, just to prove he could do it.
M. S. I agree with you. He did feel emboldened especially circa “Your Arsenal” era. He also holds today some problematical opinions, which doesn’t bother me so much as everyone is entitled to theirs and I don’t buy into political correctness, but it does show how he doesn’t care about anyone but himself and his stardom. And now that he’s 60 years old and playing Vegas he’s hit that “twilight” moment in his life as a performer. Who knows how much longer he’ll continue to play the music game.
Hardy Harhar well i guess if i didn’t care i wouldn’t bother making a note. The way I see it is that Marr for the most part seems like an honest guy and portrays a willingness to collaborate, even if with Morrissey who does seem “truculent” about getting back together. I do enjoy quite a bit of Morrissey’s single material and I wouldn’t begrudge any artist who wants to explore different modes of expression. So I agree with your typecast notion, just that I am like countless others who would love to see Marr and Morrissey bury the hatchet and write new material together again. So if that’s “typecasting” then so be it.
@@CarlBowlby I actually really like what you said. I don't think that people's political views are the perfect way of judging them because people are so much more than that, just as you cant judge a person only based on their talent for example. (Also thumbs up for not buying PC, its fucking bullshit) I don't like many of the things Moz says and I get pretty embarrassed by them, but I still think that deep down under all the dickness he has a good heart. I think he's just really bitter. Seeing his life's story and relating it to my personal experience I get the impression that The Smiths era gave him a sense of hope in his depression, he had music, fans, Johnny, everything was finally right, but then they ruined it. He being hypersensitive and having huge ego couldn't help the situation and it was lost for good. I think that it shattered his hopes - he never got a stable relationship, he calls his (dead) cat his son, if you listen to his lyrics, they got even sadder (he was always depressing but in a childish more exaggerated way plus he was adding a lot of humour while now its more serious), after the Smiths he also became more controversial. He just seems so bitter in the sense that life has disappointed him deeply which is such a shame because (although I still like him, he's so honestly brutal, intelligent and different than others) he lost his charm of that delicate boy who doesn't want to hurt others because he's hurt so much himself. Speaking of his music itself I actually prefer him solo, its more mature, but it doesn't really matter as I adore all the work though out his career. Sorry for the lengthy comment, but your opinion highly resonated with me, because most people just say he's a knob or say that he's God and you seemed to have something more interesting to say.
@@oyemate8647 why thank you so much for your very thoughtful reply. You sound like a really cool person. And i like your Lennon “icon” or badge or whatever they’re called! Ha ha! I could respond to so much of what you said but I don’t know where to begin, honestly. I do like Moz’s new album a lot, I think it shows a side of himself that he’s hidden away for many, many years. He even mentions his grandmother on the album. Does a “survey” of musical instruments in one song, and some others which are very solid material. But anyway, chat me up if you want at my email if you want to continue this convo. If not, best of wellness and peace your way! Cheers!
they were in love and nobody can convince me otherwise.
or at least morrissey was in love w marr
Sounds and looks like they were in love with each other, looks like they had great times together? My Favourite Band ever & I never saw them, my biggest regret!!! ✌️
That Morrissey dude just said “ we were young and we didn’t know what we were doing “ . And the Smiths is the result of that ??? . Faaack man the life of gifted talented souls .
Wait a second. This is about that bit on the Larry King interview? I don't think he's lying so much as protecting himself from something he'll never have again. He was young and shy and he threw all of his raw emotions into the songs and the performances. I think he wanted to write those songs, but when The Smiths broke up it was painful. I think it was painful for all of the band members. Some people can revisit intense emotions, some people can't. Johnny knocking on his door was a surreal moment in music history. Johnny and Morrissey were really close and only they know how things went down when The Smiths split up. Pain. Misery. Jealousy. Suffering. To ask someone to relive that might be asking too much. Interview after interview, on and on, for years. Years.
that's called lying
1:09 when Johnny wants to do something WE LET HIM oK????????
Eh, it's just Morrissey's way of saying I love you. Especially when something as transformative as the Smiths happens to you at a young age it creates a lot of complex, conflicting feelings that you either learn to accept and look back fondly on or distance yourself from. If you think this is him being "evil" then I have to wonder if you've actually heard his music, lol.
we chose the names the smiths cos its the most ordinary name and we believe the ordinary man should be heard ...love x
Love young Morrissey. Hate old Morrissey.
DC why!?
They're the exact same
MILKY young morrissey was also a racist
kneazle3603,what made him a racist? I’m just asking I’m not trying to be rude Iv never seen any comment of his that is racist but I haven’t many of his comments on anything so
wabi sabi said reggae was the most racist music in the world, saw an interview where apartheid came up and he said he had unclear feelings on the matter.
You say that You boys never liked each other that much but I have always loved you all that much and I thank you all deeply for the devine Deliverance you have helped me journey through and receive
I think Morrissey's song 'Billy Budd' proves more than anything else that he was fibbing about not liking Marr.
"Angel, Angel, Down We Go Together" is pretty conclusive as well.
I've also seen it suggested that Marr was in the picture by the bed in 'Late Night, Maudlin Street'.
The fact that Morrissey backtracks so much about it, to the point where he snapped "why doesn't anyone ask if Johnny Marr was in love with me?" at an interviewer, kind of tells you everything you need to know.
@@m.s.7756 wait what happened? which interview is this? could u send me the link pls?
@@ayodyasesa5670 it's from I-D, May 2004, you can find scans on illnessasart
Johnny Marr is incredible. Much of the seemingly simple things he is playing is much harder than flashier guitar heroes. Will Sergeant of Echo and the Bunnymen, while not quite as technically talented, is also an amazing non-showy player. The Edge from U2 as well, of course, although that's due more to creativity and use of effects often. Robin Guthrie of Cocteau Twins and solo work is another. David Roback of Mazzy Star is worth looking into, as well. Kevin Shields of course. Oh, look at me, I'm rambling.
Christian Gasior
Good observations, actually.
Marr’s playing is so captivating despite its simplicity. And it’s always perfectly calibrated to the melodic and emotional pitch of every song.
The thing about Marr’s writing is that it’s easy to play, yet it’s quite complex in terms of structure. Imagine trying to write the guitar part for “This Charming Man”. A very simple song with complex rhythm patterns, this shows Marr’s creativity and skill for writing guitar licks, one of the best guitarists ever in that aspect.
Seventeen Seconds
Yes, the rhythms are always interesting and counterpoint(not in the technical sense) the melody.
Marr wrote great riffs that never upstaged but always served the song.
I think Marr adapted a Nigerian High life rhythm for This Charming Man.
Just to think in that direction shows how fertile a musical imagination Marr has.
Christian Gasior I don't think Marr or the smiths get as much credit as they should. So incredibly tight and complex. I grew up loving the cure more but in my older age I see that the smiths were better musically.
With a couple of notable exceptions I can't stand 30 note a second screech guitarists - gimme the players Christian mentioned every time.
I'm conflicted between contemporary Morrissey and the Smiths. It feels like Morrissey betrayed much of the sentiment created by the Smiths, which was a feeling of solidarity shared between marginalised groups and those who felt like outcasts, by vocally supporting the political party 'For Britain'. For Britain is a nationalist, right-wing populist party, who champions strong anti-immigration and anti-islam sentiment, and in many people's eyes, promotes racism and ethnonationalism. In my opinion, For Britain, and in right-wing ideology in general, simply seems contradictory to the messages expressed by the Smiths.
And for those who think that you can separate the artist and the art, you're wrong. Art is a reflection of the artist; their beliefs, mood, experiences, creativity, etc. Your politics are an extension of your beliefs, and ergo, is linked to your art. A lot of famous artists and bands (The Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Creedence Clearwater, Pink Floyd) had explicitly political songs, and to remove politics from the artist would completely destroy the music. Even the Smiths' music was political, doesn't anyone remember 'Meat is Murder'. How do you separate Morrissey, an animal rights activist, from the political sentiment behind "Meat is Murder"?
You can appreciate art created by a "bad" person, in fact, I think that makes it more interesting, but you can never separate the art and artist.
People's views change over time, you yourself know the contradictory sentiments of Morrissey in his lyrics during the Smiths and his later solo work. Do you think the Morrissey of the Smiths would agree to the Morrissey of today? You can still listen and like the Smiths and even Morrissey's solo work and not like Morrissey himself, because what he sings and writes is relatable to what others feel too, feelings of sorrow, dread, hope and love, feelings most of us have felt at some point, and he does an excellent job of expressing those feelings through music. That's what his art conveys, or at least most of the time
@@enriqueosorio3731 I think I agree with you. It's tough to accept but people are complicated, often hypocrtical creatures which operate over a lengthy period of time. We too often like to wrap them up in neat little bows so we can, as we are evolutionarily designed to do, categorise and sort.
I think it is best just to accept artists as human, art as subjective expression, and not try and decipher logical ideas from music.
Dude just shut up with this political bs for the sake of god. We already get you all don't like Morrissey's political views, no need to call him out on every single smiths related comment section. You guys need to grow out of this snowflake mentality and understand people have different opinions on different things. I'm pretty sure Morrissey doesn't identify as a far right person and doesn't think he's ideas are by any means racist or anything, you all are the ones who keep giving him this label and that's why he secluded himself from the media
@@enriqueosorio3731 Young Morrissey and today's Morrissey live in very different societies, have different levels of maturity and experiences, he might as well always had the views he has now but he didn't live in a time where advocate for them would be necessary or make any sense. In fact judging by how people ostracized him nowadays I'd say he's still on that rebel side against mainstream values. likewise, his views on meat consumption and animal cruelty haven't changed in the slightest
@@anjo1726 I don't particularly care. It's a Smiths video, and this is the comment section, so I voiced my opinion.
I don't particularly care if Morrissey self-identifies as racist, he doesn't need to.
I also think it's ironic to call someone a "snowflake", then go on an irrelevant screed about how you don't like my opinion.
If you're offended by my opinion, perhaps you should heed your own advice and "grow up out of the snowflake mentality".
Maybe that's just how he remembers it, and perhaps thought he wasn't liked by the rest of the band. There could be many other reasons than lying.
i love Morrissey but this hurts sm;-;
If only these four can get together and realise the magic they created together and try to let bygones be bygones it could be just what the world needs!
Sadly this will never going to happen.
@@jennywolff2120 yep RIP Andy Rourke
I fall out of love more whenever I hear him speak. He has become petulant, bitter, juvenile, and simply not very clever or interesting anymore. Marr, the complete opposite.
spitting facts
lowkey tho
all men have secrets and here is mine so let it be known
I'll go down with this ship
This is a really fun video! Thank you!
Of all the controversial quotes I've heard people throw out there to justify their resentment of Morrissey, hearing him describe Marr's musical style as "rudimentary" is the only one that's ever made me set my coffee down and say "alright, man. Stop right there. You're talking nonsense."
It wasn't an insult, I think he was trying to compliment Johnny and couldn't find the right word. He said. "I don't want to say 'rudimentary' because that sounds like he can't play his instrument, which he certainly could..." and sort of stumbles a bit. I think he meant that JM was not showy, his could use a 'sparse' style at times that was very emotive - think "Back to the Old House" and "Well I Wonder." M said in 2004, 'I sensed such sadness in those rolling chords."
Morrissey! If it weren’t for Johnny Mar, you wouldn’t be successful. The patron saint of East LA.
thank you so much for this i love this thank you
im just gonna go cry and write marrissey fanfiction
i need marrissey fanfic send me some please
Learn to spell his name correctly!
+DrummerGrrrl we do know how to spell his name the ship name for Jhonny Marr and Morrissey is Marrissey
M A R R I S S E Y
Send us some fanfics, plz
sobbing
i think the break up of the band after Marr's departure marked the end of that unique friendship. It's happened to all the great bands because the connection in the band was where it was it's most pronounced. Otherwise these two are oil and vinegar individually.
Morri "We didn't like each other that much" sey
UM BR OPA KAKAKAKAKAKK eaeee
I like the people mature enough to listen to music even if they don't like a certain political opinion from a member of the group. Music transcends politics.
They are both so full of it. Marr is a hypocrite, cause he talked Ian and Will into getting Echo and the Bunnymen back together, but won’t do that with the Smiths. Then he essentially says it’s not interesting to play the old stuff, which he does now all the time when he tours. 🙄
Cause morrissey is a bad person and it would be detrimental to him commercially
Have you seen the shite that Morrisey has said about him?
Stephen Morrissey. If there ever were a case where the world is not black and white, then it's him.
Oh yes they were young and Morrissey doesn't miss it? Or course he does, he doesn't want to admit it. To me they fight like two married couple! I think they are fine without each other now with what there own musical aspirations. As much as Morrissey can say blah blah, he respects Marr! We may not see it but deep down he does. Do I see a reunion? If they do, I an pretty sure Morrissey and Marr would do it for the music than oppose to Rouke and Joyce for the money.
Morrissey was spectacular alway's& they wrote some great songs& the musicianship was good 😊
me when i lie
having been 16 when their first LP came out, it was not a party unless there was dancing
I remember chucking that album out ov my car window because u just gotta move on nobody likes a dry lunch ffs😂😂🖖
Big fan of Paul Morressey.A great artist he is.
PAUL MORRESSEY
Moz's latest open letter intended for Marr to see and Marr's political beliefs being in sharp contrast to Moz's own make a reunion irrevocable.
7:50 Grrraaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaa...AAAAAAAA-AA-A-AH! AhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHH! Aaaaaaaaaah!
I wish I had seen them live. I love them so much but maybe it's better that they broke up. At least that's how I explain it to myself :))
Wish They Would Unite, During Times Like This, We Need Them!
What happens at 1:21? Is Johnny kissing his ear or blowing into it or something?
He's the equivalent to Kurt Cobain in the US. Quiet desperation is the English way no screaming required just a cup of tea and a good moan.
Andy M good pink floyd reference
No he isn’t lmao. Kurt cobain in is so much better as a person than morriesy ever will be
I love Morrissey 💙🇬🇧
luckily the music is great....no relationship lasts forever...especially in touring bands
3:48 LMAO they look like Oompa Loompas
Morrissey is a damn liar.
Why does Morrissey say bad things about Jonny Marr,God they will never get back together...i had my hopes up...but the Smith's are dead
Lucky we have there music to listen to
The Queen is truly dead.
+Mark M no, he's alive and well.
Reunions are always for the band members' bank balance. Why dredge up the past - especially as they 'never liked each other that much'?
people love to hate him now but they all secretly know how great he is
he said that knowing damn well he wrote hand in glove about Johnny
*wE DiDNt LiKE EaChoThEr mUCh*
I adored him then and even more today. For Britain. England is for the English.
Headmaster ritual is better than most bands entire back catalogue .
Everything has a life span..I'm afraid.
I'm sobbing
i'm crying
Im so sad about this, and I don't know why he says that they didn't like each other very much, maybe he's right
Denial