@@hotchocolate5908 idc about pronouns. Cry ab it. In school I learned that if I see a girl, its she. If I see a man, its he. Thats what im sticking by. I don't wanna waste my life worrying ab pronouns when I don't even give a single shit about peoples names or lives on the internet
AND their weights as well, which I think is even much more dangerous and potentially harmful both to the artist and impressionable fans who might already be struggling with EDs or body issues.
@@xerogravityy Hyuna's said herself that she actually has a condition that makes it super hard for her to gain weight. She's trying to gain weight, actually, bc she says she's underweight. She recently celebrated gaining a bit in an instagram post. Also, body height alone isn't a good enough indicator for how much you should weigh. I'm the same height as Yuna from Itzy but we have very different body types, so it'd be really unhealthy for me to weigh as little as she does, though she looks healthy as well.
THANK YOU!!! Someone who understands/acknowledges that sampling and plagiarism are not the same thing. Too many people have no clue as to how song production is behind the scenes and the interactions that happen leading to the full publication of a song. A lot of songs that sound similar are because of either using the same stems or using a stem from a song that was previously agreed upon being able to use.
The worst is when people cant even do the basic research behind songs producers/ and or writers before claiming plagiarism, so many times the 2 songs in question happened to be written bu the same ppl. You cant plagiarize urself lol
"Jeongyeon's TWICE and Jimin's BTS" made me laugh so hard, because the way you said it means that TWICE is owned by Jeonyeong and BTS is owned by Jimin. Should've been "TWICE's Jeongyeon and BTS' Jimin" hehe.
40 minutes long and only a part 1?!?! I feel spoiled, so this is my way to say thanks :) Intro - 0:00 What is an "iceberg"? - 1:06 Disclaimer - 1:20 Tier one: Koreaboos - 2:33 The Big 3 - 3:13 Lipsyncing - 4:04 Jeongyeon & Jimin - 7:45 Fanfiction - 9:19 Cultural Appropriation - 9:45 Plastic Surgery - 10:45 Plagiarism - 11:21 Tier two: Irene & Stylist Scandal - 13:27 Chinese Idol Mistreatment - 17:37 The Dallas Police Fancam Spam - 19:08 The ATEEZ "please leave" Instagram live - 19:49 Nature's Leggings - 20:21 (Flash Warning) Hyuna & Dawn - 20:48 Idols Turned CEO - 22:14 Stan LOONA - 22:53 Chen's Baby and Wife - 23:33 Tier Three Dreamcatcher Cheated Out of a Music Show Win - 24:15 La Vie En Rose Origin - 25:13 Ghosts in Kpop - 26:04 Miss A's Screaming Man - 28:27 Ori - 29:04 Heechul Fanfics - 29:50 The Kai/Krystal Seal Incident - 30:38 Double Standars - 31:09 Sajaegi - 32:47 Sasaengs & Stalkers - 33:14 Nayeon Stalker - 34:30 Sasaengs as Idols - 35:03 Tier Four: Fake Birthdays & Fake Ages - 36:36 Somi's PD101 Fight - 37:57 Inkigayo Sandwiches - 38:51 (loved the suga fancam btw) Changmin in Victoria's Spoon - 39:46 Who's Next? - 40:35 Yuri's Lesbian Love Triangle - 42:36 Jessica of SNSD - 43:41 ACE Antifans Attacks - 44:58 Stellar Sexualization - 45:31 Cyber Bullying - 48:15 Autro - 49:10
The big 3 will never change because they paved the way for everyone today and those in the future BUT I think there should be a Hot 3 to represent the biggest companies at the moment.
Exactly, and aside your well-explained reason, another one would be that finance is not the main criteria to be part of the big 3 to begin with, as a lot seemingly assume, or else indeed Big Hit would have the throne, the crown and the scepter hands down. In reality, the big 3 detained a plethora of political connections in their sleeves throughout Asia and beyond, and not necessary the cleanest one. The sponsors concept in K-pop is not a little cherry on top of a cake, therefore those links and deals made behind the curtains are not about to stop anytime soon to assure them the stability to remain in power in the K-pop industry, having BTS and their incomes in their ranks or not.
that's something i always tell new fans. "don't trust mr removed videos/audio because it's never accurate." honestly i have been a kpop fan since 2008 and i remember every few years or so there's a trend where people make fun of "live vocals" and they're mr removed videos. i can't ever take them seriously because mr removed videos really really REALLY (i am definitely stressing this word out) aren't reliable. not to mention people bring up these clips to "prove" an artist "sucks" on an idol they hate lol. and it frustrates me when people think of it as an actual legitimate source to find artists' "true voices".
This. Also, as someone who knows a thing or two about real time pitch correction (my friends are in the industry), we cannot trust someone's vocals as soon as it is not live sung in front of you and a microphone is involved. Real time "autotune" exists to even out vocals. KPop fans demand perfection and act all gasping monkey gif when someone tells them about how exactly that perfection is achieved. And idols NEED that pitch corrector. In the words of Idina Menzel "If you hit 50% of your notes, it's a good show!". Dancing those crazy choreographies and singing perfectly on pitch is IMPOSSIBLE. The first jump will upset your even notes. Also, yes, backing tracks also exist.
@@EmpressCosplay that's literally why i can't take mr removed audio seriously, i am a thousand percent aware that back tracking exists and that's the main thing you hear when you mr remove stuff. of course it's going to sound different, of course it's going to sound a bit weird possibly, because it's meant to aide the main vocals and provide support in the back. the problem is a lot of newbie kpoppers or people who don't fully understand how audio works don't understand that. that's why we need more videos of people explaining how it works and whatnot. i would make one but i am not like, an expert, lol. also yay hello fellow kpop grandparent :')) ❤️
I think we should just always always ALWAYS get companies to be held accountable especially the big ones because smaller companies tend to copy what the big ones does. The big companies made what KPOP is today and it just makes sense that it will continue that way.
i think many people are afraid to get invested in a group from small company becouse they are afraid the group wont make it and disband and then they will be very desapointed. If a new group is from the big 3 there is a good chance the group wont disband so it brings more fans into the fandom
@@SeaDemon25 that’s a really valid point you’re bringing up but instead of being afraid that they’re disbanding why do people don’t give them a chance? I mean I only stan groups from small companies and yeah some already disbanded but their music is amazing and I really enjoy them. And many groups from small companies have a lot of comebacks and they really try hard but people just don’t give them a chance.
- Hyuna & Dawn: I heard she openly spoke about their relationship at the time because people were accusing her of having improper behavior towards Dawn, they were calling her an abus**r and it was a way for her deny the allegations before it got out of hand, if she didn't talk about it then maybe the situation would escalate, it was unfortunate to be happening at the same time Pentagon was getting momentum, plus the horrible way Cube dealt the situation, but she didn't it selfishly as many say. - Sasaengs: They are pretty scary, and yes, thank you for reminding people that >some< fansites are also sasaengs, like the way they take great lengths to take idols photos in places they shouldn't be, eg: whenever they get on a plane and there's countless pictures at the airport but there's pictures in the waiting area after the security, to take those the fansites/sasaengs had to book a flight to be there and often it's the same one as the idols, so if you end up seing one of these from a fansite, they are sasaengs. Another tip to know if a fansite is actually a sasaeng is if they often hide the square at the bottom of the preview photos, since it can show how distant the camera was from the person being photographed, if they do it, they probably wasn't in a safe distance so they are hiding this info to not be outted as sasaengs. It's not actually that hard to imagine that there's possible more idols out there that are/were sasaengs, since if even here on the other side of the planet there's people that want to become idols just to be closer to people they are fans of and they would be sasaengs if they could, being on the same country and having an easy access to become trainee and eventually debuting in a group make me believe it's not a common case but it isn't that rare either. - Fake Ages: Lol, on the newest video on Wonho's personal channel it showed his birthday as 1992.3.1, so it kind of confirmed he also was a "victim" of Starship obsession of making the leaders the oldest member even if they actually aren't, besides the times he was referred by the other members as the oldest of Monsta X or the few instances where Shownu used hyung while talking to him.
If i was doing a really intense dance routine i'd want some backing vocals too, I can't imagine how tiring it must be to sing and dance at the same time.
7:38 Soobeanie is now working with DKDKTV and had a very detailed session on music shows performances during a DK Tea live stream, I personally did the time stamps on that so it's easy to follow, really really cool and interesting stuff
tbh i just find the jimin & jeongyeon situation funny, which is why i put them both in my user. to make it more positive since i know a lot of people try to dive into it. i feel like when people dive into it, it can also kinda be like they’re invading their privacy if that makes sense. we don’t know what happened between them and we shouldn’t make too much of a big deal about it, it’s none of our business anyway.
I... got something to say regarding Stellar: the company is terrible, but the executives are not the only ones to blame. Hear me out. Marionette was a scandal, it actually got Stellar attention, and the group actually released two songs, Mask and Fool, before Vibrato. I think I remember Stellar members talking about how both Mask and Fool were largely ignored by the public because they were sexy but not out there to the same extent as Marionette. And the public, the audience - K-Pop fans - didn't want these songs or concepts. All the new "fans" Stellar had gained with Marionette were essentially demanding hypersexual concepts, and after two "flops", Vibrato and later Sting were released. The key point here is that fans, and in particular those who were there for "soft p**n", made exploiting the girls profitable (tragically). Therefore, fans also need to acknowledge their responsibility as they were the driving force behind the company's decision. If less provocative concepts had been a success, the fan community might have been able to stop this from happening. I'm not here to defend the company (I think it's Entertainment Pascal or something) - the executives made despicable decisions for personal gain. But it's not surprising that a company is supposed to generate profits, and that executives respond to consumers' demands. Again, their methods were terrible, despicable, disgusting, but the consumers (aka fans) had the power to not consume hypersexualized content and stop all of exploitation before it even started. In order to not let this happen again, can we all please be smarter consumers? As a community, we can let companies know what we want to see, and if we notice, one way or the other, that idols are uncomfortable, we can let our money speak while also spreading awareness.
Good points. Mask is sexy enough (I don’t think over the top, but the ladies looked great) and probably my favorite Stellar song. It should have done very well.
I like how you mentioned being smarter consumers. I think that’s a huge problem that is not talked about. Those who make it and consume the content are at fault. Honestly you said it better than I ever could!💖👏
Hahaha, I remember the Dallas Police thing. I live in the suburbs of Dallas so it was on the local news. That shit was so funny. Even non kpop fans on Twitter were saying “aight that’s pretty clever”.
I'm almost 2 minutes in, but just wanted to say an iceberg is used as a metaphor for the unknown and unseen, and that's usually dark, the reason for that metaphor is that actual icebergs in the world only have 20% of their mass above water, the 80% left is not seen by anyone who's not willing to dive deeper. Anyway, back to the video!
Hi. I explain somewhere in the video that my version focuses on the concept of the deeper you get the worse it gets. So not the typical iceberg but I wanted to do it like this 🤗
Idk but I feel like a lot of fans don't really think about these idols and their feelings and judge them too harshly without attempting to understand or wrongfully placing them on a pedestal. I mean.. if somebody told you they'd make you famous if you got a nose job and pretended to be a year younger and couple inches taller I feel like a lot of people would overwhelmingly just roll with it. They're just people.
I've been a kpop fan for almost 12 years now i knew all of this but still watch it haha, anyways as someone who knew you really explained it well thankyou
I’m mixed on Fanfiction. I do think it can get creepy and “mature”, but I also know that most the time it’s not the actual person, rather a Fortite skin of the idol (like Keanu Reeves as John Wick in that game). They use the person as a fill in of their character (and as a visual to help create characters). I’m an inspiring author and I use real/fiction characters all the time for to base my characters off of. Just as long as people realize it’s not the real person and what is stated is fiction, I don’t think it’s that bad. It’s creepy with “mature” scenes though and we have to call out the Fifty Shades Of Grey Series and After Series, since both are former fanfiction turned into a movie and published novels. But I don’t think people are saying the funfictions are the actual representation of the real people the based them off of.
@@jihoonscarat dont worry abt it !! english isn’t my first language and i sometimes have trouble understanding when native speakers talk but i understood you perfectly ^^
@@jihoonscarat thank you so much you are so sweet!!! i'm in the middle of video and it's sooo interesting. thank you so much for your hard work and the amount of research you did for this!!!!
Honestly the topics you have chosen I am super happy with, I actually had not heard of lots of these so learnt alot. I think the term Koreaboo is demonised but personally I think you can be a Koreaboo without wanting to be Korean. Like being into Kpop so much you Internet handle is a kpop term, Asian pfp, having special kpop social media like a RUclips channel or TikTok, posting covers etc. I think that's pretty Koreaboo. I love that Heechul wrote fanfiction and likes it. I think people shouldn't take fanfiction or shipping so serious. Jimin and Jungyeon, I can actually see it being a thing tbf Miss A screaming man there is one of them in April Mayday. I won't speak on Jessica. Victorias spoon 😂 Just iconic. The 3 way lesbian triangle, I am all here for it. Yuri would be a fine addition to lesbianism, I hope if she is, she has a happy life. Stellar sexualisation is something that I am torn with. The girls have been open about all of this but the girls are not completely innocent in this. Yes, they are traumatised but they were also themselves desperate for the success, hence why they put up with it. I think it's very easy to be ashamed of something after you've done something but allow it at the time out of desperation for success. There is an element of desperation why idols allow and permit such treatment. Aswell as contracts of course. But we have to have to know that idols CAN leave or file suits. It happens alot. Yes it costs them, but it costs the company too. Really enjoyed the video as always! I look forward to part 2
that can't be true tho... -Teaser posted on November 16th 2016 was for a SECHSKIES album re release so not a debut. -Another teaser in 2016 was for Blackpinks Square Two maybe I'm misunderstanding the posts but at least on those two occasion they use Who's Next
One time Stray Kids was accused of plagiarising 3Racha. 3Racha consists of three members, all three of whom are in fact Stray Kids members. Bang Chan is CB97, Seo Changbin is SPREAB and Han Jisung is J.One
i don't even know why "vivi's fake age" was on that iceberg, let alone in a tier that low 😭 when vivi lived in hong kong (her birthplace), she used to lie about her age to get modelling gigs. that's it, there's no huge conspiracy behind it 😭 this is pretty common in the modelling industry, my girl was just trying to get paid 🙏 some anti on a korean community website made a post about it, they must've found a profile or something. and then certain "k-pop news" blogs started reporting it as fact 🤕logically as a foreign idol promoting permanently in korea, she'd have no way to lie about her age
from what i can tell the person that made the original iceberg set it up that way is it was a theory that not everyone knows about. not like i do where the lower you go the darker the stuff is. but yea people are looking a bit too much into her age
I just wanna say, thank you so much for this video. I have loved kpop for over 10 years and there are several things that I did not know. You must have researched intensely for a long time and I (and everyone else) can tell. I learned so much from this video, and I can't wait for part 2. I love your videos and thank you so much for deciding to become a RUclipsr.
U talked about irenes situation and the editor/stylist posts but never mentioned how half the industry stood with irene and even stranger that met her stood up for her and people till this day bring irenes name on Twitter just bcs they don't know things like this so pls don't mislead it~
I don’t think I was misleading. This wasn’t supposed to be a breakdown of the whole situation and the after math. It was only a brief explanation of the situation, what happened and what Irene did as a result.
And i just wanna make sure before there's any misunderstanding, when it comes to chinese members mistreatment i think jun and minghao's case isn't too severe like other idols, pledis still give them lots of freedom in creating their own project like solo songs, the8 with his contemporary videos, jun with his covers, and etc. also xcss is the one who manage their activities in china (not pledis directly).. im not trying to defend pledis or saying that it's a good company but as my observation jun and minghao are not being mistreated bcs that is a strong word, maybe more of a mismanagement in some cases
Well it’s gotten a lot better the past year or two but they used to be treated so badly. I talk about this in my Pledis video but they wouldn’t get promoted properly, on one occasion Pledis left jun alone at an airport for 24 hours because THEY screwed up his working permit. Here is a great thread about the shit they have done to jun :twitter.com/junhuiloops/status/1308113784108613632?s=21
@@jihoonscarat Thankyou for explaining me about this! That's so bad :(( yes maybe i was looking at the recent things only i didn't notice pledis' behaviors towards china line in the past.. im glad that they are treated better now i hope pledis won't make the same mistakes again in the future (i kinda doubt this) once again thankyouu
After watching this video, I need someone to make a video game with a water level and the instrumental is just Bad Boy lol I never would have thought that the sound and that concept worked so well together 🌊
You talked about chinese mistreatment but forgot to talk about the first one, Hangeng from Super Junior, the one that started everything, his story is super important when it comes to this topic
I personally don't care if an idol sings live or lip syncs because i know that there are stans out there who literally freak out when they don't hear live vocals or when their faves get called out for not singing live....it's wild
@@_greenbean09 WJSN's are for the concept Every member represents a zodiac sign, because they debuted as 12 members it kinda made sense, but they didn't covered all the signs, so Soobin, Dawon and Luda had to get a new date Then they added Yeonjung and now it is so useless lmao
about the plagiarism part - there's a very well known singer amongst young people in my country (israel) that actually copied the melody of one of shaun's songs... but the song the israeli singer sang was about his breakup with his (also super famous) gf, which is really funny. because kpop isn't really popular in my country, not that many people have noticed.
It is 2021 people should stop hating artists that do lipsync and the rightful use of samples(with credits) Most concerts when they arrive at those HARDCORE choreos or Medleys of old ass songs every single group will use lipsync or prerecorded base to support them
@@jihoonscarat I think it's because of the whole "idol" concept where these fans think they have a chance with them but once these idols get married, the illusion is broken. I've noticed that it's very intense when it comes to EXO in general.
Good video sis. But the music you use from "Bad boy" at 2:24 and other times is kinda loud next time lower the volume a little bit on your editor so it's less jarring. 👍
Since this is not in the iceberg you made but I hope you talk about this one too: idols not allowed to have a phone. This happens mostly for smaller groups and they are only allowed to have one when they already get successful. It is not that deep 1. This means they won't be able to contact their parents whenever they need to. 2. I know that CA is wrong and people should educate them but I don't think they need to be cancelled because if they don't have a phone they won't be able to educate themselves properly so companies should be the one teaching it to their artists.
Can I be honest? I think that Korea needs to start showing love to natural faces alot more. A lot of these ppl feel insecure about their faces so they go and get surgery. But Korea is very judgmental when it comes to looks they put down people who don’t look like that certain beauty standard. And it’s sad really.
it’s kinda annoying how the Irene scandal has been swept under the rug, what if the roles where switched? that stylist probably would have been blacklisted or something
hongki celebrates his birthday three times a year lol the first one is set on the date he was born in the lunar year (6th february), since the date for lunar calendar always changes his birthday he also celebrates this date when it's the actual date on the lunar calendar (e.g: his lunar birthday was on 28th of february in 2020) and he also celebrates his fixed birthday based on solar calendar on march 2nd it's a total mess i get you if you don't understand
ok i think my comment about the deep fakes has been deleted? hope Jihoons Carat saw it and plans on making a video regarding it next to bring light to this crime
@@jihoonscarat youtube keeps deleting my comment and replies to you which got about 130 likes… all i’m gonna say so it doesn’t get deleted for the fourth time. deep fakes of female idols. i typed down all the info about it but it looks like even when i censor the vulgar words it still gets deleted. it’s been going on for years and it’s done to underaged female idols. esp how many are worrying aespas concept will put them at risk of deep fakes. let’s hope this comment doesn’t get deleted…again. it would be interesting to see you bring light to it.
Thank you. I’m sorry RUclips keeps deleting comments sadly they can be straight about this stuff. It’s an interesting topic and I might look into it but it also seems like a topic I might not know a lot about or how it works and on top of that RUclips seems to not be a fan of this for some reason
Maybe because they are underrated and from a small company but the Who's Next for 2020 reminds me of when B.I.G's Benji left the group. But it happened about a week before, not sure if that counts🤷♀️
Honestly i believe the girls are still in touch, (since i watch multiple videos like that lol)but it started going downhill because SM probably don't support Jessica's successful business clothing line since they were scared she might not be active in the group anymore (which is pretty understandable)and sica probably tried to cover up since their contract during that time was almost expiring (which is also understandable) and after that sm and her had beef and thus blacklisting her from working in SM or talking with the girls publicly again Just my theory
Someone pointed out I misspoke! In the plastic surgery part, I meant to say that Korean plastic surgeons make up 5.1% of the worlds plastic surgeons !
oily is nonbinary, you used the wrong pronouns
@@hotchocolate5908 who cares lol
@@liuyangyang2587 even if you hate them, you should still try to be respectful. don't stoop down.
@@hotchocolate5908 idc about pronouns. Cry ab it. In school I learned that if I see a girl, its she. If I see a man, its he. Thats what im sticking by. I don't wanna waste my life worrying ab pronouns when I don't even give a single shit about peoples names or lives on the internet
@@liuyangyang2587 I know it's minor, I was making a small correction. Respectfulness.
I love how you went right from telling the rumours of Jeongyeon and Jimin to fanfiction lol
Many idols say the companies lie their heights, birthdays like jesus christ why😭😭😭😭
AND their weights as well, which I think is even much more dangerous and potentially harmful both to the artist and impressionable fans who might already be struggling with EDs or body issues.
@@ingusch3783 oof yea , I've been trying to reach hyunas weight because of our similar heights and now everything in my head is just uncertain 😭
@@xerogravityy Hyuna's said herself that she actually has a condition that makes it super hard for her to gain weight. She's trying to gain weight, actually, bc she says she's underweight. She recently celebrated gaining a bit in an instagram post. Also, body height alone isn't a good enough indicator for how much you should weigh. I'm the same height as Yuna from Itzy but we have very different body types, so it'd be really unhealthy for me to weigh as little as she does, though she looks healthy as well.
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THANK YOU!!! Someone who understands/acknowledges that sampling and plagiarism are not the same thing. Too many people have no clue as to how song production is behind the scenes and the interactions that happen leading to the full publication of a song. A lot of songs that sound similar are because of either using the same stems or using a stem from a song that was previously agreed upon being able to use.
The worst is when people cant even do the basic research behind songs producers/ and or writers before claiming plagiarism, so many times the 2 songs in question happened to be written bu the same ppl. You cant plagiarize urself lol
"Jeongyeon's TWICE and Jimin's BTS" made me laugh so hard, because the way you said it means that TWICE is owned by Jeonyeong and BTS is owned by Jimin. Should've been "TWICE's Jeongyeon and BTS' Jimin" hehe.
i know lmao i have no clue why i switched the two like that
40 minutes long and only a part 1?!?! I feel spoiled, so this is my way to say thanks :)
Intro - 0:00
What is an "iceberg"? - 1:06
Disclaimer - 1:20
Tier one:
Koreaboos - 2:33
The Big 3 - 3:13
Lipsyncing - 4:04
Jeongyeon & Jimin - 7:45
Fanfiction - 9:19
Cultural Appropriation - 9:45
Plastic Surgery - 10:45
Plagiarism - 11:21
Tier two:
Irene & Stylist Scandal - 13:27
Chinese Idol Mistreatment - 17:37
The Dallas Police Fancam Spam - 19:08
The ATEEZ "please leave" Instagram live - 19:49
Nature's Leggings - 20:21 (Flash Warning)
Hyuna & Dawn - 20:48
Idols Turned CEO - 22:14
Stan LOONA - 22:53
Chen's Baby and Wife - 23:33
Tier Three
Dreamcatcher Cheated Out of a Music Show Win - 24:15
La Vie En Rose Origin - 25:13
Ghosts in Kpop - 26:04
Miss A's Screaming Man - 28:27
Ori - 29:04
Heechul Fanfics - 29:50
The Kai/Krystal Seal Incident - 30:38
Double Standars - 31:09
Sajaegi - 32:47
Sasaengs & Stalkers - 33:14
Nayeon Stalker - 34:30
Sasaengs as Idols - 35:03
Tier Four:
Fake Birthdays & Fake Ages - 36:36
Somi's PD101 Fight - 37:57
Inkigayo Sandwiches - 38:51 (loved the suga fancam btw)
Changmin in Victoria's Spoon - 39:46
Who's Next? - 40:35
Yuri's Lesbian Love Triangle - 42:36
Jessica of SNSD - 43:41
ACE Antifans Attacks - 44:58
Stellar Sexualization - 45:31
Cyber Bullying - 48:15
Autro - 49:10
haha yeah I think the second part will be even longer 😂
@@jihoonscarat exited for it! 🤩
Thank you so much
Thanks
The big 3 will never change because they paved the way for everyone today and those in the future BUT I think there should be a Hot 3 to represent the biggest companies at the moment.
That’s a good way to look at it ! I completely agree
Exactly, and aside your well-explained reason, another one would be that finance is not the main criteria to be part of the big 3 to begin with, as a lot seemingly assume, or else indeed Big Hit would have the throne, the crown and the scepter hands down.
In reality, the big 3 detained a plethora of political connections in their sleeves throughout Asia and beyond, and not necessary the cleanest one. The sponsors concept in K-pop is not a little cherry on top of a cake, therefore those links and deals made behind the curtains are not about to stop anytime soon to assure them the stability to remain in power in the K-pop industry, having BTS and their incomes in their ranks or not.
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that's something i always tell new fans. "don't trust mr removed videos/audio because it's never accurate." honestly i have been a kpop fan since 2008 and i remember every few years or so there's a trend where people make fun of "live vocals" and they're mr removed videos. i can't ever take them seriously because mr removed videos really really REALLY (i am definitely stressing this word out) aren't reliable. not to mention people bring up these clips to "prove" an artist "sucks" on an idol they hate lol. and it frustrates me when people think of it as an actual legitimate source to find artists' "true voices".
This.
Also, as someone who knows a thing or two about real time pitch correction (my friends are in the industry), we cannot trust someone's vocals as soon as it is not live sung in front of you and a microphone is involved.
Real time "autotune" exists to even out vocals.
KPop fans demand perfection and act all gasping monkey gif when someone tells them about how exactly that perfection is achieved.
And idols NEED that pitch corrector.
In the words of Idina Menzel "If you hit 50% of your notes, it's a good show!".
Dancing those crazy choreographies and singing perfectly on pitch is IMPOSSIBLE.
The first jump will upset your even notes.
Also, yes, backing tracks also exist.
Also, yay. Another KPop Grandparent 👌🏻😂
@@EmpressCosplay that's literally why i can't take mr removed audio seriously, i am a thousand percent aware that back tracking exists and that's the main thing you hear when you mr remove stuff. of course it's going to sound different, of course it's going to sound a bit weird possibly, because it's meant to aide the main vocals and provide support in the back. the problem is a lot of newbie kpoppers or people who don't fully understand how audio works don't understand that. that's why we need more videos of people explaining how it works and whatnot. i would make one but i am not like, an expert, lol. also yay hello fellow kpop grandparent :')) ❤️
I think we should just always always ALWAYS get companies to be held accountable especially the big ones because smaller companies tend to copy what the big ones does. The big companies made what KPOP is today and it just makes sense that it will continue that way.
The true iceberg is the things we can't see oncam.
IVE BEEN REFRESHING THE WHOLE DAY FOR THIS
IM SORRY FOR KEEPING YOU WATING ❤️💕
TW: Oli London 💀
Other stylists accused the op the stylist to be rude not irene , and she share positive story of irene .
The Big 3 privilege is a thing and I’m sick of it because there are so many groups under small companies that are as good as the groups from big 3.
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i think many people are afraid to get invested in a group from small company becouse they are afraid the group wont make it and disband and then they will be very desapointed. If a new group is from the big 3 there is a good chance the group wont disband so it brings more fans into the fandom
@@SeaDemon25 that’s a really valid point you’re bringing up but instead of being afraid that they’re disbanding why do people don’t give them a chance? I mean I only stan groups from small companies and yeah some already disbanded but their music is amazing and I really enjoy them. And many groups from small companies have a lot of comebacks and they really try hard but people just don’t give them a chance.
@@HahaHaha-hs7ln i gess people like to be on the hype train, being around so many people that like the same idols
@@SeaDemon25 faaaacts!!
- Hyuna & Dawn: I heard she openly spoke about their relationship at the time because people were accusing her of having improper behavior towards Dawn, they were calling her an abus**r and it was a way for her deny the allegations before it got out of hand, if she didn't talk about it then maybe the situation would escalate, it was unfortunate to be happening at the same time Pentagon was getting momentum, plus the horrible way Cube dealt the situation, but she didn't it selfishly as many say.
- Sasaengs: They are pretty scary, and yes, thank you for reminding people that >some< fansites are also sasaengs, like the way they take great lengths to take idols photos in places they shouldn't be, eg: whenever they get on a plane and there's countless pictures at the airport but there's pictures in the waiting area after the security, to take those the fansites/sasaengs had to book a flight to be there and often it's the same one as the idols, so if you end up seing one of these from a fansite, they are sasaengs. Another tip to know if a fansite is actually a sasaeng is if they often hide the square at the bottom of the preview photos, since it can show how distant the camera was from the person being photographed, if they do it, they probably wasn't in a safe distance so they are hiding this info to not be outted as sasaengs. It's not actually that hard to imagine that there's possible more idols out there that are/were sasaengs, since if even here on the other side of the planet there's people that want to become idols just to be closer to people they are fans of and they would be sasaengs if they could, being on the same country and having an easy access to become trainee and eventually debuting in a group make me believe it's not a common case but it isn't that rare either.
- Fake Ages: Lol, on the newest video on Wonho's personal channel it showed his birthday as 1992.3.1, so it kind of confirmed he also was a "victim" of Starship obsession of making the leaders the oldest member even if they actually aren't, besides the times he was referred by the other members as the oldest of Monsta X or the few instances where Shownu used hyung while talking to him.
Jennie gets backlashed just for breathing 🙂
she deserves better
If i was doing a really intense dance routine i'd want some backing vocals too, I can't imagine how tiring it must be to sing and dance at the same time.
7:38 Soobeanie is now working with DKDKTV and had a very detailed session on music shows performances during a DK Tea live stream, I personally did the time stamps on that so it's easy to follow, really really cool and interesting stuff
"Ghost in Kpop"
Wait hol' on are we going to have some White: Melody of a Curse vibe here?
Ori makes me so sad she didn’t deserve that hate
the truth behind somi's "fight" is so on brand for her 😂 omg i love her so much
tbh i just find the jimin & jeongyeon situation funny, which is why i put them both in my user. to make it more positive since i know a lot of people try to dive into it. i feel like when people dive into it, it can also kinda be like they’re invading their privacy if that makes sense. we don’t know what happened between them and we shouldn’t make too much of a big deal about it, it’s none of our business anyway.
Yesssss... I've been waiting for this one
Hope you like it !
Stellar case is so sad and heartbreaking. Their song is so good but the mv is on the other side..
Exactly! I feel bad listening to the songs sometimes because I know the amount of pain the girls were in
I... got something to say regarding Stellar: the company is terrible, but the executives are not the only ones to blame. Hear me out.
Marionette was a scandal, it actually got Stellar attention, and the group actually released two songs, Mask and Fool, before Vibrato. I think I remember Stellar members talking about how both Mask and Fool were largely ignored by the public because they were sexy but not out there to the same extent as Marionette. And the public, the audience - K-Pop fans - didn't want these songs or concepts. All the new "fans" Stellar had gained with Marionette were essentially demanding hypersexual concepts, and after two "flops", Vibrato and later Sting were released.
The key point here is that fans, and in particular those who were there for "soft p**n", made exploiting the girls profitable (tragically). Therefore, fans also need to acknowledge their responsibility as they were the driving force behind the company's decision. If less provocative concepts had been a success, the fan community might have been able to stop this from happening.
I'm not here to defend the company (I think it's Entertainment Pascal or something) - the executives made despicable decisions for personal gain. But it's not surprising that a company is supposed to generate profits, and that executives respond to consumers' demands. Again, their methods were terrible, despicable, disgusting, but the consumers (aka fans) had the power to not consume hypersexualized content and stop all of exploitation before it even started.
In order to not let this happen again, can we all please be smarter consumers? As a community, we can let companies know what we want to see, and if we notice, one way or the other, that idols are uncomfortable, we can let our money speak while also spreading awareness.
Good points. Mask is sexy enough (I don’t think over the top, but the ladies looked great) and probably my favorite Stellar song. It should have done very well.
I like how you mentioned being smarter consumers. I think that’s a huge problem that is not talked about. Those who make it and consume the content are at fault. Honestly you said it better than I ever could!💖👏
Hahaha, I remember the Dallas Police thing. I live in the suburbs of Dallas so it was on the local news. That shit was so funny. Even non kpop fans on Twitter were saying “aight that’s pretty clever”.
I'm almost 2 minutes in, but just wanted to say an iceberg is used as a metaphor for the unknown and unseen, and that's usually dark, the reason for that metaphor is that actual icebergs in the world only have 20% of their mass above water, the 80% left is not seen by anyone who's not willing to dive deeper. Anyway, back to the video!
Hi. I explain somewhere in the video that my version focuses on the concept of the deeper you get the worse it gets. So not the typical iceberg but I wanted to do it like this 🤗
Idk but I feel like a lot of fans don't really think about these idols and their feelings and judge them too harshly without attempting to understand or wrongfully placing them on a pedestal. I mean.. if somebody told you they'd make you famous if you got a nose job and pretended to be a year younger and couple inches taller I feel like a lot of people would overwhelmingly just roll with it. They're just people.
I've been a kpop fan for almost 12 years now i knew all of this but still watch it haha, anyways as someone who knew you really explained it well thankyou
I’m mixed on Fanfiction. I do think it can get creepy and “mature”, but I also know that most the time it’s not the actual person, rather a Fortite skin of the idol (like Keanu Reeves as John Wick in that game). They use the person as a fill in of their character (and as a visual to help create characters). I’m an inspiring author and I use real/fiction characters all the time for to base my characters off of. Just as long as people realize it’s not the real person and what is stated is fiction, I don’t think it’s that bad.
It’s creepy with “mature” scenes though and we have to call out the Fifty Shades Of Grey Series and After Series, since both are former fanfiction turned into a movie and published novels. But I don’t think people are saying the funfictions are the actual representation of the real people the based them off of.
I love Kpop Icebergs. 'Can't wait for part 2
You have a really beautiful voice and I like your accent. I could listen to you all day.
Awh thank you 🥺 im glad to hear that, I’m always so scared people won’t understand me or find me annoying 😭❤️❤️
@@jihoonscarat dont worry abt it !! english isn’t my first language and i sometimes have trouble understanding when native speakers talk but i understood you perfectly ^^
PART TWO IS OUT: ruclips.net/video/gsmEBe6i-gY/видео.html
oh my goood iceberg videos also became my obsession lately! i'm so happy that you made such video!!! now i have a great vid to eat my dinner to
Same here ! I have watched sooo many videos like these it’s insane 😂 hope you enjoy the video and your dinner ❤️
@@jihoonscarat thank you so much you are so sweet!!! i'm in the middle of video and it's sooo interesting. thank you so much for your hard work and the amount of research you did for this!!!!
You’re so welcome ❤️ thank you 😭😭 I’m glad you like it I worked so hard on this I felt like I was going insane by the end of script writing 😂
@@jihoonscarat you are such an underrated creator. i really hope that all your work will be paid off soon !!!!!
thank you so much 😭 as long as people enjoy my stuff and get entertainment out of it I’m happy
i hope u make more videos, ive been binge watching all of ur videos and ur making my day ! tyyyy
Thank you so much! I have plans for more video so hopefully sooner than later
Honestly the topics you have chosen I am super happy with, I actually had not heard of lots of these so learnt alot.
I think the term Koreaboo is demonised but personally I think you can be a Koreaboo without wanting to be Korean. Like being into Kpop so much you Internet handle is a kpop term, Asian pfp, having special kpop social media like a RUclips channel or TikTok, posting covers etc. I think that's pretty Koreaboo.
I love that Heechul wrote fanfiction and likes it. I think people shouldn't take fanfiction or shipping so serious.
Jimin and Jungyeon, I can actually see it being a thing tbf
Miss A screaming man there is one of them in April Mayday.
I won't speak on Jessica.
Victorias spoon 😂 Just iconic.
The 3 way lesbian triangle, I am all here for it. Yuri would be a fine addition to lesbianism, I hope if she is, she has a happy life.
Stellar sexualisation is something that I am torn with. The girls have been open about all of this but the girls are not completely innocent in this. Yes, they are traumatised but they were also themselves desperate for the success, hence why they put up with it. I think it's very easy to be ashamed of something after you've done something but allow it at the time out of desperation for success. There is an element of desperation why idols allow and permit such treatment. Aswell as contracts of course. But we have to have to know that idols CAN leave or file suits. It happens alot. Yes it costs them, but it costs the company too.
Really enjoyed the video as always!
I look forward to part 2
YG doesn't post the "who's next" posts for comebacks, but for debuts
Exaclty kkkkkk 😂😂😂
that can't be true tho...
-Teaser posted on November 16th 2016 was for a SECHSKIES album re release so not a debut.
-Another teaser in 2016 was for Blackpinks Square Two
maybe I'm misunderstanding the posts but at least on those two occasion they use Who's Next
Actually, YG did post a who's next post for Akmu comeback
One time Stray Kids was accused of plagiarising 3Racha. 3Racha consists of three members, all three of whom are in fact Stray Kids members. Bang Chan is CB97, Seo Changbin is SPREAB and Han Jisung is J.One
LMAO PPL BE REACHING
LMAOOO SDTOPP THAT INCIDENT HAD ME IN TEARSSS
When you plagiarize yourself😂
i don't even know why "vivi's fake age" was on that iceberg, let alone in a tier that low 😭 when vivi lived in hong kong (her birthplace), she used to lie about her age to get modelling gigs. that's it, there's no huge conspiracy behind it 😭 this is pretty common in the modelling industry, my girl was just trying to get paid 🙏 some anti on a korean community website made a post about it, they must've found a profile or something. and then certain "k-pop news" blogs started reporting it as fact 🤕logically as a foreign idol promoting permanently in korea, she'd have no way to lie about her age
from what i can tell the person that made the original iceberg set it up that way is it was a theory that not everyone knows about. not like i do where the lower you go the darker the stuff is. but yea people are looking a bit too much into her age
@@jihoonscarat yeah yours made a lot more sense! that's the way an iceberg should be
my girl just wanted the bag 🙏🙏
I’m so afraid about how Ning Ning in Aespa is being treated by SM 🙁
Why？
Ningning is a Chinese member that's why
This is such a great video! Totally deserves my like.
The Dallas Spam thing was iconic
jeongyeon vs jimin will forever be at top of kpop's unsolved mysteries lmao
I just wanna say, thank you so much for this video. I have loved kpop for over 10 years and there are several things that I did not know. You must have researched intensely for a long time and I (and everyone else) can tell. I learned so much from this video, and I can't wait for part 2. I love your videos and thank you so much for deciding to become a RUclipsr.
Thank you so much for enjoying my channel 🥺
30:17 Leeteuk isn't pronounced "Lee-tuck" it's pronounced "Ee-Took"
ok but the ateez live was so funny kdsjksjd i was there and i was laughing my ass off 😭😭
I've just randomly found your channel and😍 now i can't stop watching
Wow this is so interesting can't wait for next part
U talked about irenes situation and the editor/stylist posts but never mentioned how half the industry stood with irene and even stranger that met her stood up for her and people till this day bring irenes name on Twitter just bcs they don't know things like this so pls don't mislead it~
I don’t think I was misleading. This wasn’t supposed to be a breakdown of the whole situation and the after math. It was only a brief explanation of the situation, what happened and what Irene did as a result.
그렇다고 그녀가하지 않았다는 의미는 아닙니다. 그녀는 그것을 인정하고 계속 사과했다. 해외 팬은 최악 ㅠㅠㅠ
0:48 the way my eyes immediately found TS Entertainment 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀🤣
We need an updated iceberg
And i just wanna make sure before there's any misunderstanding, when it comes to chinese members mistreatment i think jun and minghao's case isn't too severe like other idols, pledis still give them lots of freedom in creating their own project like solo songs, the8 with his contemporary videos, jun with his covers, and etc. also xcss is the one who manage their activities in china (not pledis directly).. im not trying to defend pledis or saying that it's a good company but as my observation jun and minghao are not being mistreated bcs that is a strong word, maybe more of a mismanagement in some cases
Well it’s gotten a lot better the past year or two but they used to be treated so badly. I talk about this in my Pledis video but they wouldn’t get promoted properly, on one occasion Pledis left jun alone at an airport for 24 hours because THEY screwed up his working permit. Here is a great thread about the shit they have done to jun :twitter.com/junhuiloops/status/1308113784108613632?s=21
@@jihoonscarat Thankyou for explaining me about this! That's so bad :(( yes maybe i was looking at the recent things only i didn't notice pledis' behaviors towards china line in the past.. im glad that they are treated better now i hope pledis won't make the same mistakes again in the future (i kinda doubt this) once again thankyouu
The yuri lesbian love triangle is still insane to me😭
Good for her good for her
I hope the STELLAR girls are okay these days. What happened to them was terrible...
i have been waiting for this omg I'm excited
After watching this video, I need someone to make a video game with a water level and the instrumental is just Bad Boy lol I never would have thought that the sound and that concept worked so well together 🌊
thank you! I found it so mystical and since I wanted to have an underwater theme for the transitions I thought it fit well together.
@@jihoonscarat It fit perfectly! 10/10 ❤️
When I heard her bring up Teentop I almost cried... Two members just left the company too 😌
You talked about chinese mistreatment but forgot to talk about the first one, Hangeng from Super Junior, the one that started everything, his story is super important when it comes to this topic
well i was just counting out some example, not counting out all idols treated badly by SM. But thank you for mentioning him
Didn’t Kris have the same lawyer as Hangeng when he filed his lawsuit? I heard that one time, and I want to make sure I have my facts right.
I personally don't care if an idol sings live or lip syncs because i know that there are stans out there who literally freak out when they don't hear live vocals or when their faves get called out for not singing live....it's wild
this is an amazing video for someone just starting being into kpop (me)! thanks!
Wonho's age should go on a kpop iceberg 😂
Wait what’s his age? I thought he was ~27? (or somewhere around that number)
@@truefalse934 Starship had marketed him as being born in 1993 but it recently came out that he's really born in 1992
starship sure loves lying about ages
and WJSN's too HAHAHA
@@_greenbean09 WJSN's are for the concept
Every member represents a zodiac sign, because they debuted as 12 members it kinda made sense, but they didn't covered all the signs, so Soobin, Dawon and Luda had to get a new date
Then they added Yeonjung and now it is so useless lmao
thank you so much for putting so much effort into this video! it was really interesting
about the plagiarism part - there's a very well known singer amongst young people in my country (israel) that actually copied the melody of one of shaun's songs... but the song the israeli singer sang was about his breakup with his (also super famous) gf, which is really funny. because kpop isn't really popular in my country, not that many people have noticed.
as a meetalhead who enjoys a couple kpop songs too this was a good deep dive, and i was thinking the metal community had issues
It’s so sad how many of these communities have issues. I just wish the industry was safer and not abusive. It’s just not okay.
7:53 You don't know how hard I laughed-
It is 2021 people should stop hating artists that do lipsync and the rightful use of samples(with credits)
Most concerts when they arrive at those HARDCORE choreos or Medleys of old ass songs every single group will use lipsync or prerecorded base to support them
Oh so this is a deep dive into tea!!?? Haha awesome job!
IM SO HAPPY THANK U FOR THIS
But why Irene treated the staff like this? I mean, i think that there is a reason (?)
idk about yall but the screaming man in Miss A song sounds more like a screching car stopping thats been shortened.
Ppl really thought it was Seulgi? She was known to be nice in high school. 😭
off topic i love your videos so much 💗
Awh thank you so much 💕❤️
In the stellar part, when u said stellar was a girl group the captions said stellar was a *gold* group✨✨✨
Wait... He had to APOLOGIZE for getting MARRIED?!?!? Can someone explain to me why that is?
yes he did. He had to say sorry for...being in love I guess? I honestly don't get why but probably because some fans were outraged?
@@jihoonscarat I think it's because of the whole "idol" concept where these fans think they have a chance with them but once these idols get married, the illusion is broken. I've noticed that it's very intense when it comes to EXO in general.
Good video sis. But the music you use from "Bad boy" at 2:24 and other times is kinda loud next time lower the volume a little bit on your editor so it's less jarring. 👍
First 🥰💜
YESssss, i was waiting for a new vid uwu
Iceberg is usually the deeper you get the less known it is
it’s a mix of that and more dark stuff, like I said at the beginning 🤗
STAN LOONA❤
It’s hard for me to believe that only started in 2015. It seems like I had been seeing that for 10 years. Way before I knew anything about kpop.
Since this is not in the iceberg you made but I hope you talk about this one too: idols not allowed to have a phone.
This happens mostly for smaller groups and they are only allowed to have one when they already get successful. It is not that deep 1. This means they won't be able to contact their parents whenever they need to.
2. I know that CA is wrong and people should educate them but I don't think they need to be cancelled because if they don't have a phone they won't be able to educate themselves properly so companies should be the one teaching it to their artists.
Can I be honest? I think that Korea needs to start showing love to natural faces alot more. A lot of these ppl feel insecure about their faces so they go and get surgery. But Korea is very judgmental when it comes to looks they put down people who don’t look like that certain beauty standard. And it’s sad really.
45 minutesssss yessssss 🤩🤩🤩
Love the Pink Fantasy fancam
Great work, very interesting.
love this video it is amazing!!
Why’d you put that oily london clip in there 😳 you didn’t have to scare me like that 🤣
it’s kinda annoying how the Irene scandal has been swept under the rug, what if the roles where switched? that stylist probably would have been blacklisted or something
Fr I keep wondering why literally no one is talking about it. That don't seem right at all like she apologized but WHY did even act that way???
Gotta be honest the stan LOONA meme made me stan them so it works
*6:35** Red Velvet VOCALLLSS 4Days*
💙💜💚💖💛
Love them soooo muchhhi
hongki celebrates his birthday three times a year lol the first one is set on the date he was born in the lunar year (6th february), since the date for lunar calendar always changes his birthday he also celebrates this date when it's the actual date on the lunar calendar (e.g: his lunar birthday was on 28th of february in 2020) and he also celebrates his fixed birthday based on solar calendar on march 2nd
it's a total mess i get you if you don't understand
About Exo Chen, i think real fans should be happy for him and not be angry ..
ok i think my comment about the deep fakes has been deleted? hope Jihoons Carat saw it and plans on making a video regarding it next to bring light to this crime
Hey sorry I didn’t see your comment 😲 some don’t get approved and sometimes they don’t appear in my held for review bin. What was this about?
@@jihoonscarat youtube keeps deleting my comment and replies to you which got about 130 likes… all i’m gonna say so it doesn’t get deleted for the fourth time. deep fakes of female idols. i typed down all the info about it but it looks like even when i censor the vulgar words it still gets deleted. it’s been going on for years and it’s done to underaged female idols. esp how many are worrying aespas concept will put them at risk of deep fakes. let’s hope this comment doesn’t get deleted…again. it would be interesting to see you bring light to it.
Thank you. I’m sorry RUclips keeps deleting comments sadly they can be straight about this stuff. It’s an interesting topic and I might look into it but it also seems like a topic I might not know a lot about or how it works and on top of that RUclips seems to not be a fan of this for some reason
When it sounds like 2 ppl singing there's someone in the back singing that is called "doubling"
ooooo, let's gooo !!!
Maybe because they are underrated and from a small company but the Who's Next for 2020 reminds me of when B.I.G's Benji left the group. But it happened about a week before, not sure if that counts🤷♀️
also kris has death penalty now
Honestly i could do an hour long conspiracy video about Jessicas departure
Idols who turned CEO and not even mentioning Jessica 😟
Honestly i believe the girls are still in touch, (since i watch multiple videos like that lol)but it started going downhill because SM probably don't support Jessica's successful business clothing line since they were scared she might not be active in the group anymore (which is pretty understandable)and sica probably tried to cover up since their contract during that time was almost expiring (which is also understandable) and after that sm and her had beef and thus blacklisting her from working in SM or talking with the girls publicly again
Just my theory
stan loona
20:42 sun glasses too, cool and fun if you ask me
NO ONE TOLD ME KRIS LUHAN AND TAO ARE STILL UNDER SM OMG???
I thought Tao lost and must pay for idk how much (I kinda forget). But Kris and Luhan are still under SM yet are no longer part of EXO