Christabel Idahosa it's true lmao, especially if the idol is on the shorter side. Also, for example Baekhyun said he liked chubby girls, but he dated Taeyeon, who was 44-47kgs at the time.
@@wonygiri apologize for laughing i know its a serious issue though i use that emoji coz i have the opposite problem i cant gain weight easily so im thinking its bizarre they are starving a lot when me im eating a lot and nothing happened so i just laugh it out.
My heart broke when the cameras ignore Kyla. You have the right not to take an idol you do not like but at least be polite about it. I cant imagine how much she went through during the promotions.
I agree. I had a hard time finding fan cams of Kyla, which sadly showed how little she was respected and what a small fanbase she had due to her weight and looks
I will never forgive the kpop world for this (both the public and online fans) they went after her weight and I am sitting here like ??? Isn't she like 16? She is a kid, plus going through puberty! I know from my experience that during that time ny weight went up and down alot like thats your body growing, its normal! Besides she wasn't overweight or anything, if she had a bad immune system do you really think she could perform the high kick in wee woo? Looking at her dance, I see no fat on her and I WISH I looked like her at her age, she is a perfect weight. Just because she was built bigger does NOT mean she had no talent and didn't deserve attention. But alas, kpop standards are so deep that its impossible to see an idol who has that sort of body type as well. I blame pledis for not protecting her and instead sort of just allowed the hate she got which we got what we got with pristin =/
they don't care about politeness, you're just not a human worthy of respect if you don't fit into a certain category or standard. in their minds, they're actually doing you a favor
Yes n then they make female idols wear push up bras n hip pads so they “have some curves” like bitch what do u expect😭 sry if it’s coming off harsh but I rlly hate this part of kpop n it’s kinda y I barely stan other groups after getting into the bts fandom. Especially w girl groups bc I feel like they talk abt diets a lot, whether they want to or it’s brought up a lot in interviews n stuff like that
@@jyothsnaaaaa2719 i am in bts fandom too And i like stray kids and got7 for what they stand for and some other girl groups seem great like gidle & twice I just feel bad even seeing this stuff
I don't understand why the big popular rich companies just don't get them trainers and dietitians. I understand if it's a smaller lesser known company but they should do better for them if they want them to loose weight. It shouldn't be for them to lose weight in the first place it should be for them to be healthy because if they're not healthy they're going to get injured they get injured they loose money and time. Also they get sick easier because their immune system is off.
right? i know the big ones have the money to hire them, so...? 😐 but i think it's about impatience, koreans who do these diets or companies who force their idols into them want their bodies to look like that FAST instead of putting the effort into it with long term exercising and food managing. it's about looking good enough for that comeback around the corner, that party, etc. so they go through extreme diets to get quick results, and probably go back to eating normally after they got to show off the results. then they go right back to the crazy diet if something else comes up. instead of just... getting a personal trainer/nutritionist/going to the gym for long period and having more permanent results and not having to stress about things at the last minute. and of course some just don't have the money so they follow any crazy advice if they're desperate enough
My guess is because legitimate dieticians and health professionals wouldn't agree with the weights, fat percentages, and muscle tones expected of trainee's and idols.
I watched more than one foreign talking about how dietitians in korea just told them to starve or do some weird diet. This model here on RUclips made a video about how they would call her fat on the gym she was working out and the dietitian of the gym gave her an 800kcal diet.
there's no such a thing as "baby fat" on teens, it's what infants have to keep them warm. so yes, it's fat but it's nothing wrong with it if your bmi and health is right
One more thing I'd like to add is the age of idols. They are normally in their early teens when they begin training and are asked to diet. They debut around 15-22 and are at a low weight. The crucial thing is that their bodies are still developing until around 29 years old. If the body is lacking important ingredients that these people don't eat because of a diet, there can be long lasting problems with their health for the rest of their lives. It's not just "unhealthy", it is so dangerous and can damage the rest of your life. Great video as always, your way of providing evidence to prove your points make your videos so reliable! Good job!
Don't worry !! They take expesive vitamin shots n n eat traditional herbal medicine , once or twice a year , plus koreans eat lots of soup type of food , it's rich in vitamins n minerals , like sea weed stuff .
i’m surprised hwasa’s not here bc of everything that’s happened to her with body shaming but it is a really important issue that needs to be addressed!
Internacional fans LOVE to pretend that koreans hate her and called her fat. She's was already called ugly but very rarely she was called fat, actually internacional fans seen to call her fat way more than koreans fans.
I think hwasa was only mentioned briefly because she was more hated for her face not being the standard and her skin being tan. Maybe it’s because the girl who made this video will make a whole different one about colorism in Kpop
something really sad is when i saw someone make a joke about idols getting periods, commenters were bringing up how they probably don't even have any because of their poor nutrition. I knew that one loses their period if they eat too little, but I hadn't made that connection to idols before and it was a kind of reality check to realize the way the beauty standards effect every single aspect of idols' lives, including things you wouldn't normally think of, like periods.
i thought they just took pills that helped them reduce the bleeding, but now that I think about it it's very likely that at least 50% female idols simply don't have periods anymore.
not really bodybuilders but I suggest you look into dreamcatcher, they don't seem to have restrictive diets at all and they go to the gym to ensure their muscles are strong enough for difficult choreo which I think is cool
Most idols start training in the middle of puberty, the time when their bodies are developing, and these diets are slowing the development down for aesthetics... 😤😤🕳🏃♀️
I started struggling with an eating disorder (caused by a trauma, my goal wasn't weight loss) when I was around 11 or 12 years old. It slowed down my puberty a lot and compared to the guys my age I still look like a 12 year old. I went to several clinics and most 20 or 18 year old girls I met there looked like they were maybe 15 or younger. The body tries to survive so puberty is hold back since it consumes a lot of energy. Energy that you don't have because you aren't eating enough. So just as you said, early dieting (actually dieting in general because going on an extreme diet is probably going to cause an eating disorder and might slow down your metabolism) is really harmful and it's disgusting that those companies force it on teenagers.
I also notice how k-idol beauty standards affect superfans like a friend of mine. I'm worried for my friend since she naturally has a "skinny" body yet she still sees herself as "fat" and wants to lose more weight.
I can't wrap my head around the fact that they workout and do practices, recordings, shoots etc while being on such diets. Like is it even physically possible?? I get so weak and dizzy if I accidentally miss my meals and I don't even do much physically.
There are reports of idols being given pills in order to remain up to activity.I don’t remember it exactly but you can probably find some articles about it on the internet.
as a chubby woman, it makes me so sad to see these girls calling themselves fat when they’re not. these beauty standards are inhumane, and they NEED to be stopped. my heart breaks for kyla, she was so mistreated by fans all the time and she did NOT deserve it. at all.
I couldn’t agree more. I’m always wondering when Han Sung Soo is gonna lose his career. He has been manager for too long, I dream of him getting a resignation.
Can you do one about always looking perfect. Like when they take pics or do vlive and if they don't have makeup on or a filter they cover their face and say that they are ugly.
Let’s not forget about Momo who had just one ice cube for a week and even spat her own spit out thinking that she would get fat. She almost DIED. These are actual issues and it’s horrible.
Male idols do get *less* criticism than female idols, but it’s still is hate. I feel like they get more hate about their looks in terms of ‘face’ Im not sure it’s just what I think
Agreed. Nothing wrong with a good diet and healthy lifestyle. I think not everyone understands that these diets these idols do (mostly) are not healthy at ALL
Tw: ED "I've heard so many examples of kpop fans developing eating disorders because they felt unhappy with their bodies compared to idols" I feel called out lol Yea body dysmorphia for ye
I also fell in that trap because I would always watch “Grazy Grace” and I ended up on the kpop sides of RUclips and because of that I wanted broad shoulders, slim waist, and etc and I already have those thing but I didn’t feel skinny enough if that makes sense 😭
Same, my former roommate wanted to have Theighs like rose' she is already pretty thin tho she already has rose's Theighs and problem is she starves herself to achieve that. I remember offering her food and every time she would say no.
I lost my period for months trying to look like them. I ended up fainting and going completely blind for a minute at church lmao. Anyway, I'm back to my regular weight.
Gain weight/too fat for their eyes: *get bashed* Loss weight/became too skinny for their eyes: *get bashed* Where does the idols have to position theirselves 🤦♂️
I love this "Issues In KPOP" series can't wait to see what topic you cover next also, every time I see that clip of the press ignoring Kyla it just makes so upset like I know she doesn't match the "standards" in Korea but damn you aint gotta just completely ignore her.
I don’t understand the obsession with weight in the Asian Entertainment Industry. Chinese celebrities are the same. Unrealistic beauty standards. All the actresses and actors have the same face features. Big eyes, pointing noises, small chins, skinny as hell and sometime big ears. What happened with being unique? What happened with being yourself then trying to look like everyone else? Thank you for doing this. I hope we can bring some changes to this issues.
I think the big ears thing is a recent trend because it makes your face look smaller so a lot of people are actually getting surgery to look like that.
Exactly. When I first got into Kpop back in 2018, I was so surprised to find out alot of the female idols were 40-something in terms of weight. I now understand the main reason why most of them are like that because of their society's pressures and stuff. (But of course not all of them are like that. Especially nowadays)
It’s just insane how little health education they have. Any person that exercises even half of what idols go have to do, has muscle. If they don’t, it means that their diet is unsustainable, that will strain the shit out of your body and especially if it happens in your formative years. I have been working out for 4 years and had been dancing 7 before that, i have a very small frame tho and I am just 163 cm tall, but I still weigh 48 kg. It’s harder to tell when people with similar frames have pants on but if their bare legs are showing it’s absolutely clear. You can mostly see it in the calf and how developed the front thigh is, you need to look in profile view not the front tho. I know that these is in general but kpop idols are not so special considering that we know that most of them had average bodies in the beginning.
im 14 and weigh like 49 kg ( mostly due to muscle) but imagine if I was in the kpop industry, I'd be crucified, according to a Korean dancer who gave a "perfect" weight formula I "should" weigh roughly 37kg or 75lbs, which is BEYOND underweight for ANYBODY my age..
It’s so sad how their looks and bodies are valued more than their health and talent. They are SINGERS and DANCERS. They need the proper food intake to keep their energy up to be able to handle all these stage performances. I can only praise them for being able to being able to handle this harsh shit.
I hate how kpop fans( love how the international fans act as like they are not part of it but they clearly are) take an average looking body,say it's chubby or something when the reality the person is actually slim. Kpop messed up their views in what skinny is like and now everyone who measures more then 50 kg are chubby to them
As a survivor of an ED, that crap sticks with you. My body isn't as healthy as I'd like it, my body reacts differently to food now, and even when you aren't acting on it the thoughts never go away. You never get rid of an ED, you just learn to realize it's irrational. It's too much for a regular person to take, but an idol being watched by everyone from staff to Dispatch cameras can't take it in stride.
As a korean, I am aware of the toxicity on the topic of weight in the industry and of our own country. One of the reasons many think of themselves as fat is because we do have a slightly more petite figure and smaller bone structure compared to other countries so when we gain weight it makes us look much fatter than we actually are. But thats no excuse for the harsh expectations koreans have to put up with. I, myself, struggle with body weight, as someone who's only 14. In korea, everyone is so slim and pretty. It makes it hard to not compare others with yourself. The influence kpop idols have on teenage girls like myself, is honesty, crazy. Many even acquired eating disorders from following their favorite idols diets. Being skinny is not just normalized in korea, but its more like the bare minimum. They also expect you to meet with the korean beauty standards like double eyelids and slim, high nose bridge. And like being skinny is one thing, but having the idol body? There are many of us that still struggle with our body image even though we are already average to underweight. We wish that our waist was slimmer, thighs were smaller, etc because we want the " golden Idol proportions" I, because of all of this ^^, personally struggle with Anorexia Binge Eating Type where I starve, than binge eat. I just want to say that you are beautiful no matter what. Dont try to live up to others standards. Its going to make you miserable forever really. Stop before its too late. and remeber, that the best body, is one thats healthy. :)
I hope you can recover from your disordered eating patterns and that your body image improves! The standard is so unrealistic and unhealthy, it puts stress on young people :(
the weirdest part is when idols are praised for not meeting the standard but in a really weird way. the most recent example is when purple kiss debuted, their comment sections were flooding with people being weird about swan’s body. they weren’t hating on her, but all they would ever talk about was how she was ‘breaking the standard’ or ‘beautiful in her own way’ bringing attention to her body where it isn’t needed. this is a 17 year old girl, she isn’t just an outlet for your toxic positivity. idols like hwasa go out of the way to break standards but swan is doing nothing but existing, just leave her alone
about Kyla: "she's definitely not average" (trigger warning for ED) this person is talking about a child and this person is no doubt a grown man. also Kyla is maybe a size 6, which honestly could not possibly be more average for a 14 to 19 year old girl in South Korea. the standard for kpop idols is not "average", it's borderline anorexic. medically speaking, anyone who is consistently more than 10 pounds underweight is usually evaluated for disordered eating, and the vast majority of idols would fall into this category, since 120 to 140 pounds for young women/girls that are approx. 5'2" to 5'6" is considered healthy, and a lot of female idols are taller than 5'6", and are around 100 to 108 pounds. that's 12 to 20 pounds underweight, and it shows. even though these girls work out constantly, they have zero muscle mass, and you can see how atrophied their muscles look - this is because their bodies are eating up their muscle tissues for energy since there is no more fat to consume on their bodies after years of daily starvation. this is also why some female kpop idols have admitted to no longer having monthly cycles - another huge red flag for starvation so severe that it could be deadly. the body can't spare the cellular energy to perform these basic tasks because they aren't absolutely essential to continue life for the person in question. when you're starving for a long period of time, the body shuts down all processes that aren't absolutely essential to keep the heart, brain and organs working, including monthly cycles for girls. the body will also eat up every single bit of body fat, even in female areas - this is how some female kpop stars can go from being busty as trainees to an american A-cup after debut. this is so unhealthy, both mentally and physically, in ways that I can't even describe. this "forcing idols to be severely underweight" contractual clause is not just for the look of being starving, it's for control. someone who is consistently starving often can't think critically and is very pliable, simply from mental fog and mental exhaustion. I'm consistently disgusted by this issue - these are not "beauty standards" they're thinly veiled control mechanisms to keep idols under the thumb of labels, and they are poorly disguised methods to create public punching bags for the emotionally repressed Korean public to openly shame and feel okay about doing it. in a repressed society, people need excuses to let out their worst impulses, since they are forced to be so reserved in public at all times. insisting that idols maintain anorexia while still maintaining a higher activity level than anyone else is society is obviously impossible, but that's the point - it creates a rat race where those who fall behind at this impossible task are publicly hated and shamed, for a reason that has been deemed socially acceptable, which serves a greater purpose for the Korean public. it's literally like a dystopia, and it's honestly so terrifying and traumatizing for the idols who get entrapped in this system, all the while thinking they are doing it to achieve their dream of music artistry. it isn't about music, it's about money, control and serving a greater (evil) purpose for repressed Korean society.
You lost me when you said “anorexic, medically speaking” to do with body weight because there’s no such thing as an anorexic looking body. Maybe don’t use medically incorrect, ableist terms?
@@scarlett8782 I have an ED too, there’s no such thing as an anorexic bmi, anorexia is a mental illness not a body weight or type or bmi, what do you mean “at risk of anorexia” again, anorexia has fuck all to do with anything to do with your body, it’s a MENTAL ILLNESS you’re talking about symptoms of having anorexia for a long time. You can call me a troll all you want, you’re literally incorrect
@@scarlett8782 also I totally forgot to mention. Do you think I’m fucking stupid? Being a medical engineer doesn’t mean you know anything at all about mental illnesses. That’s like a university janitor claiming that they’re qualified to be a university professor. You need a fuckin reality check
@@luianderson7360 NO, once again, you're incorrect. there are physical effects of mental illness. how do you diagnose someone with active self harm..? explain it in your reply. bet you won't. how do you evaluate the severity of a mental illness that has physical effects on the body, when you can't trust the admissions being made by the patient? you can't look into someone's mind, you can only make assessments based on the truthfulness of someone's own admissions, and their descriptions of their own behavior. if it were up to a person with ED like mine, they would never get help or be diagnosed. I lied my ass off to get out of treatment, and so do many others in the same frame of mind. thank god I was dealing with actual doctors and mental health professionals and not fake SJWs/selfish kpop stans on the internet who are totally clueless, calling doctors "ableist" for making diagnoses based on decades old, well tested, physical and behavioral criteria, or I'd be dead right now. if my treatment were up to a fake assh*le like you, I would have died from my illness. they took one look at my weight to height ratio, my inability to stand on one foot, my pathetic grip strength, my heartbeat, my pallor, my atrophied muscles, and admitted me for inpatient care. i'll link several articles that might help you stop lying, but I doubt it, since your ignorance is willful. I also find it off putting that you didn't have ED until I brought mine up, almost like you're trying to shout me down to invalidate me and my experience by suddenly having an ED too now. it stinks of a potential liar around here. how come you didn't have ED until I mentioned my recovery from anorexia..? and you never answered my question: how can I be ableist against myself..? I want you to explain that to me, and I want you to define ableism in the context of ED diagnosis. do doctors and nurses (heroes) also HATE and discriminate against people with ED for using physical criteria to help diagnose them..? are doctors and nurses, and other medical professionals like myself, the worst kind of discriminatory scum for using physical markers in combination with behavior markers to diagnose mental illness..? you honestly make me sick. not only are you most probably lying about having serious ED (because you didn't have it until I brought up my own experience with anorexia), but you're also shitting all over the entire medical community and how we diagnose patients who are not in their right mind to answer questions honestly and fully. how dare you, especially during this pandemic when those with my degree are developing vaccines to save your sorry ass, and doctors and nurses, the same people you're calling ableist for having diagnostic criteria for anorexia, are literally dying in an effort to treat people with COVID. you seem more and more like a horrible person every time you reach out your hand to type another ungrateful, accusatory reply. you're full of garbage, and you're just another lying, out of control, disconnected from reality kpop stan, based on your other social media. I can't believe how rotten kpop stans can become. you're really out here shitting on doctors and medical professionals who diagnose ED because someone is WORRIED about a kpop idol. if you actually cared about the idols, which you clearly don't give a sh*t about their health, you would also be concerned about girls that weigh 85 pounds at 5 foot 4. but you couldn't care less if they're suffering or worse, potentially looking at organ failure from severe malnourishment. here's a quote from one of the several articles I will be linking to debunk your selfish bullsh*t because blatant lies like "you can't be diagnosed with an eating disorder by using weight as an indicator of disfunction" is what leads girls to NOT SEEK HELP or delude themselves into believing that they can't die from being underweight, or that they don't have anorexia, when they clearly do. "Anorexia nervosa, commonly referred to as anorexia, is an eating disorder characterized by low body weight, a distortion of the perception of body image, and an obsessive fear of gaining weight. As previously mentioned, the diagnosis of anorexia often requires multiple approaches, one of which is provided by the BMI Calculator. That being said, *a BMI below 17.5 in adults is one of the common physical characteristics used to diagnose anorexia*. There are also different tiers of anorexia based on BMI ranging from mild (
@@scarlett8782 I’m not denying that there are physical effects of anorexia, I literally said that in one of my first comments, but weight is very rarely used to diagnose anorexia, because it’s a mental illness, none of what you said actually counterpoints my original statement
jine from oh my girl developed an eating disorder due to the criticism, she eventually left the group after other members found her throwing up in the bathroom. sad to day the least
Jihyo's figure is so unbelievably perfect that I can't imagine anyone sane criticizing her. Most of these critiques go beyond appearance & seem to be just misogynistic attempts to control women. *who was the man who defended Suli of f(x)?
I also want to talk about skinny shaming since it’s so normalised. Just because being thin is considered the beauty standard in Asia doesn’t mean skinny shaming isn’t real. Sunmi had to binge eat because of those comments she received. Ofc ppl can be worried for them but shaming their bodies ain’t it, saying they look sick and ugly is not “caring about them”. Sometimes, they are naturally thin (Lisa, rose..) and Asians are just more petite and I feel like some westerners fail to understand that. I know fat shaming is a big problem and bigger people go through more (at least in Asia) but it doesn’t mean that skinny shaming should be ignored.
I think it's great you brought this up. I have a female friend who is naturally thin and eats all the time, but her mother accused her of being "anorexic", "bulimic", unhealthy, picked on her for how she ate, etc. for her entire life starting at 4 years old. She obsessed over her weight to the point where she doesn't even like eating with people anymore bc she's traumatised from being accused of having an eating disorder and having her portions policed by her mother. Even today she eats more than enough and is just naturally thin but wishes she would gain more weight. If we're going to condemn fat-shaming, as we should, then lets also condemn thin-shaming. It's possible for someone's lifestyle, metabolism, food choices/allergies, work, etc. to cause them to be thin. You don't need to tell someone they're "too thin".
@@sithlordhibiscus9936 wow her mother went about it the absolute worst way jesus christ. If she was actually dealing with an ed that type of approach on her mother's side wouldn't have helped at all
@@sithlordhibiscus9936 i have a very fast metabolism, last last year i weighed 19 kg, it's not really my fault because whenever i eat too much i get a painful diarrhea and i can survive a day without feeling hungry. My mom accused me for being anorexic too when in fact i just don't care about how i look (until people started shaming me for being skinny, i got very obsessed with my weight, now i'm 41 kg, and that led me to depression) and this quarantine, my mom force fed me, i told her many times about metabolism and how bodies work differently, she got mad at me for "making excuses" and hit me with her hanger for proving her wrong, she's so annoying and very close minded, i only love her because she's my mom but i hate her as a person, even my dad is taking sides with her just because they're older doesn't mean they're smarter. People always tell me to have a convo with my parents about it and my depression so I told them that i'm depressed and i also have anger issues and they just made fun of me, and yOuRe tOo yOuNg tO hAvE tHaT, "that's because of your phone", "you're demonic" (my stupid mom thinks being depressed is demonic ugh). I hate my parents, sadly emotional abuse of parents or physical abuse and skinny shaming is normalized in my country, whenever someone speaks up about it they get shamed and called "weak" because "they just can't handle it and deal with it" they also get called maarte meaning "nitpicky" or "pretentious" or "melodramatic" and get told to just go on your day and eat to gain weight and insult them by saying "buto't balat" meaning "skin and bones".
So true! My oldest is 1/4 Korean but has very distinct features except her height. She is 16 but is 178ish cm's but is barely 53 kg's. That is her natural build though cause she eats everything lol, she is super athletic though she just is really thin. She used to get made fun of so much and people would make such cruel comments. It doesn't happen as much in HS but she still gets it sometimes.
thank you for this video, i have watched a lot of videos regarding this topic and yours is very well done. im a kpop fan and yet i hate this industry. idols sing songs about self love and being confident and yet they push these standards onto themselves and in turn influence their audience. like jype giving itzy their songs and yet making jihyo feel bad for her weight attacking her confidence and making momo do that horrible diet. im very worried at the next generation of idols that would debut, looking at the groups now they're getting younger and younger and i know these standards would affect them so much. i feel like the government has to step up and limit the idols age or work hours, these companies don't take care of their idols well :/ hoping these standards will fade away
12:59 You are right, he did apologize for that. Not only once, not twice, but three times (all through his own twitter account) Thankfully he has shown support for plus sized women too (you can watch ICSYV episode with shindong) so it's safe to say that he has changed his view.
this is really it, when i look at their profiles and they are like 49-40kg even tho they’re 159-170cm so it makes me feel super fat and overweight even tho i’m not even overweight😔
Don’t stress too much about what’s on the idol’s profiles. They’re pm all fake and established idols will readily admit this (usually on variety shows that have a lighter atmosphere or radio shows). Most of the heights and weights are essentially made up stats by the company that they think the public will find appealing to add to the idol’s allure. I know it’s easy to let that stuff get in your head (I’m certainly guilty of doing so, even knowing they’re fake) but just remember it’s all marketing - those stats aren’t real and you don’t need to hold yourself to them. A huge tell is the heights - most of the time they’re wayyy off. So many female idols are listed as 5’6”/5’7” when they’re no more than 5’3”, maybe 5’4” max. It’s super easy to clock when you see them lined up next to male idols (who also lie on their profiles about height just as often). They absolutely aren’t all exactly 50 kg like they all say on the profiles. That’s just pure fantasy. Yes, idols are pm all slim but they do not weigh exactly the same just like they do not all have the same waist measurements. Once an idol debuts, it’s up them to self manage usually (crap companies will overstep like with 9 muses, for example, but that’s not really the norm). They aren’t having weekly or daily weight checks anymore. That alone should tell you the profiles are completely bogus or, at the very least, super out of date.
As someone who actually lives in Korea, it's really insane how much weight is picked on. Being underweight is considered the standard which is dangerous, but unfortunately I don't think it's gonna change. There is one positive, like mentioned, that overweight rates are very low.
i really don’t understand....jihyo was considered “overweight” but lisa and rosè are “too skinny.” it’s especially weird because they’re not that far apart in weight. beauty standards are impossible.
I think it's because of her rounder face shape which may give an illusion of her being larger? She still doesnt look fat at all but it gives ppl an excuse to hate on her
She is heavier on the top. She has big breasts which is unusual when it comes to kpop idols, her body shape is just misunderstood. The top and the face is what you normally see on a camera while the legs aren't seen as much so it gives the illusion that she's bigger.
Because lisa and rose are flat all over, so they look really skinny, but jihyo has more shape to her, especially in the chest and thigh region so she looks bigger than other girls, but really isn’t
The audacity that crusty ass man on Hello Counselor had was absolutely astounding. Like he really thought he had the ability to tell a world famous celebrity she was fat and then still continued to attack other women around him. Ppl are just horribly disgusting sometimes.
omg this, esp when he looks like THAT. i dont wanna shame someone for their looks but omg if u think you can shame an *idol* for her looks on TV, he should get prepared to catch some hands from fans.
the paper cup diet sounds kind of nice though. it’s got a lot of nutrients and doesn’t limit based on calories or meals. 3 meals a day with smaller portions and all necessary food groups…sounds good. I guess depends on the size of the cup tho
Tell them not to !! It's not good ! We are Not kpop idols , they are ! Plus kpop idols have doctors who watch them , they take special vitamin shots in each concert , n take traditional herbal medicine on the side !!!! Allll koreans mostly allll do , including myself !! ( herbal medicine ).... Plain food is not enough !!
Whenever I see some of these idols bounce, or loose too much weight so their face even changes my heart sinks a little. I just wish it wasn't necessary like I would not care if they had a little tummy I actually think that's cute 😔
! tw // ed ! this video's a few months old, but i wanted to mention a few things. (rant warning lol) first, NONE of these are diets! these are glorified eating disorders, and it's heartbreaking to see so many young people being influenced by these unrealistic standards. second, iu mentioned she had an eating disorder around the time of her "diet", and she has struggled with bulimia in the past. honestly, this makes it so much worse that people were so eager to try it, because not only are they hurting themselves, but they're kind of glorifying eating disorders as well (all k-pop "diets" do). also, these diets are (obviously) really dangerous! i've struggled with eating disorders in the past, and i just overcame a particularly difficult bout of anorexia/bulimia a couple months ago. being a k-pop fan, seeing these extremely underweight idols fueled my disorder and made it severely worse. i used to think i was fat and ugly because idols that were my height were so underweight and they were praised for it. i thought i had to be underweight, too. i really hate how companies force their idols to be so incredibly underweight to make them feel "beautiful", and how idols are constantly shamed for their weight, even if they're average. even if companies won't stop starving their artists, i think they should at least stop broadcasting dangerous diets to the public. it influences so many young people (like myself), and eating disorders kill (but obviously they should also stop starving their artists). it's awful how the artists get praised for being underweight; for having a disorder. from experience, i know that eating disorders/starvation gives you this sick thrill, and you feel proud of yourself for having "self control", when it's really nothing to be proud of. i know these idols are exhausted, but they probably also have that awful mindset of "i did it", and they can never truly recover because of the extreme standards that are constantly being pushed on them. i also really hated that clip with momo (?), where she said she was worried she wouldn't wake up when she went to sleep. no one should have to go through that, but i think her members' responses were also really bad, commenting on "self control" and almost making it sound like something to be proud of. tl;dr i agree with everything said in this video lol sorry for writing an essay, but thank you for reading it ^^;
We all saw what body shaming can do to someone. Look at Jesy from Little Mix. Actually, FORMERLY from Little Mix because she was bullied tirelessly for her appearance that she left the group. Is that what people want? For everyone to quit on their dreams because they get too bullied to go five seconds without their weight being brought up? And what message does that send to viewers of these people? They see they people who they deem to be beautiful being harassed/bullied and that makes them feel even worse about themselves. And social media makes it so much worse. I hope that we as a society can move out of this mentality.
As someone who has tried most of these diets short term desperate to lose weight...this video is so useful and does a great job highlighting the issues surrounding this and the impact it can have on not only the idols but the fans as well
I've been into kpop since 2010, basically I was 11 years old, and I can say without a doubt that it changed the way I view beauty. I'm a black latinx person, everything I am is rejected or viewed as ugly in kpop, and all I wanted back then was to be pretty like my favorite idols, I've tried to lighten my skin, I've damaged my hair to make it straight enough so I could have a fringe, and I've followed many of those diets, I deal with e.d till this day because of how young and impressionable, I was a sponge, I just absorbed all of their ideals without criticizing it.
TW: EATING DISORDER I understand wendy, it's been the same for me. I have anorexia and my weight fluctuates a lot because of constant crazy diets. I tried the jimin diet without even knowing and in the third day I felt like I would pass out and decided to eat but with a lot of guilt. I remember my body aching because my bones would touch each other when I slept, I always felt cold and dizzy and my period stopped. people often asked me if I was sick but I felt so proud of myself. now I gained a lot of weight and I feel ashamed of even leaving the house and live with constant guilt everytime I eat a little more and don't workout. and being a kpop stan make this even worse since this girls seem to be so perfect, the way I used to be when I was underweight. I hate to think like this but I think I'll try the IU diet out of desperate.
please don't. i promise you it's not worth it. i used to have an ed too, so i understand that weird sense of pride, but if you want to lose weight you should seriously take it slow, and lose the weight in a healthy way. stay safe, ily
@@eva.0613 thank you so much, it's good to see someone supporting me to do good and be healthy instead of putting me down because of my ed. I am slowly trying to eat nutritious food and get to do the exercises that I love. you're really a kind soul and I promise try to not think of diets like anymore 💜
Hi:) Please seek help! Eating disorders are way more dangerous than society sometimes makes them to be. I suffered from ED for 5 years and I still have long way to go. You’re beautiful just as you are. Sending a lot of strenght!🤍
@@hemotivateme7887 thank you so much my dear! I take them seriously for sure and I'm seeking help! I hope we both continue our journey against this awful disease
yup.. momo's story was scary.. especially when someone else noticed that her lips had no color. realize that the culture (asian) is still of the old days. even if the country changed rapidly the thinking hasnt. its like what us was in the late 70's.
@@killjoy8637 they definitely are. Racism, sexism, colorisim, homophobia, suicide rates, work hours, etc Are all terrible in east Asia. Yes all countries have these problems however they usually refuse to admit to these problems.
@@mynx6522 ah yea because no other 1. world country ever dines that they have those issues. nope not at all. fucking look at america and their racism in particular. asia is not backwards on their thinking you’re just racist and not seeing the issues in your own country if you think that.
@@killjoy8637 I literally said all countries deal with these issues. The problem is with a lot of East Asian culture they are very focused on imagine therefore they sweep issues under the rug where they just get worse and worse. They are very proud and you can literally lose friends over saying things like “the beauty standard in this country is to harsh” or “This country can be very colourist” they don’t like criticism of any sort
@@mynx6522 oh yes because other countries are not like that at all. you literally called asia backwards. fuck you man. just because you’re a weeb doesn’t mean you know shit about asia.
omg thank you for speaking about this!! I hate the way idols eating little to nothing is normalized and praised. Idols dance and workout constantly and losing calories. They can not be working off more calories than they gain. Idols need a healthy and consistent diet not just an apple or a banana a day😐😐. I really don’t know why anyone should care about someone else’s weight like that
I really don’t understand why people care and bully people about how they work and away especially female K-pop idols Oh My Girl JinE has a whole eating disorder cuz those these standers when she was too skinny people had a problem is she getting too much weight it was a problem but u got people like Super Junior Shindong not being rude who is a little bigger no one really said nun about him that much also he even said that Women should be skinny and it ok if men r not that wht he was trying to say but he word it different but If a girl said that it would be a problem the well want her out the group I am not saying men don’t have it hard but women have it different
Lmao I tried one of these diets and decided I would eat an egg as a cheat meal. When I went back to the kitchen my brother already ate it. I legit had a FUCKING RAGE FIT. I threw things at him and shit. I cried and screamed at him. Being hungry is scary ya'll lmao.
Ikr :( My ED made me very sensitive when It comes to food. Especially when I started recovery. I used to make my very small meals look as 'fancy' as possible and if they wouldn't turn out as I wanted them I would start crying
Thank you for making this video. As an American fan, I sometimes just dont understand Korean pop culture and the hate they get. especially about weight, out here its all about being THICC and curvy; standards are different in every country but I truly wish these idols would just be themselves. all body shapes are beautiful. they should stop feeding into a Man's world and their standards of beauty
Story time: i did the extreme momo diet where she ate 1 ice cube a day and continued dancing and singing everyday. Long story short after painfully doing this for a full 5 days ( momo did this for 7 i dont know how bless her) i was 12 and passed out on the 6th day. I woke up 3 days later. Momo said she was scared if she fell asleep she wouldnt wake up and i feel that. 2nd scariest time in my life
I have an ED and I’m realizing how wrong my thinking is when I see what they are eating and I feel like those are great ideas or even too much food or even healthier than what I am eating (I am now going to therapy for my eating disorder).
Just an amend about BMI, asian BMI it's calculated differently a normal BMI. For an east asian a "normal BMI" can mean obesity since they have more visceral fat, so yes it's normal to them be asked to have lower weights, but not exactly super underweight like is expected from idols. Also it's common that companies release an false weight on the idols profile, usually one to five kilos under the original weight or that idols go on diets before being weighing so they be skinnier and then go back to their original and more healthy weight, some idols have a lot of muscle too, even some girls so even if they look thin, they hardly weight something like 45kg, especially the tall ones. One way of see if an idol it's ok on that side is look their muscle definition, since they workout and dance a lot, it's normal for them to have some muscles, especially on their legs. Jihyo and Joy are good examples of idols who are really healthy even when they look skinnier than before.
When I think about crazy idol diets I think about So Jung Lee from Ladies Code who only had a few cherry tomatoes each day and ended up with an ED and had difficulty walking up stairs!
Being underweight can be dangerous, I had to be told I might die at age 18; no one should have to go through that. 2018 I was working out in class and after we finished I collapsed and passed out after P.E in school. I was taken to emergency where they said my lung had ruptured and I wasn't getting enough oxygen and that is was due to being underweight. I was hospitalized for the weekend but had to recover for 3 months at home missing school and not being able to dance which is something I enjoy. It took another 2 months after that before I was allowed to do normal stuff again. When I was allowed to start working out again my doctor recommended that I needed to gain 12 kilos to make sure it doesn't happen again. To other girls out there, please take care of yourselves. You can look as stunning as the idols being a healthy weight and working out.
this was a very informative & well structured video, good job! :) it honestly makes me upset what idols have to go through just for their job. and it's even more sad when it comes to underaged idols who are just teens and who are still developing (physically & mentally). for example, it's quite hypocritical that chaeryeong & ryujin had to diet in order to debut yet they gave itzy the "i love myself/i'm so different" concept ugh. chaeryeong once told on a vlive that her and ryujin used to eat secretly in a bathroom of the company until they got caught one day :(
I’ve been eating in a pattern similar to theirs for years. Not because of K-pop but because I’m too busy or get full too easily so I plan my whole day around the one meal if I’m eating out. And guys. You get used to it FAST and you’ll be fainting at random times. It is so hard to get rid of these habits. Prioritize healthy food items and a pattern that works for you. Strict restriction only makes it worse.
idols get hated on if they weight "too much" but they also get hated if they are "too skinny" could people just like... not? also so many people assume that really skinny idols have eating disorders(??) which is like... ok if someone loses a lot of weight in a short amount of time i would be a little worried but,, you can't say someone has an ed based on their appearance. you can't know unless that idol opens up about it.
I'd be interested in a more in depth video on this topic too, one that further explores the implications and effects of these standards as well as other aspects of the culture that are related to these body standards. Great work with this one!
When you mentioned how fans might feel insecure abt their body bc of idols it reminded me of myself bc I had a really bad eating disorder when I was 12 bc I would compare myself to skinny idols. It didn’t trigger me dw I just find it so sad that there are so many other fans like me
This is a great video, and so important to have on this site. Subscribing, and thank you for making this! I’m 5’9 and according to Korean beauty standards I suppose I should be weighing 92 pounds?!? That’s pretty unhealthy for my height. I got down to 97 pounds at the height of my disorder + addiction to dr*gs, and everyone said I looked amazing, and so small 😔 I had an intense weight gain a couple years ago bc of PTSD and the meds I was put on that all caused me to gain weight rapidly. I got up to 185 pounds, but am back down to around 135-140 now. I still feel horrible about myself, bc of the standard I’ve placed on myself, but heavily influenced by being a kpop fan as a teenager and wanting to look like Yoona from Girl’s Generation 💔 I wish I’d never developed Bulimia and anorexia (at different times I’ve struggled with both) bc now I know what I CAN look like, and bc I’m still not the healthiest in my mind, I want to get back there. I’m trying to get better though, and eat when my tummy growls and I get pains and stuff, but it’s hard. I feel like I’ve “let myself go” when I even eat 2 bowls of soup and some crackers in a day 😢 I wish I could afford counseling, I think that would help.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I’m sad to hear you struggle, and it doesn’t help when, like you said, people compliment you for your body when you’re starving yourself. I hope you get some help and you have support around you. I’m here for you and I believe you can be happy with your body ❤️❤️❤️
For me Jennie from Blackpink has a normal weight. Like she is 1.63 and 50 kg is normal. I'm 1.60 and I weight 50 kg. I eat pretty much everything I want and don't exercise. She probably can eat even more since she also dances and is more active.
Still, you have to see the amount of sports (mostly dance practice and flying yoga) she does. Her body fat percentage might be pretty low at athletes level, so she is actually slimmer than average. It's not good to have to little body fat either... Also for the height and weight thingy: I'm from Germany (so yeah different genetics) but all of my friends usually were at about 54-57kg at a height of 163cm. If you (@Melania Arce) are 50kg at 160cm than you are quiet lucky because your metabolism might be quiet high. I'm the same weight but 4cm taller and I was like the rare insect for being that weight...
@@raba9_7 Jennie has definitely more of a healthy weight She doesn't have much muscle tone (which isn't bad) so she most likely has an average body fat percentage. I have a pretty similar body to hers and usually a person with her height and weight would be considered perfectly healthy. For example I'm like 168 cm and weight around 51-52kg right now and I still don't look as skinny as most Idols and in terms of BMI and health checks I'm considering slightly underweight but healthy.
@@raba9_7 She is not a average person. She is an idol. Despite that her body looks the healthiest. Exercise isn't bad for you Especially she trains her body to be stronger and more elastic. It's not like she is losing weight.
In regards to BMI, it says that Asians BMI healthy range is up 23. This isn't due to a body standard just Asian people need to be a big skinnier to be healthy This is due to genetics not beauty standards. Check the NHS website. That being said, yes they do take weight into extreme.
@@Lilly-ud6qs Wow, I didn't know, so I went to read about it and it's true, but still under 18.5 even in Asia is underweight. Does it include all of Asia or just certain countries?
The Kyla video never fails to make me sad. No wonder she needed time to herself, I don't know how any 15 year old could deal with that on their own. Also, at 8:35 you mentioned Wendy lost the weight and came back for Red Flavor, but their next comeback was Russian Roulette. Wendy still got attention for the weight loss then, and again during Rookie, and finally during Red Flavor. Did you mean to skip the other eras or just address the biggest difference in weight?
Yes I just wanted to mention the era where it was mostly noticeable and it was getting scary. It wasn’t like a run down from era to era if that makes sense ?
Can we PLEASE address the mental health implications that come with all this BODY shaming this is so sad :( idols should deserve all the food they want for working so hard
I know you shouldn't stoop to their level but....that guy who said that to Sulli...like maybe fix your teeth and that face cause yikes. I also hope he's homeless cause he sure as hell looked like he could be. Ok rant done but you can't tell me I'm wrong cause those are facts. And if I had the opportunity to say that to him there's a high chance I would.
No need to bring down someone else’s appearance while talking about problems in bodyshaming, if someone is a bad person call them out for being a bad person. You do not need to disrespect their appearance. Imagine how other feel if they have those same features you’re making fun of
ngl, i used to and still stay away from many girl groups (or limit myself to a few) because I felt so bad about my own body and weight before that I wished I could go on a diet. i barely think that way right now but sometimes, it just happens
My heart really hurt because recently BIGHIT has put the group ENHYPEN on a dangerous diet to the point where in a video one of the members said they were so hungry and had to watch his members eat and he looked like he lacked energy and he looked so tired. I’m so SICK of the beauty standards. One day all of the beauty standards need to Just expand where they allow healthy bodies. and melanin skin!
ok so here’s something that happened with me. I kinda got into bts last year, have only been a fan of taylor so I guess I am what kpop fans call a western stan but yeah anyways, so we’re talking about mid 2020 when dynamite came out. for the first 4 months that I spent slowly getting into their discography (yup im more of the music > artist person), it was pretty good but after that when I was keeping up with what they are doing or how they look, I didn’t realise how I was gradually starting to compare myself to them. I would look at their arms or collarbones and wonder why mine wouldn’t look how their’s did. also, quick reminder - I struggle with an eating disorder so that gradual process of comparison was somehow pushing me to start starving again. thankfully I realised what I was doing was awfully wrong, stepped back from engaging into that action and now just for the sake of myself I try my best to not get into kpop. the fact that this was with a group that I was told is allowed to have some kind of a control on their diet was truly concerning because I can’t imagine this very situation if it was one of these girl groups. I can’t help but hate how these toxic things can lead new casual listeners or gp to steer away from that whole genre or industry. idol or not, these are real people not a mannequin. they should be healthy, moreover they shouldn’t be restricted to take pleasure from food. sincerely hope this questionable view and criticism tones down and people stop hating women as well as men for having a normal healthy body.
I would also like to point out about the negative image that is given when some female idols gain muscle. Though it is not very common it is still there, some female idols are called "too manly","weightlifters", or "very intimidating" due to their muscle gain. It breaks my heart every time a female idol is mocked instead of encouraged to show another part of her that is not just "feminine", "cute", or "sexy". I know there are other things that are mocked or discouraged as well but muscle gain is one of the things that I usually see spoken less about.
I will never understand why people bully others because of their weight. Like? It's none of your business? It's so heartbreaking to all see those cruel comments...
Some people say that female idols get more hate regarding their weights and in a way it's true but I just can't help but see how lately Suga is being criticized for gaining weight after being out of promotions with BTS for his surgery. .. it's very annoying ... And Jimin also keeps getting hate about his weight and it's weird to see some tease that he's too skinny and others say he's fat ... I hate it so much ... beauty standards suck.
Those are just weirdos who like to create fanwars. I didn't even notice Suga had gained weight (also, who cares ? ). Real ARMY only cared about him getting better and pain-free.
I'm on a diet at the moment, but I'm in it for the long haul and I'm doing it for my health primarily (I am a 24 year old woman, 168cm tall and early last year I hit 130kg, I am now 107kg) I wanna thank you for the time you've taken to talk about this really important issue. I've been pressured to starve in the past, and I can't imagine how horrible it would be to have your livelihood and entire reputation depend on a number on the scales that fluctuates even without changes, like Momo could have died?????? She looked fine before anyway??? I hope these companies realize they can have idols that are healthy, set a great example, perform well and with energy, no need to have underweight idols that are hungry, close to fainting, but look skinny enough to not get hate in a mini-skirt. (This is not to criticize the idols themselves, or idols that are naturally skinny and can't gain weight easily)
I hope you do well on your diet! As long as you're doing it in a good way it's totally fine, as I said in the video. I'm glad you enjoyed my video. I totally agree with your points as well
It's very sad to know that Jimin had only one meal in 10 days 😔...and he had this kind of diet during BTS' pre debut era too. According to him he was "chubby" and wanted to have good jawline. It was such a dangerous diet that once he just fainted. Jungkook also wanted to try that diet but Jimin didn't allow him to do so, at that time Jin took Jimin's side and that diet was stopped. Even Jin had only chicken diet for a whole year so reduce his chubbiness. Moreover I have heard that once Jimin started to lose abs in the debut era many people left the fandom. Jimin even got hate and many said that he has eating disorders. It's just so horrible, too horrible. I just hope BTS and other idols know that they're beautiful in any body shape please
These diets are crazy. You can COMBINE most of them and make a healthy meal. Restricting your intake is important. You can shrink your tummy and how much you need to feel satisfied. You must eat healthy nutrient rich foods with protein and fiber to make you feel FULL. But how often you eat and the amount you eat is also based on your metabolic system. For example, I have to have four to six protein heavy small meals throughout the day. Always do a diet under the care of a physician! Losing large amount of weight in a short period of time can also lead to mental health concerns. Please be careful!
can i just mention that shindong has recently supported plus sized women openly? i don't mean to defend him at all, just want to mention that people grow and in a country where the standard is being thin and fatphobia is SO normalized, you can't expect someone to not have those thoughts :/
Am a 13 year old west African girl I always thought I was fat and all because of the beauty standards around the world because i weigh 68 pounds because when I look at my cousin's they are skinny like the ideal type But I started to love my self I don't let people judge me and I also try to make others love themselves You are beautiful don't let people tell you what to do with your body
Tw/ ed When my ed was at its worst i was in high school. My diet was similar to these( not saying these idols hace eds ofc), the goal was obviously to eat as little as possible. I was very strategic about it, there were days when i only had 250-300 calories.( Which felt like a lot to me tbh. My goal was usually around 100-150 but it's hard to find snacks with that low calories). The thing is, it's so hard to keep that up when you have to go to school, study, walk home, basically when you have to function. I was also excersizing heavily, at times overdoing it. With all these activities i was feeling all dizzy and just pretty shit. I cannot even imagine having the schedule of an idol with this type of diet.
I remember when I got into kpop. I was about 10 years old and saw how skinny idols were, so I starved myself a lot… I’ve never really been “skinny” and I was ashamed of being a little chubby when I was younger. I also got bullied which let me to having an ED (I’m still recovering from it) Now that I’m older and grew up to like my body, I look back at myself thinking how ridiculous I was back then.. I really hate the beauty standards because they destroy us. Wanting to fit in or- what ever reason, it’s just stupid…
Frankly the KPOP industry is overly obsessed with appearances, what normally is termed visuals. It tends to be the most important consideration, even more than talent, health, etc. Sure I get that in general being a teen music idol, regardless of what country, appearance would be a factor, but KPOP takes it to an unhealthy level. Because the idols aren't about the music, or being themselves, but about being a product sold to fans as a perfect fantasy. So if the idols don't look perfect, then fans can't fantasize about them. ATM the industry is clearly all about the money, and until fans stop wanting those "perfect" visuals, the industry won't change. I mean when I was a teen, I don't recall any of my friends being concerned about knowing the exact weight or height of any of the teen groups or other bands they were fans of in this almost stalker type manner. Sure they might argue as to which was the best musically, or who was cutest, and sometimes there might be some gossip about group drama, but there never was this feeling that they had to look a certain way for the fans. In fact, not unusual for groups and artists to change their looks (along with music style) as they wanted as they grew older, and the fans would be perfectly happy to adapt.
my poor baby jimin fainting during dance practice just breaks my heart... it's sad cause jimin was already perfect :( ALSO jungkook I think also did the same and didn't eat anything for 10days before the butter mv cause some k armies were body shaming her EVEN THO he already has abs I swear I'm really concerned for the people who comment on peoples weight.
The fact that 46kgs in Korea is considered "chubby" is so weird
Edit: why are y'all so mad 💀 anyways I'm still right cry about it
That’s wrong some idols weigh 46kg
Christabel Idahosa it's true lmao, especially if the idol is on the shorter side. Also, for example Baekhyun said he liked chubby girls, but he dated Taeyeon, who was 44-47kgs at the time.
@@modelstatus3456 well if the only women he has the oppurtunity to meet are idols, he clearly won't find a chubby gf 😅
When ı was under 47 i stopped having my period and I am not even tall I am only 160cm.
kinush13 exactly lol
It's not a diet. It's called starvation
Exactly, then they are dancing all the time so that's a workout in itself 🙄
😆😆😆 true
@@lindziep6319 why are you laughing gurl? This is a serious conversation 🥶
@@wonygiri apologize for laughing i know its a serious issue though i use that emoji coz i have the opposite problem i cant gain weight easily so im thinking its bizarre they are starving a lot when me im eating a lot and nothing happened so i just laugh it out.
My heart broke when the cameras ignore Kyla. You have the right not to take an idol you do not like but at least be polite about it. I cant imagine how much she went through during the promotions.
I agree. I had a hard time finding fan cams of Kyla, which sadly showed how little she was respected and what a small fanbase she had due to her weight and looks
I will never forgive the kpop world for this (both the public and online fans) they went after her weight and I am sitting here like ??? Isn't she like 16? She is a kid, plus going through puberty! I know from my experience that during that time ny weight went up and down alot like thats your body growing, its normal! Besides she wasn't overweight or anything, if she had a bad immune system do you really think she could perform the high kick in wee woo? Looking at her dance, I see no fat on her and I WISH I looked like her at her age, she is a perfect weight. Just because she was built bigger does NOT mean she had no talent and didn't deserve attention. But alas, kpop standards are so deep that its impossible to see an idol who has that sort of body type as well. I blame pledis for not protecting her and instead sort of just allowed the hate she got which we got what we got with pristin =/
they don't care about politeness, you're just not a human worthy of respect if you don't fit into a certain category or standard. in their minds, they're actually doing you a favor
I agree Korean fans are toxic when it comes to kpop.
@@lyannabucket2772 kyla.massie
Thank you for talking about this because the body standard is WAY too much
Ikr they should really get rid of the standards
Yes n then they make female idols wear push up bras n hip pads so they “have some curves” like bitch what do u expect😭 sry if it’s coming off harsh but I rlly hate this part of kpop n it’s kinda y I barely stan other groups after getting into the bts fandom. Especially w girl groups bc I feel like they talk abt diets a lot, whether they want to or it’s brought up a lot in interviews n stuff like that
@@jyothsnaaaaa2719
i am in bts fandom too
And i like stray kids and got7 for what they stand for and some other girl groups seem great like gidle & twice
I just feel bad even seeing this stuff
It’s like this in pop culture around the world. I remember when Jennifer Lawrence said that she’s considered “fat” in Hollywood.
Waaaaay too much 😆😆
I don't understand why the big popular rich companies just don't get them trainers and dietitians. I understand if it's a smaller lesser known company but they should do better for them if they want them to loose weight. It shouldn't be for them to lose weight in the first place it should be for them to be healthy because if they're not healthy they're going to get injured they get injured they loose money and time. Also they get sick easier because their immune system is off.
right? i know the big ones have the money to hire them, so...? 😐 but i think it's about impatience, koreans who do these diets or companies who force their idols into them want their bodies to look like that FAST instead of putting the effort into it with long term exercising and food managing. it's about looking good enough for that comeback around the corner, that party, etc. so they go through extreme diets to get quick results, and probably go back to eating normally after they got to show off the results. then they go right back to the crazy diet if something else comes up. instead of just... getting a personal trainer/nutritionist/going to the gym for long period and having more permanent results and not having to stress about things at the last minute. and of course some just don't have the money so they follow any crazy advice if they're desperate enough
I thought the same! Seriously
I think they already have one. In YG they have hwangssabu and hes quite popular within the yga fans.
My guess is because legitimate dieticians and health professionals wouldn't agree with the weights, fat percentages, and muscle tones expected of trainee's and idols.
I watched more than one foreign talking about how dietitians in korea just told them to starve or do some weird diet. This model here on RUclips made a video about how they would call her fat on the gym she was working out and the dietitian of the gym gave her an 800kcal diet.
I love how baby fat is considered 'fat'.....🤦♀️🤦♀️
there's no such a thing as "baby fat" on teens, it's what infants have to keep them warm. so yes, it's fat but it's nothing wrong with it if your bmi and health is right
I understand what this means yes baby fat is fat
One more thing I'd like to add is the age of idols. They are normally in their early teens when they begin training and are asked to diet. They debut around 15-22 and are at a low weight. The crucial thing is that their bodies are still developing until around 29 years old. If the body is lacking important ingredients that these people don't eat because of a diet, there can be long lasting problems with their health for the rest of their lives. It's not just "unhealthy", it is so dangerous and can damage the rest of your life.
Great video as always, your way of providing evidence to prove your points make your videos so reliable! Good job!
That’s a very good point! And thank you I tried my hardest to make my point clear and understanding
Don't worry !!
They take expesive vitamin shots n n eat traditional herbal medicine , once or twice a year , plus koreans eat lots of soup type of food , it's rich in vitamins n minerals , like sea weed stuff .
@@koreanmarco If you think that's enough to compensate for being uderweight in a very important stage of development, you're naive.
@@ismt9390 eating meat is also good and can provide benefits even if you gain a bit of a pound
@@ismt9390 imagining myself not eating meat can give me nightmares 👁️👄👁️
i’m surprised hwasa’s not here bc of everything that’s happened to her with body shaming but it is a really important issue that needs to be addressed!
Well she got slightly mentioned ^^
I agree she was told that she was ugly, and fat ugh..
Internacional fans LOVE to pretend that koreans hate her and called her fat. She's was already called ugly but very rarely she was called fat, actually internacional fans seen to call her fat way more than koreans fans.
@@abc_jv_xyz true true. Koreans actually LOVE Hwasa cause she has a different type of beauty. Well, she's the IT GIRL for a reason.
I think hwasa was only mentioned briefly because she was more hated for her face not being the standard and her skin being tan. Maybe it’s because the girl who made this video will make a whole different one about colorism in Kpop
Apart from companies, actual knetz tended to praise her body more than anything
something really sad is when i saw someone make a joke about idols getting periods, commenters were bringing up how they probably don't even have any because of their poor nutrition. I knew that one loses their period if they eat too little, but I hadn't made that connection to idols before and it was a kind of reality check to realize the way the beauty standards effect every single aspect of idols' lives, including things you wouldn't normally think of, like periods.
Yooooooooo hold up-
Im pretty sure constant malnutrition can also lead to infertility :(
@@asteriasss It can also lead to heart issues too.
i thought they just took pills that helped them reduce the bleeding, but now that I think about it it's very likely that at least 50% female idols simply don't have periods anymore.
Now that you've mentioned it this is extremely fcked up
petition to have a bodybuilder girl group
not really bodybuilders but I suggest you look into dreamcatcher, they don't seem to have restrictive diets at all and they go to the gym to ensure their muscles are strong enough for difficult choreo which I think is cool
@@aliceb609 yeah stan Dreamcatcher
Most idols start training in the middle of puberty, the time when their bodies are developing, and these diets are slowing the development down for aesthetics... 😤😤🕳🏃♀️
I started struggling with an eating disorder (caused by a trauma, my goal wasn't weight loss) when I was around 11 or 12 years old. It slowed down my puberty a lot and compared to the guys my age I still look like a 12 year old. I went to several clinics and most 20 or 18 year old girls I met there looked like they were maybe 15 or younger. The body tries to survive so puberty is hold back since it consumes a lot of energy. Energy that you don't have because you aren't eating enough. So just as you said, early dieting (actually dieting in general because going on an extreme diet is probably going to cause an eating disorder and might slow down your metabolism) is really harmful and it's disgusting that those companies force it on teenagers.
I also notice how k-idol beauty standards affect superfans like a friend of mine. I'm worried for my friend since she naturally has a "skinny" body yet she still sees herself as "fat" and wants to lose more weight.
@@neh7418 Not only superfans but literally everyone who sees at them and think it's normal or required to look that way
If I don't fit in this generations standard of beauty, I will have to become a different type of standards. - Hwasa
I can't wrap my head around the fact that they workout and do practices, recordings, shoots etc while being on such diets. Like is it even physically possible?? I get so weak and dizzy if I accidentally miss my meals and I don't even do much physically.
Right? Like it’s not normal for a human to eat so little and exercise that much everyday of their life
There are reports of idols being given pills in order to remain up to activity.I don’t remember it exactly but you can probably find some articles about it on the internet.
A lot of people who don’t eat enough end up consuming more than usual amounts of caffeine and energy drinks to get through the day without food.
@@malinasworld true, probably why most idols live off of iced americanos, which also makes them less hungry
as a chubby woman, it makes me so sad to see these girls calling themselves fat when they’re not. these beauty standards are inhumane, and they NEED to be stopped. my heart breaks for kyla, she was so mistreated by fans all the time and she did NOT deserve it. at all.
I couldn’t agree more. I’m always wondering when Han Sung Soo is gonna lose his career. He has been manager for too long, I dream of him getting a resignation.
Can you do one about always looking perfect. Like when they take pics or do vlive and if they don't have makeup on or a filter they cover their face and say that they are ugly.
Oh yeah for sure I’ll do one about beauty standards
Let’s not forget about Momo who had just one ice cube for a week and even spat her own spit out thinking that she would get fat. She almost DIED. These are actual issues and it’s horrible.
Ikr like that’s probably worse then the iu diet
Male idols do get *less* criticism than female idols, but it’s still is hate. I feel like they get more hate about their looks in terms of ‘face’
Im not sure it’s just what I think
Yeah. Like the jawline thing etc...
I don't think so, male idols faces are more diverse then female idols faces, they're not as harshly criticized
I think instead of dropping a bunch of weight in a short amount of time idols should maintain a healthy diet lifestyle. Like professional athletes do.
Agreed. Nothing wrong with a good diet and healthy lifestyle. I think not everyone understands that these diets these idols do (mostly) are not healthy at ALL
Tw: ED
"I've heard so many examples of kpop fans developing eating disorders because they felt unhappy with their bodies compared to idols"
I feel called out lol
Yea body dysmorphia for ye
I also fell in that trap because I would always watch “Grazy Grace” and I ended up on the kpop sides of RUclips and because of that I wanted broad shoulders, slim waist, and etc and I already have those thing but I didn’t feel skinny enough if that makes sense 😭
Same, my former roommate wanted to have Theighs like rose' she is already pretty thin tho she already has rose's Theighs and problem is she starves herself to achieve that. I remember offering her food and every time she would say no.
I lost my period for months trying to look like them. I ended up fainting and going completely blind for a minute at church lmao. Anyway, I'm back to my regular weight.
@@angelaalfonso4815 omggg I’m glad you’re doing well🥺💕
Actually that happened to me. It has been a long way into finding out what a healthy diet actually mean and it's not just starving yourself
Gain weight/too fat for their eyes: *get bashed*
Loss weight/became too skinny for their eyes: *get bashed*
Where does the idols have to position theirselves 🤦♂️
I love this "Issues In KPOP" series can't wait to see what topic you cover next also, every time I see that clip of the press ignoring Kyla it just makes so upset like I know she doesn't match the "standards" in Korea but damn you aint gotta just completely ignore her.
Thank you. I think these are important issues that need to be talked about. I’m glad you like them
I don’t understand the obsession with weight in the Asian Entertainment Industry. Chinese celebrities are the same. Unrealistic beauty standards. All the actresses and actors have the same face features. Big eyes, pointing noises, small chins, skinny as hell and sometime big ears. What happened with being unique? What happened with being yourself then trying to look like everyone else? Thank you for doing this. I hope we can bring some changes to this issues.
I think the big ears thing is a recent trend because it makes your face look smaller so a lot of people are actually getting surgery to look like that.
tf i make a lot of effort to hide my big ears but now ppl getting surgeries to have them?!
Last time I weighted 42kg I was 14, wtf... that's so sad it's the "standard" weight...
Exactly. When I first got into Kpop back in 2018, I was so surprised to find out alot of the female idols were 40-something in terms of weight. I now understand the main reason why most of them are like that because of their society's pressures and stuff.
(But of course not all of them are like that. Especially nowadays)
@@lifeissobeautiful6404 there’s nothing wrong with weighing that much
It’s just insane how little health education they have. Any person that exercises even half of what idols go have to do, has muscle. If they don’t, it means that their diet is unsustainable, that will strain the shit out of your body and especially if it happens in your formative years. I have been working out for 4 years and had been dancing 7 before that, i have a very small frame tho and I am just 163 cm tall, but I still weigh 48 kg. It’s harder to tell when people with similar frames have pants on but if their bare legs are showing it’s absolutely clear. You can mostly see it in the calf and how developed the front thigh is, you need to look in profile view not the front tho. I know that these is in general but kpop idols are not so special considering that we know that most of them had average bodies in the beginning.
im 14 and weigh like 49 kg ( mostly due to muscle) but imagine if I was in the kpop industry, I'd be crucified, according to a Korean dancer who gave a "perfect" weight formula I "should" weigh roughly 37kg or 75lbs, which is BEYOND underweight for ANYBODY my age..
Wow, 42kg at 14. I'm 12 and im 51.3 kg at 12 wtf🥲
It’s so sad how their looks and bodies are valued more than their health and talent. They are SINGERS and DANCERS. They need the proper food intake to keep their energy up to be able to handle all these stage performances. I can only praise them for being able to being able to handle this harsh shit.
I’m not defending it but kpop idols are in fact more than artists, they’re also models. BP for example are ambassadors for high fashion brands.
I hate how kpop fans( love how the international fans act as like they are not part of it but they clearly are) take an average looking body,say it's chubby or something when the reality the person is actually slim.
Kpop messed up their views in what skinny is like and now everyone who measures more then 50 kg are chubby to them
As a survivor of an ED, that crap sticks with you. My body isn't as healthy as I'd like it, my body reacts differently to food now, and even when you aren't acting on it the thoughts never go away. You never get rid of an ED, you just learn to realize it's irrational.
It's too much for a regular person to take, but an idol being watched by everyone from staff to Dispatch cameras can't take it in stride.
As a korean, I am aware of the toxicity on the topic of weight in the industry and of our own country. One of the reasons many think of themselves as fat is because we do have a slightly more petite figure and smaller bone structure compared to other countries so when we gain weight it makes us look much fatter than we actually are. But thats no excuse for the harsh expectations koreans have to put up with. I, myself, struggle with body weight, as someone who's only 14. In korea, everyone is so slim and pretty. It makes it hard to not compare others with yourself. The influence kpop idols have on teenage girls like myself, is honesty, crazy. Many even acquired eating disorders from following their favorite idols diets. Being skinny is not just normalized in korea, but its more like the bare minimum. They also expect you to meet with the korean beauty standards like double eyelids and slim, high nose bridge. And like being skinny is one thing, but having the idol body? There are many of us that still struggle with our body image even though we are already average to underweight. We wish that our waist was slimmer, thighs were smaller, etc because we want the " golden Idol proportions" I, because of all of this ^^, personally struggle with Anorexia Binge Eating Type where I starve, than binge eat. I just want to say that
you are beautiful no matter what. Dont try to live up to others standards. Its going to make you miserable forever really. Stop before its too late. and remeber, that the best body, is one thats healthy. :)
I hope you can recover from your disordered eating patterns and that your body image improves! The standard is so unrealistic and unhealthy, it puts stress on young people :(
@@aliceb609 ty :)
Oof these beauty standards make me feel so ugly and im not even Korean😑
the weirdest part is when idols are praised for not meeting the standard but in a really weird way. the most recent example is when purple kiss debuted, their comment sections were flooding with people being weird about swan’s body. they weren’t hating on her, but all they would ever talk about was how she was ‘breaking the standard’ or ‘beautiful in her own way’ bringing attention to her body where it isn’t needed. this is a 17 year old girl, she isn’t just an outlet for your toxic positivity. idols like hwasa go out of the way to break standards but swan is doing nothing but existing, just leave her alone
It's such a backhanded compliment. Like when ppl comment "You're so brave" when ppl who are slightly larger post bikini pictures
People fat shamed Jihyo, which is so uncalled for, just because she has a naturally rounder face and bigger bust.
It’s such a harsh beauty standard 😩
about Kyla: "she's definitely not average"
(trigger warning for ED)
this person is talking about a child and this person is no doubt a grown man. also Kyla is maybe a size 6, which honestly could not possibly be more average for a 14 to 19 year old girl in South Korea. the standard for kpop idols is not "average", it's borderline anorexic. medically speaking, anyone who is consistently more than 10 pounds underweight is usually evaluated for disordered eating, and the vast majority of idols would fall into this category, since 120 to 140 pounds for young women/girls that are approx. 5'2" to 5'6" is considered healthy, and a lot of female idols are taller than 5'6", and are around 100 to 108 pounds. that's 12 to 20 pounds underweight, and it shows.
even though these girls work out constantly, they have zero muscle mass, and you can see how atrophied their muscles look - this is because their bodies are eating up their muscle tissues for energy since there is no more fat to consume on their bodies after years of daily starvation. this is also why some female kpop idols have admitted to no longer having monthly cycles - another huge red flag for starvation so severe that it could be deadly. the body can't spare the cellular energy to perform these basic tasks because they aren't absolutely essential to continue life for the person in question. when you're starving for a long period of time, the body shuts down all processes that aren't absolutely essential to keep the heart, brain and organs working, including monthly cycles for girls. the body will also eat up every single bit of body fat, even in female areas - this is how some female kpop stars can go from being busty as trainees to an american A-cup after debut. this is so unhealthy, both mentally and physically, in ways that I can't even describe. this "forcing idols to be severely underweight" contractual clause is not just for the look of being starving, it's for control. someone who is consistently starving often can't think critically and is very pliable, simply from mental fog and mental exhaustion. I'm consistently disgusted by this issue - these are not "beauty standards" they're thinly veiled control mechanisms to keep idols under the thumb of labels, and they are poorly disguised methods to create public punching bags for the emotionally repressed Korean public to openly shame and feel okay about doing it. in a repressed society, people need excuses to let out their worst impulses, since they are forced to be so reserved in public at all times. insisting that idols maintain anorexia while still maintaining a higher activity level than anyone else is society is obviously impossible, but that's the point - it creates a rat race where those who fall behind at this impossible task are publicly hated and shamed, for a reason that has been deemed socially acceptable, which serves a greater purpose for the Korean public. it's literally like a dystopia, and it's honestly so terrifying and traumatizing for the idols who get entrapped in this system, all the while thinking they are doing it to achieve their dream of music artistry. it isn't about music, it's about money, control and serving a greater (evil) purpose for repressed Korean society.
You lost me when you said “anorexic, medically speaking” to do with body weight because there’s no such thing as an anorexic looking body. Maybe don’t use medically incorrect, ableist terms?
@@scarlett8782 I have an ED too, there’s no such thing as an anorexic bmi, anorexia is a mental illness not a body weight or type or bmi, what do you mean “at risk of anorexia” again, anorexia has fuck all to do with anything to do with your body, it’s a MENTAL ILLNESS you’re talking about symptoms of having anorexia for a long time. You can call me a troll all you want, you’re literally incorrect
@@scarlett8782 also I totally forgot to mention. Do you think I’m fucking stupid? Being a medical engineer doesn’t mean you know anything at all about mental illnesses. That’s like a university janitor claiming that they’re qualified to be a university professor. You need a fuckin reality check
@@luianderson7360 NO, once again, you're incorrect. there are physical effects of mental illness. how do you diagnose someone with active self harm..? explain it in your reply. bet you won't. how do you evaluate the severity of a mental illness that has physical effects on the body, when you can't trust the admissions being made by the patient? you can't look into someone's mind, you can only make assessments based on the truthfulness of someone's own admissions, and their descriptions of their own behavior. if it were up to a person with ED like mine, they would never get help or be diagnosed. I lied my ass off to get out of treatment, and so do many others in the same frame of mind. thank god I was dealing with actual doctors and mental health professionals and not fake SJWs/selfish kpop stans on the internet who are totally clueless, calling doctors "ableist" for making diagnoses based on decades old, well tested, physical and behavioral criteria, or I'd be dead right now. if my treatment were up to a fake assh*le like you, I would have died from my illness. they took one look at my weight to height ratio, my inability to stand on one foot, my pathetic grip strength, my heartbeat, my pallor, my atrophied muscles, and admitted me for inpatient care. i'll link several articles that might help you stop lying, but I doubt it, since your ignorance is willful. I also find it off putting that you didn't have ED until I brought mine up, almost like you're trying to shout me down to invalidate me and my experience by suddenly having an ED too now. it stinks of a potential liar around here. how come you didn't have ED until I mentioned my recovery from anorexia..? and you never answered my question: how can I be ableist against myself..? I want you to explain that to me, and I want you to define ableism in the context of ED diagnosis. do doctors and nurses (heroes) also HATE and discriminate against people with ED for using physical criteria to help diagnose them..? are doctors and nurses, and other medical professionals like myself, the worst kind of discriminatory scum for using physical markers in combination with behavior markers to diagnose mental illness..? you honestly make me sick. not only are you most probably lying about having serious ED (because you didn't have it until I brought up my own experience with anorexia), but you're also shitting all over the entire medical community and how we diagnose patients who are not in their right mind to answer questions honestly and fully. how dare you, especially during this pandemic when those with my degree are developing vaccines to save your sorry ass, and doctors and nurses, the same people you're calling ableist for having diagnostic criteria for anorexia, are literally dying in an effort to treat people with COVID. you seem more and more like a horrible person every time you reach out your hand to type another ungrateful, accusatory reply. you're full of garbage, and you're just another lying, out of control, disconnected from reality kpop stan, based on your other social media. I can't believe how rotten kpop stans can become. you're really out here shitting on doctors and medical professionals who diagnose ED because someone is WORRIED about a kpop idol. if you actually cared about the idols, which you clearly don't give a sh*t about their health, you would also be concerned about girls that weigh 85 pounds at 5 foot 4. but you couldn't care less if they're suffering or worse, potentially looking at organ failure from severe malnourishment.
here's a quote from one of the several articles I will be linking to debunk your selfish bullsh*t because blatant lies like "you can't be diagnosed with an eating disorder by using weight as an indicator of disfunction" is what leads girls to NOT SEEK HELP or delude themselves into believing that they can't die from being underweight, or that they don't have anorexia, when they clearly do.
"Anorexia nervosa, commonly referred to as anorexia, is an eating disorder characterized by low body weight, a distortion of the perception of body image, and an obsessive fear of gaining weight. As previously mentioned, the diagnosis of anorexia often requires multiple approaches, one of which is provided by the BMI Calculator. That being said, *a BMI below 17.5 in adults is one of the common physical characteristics used to diagnose anorexia*. There are also different tiers of anorexia based on BMI ranging from mild (
@@scarlett8782 I’m not denying that there are physical effects of anorexia, I literally said that in one of my first comments, but weight is very rarely used to diagnose anorexia, because it’s a mental illness, none of what you said actually counterpoints my original statement
I don’t think it’s just weight! A lot of idols are mocked and made fun of because of their skin, some idols have darker skin.
jine from oh my girl developed an eating disorder due to the criticism, she eventually left the group after other members found her throwing up in the bathroom. sad to day the least
Jihyo's figure is so unbelievably perfect that I can't imagine anyone sane criticizing her. Most of these critiques go beyond appearance & seem to be just misogynistic attempts to control women.
*who was the man who defended Suli of f(x)?
that's actually amber of FX
@@jihoonscarat My apologies!
Like jihyo can't make her *reasts smaller OMG
I also want to talk about skinny shaming since it’s so normalised. Just because being thin is considered the beauty standard in Asia doesn’t mean skinny shaming isn’t real. Sunmi had to binge eat because of those comments she received. Ofc ppl can be worried for them but shaming their bodies ain’t it, saying they look sick and ugly is not “caring about them”. Sometimes, they are naturally thin (Lisa, rose..) and Asians are just more petite and I feel like some westerners fail to understand that. I know fat shaming is a big problem and bigger people go through more (at least in Asia) but it doesn’t mean that skinny shaming should be ignored.
True, i always get made fun of when i tell someone i don‘t feel confident in my body
I think it's great you brought this up. I have a female friend who is naturally thin and eats all the time, but her mother accused her of being "anorexic", "bulimic", unhealthy, picked on her for how she ate, etc. for her entire life starting at 4 years old. She obsessed over her weight to the point where she doesn't even like eating with people anymore bc she's traumatised from being accused of having an eating disorder and having her portions policed by her mother. Even today she eats more than enough and is just naturally thin but wishes she would gain more weight. If we're going to condemn fat-shaming, as we should, then lets also condemn thin-shaming. It's possible for someone's lifestyle, metabolism, food choices/allergies, work, etc. to cause them to be thin. You don't need to tell someone they're "too thin".
@@sithlordhibiscus9936 wow her mother went about it the absolute worst way jesus christ. If she was actually dealing with an ed that type of approach on her mother's side wouldn't have helped at all
@@sithlordhibiscus9936 i have a very fast metabolism, last last year i weighed 19 kg, it's not really my fault because whenever i eat too much i get a painful diarrhea and i can survive a day without feeling hungry. My mom accused me for being anorexic too when in fact i just don't care about how i look (until people started shaming me for being skinny, i got very obsessed with my weight, now i'm 41 kg, and that led me to depression) and this quarantine, my mom force fed me, i told her many times about metabolism and how bodies work differently, she got mad at me for "making excuses" and hit me with her hanger for proving her wrong, she's so annoying and very close minded, i only love her because she's my mom but i hate her as a person, even my dad is taking sides with her just because they're older doesn't mean they're smarter. People always tell me to have a convo with my parents about it and my depression so I told them that i'm depressed and i also have anger issues and they just made fun of me, and yOuRe tOo yOuNg tO hAvE tHaT, "that's because of your phone", "you're demonic" (my stupid mom thinks being depressed is demonic ugh). I hate my parents, sadly emotional abuse of parents or physical abuse and skinny shaming is normalized in my country, whenever someone speaks up about it they get shamed and called "weak" because "they just can't handle it and deal with it" they also get called maarte meaning "nitpicky" or "pretentious" or "melodramatic" and get told to just go on your day and eat to gain weight and insult them by saying "buto't balat" meaning "skin and bones".
So true! My oldest is 1/4 Korean but has very distinct features except her height. She is 16 but is 178ish cm's but is barely 53 kg's. That is her natural build though cause she eats everything lol, she is super athletic though she just is really thin. She used to get made fun of so much and people would make such cruel comments. It doesn't happen as much in HS but she still gets it sometimes.
thank you for this video, i have watched a lot of videos regarding this topic and yours is very well done.
im a kpop fan and yet i hate this industry. idols sing songs about self love and being confident and yet they push these standards onto themselves and in turn influence their audience. like jype giving itzy their songs and yet making jihyo feel bad for her weight attacking her confidence and making momo do that horrible diet.
im very worried at the next generation of idols that would debut, looking at the groups now they're getting younger and younger and i know these standards would affect them so much. i feel like the government has to step up and limit the idols age or work hours, these companies don't take care of their idols well :/
hoping these standards will fade away
The idols who are attacked for putting on weight or being fat, literally still look like slim and healthy women! The standards are ridiculous.
12:59
You are right, he did apologize for that. Not only once, not twice, but three times (all through his own twitter account)
Thankfully he has shown support for plus sized women too (you can watch ICSYV episode with shindong) so it's safe to say that he has changed his view.
thank you for clarifying !
Finally a video that addresses this issue while avoiding skinny shaming. I’m tired of people calling underweight idols “inhuman”
this is really it, when i look at their profiles and they are like 49-40kg even tho they’re 159-170cm so it makes me feel super fat and overweight even tho i’m not even overweight😔
Don’t stress too much about what’s on the idol’s profiles. They’re pm all fake and established idols will readily admit this (usually on variety shows that have a lighter atmosphere or radio shows). Most of the heights and weights are essentially made up stats by the company that they think the public will find appealing to add to the idol’s allure. I know it’s easy to let that stuff get in your head (I’m certainly guilty of doing so, even knowing they’re fake) but just remember it’s all marketing - those stats aren’t real and you don’t need to hold yourself to them.
A huge tell is the heights - most of the time they’re wayyy off. So many female idols are listed as 5’6”/5’7” when they’re no more than 5’3”, maybe 5’4” max. It’s super easy to clock when you see them lined up next to male idols (who also lie on their profiles about height just as often).
They absolutely aren’t all exactly 50 kg like they all say on the profiles. That’s just pure fantasy. Yes, idols are pm all slim but they do not weigh exactly the same just like they do not all have the same waist measurements. Once an idol debuts, it’s up them to self manage usually (crap companies will overstep like with 9 muses, for example, but that’s not really the norm). They aren’t having weekly or daily weight checks anymore. That alone should tell you the profiles are completely bogus or, at the very least, super out of date.
As someone who actually lives in Korea, it's really insane how much weight is picked on. Being underweight is considered the standard which is dangerous, but unfortunately I don't think it's gonna change. There is one positive, like mentioned, that overweight rates are very low.
i really don’t understand....jihyo was considered “overweight” but lisa and rosè are “too skinny.” it’s especially weird because they’re not that far apart in weight. beauty standards are impossible.
I think it's because of her rounder face shape which may give an illusion of her being larger? She still doesnt look fat at all but it gives ppl an excuse to hate on her
She is heavier on the top. She has big breasts which is unusual when it comes to kpop idols, her body shape is just misunderstood. The top and the face is what you normally see on a camera while the legs aren't seen as much so it gives the illusion that she's bigger.
@@ilikemydonutswithjaminthem5606 Yeah, exactly. Not many Kpop stars have that sort of figure.
Because lisa and rose are flat all over, so they look really skinny, but jihyo has more shape to her, especially in the chest and thigh region so she looks bigger than other girls, but really isn’t
The audacity that crusty ass man on Hello Counselor had was absolutely astounding. Like he really thought he had the ability to tell a world famous celebrity she was fat and then still continued to attack other women around him. Ppl are just horribly disgusting sometimes.
omg this, esp when he looks like THAT. i dont wanna shame someone for their looks but omg if u think you can shame an *idol* for her looks on TV, he should get prepared to catch some hands from fans.
the paper cup diet sounds kind of nice though. it’s got a lot of nutrients and doesn’t limit based on calories or meals. 3 meals a day with smaller portions and all necessary food groups…sounds good. I guess depends on the size of the cup tho
Right. It wasn't as horrible as the rest of the diets mentioned
Jimins diet breaks my heart 💔my bias is perfect he don't need this diat. They all don't need it.
Someone i know is trying to follow these diets and omg im trying to warn them of what will happen but to no success . Thanks for making the video
I hope they start to realise how dangerous they are. I hope they are okay ❤️
@@jihoonscarat i hope so too
Tell them not to !! It's not good !
We are Not kpop idols , they are !
Plus kpop idols have doctors who watch them , they take special vitamin shots in each concert , n take traditional herbal medicine on the side !!!!
Allll koreans mostly allll do , including myself !! ( herbal medicine )....
Plain food is not enough !!
Whenever I see some of these idols bounce, or loose too much weight so their face even changes my heart sinks a little. I just wish it wasn't necessary like I would not care if they had a little tummy I actually think that's cute 😔
! tw // ed !
this video's a few months old, but i wanted to mention a few things. (rant warning lol)
first, NONE of these are diets! these are glorified eating disorders, and it's heartbreaking to see so many young people being influenced by these unrealistic standards.
second, iu mentioned she had an eating disorder around the time of her "diet", and she has struggled with bulimia in the past. honestly, this makes it so much worse that people were so eager to try it, because not only are they hurting themselves, but they're kind of glorifying eating disorders as well (all k-pop "diets" do).
also, these diets are (obviously) really dangerous! i've struggled with eating disorders in the past, and i just overcame a particularly difficult bout of anorexia/bulimia a couple months ago. being a k-pop fan, seeing these extremely underweight idols fueled my disorder and made it severely worse. i used to think i was fat and ugly because idols that were my height were so underweight and they were praised for it. i thought i had to be underweight, too.
i really hate how companies force their idols to be so incredibly underweight to make them feel "beautiful", and how idols are constantly shamed for their weight, even if they're average. even if companies won't stop starving their artists, i think they should at least stop broadcasting dangerous diets to the public. it influences so many young people (like myself), and eating disorders kill (but obviously they should also stop starving their artists).
it's awful how the artists get praised for being underweight; for having a disorder. from experience, i know that eating disorders/starvation gives you this sick thrill, and you feel proud of yourself for having "self control", when it's really nothing to be proud of. i know these idols are exhausted, but they probably also have that awful mindset of "i did it", and they can never truly recover because of the extreme standards that are constantly being pushed on them.
i also really hated that clip with momo (?), where she said she was worried she wouldn't wake up when she went to sleep. no one should have to go through that, but i think her members' responses were also really bad, commenting on "self control" and almost making it sound like something to be proud of.
tl;dr i agree with everything said in this video lol
sorry for writing an essay, but thank you for reading it ^^;
We all saw what body shaming can do to someone. Look at Jesy from Little Mix. Actually, FORMERLY from Little Mix because she was bullied tirelessly for her appearance that she left the group. Is that what people want? For everyone to quit on their dreams because they get too bullied to go five seconds without their weight being brought up? And what message does that send to viewers of these people? They see they people who they deem to be beautiful being harassed/bullied and that makes them feel even worse about themselves. And social media makes it so much worse. I hope that we as a society can move out of this mentality.
I love how good you covered the topic BUT THE ARIAZ FANCAM ALMOST MADE ME CRY I WANT THEM BACK
i knooooww! I am so sad, that's why i added them cause I just wanted them to get some love. I really miss them
As someone who has tried most of these diets short term desperate to lose weight...this video is so useful and does a great job highlighting the issues surrounding this and the impact it can have on not only the idols but the fans as well
I've been into kpop since 2010, basically I was 11 years old, and I can say without a doubt that it changed the way I view beauty. I'm a black latinx person, everything I am is rejected or viewed as ugly in kpop, and all I wanted back then was to be pretty like my favorite idols, I've tried to lighten my skin, I've damaged my hair to make it straight enough so I could have a fringe, and I've followed many of those diets, I deal with e.d till this day because of how young and impressionable, I was a sponge, I just absorbed all of their ideals without criticizing it.
I love Amber for defending Sulli ❤️
TW: EATING DISORDER
I understand wendy, it's been the same for me. I have anorexia and my weight fluctuates a lot because of constant crazy diets. I tried the jimin diet without even knowing and in the third day I felt like I would pass out and decided to eat but with a lot of guilt. I remember my body aching because my bones would touch each other when I slept, I always felt cold and dizzy and my period stopped. people often asked me if I was sick but I felt so proud of myself. now I gained a lot of weight and I feel ashamed of even leaving the house and live with constant guilt everytime I eat a little more and don't workout. and being a kpop stan make this even worse since this girls seem to be so perfect, the way I used to be when I was underweight. I hate to think like this but I think I'll try the IU diet out of desperate.
please don't. i promise you it's not worth it. i used to have an ed too, so i understand that weird sense of pride, but if you want to lose weight you should seriously take it slow, and lose the weight in a healthy way. stay safe, ily
@@eva.0613 thank you so much, it's good to see someone supporting me to do good and be healthy instead of putting me down because of my ed. I am slowly trying to eat nutritious food and get to do the exercises that I love. you're really a kind soul and I promise try to not think of diets like anymore 💜
Hi:) Please seek help! Eating disorders are way more dangerous than society sometimes makes them to be. I suffered from ED for 5 years and I still have long way to go. You’re beautiful just as you are. Sending a lot of strenght!🤍
@@hemotivateme7887 thank you so much my dear! I take them seriously for sure and I'm seeking help! I hope we both continue our journey against this awful disease
yup.. momo's story was scary.. especially when someone else noticed that her lips had no color. realize that the culture (asian) is still of the old days. even if the country changed rapidly the thinking hasnt. its like what us was in the late 70's.
yes, east asian counties are a bit conservative but they are not backwards in their thinking. tf?
@@killjoy8637 they definitely are. Racism, sexism, colorisim, homophobia, suicide rates, work hours, etc Are all terrible in east Asia. Yes all countries have these problems however they usually refuse to admit to these problems.
@@mynx6522 ah yea because no other 1. world country ever dines that they have those issues. nope not at all. fucking look at america and their racism in particular. asia is not backwards on their thinking you’re just racist and not seeing the issues in your own country if you think that.
@@killjoy8637 I literally said all countries deal with these issues. The problem is with a lot of East Asian culture they are very focused on imagine therefore they sweep issues under the rug where they just get worse and worse. They are very proud and you can literally lose friends over saying things like “the beauty standard in this country is to harsh” or “This country can be very colourist” they don’t like criticism of any sort
@@mynx6522 oh yes because other countries are not like that at all. you literally called asia backwards. fuck you man. just because you’re a weeb doesn’t mean you know shit about asia.
omg thank you for speaking about this!! I hate the way idols eating little to nothing is normalized and praised. Idols dance and workout constantly and losing calories. They can not be working off more calories than they gain. Idols need a healthy and consistent diet not just an apple or a banana a day😐😐. I really don’t know why anyone should care about someone else’s weight like that
I really don’t understand why people care and bully people about how they work and away especially female K-pop idols Oh My Girl JinE has a whole eating disorder cuz those these standers when she was too skinny people had a problem is she getting too much weight it was a problem but u got people like Super Junior Shindong not being rude who is a little bigger no one really said nun about him that much also he even said that Women should be skinny and it ok if men r not that wht he was trying to say but he word it different but If a girl said that it would be a problem the well want her out the group I am not saying men don’t have it hard but women have it different
This is a very important topic that needed to be discussed and I'm glad that you did so perfectly.
thank you, im glad you liked my coverage on this topic!
Lmao I tried one of these diets and decided I would eat an egg as a cheat meal. When I went back to the kitchen my brother already ate it. I legit had a FUCKING RAGE FIT. I threw things at him and shit. I cried and screamed at him.
Being hungry is scary ya'll lmao.
Ikr :(
My ED made me very sensitive when It comes to food. Especially when I started recovery. I used to make my very small meals look as 'fancy' as possible and if they wouldn't turn out as I wanted them I would start crying
Thank you for making this video. As an American fan, I sometimes just dont understand Korean pop culture and the hate they get. especially about weight, out here its all about being THICC and curvy; standards are different in every country but I truly wish these idols would just be themselves. all body shapes are beautiful. they should stop feeding into a Man's world and their standards of beauty
Story time: i did the extreme momo diet where she ate 1 ice cube a day and continued dancing and singing everyday. Long story short after painfully doing this for a full 5 days ( momo did this for 7 i dont know how bless her) i was 12 and passed out on the 6th day. I woke up 3 days later. Momo said she was scared if she fell asleep she wouldnt wake up and i feel that. 2nd scariest time in my life
DUDE THAT'S SO SCARY, I'm so glad you're okay now holy shit *hug*
I have an ED and I’m realizing how wrong my thinking is when I see what they are eating and I feel like those are great ideas or even too much food or even healthier than what I am eating
(I am now going to therapy for my eating disorder).
I’m sorry that happened to you! I hope you get better soon❤️
@@mochislie9676 thank you! You’re super nice 💓 I’m trying to get better
The path to recovery is always difficult, I hope you get better soon ❤️
Just an amend about BMI, asian BMI it's calculated differently a normal BMI. For an east asian a "normal BMI" can mean obesity since they have more visceral fat, so yes it's normal to them be asked to have lower weights, but not exactly super underweight like is expected from idols.
Also it's common that companies release an false weight on the idols profile, usually one to five kilos under the original weight or that idols go on diets before being weighing so they be skinnier and then go back to their original and more healthy weight, some idols have a lot of muscle too, even some girls so even if they look thin, they hardly weight something like 45kg, especially the tall ones. One way of see if an idol it's ok on that side is look their muscle definition, since they workout and dance a lot, it's normal for them to have some muscles, especially on their legs. Jihyo and Joy are good examples of idols who are really healthy even when they look skinnier than before.
You make such high quality videos! I hope more people will find your channel!
Thank you so much 💕
When I think about crazy idol diets I think about So Jung Lee from Ladies Code who only had a few cherry tomatoes each day and ended up with an ED and had difficulty walking up stairs!
Being underweight can be dangerous, I had to be told I might die at age 18; no one should have to go through that.
2018 I was working out in class and after we finished I collapsed and passed out after P.E in school. I was taken to emergency where they said my lung had ruptured and I wasn't getting enough oxygen and that is was due to being underweight. I was hospitalized for the weekend but had to recover for 3 months at home missing school and not being able to dance which is something I enjoy. It took another 2 months after that before I was allowed to do normal stuff again. When I was allowed to start working out again my doctor recommended that I needed to gain 12 kilos to make sure it doesn't happen again.
To other girls out there, please take care of yourselves. You can look as stunning as the idols being a healthy weight and working out.
this was a very informative & well structured video, good job! :) it honestly makes me upset what idols have to go through just for their job. and it's even more sad when it comes to underaged idols who are just teens and who are still developing (physically & mentally). for example, it's quite hypocritical that chaeryeong & ryujin had to diet in order to debut yet they gave itzy the "i love myself/i'm so different" concept ugh. chaeryeong once told on a vlive that her and ryujin used to eat secretly in a bathroom of the company until they got caught one day :(
I’ve been eating in a pattern similar to theirs for years. Not because of K-pop but because I’m too busy or get full too easily so I plan my whole day around the one meal if I’m eating out. And guys. You get used to it FAST and you’ll be fainting at random times. It is so hard to get rid of these habits. Prioritize healthy food items and a pattern that works for you. Strict restriction only makes it worse.
idols get hated on if they weight "too much" but they also get hated if they are "too skinny" could people just like... not? also so many people assume that really skinny idols have eating disorders(??) which is like... ok if someone loses a lot of weight in a short amount of time i would be a little worried but,, you can't say someone has an ed based on their appearance. you can't know unless that idol opens up about it.
I'd be interested in a more in depth video on this topic too, one that further explores the implications and effects of these standards as well as other aspects of the culture that are related to these body standards. Great work with this one!
When you mentioned how fans might feel insecure abt their body bc of idols it reminded me of myself bc I had a really bad eating disorder when I was 12 bc I would compare myself to skinny idols. It didn’t trigger me dw I just find it so sad that there are so many other fans like me
This is a great video, and so important to have on this site. Subscribing, and thank you for making this! I’m 5’9 and according to Korean beauty standards I suppose I should be weighing 92 pounds?!? That’s pretty unhealthy for my height. I got down to 97 pounds at the height of my disorder + addiction to dr*gs, and everyone said I looked amazing, and so small 😔 I had an intense weight gain a couple years ago bc of PTSD and the meds I was put on that all caused me to gain weight rapidly. I got up to 185 pounds, but am back down to around 135-140 now. I still feel horrible about myself, bc of the standard I’ve placed on myself, but heavily influenced by being a kpop fan as a teenager and wanting to look like Yoona from Girl’s Generation 💔 I wish I’d never developed Bulimia and anorexia (at different times I’ve struggled with both) bc now I know what I CAN look like, and bc I’m still not the healthiest in my mind, I want to get back there. I’m trying to get better though, and eat when my tummy growls and I get pains and stuff, but it’s hard. I feel like I’ve “let myself go” when I even eat 2 bowls of soup and some crackers in a day 😢 I wish I could afford counseling, I think that would help.
I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I’m sad to hear you struggle, and it doesn’t help when, like you said, people compliment you for your body when you’re starving yourself. I hope you get some help and you have support around you. I’m here for you and I believe you can be happy with your body ❤️❤️❤️
this is such a well presented video, i really hope this gets across to all the body shamers!
For me Jennie from Blackpink has a normal weight. Like she is 1.63 and 50 kg is normal. I'm 1.60 and I weight 50 kg. I eat pretty much everything I want and don't exercise. She probably can eat even more since she also dances and is more active.
yes, jennie it's not THAT skinny. she looks normal to me.
Still, you have to see the amount of sports (mostly dance practice and flying yoga) she does. Her body fat percentage might be pretty low at athletes level, so she is actually slimmer than average. It's not good to have to little body fat either...
Also for the height and weight thingy: I'm from Germany (so yeah different genetics) but all of my friends usually were at about 54-57kg at a height of 163cm. If you (@Melania Arce) are 50kg at 160cm than you are quiet lucky because your metabolism might be quiet high. I'm the same weight but 4cm taller and I was like the rare insect for being that weight...
@@raba9_7 Jennie has definitely more of a healthy weight
She doesn't have much muscle tone (which isn't bad) so she most likely has an average body fat percentage.
I have a pretty similar body to hers and usually a person with her height and weight would be considered perfectly healthy.
For example I'm like 168 cm and weight around 51-52kg right now and I still don't look as skinny as most Idols and in terms of BMI and health checks I'm considering slightly underweight but healthy.
@@raba9_7 She is not a average person. She is an idol. Despite that her body looks the healthiest. Exercise isn't bad for you Especially she trains her body to be stronger and more elastic. It's not like she is losing weight.
In regards to BMI, it says that Asians BMI healthy range is up 23. This isn't due to a body standard just Asian people need to be a big skinnier to be healthy This is due to genetics not beauty standards.
Check the NHS website.
That being said, yes they do take weight into extreme.
Very true,Asians and people of African descent ideally need their BMI to be 23 or lower,not enough people know this.
@@Lilly-ud6qs Wow, I didn't know, so I went to read about it and it's true, but still under 18.5 even in Asia is underweight. Does it include all of Asia or just certain countries?
These aren't diets. This is very dangerous starvation.
The Kyla video never fails to make me sad. No wonder she needed time to herself, I don't know how any 15 year old could deal with that on their own.
Also, at 8:35 you mentioned Wendy lost the weight and came back for Red Flavor, but their next comeback was Russian Roulette. Wendy still got attention for the weight loss then, and again during Rookie, and finally during Red Flavor. Did you mean to skip the other eras or just address the biggest difference in weight?
Yes I just wanted to mention the era where it was mostly noticeable and it was getting scary. It wasn’t like a run down from era to era if that makes sense ?
Can we PLEASE address the mental health implications that come with all this BODY shaming this is so sad :( idols should deserve all the food they want for working so hard
I know you shouldn't stoop to their level but....that guy who said that to Sulli...like maybe fix your teeth and that face cause yikes.
I also hope he's homeless cause he sure as hell looked like he could be.
Ok rant done but you can't tell me I'm wrong cause those are facts. And if I had the opportunity to say that to him there's a high chance I would.
lmaooooo
No need to bring down someone else’s appearance while talking about problems in bodyshaming, if someone is a bad person call them out for being a bad person. You do not need to disrespect their appearance. Imagine how other feel if they have those same features you’re making fun of
@@cartqueen6114 let's just say he was far from perfect. And an a-hole for making her feel so bad on national TV
Waching this while eating mcdonald's 😗✌
ngl, i used to and still stay away from many girl groups (or limit myself to a few) because I felt so bad about my own body and weight before that I wished I could go on a diet. i barely think that way right now but sometimes, it just happens
I do the same but tbh it doesn't help because when I see that make idols weight less than I do I feel EVEN WORSE about myself :(
My heart really hurt because recently BIGHIT has put the group ENHYPEN on a dangerous diet to the point where in a video one of the members said they were so hungry and had to watch his members eat and he looked like he lacked energy and he looked so tired. I’m so SICK of the beauty standards. One day all of the beauty standards need to Just expand where they allow healthy bodies. and melanin skin!
Can we stop calling these behaviors "diets" when they're literally eds???
ok so here’s something that happened with me. I kinda got into bts last year, have only been a fan of taylor so I guess I am what kpop fans call a western stan but yeah anyways, so we’re talking about mid 2020 when dynamite came out. for the first 4 months that I spent slowly getting into their discography (yup im more of the music > artist person), it was pretty good but after that when I was keeping up with what they are doing or how they look, I didn’t realise how I was gradually starting to compare myself to them. I would look at their arms or collarbones and wonder why mine wouldn’t look how their’s did. also, quick reminder - I struggle with an eating disorder so that gradual process of comparison was somehow pushing me to start starving again. thankfully I realised what I was doing was awfully wrong, stepped back from engaging into that action and now just for the sake of myself I try my best to not get into kpop. the fact that this was with a group that I was told is allowed to have some kind of a control on their diet was truly concerning because I can’t imagine this very situation if it was one of these girl groups. I can’t help but hate how these toxic things can lead new casual listeners or gp to steer away from that whole genre or industry. idol or not, these are real people not a mannequin. they should be healthy, moreover they shouldn’t be restricted to take pleasure from food. sincerely hope this questionable view and criticism tones down and people stop hating women as well as men for having a normal healthy body.
I would also like to point out about the negative image that is given when some female idols gain muscle. Though it is not very common it is still there, some female idols are called "too manly","weightlifters", or "very intimidating" due to their muscle gain. It breaks my heart every time a female idol is mocked instead of encouraged to show another part of her that is not just "feminine", "cute", or "sexy". I know there are other things that are mocked or discouraged as well but muscle gain is one of the things that I usually see spoken less about.
Imagine having to look perfect, move perfect, sing perfect, just be perfect and some of y'all are still calling some of them lazy ugh
I will never understand why people bully others because of their weight. Like? It's none of your business? It's so heartbreaking to all see those cruel comments...
Some people say that female idols get more hate regarding their weights and in a way it's true but I just can't help but see how lately Suga is being criticized for gaining weight after being out of promotions with BTS for his surgery. .. it's very annoying ... And Jimin also keeps getting hate about his weight and it's weird to see some tease that he's too skinny and others say he's fat ... I hate it so much ... beauty standards suck.
Those are just weirdos who like to create fanwars.
I didn't even notice Suga had gained weight (also, who cares ? ). Real ARMY only cared about him getting better and pain-free.
I'm on a diet at the moment, but I'm in it for the long haul and I'm doing it for my health primarily (I am a 24 year old woman, 168cm tall and early last year I hit 130kg, I am now 107kg)
I wanna thank you for the time you've taken to talk about this really important issue.
I've been pressured to starve in the past, and I can't imagine how horrible it would be to have your livelihood and entire reputation depend on a number on the scales that fluctuates even without changes, like Momo could have died?????? She looked fine before anyway???
I hope these companies realize they can have idols that are healthy, set a great example, perform well and with energy, no need to have underweight idols that are hungry, close to fainting, but look skinny enough to not get hate in a mini-skirt. (This is not to criticize the idols themselves, or idols that are naturally skinny and can't gain weight easily)
I hope you do well on your diet! As long as you're doing it in a good way it's totally fine, as I said in the video. I'm glad you enjoyed my video. I totally agree with your points as well
It's very sad to know that Jimin had only one meal in 10 days 😔...and he had this kind of diet during BTS' pre debut era too. According to him he was "chubby" and wanted to have good jawline. It was such a dangerous diet that once he just fainted. Jungkook also wanted to try that diet but Jimin didn't allow him to do so, at that time Jin took Jimin's side and that diet was stopped. Even Jin had only chicken diet for a whole year so reduce his chubbiness. Moreover I have heard that once Jimin started to lose abs in the debut era many people left the fandom. Jimin even got hate and many said that he has eating disorders. It's just so horrible, too horrible. I just hope BTS and other idols know that they're beautiful in any body shape please
I’d have to lose 24 pounds to fit the Korean standard 😭
I don’t even wanna say how much I have to lose
I'd have to gain like 17 pounds I'm a fucking twig- 😭😭✋
If u walked on the streets here in korea , you would find that you are pretty much normal !
We are not kpop idols , so no need to worry .
I’d have to lose 10kg :D
Girl ... I have to lose 56 😥😥
These diets are crazy. You can COMBINE most of them and make a healthy meal. Restricting your intake is important. You can shrink your tummy and how much you need to feel satisfied. You must eat healthy nutrient rich foods with protein and fiber to make you feel FULL. But how often you eat and the amount you eat is also based on your metabolic system. For example, I have to have four to six protein heavy small meals throughout the day. Always do a diet under the care of a physician! Losing large amount of weight in a short period of time can also lead to mental health concerns. Please be careful!
can i just mention that shindong has recently supported plus sized women openly? i don't mean to defend him at all, just want to mention that people grow and in a country where the standard is being thin and fatphobia is SO normalized, you can't expect someone to not have those thoughts :/
Am a 13 year old west African girl I always thought I was fat and all because of the beauty standards around the world because i weigh 68 pounds because when I look at my cousin's they are skinny like the ideal type
But I started to love my self I don't let people judge me and I also try to make others love themselves
You are beautiful don't let people tell you what to do with your body
You mean 68 kgs maybe ?
Tw/ ed
When my ed was at its worst i was in high school. My diet was similar to these( not saying these idols hace eds ofc), the goal was obviously to eat as little as possible. I was very strategic about it, there were days when i only had 250-300 calories.( Which felt like a lot to me tbh. My goal was usually around 100-150 but it's hard to find snacks with that low calories). The thing is, it's so hard to keep that up when you have to go to school, study, walk home, basically when you have to function. I was also excersizing heavily, at times overdoing it. With all these activities i was feeling all dizzy and just pretty shit. I cannot even imagine having the schedule of an idol with this type of diet.
Wow thank you for talking about this
I remember when I got into kpop. I was about 10 years old and saw how skinny idols were, so I starved myself a lot… I’ve never really been “skinny” and I was ashamed of being a little chubby when I was younger. I also got bullied which let me to having an ED (I’m still recovering from it) Now that I’m older and grew up to like my body, I look back at myself thinking how ridiculous I was back then.. I really hate the beauty standards because they destroy us. Wanting to fit in or- what ever reason, it’s just stupid…
Frankly the KPOP industry is overly obsessed with appearances, what normally is termed visuals. It tends to be the most important consideration, even more than talent, health, etc. Sure I get that in general being a teen music idol, regardless of what country, appearance would be a factor, but KPOP takes it to an unhealthy level. Because the idols aren't about the music, or being themselves, but about being a product sold to fans as a perfect fantasy. So if the idols don't look perfect, then fans can't fantasize about them. ATM the industry is clearly all about the money, and until fans stop wanting those "perfect" visuals, the industry won't change.
I mean when I was a teen, I don't recall any of my friends being concerned about knowing the exact weight or height of any of the teen groups or other bands they were fans of in this almost stalker type manner. Sure they might argue as to which was the best musically, or who was cutest, and sometimes there might be some gossip about group drama, but there never was this feeling that they had to look a certain way for the fans. In fact, not unusual for groups and artists to change their looks (along with music style) as they wanted as they grew older, and the fans would be perfectly happy to adapt.
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my poor baby jimin fainting during dance practice just breaks my heart... it's sad cause jimin was already perfect :( ALSO jungkook I think also did the same and didn't eat anything for 10days before the butter mv cause some k armies were body shaming her EVEN THO he already has abs I swear I'm really concerned for the people who comment on peoples weight.