Timestamps (bc I literally respect you sm for making a ONE HOUR LONG pt.2 of this series and I love your content sm): *Tier Five* 1:52 - Mark / Haechan Summer Fight 3:45 - Tablo Stanford Scandal 5:58 - Coming of Age Ceremony 8:09 - Kid Idols 10:15 - Lee Soo Man Criminal History 11:51 - ANS disbandment *Tier Six* 20:57 - Lovelyz Ji Soo Lesbian Scandal 22:52 - Baby Vox Lee Gai 24:13 - Weight and Diets 25:26 - Slave Contracts 28:15 - TS Entertainment *Tier Seven* 29:53 - NCT Dream Detained 30:44 - Big Hit & Dispatch 32:17 - Ladies Code Kiss Kiss M/V 34:33 - Jay Park Got Hyuna Pregnant 38:58 - Zico and the Golden Phone *Tier Eight* 39:46 - The 4Minute Concert Disaster 40:34 - Idol Abuse 42:30 - Sexualizing Idols 48:36 - Sponsors 53:54 - The Burning Sun & The Kakao M Chatrooms 59:17 - Bigbang Seung Ri
Depression and suic*de should be included in the Tier 7-8 list. While this is a very sensitive topic, if you want to do a kpop iceberg video, I think these topics should be covered as well.
Park Bom fairly recently came out to say that she never actually went on a watermelon diet. She was was encouraged by a physical trainer to replace refined carbs with watermelon. It was misreported at the time and has become a popular myth in kpop!
Why am I not surprised that JYP wrote Adult Ceremony... that man cannot be trusted and reeks of shifty things and I'm honestly scared because he works with so many young women in kpop. Not only does he work with them, we know he treats them differently from the male idols under his company (got7 on knowing bros) and also because we know he attempts to keep a 'closer' connection with his idols (at least in a public sphere) than most other ceos (that we know of). I'm honestly scared for his idols.
the sexualization of minors and idols in general bothers me so much. i feel so sick about hyuna. for the longest time, she got labeled with this certain image due to her debut when she was a LITERAL CHILD (i teach middle school/9th grade and imagining those comments about my students j use makes me uncomfortable and sick to my stomach) and everyone had it set in their minds that she was going to be this sex icon. when you watch her and see her personality, she liked to show off different sides of herself and dresses so eclectically. while she was in cube, she didn’t really look like she enjoyed the concept of herself until much later. it’s only recently that she looks truly happy because PNation allows her to be free. the idea that you’re forced to be a certain way to be liked just bothers me. no individuality. you’re a product that is sold and purchased. that’s it. you’re profitable. you’re an object.
I completely agree. I get people think this way, that can’t be changed but this is so easy to find and way to open for random people to find. I think people can have fantasies but then forget these are real people who go online and can see this stuff
That sub-reddit is filled with borderline pedophiles. People asking for idols in school uniforms or other childlike clothing isn't rare. It's soooo disgusting.
it’s so disgusting i rememeber being a hardcore oh my girl fan a few years ago and there were so many of arin, which is even more disgusting because she was a literal minor. it’s so gross😞
At about 44:00 you say that a fan was filming up the skirts of Nine Muses during a performance, this is actually false as the man who filmed up their skirts wasn't a fan but was a cameraman that was hired for the event, if you look at the whole clip you can see that Hyuna notices that they are being filmed up their skirts as she turns towards the screen behidn them and sees the video on the screen, you also mentioned that she told staff behind stage, but what she actually did was tell the other members about the fact that they were being filmed up their skirts. This is also why she personally told the man to stop filming up their skirts. Had she not seen the screen where the footage was shown she wouldn't have even known about it.
@@jihoonscarat Yeah, I have seen that misinformation being spread a lot, especially recently. I myself only know because I did a lot of research on it as Nine Muses is one of my favourite groups so I knew where to find reliable information.
I appreciate you letting me know. I like the girls a lot but sadly didn’t know where to looks I really appreciate people like you for being nice when correcting information
@@jihoonscarat It's no problem, it's really hard to find correct information when most sources get it wrong because they follow one wrong source. I really enjoy your content and so it felt important to tell you when you got something wrong. Love the video btw!
Not gonna lie, I thought this was like another “ dark side of kpop” “don’t trust or like big idols” type thing but I am pleasantly surprised that it’s actually pretty factual and not like drama starty, does that even make sense? Idk but I enjoyed the vid
Baby V.O.X's campany is DR Music... I think that's all we need to know dskdshdsdsdsf But ngl, the situations DR Music gets themselves into are so entertaining to watch lol, like I thought BlackSwan was going to continue as a four member group and have a comeback in April... but it's DR so they will: - never mention why the comeback didn't happen, after the month ended, they'll announce they are holding auditions and want to add a LUMINA to the group.
AH! I watched the first part like, 2 days ago and kept waiting and thinking when the next part was going to came up, this was such a surprise, do fast! omg
imagine having all of the pressure of being an idol while being a kid that’s so fucked up like older idols must barely be holding on, plus there are so many creeps out there why would you want to expose your child to that?
Momo (if i'm not mistaken) was told to lose 10-15 lbs in 1 week or not debut. She ate 1 ice cube per day and poor girl prayed to die by morning. Although she lost a lot of weight, it was not enough. She was, however, given a slight extension and still debut. Stuff of horror.
The sexualisation part reminds me of Sistar and their live performance of So Cool when they were in tiny pink dresses with no undershorts, and Hyorin was almost constantly holding her dress down, poor thing looked so uncomfortable.
I enjoyed part 1 and 2 so much😌thank you so much for touching on these topics in kpop. I personally enjoy watching your videos. You voice is so soothing to listen to and I just love your channel❤️❤️
with tablo, the harassment got so bad that his family was getting harassed as well. it’s messed up what happened to tablo and really fucked with his career for years.
OMGGG!!! If you think kid groups (as a concept) are creepy, check out COCO and their song "Be Quiet"... I am NOT sure what their company is thinking when they conceptualized the song, but... (also the members were like 11-14 t/o, if I'm not mistaken) ALSO kid groups changed their members, as often as I change my personalities. It's kinda impressive ngl, most of them have more line-up changes than BaBa!
Thank you for making these two videos, they were very educational. It’s sad to think that this is the only stuff we know about. Imagine how much is unknown ;(
You legally have to be 19 in your real age. If you’re talking about the New Year’s birthdate people sometimes go bye, it’s still 19 for most people. But for people born during the later end of a year, that age for them will be 20.
I’d also like to add that in the Radio Star interview in which Zico mentioned the “Golden phone”, JJY looked visibly uncomfortable when the phone was brought up and tried to steer the conversation away rather quickly. Zico is many things, but he isn’t stupid. Far from it. He’s actually really smart. Him being involved and mentioning JJY’s phone in such a context would be so out of character for him because that would’ve been just about the stupidest thing he could’ve possibly done. And I’ll put it this way- him mentioning that Contact Phone is probably what absolves him most (in my eyes at least). If he was involved, believe you me, we wouldn’t have heard about it. He would’ve taken special care to not mention that phone, or to draw any sort of attention to JJY’s phones at all. That’s what the people who were actually involved did- they literally just never spoke of JJY in such ways. Examples being the member of FT Island and the member of CNBLUE that were involved, as well as the other people in the chatroom. Zico was also never even mentioned by the police and though he was looked into due to this interview, was never brought in for questioning because the police never found any proof of contact between him and JJY in the Kakao chatrooms. AFAIK they actually stopped associating with each other a bit before Burning Sun broke, too. Zico’s someone who’s friends with everyone- Hyuna and Jessi being two that come to mind, as well as Hwasa, Penemoco, Dean, Crush, the list goes on. JJY was just one of those many, many friends. And considering unlike JJY and others involved, Zico’s never actually had any inappropriate conduct allegations brought against him, I personally have a hard time believing he was involved. So, thank you for properly representing the facts of the situation rather than just jumping on the Zico Hate Train. I really appreciate the attention to detail and research that you put into your videos. For those who want a super detailed timeline and description of everything that went on in Burning Sun, r/Kpop has a REALLY good breakdown of it and every person who was even tangentially related (via being in active contact with JJY at the time).
OMG I'm Chilean and the Dreamies almost being detained will always be remembered by Chilean nctzens JSJJS. At that time, back on 2019, all was a BIG mess (There are numerous threads on twt, specially in spanish, where people talked about the situation), the company in charge of holding the SMTOWN in Santiago, NOIX ent. was not reliable (they had a VERY BIG debt) and many people "funaron" (idk a word in english for this thing) on twt for the bad management of concerts (because this was NOT the 1st time they had a bad management and treatment to the audience). At first, in 2019, the dreamies thing was fun, because the people of the airport took pictures of them being held but we had no idea why. Lo tomamos para la chacota la verdad. But when that one tweet went viral, that they almost were detained for not having the work permit, was shocking and all these was fault of the stupid bad management of NOIX ent. Anyways, the chilean fandom and I included took this very lightly and for memes because our country always happens this irrealistic things, somos enteros yetas, and this señor, csm the second hand embarastment for the things he said, he literally treat them like fucking CRIMINALS, "y que en Chile las cosas son de una manera y ellos no pueden llegar y romper nuestras leyes así como así, y aunque sean artistas ellos tienen que seguir las leyes" OMFG this was hilarous and even the Dreamies had know idea what was really going that they even waved to cameras with happy faces JSJSJ. The chapter itself was called "Illegal popstars" so we just laugh at this and took it as a memory that in our country always happens this kind of things JSSJSJ. BTW I'm not saying that this was right but it was never fault of NCT nor SM but NOIX ent. This was very long but I thought I was my time to shine because I know a lot of this things and even went to the SMTOWN in Santiago. PD: I really like your videos and I hope you are doing well, a lot of hugs !!
Thank you for the video, when I suggested it would have need "CONTEXT" I was coming from a very different understanding (or rather lack of understanding) of what a Kpop iceberg video is, I did find the video interesting so thank you for making it!
this is what I've been hesitant to wait on due to the things mentioned in the video at the start, but I'm a bit better in the mentality department. thank you for the warning at the start of the video.
I loved your K-pop Iceberg series and this actually wasn't as bad when I watched Midnight Theories Iceberg cause that was an hour straight and at least yours was split into two parts😅 P.S. I really would like to see a video on DR Music as a company cause just from the history of Rania alone they seem like a very poorly ran company.
for ANS, it just seems like that girl was having a hard time trying to balance school, the pandemic, and a failing group. not only was she trying to balance being an idol and a student, but she had to do it all in a pandemic which had HUGE health and economic repercussions. its already hard of enough for nobody companies to make money, but with covid going around, so many are not going to survive solely because they physically cannot promote because of covid limitations. so for that girl to go through all of this, it just seems like she was going through it and maybe feeling hopeless. she's young, so everything might've just overwhelmed her to the point she couldn't take it.
The s.abuse fuck i am so sad we cant do nothing about it bc their laws are so easy to get rid of if the agressor is a rich man/idols/actors/companies staff/ entertainment mcs
24:04 damn, you learn something new every day ! i had no idea they were from the same company, but i’m not surprised considering the company’s negligence
I ALWAYS get hate when I talk about this on the internet but honestly... I don't know how people have such a hard time even suspecting Seungri. Even after everything that was talked about in this video, from SA, sponsors, the constant sexualisation and some fans will still go miles to defend their idols when ''scandals'' like this come out. It's not unusual for men to abuse their power in pop culture industry (or in any industry at all lbh). I just find it so hard to believe he was not involved at all. I've seen fans go as far as to say they met Seungri once and he was so nice!! So how could he have done this??? I've been a K-pop stan for many many years and it's always hard to swallow when our faves do something horrible. But they do and we must hold them accountable for it.
So from what I’ve found by following the case, Seungri was not involved in the molka. However he HAS admitted to prostitution, which is still a crime in Korea. He’s still a criminal. And that’s not including the alleged tax evasion and such that he’s also admitted to. r/Kpop has a really good megathread breaking down EXACTLY what happened, why he was involved, and what we know about his actual transgressions. Either way, he wasn’t innocent overall, just of recording and sharing hidden camera footage.
@1TZl3Na ME Homie the r/Kpop thread is EXTREMELY well researched, and includes literally dozens of sources if you bothered to read it. It even includes who was accused of what and their statements on the matter. If you’re going to give me “proof” that he didn’t hire prostitutes, maybe HIS (very weak) testimony of “lol why would I want to do that” isn’t the most compelling evidence. Keep going though sweetie you’re almost there follow the light
@1TZl3Na ME Did you ever think there hasn’t been a conviction for him because sex crimes are very underpunished in Korea? Like how one of the TVXQ members was recently found to frequent illegal sex clubs and hasn’t faced any repercussions for it? Or how JJY only got 6 years in prison but has managed to appeal it to get a lower sentence? The fact that he’s been dragged into it for 3 years makes him look terrible because if he were truly innocent of any and all crime whatsoever he’d have been ruled out of the investigation back in the beginning just like multiple other people were 🥰 I also find it funny that you seem to fancy yourself a bigbrain yet can’t seem to use any form of punctuation
@@jihoonscarat i always wanted to ask you, where are from if it's not a secret? because you speak like an american to me but i saw you on twitter speaking on another language, so you are maybe bilingual? either ways, i love the way you build your sentences and your voice is very soothing to listen to. thank you for your hard work again
Thank you 🥺🤭 I’m Always worries about people not understanding me or not liking my voice. And I’m from Iceland, so I speak Icelandic and English. I’ve been learning English for like 15 years and I have a boyfriend who is half American so I’m very used to speaking English 😊
@@jihoonscarat Iceland?????? omfgggg this is soooo cool!!! you are maybe the first person i have encountered on internet that is from Iceland!!!! and nooo, your english is just as perfect as by native speakers and you speak very very understandable. trust me, i'm from uzbekistan and sometimes it's really hard for me to understand what person says if he has a strong accent. your each word is very clear and clean. dang, you are soo cool
the subreddit is so bad and so easy to find. like you could just look up any girl kpop idol name on reddit and the first options will be from those subreddits
It is so sad knowing big or small companies might do spnsring with female idols Even if it is actually intentional to sexual, but just company like they are a trophy
Can we also talk about how uncomfortable some fancams are on socials? everytime i get those recommended to me they make sure to have their whole body in frame to see every suggestive move..
does anyone know what happened to that one boy group where 2 (?) members went missing? I remember that a lot of attention was towards finding them, then suddenly no one was updating the situation? Are they okay? Edit: They're called NewKidd, and allegedly 3 members went missing (depending on who // where you ask) is anyone a fan?
Nancy and this other girl from momoland i forgot who were over sexualized by the company and fans, the fan-cams had inappropriate thumbnails and they didn’t have any safety shorts, they looked uncomfortable when performing.
They can also milk a lot more years of work out of them before they “age out” or being idols that way. Especially Korean males who have to enlist- debuting a guy at 22 when he has to enlist 6 years later will likely give you less money than debuting a guy at 14 when he’s got 14 years till enlisting
Yea it’s a topic that I want to talk about but I have to be careful about the topic as it’s a sensitive one and RUclips has rules and guidelines about videos and monetisation. Plus I can’t say I’m excited to seek out the info and look for sources on the topic lmao. But I’ll add it into my list of video topics
can we talk about how exo is literally the only group who still has those "illegal contracts"???? their total contract is of 10 years which i dont think is legal now. groups who debuted in 2012 or even after 2012 have gone thru atleast one contact period completion and theres exo spending their 9th year with sm like??? they even said theyll have to wait until most of their military enlistment gets over for the contract to be up, which means theyll be spending around 12 years in that company. if sehun n kai dont have to enlist soon, they can probably leave after the 10th year but every member besides yixing will probably have to wait till 2024 or 2025???
@@AGULL what I meant was that since yixing doesn't have to enlist he can leave by 2022 but the korean members would have to wait till 2024 - 2025 since they're gone for upto 1.5 to 2 years
sidenote: if you're speaking about the company that manages bts and txt, they're still called bighit (well, "bighit music" technically). their parent company (formerly called "bighit entertainment") is hybe, and hybe's other subsidiaries include source and pledis. hybe doesn't directly manage any idol groups. so, while saying "bighit, now known as hybe" is *technically* correct, it's only correct if you're talking about the company that owns bighit and not bighit (the company that manages bts and txt) itself. no hate intended! i just wanted to mention it since it confused me a lot at first and having an explanation in the comments could help others understand. ^___^
25:26 - Slave Contracts I hope people would appreciate JYJ more because they sacrificed the peak of their career for idol contracts to be scrutinized, which resulted in the following generations of idols not having to suffer what their generation had. Also, pls take note they are still punished now in S. Korea by SM Ent (though they deny this, ofc) for their actions a decade and some ago. They cannot appear on national broadcasts and are only limited to cable program exposures. Yet, even so, Jaejoong and Junsu's solo careers are doing fantastic and they are well respected by their colleagues in the industry.
29:53 I really wasn't expecting my country to be in this iceberg, especially because it didn't have to do with Noix Entertainment (the show producers that brought SM to our country). The show of SM Entertainment was problematic for many reasons: terrible security, the staff didn't respect the price of the tickets, the stage was terrible and you could barely see the members, an "influencer" got videos of the Korean staff without permission, deffective lightsticks that couldn't be returned, etc. The company also manages W24 in Chile, and they haven't promoted them like they should have.
To be honest when it comes to Big Hit & Dispatch I'd say that Dispatch could also face political pressure to "keep BTS clean" IF anything has or had came out. BTS is a substantial portion of "Korea's face".
Sexualization is ok if it’s actually what an idol intended/is ok with themselves and to be honest the act of being sexually attracted towards idols is also normal just due to our human nature but literally 9/10 times it’s a company who’s forcing those idols to display themselves in that manner. Also, the sexualization of children and idols who are not even official adults yet is just downright disgusting and atrocious. Seriously, there is definitely a major case of pedophilia and sexual harassment in the K-Pop industry, and to add onto that South Korea’s justice system is also atrocious seeing how a pedophile/rapist can get off easy with 3-5 years. Major yikes... I doubt anything will change, idols are a lot more expressive and out-spoken these days which is a good thing but I’m sure there is still a lot that is unspoken of. There will always be shady things going on in any music industry regardless of the country.
First of all, does child labor laws exist in Korea? Second, what the hell is with these creepy old men sexualizing children? God this is so creepy when you can be sure shady things happen in the background.
I’m not super educated about child labour laws in Korea but from what I understand there is no law banning kids from “working” as an idol. There are certain limits as to how long they can work but of course I don’t think that counts all the training they need to do in between schedules. It’s a very grey area. And yea sadly older fans sexualising young idol is a ve serious issue that should be taken more seriously.
btw lee gais compony knew her age since they were the ones who managed her the other 3 times she debuted so they knew her age and were ones who lied to make her fit the other members ages
I think Soul & Jongseob of P1Harmony were also only like 14 when they debuted. They’re amazing but way too young. I think idols should at least be 18 to be able to debut. These kids shouldn’t have to feel the amount of pressure
Well I explain in the first part that the iceberg is about dark stuff in KPOP, and that the lower you go the worse it gets. It’s not like some other videos where it’s like the most known is at the top and so on. I also think even tho fans know dieting is a thing in kpop, not all realise how serious it is
Yea exactly. Like the lower you do the more serious it gets basically. Cause it was hard to rank based on what other fans might know since it really depends on the person you know ?
Timestamps (bc I literally respect you sm for making a ONE HOUR LONG pt.2 of this series and I love your content sm):
*Tier Five*
1:52 - Mark / Haechan Summer Fight
3:45 - Tablo Stanford Scandal
5:58 - Coming of Age Ceremony
8:09 - Kid Idols
10:15 - Lee Soo Man Criminal History
11:51 - ANS disbandment
*Tier Six*
20:57 - Lovelyz Ji Soo Lesbian Scandal
22:52 - Baby Vox Lee Gai
24:13 - Weight and Diets
25:26 - Slave Contracts
28:15 - TS Entertainment
*Tier Seven*
29:53 - NCT Dream Detained
30:44 - Big Hit & Dispatch
32:17 - Ladies Code Kiss Kiss M/V
34:33 - Jay Park Got Hyuna Pregnant
38:58 - Zico and the Golden Phone
*Tier Eight*
39:46 - The 4Minute Concert Disaster
40:34 - Idol Abuse
42:30 - Sexualizing Idols
48:36 - Sponsors
53:54 - The Burning Sun & The Kakao M Chatrooms
59:17 - Bigbang Seung Ri
thank you so much!
@@jihoonscarat :)))
36:44 Hyuna Babe Theory
Depression and suic*de should be included in the Tier 7-8 list. While this is a very sensitive topic, if you want to do a kpop iceberg video, I think these topics should be covered as well.
i’m yes
"Coming of Age Ceremony was produced by JYP" AH many things fall into place now.
You are soo right obviously you can't judge a book by it's cover but, he just seems like creep to me.
@@bingybingy2592 he is 💀 look into it
@@bingybingy2592 allegedly I think he sent wonder girls to R. Kelly‘s house when he was trying to make them go into the international market so 😬
@@Mimi-ef4mt Oooo burn, that's harsh but, wouldn't put it past him!
Cheers
@@Mimi-ef4mt R. Kelly??? wtfff that's not okay....
Park Bom fairly recently came out to say that she never actually went on a watermelon diet. She was was encouraged by a physical trainer to replace refined carbs with watermelon. It was misreported at the time and has become a popular myth in kpop!
video 1: uwu kpop fans are a little weird and sometimes dangerous
video 2: HALF THE INDUSTRY DESERVES JAIL TIME
Why am I not surprised that JYP wrote Adult Ceremony... that man cannot be trusted and reeks of shifty things and I'm honestly scared because he works with so many young women in kpop. Not only does he work with them, we know he treats them differently from the male idols under his company (got7 on knowing bros) and also because we know he attempts to keep a 'closer' connection with his idols (at least in a public sphere) than most other ceos (that we know of). I'm honestly scared for his idols.
the sexualization of minors and idols in general bothers me so much. i feel so sick about hyuna. for the longest time, she got labeled with this certain image due to her debut when she was a LITERAL CHILD (i teach middle school/9th grade and imagining those comments about my students j use makes me uncomfortable and sick to my stomach) and everyone had it set in their minds that she was going to be this sex icon. when you watch her and see her personality, she liked to show off different sides of herself and dresses so eclectically. while she was in cube, she didn’t really look like she enjoyed the concept of herself until much later. it’s only recently that she looks truly happy because PNation allows her to be free. the idea that you’re forced to be a certain way to be liked just bothers me. no individuality. you’re a product that is sold and purchased. that’s it. you’re profitable. you’re an object.
Can you talk about forgotten kpop scandals and controversies? I think they can be pretty interesting to talk about.
Kpop fans need to be more aware of the reddit pages that sexualize Kpop idols like r/kpopfap and r/kpoptributes, it's non consensual and so disgusting
I completely agree. I get people think this way, that can’t be changed but this is so easy to find and way to open for random people to find. I think people can have fantasies but then forget these are real people who go online and can see this stuff
That sub-reddit is filled with borderline pedophiles. People asking for idols in school uniforms or other childlike clothing isn't rare. It's soooo disgusting.
I am an reddit user but I was really disgusted by that. Now I stay on the classical music side of it
it’s so disgusting i rememeber being a hardcore oh my girl fan a few years ago and there were so many of arin, which is even more disgusting because she was a literal minor. it’s so gross😞
At about 44:00 you say that a fan was filming up the skirts of Nine Muses during a performance, this is actually false as the man who filmed up their skirts wasn't a fan but was a cameraman that was hired for the event, if you look at the whole clip you can see that Hyuna notices that they are being filmed up their skirts as she turns towards the screen behidn them and sees the video on the screen, you also mentioned that she told staff behind stage, but what she actually did was tell the other members about the fact that they were being filmed up their skirts. This is also why she personally told the man to stop filming up their skirts. Had she not seen the screen where the footage was shown she wouldn't have even known about it.
Thank you. I don’t speak Korean so I didn’t understand all the info and the info I could find said it was a fan. Thank you so much
@@jihoonscarat Yeah, I have seen that misinformation being spread a lot, especially recently. I myself only know because I did a lot of research on it as Nine Muses is one of my favourite groups so I knew where to find reliable information.
I appreciate you letting me know. I like the girls a lot but sadly didn’t know where to looks I really appreciate people like you for being nice when correcting information
@@jihoonscarat It's no problem, it's really hard to find correct information when most sources get it wrong because they follow one wrong source. I really enjoy your content and so it felt important to tell you when you got something wrong.
Love the video btw!
Guys we’re getting fed well 😌
Not gonna lie, I thought this was like another “ dark side of kpop” “don’t trust or like big idols” type thing but I am pleasantly surprised that it’s actually pretty factual and not like drama starty, does that even make sense? Idk but I enjoyed the vid
Thank you. I totally understand what you mean ❤️ I’m glad you enjoyed it
Kdramas world is full of scandals too I wish someone did an iceberg
Weki meki fancam I know that's right
PINKFANTASY I KNOW THATS RIGHT
Weki Meki 😩
Was waiting for this !! So excited !!
Baby V.O.X's campany is DR Music... I think that's all we need to know dskdshdsdsdsf
But ngl, the situations DR Music gets themselves into are so entertaining to watch lol, like I thought BlackSwan was going to continue as a four member group and have a comeback in April... but it's DR so they will:
- never mention why the comeback didn't happen, after the month ended, they'll announce they are holding auditions and want to add a LUMINA to the group.
I saw a comment somewhere else that said "DR Music paved the way to line up changes" and it blew my mind how accurate it describes the company
AH! I watched the first part like, 2 days ago and kept waiting and thinking when the next part was going to came up, this was such a surprise, do fast! omg
imagine having all of the pressure of being an idol while being a kid that’s so fucked up like older idols must barely be holding on, plus there are so many creeps out there why would you want to expose your child to that?
Momo (if i'm not mistaken) was told to lose 10-15 lbs in 1 week or not debut. She ate 1 ice cube per day and poor girl prayed to die by morning. Although she lost a lot of weight, it was not enough. She was, however, given a slight extension and still debut. Stuff of horror.
The sexualisation part reminds me of Sistar and their live performance of So Cool when they were in tiny pink dresses with no undershorts, and Hyorin was almost constantly holding her dress down, poor thing looked so uncomfortable.
Thank you for speaking so respectfully about Ladies code
I've been obsessed with all your videos, thanks for giving us such high quality content 😻
I enjoyed part 1 and 2 so much😌thank you so much for touching on these topics in kpop. I personally enjoy watching your videos. You voice is so soothing to listen to and I just love your channel❤️❤️
I’m glad you enjoyed it ❤️ and thank you that means a lot to me 🥺🥺
Finally part two ❤️
just got my lunch break and opened youtube to this yesss 🙏
Ohh enjoy your break and the video 😊
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS YESSS
SAME
with tablo, the harassment got so bad that his family was getting harassed as well. it’s messed up what happened to tablo and really fucked with his career for years.
OMGGG!!! If you think kid groups (as a concept) are creepy, check out COCO and their song "Be Quiet"... I am NOT sure what their company is thinking when they conceptualized the song, but... (also the members were like 11-14 t/o, if I'm not mistaken)
ALSO kid groups changed their members, as often as I change my personalities. It's kinda impressive ngl, most of them have more line-up changes than BaBa!
I miss BaBa, i liked the song Be Quiet but not the concept. It was very suspicious to be honest.
Kid idol groups just seem really sus in general.
Thank you for making these two videos, they were very educational. It’s sad to think that this is the only stuff we know about. Imagine how much is unknown ;(
weird fact:
ji-yoon was 19 korean age when coming of age ceremony was released, you come of age at 20 in korea.
You legally have to be 19 in your real age. If you’re talking about the New Year’s birthdate people sometimes go bye, it’s still 19 for most people. But for people born during the later end of a year, that age for them will be 20.
I think you´re getting confused because of Korean age and international age.
you literally have the best fancams ever omfg stan purplebeck
It’s a crime not to. Those who don’t are missing out
@@jihoonscarat thisss!! anyways PINKFANTASY COMEBACK AYY
I am really dying for you to review White: Melody of a Curse and relate it to the dark side of Kpop industry 😭😭
YOOOO LITERALLY YESTERDAY I WAS WATCHING CONSPIRACY ICEBERGS AND WAS LIKE “omg someone should do one for kpop” AND THEN THIS POPS UP IN MY RECOMMENDED
I’d also like to add that in the Radio Star interview in which Zico mentioned the “Golden phone”, JJY looked visibly uncomfortable when the phone was brought up and tried to steer the conversation away rather quickly.
Zico is many things, but he isn’t stupid. Far from it. He’s actually really smart. Him being involved and mentioning JJY’s phone in such a context would be so out of character for him because that would’ve been just about the stupidest thing he could’ve possibly done. And I’ll put it this way- him mentioning that Contact Phone is probably what absolves him most (in my eyes at least). If he was involved, believe you me, we wouldn’t have heard about it. He would’ve taken special care to not mention that phone, or to draw any sort of attention to JJY’s phones at all. That’s what the people who were actually involved did- they literally just never spoke of JJY in such ways. Examples being the member of FT Island and the member of CNBLUE that were involved, as well as the other people in the chatroom.
Zico was also never even mentioned by the police and though he was looked into due to this interview, was never brought in for questioning because the police never found any proof of contact between him and JJY in the Kakao chatrooms. AFAIK they actually stopped associating with each other a bit before Burning Sun broke, too. Zico’s someone who’s friends with everyone- Hyuna and Jessi being two that come to mind, as well as Hwasa, Penemoco, Dean, Crush, the list goes on. JJY was just one of those many, many friends. And considering unlike JJY and others involved, Zico’s never actually had any inappropriate conduct allegations brought against him, I personally have a hard time believing he was involved.
So, thank you for properly representing the facts of the situation rather than just jumping on the Zico Hate Train. I really appreciate the attention to detail and research that you put into your videos.
For those who want a super detailed timeline and description of everything that went on in Burning Sun, r/Kpop has a REALLY good breakdown of it and every person who was even tangentially related (via being in active contact with JJY at the time).
Thank you so so much for explaining it so well.
Yay!!!!! I was literally waiting til the day that this would be posted!! 😁
OMG I'm Chilean and the Dreamies almost being detained will always be remembered by Chilean nctzens JSJJS. At that time, back on 2019, all was a BIG mess (There are numerous threads on twt, specially in spanish, where people talked about the situation), the company in charge of holding the SMTOWN in Santiago, NOIX ent. was not reliable (they had a VERY BIG debt) and many people "funaron" (idk a word in english for this thing) on twt for the bad management of concerts (because this was NOT the 1st time they had a bad management and treatment to the audience).
At first, in 2019, the dreamies thing was fun, because the people of the airport took pictures of them being held but we had no idea why. Lo tomamos para la chacota la verdad. But when that one tweet went viral, that they almost were detained for not having the work permit, was shocking and all these was fault of the stupid bad management of NOIX ent.
Anyways, the chilean fandom and I included took this very lightly and for memes because our country always happens this irrealistic things, somos enteros yetas, and this señor, csm the second hand embarastment for the things he said, he literally treat them like fucking CRIMINALS, "y que en Chile las cosas son de una manera y ellos no pueden llegar y romper nuestras leyes así como así, y aunque sean artistas ellos tienen que seguir las leyes" OMFG this was hilarous and even the Dreamies had know idea what was really going that they even waved to cameras with happy faces JSJSJ. The chapter itself was called "Illegal popstars" so we just laugh at this and took it as a memory that in our country always happens this kind of things JSSJSJ.
BTW I'm not saying that this was right but it was never fault of NCT nor SM but NOIX ent. This was very long but I thought I was my time to shine because I know a lot of this things and even went to the SMTOWN in Santiago. PD: I really like your videos and I hope you are doing well, a lot of hugs !!
Thank you for the video, when I suggested it would have need "CONTEXT" I was coming from a very different understanding (or rather lack of understanding) of what a Kpop iceberg video is, I did find the video interesting so thank you for making it!
Yessss! The queen has uploaded!
this is what I've been hesitant to wait on due to the things mentioned in the video at the start, but I'm a bit better in the mentality department. thank you for the warning at the start of the video.
damn I binged watched most of your videos and they're so good and informative! thank u for giving us this type of content almost no one talks about
I loved your K-pop Iceberg series and this actually wasn't as bad when I watched Midnight Theories Iceberg cause that was an hour straight and at least yours was split into two parts😅 P.S. I really would like to see a video on DR Music as a company cause just from the history of Rania alone they seem like a very poorly ran company.
Yeah technically I think ploopy video talked about the history of blackswan & about DR music a bit
for ANS, it just seems like that girl was having a hard time trying to balance school, the pandemic, and a failing group. not only was she trying to balance being an idol and a student, but she had to do it all in a pandemic which had HUGE health and economic repercussions. its already hard of enough for nobody companies to make money, but with covid going around, so many are not going to survive solely because they physically cannot promote because of covid limitations.
so for that girl to go through all of this, it just seems like she was going through it and maybe feeling hopeless. she's young, so everything might've just overwhelmed her to the point she couldn't take it.
The s.abuse fuck i am so sad we cant do nothing about it bc their laws are so easy to get rid of if the agressor is a rich man/idols/actors/companies staff/ entertainment mcs
24:04 damn, you learn something new every day ! i had no idea they were from the same company, but i’m not surprised considering the company’s negligence
There are literal open twt accounts and sites making deep fakes of kpop idols and minors. We need to talk more about that subject..
I ALWAYS get hate when I talk about this on the internet but honestly... I don't know how people have such a hard time even suspecting Seungri. Even after everything that was talked about in this video, from SA, sponsors, the constant sexualisation and some fans will still go miles to defend their idols when ''scandals'' like this come out. It's not unusual for men to abuse their power in pop culture industry (or in any industry at all lbh). I just find it so hard to believe he was not involved at all. I've seen fans go as far as to say they met Seungri once and he was so nice!! So how could he have done this???
I've been a K-pop stan for many many years and it's always hard to swallow when our faves do something horrible. But they do and we must hold them accountable for it.
@itzlena me I just fins it hars to believe he was not aware of anything at all, and that makes him complicit
So from what I’ve found by following the case, Seungri was not involved in the molka. However he HAS admitted to prostitution, which is still a crime in Korea. He’s still a criminal. And that’s not including the alleged tax evasion and such that he’s also admitted to. r/Kpop has a really good megathread breaking down EXACTLY what happened, why he was involved, and what we know about his actual transgressions. Either way, he wasn’t innocent overall, just of recording and sharing hidden camera footage.
@1TZl3Na ME Homie the r/Kpop thread is EXTREMELY well researched, and includes literally dozens of sources if you bothered to read it. It even includes who was accused of what and their statements on the matter. If you’re going to give me “proof” that he didn’t hire prostitutes, maybe HIS (very weak) testimony of “lol why would I want to do that” isn’t the most compelling evidence. Keep going though sweetie you’re almost there follow the light
@1TZl3Na ME Did you ever think there hasn’t been a conviction for him because sex crimes are very underpunished in Korea? Like how one of the TVXQ members was recently found to frequent illegal sex clubs and hasn’t faced any repercussions for it? Or how JJY only got 6 years in prison but has managed to appeal it to get a lower sentence? The fact that he’s been dragged into it for 3 years makes him look terrible because if he were truly innocent of any and all crime whatsoever he’d have been ruled out of the investigation back in the beginning just like multiple other people were 🥰
I also find it funny that you seem to fancy yourself a bigbrain yet can’t seem to use any form of punctuation
your videos are so interesting and addictive
Dude, I like your voice and accent.
awh thank you so much !
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@@jihoonscarat i always wanted to ask you, where are from if it's not a secret? because you speak like an american to me but i saw you on twitter speaking on another language, so you are maybe bilingual? either ways, i love the way you build your sentences and your voice is very soothing to listen to. thank you for your hard work again
Thank you 🥺🤭 I’m
Always worries about people not understanding me or not liking my voice. And I’m from Iceland, so I speak Icelandic and English. I’ve been learning English for like 15 years and I have a boyfriend who is half American so I’m very used to speaking English 😊
@@jihoonscarat Iceland?????? omfgggg this is soooo cool!!! you are maybe the first person i have encountered on internet that is from Iceland!!!! and nooo, your english is just as perfect as by native speakers and you speak very very understandable. trust me, i'm from uzbekistan and sometimes it's really hard for me to understand what person says if he has a strong accent. your each word is very clear and clean. dang, you are soo cool
I WAS WAITING FOR THIS!!! I’m so excited!!
Thank you so much!!! Your research is sooo good!
Thank you I try my best
finally part two!!! lezzzgooooooouuurrrrr
i love your videos so much! they're always interesting and informative
the jisoo scandal is so messy i'm glad my bestie is doing better now
ANS and Majors deserve better
the subreddit is so bad and so easy to find. like you could just look up any girl kpop idol name on reddit and the first options will be from those subreddits
It is so sad knowing big or small companies might do spnsring with female idols
Even if it is actually intentional to sexual, but just company like they are a trophy
Can we also talk about how uncomfortable some fancams are on socials? everytime i get those recommended to me they make sure to have their whole body in frame to see every suggestive move..
Ladies Code 💔
These were a fun couple of videos. Great work
People harassed Tablo and his family over this and Woollim didn't protect them. Woollim has a long history of mistreating their own.
THANK YOU SO MUCH IM SO EXCITED
Why's mark and haechan summer fight so low,, i feel like every dreamzen knows about that whole thing hshhshsj
Well that doesn’t mean every KPOP fan knows about it just because the groups fans know 😊🤷♀️ plus that’s where it was on the original iceberg
does anyone know what happened to that one boy group where 2 (?) members went missing? I remember that a lot of attention was towards finding them, then suddenly no one was updating the situation? Are they okay?
Edit: They're called NewKidd, and allegedly 3 members went missing (depending on who // where you ask) is anyone a fan?
Yeah nothing has been updated to this day. And I only looked this up because I saw your comment. This is crazy and obviously not okay.
An hour? Sheesh ! We’re spoiled !
Nancy and this other girl from momoland i forgot who were over sexualized by the company and fans, the fan-cams had inappropriate thumbnails and they didn’t have any safety shorts, they looked uncomfortable when performing.
I think the reason why they are debuting idols young is bc youthfulness and purity is a thing there. (Korea and Japan)
They can also milk a lot more years of work out of them before they “age out” or being idols that way. Especially Korean males who have to enlist- debuting a guy at 22 when he has to enlist 6 years later will likely give you less money than debuting a guy at 14 when he’s got 14 years till enlisting
Thats gross
Yeah it’s pretty freaking weird. Like. 😐
And brainwash them
Oh my god I feel so bad for ANS
Debut at 6 is so gross. I found it hard finding a job at 14. I couldn't land a serious one till at least 16.
Feeling bad for kpop idols used in debt
I never see anyone talking about deepfakes of female kpop idols (mostly Twice) on porn websites that are way too easy to find. It's disturbing.
Yea it’s a topic that I want to talk about but I have to be careful about the topic as it’s a sensitive one and RUclips has rules and guidelines about videos and monetisation. Plus I can’t say I’m excited to seek out the info and look for sources on the topic lmao. But I’ll add it into my list of video topics
can we talk about how exo is literally the only group who still has those "illegal contracts"???? their total contract is of 10 years which i dont think is legal now. groups who debuted in 2012 or even after 2012 have gone thru atleast one contact period completion and theres exo spending their 9th year with sm like??? they even said theyll have to wait until most of their military enlistment gets over for the contract to be up, which means theyll be spending around 12 years in that company. if sehun n kai dont have to enlist soon, they can probably leave after the 10th year but every member besides yixing will probably have to wait till 2024 or 2025???
Lay left
@@AGULL lay left sm after 10 years(2012--2022). So idk what point you're tryna make
@@byeoldhuh9834 i thought y were saying if they wait for lay they need to wait till 2025
@@AGULL what I meant was that since yixing doesn't have to enlist he can leave by 2022 but the korean members would have to wait till 2024 - 2025 since they're gone for upto 1.5 to 2 years
Sponsor is just a fancy word for sugar daddy men will not give you anything without expecting something in return.
Kids can work in the entertainment industry I'm every country but there are some restrictions and parental consent for that to happen
Thank you for these videos ❤️
It’s sad because I also found one of those sexualized subreddits on accident too.
Can they not get reported?
When I think coming of age ceremony, I think of that one jimin and jungkook cover
1 HOUR 2 MINUTES AND 42 SECONDS?! yeah i’m gon save this for tomorrow so i can eat all the food i want w it 😩😩
The English lyrics of Coming of Age Ceremony sound like a bad fanfic
YASSS I WAS WAITING FOR THIS
sidenote: if you're speaking about the company that manages bts and txt, they're still called bighit (well, "bighit music" technically). their parent company (formerly called "bighit entertainment") is hybe, and hybe's other subsidiaries include source and pledis. hybe doesn't directly manage any idol groups. so, while saying "bighit, now known as hybe" is *technically* correct, it's only correct if you're talking about the company that owns bighit and not bighit (the company that manages bts and txt) itself.
no hate intended! i just wanted to mention it since it confused me a lot at first and having an explanation in the comments could help others understand. ^___^
25:26 - Slave Contracts
I hope people would appreciate JYJ more because they sacrificed the peak of their career for idol contracts to be scrutinized, which resulted in the following generations of idols not having to suffer what their generation had. Also, pls take note they are still punished now in S. Korea by SM Ent (though they deny this, ofc) for their actions a decade and some ago. They cannot appear on national broadcasts and are only limited to cable program exposures. Yet, even so, Jaejoong and Junsu's solo careers are doing fantastic and they are well respected by their colleagues in the industry.
29:53 I really wasn't expecting my country to be in this iceberg, especially because it didn't have to do with Noix Entertainment (the show producers that brought SM to our country). The show of SM Entertainment was problematic for many reasons: terrible security, the staff didn't respect the price of the tickets, the stage was terrible and you could barely see the members, an "influencer" got videos of the Korean staff without permission, deffective lightsticks that couldn't be returned, etc. The company also manages W24 in Chile, and they haven't promoted them like they should have.
To be honest when it comes to Big Hit & Dispatch I'd say that Dispatch could also face political pressure to "keep BTS clean" IF anything has or had came out. BTS is a substantial portion of "Korea's face".
Sexualization is ok if it’s actually what an idol intended/is ok with themselves and to be honest the act of being sexually attracted towards idols is also normal just due to our human nature but literally 9/10 times it’s a company who’s forcing those idols to display themselves in that manner. Also, the sexualization of children and idols who are not even official adults yet is just downright disgusting and atrocious. Seriously, there is definitely a major case of pedophilia and sexual harassment in the K-Pop industry, and to add onto that South Korea’s justice system is also atrocious seeing how a pedophile/rapist can get off easy with 3-5 years. Major yikes... I doubt anything will change, idols are a lot more expressive and out-spoken these days which is a good thing but I’m sure there is still a lot that is unspoken of. There will always be shady things going on in any music industry regardless of the country.
just fyi, ladies code's rise is pronounced ree-seh!
I'm Ready To Be K-Pop Icebergified.
Thank god coming of age stopped being a mandatory thing for all female idols
Rip Eunb & Rise 💕
thank you for sharing your knowledge :)
More LSM stuff came out this week 🙃
I saw 👀 I’m not surprised anymore lmao
Thanks for all the hard work on this. Very informative albeit disturbing.
First of all, does child labor laws exist in Korea? Second, what the hell is with these creepy old men sexualizing children? God this is so creepy when you can be sure shady things happen in the background.
I’m not super educated about child labour laws in Korea but from what I understand there is no law banning kids from “working” as an idol. There are certain limits as to how long they can work but of course I don’t think that counts all the training they need to do in between schedules. It’s a very grey area. And yea sadly older fans sexualising young idol is a ve serious issue that should be taken more seriously.
When you sighed at 30 mins...I felt that
Not sure if I'm disgusted, sad, angry or all three 😧
btw lee gais compony knew her age since they were the ones who managed her the other 3 times she debuted so they knew her age and were ones who lied to make her fit the other members ages
The kid idol thing reminds me of sakura gakuin from Japan
I think Soul & Jongseob of P1Harmony were also only like 14 when they debuted. They’re amazing but way too young. I think idols should at least be 18 to be able to debut. These kids shouldn’t have to feel the amount of pressure
at this point half of the industry s sketchy
Well we're gonna kmow the reason of mark and haechan's fight after I think 10 yrs. And we'll just laugh it out just like SuJu. Lol
Not sure why dieting is so low on the iceberg when even non kpop fans know about things like these?
Well I explain in the first part that the iceberg is about dark stuff in KPOP, and that the lower you go the worse it gets. It’s not like some other videos where it’s like the most known is at the top and so on. I also think even tho fans know dieting is a thing in kpop, not all realise how serious it is
@@jihoonscarat ahh, so it's basically like a tier list and the lowest the most perturbating?
Yea exactly. Like the lower you do the more serious it gets basically. Cause it was hard to rank based on what other fans might know since it really depends on the person you know ?
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