Diane is tired of squinting (SPOILERS:Bojack Horseman - Season 4)
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Second to last scene from the last episode of season 4 of Bojack Horseman A Netflix Original series I couldn't recommend enough.
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What I love about the portrayal of their relationship is that they love each other and they like each other, but they fundamentally can't *understand* each other. And, in the end, love isn't enough.
My last relationship
also neither really were ready for the relationship. Especially with Mister PB making everything about himself and just not understanding his issues in every relationship he's been in
I don’t need this right now bru
Love is more than enough, Mr peanut Butter is naive and Diane is very proud that it was the problem. It's been times where both of them have completely disregarded each other's emotions to prove a point to themselves. Hopefully the breakup helped them grow as individuals.
"Do you know how much it costs to buy 500 fake books?"
Wow, so even if she had liked it at first, that would have killed it
True... like damn 500 FAKE books..?!
Yeah...
What hurts most is that, THEY'RE ALL FAKE 😤
On the other hand, PB is rich enough that he could easily get the real thing if she ever got tired of the fake.
It would have been way easier to leave the shelves empty, she would have loved it
When she says "I'm so tierd of squinting" while crying you can really feel how much pain her chararter feels. Diane's voice actress is very talented. The voice acting in this show is overall amazing
Alison Brie is queen
I wish she didn't feel sorry for voicing Diane
@@shakeymistakey3881 ??
@@danisooyaa Alison Brie is a white Jewish woman and Diane is Vietnamese and she said that the role should’ve been given to an actual Vietnamese woman
What is squinting? I mean in this context what she really meant?
I didn't really register this until somebody pointed it out to me… but he bought fake books. The whole *point* of the library scene in Beauty and the Beast is that she loved reading and never had enough books, and he *knew* that, and so he gave her all the books she could want. And Diane is a writer- she likes books!
I'm not saying that she wouldn't have reacted badly if he'd done it with real books as well, but the fact that he didn't even realise why she wanted it… I'm not saying I hate PB, but I can't blame Diane here.
You got it! Why do most people not get it?!
@@nothingposted9056 because all they see is the grand gesture… just like PB. It’s like when I asked my boyfriend if he could make me breakfast when I was sick… and he started complaining about all the things he does for me. How he’s tired and isn’t it good enough he just took me to New Orleans? In reality although I appreciated the trip and it was lovely… I really just needed someone to take care of me when I was sick. But I was a villain for wanting what I wanted…. No… needing to be understood and taken care of. 😞
@@nothingposted9056 because he could have replaced those books with real ones later I guess.. or diane could do it? .I don't understand how everyone blames PB for grand gestures since that is literally his personality and unlike diane he hasn't changed himself to fit in .so diane knew he,was this,and I guess outgrew him
Why I would be happy if some gave me a library..why does everything have to offending and overanalyzed nowadays.
Humans.
@@ellionsave349 I will give you an iPad... 's outer shell without any of the inside
@@nothingposted9056 hey shithead. Here's a though
Maybe not all of us relate to Diane and hate peanitbutter .it's my perspective. Also it's not the same . PB clearly bought a whole library which is functional just with fake books. It's good since Diane can actually fill it up with real books. The issue here isn't the library it's their clashing personalities .that's all .
Yes and u might use that iPad cover yo whack some sense into yourself.
If you're in a relationship and you relate to Diane when she says "I'm so tired of squinting" then please break up with your couple
It's hard to be in a relationship with someone like Diane. I feel for her but at the same time, I wouldn't want to be with someone like her.
@@MoonLoonie69 yeah, in this situation im very much like diane and my ex was sort of like mr pb. we broke it off a week ago, and i knew itd happen eventually. it hurts but diane and pb’s relationship is so important because it truly does show that love isnt always enough, you MUST be compatible.
@@MoonLoonie69 I'd like to see either of you live with Mr. PeanutButter. You wouldn't last a month. You clearly aren't putting yourself in her shoes. Then again I haven't watched the entire show and don't get why people hate Diane. I dislike that she's kinda preachy but she's completely right. Life isn't a sitcom, if your spouse makes grand gestures all the time, it'll make you leave. PB needs to change and be a normal person. But he's a dog and idk if all dog people are like that because his brother isn't completely. Sometimes people want something all to themselves, it's selfish but they don't really want it.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 lol jokes on you, I'm in a relationship with someone like MPB. While my man doesn't do grand gestures too many times, it's the thought that counts. And coming from neglect and an abusive home, it's a very loving and nice touch from someone who may love you too much. But it's better than being with a jealous ex.
@@MoonLoonie69 with him its not even that because SHE CONSTANTLY SAID SHE DIDNT LIKE BIG GESTURES and he still went on and did whatever he wanted and never actually listened or thought abt what she wanted
Right everyone is going to criticise Diane for how she reacted here but I don't think either one of them is at fault and I'm going to explain why.
Mr Peanutbutter and Diane have been married for a few years now, and we've seen it has not gone well. However, EVERY time Mr. Peanutbutter makes a big gesture like this, she reacts badly and tells him she doesn't like big gestures. She has told him over and over again that she doesn't like it yet he still does it. It also overlaps with the idea of Diane's entire mentality that she explained all the way back in season 1 and 2 - she says if you spend the whole time chasing something, then you get it, then you feel nothing.
She didn't want the library because it was just that, something she could dream about, something that filled her day with hope and helped her through her struggle. Yet here we are, her dream is real, it's not her's anymore, it's happened and now she's filled with emptiness. Mr. Peanutbutter should have known but didn't think about it, because that's who he is. He believes in big gestures of love and appreciation.
Mr. Peanutbutter and Diane are two good people who love each other but are fundamentally incompatible. And that's why it's so tragic.
Bewan couldn't put it better myself
Bewan Also Mr. Peanutbutter gave her an actual Bell-room(disneylike). I think,if he gave her a Bibliothek with her favorit books,she would at least liked the room,even if she would noz have liked the gesture. But this room also shows that Mr. P. didnt even got the concept of the thing she was talking about.
@Bewan
Honestly I don't get why certain people are ragging so much on Diane's behavior. Now to be fair this show does portray its main cast in a variety of ways challenging the viewer to be like "How much longer can I like or tolerate this character's behavior?'.If those said others can't stand Diane that's fine they don't have to like her of course.However I'm in the area of those who sympathize with Diane despite how stubborn/selfish she can be in her own right.The show has gone out of its way not only in the other previous seasons to show how much Bojack and herself are similar in unhappy self-destructive behavior aspects but especially here in season 4 where Peanutbutter and Diane's marriage is ripping itself apart from the inside out.
Peanutbutter and Diane were both symbolically committing what Bojack has done many times in the past with using sex to mask their deep-troubling issues like this won't make their marriage feel so empty anymore just as Bojack had MANY one night stands with women to feel "loved" as if it would take away his deep depression.
Diane finally admitting how tired of squinting through all the crap their marriage has given them both emotionally and seeing Mr. Peanutbutter's sad look of realization knowing what they're both going to have to do next I felt my heart slowly tearing itself up inside given how hard they've been working to keep this marriage afloat even though it has been built up like crazy for this punchline to occur finally.Sadly the time for their divorce has come I feel.
Bojack's line in season 2 "Maybe she left to get away from her awful marriage." has an ironic tune to it in general reflecting on Mr. P's and Diane's marriage throughout the series.While the statement Bojack said may have been obviously uncalled for in a number of areas considering they did love each other genuinely and weren't poisonous towards each other until season 4 reared its ugly head I gotta say on some level Bojack had a point.
Bewan Relationships in general are hard. In fact, a majority of them are trsgic.
Bewan this is so sad
The worst thing about this, for me, is that Mr PB probably thought that this was nothing like the previous gestures he'd done, because it was something that was important to Diane, something she'd held close to her for years. In a way, he probably thought it would make up for all of the over the top surprises he'd put together for her
Exactly, the other things Mr. PB did were things HE would enjoy (besides that day doing things he knew Dianne enjoyed, until he did the surprise party which she really didn't like), and didn't really consider if Dianne would like them or not. This he went out of his way to do for HER, knowing it was always her dream to have and that it was important to her. Far as he knew this is exactly what she dreamed to have one day, so he had no way her reaction to getting what she always wanted would be anything but positive.
She has been telling him since the first season that she dislikes big gestures, she has told him the same thing over and over again. He had a way of knowing, but MPB is incapable of listening to others, he just hears what he wants to hear and ignores it if it goes against what he wants (see: almost every single interaction between Bojack and him).
@@PlanetZoidstar and yet he filled it with fake books LOL
@@PlanetZoidstar He did do it for him. He says it right in this video : he didn't do it to make her happy, he did it because he wanted her to stay with him because otherwise he felt shitty. And filling it with fake books is the worst, it means he doesn't even understand what's appealing for her in a ball room.
I am not saying that he's the only one at fault, she should have participated in choosing and furnishing the house instead of telling him that it didn't matter.
They're just too different to be happy together.
I think PB always had his own "Mr Peanutbutter" way of doing things for Diane even though they always missed the mark bad. Like for her surprise party when he turned the office into a ballpit because Diane always wanted a "ballroom". Of course that doesn't trump the fact that she doesn't like big parties and grand gestures (or that he got the wrong type of ballroom)
I think this Bojack quote from season five sums up what Mr. Peanutbutter did wrong in this relationship, particularly season four:
“And in TV, flawed characters are constantly showing people they care with these surprising grand gestures. And I think that part of me still believes that's what love is. But in real life, the big gesture isn't enough. You need to be consistent, you need to be dependably good.”
Mr. Peanutbutter can get Diane all of the fancy belle rooms in the world, but he consistently ignored her when he ran for governor just because he wanted more people to like him. The grand gesture isn’t an instant fix, especially when your wife hates grand gestures.
holy shit i didn't realize
@@y.9645 yeah that's super on the nose. i bet the writers intended it too. everything is intentional with this show.
The thing PB said about his ex wives really hits me because it made his character make a lot more sense.
I always thought that PB was the problem in those two marriages, because he fell in love too fast with anyone and they left him because they couldn't take everything he does the way Diane did. But it seems that his first wife was an obsessive and manipulative person, and the second was kinda abusive and didn’t care that much about what PB wanted (at least that's what i get from that flashback episode where we see a little of that marriage).
But aparently they eventually got bored of him and left, and he's afraid the same will happen with Diane so he does everything he can to treat her as well as possible so she doesn't get tired and find someone else, which isn't the best in contrast to Diane's problem with big gestures.
I never thought Mr. Peanutbutter of all the characters of the show would have confidence issues. I always assumed his last two marriages didn't affect him but they did
Mr Peanutbutter knows how to please normal people and he excells at it, like a dog that always knows how to make you happy.
But Diane doesn't need a playmate, she needs someone that understands and shares her unhapiness and cynicism, like Bojack.
The tragedy is that mr pb tends to love women he cannot please and Diane will never be happy with him... she will also be miserable with Bojack, but at least they can understand each other
Exactly. Ironically, by doing these grand gestures and putting on all these shows to make sure Diane doesn't leave him, he ends up pushing her away even further, which is pretty sad if you think about it.
DreamOfTheRebel He's already too used to that and he's an old dog, he ain't gonna learn new tricks
Sebastián Gómez Letelier I fucking hope Diane and Bojack don't end up together. They're too identical for each other to work as a couple. Best friends, maybe.
Matt I. Season 5 actually pointed at the opposite of that
Someone worked real hard on Disneying up that globe.
Actual Garbage it's ditto
Your comment made me realize why there were creepy faces drawn on everything.
When she says “I’m so tired of squinting!” I fucking almost broke down. That was so emotional to us all.
The one line that shows, to me, that Mr. PB really does not understand Diane in general, and this dream of hers in particular is this one:
"Do you know how much it costs to get 5000 _fake_ books?"
Fake books. Not real books. Not a real escape-from-reality comfort corner, not a real space of your own, but an imitation thereof, filled with imitation books. The superficially equivalent stuff, lacking any depth. Diane is an incredibly sheltered, private, walled-in person, who needs to retreat into her own corner, and Mr. PB is all action and chipper and noise. While I sympathise with Diane a lot more here, she is obviously also at fault, but these two people just fundamentally can't understand each other (or at least, PB can't understand Diane) .
For God's sakes, people, he put in fake books. It's all a fucking superficial facade, because the distracting noise is all Mr. PB can conceptualise. He isnt wrong to do that, and people who are that type of nihilist are usually happier, but he and Diane are just not talking the same language.
I legitimately had to do a double take on that line. I thought I had heard him wrong, because...well, he couldn't have, right?
Except he did. And I felt terrible for both him and Diane at the same time.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. As much as they might want to, and as much as they try, a (romantic, anyways) relationship between these two just can't work like how either of them want it to. That doesn't make them bad people, of course. But the fact of the matter is that, if they keep on their current course, then a happy marriage will be the farthest thing from their reality.
In all honesty, she hardly talks about her interests with him, except for a few fleeting moments. So how on earth is he supposed to assume what she likes? That's why, when Diane talked about the room, he thought that it was something he could approach to get closer to her. Yes, he could've gone to a prestige library and randomly picked some out but hey, with fake books this way the image of the room is kept looking good and over time Diane could have gradually filled the shelves up with real books of her own choice.
Well, she could slowly replace it with her favourite books. It's a nice room anyway, even though the books are fake, the atmosphere is there. I could have been no problem if she didn't complain about everything and tried to understand PB and how he tried to be nice. He doesn't have to be the only one trying to understand.
Diane is a writer. Like, that's her job, which PB has acknowledged as being her job several times on the show. Why on EARTH would anyone think a writer would want fake books?
You articulated that so well I want to read an essay written by you
I hate to be THAT person but I'm honestly kind of relieved that Diane's finally putting her foot down. From the moment she sad "yes" to his proposal it was obvious getting married was a terrible idea. Then we had to sit through four seasons of their personalities clashing and this season Mr Peanutbutter's antics were especially irritating. They're both great as individuals but together they really are like "peanut butter and carrots".
peanut butter is ok with carrots, it's more like peanut butter and cake or cheese. He's really terrible for Diane. Diane isn't awful for him, however he is for her. He never really listens to her whereas Diane tried desperately to see it his side and make it work. She was very forgiving of the one man who never tried to listen to her opinion
@@marshbowicorn Peanut butter and cake? Are you crazy? I love myself a nice peanut butter and chocolate cake. In fact, that was the best birthday cake my mum every made for me. Although, then again, that wasn't literally taking any cake and spreading some peanut butter on it. But I suspect taking a vanilla cake and spreading peanut butter on it like icing would still taste nice.
Peanut butter and cheese does sound vile though.
It was bound to happen but it still broke my heart. :(
Red Link Ditto. And I actually rooted for them since the beginning.
Their relationship was very fragile since the beginning.
Red Link Tbh I wasn't really expecting it to end like that. I mean, you start from season one where you say "oh well, Bojack and Diane are going to end up together at the end of this season" but the it doesn't happen, she and PB keep staying together.
Two more seasons later and they're still going strong, especially after the whole Labrador peninsula episode stuff.
Then in season 4 you start to see the cracks but every time they seal and you are so used to seeing em together that you don't really think things are changing... writers even put this whole Hawaii thing to make em look even more bound than before despite all that happened and then... Bam!, this scene is unexpected and that's why it hit so hard
I really wanted them to make it work.
I was geneniunly rooting for them even though I know their marriage was foreshadowed by PB's dream in season 1. I love this couple so much but it has to happen. They are just not compatible. :(
I'm impressed at just how real these caracter's personalities were built, to the point were it is really interesting to see the amount of people that have similar views to PB and just can't see from Diane's perspective. It just proves that Bojack is all about human nature.
Gustbk1 Agreed. I'd say this show is definitely my favorite show currently second to SP.
Gustbk1 It's one of the things that wows me every time. This show filled with anthropomorphic animals and fitting puns is the most human show out there.
What is SP?
JD Cano South Park.
Gustbk1 yeah and somehow I'm almost the opposite. I see PBs point of view but it is very hard for me to side with him since I relate to Diane a lot in this situation
The smiley sofa need to be blessed.
Don't worry,I blessed it.
Best comment!
Best character in the show.
I think if Mr.PB had done something more simple like given diane an empty room and bought some bookshelves and said the room is where she can build her dream library it would've made her happy because now she can start to build the bell room from scratch and she can make it her own and fulfill her dream slowly overtime with her own hard work and all he had to do was give her something simple yet more meaningful but he always has to do grand gestures instead of smaller more meaningful ones and thats the tragedy here
ScubaLemur I completely agree. It would've been the perfect in-between. That was pretty much my first thoughts.
I like that assessment because in that regard it exemplifies the mentality of "it's not about where you're going, it's how you get there."
That is brilliant! It also works with Diane's character
Oh my god, that is a REALLY good idea!
ScubaLemur she would have still been upset.
Exactly how it feels to have a long term relationship end. The break up is never certain, and you always are afraid that if you end it, that perfect thing you see when you squint will never be. But it’s tiring and draining and you can’t seem to understand each other fundamentally. Neither of you are happy, but you’re afraid to let go of that perfect possibility. It’s heartbreaking.
Diane is just tired of rationalizing the good and bad in their relationship. She stays with him because he's a nice person and that's all. MPB is a nice, positive, generous, energetic, and caring person. However, his extreme tendency to do irrational things, only listening to half of what Diane says or just not listening at all (which is worse than refusing to listen my personal opinion), constantly ignoring seriously bad things instead of dealing with it, and constantly smothering her with gifts makes the good parts almost nothing. Diane just can't overlook MPB's massive flaws and only focus on his good qualities anymore. In real life, it can get tiring.
PB saying "do you know how much it costs to get 500 fake books" is SO telling
This scene is one of those
“They had us in the first half not gonna lie” moments
I genuinely thought when Diane was comparing their marriage to a magic eye poster that it was going to be so cute and like “omg they’re gonna make up.”
Then that bomb gets dropped, that she’s so tired of squinting. That hurt my soul man.
Surprise, surprise. I think we all banked on this happening since season 1. They tried to make it work. Really. They tried.
1aundulxaldin
Peanut Butter did at one point say that they were 5 arguments away from a divorce, I wonder is someone watching kept track.
Yep. I remember thinking "No way is this gonna work" but after a few seasons of them getting along so well and loving each other I almost forgot about that.
Diane "squints" their marriage because she was trying to make the best out of the worst situations, and got tired of doing so. They're not compatible, they don't take time to understand one another and a few times their beliefs clashed with each other to a point of disaster (such as the flacking incident). If they had communicated to each other and be more understanding to each other's feelings and desires while setting up boundaries, there would've been more foundation to their relationship.
I think you can try to build a foundation but you can only do so much. You shouldn’t try to squeeze yourself into a place that doesn’t really fit to make a relationship work, that’s gonna take a toll on you. You can’t fully change your beliefs or personality or way you communicate or deal with things just like that, and you should try to find a person that suits them. Ofc you’ll always have to put in work tho.
@@maeerie8175 I get it, but I was meaning for Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter, not in general. I'd rather not talk about relationships in general as there are different context to apply to general relationships and honestly, that's a headache to explain in details.
But to what I was meaning to say (I'm not always good with words) was, if they wanted their relationship to work, both sides had to work on themselves and fix their flaws at least to a reasonable degree, and be understanding to one another or at least find a common ground. Also how well you communicate and compromise with your significant other is also key, but in the case of Diane and Mr. PB, they wind up butting heads.
Even in the episode where Mr. PB proposed to Diane, she showed doubts of being married to him. If Diane and Mr. PB really wanted to make it work then both would have to change their problem areas, but nobody can do that unless they really try to make the effort. They were just not good for each other, but they got married anyway and wasted those years on a toxic relationship.
At least from what I could tell with Diane and Guy, Diane showed struggles with herself and Guy was patient with her, he encouraged her and tried to build her up. That's a healthy relationship, versus her relationship with Mr. PB who does whatever he wanted without forethought and puts himself into a cycle in regards of his relationships--all of which were unhealthy as it showed that to him, his ex-wives were expendable as soon as they grew bitter and boring, he moves onto the next woman who comes along who's new and fun.
@@xxshinanaevangelianxx I think you explained that just fine, agreed
I was watching "Bojack Horseman" passionately throughout my relationship, and we ended up getting married while the show was still going. When Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter had this big fight, I was watching at a time when my own marriage was already on the rocks less than a year into it (long story, not telling it here). When Diane seemed to reach out to Mr. Peanutbutter, I couldn't help but connect it to my own situation, and it felt nice that they could still bounce back from such a harsh argument. But then when she started to cry and say she was giving up, I reacted almost the same way as Mr. Peanutbutter did.
For the record, I ended up getting separated, and our divorce was finalized last year. I don't regret walking away from a relationship that wasn't working out, but I'll never forget that moment, watching this scene, getting this awful feeling that I was looking at my own inevitable future in a way.
Same here-I only watched all of Bojack last year, and it was just a dumb high school relationship in my case, but I remember watching scenes like this of Diane and PB’s relationship and just crying because I knew it was inevitable. In the long run I held on for as long as I could. Lasted one year and ended last week, and if I’m being honest I’m glad she broke it off for both of us because I wasn’t strong enough to do if, even if I knew it had to happen.
I had this with my now ex friend. We were very different people, and we just weren't able to understand each other. Even despite that, we tried and tried and tried, and eventually everything blew up and the fall out was extremely nasty. I was still friends with her at the time season 4 came out, and related our relationship to Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter's. If you have a relationship like this, do not drag it out. Be honest with yourself and end it, you will save yourself a lot of heartbreak.
@@friedsugar2701 People like who? I don't know what you mean.
But for what it's worth, I'm in a relationship with someone currently, and she's the first person since my ex-wife who I've felt able to say that I love. I know that's not a big thing in the long run, and I don't know where this relationship will go, but I feel like I'm in a much better place than before. And I'll still be in a better place mentally and psychologically if this relationship ends.
@@friedsugar2701 Things can always change.
It kinda breaks my heart that he did this so she'd feel more at home with him and was kind of a reflection on his abandonment issues and it's the exact thing that pushes her to leave
This smells like DIVORCE
Akise Lawliet Agreed. Wouldn't be surprised if Mr.PB and Diane get divorced in the opening of S5.
oh that's the Hollywoo way, isn't it?
No mustard? Get a divorce.
Or at least separated.
Doggy-doggy what now?
Akise Lawliet About damn time in my opinion
He's a manchild and she's an adult. He's fun in small doses but she has to live with him and try to have a normal life with him and, when she gets fed up with his insensitive obliviousness, she looks like the bad guy.
Thank you. People got to understand that Mr. Peanutbutter is sweet but he literally ignores serious situations constantly and jus goes off on his whims. They've been showing issues since season 2
Thats one of several sides to it yes, definitely.
She is the adult because she doesn't want to be happy. Got ya.
She'a a miserable adult, who's happiness is seemingly impossible to achieve. Despite handling it poorly, she had every right to call out his continued lack of foresight and consideration and hint towards a divorce.
+DragoonIceX And the sad part about that is that you can't even entirely blame him for it. It's just how he IS. He's as destructive as Bojack, just without the self-loathing. He's just hardwired to be so upbeat and positive that he seemingly can't even perceive when other people are going through issues that he can't fix with some grand gesture of wackiness.
I can tell that season 5 is going to frack Peanutbutter harder than he fracked Diane, and we're all going to feel like complete and utter shit by the end of it as usual.
My sister had a short term thing to Mr. Peanutbutter-like man child. It started out all fun and spontaneous romantic gestures, but that got old really fast when the bills came due. And unlike PB and Diane, this guy did not have the luxury of an unlimited bank account to insulate my sister from the consequences. They broke up within a year. I dont blame Diane. Keeping up with guys like this is exhausting.
"I'm so tired of squinting" followed by MPB's sigh of complete understanding...
Gaaaah my heart...
This season was very interesting for Diane and Princess, as in it is the complete opposite of what is expected. Instead of Princess saving BoJack's ass he saved hers. Diane spent the first few episodes trying to call BoJack for help or assurance and ends the season heavily damaging her marriage(seemingly to the point of divorce.) Lastly BoJack overall has put in more effort to change himself for the better than these two this season.
In short, they turned into BoJack.
Nublet864 PC and Diane always shared those qualities of hoping for the future so I wasn't surprised they were the ones who ended up turning into BJ.
The part that was surprising to me was I thought PB's life was going to completely fall apart. But he is my favorite character so I am happy it didn't.
Zapp Brannigan
The good thing about PB is that even if he and Diane divorce he'll still be around because of his connections with other characters.
That being said, I'm really going to miss Judah...
Nublet864 Judad :(
He was the best of them, too pure for this world...I'm sure he'll be back though.
Bojack is the sad depressed guy that is self destructive and unpredictable. People think being happy stops you from being those things. What Diane and PC realized this season is that happiness isn't simple and that you can't fake it. So when everything was going to shit for them it was easy to turn to Bojack because who else could reflect how much they felt life sucked? Mister PeanutButter is literally the walking embodiment of the phrase "ignorance is bliss" and Ralph is the greeting card guy who thinks life moves like a bunch of greeting card cliches. Bojack is the only thing that is "real" to them. Everyone else is sickeningly happy and optimistic.
Mr. Peanutbutter just does what he can to make people happy. So much so, he doesn't even think of the possibility that it could have the opposite effect. He believes what he wants is what others must want too. Much like a cute dog hoping to be pet constantly but is found bothersome instead. That doesn't always mean the dog owner (Diane) is in fault tho. He/ she shouldn't have to put up with it all the time if they choose not to (no matter how cute the dog is).
Dog owner? that would make DIane a slave owner since Peanutbutter is an anthro dog-person and not a 4 legged feral nonhumanoid animal creature you see at the pet stores. And it be weird if they bought a feral 4 legged dog which is like a human owning an orangutan.
I don't think either of them are at fault for the relationship not working. They are both good people, they're just not meant for each other. PB can't figure out how to make Diane happy and Diane can't figure out how to appreciate PB. I think that roles will switch next season for Bojack and Diane, instead if Bojack dragging her down in desperation and making her sadder, it will be the opposite.
Casey Grae agreed
I'd hate to see Bojack and Diane end up together.
tbh Bojack and Diane aren't compatible either
To add, it is clear they both have different views of happiness (Diane always looking ahead whereas PB is looking in the now, with no care of what lies ahead, passed down by his introverted dad that hid his cancer from everyone to spare everyone his pain) and it is knowing that character trait that informed why they were going to to break up. As for Diane and BJ, they are compatible but their narcissistic traits and views of life, made it impossible for them to really fall in love with each other. Mainly because they were too similar to each other.
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Everyone in the comments is talking about who they side with and why and all I can focus on is the amazing voice acting in this scene. Especially when Diane says "I'm so tired of squinting".
Yeah, when she cried and kept sobbing when the camera spanned out
Diane is addicted to her own misery due to shattered self-esteem from a troubled childhood. Mr. Peanut Butter was raised in a perfect town and then literally stumbled onto every good thing that's ever happened to him, in terms of career and success. There's just NO way these two people (Diane and MRPB) were going to work.
Nobody's childhood can be perfect you know
@@Johnlindsey289 You know what they mean.
Not to mention that the writer's give the viewer's more insight this season to Diane's character. She was happy being at the motel with Mr.Penutbutter perfectly content with the fact they where spending there short vacation there instead of Hawaii. In the episode where she was interviewing PB's ex wife at the nice restaurant she ordered a grilled cheese and while it was shown for humor, to me it showed how Diane loves the little things in life and it really shows the juxtaposition between her and Mr.Peanutbutter. Because as we've seen in former seasons where she tried to help in third world countries and write about important topics all while living a... I don't want to say humble but average lifestyle she miminilistic. All awhile Mr.Peanutbutter is doing spontaneous and outrageous things with Todd like starting a business and running for governor. They are both fundamentally different. And while in some ways they're opposite personalitys helped them complete each other and make them compatible. After being married for this long it's definitely taken a strain.
This scene is so especially tragic because they both genuinely want to help and please each other and want to be happy themselves. They're trying so hard (especially Diane) and the more they try the more it falls apart. They just want to love each other and are frustrated that they don't work as a couple despite everything they've done. Not only that, but they had a lot riding on the marriage as a way to fix the mistakes of their past and it blew up in both their faces. It became a way to prove something to themselves and each other and instead it just feels like failure at every level.
This season's drama exceeded the comedy, which was great.
A week after the new season's release, and clearly thousands have already finished it.
The writing and voice acting in this show is chefs kiss
People hate on Diane a lot for this scene, but she's stated numerous times that she doesn't like grand gestures.
Why does it seem like Bojack is becoming happier but everyone else isn't lol
1üP that's what makes me think on how season 5 will be since Bojack's story is pretty much done, he let go of his past, feels alive since he has a half sister that loves him, and is finally accepting everyone. I feel like Season 5 will be Mr. Peanut Butter focused being super depressed and then Bojack starts accepting him as a friend.
@@ShnobbsReal lol looked what bojack has turned out in season 5. A dark turn for bojack with him relapsing again. He's far from good.
How do you even answer such a statement? I think this phrase is one of the most devastating in the series, along with Todd's speech.
this is the hardest conversation what one couple can have. If you can relate you can feel why this scene is so hard hitting .
People are bagging on Diane but like, I don't really know if I can blame her. Mr. Peanutbutter has done this type of thing time and time again (throwing her a surprise party) and it always ended up badly. It's sweet what he was getting at but they both weren't ready for marriage. Things just fall apart sometimes, and its no one's fault. That was their fate.
Not to mention Mr. Peanutbutter makes many decisions on the spur of the moment without telling her. Mr. Peanutbutter never changes and I think Diane is seeing why Jessica Biel and Katrina left him.
Yeah, and Mr.Peanutbutter is trapped in this mindset that he has to keep doing more and more for Diane to get her to stay. His ex-wives seemed to care waaaaay more about material possessions and fame than they ever cared about spending time with him. This most likely is driving him to constantly go out of his way to spoil Diane, and I doubt he genuinely believes her when she says she rather spend time with him than get material possessions. Having been divorced and abused because he wasn't enough, he most likely has a lot of anxiety issues that haven't been addressed. He's deep down so terrified of loosing Diane because he didn't constantly prove he would do anything for her. At least that's just my theory.
Noah S. I feel like this is different than the party. The party was, as Diane said, something he did for himself and not for her, and stealing the giant D was too much because it was a "mr. Penautbutter" thing to do and not a "Diane" thing to do. But a Diane thing is something that shows someone knows you, that’s why he did this
Is it a "diane" thing to do though? A grand room with fake books she can't even read?
overthemoonwithme A Diane thing is something that shows that they know you. Like when he filler one of the rooms with balls because she once said she always wanted a "ball room"
It can't lead any where but divorce, the marriage is 'broken' in a way that can't be fixed by love. It reminds me alot of my own divorce which is why this was the hardest scene for me this season. Sometimes love is just not enough to make a marriage work, it's sad, horrible and against the romantic ideals of true love, but unfortantely the way it is.
Damn, sorry to hear that, dude.
This is why we called marriage a "liveable hatred".
The complexity and realism to each one of the characters in Bojack Horseman is a masterclass in story telling. It's a shame there are so many people who find the show too depressing or dark to follow. It is indeed very dark, and very deep emotionally. But compared to most of the contrived schlock they put on network TV and the BS "reality" TV, this show was one for the ages.
That's why I've thought they shouldn't be together since season one.
baguvix yeah, it's obvious that BoJack may be the only person who truly understands Diane. I don't know if a relationship between the two of them would work out in the end but Diane has been saddled with Mr. Peanut Butter's drawbacks long enough now.
Bojack plus Diane would definitely work... in a toxic and disfunctional way
Sebastián Gómez Letelier yeah. like his dynamic with Sarah Lynn. Would hate to see anothe rone
I smell a story arc for Mr. Peanutbutter in season 5. Cause we still don't know much about his origin or why he acts so positive. I really hope they do because he is my second favorite character in this show.
who is your first?
I wonder who would drop the f bomb in S5.
@@cheesecakelasagna maybe Diane. Don't think we've heard her say it. Or maybe PB. I think one of them will.
Its out, so far it seems to focus more on Diane, she had only one episode after all
Shnobbs Studios (minor spoilers) with how the last episode of season 5 ended for Peanutbutter, I feel a REALLY big arc for him next season and I’m also quite disappointed he didn’t tell the truth at all!
THAT THUMBNAIL LOL
The sad moment when you realize the first scene of season 5 is gonna be them finalizing the divorce. However, it will be ingesting to see where it takes each character
In my opinion, Diane in this point doesn't allow herself to be happy, just like Bojack. Both of them come from a broken family and this clearly affected their relationships. That's why, in the episode where the house falls down, they two were together the whole time and she said "you really undestand me". Her circumstances and everyday struggles. That's why she keeps calling him during that year he went missing. She really loves Mr Peanutbutter, but she can't fully support him. I cried with her, because I believe she really feels guilty for not accepting Mr PeanutButter's gesture. They love each other, but it won't work. And it's so sad
Dude...if you had just given her an empty room and said "Its all yours. Do whatever you want with it" that would have gone over much better.
Bojack's explanation really connects with me. It's like I'm waiting to become a different person to reconnect with people, but I'm stuck being me.
Ain't that the sad truth
What’s so wrong with being yourself?
Diane was in the right.
At first I didn't understand but looking back on everything I understand were she was coming from now.
To those who still don't get it I suggest you look up "Nice Guy Syndrome" and maybe even listen to some lectures by Dr. Robert Glover.
Mr. Peanutbutter is a nice guy, but he dosen't understand that a nice guy isn't the same as a good man.
In fact a nice guy can be a very punchable villain once you spotted him.
Don't get, me wrong, I'm not saying PB is pure evil. I think there is some good in him, but he's not healthy to be with either. He really is just as selfish and manipulative as Bojack.
Listen carefully to what he is saying in this clip. He isn't doing these grand gestures because it makes his wife happy. He's doing this because he's afraid she's going to leave him so he wants to "manipulate" her into doing what he wants. These gestures are designed to give the appearance to other peoeple that he's treating her well, but they really serve as a way to guilt Diane and persure her into doing what he wants. Grand Gestures stop being romantic if you're not listening to your wife, only doing it hoping to get a specific responses from people or just doing it only to fill your own ego. That behavior in real life gets overbearing, can creep out the woman your with and is a narcissistic form of control. Its actually similar to Bojack gaslighting Todd to try to stop him from moving out in season 1. Like Bojack, PB is trying to plant the idea of "staying" in his targets head because he has insecurities and dose it in a way that he can look like a good guy who cares for person he's manipulating.
This isn't even anything new with his character either. Go back to season 1. He stoled the credit for stealing the D for Diane, made a big public event out of it, almost made a movie about how much he loves Diane......All to pressure Diane into marrying him. So he lied to her, invited a mob of people to cheer on his grand gestures to put public per pressure on her, and started to make a movie celebrating "himself", all to pervent Diane from acting on cold feet. She was clearly a little hesitant at times but now the world was watching them. If she had backed out then everyone would be angery with "her" instead of PB who put their relationship on display in attempt to block her from walking away.
Then she tells him the gestures don't make her comfortable, but he ingores this. Proving these gestures aren't about her but about "him". He also was fine with Hank Hippopopalous being the Bill Cosby of Hollywoo and guilt triped Diane into "not" fighting for his victims because he was afraid it would hurt his show that didn't even last long. So PB cares more about his Image then abuse in Hollywoo. In someways Bojack is a more respectable character because he's at least selfaware of his problems and wants to do better. Bojack also grows as a character and makes the effort to change. PB still feels like the same character he started off as by the shows end.
After years of dealing with this kind of behavior the frustration is going to build up in someone. Which leads to the most infuriating thing about the nice guy of all. When you finally snap with him people who don't understand all this get angery with "you" for getting angery with the Nice Guy.
Wow just wow the voice actress for Diane is amazing her cries sound real I think they are real cries outstanding performance
This scene hits really hard cause me and my boyfriend broke up last week and this I feel somewhat out how things were for us. We loved each other, we tried for months to make it work when we kept fighting constantly, but when it came down to it we were just to different to make it work and neither one of us was happy. I remember saying to him a month before we broke up “I love you, I know you love me, but when does it hit that point where loving each other isn’t enough, like are we there, are we close?” This scene sums that up so well, two people that love each other but it’s just not enough...
I'm not sure this is a popular opinion, but I think Diane can't handle a family like life because it never worked for her, she had terrible parents and brothers and couldn't wait to go away. I think she is afraid of commitment and because she can't give the same affection her husband gives to her.
Yeah... PB is a very healthy person. A little crazy, but it makes him happy, so what, he can afford it. Diane is very much like Bojack. Broken... And she knows it.
idk if you can call PB healthy. He once told Todd that the only way to be happy is to fill your life with endless work and distractions. There's a lot of his own issues he clearly hasn't confronted.
Jonny Lupus I dont consider that unhealthy at all. There might be better ways how to deal with existencial dread, he simply havent discovered them. He manages to be happy and not hurt other people in the process (Diane is not hurt, there its a little more complicated), and that's what matters. He found meaning in this ugly confusing hypocritikal world, which is more than you can say about anyone else except for Todd.
I would actually call that healthier than most other people's point of view. Everything is meaningless in an objective sense, the only meaning that exists in anything is what you give it, so by filling his life by doing "meaningless" things that he enjoys, while at the same time recognising "failure" is just something to move past and not dwell on, Mr Peanutbutter is living a much more fulfilling life than people like Diane or Bojack ever could
Interesting...
This show is pretty realistic in that problems dont always get resolved, people dont always learn from their mistakes, happiness is not always realized and tragedy ensues. And that's it.
Remember what Wayne said, “you’re trying to be a Zelda, when your so obviously a Zoey.”
Mr. Peanutbutter is a dog. Dogs are happy, simple, straightforward creatures as long as you give them a good upbringing. There can be a lot of misery and injustice in the world, but Mr. Peanutbutter will be happy because he enjoys life’s little pleasures and is happy with material goods and simple relationships, but that can make him unable to understand the insecurities and unhappiness other people go through.
the person i side with in this scene changes literally every single time i watch it
Squinting takes effort, and effort is exhausting.
i dated someone like mr peanutbutter for two years, i can understand how diane feels. it's a tricky situation when they just want to give you the whole world, but you can't accept it because maybe you don't feel worthy, maybe you don't feel like you can ever give them the same back. it's exhausting sometimes, as much as i love these two together overall. i can just picture myself in this exact situation with the same emotions as diane and i feel for her
Olivia Dalley It's not that, it's because the library was Diane's fantasy world of escapism that she wanted to remain purely fantasy but PB ruined it for her by making it "real" as a grand gesture to her without even consulting her, and Diane has said to Mr. Peanutbutter in the past that she doesn't like it when he makes these grand gestures to try hard to please her, yet he continues to do so anyway without listening, and she also had to deal with being trapped underground in the same house as PB's exes (thanks to PB's decision to frack under their house) and their trip to Hawaii afterward which was mostly spent by herself in the motel room while PB hung out with the other hotel guests, and even though Diane is always hesitant to voice her true feelings so PB doesn't know exactly how she feels, it shows how Mr. Peanutbutter always thinks of his himself and his own ambitions and fails to take other people's feelings into consideration, and I think the library thing was just merely the straw that broke the camel's back and she couldn't hold in her frustration any longer because she was tired of pretending she was in a happy relationship when in reality they are fundamentally incompatible
oh yeah, I'm completely aware of the situation of this scene, and again god damn it's incredibly relatable into my own life. but I truly feel like some of the reason that Diane gets upset with all of these huge gestures of love is because of her depression and childhood. maybe I'm just trying to find extra comfort in an animated show, I have no idea lmao. PB is extremely self-centred but it does come from a good place in his heart at the end of the day, while Diane always seems to struggle with these overbearing love; possibly because she's never felt it before
they just don't click anymore, and that's the sad truth
When two people love each other, care about each other...but don't understand each other...you end up here. It's not anyone's fault, but it sucks all the same.
Exactly how my relationship ended. This is so painfull to watch.
This is still one of the most real and raw scenes of the entire show.
Speaking from experience, I actually find this kind of bittersweet. On the one hand, their marriage fell apart despite their best efforts, but it would have been more tragic for Diane to just keep putting on a face and acting like she was happy with her marriage. I'm honestly happy that they're not milking this drama any more and I can't wait to see where it'll go.
Five bucks says she ends up with Bojack in the next season.
Gabriel Schleifer I don't know why, but I don't want BoJack and Diane together. I feel like it would be... kinda toxic, since both feel miserable most of the time
This line is probably one of my favorite game changers in this show.
Fake books is a crime
and thus the big Diane-hate rage began!
Our relationship it's messy and at first glance it doesn't seem to make any sense and it's hard to figure out but sometimes if u squint at it just right everything lines up and it's the most perfect beautiful amazing thing!
But.. I'm so tired of squinting..
The delivery of the last line my god that hit so hard
The problem is that Diane and Mr. Peanut Butter do not have the ability to be able to tell each other how they really feel. They communicate on different levels but cannot be able to communicate with each other. They avoid. Diane could not lean on Mr. Peanut butter when she went across the world and realized she could not do it. Mr. Peanut butter did not tell Diane he was actually bothered by the abortion. He said he wanted to keep it but then said nothing else and like every other situation where things get rough he deflects. He does not confront problems out of fear. Fear makes him do grand gestures and deflect. Rather then confront the issue with two failed marriages and tells Diane he is scared of another failure, he tries to make these over the top grand gestures to prove he is a good husband cause his first two wives were very shitty to him. So that fear makes him think HE was the problem the whole time rather then confront the fact he had two wives who were horrible to him. His grand gestures make Diane feel invisible cause they come off as very self centered and that makes her feel bad that she cant ' measure up.' She feels put on the spot and feels she cant tell him this cause then she looks like the bad guy when he is trying to do something ' nice.' But that gesture is more for his benefit then hers cause he is scared and his reaction to things is to deflect. So in time Diane probably felt that she could not lean on him cause he will make it about him, cause every time there is a problem he gets freaked out and does over the top things. Which makes Diane frustrated cause she does not feel like she can actually TALK to him. So that is pent up frustration cause she knows that she cant talk to him properly. That is why every time he does something nice she gets frustrated cause she knows that his grand gestures are another example of him deflecting and a reminder that she really cannot talk to him about serious stuff. So she avoids it too with drinking, lying about being in a wore torn country and hiding in bojacks house, drugs, and angry sex. They do love each other but the fact that they cant be each others rocks is what led them to her saying she is ' tired of squinting.' If they were able to actually TALK to each other and Mr. Peanutbutter not doing things that are motivated out of fear then they would have had a pretty good marriage. Cause you can tell they DO love each other.
Peanutbutter would screw up sometimes
Yeah they both did and that is why it is falling apart :/
Top notch thumbnail choice.
When I originally saw this scene I couldn't stop staring at the couch
Honestly this completely took me by surprise. I knew their marriage wasn't smooth but I was always hoping that they would sort it out together in the end. I'm happy with where they are now though.
"I am tired of squinting" sums up my past relationship. We loved each other but never understood each other the way we wanted. It just sucked because she is the best person I have ever met in my life.
Maybe Diane would be happier if she were alone...
Never understood how someone like Diane, being as smart and dismissive as she is, would agree to marry someone like Mr. PB having never been there for her on an emotional level; with this as proof of just how clueless he is about her inner world.
She didn’t she was basically pressured by the press and fear she lose a genuine good guy who won’t use her she tried to so hard but didn’t handle it
1:31 to 2:05 Oof, this is LITERALLY how I feel right now. I'm so tired of squinting...
I know it's tacky to do this to fictional characters but this scene really makes me wonder. Does Diane have some kind of disorder? Look at it, she hate's grand gestures, she doesn't like surprises, she doesn't like parties, she finds it hard to express the same affection given to her, she doesn't open up until it's too late, she's very fixed in her ways and she _does not want a relationship like this._ It seems clear to me at this point. Bojack is the only one seemingly willing to listen to her woes and that's why she seems much calmer and less uptight around him (in later seasons that is) but she is so strained around Mr. PB. Don't get me wrong, I love Mr. PB but looking at these comments, I don't think Diane's POV is being fully understood. I guess I feel this way because I feel I have a lot in common with Diane and, to be honest I would feel the same way if my husband did not listen to me and kept making the same mistakes.
Grand gestures really pressures you to think of "paying them back" for everything they did so the grander the gesture, the more you think have to do to show how much you thank them for it. And that is where the overwhelming part comes in.
Her dislike for surprises is harder to decipher, so I'll try not to get into it. As for parties, it may stem from her unhappy childhood, both in her home and at school. Parties usually involve social interaction and for someone who hasn't had a good experience with other people, it can be hard to enjoy in one.
It IS hard to express the same affection given to someone. Say what if you're with a pretty stoic person who has difficulty in expressing their feelings while you're the emotional one in comparison? There's gonna be some issues there. Some don't like to be TOO emotional because it could be a sign of weakness, or losing face (and something about cultural differences but that's a different story). And it's not easy to change habits like that. I sympathize with Diane because nobody gets to see it in her own POV and I have had similar feelings before. It's much easier for everyone (everyone but me) to root for the optimist who is nice to everyone, IGNORING the fact that Mr. Peanutbutter is not as happy and functional as everyone thinks.
I see what you mean, as much as I like Mr Peanutbutter, it is clear he has his own abandonment issues. He does not want to lose Diane and clearly loves her but they can't see eye to eye. Diane wants to be out there, independent and changing the world where Mr. Peanutbutter just wants her home to be his wife, both are understandable and relate-able wishes. I wouldnt say that everybody but you roots for the optimist because despite his good heart, I do side with Diane more often than not. I have personally felt the same way as Diane before so maybe I'm just biased. Her line "Why can't I be happy, am I busted?!" hit too close to home for me.
Appart from the fact that Diane is a clear introvert, there's this thing called dysthymia, that is a mild chronic depression disorder and the simptomes kinda apply to Diane's behavior, since she cant seem to be happy about herself or her relationship, but I'm no expert on the subject .
As for PB, we dont have much background on his life but remember "Nothing bad ever happens in the labrador peninsula". I dont really think he has abandonment issues but instead its because of his dog personality, needy and actively loving.
I am exactly like Diane except for not as depressive. I know exactly what she means. I'm very utilitarian and I want to leave my impact in the world instead of enjoying its luxuries. I want someone to grow with me, to value what I do and what I say, and not merely someone to provide for me or impress me, or try to win my favor. When I experience a grand gesture It's embarrassing. I value the simple things and honestly the same type of things that Diane does. Diane was attracted to Mr peanut butter because she thought his optimism would save her from the dark side of herself, and to an extent that worked, what she didn't foresee is that he wouldn't listen to her, doing the one thing that makes her feel especially insignificant and unloved. She values her mind, and her voice and it's been a struggle to assert herself in a world that underestimates her. I guarantee you by the way they portray Diane it's obvious that she will find contentment because she's so real and so dedicated and ultimately always gets back up, but she has a serious struggle to go through as she lived a childhood of trauma and insignificance.
And as it turns out, Diane ends up being diagnosed with depression. I actually love her growth, physically and mentally. She's happier now, at least as far as we know. I really love her character from the start and I wished happy things to come her way. Now here we are :)
something about peanutbutters sigh of realisation at the end is so genuine. i just dont know how to explain it.
This scene hits the hardest for me out of the entire show both when it premiered and now on my second watch
Just lived something similar to this, this hurt my soul
I'm so tired of squinting
From the very first episode I always thought they were so incompatible and couldn’t believe that actually got married. I mean they’re nothing alike in any way shape or form Mr. peanut butter is this spontaneous happy go lucky overenthusiastic dog who loves making a big spectacle out of things and Diane is very low key and chill who doesn’t always wanna be in the spotlight and would rather have a romantic gesture be something small yet meaningful. I remember in the episode where Bojack had sabotaged Todd’s rock opera Diane had said to Wayne “mr peanut butter is nice to me” I remembered thinking is that the ONLY reason you’re with him???. I mean, of course it’s important to be with someone that’s good to you, but that shouldn’t be the only reason why you’re with them, there should be some things like common interests or similar personality traits that makes you simpatico with your partner, them being a nice person isn’t enough to be in a relationship especially a marriage. I mean he’s done these great big grand romantic gestures for her especially when he proposed but this finally reached the breaking point for her because she’s told him over and over again she doesn’t want a big show of a gesture he’s all into, and yet he continues to do them as if he had no clue she wasn’t into them proving he never really listens to her and her needs. It is a sad moment for her to acknowledge out loud that no matter how hard she’s tries to continue “squinting” and how much she loves and cares for him they’re never gonna be able to get past the problems they continue to have time after time and therefore their marriage will never work. But in the grand scheme of things their divorce was definitely what was best for both of them cuz they’re jus not right for each other. I’m glad they both ended up with happy ending separately and had the chance to express to each other that despite everything they’re grateful for the time they had together.
Diane never wanting to be the bad guy and being made to feel like she was the problem with their relationship has never been more clear than when she’s overwhelmed and doesn’t appreciate the gesture initially but feels the need to immediately and repeatedly apologize, she knows that her not liking this surprise will lead to a fight where she won’t feel like she’s being heard
Yano i love ppl like you who put spoilers in the title and put the thumbnail in the background so that there are definetly noooo spoilers 🖐😁🖐
I can't help but feel Diane is addicted to miserable. Like when she said "getting married is the happiest day of your life... but what about the day after." She have a lot to be happy about. Now did Mr. PB over did it? Yes he did, but he does it because I think he's scared that if he doesn't do things like that Diane will leave him like his first two wives. She didn't have to over react like that. I wonder though, what if he had a room built in for her (like a man cave) and let her fill it in with things she want.
That's the problem, Diane constantly told him she doesn't like big gestures but Mr PB never listens, is not that Diane is addicted to be miserable, she's annoyed because her husband showed again that she didn't listen to her and his big gesture is all fake. Just because Mr. PB had good intentions doesn't mean Diane had to be happy about it.
honestly I think we all knew from season 1 they weren’t gonna work, but after watching all the fun and cute moments between them and then reaching to this point, damn it hit hard
Weird that Diane stuck with PB after he destroyed their house and almost killed Diane, himself, and a bunch of others (via the fracking stunt), but the fact that he built her a dedicated library is too much, man
I’m not really a Bojack Horseman fan like at all, but something that strikes out at me is how Mr. Peanuttbutter literally had faces drawn on the furniture and it wasn’t even good furniture just showing how he probably expected to her have fun with whatever he could provide like a little kid having fun with a second-hand toy or used playhouse when that’s just it, she’s not kid. She’s an adult. An adult who moved on with her life. So there’d just be no point in trying to indulge in that fantasy in anymore.
I just want to say that I very much like the person that uploaded this and had the kindness to put a thumbnail and a title that avoided spoilers.
you are welcome, I posted a comment a few days after I upoleaded this, about how I was hesitant at first, but to be honest, the discussions that took place here are already prove that it was worth it. :) have a good day/nigth
Ever notice that Diane's story arc is similar to Butterscotch's?
Both come from poor households in the Eastern USA. Both dream of changing the world by moving to California and becoming a great writer, and end up struggling with crappy jobs, and not breaking through in their chosen fields. They both get better, but unsatisfying jobs (Butterscotch an office drone, Diane a clickbait writer) through their connections. They alienate the people around them through their uncompromising political views. Both of them end up in shallow marriages (though Mr PB is a lot better than Beatrice).
Season 5 will probably see a lot more of Butterscotch's backstory. Did he have any siblings? Did any of his novels sell at all?
holy shit
Welp, Butterscotch never really got expanded upon. Season 4 is the most we ever find out about him now that the show's ended.
im on diane's side for once, she clearly doesnt care about suprises and material goods and has consistently shown this to PB, but he never fucking learns and always just throws money and decadent shit at their relationship to try to make it better
So tell me more about what can make Diane happy. She always complain about everything. Her husband is stupid? Yes, but at least he cares about her happiness. The problem is, she's always complaining about something and wants to be the center of the attention when someone say something that she doesn't like.
But that's ALL he's ever known how to do. They show this throughout the series and especially in the episode from last season when they visit the Labrador Peninsula, where everyone is just happy all the time and they are trained to hide pain. He can't relate to people that are broken. He just smiles and throws money at things to gloss over their pain.
Fuck... when I started watching the show I could not expect this portrayal of social interaction with all its complexity but also those brief moments that everything comes to a sense. You briefly stand out and above as if you are not part of this entanglement. Then you have to dive in. Again.
Are people really so dense that they can't see Diane's point of view?
Mr. Peanutbutter is legit acting controlling and manipulating. Rather than allowing Diane to piece together a library (if she ever wanted to), he went ahead and did it for her (and shoddily too), and then tried to present it as a reason to keep her with him. Peanutbutter is really messed-up: selfish, self-absorbed, lacking any sense of self-awareness. Diane honestly made the right decision, but it baffles me that people can just dismiss her and call her a "bitch". It might not have been an abusive relationship between them, but it was certainly an incompatible one that was highly toxic at times.
We gonna talk about those prints on the couch, or no?
i like how you can pretty much sympathize with both characters here, no one's truly the bad guy in this situation.
MPB does all these extravagant things for diane because he's afraid he might lose her (like what happened with his exes). he tries to make her happy, but he likes to think big and do big things, were as diane likes to think simple and do small things.
what they really need is to find that middle ground.
This is one of the best scenes in the whole show.
Yeah, sadly this will be healthy for them. They tried so hard to make it work but from the start it felt weird.
We often forget PB’s tendencies of insecurities. He often created grand gestures like this because he is afraid of his wives leaving him and being alone. In some way, PB making this grand gesture of affection scares off Diane because she feels obligated to stay with him for “making her dreams a reality”. In actuality, PB never *listened* to what Diane was communicating about her dreams. Diane having this dream library is her way of escaping into herself and establishing hope. She didn’t want her dream to become a reality, she was only trying to share her dream to have that closeness with PB. She was trying to be intimate with him. PB, even if he didn’t intentionally mean to, ended up taking that comfort away from her.
Diane breaks down because she realized she can’t share that kind of intimacy with PB without feeling as though her thoughts/dreams got somewhat exploited. They care about each other a lot but they were both fundamentally incompatible with each other.
Throughout Diane’s life she felt as though she wasn’t listened to or respected by her family or lovers. I think Diane has a tendency to help people like Bojack because she subconsciously offers the same support and care to others that she actually needs for herself.
PB has a tendency to run away from serious points of communication (“Erica!”) to avoid confrontation because he may feel that problems lead to failing relationships. His partners oftentimes feel as though they are not being listened to because he takes their barrier of communication away from them. PB also jumps from one relationship to the next, pushing the fast relationships (which we see with Diane and Pickles) often due to his abandonment insecurities. These grand gestures really are ways for PB to try to pin his partners down with him. Consciously, he wants them to know how much he loves them by externalizing and expressing it. Subconsciously, he is actually pressuring his partner to stay with him!
On the outside, we see how much PB seems to care for Diane. If we look inside the relationship, we start to see the cracks in their lack of communication and understanding of each other!
PB’s grand affections even affected Diane’s gift-giving abilities. We see this when Guy tries to buy her a coat. Diane immediately becomes suspicious that Guy has ulterior motives with the coat and is confused of Guy’s genuine nature behind the gift. This is one example of how PB and Diane’s relationship affected each other!
holy hell my heart bleeds for her when she said that she’s tired of squinting😭