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Diane seems strong, I don't see it as any stretch to imagine that she held her emotions until completely breaking down. I think she got sad back in season 1 on the roof with bojack, but it's too long and I'm drunk so I'm not going to fact Check, my bad Senpai)
Diane is so relatable. “You’re the biggest asshole I know; you’re the only thing that makes sense to me.” When you grow up in a bad home, even moving in with a happy family can make you feel worse and you’re more drawn to the wrong people.
Welp, save the happy people some time and energy and go be miserable by yourself if you can't make it work. Take responsibility and change, don't waste others people's times 🤷
@@6ANUR34DT81SDamn, why hasn’t anyone thought of that before? They should give you a Noble Peace Prize, you’ve officially solved mental health, trauma and depression. Congratulations!
Diane suffers because of her unrealistic high expectations of herself and those around her. It’s true Diane has no support system. Her family is too preoccupied with themselves and they constantly mock and undermine Diane. A child in those circumstances will definitely develop low self-esteem. But that’s only part of her internal struggle. Diane is self-centered because she feels inadequate and that her life is purposeless. Diane’s moral compass is not enough for her to be happy. Doing good in the world doesn’t equal happiness. Or else every superhero would be happy. Take Daredevil or Batman for example. Diane is constantly searching exterior factors in order to feel satisfied or fulfilled. But marriage for her doesn’t work out and neither does helping a good cause. And she is passionate about writing, but that does not satisfy Diane either. Diane has to learn to compensate for this extreme idea of happiness and she needs that to be enough. The problem is that she is never happy with she has in front of her. She suffers with “the other side of grass is greener” syndrome. Diane thinks she needs to be doing great and big things to be happy but it’s really the small things she’s missing out. She fears so much of life not being enough, and that is results in her feeling empty. She needs to allow herself to be happy, knowing she will never be perfect and that life will not always go her way.
DD and Batman are fictional characters. Not to mention no person could realistically imitate them so I think you need to include some more compelling evidence that helping people doesn’t lead to at least some measure of happiness.
@@aylix2137 Please take some thought to understand what your saying and what @O- L-D meant. In the end they're actually all fictional characters (Including Diane) and the point of their struggles is to be at times relatable and character changing or even compelling to fit the narrative. He simply used these example because of all superheroes those two specifically are some of the grittiest of their DC universe that struggle more behind the mask in the world they belong to whilst still on paper succeeding and saving the day time and time again. This was all to hammer down on the point @ O- L-D made which was success in the world doesn't equal happiness.
That was actually helpful for me, because i always think i wasn't enough but the reality is that i always wanted to be the best in everything. Now i'm just gonna focused on the thing i was very good at
"You're the only thing that makes sense to me" this is Diane's problem in a nutshell. The thing about people who grew up in an abusive family is that they often can't learn how good life with good people is supposed to be like. They don't trust peace and love because it's unfamiliar to them. Mr Peanutbutter has faults of his own in his relationship with Diane, but perhaps this woman's most self-destructive impulse is to internally refuse the happyness she can have with him, as she will always feel attracted to "mean" people (like her ex who works at buzzfeed) and "total assholes" (like Bojack). Because misery is the only thing she can truly feel at home with.
But she wasn't attracted to Bojack. Romantically I mean. There may be some truth to what you're saying but there are plenty of examples of people from abusive families settling down with a good life and people from "normal" families living in toxic environments. I mostly think it's her intelligence at fault tb, and her need for meaning. Never resting mind.
CommanderCalins1 i am not annoyed by diane's action in season 5. I actually like her even more because it shows that no matter how morally right a person can be, they can still be a flawed person. Everyone in this show is flawed one way or the other. Diane is no exception. But thats just my opinion
i love how Americans think they understand this show ...everything in the world must be "right" according to ur moral values ...all u guys do is attack bojack that is just childish, every body on this show is an asshole & bojack is the only one trying to get better so how is she or Peanutbutter better than him ?..also if she likes bojack that is because he isn't shallow & Bubbly all of the time ...she is a complicated person who needs someone as complicated who can understand her...i seriously think most people misunderstood the show
"...and even if I could get better, the best I could ever be is still just some other version of me." This quote haunts me. I've grown a lot as a person over the last year and look back on who I was unfavorably, but in the back of my mind I know I'm still that old me, just a better version.
i get it, but nobody is born bad, everyone is just kind of nothing and shaped by their experiences. the fact that you are a better person in the first place is good, and just keep on trying to be good as best you can, thats all anyone can ask for tbh
That used to haunt me. When I realized that's the only thing anyone could ever be, and also watched a lot of multiverse crap, I started imagining all the ways I could possibly be
[Spoilers kind of I guess] As BoJack rises to be happy it seems like all the other characters are starting to spiral more into a shit hole at least except for Todd. Can't wait for season 5.
Kegyetleneper Before I would have said no to that because Bojack flip flops between being a jerk and decent but this season shows that he is improving, albeit slowly. Wonder what will happen after Diane and Mr.Peanutbutter break up (it's going to happen) if Bojack will help her or will be too afraid.
Diane is probably the most relatable character on this entire show, at least for me. Bojack doesn’t really speak to me personally because I’m not an addict or a celebrity, but Diane is basically my personality copy-pasted onto a TV show. The writing in this is really top-notch
Jesus seeing Diane break down with all that inferiority pouring out of herself is simply gut wrenching. "Why can't I be happy!?Am I busted!?".That line is like taking a knife and thrusting it into my heart.
Idk how people hate on Diane. She's literally like any of us. I felt her pain and her despair in this scene and it just felt so real to me. But you always got assholes that say "sHe tHinKs sHe'S betTeR tHaN eVeRyOnE" "sHe'S jUsT a StUpId fEmiNiSt" but will be okay with Bojack almost using a 17 year old for sex, leaving behind his outcasted gay friend, or Mr. Peanutbutter fucking up all his marriages.
I don't know how anyone could hate on Diane when Bojack is right front and center. Every character are flawed people, he's straight up an asshole. And that's like the whole point.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdomyou say that as if 2 people couldn't be bad people at the same time, now, they're not both equally bad, but you can still hate on your shitty neighbor even if there are shittier neighbors out there
I think its mostly Bojack's mistakes that really set diane away from him. Diane always had strong morals for right and wrong and bojack really had done some fucked up things that drove her away. But also, i think they needed someone who wasnt the "same" as them to help them get better. This is coming from someone who does really like bojack x diane but i know that realistically it wasnt meant to be
That's how romance works. You can't go for someone who doesn't have enough in common with you (that was what went wrong with Mr. Peanutbutter), and you can't go for someone who is too much like you either (that's why she and Bojack were never a thing).
Even in the Mr Blue scene, you can see they still have strong feelings for one another. The reason they stop talking is because they know if they continue their friendship, or pursue a relationship, although they would probably be happy, they'd also be the eye of a category 5 tornado, destroying everything around them
Bojack scared Diane with his final call and it was the last straw for her, on top of the many things that made her feel weird being friends with Bojack. Regardless of whether or not they'd be great as friends or as romantic partners, the damage was done and Diane wanted to move on. She may still care for Bojack (which she does) but she doesn't want him in her life anymore and understandably so. Sometimes, you just can't stay with someone when they've hurt you so much... it doesn't matter if they become better because, by the time it happens, you'll want to leave.
Seeing little details like Bojack telling Diane “don’t feel bad about feeling bad “ which is a callback to something one of hollyhock’s dad’s would tell her, is what makes this show great. Subtleties of character growth and lessons learnt from each other. Basic things that once you really notice them add such depth to the story.
"I'm a pit that good things fall into!" That quote hits home. Feeling like you're only hurting your loved ones with your depression and not feeling worthy of connecting with new people because you're scared you'll drain and drag them down to your level. It makes it so hard to reach out for help when doing so makes you feel like a burden, so you settle with toxic habits and relationships because you feel like you don't deserve better.
What makes Diane a complex character is that even though she had a dysfunctional family and she’s been battling depression throughout her life, she’s always tried to be the best person she can be. She’s a woman of action. She’s tried to be a reliable friend and a great wife. But it’s just like Stefani said: she puts herself on a unrealistically high standard. And she doesn’t recognize that she’s human and is allowed to be imperfect. So when she fails she gives in to her depression and becomes someone unrecognizable. Some mentally ill people are too aware of the impact they have on other people and thus have to work harder to seem functional and bury their problems. Diane’s one of those people. But it’s good to see Diane telling Bojack that she can’t wait for him to be better for him to be in her life. She’s one of the few people who accepts and forgives Bojack’s flaws. She will never forget the impact his show had on her life, and he’s always been the friend she needed when she was at her worse moment.
It feels like Bojack is looking into a crying, boozy, runny-makeup mirror in this scene. Bojack and Diane are basically the same person. he's telling Diane she's not a pit, but he knows he's lying, and he knows he's a pit too. the only difference is that he gets better as the season goes on, whereas Diane gets worse.
The interesting thing how badly people can change. They say the ones most reliant on their parents become the most independent when they grow up, and this is interesting to see that. BoJack started off bad, and I mean BAD, but as he continues, he is starting to improve, because before, he saw life as nothing but shit, and himself as nothing but shit, but as he comes into contact with good things, he is starting to change his persective, and improving. Diane is kinda the opposite. She starts off optimistic and believing she can change for the better (remember, she is a Zoe) but as she starts coming into contact with the awful things in her life, (I won't say BoJack because he hasn't hurt her like the others), Cordovia, Hank Hippopolus, gun rights failing hardcore, she learns that she can't change the world like she wants, and that is hurting her, damaging her until she ends up not believing anything matters anymore. The dynamics in this series are really interesting.
It's not that she wants to change the world, it's that she wants to be someone who's good enough to do this after the hell she went through in her youth. She wanted to be worth a damn and it kills her that it's not that simple. She's also like Princess Carolyn in this regard.
Weirdly enough it is Dianne who gets better and gets her happy ending at the end of the show while bojack keeps falling into the same self-destructive patterns even after making fresh starts several times
@@pratyushapan7164 just like what he said in the eulogy, "you can't have happy endings in sitcoms, not really, because, if everyone's happy, the show would be over"
The beginning of her cry is either one of the best, or worst cases of voice acting, but ill side with best. That was so raw. Her emotions spilled out, no attempt to contain it. I'm not proud of it, but I've completely broken down drunk many times and that depicts it so well. Props to the voice actress, so many props. (I should add that just hearing her cry makes me tear up, which makes me a "bitch", but unfortunately that's a flaw with humans)
Just wanna add a reply to mention that I've been in this comment section for awhile, taking a shot for every 2 replies, and I think I'm about to puke. But cheers! If there's one thing bojack teaches us, it's that alcohol solves your problems (till you wake up, but who thinks that far?)
It's great voice acting, and it is extremely realistic. But it's extremely cringy because that's how drunk crying sounds so some people (not me) might call it bad because it makes them extremely uncomfortable
No shit. Allison Brie did an amazing job for this scene. I wonder how many times they had to do the take, plus I can only imagine she actually had to break down in the studio to hit this level of ridiculous raw crying.
“Am I busted?” Some how 8 words but really got me going and got me thinking about my own life and why I simply can’t just be “happy”. Same with you about asking yourself that question more times than you can admit. Like it doesn’t matter what you’re doing (ex: grocery shopping, doing homework, hanging with friends, watching your favorite RUclipsr, etc), you still can’t figure out why you’re not happy and it fucking sucks. Sorry honestly, a bit drunk and always turn to Bojack Horseman clips for some reason
I think seeing Diane like this was an important part of BoJack's character arc this season. He needed to be better before seeing her because he thought that she was the only smart person in his life who was happy. Turns out she isn't satisfied with her life, even though it looks good from the outside. In the past this would have signaled that he should try to hook up with her, but I think HollyHock's influence kept him from doing that in this moment. Season 4 is masterfully done, and the subtlety re: who does what thing in what order makes it seem like it's the only way they coyuld have happened. I wonder if the writers meant that to be a repudiation of absurdist thought or their assertion that in an absurd world devoid of meaning, serendipity can still occur and it means that much more because it was just happy coincidence.
Anyone who can look at that scene and feel envy is just as broken as Bojack and Diane. That above scenario is NOT healthy. Diane literally says that Bojack only makes sense to her because he's an utter asshole. Only someone as fucked up as Bojack could ever take that as a compliment.
I love this scene. I love how this show speaks to people. Conventional storylines made us believe that only happy endings are worth shit and you have to be someone pretty special to earn it. This show values the stories of imperfect, broken people on seemingly endless journeys of self-improvement. People who are more like us than we'd like to admit.
“The best version I could ever be is only another version of me” Season 6 alludes to this. Bojack is getting help, becoming much better, but his past mistakes are still there and he can’t run from them forever, even if he actually became better.
“I can’t wait for you to be better. I need you in my life.” I know exactly how that clawing desperation feels. Finding someone in an empty place who you think truly knows how to care for you. Being so terrified of losing them, of being left alone that you cling onto them for dear life. Even if that care becomes less and less, even if they treat you awfully, even if distance is the only thing that could possibly help your relationship, you’re just too scared. It’s horrifying. Then you find your fears coming true. And it’s the worst and the best thing that ever happened to you.
Having struggled with depression and an adjustment disorder for most of my adult life, this hits very close to home. All the time I ask myself whether or not I'm a burden to people, whether certain individuals (I don't even neccessarily care all that much about) like me and if not, how I can change that. On bad days, I see myself as unique in the worst possible way, as a human specimen that was bred specifically to fail and make others unhappy. Simply being myself and feeling unapologetic and sincere about the person I truly am is a horrifying and alien concept to me, and I constantly think of myself as a burden to my friends, family and loved ones no matter what I do. Bojack's advice of "don't feel bad about feeling bad" is actually very helpful, becauce it takes a lot of emotional maturity and personal responsibility to realize that you're not the probem in a situation like this, it's the people who can't accept you the way you are. Really makes me appreciate the show even more.
Bojack and Diane's friendship reminds me of me and my best female friend. This clip got me thinking, that these two characters love each other, and so do we. Not the boyfriend/girlfriend kind of "I luv u" but also not the average bromance. It's a kind of love that make you care so much for the other that when they're sad, you get sad and do everything in your power to cheer them up, not just because of decent humanity but because it breaks your heart to see them cry. Now I've fallen IN LOVE with this girl a year ago and it didn't end well, but after half a year of her not talking to me, she couldn't stand not talking with me and I felt the same way. Although it went wrong for me to go for her, I need to say that these kinds of friends are the type of people that you should go for, cause they don't just like the idea of being with you, they like the actual you.
Nah I never got that. Platonic male female affection is distinct to romantic/sexual affection, but very different to female-female affection and male-male affection
I feel bojack in this so much disappearing to try and be better but you realize you’ll never change no matter how hard you try you’ll still be just another version of you and it’ll never be enough :/
The interesting thing how badly people can change. They say the ones most reliant on their parents become the most independent when they grow up, and this is interesting to see that. BoJack started off bad, and I mean BAD, but as he continues, he is starting to improve, because before, he saw life as nothing but shit, and himself as nothing but shit, but as he comes into contact with good things, he is starting to change his persective, and improving. Diane is kinda the opposite. She starts off optimistic and believing she can change for the better (remember, she is a Zoe) but as she starts coming into contact with the awful things in her life, (I won't say BoJack because he hasn't hurt her like the others), Cordovia, Hank Hippopolus, gun rights failing hardcore, she learns that she can't change the world like she wants, and that is hurting her, damaging her until she ends up not believing anything matters anymore. The dynamics in this series are really interesting.
Rue and Bojack They are the only two TV characters that legit break my heart at least once an episode. I can't watch Rue without my own anxiety acting up and watching Bojack is like hearing a echo of my own self negative talks. Thanks to the amazing writing and acting of the both of them I finally after 20 years of fighting this shit am seeking help and I have to say it feels really really good to talk about it.
These characters are more complex than most written characters period(no pun intended). This is a show we’ve needed for so long. Better late than never.
This hit so dam close to home NGL... The line "I'm a pit good things fall into" really hit me hard with how much i felt for her in this moment, sometimes i feel that way all the god dam fucking time...
Bojack had a lot to learn, and alot to be held accontable, but damn it, he was always trying. This is why is easy to just love him. He tries, he doesn't want to make mistakes, he wants to be good. And he does good, along with alot of shitty things And yeah, Diane and Bojack shouldn't be together... but in am still sad they didn't stayed in each others life
Ik a lot of people hate diane, but I could never hate her. Even when I disliked her contradictory nature and her inconsistencies, it was never more than a slight distaste, and I think the reason is because she reminds me of myself. I really want Diane to succeed, and I want her to be able to change because it gives me hope that I can too
@@Hamzakarim-1 100% agree with you. A lot of people hate these characters because of their flaws, but for me, their flaws are what make them very human.
I'm crying right now watching this. I broke up with my now ex-girlfriend and I miss her dearly and I want her back. I can relate to Diane and BoJack regarding both an inability to cry and flowing tears when I do cry. Thursday, December 29, 2022.
Knowing dang well I've had some similar reaction to Diane to some similar thing when she started crying, I burst out laughing. Not in ridicule, but in the light of some retrospect with the context of what it all meant and how things can turn out, and as if it were myself there. It can get better, guys. It gets better 💞
In my opinion, Diane should've never met Bojack Horseman. Cause Bojack, even if he did it unintentionally, dragged her down with him. He was the person she couldn't save, cause he thrashed and struggled
His trying to calm her down did not help at all. All he did say “WHOA” and understandably because he never learned to or even tried to learned to try to fix things.
happiness is in a box, locked with everything from wax to a fingerprint of a long dead priest, wrapped in ribbon wire, covered in salt and lemon juice on a steep climb with jagged glass, surrounded by an electrified moat and inside a safe, and when you finally open it, there's a gps coord to another one
Man, I'm shipping them SO HARD since last season. Since the beginning really, but seeing Mr PB and Diane's marriage crumble, and Bojack ever so slightly being better, while they briefly meet in the middle in key moments, it's just so good.
It takes someone like you to understand how you feel, but it takes someone different to complete you. Sad but true. I always feel that they love each other but know that they won't be happy together unless when they get balanced and healthy mentally. But that is like the whole season.
I literally have a crying breakdown session like Dianes with the same realisation every month and it always ends up with me sobbing either in my bed at 3am or in school or college while someone else try’s there best to comfort me knowing full well I’m the problem
I see Diane as someone who internalized the ethics of suspicion and got possessed by the ideology that there's always something malevolent behind everything
I think a change of environment will help, i thnk sge just needs to be around people that understand her and LA is definitely a place that lacks that, i would absolutely recommend NYC
We are all like jigsaw pieces. Most of the time we are surrounded by those we don't fit with but sometimes we come across those we can connect with. But even if they may not be from the same box and don't make the picture clearer, it at least proves to us that we aren't truly alone.
0:57 I felt this your just not in that place in your life where your allowed to have that freedom until you’ve finished or done what you needed to do in yours.
'Don't feel bad for feeling bad' is one of the nice things Hollyhock said her Dads tell her when she is feeling down. Bojack is learning :)
Kevtb87 I forgot that quote. Thanks for the reminder!
Wellp
nope, he's definitely not learning
Well..
@@BasileosHerodou you thinking what im thinking
One of the only "Will they, won't they" that I genuinely hope they never will.
Well you're in luck
@@aidanredding8058 Very in luck
They don’t. It’d be as toxic as the Rick and morty fandom if they did
They don’t. It’d be as toxic and huffing mixed chemicals if they did
@@nexus5253 ok we get your point
"Why can't I be happy? Am I busted?" I ask myself that everyday
Same
Yup
I cried when Diane said that.
I feel the feel, and im concerned
*sigh*
Yeah, me too
Strange how it took 4 seasons for the characters to actually just start... crying, you know?
Cedtim Bojack only takes 2
just like irl we all are in denial of our depression until we cant deny it anymore
Just took four solid seasons of us crying
Diane seems strong, I don't see it as any stretch to imagine that she held her emotions until completely breaking down. I think she got sad back in season 1 on the roof with bojack, but it's too long and I'm drunk so I'm not going to fact Check, my bad Senpai)
Princess carolyn took 3 seasons
Diane is so relatable. “You’re the biggest asshole I know; you’re the only thing that makes sense to me.” When you grow up in a bad home, even moving in with a happy family can make you feel worse and you’re more drawn to the wrong people.
Welp, save the happy people some time and energy and go be miserable by yourself if you can't make it work. Take responsibility and change, don't waste others people's times 🤷
@@6ANUR34DT81S that's what you've been doing all your life?
@@6ANUR34DT81Soh ok, its that simple then?
@@6ANUR34DT81S Okay I know you probably won't reply but Jesus you sound like an insensitive asshole
@@6ANUR34DT81SDamn, why hasn’t anyone thought of that before? They should give you a Noble Peace Prize, you’ve officially solved mental health, trauma and depression. Congratulations!
Diane suffers because of her unrealistic high expectations of herself and those around her. It’s true Diane has no support system. Her family is too preoccupied with themselves and they constantly mock and undermine Diane. A child in those circumstances will definitely develop low self-esteem. But that’s only part of her internal struggle. Diane is self-centered because she feels inadequate and that her life is purposeless. Diane’s moral compass is not enough for her to be happy. Doing good in the world doesn’t equal happiness. Or else every superhero would be happy. Take Daredevil or Batman for example. Diane is constantly searching exterior factors in order to feel satisfied or fulfilled. But marriage for her doesn’t work out and neither does helping a good cause. And she is passionate about writing, but that does not satisfy Diane either. Diane has to learn to compensate for this extreme idea of happiness and she needs that to be enough. The problem is that she is never happy with she has in front of her. She suffers with “the other side of grass is greener” syndrome. Diane thinks she needs to be doing great and big things to be happy but it’s really the small things she’s missing out. She fears so much of life not being enough, and that is results in her feeling empty. She needs to allow herself to be happy, knowing she will never be perfect and that life will not always go her way.
DD and Batman are fictional characters.
Not to mention no person could realistically imitate them so I think you need to include some more compelling evidence that helping people doesn’t lead to at least some measure of happiness.
@@aylix2137 Please take some thought to understand what your saying and what @O- L-D meant.
In the end they're actually all fictional characters (Including Diane) and the point of their struggles is to be at times relatable and character changing or even compelling to fit the narrative.
He simply used these example because of all superheroes those two specifically are some of the grittiest of their DC universe that struggle more behind the mask in the world they belong to whilst still on paper succeeding and saving the day time and time again.
This was all to hammer down on the point @
O- L-D made which was success in the world doesn't equal happiness.
Hey man this comment made my day.i was going through a life crisis.i got some vision
That was actually helpful for me, because i always think i wasn't enough but the reality is that i always wanted to be the best in everything. Now i'm just gonna focused on the thing i was very good at
Ouch. Thanks for calling me out like that
"You're the only thing that makes sense to me" this is Diane's problem in a nutshell. The thing about people who grew up in an abusive family is that they often can't learn how good life with good people is supposed to be like. They don't trust peace and love because it's unfamiliar to them. Mr Peanutbutter has faults of his own in his relationship with Diane, but perhaps this woman's most self-destructive impulse is to internally refuse the happyness she can have with him, as she will always feel attracted to "mean" people (like her ex who works at buzzfeed) and "total assholes" (like Bojack). Because misery is the only thing she can truly feel at home with.
Dominique Sunday great point
But she wasn't attracted to Bojack. Romantically I mean. There may be some truth to what you're saying but there are plenty of examples of people from abusive families settling down with a good life and people from "normal" families living in toxic environments. I mostly think it's her intelligence at fault tb, and her need for meaning. Never resting mind.
That's too much, man!
CommanderCalins1 i am not annoyed by diane's action in season 5. I actually like her even more because it shows that no matter how morally right a person can be, they can still be a flawed person. Everyone in this show is flawed one way or the other. Diane is no exception. But thats just my opinion
i love how Americans think they understand this show ...everything in the world must be "right" according to ur moral values ...all u guys do is attack bojack that is just childish, every body on this show is an asshole & bojack is the only one trying to get better so how is she or Peanutbutter better than him ?..also if she likes bojack that is because he isn't shallow & Bubbly all of the time ...she is a complicated person who needs someone as complicated who can understand her...i seriously think most people misunderstood the show
"...and even if I could get better, the best I could ever be is still just some other version of me."
This quote haunts me. I've grown a lot as a person over the last year and look back on who I was unfavorably, but in the back of my mind I know I'm still that old me, just a better version.
i get it, but nobody is born bad, everyone is just kind of nothing and shaped by their experiences. the fact that you are a better person in the first place is good, and just keep on trying to be good as best you can, thats all anyone can ask for tbh
Of course, how else you want self-improvement works? You can't change body or soul
I get this too so much
That used to haunt me. When I realized that's the only thing anyone could ever be, and also watched a lot of multiverse crap, I started imagining all the ways I could possibly be
Please tell me that while Bojack is improving to a better person that Diane is not going to spiral into what he used to be...
[Spoilers kind of I guess] As BoJack rises to be happy it seems like all the other characters are starting to spiral more into a shit hole at least except for Todd. Can't wait for season 5.
She won't, because Bojack will be there for her
Kegyetleneper Before I would have said no to that because Bojack flip flops between being a jerk and decent but this season shows that he is improving, albeit slowly. Wonder what will happen after Diane and Mr.Peanutbutter break up (it's going to happen) if Bojack will help her or will be too afraid.
I'm down for that. I watch Bojack to get depressed, not to laugh.
BoJack is a decades of fucked up life. No, she will not become BoJack
Diane is probably the most relatable character on this entire show, at least for me. Bojack doesn’t really speak to me personally because I’m not an addict or a celebrity, but Diane is basically my personality copy-pasted onto a TV show. The writing in this is really top-notch
Same.
Same. I study journalism and spent most of my 20s being an assistant and trying to write a book and not being enough or comfortable at any job.
I think I can relate to BoJack because of my BPD and my tendency with relationships
Same and princess caroline
sameeee
Jesus seeing Diane break down with all that inferiority pouring out of herself is simply gut wrenching.
"Why can't I be happy!?Am I busted!?".That line is like taking a knife and thrusting it into my heart.
She can't be happy bc she doesn't allow herself to be that's why she pushes Mr Peanutbutter away
@@user-vr8ve6rt9c Most of us are like that
Idk how people hate on Diane. She's literally like any of us. I felt her pain and her despair in this scene and it just felt so real to me. But you always got assholes that say "sHe tHinKs sHe'S betTeR tHaN eVeRyOnE" "sHe'S jUsT a StUpId fEmiNiSt" but will be okay with Bojack almost using a 17 year old for sex, leaving behind his outcasted gay friend, or Mr. Peanutbutter fucking up all his marriages.
Not to mention Bojack waiting 17 minutes before an ambulance for Sarah Lynn
I see this in all fandoms. People hating female characters that are opinionated and are just not some romanticized pixie girl or something.
I don't know how anyone could hate on Diane when Bojack is right front and center. Every character are flawed people, he's straight up an asshole. And that's like the whole point.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdomyou say that as if 2 people couldn't be bad people at the same time, now, they're not both equally bad, but you can still hate on your shitty neighbor even if there are shittier neighbors out there
I’m pretty sure *no one’s* ok with any of those
Dang, how did these two go from being this close and co-dependant to, uh, Mr. Blue?
Life happens? :( I do wish they could be together but...
I think its mostly Bojack's mistakes that really set diane away from him. Diane always had strong morals for right and wrong and bojack really had done some fucked up things that drove her away. But also, i think they needed someone who wasnt the "same" as them to help them get better. This is coming from someone who does really like bojack x diane but i know that realistically it wasnt meant to be
That's how romance works.
You can't go for someone who doesn't have enough in common with you (that was what went wrong with Mr. Peanutbutter), and you can't go for someone who is too much like you either (that's why she and Bojack were never a thing).
Even in the Mr Blue scene, you can see they still have strong feelings for one another. The reason they stop talking is because they know if they continue their friendship, or pursue a relationship, although they would probably be happy, they'd also be the eye of a category 5 tornado, destroying everything around them
Bojack scared Diane with his final call and it was the last straw for her, on top of the many things that made her feel weird being friends with Bojack. Regardless of whether or not they'd be great as friends or as romantic partners, the damage was done and Diane wanted to move on. She may still care for Bojack (which she does) but she doesn't want him in her life anymore and understandably so. Sometimes, you just can't stay with someone when they've hurt you so much... it doesn't matter if they become better because, by the time it happens, you'll want to leave.
Awww, I never noticed that he smiles at the end.
Robogabriel i didn't see that smile too
Because the thing that makes Bojack happiest is feeling needed and wanted, same reason why Hollyhock made him smile so honestly on the phone.
Seeing little details like Bojack telling Diane “don’t feel bad about feeling bad “ which is a callback to something one of hollyhock’s dad’s would tell her, is what makes this show great. Subtleties of character growth and lessons learnt from each other. Basic things that once you really notice them add such depth to the story.
"I'm a pit that good things fall into!"
That quote hits home. Feeling like you're only hurting your loved ones with your depression and not feeling worthy of connecting with new people because you're scared you'll drain and drag them down to your level. It makes it so hard to reach out for help when doing so makes you feel like a burden, so you settle with toxic habits and relationships because you feel like you don't deserve better.
Couldn't have said it better
What makes Diane a complex character is that even though she had a dysfunctional family and she’s been battling depression throughout her life, she’s always tried to be the best person she can be. She’s a woman of action. She’s tried to be a reliable friend and a great wife. But it’s just like Stefani said: she puts herself on a unrealistically high standard. And she doesn’t recognize that she’s human and is allowed to be imperfect. So
when she fails she gives in to her depression and becomes someone unrecognizable.
Some mentally ill people are too aware of the impact they have on other people and thus have to work harder to seem functional and bury their problems. Diane’s one of those people.
But it’s good to see Diane telling Bojack that she can’t wait for him to be better for him to be in her life. She’s one of the few people who accepts and forgives Bojack’s flaws. She will never forget the impact his show had on her life, and he’s always been the friend she needed when she was at her worse moment.
It feels like Bojack is looking into a crying, boozy, runny-makeup mirror in this scene. Bojack and Diane are basically the same person. he's telling Diane she's not a pit, but he knows he's lying, and he knows he's a pit too. the only difference is that he gets better as the season goes on, whereas Diane gets worse.
The interesting thing how badly people can change. They say the ones most reliant on their parents become the most independent when they grow up, and this is interesting to see that. BoJack started off bad, and I mean BAD, but as he continues, he is starting to improve, because before, he saw life as nothing but shit, and himself as nothing but shit, but as he comes into contact with good things, he is starting to change his persective, and improving.
Diane is kinda the opposite. She starts off optimistic and believing she can change for the better (remember, she is a Zoe) but as she starts coming into contact with the awful things in her life, (I won't say BoJack because he hasn't hurt her like the others), Cordovia, Hank Hippopolus, gun rights failing hardcore, she learns that she can't change the world like she wants, and that is hurting her, damaging her until she ends up not believing anything matters anymore.
The dynamics in this series are really interesting.
tiggle5485 i kinda afraid we ll see diane commit suicide in later episodes
It's not that she wants to change the world, it's that she wants to be someone who's good enough to do this after the hell she went through in her youth. She wanted to be worth a damn and it kills her that it's not that simple. She's also like Princess Carolyn in this regard.
Weirdly enough it is Dianne who gets better and gets her happy ending at the end of the show while bojack keeps falling into the same self-destructive patterns even after making fresh starts several times
@@pratyushapan7164 just like what he said in the eulogy, "you can't have happy endings in sitcoms, not really, because, if everyone's happy, the show would be over"
The beginning of her cry is either one of the best, or worst cases of voice acting, but ill side with best. That was so raw. Her emotions spilled out, no attempt to contain it. I'm not proud of it, but I've completely broken down drunk many times and that depicts it so well. Props to the voice actress, so many props. (I should add that just hearing her cry makes me tear up, which makes me a "bitch", but unfortunately that's a flaw with humans)
Just wanna add a reply to mention that I've been in this comment section for awhile, taking a shot for every 2 replies, and I think I'm about to puke. But cheers! If there's one thing bojack teaches us, it's that alcohol solves your problems (till you wake up, but who thinks that far?)
Why would her acting be one of the worst anyway? I don't hear anything bad about it at all.
It's great voice acting, and it is extremely realistic. But it's extremely cringy because that's how drunk crying sounds so some people (not me) might call it bad because it makes them extremely uncomfortable
No shit. Allison Brie did an amazing job for this scene. I wonder how many times they had to do the take, plus I can only imagine she actually had to break down in the studio to hit this level of ridiculous raw crying.
@@LoUdAsSaSsin9999 you deserve a sub
At 0:38 when Bojack sighs he sighs like a horse lol.
nah that's just will arnett's voice
He is a horse LoL
"You strike me, as a woman who's never been satisfied."
your like me. Im never satisfied.
Is that right?
+Midnightblink
I've never been satisfied
My name is angelica schyuler
Chippy where's your family from?
Don't cry Diane, crying is stupid.
dont let your womanly emotions get the better of you.
NO PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN
Now don't cry, what does that solve?
@@PlanetZoidstar everything, its also comforting and wonderful to cry, period. shh
@@cultwebs you didn't watch the show did you
“Why can’t I be happy?”
I feel that way all the time and I’ve asked myself that question more than I care to admit.
“Am I busted?”
Some how 8 words but really got me going and got me thinking about my own life and why I simply can’t just be “happy”.
Same with you about asking yourself that question more times than you can admit. Like it doesn’t matter what you’re doing (ex: grocery shopping, doing homework, hanging with friends, watching your favorite RUclipsr, etc), you still can’t figure out why you’re not happy and it fucking sucks.
Sorry honestly, a bit drunk and always turn to Bojack Horseman clips for some reason
I think seeing Diane like this was an important part of BoJack's character arc this season. He needed to be better before seeing her because he thought that she was the only smart person in his life who was happy. Turns out she isn't satisfied with her life, even though it looks good from the outside. In the past this would have signaled that he should try to hook up with her, but I think HollyHock's influence kept him from doing that in this moment.
Season 4 is masterfully done, and the subtlety re: who does what thing in what order makes it seem like it's the only way they coyuld have happened. I wonder if the writers meant that to be a repudiation of absurdist thought or their assertion that in an absurd world devoid of meaning, serendipity can still occur and it means that much more because it was just happy coincidence.
"... and the best I could ever be is still just some other version of me.", because he is Bojack Horseman. There's no cure for that.
I want a friend like Diane who loves me regardless of all the shitty aspects of myself and loves me unconditionally.
Anyone who can look at that scene and feel envy is just as broken as Bojack and Diane. That above scenario is NOT healthy. Diane literally says that Bojack only makes sense to her because he's an utter asshole. Only someone as fucked up as Bojack could ever take that as a compliment.
@@JimmySteller interestingly enough, he doesn’t take it as a compliment
@@JimmySteller Psychoanalyse this: 8========D, Sigmund Fraud.
@@JimmySteller Yes I am that broken
@@pn2294 Yes he does, he smiles after Diane says it.
I love this scene. I love how this show speaks to people. Conventional storylines made us believe that only happy endings are worth shit and you have to be someone pretty special to earn it. This show values the stories of imperfect, broken people on seemingly endless journeys of self-improvement. People who are more like us than we'd like to admit.
So this is what CRY-ane is like.
Esparza Cartoons "Why do we watch this video everyday!"
*thats mad wicked pisser, deedee*
*It was wicked messed up*
“The best version I could ever be is only another version of me”
Season 6 alludes to this. Bojack is getting help, becoming much better, but his past mistakes are still there and he can’t run from them forever, even if he actually became better.
“I can’t wait for you to be better. I need you in my life.”
I know exactly how that clawing desperation feels. Finding someone in an empty place who you think truly knows how to care for you. Being so terrified of losing them, of being left alone that you cling onto them for dear life. Even if that care becomes less and less, even if they treat you awfully, even if distance is the only thing that could possibly help your relationship, you’re just too scared. It’s horrifying.
Then you find your fears coming true. And it’s the worst and the best thing that ever happened to you.
Diane feels like such a real chararter. Like a real life woman
in a way, diane and bojack are the same. they both try to be happy but no matter what good things come their way its still not enough.
One difference Bojack wants happiness Diane just can't stop staying sad.
Rigor Berzerk 💯 agree
1:20 : Seeing Diane like this, getting closer to BoJack, boy oh boy did it make my heart melt …
“Why can’t I be happy? Am I busted?” I hate how much I relate to that sentence
It's amazing seeing the characters' development through watching this scene and the final scene of the entire show.
Man I relate to this so hard. No matter what I have going for me in my life, I feel like nothing will ever fill that emptiness. :(
Aaaaand on today's episode of "Diane being the most relatable fictional character ever..."
Diane's voice actor is amazing
The one and only Alison Brie! Legend.
@Frakow
Wait, what?
@Frakow that's not why she regrets voicing diane
Having struggled with depression and an adjustment disorder for most of my adult life, this hits very close to home. All the time I ask myself whether or not I'm a burden to people, whether certain individuals (I don't even neccessarily care all that much about) like me and if not, how I can change that. On bad days, I see myself as unique in the worst possible way, as a human specimen that was bred specifically to fail and make others unhappy. Simply being myself and feeling unapologetic and sincere about the person I truly am is a horrifying and alien concept to me, and I constantly think of myself as a burden to my friends, family and loved ones no matter what I do. Bojack's advice of "don't feel bad about feeling bad" is actually very helpful, becauce it takes a lot of emotional maturity and personal responsibility to realize that you're not the probem in a situation like this, it's the people who can't accept you the way you are. Really makes me appreciate the show even more.
“I can’t believe im crying this is so dumb” this is just... picture perfect. Cherry on top
Bojack and Diane's friendship reminds me of me and my best female friend. This clip got me thinking, that these two characters love each other, and so do we. Not the boyfriend/girlfriend kind of "I luv u" but also not the average bromance. It's a kind of love that make you care so much for the other that when they're sad, you get sad and do everything in your power to cheer them up, not just because of decent humanity but because it breaks your heart to see them cry.
Now I've fallen IN LOVE with this girl a year ago and it didn't end well, but after half a year of her not talking to me, she couldn't stand not talking with me and I felt the same way.
Although it went wrong for me to go for her, I need to say that these kinds of friends are the type of people that you should go for, cause they don't just like the idea of being with you, they like the actual you.
I was so worried Diane was going to have an affair with bojack in this episode.
Nah I never got that. Platonic male female affection is distinct to romantic/sexual affection, but very different to female-female affection and male-male affection
i was surprised that peanut butter wasn’t questioning them when they both come out of the blanket
@@speedbird1598 same I always interpreted this platonically
This voice acting gives me chills.
The voice acting in this show is so good! 👌🏻
I love all the interactions between my two favorite characters in the show. They are real soulmates.
This scene alone portrayed depression better than the entirety of 13 Reasons Why
I feel bojack in this so much disappearing to try and be better but you realize you’ll never change no matter how hard you try you’ll still be just another version of you and it’ll never be enough :/
The interesting thing how badly people can change. They say the ones most reliant on their parents become the most independent when they grow up, and this is interesting to see that. BoJack started off bad, and I mean BAD, but as he continues, he is starting to improve, because before, he saw life as nothing but shit, and himself as nothing but shit, but as he comes into contact with good things, he is starting to change his persective, and improving.
Diane is kinda the opposite. She starts off optimistic and believing she can change for the better (remember, she is a Zoe) but as she starts coming into contact with the awful things in her life, (I won't say BoJack because he hasn't hurt her like the others), Cordovia, Hank Hippopolus, gun rights failing hardcore, she learns that she can't change the world like she wants, and that is hurting her, damaging her until she ends up not believing anything matters anymore.
The dynamics in this series are really interesting.
this aged badly. u tried tho
I feel just like Diane: when I get something i wish it doesn't fill me and I feel miserable. Am I dead inside?
Seeing Diane cry absolutely shatters my heart
Rue and Bojack They are the only two TV characters that legit break my heart at least once an episode. I can't watch Rue without my own anxiety acting up and watching Bojack is like hearing a echo of my own self negative talks. Thanks to the amazing writing and acting of the both of them I finally after 20 years of fighting this shit am seeking help and I have to say it feels really really good to talk about it.
albin hasani thank you for posting this.this is one of my fave moments of this season
0:11 This was her breakthrough, as dark as it was. Most people go their entire lives without admitting this.
with no one to reach out to, this show makes me feel seen and less lonely.
Whoever you are, you're loved and you matter ❤
One of the most relatable scenes..and also one of my favorite episodes.
I was in such a bad place when i watched this show financially, physically, emotionally.. that when Diane said "am i busted?!" I fell apart.
The way Bojack uses “dont feel bad about feeling bad” from when Hollyhock said her dads said it and made her feel better
These characters are more complex than most written characters period(no pun intended). This is a show we’ve needed for so long. Better late than never.
That moment when you see yourself in TV series.
This hit so dam close to home NGL...
The line "I'm a pit good things fall into" really hit me hard with how much i felt for her in this moment, sometimes i feel that way all the god dam fucking time...
But in the end what Diane said in her last sentence proved to be wrong. And Diane finally understood.
Bojack had a lot to learn, and alot to be held accontable, but damn it, he was always trying. This is why is easy to just love him. He tries, he doesn't want to make mistakes, he wants to be good. And he does good, along with alot of shitty things
And yeah, Diane and Bojack shouldn't be together... but in am still sad they didn't stayed in each others life
Anyone else just reminded of what Charlotte told Bojack about pits?
This show is amazing but very hard to sit through. The line “Am I busted?!” had me clenching my teeth.
This is way too fucking relatable right here, I swear to fucking god, it hurts me so much.
I hate myself now. Fuck.
Ik a lot of people hate diane, but I could never hate her. Even when I disliked her contradictory nature and her inconsistencies, it was never more than a slight distaste, and I think the reason is because she reminds me of myself. I really want Diane to succeed, and I want her to be able to change because it gives me hope that I can too
I never hated diane, but i dont like how many people hate on mr PB just because he's so positive and looks at the bright side all the time
@@Hamzakarim-1 100% agree with you. A lot of people hate these characters because of their flaws, but for me, their flaws are what make them very human.
can't express in words how much i love this part and these two.. :')
Depression really makes you see awful things as completely necessary for your continued existence.
I'm crying right now watching this. I broke up with my now ex-girlfriend and I miss her dearly and I want her back. I can relate to Diane and BoJack regarding both an inability to cry and flowing tears when I do cry.
Thursday, December 29, 2022.
“Why can’t I be happy, am I busted?!”
Damn that is relatable
Bojack goes through all of season 4 accidently making people feel bad and having to comfort them
Knowing dang well I've had some similar reaction to Diane to some similar thing when she started crying, I burst out laughing. Not in ridicule, but in the light of some retrospect with the context of what it all meant and how things can turn out, and as if it were myself there. It can get better, guys. It gets better 💞
When I first saw this scene, I thought she was going to sleep with Bojack and Mr. PeanutButter walks in on them lol.
All this time, i see the pit from the outside/above perspective.
Now i see it from the inside/below... Hoo boy.
0:16 this will forever haunt me. that's a powerful voice performance
I want to give Diane a hug.
Not calling people because you’re waiting until you’re “better” is the reason I only have short-term friendships….
I wish those two could have been better for eachother more often, because then you get scenes like this masterpiece.
At least she had breakthrough.
she's not a pit, she's a beautiful salad bowl
Why is this so damn realistic in a way
In my opinion, Diane should've never met Bojack Horseman. Cause Bojack, even if he did it unintentionally, dragged her down with him. He was the person she couldn't save, cause he thrashed and struggled
I feel ashamed how I sometimes can't be happy when I am "luckier" than other people, like how Diane does here.
"She's too functional."
Well shit that didn't last long did it?
His trying to calm her down did not help at all. All he did say “WHOA” and understandably because he never learned to or even tried to learned to try to fix things.
Who would he have learned how to comfort someone from? His parents?
Her telling him "I can't wait for you to be better" immediately makes me burst into tears
happiness is in a box, locked with everything from wax to a fingerprint of a long dead priest, wrapped in ribbon wire, covered in salt and lemon juice on a steep climb with jagged glass, surrounded by an electrified moat and inside a safe, and when you finally open it, there's a gps coord to another one
Man, I'm shipping them SO HARD since last season. Since the beginning really, but seeing Mr PB and Diane's marriage crumble, and Bojack ever so slightly being better, while they briefly meet in the middle in key moments, it's just so good.
It wouldn't work out they bring the worst out of each other
It takes someone like you to understand how you feel, but it takes someone different to complete you. Sad but true. I always feel that they love each other but know that they won't be happy together unless when they get balanced and healthy mentally. But that is like the whole season.
r/agedlikemilk
Depression isn’t a pit, Diane. Depression is a ladder.
Ah man I rlly love these two
I literally have a crying breakdown session like Dianes with the same realisation every month and it always ends up with me sobbing either in my bed at 3am or in school or college while someone else try’s there best to comfort me knowing full well I’m the problem
I’m a pit that good things fall into haunts me to this day
I see Diane as someone who internalized the ethics of suspicion and got possessed by the ideology that there's always something malevolent behind everything
I think a change of environment will help, i thnk sge just needs to be around people that understand her and LA is definitely a place that lacks that, i would absolutely recommend NYC
We are all like jigsaw pieces. Most of the time we are surrounded by those we don't fit with but sometimes we come across those we can connect with. But even if they may not be from the same box and don't make the picture clearer, it at least proves to us that we aren't truly alone.
diane is so real for that tho
At the end of everything, hold onto anything.
Imagine if they had somehow gotten together... They would have made each other even more miserable.
I love Diane so much
I love the way she says "Am I busted?". Cracks me up every time. xD
0:57
I felt this your just not in that place in your life where your allowed to have that freedom until you’ve finished or done what you needed to do in yours.