@@Rockleefan3 it was right for the truth to be told. We root for bojack because he's the protagonist and so we spend more time with his thoughts and feelings than anyone in the show, but this doesn't justify his orribile actions and he shouldn't get away with them. That's the point of the show, everyone is flawed and actions have consequences...
Unfortunately people are too stupid to understand that these characters aren't good. They see a dude like Bojack, or Rick and think "lul thats so goals, i NEED to be like them they are so cool" and the idiots dont even understand how shitty it has to be for those characters. You arent suppose to want to be like them. Yet some fuck faces cant see that
Jack The Ripper Rick sucks, but he at least portrays wisdom and intelligence. Bojack has no real redeeming qualities lol I dont think anyone wants to be bojack
Jack the Ripper. I mean, I love those problematic characters cause I found them relatable, but I never thought anyone would want to be like them. Like isn't it obvious that they were protrayed as moraly wrong characters, how can people not see that? You can love and enjoy those characters, but if you idolize them, you miss the point
@@CrystalRose1111 Bojack does have redeeming qualities. He's real and honest, and he's someone that thinks things through a lot. I'm not saying he's a good person, but he's definitely better than a lot of people in real life.
@@JackTheripper911 woah, i don't think anyone wants to BE these characters. They relate to them, they feel less alone, and that's not a bad thing, someone that's already as low as Bojack or Rick needs something like that to latch onto. That's why we're happy when Bojack succeeds and gets better, because we want to be better too. It turns bad when someone refuses to change.
The fact that MPB was actually aware on how people see him despite the happy character personality he's doing, is actually a shock, he's not dumb and happy who doesnt know people are laughing at him dumb, he actually knows people are laughing or joking about him about how innocent he is
It's called masking and that's usually what people who think divergently like we know we are aware we know the people that do hurt as we know the people that are going to hurt us but we still are nice to them we still care more abt how they are feelin cuz we actually feel like shit but we are just trying to either not make anyone else in a better mood or light up there mood make them happy cuz we feel like our feelings are not as important than others so a lot of ppl think we are happy but we are not we are the most loneliest because we legit change our personalities to satisfy others to the point that eventually once we are alone we do not know ourself or we like to fantasize a lots of reading a lot of fun things or just imagine a different place universe like Mr. peanut butter is here he has his own show where he pretends everything is great in life and so that is the reality we legit escape on we legit be going to a place in our brains were we are happy cuz once we are with ppl it's so exhausting and mentally just trying to make people happy even if you ask for it or not cuz we don't care abt ourself we hate ourself we will make sure that person is at least less sad even if we had it worst we are just that low on ourselves it's really exhausting because we legit or not trying to put the attention on ourselves we are just trying to make everyone happy cuz we are people pleasers and in reality we do not matter we do not value ourselves and we will legit be the first ones to wanna fucking jump in front of a car in order to save someone because I value peoples lives more than myself and that is on childhood trauma that is on my parents victimizing themselves that is on people always making me feel bad if I choose some thing I want to do and all those years old that time I was a kid it broke me and this is how I am now and that's how a lot of us are now we are divergent thinkers and we are people pleasers and we are Mr. peanut butter and a lot of people hate Mr. peanut butter but we hate ourselves too
This is honestly one of my favorite scenes in the entire show, and it shows Mr Peanutbutter is monumentally more complex than people give him credit for. “You think I don’t notice?” recontextualizes every time Mr Peanutbutter seems ‘too dumb to be sad’. Because he says outright that he knows bad things happen, that he knows how Bojack treats him. He understands reality. But that’s never stopped him from being happy. From being hopeful. I also think that him forgiving Bojack is hugely underrated. Because Bojack Horseman isn’t a show where characters just forget and forgive. I mean.. look at Herb. Look at Todd. Characters in this show don’t forgive people unless they mean it, because this show doesn’t have to cater to its audience wanting things to turn out good. But Mr Peanutbutter does forgive Bojack. Because even though Bojack is “a stupid piece of shit,” “a selfish coward,” and “a tar pit,” Mr Peanutbutter chooses to see the good in him. Like Mr Peanutbutter chooses to see the good in everything. I think that’s really significant
To be fair though, it should be pointed out that Wanda pressured him into forgiving bojack, so it's up for debate how genuine it is. Of course I would still argue its mostly genuine, as as far as I remember there are no hints of him not actually forgiving him in future episodes.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 Considering the “Looks like you’re finally getting your crossover episode” and how he let Bojack live with him before and presumed after jail, I would say Mr. Peanutbutter not only forgave Bojack, but went on and became his best friend.
i think the saddest thing about that is that it's because mr peanutbutter is a labrador. almost all other characters are given human depth and comprehension beyond their species, but mr peanutbutter is far more similar to his real life counterpart than any other on the show. of course he forgives bojack, he's loyal. of course he doesn't grow with his partners, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. he can tell when he's being mistreated, as many animals do, but he lives his life in a series of barely-connected moments of joy or anger or disappointment and doesn't spare a second to ever look back or forward. this isn't humanly possible, and i think that's the point the writers were trying to make with his character - only a dog could spend all those years being mistreated and still stick with bojack
I love Mr. Peanut Butter, one of the most misunderstood and complex characters in the show, and each season seems to peel back a layer. A major reason I love bojack horseman is they don't rush anything, it unravels slowly. And it completely goes a different direction when u think its going the other direction.
I think the problem with Mister Peanutbutter is that while he means well, he doesn't expect to have to work hard if his heart's in the right place. Hence his offering to hear out Bojack when Bojack says he needs a friend, and then as soon as Bojack starts talking he turns around and talks to someone else. Also (spoilers) he shows his true colors when he proposes to Pickles after sleeping with Diane.
I love that it started with Salinger ranting about reaching the depths of humanity, then pitches a game show, then the game show proceeds to reach the depths of humanity lol
I remember when my boyfriend told me “People hate MPB because they all wish they could be as happy as him and never could, so they resent him for it and love Bojack because Bojack represents theyre own self hatred and therefore justify his actions” and I was like “aww damn ur right”
@Charlse Elliot Eh, the cheating, sure, but the show before that went out of it’s way to show that Mr. Peanutbutter really wasn’t the best guy. The guy went through two wives already, and while they’re portrayed to be scummy, Mr. Peanutbutter was always a self centered, forgetful, disingenuous manchild. Although, the show didn’t do a very good job at articulating that, as many of those moments were played up for laughs because, “Lol, he is dog.”
This episode was the best of Mr. Peanutbutter ever in all 3 seasons. I wish they developed this side of him as a good listener for Bojack. Dogs are actually very good listeners. You can tell them all your problems in life and they'll never judge you.
Mr Peanutbutter is one of the best characters of the entire show, i mean, he know that life doesn't have a purpose, but he is happy anyway (sorry for my english, i'm from chile and we talk in spanish)
I think its a bit disappointing that most viewers don't notice that Mr. Peanutbutter also has some serious problems himself just because he happens to be a nice and sociable person and a lovable animal. He is in serious denial about all of his problems. This was a major point of his visit with his brother where he can't even talk to his brother about important issues because he is aggressively in denial about anything being wrong. "Fill your life with meaningless things and then eventually you'll die," isn't supposed to be him "being real", its a big warning sign about his outlook. He isn't invested in anything enough to take anything seriously or do anything meaningful.
Considering nobody HAS to like you, thats a fucking problem you should fix. "Why dont you like me" that kind of shit leads to abusive relationships. A NEED to be liked by specific people is disturbing, ridiculous, and down right psychopathic in nature. Essentially going "omg this is like so me" really shows you dont understand that being these things, is not "goals". It bad.
@@JackTheripper911 it most definitely does not. You're just reading into things. If you think the mere desire to be liked is a psycopathic sentiment, that says a lot more about you than it does the person you're replying to
@@kalkazar13 i said the "NEED" to be liked by "Specific" people. Not just anyone. Next time don't leave shit out to try an make your "point" seem more valid because its not. Nobody OWES you their friendship or what one consideres "being liked" by said person. You are literally not obligated to be friends or like ANYONE, and if somehow you cannot handle that something about you, repels that person. Then maybe you have your answer there. Being self absorbed doesnt help. So you can read this as slow as you need until its understood. Nobody is required to like you, because you're you. Get over it.
I'm glad in the end of the show Mr Peanut Butter realised that he has to love himself and be alone in order to be better, rather than relying on a relationship to make him happy.
The fact that bojack cannot understand that Diane told mr. P.B. about the kiss really points out how self centered he is, believing he Is the main charachter in everything and still is delusional about a special relationship made of a secret not-spoken love WITH A MARRIED WOMAN. Man bojack really is the incarnation of modern adult Peter Pan.
reminds me of him trying to prevent the wedding since he didn't want it to happen so clearly that meant it was an objectively bad thing (a 'mistake', i think he said). i don't know if it speaks more to a superiority complex or trust issues that every emotion he feels he interprets as objective facts about the universe, tbh
She told him immediately and pb has been keeping silent because he loves his friends but Bojack is divorced enough from reality to think he "got away"with something
This comment is a bit much. It could be he just wasn’t expecting someone to speak of such a scandalous, hurtful, embarrassing thing. Let sleeping dogs lie kinda thing.
When Mr Peanutbutter said what else can the universe owe BoJack, I realise that on the outside, people always feel that if you are lucky to have certain privileges, you automatically have no excuse to be unhappy with your life. And that made it harder for BoJack to come to terms with the damage his mom brought to him, because he is supposed to be satisfied by having much more than other people, despite not having the emotional healing that he truly needed instead.
"Should we cut to commercial?" "Would Homer cut away from Odysseus' journey just as he was being enticed by the siren's song?" "...No?" "Well, there you are." XD This is one of the smartest shows I've seen in years.
sato I took a Drama class back in my junior year of high school and I not only learned about the Odyssey, but I also got to see the 1990’s miniseries that aired on NBC
I love when Bojack's voice just cracks when he says, "I want to feel good about myself." That just adds a whole new layer on Bojack himself. He's just so desperate to want to feel good about himself but he just doesn't know how. I'm glad they kept that in the recording, that just made the impact so much better.
Frankly, I find Mr. Peanutbutter's need to be liked disturbing. There's something almost pathological about a man - well, dog - who insists on trying to be friends with someone who clearly dislikes him even after that person tried to kiss his wife.
This is something that the new season dug deeper at, and it seems in season 6 this personality flaw is going to drag him down, and it will not be pretty to say the least. Mr. Peanutbutter evidently cannot be alone, and with each failed marriage it's becoming more painfully obvious that he needs something, or rather, someone to continually validate his existence and worth. In his relationships, he is more concerned with putting on a show of love rather than actually loving his partner. Hence, his obsession with grand, over-the-top gestures, which he has come to believe earns him brownie points with his partner. He isn't malevolent in this, mind you, but it seems he enters relationships for the wrong reasons, and the fact he is constantly throwing himself in the mix, be it at his parties, or some new gig, shows that he can't simply be content with himself. He needs to prove to himself and others that he can be loved.
@Instrumentality1000 That is very highlighted when both address their issues about their death parents to the crew. BJ wanted contention but refused to admitted he wanted people to care about him and the dead of his mother, so he told everyone that he don't want attention because of that, while MPB told everyone that because his mother died he wanted all the love and support he could have from the crew. Both wanted the same but their means to obtain what they want are different.
Stamboul Man, or in this case dogs, cannot fight his nature. It is the nature of dogs to crave attention, to need love and affection. And at the end of the day, Mr. Peanut-butter, for all his human trappings and likenesses, is still a dog.
Honestly, both characters are correct and in the wrong at the same time. Bojack is right to be annoyed at Mr. Peanutbutter’s constant attempts to be his friend, even when he’s not interested. It’s not like his disinterest is hidden, either. However, Mr. Peanutbutter isn’t wrong to point out that much of Bojack’s misery is his own fault and that, despite everything he has, he chooses to continue to wallow in self-pity. Of course, this does negate the mental scars that Bojack’s abusive past caused, but, even so, Mr. Peanutbutter isn’t wrong that Bojack chooses to be miserable, instead of bettering himself.
I get where Bojack is coming from, Nothing matters if you dont have inner peace. You could be given every single thing you desire but you'll never enjoy or love any of it unless you have inner peace
To have Mr.Peanytbutter admit Bojack is hurting him its both refreshing and heartbreaking. On one hand its good he finally shows his true emotions on the other you gotta think how hurt he is to finally lash out
I really wish the show developed mr peanutbutter more, this moment was the best Mr peanutbetter scene in the whole series, I truly think if we had more moments like this, Mr peanutbutter would have been so much more interesting
I agree. He was really interesting in seasons 1-3, but they sort of just dumbed him down from seasons 4-6. He always sort of seemed like some who was hiding his own shit behind some facade, but the show decided not go in that direction and just made him stupid.
Todd was also another character I wish had gotten more development. He started off as a kid who was insecure and lacked purpose unless he was busy going off on his Todd shenanigans. In the Chicken 4 Dayz episode in season 2, Todd was going through some existential crisis where he felt like his life was purposeless and phoned PC to ask her to give him some direction in life. It was a really interesting aspect of his character, but I felt like once they started to focus more on his asexuality, characteristics like that were glossed over. I feel like they also wanted to do more with Todd and Emily but sort of just buried it under the sand when they couldn’t figure out how to develop them more. They tried again in Season 5 to expand on it, but seemed to exist for the sole purpose of reminding us that character exists rather than doing something with her. Ralph also seemed to just fade into obscurity without much explanation or growth. They brought him back again as well in season 5 for a brief episode that lead to pretty much nothing happening that was relevant to the plot. I feel like from Seasons 4-6 the writing for the side characters got messy since the writers didn’t seem to know what they wanted to do with them. Which is why I felt their arcs in season 6 felt rushed.
@@jinxthatsme2317 I'm honestly a little tired of the "he sounds like a happy guy but is hiding his emptiness behind a facade" thing I think he turned out to be really interesting because it shows how one can be actually happy but still toxic in their own ways. He constantly seeks for validation and comfort in relationships and trying to make everybody like him because he feels happy that way, but that oftenly turns people away
"I want to feel good about myself, the way you do, and I don't know how. I don't know if I can." I have struggled with depression for years, and this line hit very close to home.
1:29 This was the moment where Mr. Peanutbutter became a great character in my eyes. Seriously though. Cutting out Bojack's apology at the end is a huge disservice. The way Will Arnett delivered that line ("I'm sorry, Mr. Peanutbutter. I can't tell you how sorry I am") was just heartbreaking.
Watching the entire series it's hard to feel bad for Bojack. PB is right here, he's given every opportunity to be happy and ends up using or killing those who care for him. His own ego meant more to him and worse, he became his father. Despite everything PB stood by him.
I'll never forget how good of a show this was. Tackling the fact that despite he has it all he's depressed. Money really isnt everything if youre cold and bitter inside. Just love it.
Bojack protecting his ears from the rain is such a subtle touch of real horse behavior. Like the time he said he’s scared of plastic bags in the wind. I never noticed this before and I don’t even know if it’s intentional, but I choose to believe it is.
"All I ever wanted was to be your friend. And you treat me like a big Joke" Ooh MrPB you are too good for this world... Actually he could've made the great best friend of Bojack after Herb.
2:03 Hearing Bojack saying that broke my heart cuz I feel exactly the same way as he is All of my friends are very positive about themselves and very optimistic whereas for me,I’m just very negative I never thought of myself as a good person. I always felt like I’m a worthless/useless person or at some point,a nobody. As if I’m a hollow body that has no soul in it But for my friends,they’re always cheerful,optimistic,cracking jokes everywhere,feeling proud about themselves and overall,just very positive..... And I...am nothing like that Maybe that’s why I’m so different to them
There are two parts in this season that show Mister Peanutbutter is not as stupid as he seems to be. This scene is one of them and the other is in the finale when he sees Diane at the restaurant. But in both cases he chooses to not hold a grudge because that’s just the kind of person he is. He’s not ignorant of everything all the time nor is he incapable of feeling hurt. But no matter what he always chooses to be the nice guy and be on as positive terms with everybody as he possibly can and that’s very admirable
One of my favourite moments. It's so surprising yet interesting seeing a character like Mr. Peanutbutter, someone so happy and charismatic, get so serious and indignant. I'm also really glad we didn't see Mr. Peanutbutter abruptly switch to sympathetising with Bojack because even though Bojack has his issues and it's sad, it doesn't take back what he did and how it affects others. The reveal of why Bojack mistreats Mr. Peanutbutter, because he's happy and Bojack's jealous of that, was also amazing. Bojack and Mr. Peanutbutter really were great foils to each other and great characters in general.
Love how Mr Peanutbutter points out how Bojack has every reason to be happy, but then there’s his mother’s phone call reminding him how none of that will make him whole, he was born broken, and there’s no cure to what he has.
I was hoping to find a good video on RUclips for the scene leading up to this. I mean, I can access it on Netflix too, but I was wondering if anyone knew of a good video where Mr. Peanutbutter was making a complete fool out of Bojack.
Will arnet made me laugh as Lego Batman but made me cry as bojack horseman. Fucking great actor I don't know why he's in those stupid ass Michael bay ninja turtle movies
I love mr PB, he is my fav character. And this episode is obviously one of the best in a whole series. The way PB talking to BoJack in this scene got my heart. This is one of this rare scenes where PB put off his "good boyo" mask and he shows that he is as hard and tragic character as BoJack or Diane or etc. He just wanna be a good friend, good boyfriend, good husband, but no one taking his attemps in a serious way. For everyone around he is just stupid and naive. But that's totally false. He understand everything that surrounds him and being misunderstood hurts him. I was absolutely broken when PB was told to forgive BoJack only cause this situation was on the show. But he just want to have a friend, who really can understand him
When I first saw this episode and Mr Peanutbutter said "Oh, you want to get into things?" I knew shit was gonna get real! The writing on this show is top teir!
What’s actually interesting is when Bojack questions how did mr peanutbutter know he kissed Diane. Mr peanut butter is sarcastic to this question with his answers but tells him that HIS WIFE told him. While the two weren’t compatible, they weren’t cruel to each other. They did try to be a good honest couple because that’s what a good marriage does. Bojack COULDNT EVEN understand this. He THOUGHT Diane didn’t tell mr peanutbutter. Because that’s what a person trying to avoid problems would do. Bojack can’t get what a good marriage is and what good morals are because of himself and his fucked up role models in his youth.
Another detail I found surprising about this was how despite him knowing all this time and also fully knowing how much Bojack slates at him, he still considers him a “good friend”
This scene is like a parent (Mr Peanut Butter) trying to get through to some kid (BoJack) that's been deliberately breaking shit and hurting people for nothing more than attention. Then when he's put on the spot what does he do? He gives a half-baked 'confession' that could be summed up as "poor me, why does no one help". He'll say whatever is most convenient for him at the time, which is why he never grows up. His actions indicate that he doesn't actually want to change, the only thing he wants is attention regardless of what kind it is. He'd threaten suicide for attention, but would never follow through with it. At best he'd fake his own death but instead of leaving he'd attend his own funeral. I'm a man of reciprocation and find it difficult to care about people like BoJack in the real world, primarily due to them being unable and/or unwilling to care about anyone but themselves. No doubt BoJack would claim he is unable.
I mean...the show constantly stresses that Bojack is not a good person. Everything wrong with him is, if not entirely, mostly his fault. Yes, he doesn't want to change. Yes, he abuses everything and everyone close to him. But the show wants you to care about him not because he's a good person, but because deep down he isn't and he knows that. And sometimes in life, we're all that terrible person inside wanting to stay in their selfish little world, even if we're more willing to change than him. Bojack doesn't want to be a bad person, but he's simply broken, even if it is his own fault. I don't know if what he said to Mr. Peanutbutter is just an excuse. Sure, it's convenient to make himself vulnerable there, but I think he's also speaking from the heart when he's saying that. Call me a dumbass, but I think Bojack's simply resigned himself to being unable to do better, even if he actually could.
You're no dumbass, it's a fair point. I've definitely made it too personal, relating it to my own experiences so the question I have is this: how do you implore BoJack to be better - what does he need to experience to really want to, nay, believe he can change for the better. I suppose I just find it irksome that he is 'honest' to himself about being bad, broken and selfish but then immediately backtracks once he's found to be in the wrong and has to start lying his way out of it, making excuses and pointing fingers at anyone but himself. I appreciate the reply, helps to better understand others and shift my own perspective.
I honestly think (and keep in mind, I haven't seen season 4) that Bojack needs one of two things: he needs to care enough about being a bad person and being unhappy to change, which would require him to get to even lower lows or to have something for which he has to change. Wanda could have been that, but she accepted him too readily. She never set a standard for him to be at. He was somehow good enough. But he needs something to tell him he needs to become a better person to have it. I think those are the only two options at this point. And, in the same line of reasoning, this also means he is sad and he is a terrible person, but he's not terrible enough to want to change. He's only terrible enough to be comfortable, together with people who will never leave him, no matter how "Bojack Awful" he goes.
Honestly, I never liked Bojack Horseman, the show or the character. As good as the writing apparently is, it's so hard to feel sorry for a millionaire living the life of luxury being paid to do nothing. It feels like being asked to watch a show about a medieval king who kills anyone who he thinks might kill him to seize his throne, including his own children. Yes, you might get an emotional scene where the king kills his beloved son when he's still a weak child who reacts to the stabs of his knife with "Why are you doing this daddy? I love you," but if you take a step back you'll realize that the king created that situation for himself because of his damaged mind, which makes it lose a bit of impact because the king won't commit suicide because he feels ashamed of what he did and knows he will likely do again, instead he'll go "I accept myself for what I am," and justify his terrible actions in his mind. I know that some people will defend that kind of thing, but it isn't good storytelling to have a character never undergo significant growth or face real trials. Having a character feel shame but never direct punishment for their horrible actions as they are forced to realize how much of a terrible person they are reflects the bias of the writers. In their minds, the fact that their character feels shame means that the character has been punished appropriately because that's the way their minds work. It's the same mindset that teenagers have when they are forced to pay a fine for dealing drugs or drinking while driving. In their minds, the shame of being caught doing something wrong is punishment enough. That shouldn't be true, and we shouldn't allow this to become a celebrated thing. In Greek tragedies, there's a very good reason why characters would often get killed or worse after they committed a truly terrible act for their wealth and power. For Bojack, it feels like instead of being punished for his terrible actions, he feels a little embarrassed and is forced to apologize and/or lay his feelings bare.
I'm really glad to see I'm not alone in this. I like this show, but I have always hated Bojack. I never got how this show expects me to care for this character who keeps doing horrible stuff and making the same stupid mistakes, yet never really changes. I always thought I was missing something, because in scenes like this it feels like I should feel pity for Bojack, but I'm 100% on Mr Peanutbutters side. But I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I did absolutely love the episodes following Princess Carolyn though, she's a much more sympathetic character.
I'll say this Mr. Peanut Butter does have a point. Bojack does tend to be a total asshole. I mean no guy in their right mind would want to be friends with someone. After finding out they kiss their wife course. Everytime Bojack gets a good thing in his life. He does tend to screw things up.
Mr. Peanut Butter is a strange character for me, in some aspects I do understand what he goes through, but otherwise I can't relate to him. He represents a form of toxic positivity for me which is something I'm not mentally willing enough to tolerate. I hate big gestures, surprises, and I guess a constant positive façade people put up. But there's another aspect of him that I find disturbing and that's his desire to be liked by everyone. There are quite a few individuals who I don't like that have attempted to befriend me. At first I never knew how to deal with it. But by the time I entered college my solution to that problem was just straight up telling people I didn't like them. And if they ever asked why, I'd explain it to them. With that understanding, it's actually a lot better to tolerate these individuals now as they understand my feelings towards them and we have a mutual tolerance (not to mistake for fondness) of one another
"You're a millionaire movie star with a girl friend who loves you, ACTING IN YOUR DREAM MOVIE. What more do you WANT? What else could the universe possibly OWE you?" This is what we all want to say to people who are "suffering from success".
"I want to feel good about myself, the way you do. And I don't know how. I don't know if I can.” This is how I feel everyday. Like I feel like I’m too broken to ever be fixed.
This show went so hard, and I honestly love this show for it. BoJack isn't a good person and he pays for it - often. The writers really walked a wire by surrounding him with complicated characters, and Character Actress Margo Martindale.
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Despite this, it was Mr. Peanutbutter who ended up staying with Bojack through thick and thin throughout the entire show.
They even had a crossover.
And he told them about Sarah Lynn 👍
@@The482075 love that scene♥️
@@Rockleefan3 it was right for the truth to be told. We root for bojack because he's the protagonist and so we spend more time with his thoughts and feelings than anyone in the show, but this doesn't justify his orribile actions and he shouldn't get away with them. That's the point of the show, everyone is flawed and actions have consequences...
Because he's an idiot. Everyone with any sense left him behind.
You know your main character is a bad person when even the comic relief snaps at him
Unfortunately people are too stupid to understand that these characters aren't good. They see a dude like Bojack, or Rick and think "lul thats so goals, i NEED to be like them they are so cool" and the idiots dont even understand how shitty it has to be for those characters. You arent suppose to want to be like them. Yet some fuck faces cant see that
Jack The Ripper Rick sucks, but he at least portrays wisdom and intelligence. Bojack has no real redeeming qualities lol I dont think anyone wants to be bojack
Jack the Ripper. I mean, I love those problematic characters cause I found them relatable, but I never thought anyone would want to be like them. Like isn't it obvious that they were protrayed as moraly wrong characters, how can people not see that? You can love and enjoy those characters, but if you idolize them, you miss the point
@@CrystalRose1111 Bojack does have redeeming qualities. He's real and honest, and he's someone that thinks things through a lot. I'm not saying he's a good person, but he's definitely better than a lot of people in real life.
@@JackTheripper911 woah, i don't think anyone wants to BE these characters. They relate to them, they feel less alone, and that's not a bad thing, someone that's already as low as Bojack or Rick needs something like that to latch onto. That's why we're happy when Bojack succeeds and gets better, because we want to be better too. It turns bad when someone refuses to change.
The fact that MPB was actually aware on how people see him despite the happy character personality he's doing, is actually a shock, he's not dumb and happy who doesnt know people are laughing at him dumb, he actually knows people are laughing or joking about him about how innocent he is
Kinda like forest gump
This is how I act.
@@primadeluxe4910 can I give you a comforting hug, bro?
It's called masking and that's usually what people who think divergently like we know we are aware we know the people that do hurt as we know the people that are going to hurt us but we still are nice to them we still care more abt how they are feelin cuz we actually feel like shit but we are just trying to either not make anyone else in a better mood or light up there mood make them happy cuz we feel like our feelings are not as important than others so a lot of ppl think we are happy but we are not we are the most loneliest because we legit change our personalities to satisfy others to the point that eventually once we are alone we do not know ourself or we like to fantasize a lots of reading a lot of fun things or just imagine a different place universe like Mr. peanut butter is here he has his own show where he pretends everything is great in life and so that is the reality we legit escape on we legit be going to a place in our brains were we are happy cuz once we are with ppl it's so exhausting and mentally just trying to make people happy even if you ask for it or not cuz we don't care abt ourself we hate ourself we will make sure that person is at least less sad even if we had it worst we are just that low on ourselves it's really exhausting because we legit or not trying to put the attention on ourselves we are just trying to make everyone happy cuz we are people pleasers and in reality we do not matter we do not value ourselves and we will legit be the first ones to wanna fucking jump in front of a car in order to save someone because I value peoples lives more than myself and that is on childhood trauma that is on my parents victimizing themselves that is on people always making me feel bad if I choose some thing I want to do and all those years old that time I was a kid it broke me and this is how I am now and that's how a lot of us are now we are divergent thinkers and we are people pleasers and we are Mr. peanut butter and a lot of people hate Mr. peanut butter but we hate ourselves too
Well I like Mr Peanut Butter. He's nice.
That got real.
Really really really real
Really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really real.
really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really real
Laughed so hard at this
Shit just got real
This is honestly one of my favorite scenes in the entire show, and it shows Mr Peanutbutter is monumentally more complex than people give him credit for.
“You think I don’t notice?” recontextualizes every time Mr Peanutbutter seems ‘too dumb to be sad’. Because he says outright that he knows bad things happen, that he knows how Bojack treats him. He understands reality. But that’s never stopped him from being happy. From being hopeful.
I also think that him forgiving Bojack is hugely underrated. Because Bojack Horseman isn’t a show where characters just forget and forgive. I mean.. look at Herb. Look at Todd. Characters in this show don’t forgive people unless they mean it, because this show doesn’t have to cater to its audience wanting things to turn out good.
But Mr Peanutbutter does forgive Bojack. Because even though Bojack is “a stupid piece of shit,” “a selfish coward,” and “a tar pit,” Mr Peanutbutter chooses to see the good in him. Like Mr Peanutbutter chooses to see the good in everything.
I think that’s really significant
To be fair though, it should be pointed out that Wanda pressured him into forgiving bojack, so it's up for debate how genuine it is. Of course I would still argue its mostly genuine, as as far as I remember there are no hints of him not actually forgiving him in future episodes.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 Considering the “Looks like you’re finally getting your crossover episode” and how he let Bojack live with him before and presumed after jail, I would say Mr. Peanutbutter not only forgave Bojack, but went on and became his best friend.
Well tbh the things he did to Herb, Todd and also Diane with this very incident have been way worse. Also PC Always forgives the shit he gave her.
it works because he's dog
i think the saddest thing about that is that it's because mr peanutbutter is a labrador. almost all other characters are given human depth and comprehension beyond their species, but mr peanutbutter is far more similar to his real life counterpart than any other on the show. of course he forgives bojack, he's loyal. of course he doesn't grow with his partners, you can't teach an old dog new tricks. he can tell when he's being mistreated, as many animals do, but he lives his life in a series of barely-connected moments of joy or anger or disappointment and doesn't spare a second to ever look back or forward. this isn't humanly possible, and i think that's the point the writers were trying to make with his character - only a dog could spend all those years being mistreated and still stick with bojack
The crickets were an underrated joke.
Now that you mention it I had the realization and had a little chuckle
oh my god i didn't realize that
Pls tell me abt it
@@anantambisht4895 you know how in awkward silences it's often to hear cricket noises?
Oh my lord
I love Mr. Peanut Butter, one of the most misunderstood and complex characters in the show, and each season seems to peel back a layer. A major reason I love bojack horseman is they don't rush anything, it unravels slowly. And it completely goes a different direction when u think its going the other direction.
I, too, love Mr. Peanut Butter Peanut Butter Is One Word Don't Write Down One Word.
ha! please! he’s just a Happy nihilistic fuck that why bojack hate him,
MICROAGRESSION!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
I think the problem with Mister Peanutbutter is that while he means well, he doesn't expect to have to work hard if his heart's in the right place. Hence his offering to hear out Bojack when Bojack says he needs a friend, and then as soon as Bojack starts talking he turns around and talks to someone else. Also (spoilers) he shows his true colors when he proposes to Pickles after sleeping with Diane.
Misunderstood he humiliated Bojack for no reason
He's a douchebag
I also like how Daniel Radcliffe is force to awkwardly just stand there during the whole thing XD
What? That's Elijah Wood
Bro are you blind that’s Elijah Wood
That’s Harry Potter actor Elijah Wood
@@hieutruong7456 Frodo Baggins' Actor Elijah Wood
@@mysincerestcondolences /woosh
"I want to feel good about myself, the way you do. And I don't know how. I don't know if I can"
describes me perfectly, is that a bad thing?
That's we do
Holy shit, never thought I'd get 111 likes lol thank you all
@@TiffanyRay 👎 same for ME TO.
Narrator: He could not
Am I a horrible person for laughing at the “losing their tits” joke.
No, cause its a joke
@@Dave-sb8ui not that, Its a GOOD joke
@@Rokyeen true
No
It's one of my favorites in the whole series.
I love that it started with Salinger ranting about reaching the depths of humanity, then pitches a game show, then the game show proceeds to reach the depths of humanity lol
John Doe lol wuuuut I never saw thaf
Damn...that’s real.
I remember when my boyfriend told me “People hate MPB because they all wish they could be as happy as him and never could, so they resent him for it and love Bojack because Bojack represents theyre own self hatred and therefore justify his actions” and I was like “aww damn ur right”
Apparently, it’s impossible to hate a unloyal cheater, lol.
David Paul That was later in the show
@Charlse Elliot Eh, the cheating, sure, but the show before that went out of it’s way to show that Mr. Peanutbutter really wasn’t the best guy. The guy went through two wives already, and while they’re portrayed to be scummy, Mr. Peanutbutter was always a self centered, forgetful, disingenuous manchild. Although, the show didn’t do a very good job at articulating that, as many of those moments were played up for laughs because, “Lol, he is dog.”
David Paul Were not saying mpb is perfect, but you cant hate him, hes very naive and sees the best in everyone
@assrianprincess I don’t personally hate him, but overall, he was an objectively bad person who did do things worthy of hate.
This episode was the best of Mr. Peanutbutter ever in all 3 seasons. I wish they developed this side of him as a good listener for Bojack. Dogs are actually very good listeners. You can tell them all your problems in life and they'll never judge you.
ixiahj facts
Mr Peanutbutter is one of the best characters of the entire show, i mean, he know that life doesn't have a purpose, but he is happy anyway (sorry for my english, i'm from chile and we talk in spanish)
actually, this was one of those scenes that made me like him as character. Specially since in season 1 he is portrayed as such a douchy idiot.
About the only thing I found wrong in your statement was just the fact that, in this moment, Mr. P did actually judge Bojack.
I think its a bit disappointing that most viewers don't notice that Mr. Peanutbutter also has some serious problems himself just because he happens to be a nice and sociable person and a lovable animal. He is in serious denial about all of his problems. This was a major point of his visit with his brother where he can't even talk to his brother about important issues because he is aggressively in denial about anything being wrong.
"Fill your life with meaningless things and then eventually you'll die," isn't supposed to be him "being real", its a big warning sign about his outlook. He isn't invested in anything enough to take anything seriously or do anything meaningful.
0:51 Ok how is no one talking about this joke right here, cause whoever came up with that one is a comedic genius.
Agreed. love how it plays with your expectations
I couldn’t stop laughing lol but the joke came and went. If someone was paying attention they’d get it lol
I know it somewhat related to the Catcher in the Rye, but still can't get it . Need help with that
@@wayne123master6 He means the joke with people "loosing their tits" and the girl being mistakenly on a cancer support board
It was ok as far as jokes from this show go.
"Why dont you like me?!"
Is it bad that i relate to an animated dog more than i do to real people?
Considering nobody HAS to like you, thats a fucking problem you should fix. "Why dont you like me" that kind of shit leads to abusive relationships. A NEED to be liked by specific people is disturbing, ridiculous, and down right psychopathic in nature.
Essentially going "omg this is like so me" really shows you dont understand that being these things, is not "goals". It bad.
@@JackTheripper911 i never said its goals.
I wasnt proud or happy when i said that.
@@user-pi3hd2bt3f No, but your comment most definitely gives off that vibe
@@JackTheripper911 it most definitely does not. You're just reading into things.
If you think the mere desire to be liked is a psycopathic sentiment, that says a lot more about you than it does the person you're replying to
@@kalkazar13 i said the "NEED" to be liked by "Specific" people. Not just anyone. Next time don't leave shit out to try an make your "point" seem more valid because its not.
Nobody OWES you their friendship or what one consideres "being liked" by said person. You are literally not obligated to be friends or like ANYONE, and if somehow you cannot handle that something about you, repels that person. Then maybe you have your answer there. Being self absorbed doesnt help.
So you can read this as slow as you need until its understood. Nobody is required to like you, because you're you. Get over it.
I'm glad in the end of the show Mr Peanut Butter realised that he has to love himself and be alone in order to be better, rather than relying on a relationship to make him happy.
Late to reply to this but yeah it made me happy too.
Is my problem with women _any_ movie directed by Christopher Nolan?
Would you say that he’s…. kenough?
I haven't seen this episode, but what is Elijah Wood doing there?
Haaa!
ELIJAH WOOD?!
*you are a true reference hero.*
Underated comment
Who is going to explain the joke?
The fact that bojack cannot understand that Diane told mr. P.B. about the kiss really points out how self centered he is, believing he Is the main charachter in everything and still is delusional about a special relationship made of a secret not-spoken love WITH A MARRIED WOMAN.
Man bojack really is the incarnation of modern adult Peter Pan.
reminds me of him trying to prevent the wedding since he didn't want it to happen so clearly that meant it was an objectively bad thing (a 'mistake', i think he said). i don't know if it speaks more to a superiority complex or trust issues that every emotion he feels he interprets as objective facts about the universe, tbh
Well he actually is the main character😂
She told him immediately and pb has been keeping silent because he loves his friends but Bojack is divorced enough from reality to think he "got away"with something
This comment is a bit much. It could be he just wasn’t expecting someone to speak of such a scandalous, hurtful, embarrassing thing. Let sleeping dogs lie kinda thing.
"Modern adult Peter Pan"
So, not Peter Pan?
Their cartoon version of Daniel Radcliffe is perfect 😂👌🏻
you mean Elijah Wood? 😂
Um....are we watching the same show here? It’s clearly Elijah Wood.
"When you're as famous as I am you meet so many people!" xD
Wasn’t he in Lord of the Rings?
“ELIJAH WOOOOD?!!”
God dammit Im J God damn D God damn Salinger AND I WANT RAIN!
Brian Wong 😅😅😅
Should have ended it with another God damnit for good measure.
When Mr Peanutbutter said what else can the universe owe BoJack, I realise that on the outside, people always feel that if you are lucky to have certain privileges, you automatically have no excuse to be unhappy with your life. And that made it harder for BoJack to come to terms with the damage his mom brought to him, because he is supposed to be satisfied by having much more than other people, despite not having the emotional healing that he truly needed instead.
i'm only on season 3 but wasn't the dad bad too?
@@iwantaburrito. oh yeah he was but the mom's damage was explored more so I only talked about her here
Bojack also has a lot of money, if he wanted to he could've gotten a therapist to deal with his problems years ago.
"Should we cut to commercial?"
"Would Homer cut away from Odysseus' journey just as he was being enticed by the siren's song?"
"...No?"
"Well, there you are."
XD This is one of the smartest shows I've seen in years.
AirsoftTim92 I liked that story. No wait never mind I'm thinking of Jason and the argonauts
Everyone should have read the Odyssey in high school. And also Catcher in the Rye, which is what J.D. Salinger wrote.
sato I took a Drama class back in my junior year of high school and I not only learned about the Odyssey, but I also got to see the 1990’s miniseries that aired on NBC
'XD'
so you guys are telling me that you don’t learn about it in school???? in italy we learn it in middle school and then again in high school
"What more do you want? What else could the universe possibly owe you"
I love that quote
I love when Bojack's voice just cracks when he says, "I want to feel good about myself." That just adds a whole new layer on Bojack himself. He's just so desperate to want to feel good about himself but he just doesn't know how. I'm glad they kept that in the recording, that just made the impact so much better.
Big mood - I wish I could feel as good as MPB seems too. But it seems the button in my brain for that is as broken as Bojack's
This is the best show on Netflix right now. Hands down
Honestly, I have no idea how Netflix could ever top this show. It’s one of the best ever made as far as I’m concerned.
@@JimmySteller and then they went and CANCELLED IT!
Screw you, Netflix. Why would you kill your best show?
@@earth4180 🤦🏻♂️
Was
dusk to midnight that’s a weird way of saying is
Frankly, I find Mr. Peanutbutter's need to be liked disturbing. There's something almost pathological about a man - well, dog - who insists on trying to be friends with someone who clearly dislikes him even after that person tried to kiss his wife.
This is something that the new season dug deeper at, and it seems in season 6 this personality flaw is going to drag him down, and it will not be pretty to say the least.
Mr. Peanutbutter evidently cannot be alone, and with each failed marriage it's becoming more painfully obvious that he needs something, or rather, someone to continually validate his existence and worth. In his relationships, he is more concerned with putting on a show of love rather than actually loving his partner. Hence, his obsession with grand, over-the-top gestures, which he has come to believe earns him brownie points with his partner. He isn't malevolent in this, mind you, but it seems he enters relationships for the wrong reasons, and the fact he is constantly throwing himself in the mix, be it at his parties, or some new gig, shows that he can't simply be content with himself. He needs to prove to himself and others that he can be loved.
@Instrumentality1000 That is very highlighted when both address their issues about their death parents to the crew.
BJ wanted contention but refused to admitted he wanted people to care about him and the dead of his mother, so he told everyone that he don't want attention because of that, while MPB told everyone that because his mother died he wanted all the love and support he could have from the crew.
Both wanted the same but their means to obtain what they want are different.
Stamboul
Man, or in this case dogs, cannot fight his nature. It is the nature of dogs to crave attention, to need love and affection.
And at the end of the day, Mr. Peanut-butter, for all his human trappings and likenesses, is still a dog.
Maybe I'm not getting to deep on this but he is a dog. Dogs are loyal to a fault and if we could talk to dogs they might be like this.
Dude, HE'S A DOG!!! He desperately needs to be loved!
0:50 i'm dying 🤣🤣
So are the people on that message board.
@@SaltpeterTaffy savage!
This was the most intense I had ever seen Mr. P.B. I was as shocked as the cartoon audiences
Honestly, both characters are correct and in the wrong at the same time. Bojack is right to be annoyed at Mr. Peanutbutter’s constant attempts to be his friend, even when he’s not interested. It’s not like his disinterest is hidden, either. However, Mr. Peanutbutter isn’t wrong to point out that much of Bojack’s misery is his own fault and that, despite everything he has, he chooses to continue to wallow in self-pity. Of course, this does negate the mental scars that Bojack’s abusive past caused, but, even so, Mr. Peanutbutter isn’t wrong that Bojack chooses to be miserable, instead of bettering himself.
I wish they didn’t cancel Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities. What Do They Know? Do They Know Things? Let’s Find Out.
With Mr Peanutbutter
It sounded so catchy. I would have watched it 4 real.
I get where Bojack is coming from, Nothing matters if you dont have inner peace. You could be given every single thing you desire but you'll never enjoy or love any of it unless you have inner peace
To have Mr.Peanytbutter admit Bojack is hurting him its both refreshing and heartbreaking.
On one hand its good he finally shows his true emotions on the other you gotta think how hurt he is to finally lash out
I really wish the show developed mr peanutbutter more, this moment was the best Mr peanutbetter scene in the whole series, I truly think if we had more moments like this, Mr peanutbutter would have been so much more interesting
I agree. He was really interesting in seasons 1-3, but they sort of just dumbed him down from seasons 4-6. He always sort of seemed like some who was hiding his own shit behind some facade, but the show decided not go in that direction and just made him stupid.
Todd was also another character I wish had gotten more development. He started off as a kid who was insecure and lacked purpose unless he was busy going off on his Todd shenanigans. In the Chicken 4 Dayz episode in season 2, Todd was going through some existential crisis where he felt like his life was purposeless and phoned PC to ask her to give him some direction in life.
It was a really interesting aspect of his character, but I felt like once they started to focus more on his asexuality, characteristics like that were glossed over. I feel like they also wanted to do more with Todd and Emily but sort of just buried it under the sand when they couldn’t figure out how to develop them more. They tried again in Season 5 to expand on it, but seemed to exist for the sole purpose of reminding us that character exists rather than doing something with her.
Ralph also seemed to just fade into obscurity without much explanation or growth. They brought him back again as well in season 5 for a brief episode that lead to pretty much nothing happening that was relevant to the plot. I feel like from Seasons 4-6 the writing for the side characters got messy since the writers didn’t seem to know what they wanted to do with them. Which is why I felt their arcs in season 6 felt rushed.
@@jinxthatsme2317 I'm honestly a little tired of the "he sounds like a happy guy but is hiding his emptiness behind a facade" thing
I think he turned out to be really interesting because it shows how one can be actually happy but still toxic in their own ways. He constantly seeks for validation and comfort in relationships and trying to make everybody like him because he feels happy that way, but that oftenly turns people away
"I want to feel good about myself, the way you do, and I don't know how. I don't know if I can."
I have struggled with depression for years, and this line hit very close to home.
1:29
This was the moment where Mr. Peanutbutter became a great character in my eyes.
Seriously though. Cutting out Bojack's apology at the end is a huge disservice. The way Will Arnett delivered that line ("I'm sorry, Mr. Peanutbutter. I can't tell you how sorry I am") was just heartbreaking.
Then Mr. Peanutbutter cheated on Pickles...
Ha!
They weren't really together if you think about it
What a dog
How the tables have trurned
@@user-vr8ve6rt9c Just because they weren't engaged yet, doesn't mean they weren't "together" at the time.
And that too with Diane.
I find it funny that I started watching this show at the same time I started reading Catcher in the Rye
Laura Swiftfoot thats my favourite booookkkk uggghhh
Laura Swiftfoot why would anyone ever voluntarily read that book
@@bearinasuithaha8417 to seem smart
Are you saying they’re a phony?
Watching the entire series it's hard to feel bad for Bojack. PB is right here, he's given every opportunity to be happy and ends up using or killing those who care for him. His own ego meant more to him and worse, he became his father. Despite everything PB stood by him.
This showed that Mr.Peanut Butter is more aware than we and Bojack knew
0:52
Are we just gonna ignore how funny that line is
IKR💀💀
Mr. Peanutbutter wasn't joking, he wanted to get REAL and he dropped a huge bomb of realism. This show is truly something else.
I'll never forget how good of a show this was. Tackling the fact that despite he has it all he's depressed. Money really isnt everything if youre cold and bitter inside. Just love it.
I'm just waiting for a scene where Diane leaves and Bojack teaches Mr.Peanutbutter how to deal with loneliness
Mr. Peanutbutter has had 3 wives.
He's used to it.
Boi have I got a surprise for you
The guy just got a new girlfriend the next day. Literally
@@Rs2006REMAKEVids Except he's really not, because if he was, he wouldn't keep landing in rebound relationships.
@@Rs2006REMAKEVids if he was he wouldnt change partners as people change socks
I love how Dan is just sitting in the back looking at all of this.
You wanna get into things let's get into things let's get real
This is Homer and Flanders done right.
Bojack protecting his ears from the rain is such a subtle touch of real horse behavior. Like the time he said he’s scared of plastic bags in the wind. I never noticed this before and I don’t even know if it’s intentional, but I choose to believe it is.
THIS IS MY ART, GODDAMMIT I’M J GODDAMN D GODDAMN SALANGER. AND I WANT RAIN
"All I ever wanted was to be your friend. And you treat me like a big Joke"
Ooh MrPB you are too good for this world... Actually he could've made the great best friend of Bojack after Herb.
2:03 Hearing Bojack saying that broke my heart cuz I feel exactly the same way as he is
All of my friends are very positive about themselves and very optimistic whereas for me,I’m just very negative
I never thought of myself as a good person.
I always felt like I’m a worthless/useless person or at some point,a nobody.
As if I’m a hollow body that has no soul in it
But for my friends,they’re always cheerful,optimistic,cracking jokes everywhere,feeling proud about themselves and overall,just very positive.....
And I...am nothing like that
Maybe that’s why I’m so different to them
I'm that friend too. I've never been able to relate to a character more in my life. I cry every time I watch this.
Philip Gonsowski It’s okay bud,just let it all out and cry
Bojack and Mr. Robot are the only show I feel relate to.
I recommend reparenting the inner child. CPTSD books are a great starting point for healing that emptiness. I have it too.
You're real, they're fake, not much else to dissect there.
"Would Homer cut way from Odysseus's Journey just as he was being enticed by the Siren's song?"
Video ends just as it was getting good.
There are two parts in this season that show Mister Peanutbutter is not as stupid as he seems to be. This scene is one of them and the other is in the finale when he sees Diane at the restaurant. But in both cases he chooses to not hold a grudge because that’s just the kind of person he is. He’s not ignorant of everything all the time nor is he incapable of feeling hurt. But no matter what he always chooses to be the nice guy and be on as positive terms with everybody as he possibly can and that’s very admirable
One of my favourite moments. It's so surprising yet interesting seeing a character like Mr. Peanutbutter, someone so happy and charismatic, get so serious and indignant.
I'm also really glad we didn't see Mr. Peanutbutter abruptly switch to sympathetising with Bojack because even though Bojack has his issues and it's sad, it doesn't take back what he did and how it affects others. The reveal of why Bojack mistreats Mr. Peanutbutter, because he's happy and Bojack's jealous of that, was also amazing.
Bojack and Mr. Peanutbutter really were great foils to each other and great characters in general.
Love how Mr Peanutbutter points out how Bojack has every reason to be happy, but then there’s his mother’s phone call reminding him how none of that will make him whole, he was born broken, and there’s no cure to what he has.
Loved this episode
This is when Mr Peanutbutter, the optimistic happy-go-lucky star, SNAPPED. I actually thought he was about to use the f word!
Wow, that might be the realist thing Bojack has ever said. Honesty like that could actually maybe mend a friendship.
I was hoping to find a good video on RUclips for the scene leading up to this. I mean, I can access it on Netflix too, but I was wondering if anyone knew of a good video where Mr. Peanutbutter was making a complete fool out of Bojack.
Will arnet made me laugh as Lego Batman but made me cry as bojack horseman. Fucking great actor I don't know why he's in those stupid ass Michael bay ninja turtle movies
*Things are getting real out here. Really real. REALLY REALLY REALLY REAL!!*
I know were in a dark place here, but Bojack’s uhhhhhh at 0:42 cracks me up.
“All I ever wanted to be was your friend. And you treat me like a big joke.”- Sadly relatable
I love mr PB, he is my fav character. And this episode is obviously one of the best in a whole series. The way PB talking to BoJack in this scene got my heart. This is one of this rare scenes where PB put off his "good boyo" mask and he shows that he is as hard and tragic character as BoJack or Diane or etc. He just wanna be a good friend, good boyfriend, good husband, but no one taking his attemps in a serious way. For everyone around he is just stupid and naive. But that's totally false. He understand everything that surrounds him and being misunderstood hurts him. I was absolutely broken when PB was told to forgive BoJack only cause this situation was on the show. But he just want to have a friend, who really can understand him
Dammit I clicked on this thinking it was a vaporwave song over a Bojack clip
“why don’t you like me?” hits a little too close to home for me.
idk why but the metal folding chairs facing each other intensify the realness...
0:49 Mr.Peanutbutter finally found out about the kiss.
When I first saw this episode and Mr Peanutbutter said "Oh, you want to get into things?" I knew shit was gonna get real!
The writing on this show is top teir!
This is like the deepest depths of depression I’ve ever seen in a person.
there's a lot of things that depict this in this show, the most well known being the "you're a stupid piece of shit" episode
The moment where I started to love Mr. Peanutbutter
Mr. Peanutbutter is truly a good dog.
What’s actually interesting is when Bojack questions how did mr peanutbutter know he kissed Diane. Mr peanut butter is sarcastic to this question with his answers but tells him that HIS WIFE told him. While the two weren’t compatible, they weren’t cruel to each other. They did try to be a good honest couple because that’s what a good marriage does. Bojack COULDNT EVEN understand this. He THOUGHT Diane didn’t tell mr peanutbutter. Because that’s what a person trying to avoid problems would do. Bojack can’t get what a good marriage is and what good morals are because of himself and his fucked up role models in his youth.
0:52 great scene but this shit’s hilarious
wow, the comic reliefs really snapped at the main character...... wow
When I watched this for the first time my heart actually sank when he said “you think I don’t notice??”
1:15 mark pulled directly from The Truman show. Absolutely love it
this is waaaaaaay too real
Oh how I love this..and every character of Bojack horseman!
Another detail I found surprising about this was how despite him knowing all this time and also fully knowing how much Bojack slates at him, he still considers him a “good friend”
The fact that BoJack expected Diane to keep this from her fiance says a lot about his understanding (or lack thereof) of mature relationships
0:58 LMAO Cancerous Support Message Board
This scene is like a parent (Mr Peanut Butter) trying to get through to some kid (BoJack) that's been deliberately breaking shit and hurting people for nothing more than attention. Then when he's put on the spot what does he do? He gives a half-baked 'confession' that could be summed up as "poor me, why does no one help". He'll say whatever is most convenient for him at the time, which is why he never grows up. His actions indicate that he doesn't actually want to change, the only thing he wants is attention regardless of what kind it is. He'd threaten suicide for attention, but would never follow through with it. At best he'd fake his own death but instead of leaving he'd attend his own funeral.
I'm a man of reciprocation and find it difficult to care about people like BoJack in the real world, primarily due to them being unable and/or unwilling to care about anyone but themselves. No doubt BoJack would claim he is unable.
I mean...the show constantly stresses that Bojack is not a good person. Everything wrong with him is, if not entirely, mostly his fault. Yes, he doesn't want to change. Yes, he abuses everything and everyone close to him. But the show wants you to care about him not because he's a good person, but because deep down he isn't and he knows that. And sometimes in life, we're all that terrible person inside wanting to stay in their selfish little world, even if we're more willing to change than him. Bojack doesn't want to be a bad person, but he's simply broken, even if it is his own fault.
I don't know if what he said to Mr. Peanutbutter is just an excuse. Sure, it's convenient to make himself vulnerable there, but I think he's also speaking from the heart when he's saying that. Call me a dumbass, but I think Bojack's simply resigned himself to being unable to do better, even if he actually could.
You're no dumbass, it's a fair point. I've definitely made it too personal, relating it to my own experiences so the question I have is this: how do you implore BoJack to be better - what does he need to experience to really want to, nay, believe he can change for the better.
I suppose I just find it irksome that he is 'honest' to himself about being bad, broken and selfish but then immediately backtracks once he's found to be in the wrong and has to start lying his way out of it, making excuses and pointing fingers at anyone but himself. I appreciate the reply, helps to better understand others and shift my own perspective.
I honestly think (and keep in mind, I haven't seen season 4) that Bojack needs one of two things: he needs to care enough about being a bad person and being unhappy to change, which would require him to get to even lower lows or to have something for which he has to change. Wanda could have been that, but she accepted him too readily. She never set a standard for him to be at. He was somehow good enough. But he needs something to tell him he needs to become a better person to have it. I think those are the only two options at this point.
And, in the same line of reasoning, this also means he is sad and he is a terrible person, but he's not terrible enough to want to change. He's only terrible enough to be comfortable, together with people who will never leave him, no matter how "Bojack Awful" he goes.
Honestly, I never liked Bojack Horseman, the show or the character. As good as the writing apparently is, it's so hard to feel sorry for a millionaire living the life of luxury being paid to do nothing.
It feels like being asked to watch a show about a medieval king who kills anyone who he thinks might kill him to seize his throne, including his own children. Yes, you might get an emotional scene where the king kills his beloved son when he's still a weak child who reacts to the stabs of his knife with "Why are you doing this daddy? I love you," but if you take a step back you'll realize that the king created that situation for himself because of his damaged mind, which makes it lose a bit of impact because the king won't commit suicide because he feels ashamed of what he did and knows he will likely do again, instead he'll go "I accept myself for what I am," and justify his terrible actions in his mind. I know that some people will defend that kind of thing, but it isn't good storytelling to have a character never undergo significant growth or face real trials.
Having a character feel shame but never direct punishment for their horrible actions as they are forced to realize how much of a terrible person they are reflects the bias of the writers. In their minds, the fact that their character feels shame means that the character has been punished appropriately because that's the way their minds work. It's the same mindset that teenagers have when they are forced to pay a fine for dealing drugs or drinking while driving. In their minds, the shame of being caught doing something wrong is punishment enough. That shouldn't be true, and we shouldn't allow this to become a celebrated thing.
In Greek tragedies, there's a very good reason why characters would often get killed or worse after they committed a truly terrible act for their wealth and power. For Bojack, it feels like instead of being punished for his terrible actions, he feels a little embarrassed and is forced to apologize and/or lay his feelings bare.
I'm really glad to see I'm not alone in this. I like this show, but I have always hated Bojack. I never got how this show expects me to care for this character who keeps doing horrible stuff and making the same stupid mistakes, yet never really changes. I always thought I was missing something, because in scenes like this it feels like I should feel pity for Bojack, but I'm 100% on Mr Peanutbutters side. But I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
I did absolutely love the episodes following Princess Carolyn though, she's a much more sympathetic character.
Teared up during this scene... this show was incredible
And then they kissed
Wanda and the breast cancer joke really got me- lmao
I'll say this Mr. Peanut Butter does have a point. Bojack does tend to be a total asshole. I mean no guy in their right mind would want to be friends with someone. After finding out they kiss their wife course. Everytime Bojack gets a good thing in his life. He does tend to screw things up.
Mr. Peanut Butter is a strange character for me, in some aspects I do understand what he goes through, but otherwise I can't relate to him. He represents a form of toxic positivity for me which is something I'm not mentally willing enough to tolerate. I hate big gestures, surprises, and I guess a constant positive façade people put up. But there's another aspect of him that I find disturbing and that's his desire to be liked by everyone. There are quite a few individuals who I don't like that have attempted to befriend me. At first I never knew how to deal with it. But by the time I entered college my solution to that problem was just straight up telling people I didn't like them. And if they ever asked why, I'd explain it to them. With that understanding, it's actually a lot better to tolerate these individuals now as they understand my feelings towards them and we have a mutual tolerance (not to mistake for fondness) of one another
"You're a millionaire movie star with a girl friend who loves you, ACTING IN YOUR DREAM MOVIE. What more do you WANT? What else could the universe possibly OWE you?"
This is what we all want to say to people who are "suffering from success".
Well. I can now count this clip as yet another philosophical knife to twist deeper into the wounded and raw mess that is my soul.
WELL DONE.
"I want to feel good about myself, the way you do. And I don't know how. I don't know if I can.”
This is how I feel everyday. Like I feel like I’m too broken to ever be fixed.
“TURN ON THE RAIN!!!”
Only time I liked peanutbutter I felt he was serious for the first time
My favorite is that after Mr. Peanut Butter and Bojack horseman kiss. It turns to a sad theme into a gay theme.
this is my favorite scene. I can relate to mr. pb so much in this scene
" let's get into things " is gonna be ma next catch phrase
0:47 Oh man shit just got real
MAD dog!! I loved this side of him. XD
This is the moment that really got me into the show
What an awesome series man.
I wish MPB took BoJack to task more often but of course it's not in his nature to be that way
Daniel Radcliffe: 🙂
This show went so hard, and I honestly love this show for it. BoJack isn't a good person and he pays for it - often. The writers really walked a wire by surrounding him with complicated characters, and Character Actress Margo Martindale.