That sounds sweet at first, but isn’t it more depressing knowing the fact that bojack never got to have Harper or end up with Charlotte, basically meaning that Beatrice never got to have a good childhood?
Bojack barely even knew Charlotte, and that's why she was so endearing to him. He only ever saw her as a normal, decent person; someone who wasn't tainted. He had been in relationships with Wanda and Carolyn, yet he never fantasized about them in this way because he knew their flaws and who they truly were. Bojack had a few alright interactions with Charlotte in his twenties, and he has since maintained a parochial view of her as a pure and unflawed person. In my opinion, he never saw Charlotte as a someone he loved, rather, he saw her as a gateway to a clean life.
Don't mean to sound nerdy, but if you notice in some episodes whenever Charlotte is walking away, it's framed as her walking down a straight path with pleasant, almost heavenly music playing? It usually happens after her and Bojack talk, and your interpretation reminded me of that.
Yup. And for reason, this perfect woman he imagines would also cheat on her husband and abandon her children for him. I guess it checks out, since Bojack is just full of contradictions.
Tbf, bojack didn't really start becomming a jerk until after fame started rushing to his head. Even if he still had flaws, he would still most likely be a better person.
Seeing Harper as the spitting image of Beatrice is just…heartbreaking. It not only indicates that Bojack loved his mother enough to imagine a daughter who resembles her so strongly, but that he also maybe wanted to vicariously give her a life that was better than the one she had.
The grass isn't always greener. Even if he had left Hollywood, it wouldn't have changed everything that happened before in his life. If I had to guess, he probably would have resented Charlotte for taking away his chance at fame and drove her away as a result.
@@TiffanyRay All of it is hair splitting. Good, evil, positive, negative, etc. None of it exists outside of the Anthropocene. We are all responsible for the choices we make; regretting them is extreme self-indulgence. Reflection is different than regret, however.
@@theskiesaredarkPeople always say that, but never consider that there Are factors that causes the choices made and how they're affected. How we grow up is also a factor, especially for those in a broken home or with a mental illness that often goes untreated because of the people we're around. A person may make a choice, but what lead a person to make said choice holds a deeper connection than we realize.
Perhaps it’s just as much about making the best of our situation and cherishing the people around us as it is choosing the right path in life. The true travesty is the finite time that we all have 😔
I know it's a rose-tinted fantasy but seeing Bojack play with Harper always gets me in some way. It's made obvious that he doesn't want children in his real life (which in my opinion is a smart decision on his part) but deep down there's something in him that would like to be a father. Also the part where he says he's gonna eat her hands as baby talk reminded me of how people would tell you to keep your hand flat when feeding a horse as a kid, otherwise they'd eat your fingers!
I don't think he doesn't want children, I think he does and you can see it in his relationship with Hollyhock. But he also fears (and probably for good reason) that he can't handle a child and will mess them up the way his parents messed him up. This is how he wishes he could raise a daughter but he can't handle the responsibility
@@greentaigo2552 there's also the under the sea episode where he's trying to get the sea horse baby back to his dad. By the end he grew attached to the baby and longingly looks at the babies before leaving.
To add onto what the other two people said, I believe he tried to become a parental figure in Sarah lynn’s life after meeting back up with her, since he was never there for her when she was small. Of course that got thrown out the window after they had sex and he left her to die, but the thought counts
This is the good ending. Nothing else happened. Bojack chooses this life and doesn't fuck it up. He becomes sober and self actualized. And is no longer running from secrets that haunt him.
The only problem is that this, if it was real, is an entirely different timeline than Bojack Horseman. He would have to have left LA with Charlotte when he was a young man. Still a good ending but an entirely different Bojack Horseman.
wait that was Kristen Schaal???? I legit had no idea - her voice is so distinct I can tell it apart for like most animated shows, but I really had no idea for this one
Katsuragi Keima No. Watch the episode again. He asked for a new hair color and chose grey, in which he commented that he looks old. It was never his original hair color.
Damn. This is the most deliberately written show I have ever seen. Maybe even more so than Breaking Bad. Like the lollipop song callback to season 1 from season 5 episode 6. You just know it was planned all along. It's incredible.
@@Steelburgh Agreed. There is was another scene early on in season 1 where Bojack has this super bad trip with Sarah Lynn and Todd. He goes through a series of unfortunate events in his life, and one scene pans out to a younger him waiting by himself in a soccer field. It doesn't make too much sense when you first watch it but.... *spoiler below* Only when you watch Free Churro in Season 5 will that make sense to you. It's the little details in which I love this show.
Hm... something I just noticed: Charlotte doesn't look any older after the timeskip. She's the idealized version of Charlotte who never grows old or loses her beauty.
"Yeah, and I'm 80% sure it's yours!" gets me every time. It's like even in his fondest fantasies, Bojack can't imagine a world in which everyone isn't sleeping around on everyone else.
The way he paints this fantasy, it's so tempting to think that Bojack would have been happy living a life like this. But the truth is, having a family can be hard, and these are just wholesome sitcom scenes he's dreamed up for himself. Having a partner and children means choosing your loved ones day after day, and Bojack has never had that kind of follow-through.
Biggest problem is that bojack is addicted to fame/approval. This quiet lifestyle doesnt suit him. Also hes pretty terrible with kids, being petty about vincent adultman, being shitty to todd and undermined his success, penny and friends fiasco and of course sarahlynn.
In _Escape from L.A._ I was 80% sure that nothing bad would happen while Bojack was hanging with Charlotte's family, but unfortunately I did not think about the 20% that I was missing.
He dreamed of a life with a woman he knew for "five minutes, years ago" where he was happy. Where he had a kid, even though he feared having kids in real life because he worried he'd just screw them up like his parents did. You'd think that dream would inspire him to change his ways and not miss another opportunity, but it only fed the guilt that made him so self destructive. Heartbreakingly realistic
@@falconeshieldhe paid for them, but he wasn't sure if the women just took the money and kept the babies. Like Sarah Lynn's wh0re of a mother, some mothers are willing to live through their own children even if it destroys then.
I don't think that this is simply a fantasy of him with Charlotte, I think it was a fantasy of him being a normal, functional person without depression as well. In-story he knows he doesn't and couldn't be a father. But something in him yearns for the family he never had... but for that to be, you can't be broken. He certainly made his own dream age like milk.
This is also such a great depiction not only of BoJack's unrealistic expectations, but also on his fallacy thinking that this life would be guaranteed simply by choosing Charlotte. Once again, BoJack doesn't understand that in order for you to have the best chance for a life like this, a lot of work has to be put into yourself and caring for the other person. BoJack could've chosen Charlotte, but he still would've been the same damaged, alcoholic, drug addict who is toxic around others.
The saddest thing about all this? If he had done this instead, he would likely have ended up no different than his father. Bitter and resentful at the life of fame he could have had.
Anyone else have dreams about people that don't exist, and in the dream you form a real emotional attachment them so when you wake up, you're grieving?
I sobbed like a baby at this whole sequence. Everything is so perfect in his imagination but in contrast his life is actually crumbling and he's second guessing all of his choices, doubting his future at every turn
If Bojack had chosen this life, it would not be this idealistic fantasy. He would’ve struggled the way most working families do, to pay bills, going to work every day and having an nagging boss, etc. With all the stress that just comes with raising a family and being alive he would’ve turned on the TV and saw Herb Kazazz producing shows, and he’d think to himself “that should be me on there. Rich and famous.” And he’d grow bitter towards Charlotte and Harper. He’s Bojack Horseman. There’s no cure for that.
I know how badly you wanted it to happen, but all of you need to realize that you're idealizing that person and putting them on a pedestal. Life is messy, it rarely works out the way it is in our fantasies. There's a reason you didn't end up with the girl you thought would have been your soulmate. "If only", you think, "it would have been the greatest love of my life". But how can they be your soulmate in the first place, by the simple fact that they're NOT with you? Even if you had managed to "win" her affections, it's statistically likely that it wouldn't have lasted. Relationships are messy, they require a lot of hard work and compromise on both sides in order to survive. Had your fantasy played out, you could no longer be able to idealize them as you do now, because you'd see them for who they really are: a human being, as opposed to the perfect, girl-shaped shadow you keep locked up in your memory. No person can possibly live up to that. How could they? People are flawed, unpredictable, and most importantly, they change. There's no such thing as "the one who got away". If they didn't make any effort to be with you in the first place, they didn't "get away", they were never yours to begin with.
@Amelia Bee Just WOOOW lol wtf, talk about insecure! What an extremely gross and unrealistic toxic projection you made, and the fact that there are so many like you in this comment section. I'm glad disgustingly negative people like you are the minority in real life outside of the internet. It's not about them being our soulmate, it's about them POTENTIALLY being the one and us being theirs if we both had chosen to commit and strive for that! Especially when they may have shown potential interest or no real objection to a possible deeper relationship. The valid regret comes from us not pursuing it further when nothing was standing in the way, the only thing getting in the way was our own inaction to take it to the next level. So we validly regret that, "they were never yours" becomes completely and objectively untrue when we literally in reality had a opportunity at one point to make them "ours" and us "theirs" without issue. That's how it works in reality when they are considered "the one that got away". That for whatever personal reason that we'd regret now, they would have agreed to be with us and been "ours" had we simply confronted them and acted on it. Now they're realistically the one that got away. And "Soul Mates" do exist for literally some BILLIONS of couples throughout human history and up to now as that is what they'd describe themselves as tome and time again. It's something only they can determine for themselves. It's honestly disgusting constantly seeing nihilistic/pessimistic/antiromantic views like yours frequently and falsely being parroted as 'realistic' on the internet. It's unrealistic and completely dismissive of the reality of the valid passions and virtues of the human heart and spirit. These strong actions and feelings are what shows itself time and time again as reality for people. Your dismissive and willfully negative subjections do not...
Just a few neat things: In the dream sequence, Bojack and Charlotte's fictional daughter is called Harper, and Bojack's family lakehouse was in Harper's Landing, Michigan. The baby seahorse in 'Fish out of Water' was also modelled after her. Also: In the dream, Bojack talks about running into "Ed" at the hardware store, and when he actually goes to Harper's Landing in S4, the first person he meets is Eddie, who is a handyman and helps him fix up the house. I wonder if that last one is a stretch, but either way I think it's a cool coincidence.
Never do this to yourself, never build a scenario like this as your escape. It's a comforting fantasy but if you convince yourself 'I could have had this if I did X differently' it can easily lead to self-hatred.
Does anyone else feel like this scene makes the Penny situation hit 10x harder and feel so much worse. He fantasized about having a daughter with Charlotte then went on to groom her daughter
I dont know why but when harper asks bojack "Where does the stars go?" It reminds me of my younger brother when we were kids and it really touched me... I remember my brother asking alot of strange questions back in the day and one day i kinda got tired of it and asked him really loudly why he wanted to know everything and if he wanted to be the smartest person in the world or what... Then i remember he calmly said "No im just curious" I dont know why but after that i had a hard time being mad at him over him constantly asking questions... It was kinda qute when i look back at it :) He was and still is a good brother and we are really close friends today
Even though this is an old video, I like the subtle foreshadowing that his black hair was dyed up until Season 6. It's clear how they represented it as a form of vulnerability on Bojack's part, no longer looking the part of Hollywoob stardom.
Bojack romanticized this life with Charlotte and built it up so big in his head, all while he neglected those in his life who were supportive and genuinely cared for him (Todd, PC, Diane, Wanda). When he doesn't make up with Wanda after the argument and skips Todds improv graduation to visit Charlotte I felt bad. Because that's what this show is about, Bojack not realising how great the people around him are until its too late.
What he should have thought after "I could have had this" is "I can still have this" and then worked toward it (with a different person than Charlotte) if he really wanted it . But well it's bojack 😔
Love this scene. He's idolizing Charlotte, the fantasy is unrealistic and if he had chosen her to begin with, this probably wouldn't be how things turned out to begin with. It's always interesting to look back on the different paths we fantasize about. In the moment we think the grass is greener, but that isn't always true. **Edit wow I didn't expect this to get so many likes. If you're reading this, don't settle, always work towards bettering yourself and find whatever motivates you to keep going and just go. For a while all I was motivated by to live was my cat. Now things are better, and although she's passed away, her memory is alive with me forever. Be save and spread love.
@@josezhunio9605 Tell me about it! But hey it's not all that bad. If we don't have our fantasies, we don't have much to strive for, or appreciate what we already have. Sometimes I have thoughts like these and wonder how things would be if I did something differennt, but at the end of the day I'm happy with my choice. And some, I'm not, but I'll never know, huh? It's good to fantasize but fantasies always play out in our favor. The reality of how the situations could be is usually nowhere close to what we could have imagined
One of the most underrated parts of the entire show is when she tells him later that she was only in Maine for a month. You can see it on Bojack’s face how devastating that is to him, and I think it’s one of the most relatable parts of the series.
He could’ve had it all if he simply just not let his own demons and trauma be excuses for him to remain terrible, he ruined so many lives to the point rehab wasn’t enough to give him a fresh start. Sure Prison is something he deserves but I really wished Bojack found a way to make amends. I think a great lesson about his character shows those who dealt with similar type drama should never go down the path Bojack went on
Whenever i watch this scene, it makes me think that even though it was all just a drug induced dream, it was still a good example of the happy life Bojack always wanted and or could've had if he left his life in LA behind to start a life with Charlotte in the past, but as we all know Bojack blew his chance with Charlotte 30 years ago and whether he likes it or not, for Bojack Charlotte will always be the one that got away.
@@CannonZeroKiryu I think Hollywood (or Hollywoo) brought out the worst in him. He was always a flawed person, but Hollywood took away any real incentive to change as a person.
He doesn't think of the difficulty here , he thinks of a sitcom lifestyle that ends happily. He would blame them for not being famous anymore and probably go out to the bar and do shit stuff like his dad and inflict his trauma onto his child
This scene always gets me, everytime i re-watch it, seeing how amazing things are when you imagine yourself free, without worries or bad memories, just you with a calm and relaxing world, until you open your eyes and remember, that you are not in that life, that it's just fantasy, a dream that you horribly want to be in but you're not, that you're still trapped in the difficult life that you, someone or something created, that makes your life hard to live everyday
One thing that stuck out to me about Harper (in my opinion) is that she does look like Beatrice but the eyes remind me of her doll that Bojack threw out the window
one of my favorite details is how his imaginary daughter’s name is harper, like harper’s landing, where beatrice spent her summers. not to mention harper looks like beatrice when she was younger
This was so cute and painful. I'm happy because Bojack would have been happy. Sad because this means that Bojack really wasn't in love with Princess because he didn't want to have a child with her. Which was good because she met the man who would love her.
Remember, celebrities can still have a happy life with a family, and there are a lot of them that proves that But bojack couldn't. Became a jerk when he got famous, got into addictions and never tried to outcome his childhood traumas
A little detail that you would notice is that he holds his "daughter" like it's a doll. He craves it back and forth like a little girl would to a dog, and you can easily tell, that's not how people would normally hold a baby in the show.
That last line Charlotte said just made me laugh like a madman. All that love, all those memories, all those years, just a passing thought of what could've been. I have to watch this show.
Did you watch it? If you haven’t yet, be prepared, it’s an amazing show with some of most intelligent and hilarious comedic moments, but at the same time it can be deeply dark and depressing at times.
Seeing this is doubly sad because I'm convinced that Bojack wouldn't have gotten this life if he had chosen Charlotte... He's had so many chances to be happy and avoid conflict in his normal life, yet he just can't help himself. His old life would've pulled him back, or he would've had to really struggle to manage the toxicity in him. It takes boring, constant, hard work to improve oneself, *especially* when you got a lot of issues.
god I absolutely adore this scene and after watching more of the show (especially looking back on this after escape from LA) my view on it has kinda changed in a way I didn't expect. at first, it was pretty gut wrenching to watch, a man with so many problems living such a miserable life thinking about how if he just made better decisions, he could've lived a wholesome, fulfilling life filled with a family he loves. that's so tragic just on its own, and that last line works so well bc I felt that sharp snap back to reality when she says that, like you're with him in enjoying this fantasy and getting lost in it, but just when things seem perfect, there's that "this would've been so nice if you chose it", and the illusion just dead stops and we go back to thinking how miserable he is, and the fantasy becomes tainted. this episode and really this scene is what made me first love bojack and recognize what an emotionally powerful and introspective show it is. but after the scene in escape from la where Charlotte says "you don't know me, we knew each other for a little bit 30 years ago", it really changes this scene. at first, we agree with bojack, we think this scene was a legitimate missed opportunity, that we all assumed charlotte would love him like this, and they'd end up like this together. but the scene with Charlotte in escape to LA really makes you look at it a different way, and just see how delusional and kind of pathetic this fantasy is. we see how this fantasy is actually a kind of self destruction because he chose the other path in his life that would've made him happy, believing that it totally would've happened, and he makes himself miserable for his poor decisions. but it's just a lie, he wants to go to a place that would've never existed, he's just desperate and is willing to create really damaging fantasies based on his own self hatred. at first this scene feels really sad for the same reason it makes bojack sad, but looking back it seems more immature and pathetic, more so exemplary of bojacks terrible brain instead of his terrible decisions. man this show is fucking smart
There are a lot of things about this show that have had a powerful impact on me. And this was among the greatest. To see Bojack throw away what he really wanted in life to be famous showed me that there is so much more to life than fame or career. Regular everyday people are sometimes 10x happier than famous actresses or billionaires. He was too "cowardly" to live an average life. He had to be "special" to prove himself to others.
Bojack is both giving his child a a childhood he never had when he was a kid (no violent/manipulative parents , no drugs/alcohol) and also since the daughter looks like his mother it’s like he is also giving her a good childhood
The ending of this where he wakes up in a liquor store parking lot in the rain inspired me to get sober. Nice job leaving it in as the juxtaposition is the entire point of the scene
this is such a touching scene but even if he had married charlotte and had a kid, his life would not have been like this at all. he would have fucked up his kid the way his parents fucked him up. it's better that he doesn't have kids. but something about this still gets me. he knows his life will never be like this but he still wishes deep down it was.
"Bojack ?" "Yes deer ?"
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It's crazy Charlotte and Bojack have that exact same interaction in season 2!!
*lung’s pops*
Harper has the same voice actress as Sarah Lynn... oh NOOOOO
Bojack himself said he thinks of Sarah as a daughter which is disturbing af
@@user-pi3hd2bt3f oh noooo Harper!
Wait I thought it was Alison Bree who is Diane
All the better to disturb us with. Season 1 trippy as balls!
@George Allen Nope, Harper is voiced by Kirsten Schaal :)
Harper looks exactly like his mother, almost like bojack is giving his mother a better childhood so she wont be miserable,
That sounds sweet at first, but isn’t it more depressing knowing the fact that bojack never got to have Harper or end up with Charlotte, basically meaning that Beatrice never got to have a good childhood?
@@Nyofui also that hollyhock couldve had this but bojack missed that boat too
@@tinyalie1 yeah, it sucks in a way that he never seizes these opportunities due to the fact he keeps holding back his past
I assumed bojack didn't know of his mother's childhood.
@@musicaddict123 i thought he knew about crackerjack and his grandmother
Bojack barely even knew Charlotte, and that's why she was so endearing to him. He only ever saw her as a normal, decent person; someone who wasn't tainted. He had been in relationships with Wanda and Carolyn, yet he never fantasized about them in this way because he knew their flaws and who they truly were. Bojack had a few alright interactions with Charlotte in his twenties, and he has since maintained a parochial view of her as a pure and unflawed person. In my opinion, he never saw Charlotte as a someone he loved, rather, he saw her as a gateway to a clean life.
Don't mean to sound nerdy, but if you notice in some episodes whenever Charlotte is walking away, it's framed as her walking down a straight path with pleasant, almost heavenly music playing? It usually happens after her and Bojack talk, and your interpretation reminded me of that.
Yup. And for reason, this perfect woman he imagines would also cheat on her husband and abandon her children for him. I guess it checks out, since Bojack is just full of contradictions.
"Im gonna project my dream girl all over this random barista I just met" is the modern equivalent
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@@xShinigamiRyukuuxIt was one second. She didn't follow through.
_What are you thinking about?_
_“Just how nice things could have been had you chooses this life”_
This is what nightmares are made of
big oof
cruel quote makes everybody think of their past decisions and how their life could have been
That line made me tear up
Hardly the the deepest quote in the show
It makes the scene a lot less heartbreaking when you realize that even if Bojack had stayed this outcome was anything but guaranteed.
Different doesn't have to mean worse though
I would like to believe so.
Tbf, bojack didn't really start becomming a jerk until after fame started rushing to his head.
Even if he still had flaws, he would still most likely be a better person.
It was still pretty depressing to me even knowing that
@@slyninja4444 iirc shit rlly went down after the herb incident right?
Seeing Harper as the spitting image of Beatrice is just…heartbreaking. It not only indicates that Bojack loved his mother enough to imagine a daughter who resembles her so strongly, but that he also maybe wanted to vicariously give her a life that was better than the one she had.
Well, if ya need me I'll be face down in a puddle of tears
@@iceluvndiva21 ❤️❤️
I noticed that Harper looks like a doll, which Beatrice cared about
@@user-rg9yy1qd6f She kinda does, but go back and look at young Beatrice next to Harper.
@@emmawieson2121Sorry. I wasn't
observant
The grass isn't always greener. Even if he had left Hollywood, it wouldn't have changed everything that happened before in his life. If I had to guess, he probably would have resented Charlotte for taking away his chance at fame and drove her away as a result.
everything is not black or white its grey both good and bad things happen all the time
@@TiffanyRay All of it is hair splitting. Good, evil, positive, negative, etc. None of it exists outside of the Anthropocene. We are all responsible for the choices we make; regretting them is extreme self-indulgence. Reflection is different than regret, however.
@@theskiesaredarkPeople always say that, but never consider that there Are factors that causes the choices made and how they're affected. How we grow up is also a factor, especially for those in a broken home or with a mental illness that often goes untreated because of the people we're around. A person may make a choice, but what lead a person to make said choice holds a deeper connection than we realize.
Perhaps it’s just as much about making the best of our situation and cherishing the people around us as it is choosing the right path in life. The true travesty is the finite time that we all have 😔
This is so true. He just wants to think things would be better. But as Todd said, you are everything that is wrong with you, tis you.
I know it's a rose-tinted fantasy but seeing Bojack play with Harper always gets me in some way. It's made obvious that he doesn't want children in his real life (which in my opinion is a smart decision on his part) but deep down there's something in him that would like to be a father.
Also the part where he says he's gonna eat her hands as baby talk reminded me of how people would tell you to keep your hand flat when feeding a horse as a kid, otherwise they'd eat your fingers!
I don't think he doesn't want children, I think he does and you can see it in his relationship with Hollyhock. But he also fears (and probably for good reason) that he can't handle a child and will mess them up the way his parents messed him up. This is how he wishes he could raise a daughter but he can't handle the responsibility
@@greentaigo2552 there's also the under the sea episode where he's trying to get the sea horse baby back to his dad. By the end he grew attached to the baby and longingly looks at the babies before leaving.
To add onto what the other two people said, I believe he tried to become a parental figure in Sarah lynn’s life after meeting back up with her, since he was never there for her when she was small. Of course that got thrown out the window after they had sex and he left her to die, but the thought counts
@@justausername5749 nah he was just trying to re live his horsing around days i believed
right:(
IDK why, but I liked it when Bojack booped Charlotte's ear. The animation is really cute.
I knowwww it reminds me when I pet my dogs ear and it twitches like that ☺️ It’s so cute
I do that to my dog’s ears! Little details like that throughout the show really endeared me to it.
Nigga you a furry
You're definitely a furry! True though
This is the good ending. Nothing else happened. Bojack chooses this life and doesn't fuck it up. He becomes sober and self actualized. And is no longer running from secrets that haunt him.
The only problem is that this, if it was real, is an entirely different timeline than Bojack Horseman. He would have to have left LA with Charlotte when he was a young man.
Still a good ending but an entirely different Bojack Horseman.
The actual good ending of Bojack Horseman imo is S6E7
@@nonchalantdewiness S6E7
@@DeeDoctor yes I meant that one ups lmao thank you
This is a hallucination BoJack has in season 1 (or 2 i can't remember) when he gets high with Sarah Lyhn (not the one where she dies, thats later)
I think the most fascinating part of this scene is that Kristen Schaal can do other voices besides the Mabel voice.
Hahaha thats a good point
wait that was Kristen Schaal???? I legit had no idea - her voice is so distinct I can tell it apart for like most animated shows, but I really had no idea for this one
oh - wait who is Kristen Schaal in this scene?
@@yjzhou1 Harper I think
Had no idea this was her
Interesting look in hindsight; Bojack’s hair is graying because that’s how it really is as revealed in season 6.
What color is that, Sharpie?
Dude, he DYED his hair in season 6. It’s not his natural hair color.
@@freeunderratedmusic4273 nah he has been dying his hair black until he was called out for doing so.
Katsuragi Keima No. Watch the episode again. He asked for a new hair color and chose grey, in which he commented that he looks old. It was never his original hair color.
He’s not really like that his hair has always been black he just made it grey to look different
This is so sad beacuse Bojack reflects what most of us long for if we had taken other choices but we end up regretting the decisions we have.
True. :/
Can still make those other choices, all depends on whether one wants.
Then stop regretting what you don't have and start appreciating what you do
@@justanothermortal1373 well said.
When you realize Harper was named after Harper's Landing, Michigan
Damn. This is the most deliberately written show I have ever seen. Maybe even more so than Breaking Bad. Like the lollipop song callback to season 1 from season 5 episode 6. You just know it was planned all along. It's incredible.
@@Steelburgh Agreed. There is was another scene early on in season 1 where Bojack has this super bad trip with Sarah Lynn and Todd. He goes through a series of unfortunate events in his life, and one scene pans out to a younger him waiting by himself in a soccer field. It doesn't make too much sense when you first watch it but.... *spoiler below*
Only when you watch Free Churro in Season 5 will that make sense to you.
It's the little details in which I love this show.
huh
It's a gorgeous name too
omg...
Hm... something I just noticed: Charlotte doesn't look any older after the timeskip.
She's the idealized version of Charlotte who never grows old or loses her beauty.
"Yeah, and I'm 80% sure it's yours!" gets me every time. It's like even in his fondest fantasies, Bojack can't imagine a world in which everyone isn't sleeping around on everyone else.
I think it's just meant to be cute sarcasm.
I thought it was a clever reference to deer mating habits.
@@AmbrosiaDreamWeaverI think it’s a reference to Charlotte’s past relationship with Herb
@@tahraethestoryteller6079Herb was....err
@@falconeshieldwell I mean gay people can still have kids and back then some would pose as straight and have a wife and kids
The way he paints this fantasy, it's so tempting to think that Bojack would have been happy living a life like this. But the truth is, having a family can be hard, and these are just wholesome sitcom scenes he's dreamed up for himself. Having a partner and children means choosing your loved ones day after day, and Bojack has never had that kind of follow-through.
One can do a lot worse with one's deep-down desires.
Biggest problem is that bojack is addicted to fame/approval. This quiet lifestyle doesnt suit him.
Also hes pretty terrible with kids, being petty about vincent adultman, being shitty to todd and undermined his success, penny and friends fiasco and of course sarahlynn.
You’re very wise. That’s what all those who are longing for a life like this often miss.
I like that Bojack isn’t even phased that Charlotte’s only 80% sure.
In _Escape from L.A._ I was 80% sure that nothing bad would happen while Bojack was hanging with Charlotte's family, but unfortunately I did not think about the 20% that I was missing.
80% is still a passing grade. I'd take those odds
You missed the best part. When he comes to his senses in the streets being old, miserable, cold and alone.
That scene broke me
I really want this to be a fanfiction. I know it logically wouldn't have worked out like this but it's such a happy dream I wish it would would
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He dreamed of a life with a woman he knew for "five minutes, years ago" where he was happy. Where he had a kid, even though he feared having kids in real life because he worried he'd just screw them up like his parents did. You'd think that dream would inspire him to change his ways and not miss another opportunity, but it only fed the guilt that made him so self destructive. Heartbreakingly realistic
He aborted all of his kids
@@falconeshieldhe paid for them, but he wasn't sure if the women just took the money and kept the babies. Like Sarah Lynn's wh0re of a mother, some mothers are willing to live through their own children even if it destroys then.
I don't think that this is simply a fantasy of him with Charlotte, I think it was a fantasy of him being a normal, functional person without depression as well. In-story he knows he doesn't and couldn't be a father. But something in him yearns for the family he never had... but for that to be, you can't be broken. He certainly made his own dream age like milk.
“ daddy?” “ Harper?” It’s so cute!
This is also such a great depiction not only of BoJack's unrealistic expectations, but also on his fallacy thinking that this life would be guaranteed simply by choosing Charlotte. Once again, BoJack doesn't understand that in order for you to have the best chance for a life like this, a lot of work has to be put into yourself and caring for the other person. BoJack could've chosen Charlotte, but he still would've been the same damaged, alcoholic, drug addict who is toxic around others.
The saddest thing about all this? If he had done this instead, he would likely have ended up no different than his father. Bitter and resentful at the life of fame he could have had.
Anyone else have dreams about people that don't exist, and in the dream you form a real emotional attachment them so when you wake up, you're grieving?
I sobbed like a baby at this whole sequence. Everything is so perfect in his imagination but in contrast his life is actually crumbling and he's second guessing all of his choices, doubting his future at every turn
If Bojack had chosen this life, it would not be this idealistic fantasy. He would’ve struggled the way most working families do, to pay bills, going to work every day and having an nagging boss, etc. With all the stress that just comes with raising a family and being alive he would’ve turned on the TV and saw Herb Kazazz producing shows, and he’d think to himself “that should be me on there. Rich and famous.” And he’d grow bitter towards Charlotte and Harper. He’s Bojack Horseman. There’s no cure for that.
This might the truest thing anyone has ever said regarding this show
Goddamn hearing Will Arnett be all soft like that is doing things to me.
Right?
The fact that his daughter has the same voice as Sarah Lynn...
And looks so much like his mom....
“Just how nice things could have been had you chooses this life”
..........This kills a man
This is actually breaking my heart a little, cause that's how I saw my life (pretty much) with a long lost friend...
I tottaly get you... for the past 5 years..since now.
Same
I know how badly you wanted it to happen, but all of you need to realize that you're idealizing that person and putting them on a pedestal. Life is messy, it rarely works out the way it is in our fantasies. There's a reason you didn't end up with the girl you thought would have been your soulmate. "If only", you think, "it would have been the greatest love of my life". But how can they be your soulmate in the first place, by the simple fact that they're NOT with you?
Even if you had managed to "win" her affections, it's statistically likely that it wouldn't have lasted. Relationships are messy, they require a lot of hard work and compromise on both sides in order to survive. Had your fantasy played out, you could no longer be able to idealize them as you do now, because you'd see them for who they really are: a human being, as opposed to the perfect, girl-shaped shadow you keep locked up in your memory. No person can possibly live up to that. How could they? People are flawed, unpredictable, and most importantly, they change.
There's no such thing as "the one who got away". If they didn't make any effort to be with you in the first place, they didn't "get away", they were never yours to begin with.
@@WobblesandBean God damn. Hardcore reality check. Thanks, Amelia.
@Amelia Bee Just WOOOW lol wtf, talk about insecure! What an extremely gross and unrealistic toxic projection you made, and the fact that there are so many like you in this comment section. I'm glad disgustingly negative people like you are the minority in real life outside of the internet. It's not about them being our soulmate, it's about them POTENTIALLY being the one and us being theirs if we both had chosen to commit and strive for that! Especially when they may have shown potential interest or no real objection to a possible deeper relationship. The valid regret comes from us not pursuing it further when nothing was standing in the way, the only thing getting in the way was our own inaction to take it to the next level. So we validly regret that, "they were never yours" becomes completely and objectively untrue when we literally in reality had a opportunity at one point to make them "ours" and us "theirs" without issue. That's how it works in reality when they are considered "the one that got away". That for whatever personal reason that we'd regret now, they would have agreed to be with us and been "ours" had we simply confronted them and acted on it. Now they're realistically the one that got away. And "Soul Mates" do exist for literally some BILLIONS of couples throughout human history and up to now as that is what they'd describe themselves as tome and time again. It's something only they can determine for themselves. It's honestly disgusting constantly seeing nihilistic/pessimistic/antiromantic views like yours frequently and falsely being parroted as 'realistic' on the internet. It's unrealistic and completely dismissive of the reality of the valid passions and virtues of the human heart and spirit. These strong actions and feelings are what shows itself time and time again as reality for people. Your dismissive and willfully negative subjections do not...
As happy as this scene comes off, it is one of the darkest and most heart shattering ones throughout the entirety of the show.
Honestly, nothing is stopping him from buying a small house in a small town and starting over.
It still wouldn't fill that void.
He tried
No people would come out with all the "bad shit" he did when he was being the biggest chad
@@themerrymaker7144 Bochad Horseman
He already tried that
This is one of the first scenes that really shows you how bone chillingly depressing this show gets, it's indescribably amazing
I know bro I'm saying this all the time
Just a few neat things: In the dream sequence, Bojack and Charlotte's fictional daughter is called Harper, and Bojack's family lakehouse was in Harper's Landing, Michigan. The baby seahorse in 'Fish out of Water' was also modelled after her. Also: In the dream, Bojack talks about running into "Ed" at the hardware store, and when he actually goes to Harper's Landing in S4, the first person he meets is Eddie, who is a handyman and helps him fix up the house. I wonder if that last one is a stretch, but either way I think it's a cool coincidence.
Never do this to yourself, never build a scenario like this as your escape.
It's a comforting fantasy but if you convince yourself 'I could have had this if I did X differently' it can easily lead to self-hatred.
Does anyone else feel like this scene makes the Penny situation hit 10x harder and feel so much worse. He fantasized about having a daughter with Charlotte then went on to groom her daughter
Bojack could never be this happy…he would definitely self sabotage
Even in this dream, Bojack can't help but subconsciously make sexual comments. It really shows who he is, how lost he is
I dont know why but when harper asks bojack "Where does the stars go?" It reminds me of my younger brother when we were kids and it really touched me... I remember my brother asking alot of strange questions back in the day and one day i kinda got tired of it and asked him really loudly why he wanted to know everything and if he wanted to be the smartest person in the world or what... Then i remember he calmly said "No im just curious" I dont know why but after that i had a hard time being mad at him over him constantly asking questions... It was kinda qute when i look back at it :) He was and still is a good brother and we are really close friends today
aw that’s so sweet! i hope me and my little sister are like that in the future :)))
Even though this is an old video, I like the subtle foreshadowing that his black hair was dyed up until Season 6. It's clear how they represented it as a form of vulnerability on Bojack's part, no longer looking the part of Hollywoob stardom.
Holy shit, Harper sounds like Sarah Lynn, and she asks "where do the stars go" which Sarah Lynn died in a planetarium
Bojack romanticized this life with Charlotte and built it up so big in his head, all while he neglected those in his life who were supportive and genuinely cared for him (Todd, PC, Diane, Wanda).
When he doesn't make up with Wanda after the argument and skips Todds improv graduation to visit Charlotte I felt bad. Because that's what this show is about, Bojack not realising how great the people around him are until its too late.
Is it me or does Harper's boyfriend kinda look life Charlotte's actual husband in New Mexico?...
Yes, he does.
Bojack knows Kyle's a good guy. Maybe his subconscious would want a man like that for his own daughter.
rkgk1517 smart
@@rkgk1517 but he never known who kyle was
What he should have thought after "I could have had this" is "I can still have this" and then worked toward it (with a different person than Charlotte) if he really wanted it . But well it's bojack 😔
Bojack is so cute when he's not depressed
Love this scene. He's idolizing Charlotte, the fantasy is unrealistic and if he had chosen her to begin with, this probably wouldn't be how things turned out to begin with.
It's always interesting to look back on the different paths we fantasize about. In the moment we think the grass is greener, but that isn't always true.
**Edit wow I didn't expect this to get so many likes. If you're reading this, don't settle, always work towards bettering yourself and find whatever motivates you to keep going and just go. For a while all I was motivated by to live was my cat. Now things are better, and although she's passed away, her memory is alive with me forever.
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So realistic.... so sad
@@josezhunio9605 Tell me about it! But hey it's not all that bad. If we don't have our fantasies, we don't have much to strive for, or appreciate what we already have.
Sometimes I have thoughts like these and wonder how things would be if I did something differennt, but at the end of the day I'm happy with my choice. And some, I'm not, but I'll never know, huh?
It's good to fantasize but fantasies always play out in our favor. The reality of how the situations could be is usually nowhere close to what we could have imagined
One of the most underrated parts of the entire show is when she tells him later that she was only in Maine for a month. You can see it on Bojack’s face how devastating that is to him, and I think it’s one of the most relatable parts of the series.
Is Bojack destined to have life of hollywood? Or did he chose he's life to have life of hollywood?
You're thinking like a Nihilist
He could’ve had it all if he simply just not let his own demons and trauma be excuses for him to remain terrible, he ruined so many lives to the point rehab wasn’t enough to give him a fresh start. Sure Prison is something he deserves but I really wished Bojack found a way to make amends. I think a great lesson about his character shows those who dealt with similar type drama should never go down the path Bojack went on
Too late
We all have this kind of dream
Whenever i watch this scene, it makes me think that even though it was all just a drug induced dream, it was still a good example of the happy life Bojack always wanted and or could've had if he left his life in LA behind to start a life with Charlotte in the past, but as we all know Bojack blew his chance with Charlotte 30 years ago and whether he likes it or not, for Bojack Charlotte will always be the one that got away.
But knowing Bojack and his personal traumas, it wouldn’t last long.
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I think Hollywood (or Hollywoo) brought out the worst in him.
He was always a flawed person, but Hollywood took away any real incentive to change as a person.
Not to mention the nail on the coffin with Him trying to rail Penny
Nah I think even if he left Hollywood he would’ve probably started to to resent Charlotte for “taking away his chance at fame” or something
He doesn't think of the difficulty here , he thinks of a sitcom lifestyle that ends happily. He would blame them for not being famous anymore and probably go out to the bar and do shit stuff like his dad and inflict his trauma onto his child
things always taste better when they're fiction
Anybody else ever had a fantasy like this? Thought about a life we could've had if we'd made a different choice?
Bojacks daughter looks like his mother's doll
This scene always gets me, everytime i re-watch it, seeing how amazing things are when you imagine yourself free, without worries or bad memories, just you with a calm and relaxing world, until you open your eyes and remember, that you are not in that life, that it's just fantasy, a dream that you horribly want to be in but you're not, that you're still trapped in the difficult life that you, someone or something created, that makes your life hard to live everyday
When she said 80% I was like 🤨
I just realized that baby Harper looks like Beatrice's baby doll.
I think of this scene everytime my highchool crush uploads an instagram pic with her husband.
One thing that stuck out to me about Harper (in my opinion) is that she does look like Beatrice but the eyes remind me of her doll that Bojack threw out the window
The fact that Harper looks just like Beatrice that kinda gets me.
one of my favorite details is how his imaginary daughter’s name is harper, like harper’s landing, where beatrice spent her summers. not to mention harper looks like beatrice when she was younger
that thing where he spins Harper around in the water is such a dad move
He ran into Ed at the hardware store
Eddie, he ran into Eddie the fly
"Daddy?"
"Harper."
It’s interesting that Harper looks like across between Beatrice and Hollyhock
also the fact that Harper is voiced by the same actor as Sarah Lynn. . . Fuck man.
This was so cute and painful. I'm happy because Bojack would have been happy. Sad because this means that Bojack really wasn't in love with Princess because he didn't want to have a child with her. Which was good because she met the man who would love her.
Remember, celebrities can still have a happy life with a family, and there are a lot of them that proves that
But bojack couldn't. Became a jerk when he got famous, got into addictions and never tried to outcome his childhood traumas
A little detail that you would notice is that he holds his "daughter" like it's a doll. He craves it back and forth like a little girl would to a dog, and you can easily tell, that's not how people would normally hold a baby in the show.
That last line Charlotte said just made me laugh like a madman. All that love, all those memories, all those years, just a passing thought of what could've been.
I have to watch this show.
Did you watch it? If you haven’t yet, be prepared, it’s an amazing show with some of most intelligent and hilarious comedic moments, but at the same time it can be deeply dark and depressing at times.
Holly hock would have made a great aunt.
Did anyone catch it? "Bojack! The Supper's ready" appears in real life when he visits Charlotte in New-Mexico.
What a brilliant show!
Haunted by the things that could have been
And left to rot by the mistakes he made
That’s life for you
Seeing this is doubly sad because I'm convinced that Bojack wouldn't have gotten this life if he had chosen Charlotte... He's had so many chances to be happy and avoid conflict in his normal life, yet he just can't help himself. His old life would've pulled him back, or he would've had to really struggle to manage the toxicity in him.
It takes boring, constant, hard work to improve oneself, *especially* when you got a lot of issues.
It so simple, but it's still one of the most heartbreaking scenes I've ever seen
Them missed an opportunity for Bojack to say “7ish months” instead of “9 months” because that is roughy a deer’s gustation period
Harper is just a mix of Sarah and His mother
god I absolutely adore this scene and after watching more of the show (especially looking back on this after escape from LA) my view on it has kinda changed in a way I didn't expect. at first, it was pretty gut wrenching to watch, a man with so many problems living such a miserable life thinking about how if he just made better decisions, he could've lived a wholesome, fulfilling life filled with a family he loves. that's so tragic just on its own, and that last line works so well bc I felt that sharp snap back to reality when she says that, like you're with him in enjoying this fantasy and getting lost in it, but just when things seem perfect, there's that "this would've been so nice if you chose it", and the illusion just dead stops and we go back to thinking how miserable he is, and the fantasy becomes tainted. this episode and really this scene is what made me first love bojack and recognize what an emotionally powerful and introspective show it is.
but after the scene in escape from la where Charlotte says "you don't know me, we knew each other for a little bit 30 years ago", it really changes this scene. at first, we agree with bojack, we think this scene was a legitimate missed opportunity, that we all assumed charlotte would love him like this, and they'd end up like this together. but the scene with Charlotte in escape to LA really makes you look at it a different way, and just see how delusional and kind of pathetic this fantasy is. we see how this fantasy is actually a kind of self destruction because he chose the other path in his life that would've made him happy, believing that it totally would've happened, and he makes himself miserable for his poor decisions. but it's just a lie, he wants to go to a place that would've never existed, he's just desperate and is willing to create really damaging fantasies based on his own self hatred. at first this scene feels really sad for the same reason it makes bojack sad, but looking back it seems more immature and pathetic, more so exemplary of bojacks terrible brain instead of his terrible decisions. man this show is fucking smart
0:45 "I'm pregnant and I'm 80% sure it's yours"
Nobody gonna talk about this?
I like how he's just like
*I don't wanna spook the baby*
Is nobody gonna talk about Harper looking like Beatrice and Hollyhock in this?
Knowing Bojack, he would have fucked this life up anyways.
This entire episode brought out all the emotions no other tv series has. BoJack Horseman truly is a cinematic gem.
For me this was by far the saddest thing this show has done...it breaks my heart into tiny little pieces
This isn't a real family, this is a comfy sitcom-like family, BoJack's ideal and only idea of a "healthy" family
This isn’t a dream, he’s tripping
"Daddy"
"Harper"
💗
His child looks like a mix between Beatrice and Hollyhock
The reality we all wished for Bojack
harper is so adorable and empty minded lol
"If you chose this life.."
Wow 5 Words that messed Bojack's whole career
Aye better than 17 words let alone 17 Minutes
There are a lot of things about this show that have had a powerful impact on me. And this was among the greatest. To see Bojack throw away what he really wanted in life to be famous showed me that there is so much more to life than fame or career. Regular everyday people are sometimes 10x happier than famous actresses or billionaires. He was too "cowardly" to live an average life. He had to be "special" to prove himself to others.
If Bojack had this life he would have been a better parent than his own.
Bojack is both giving his child a a childhood he never had when he was a kid (no violent/manipulative parents , no drugs/alcohol) and also since the daughter looks like his mother it’s like he is also giving her a good childhood
Harper's voice is similar to Sarah Lynn's
Same voice actress
actually she has the same VA as Diane
This scene broke me.
This honestly made me cry it’s beautiful 🥺
The ending of this where he wakes up in a liquor store parking lot in the rain inspired me to get sober.
Nice job leaving it in as the juxtaposition is the entire point of the scene
this is such a touching scene but even if he had married charlotte and had a kid, his life would not have been like this at all. he would have fucked up his kid the way his parents fucked him up. it's better that he doesn't have kids. but something about this still gets me. he knows his life will never be like this but he still wishes deep down it was.