Hey fella! I got one better for you that you probably don't know about (actually I don't think many people know about it, so if you feel it's worth a mention in future feel free) but a barbarian with the ring of flinging, tavern brawler feat, and the gloves of uninhibited kushido (all available in act 1) can throw water, oil or powder barrels for pretty impressive damage (5d4 + double strength) and make a surface. Once they have multiattack, they can follow up with throwing a torch which also does about 4d4 plus strength and ignites oil/firewine/powder. But wait there's more! If you're worried about carrying all those barrels.... I stumbled across a container in the underdark "arcane tower" area called the Chest of the Mundane. When you find it, it's full of junk items like forks and cups but if you take them out they turn into valuables. Thing is, it's not a one time effect, and if you right click and pick it up, any item you place inside of it will turn into a fork or bowl while it's inside... weight and all. Your barbarian gets a slightly hefty bag of holding that you can keep EVERY SINGLE BARREL you find inside to throw to your hearts content.
@@gregorysargusburger4435 It was, however, it appears this was unintended. As of the patch this morning my fun is officially limited to the 35 or so barrels I managed to stuff in there prior to the following change; "Fixed a bug where adding items to the Chest of the Mundane changed the weight of an item."
The Berserker subclass has enraged throw, where you can throw using a bonus action. Get three levels of rogue > thief and you get an extra bonus action. Though three levels is an expensive investment :D
lmao, that's common knowledge. What's also common knowledge is that you can no longer pick it up. It's no longer available to do what you just explained.
1) theres nothing wrong with using a spell slot to create water, plenty of times you'll notice shadowheart isnt going to do much damage unless you respecced her into a more damage oriented role, in that case this isnt for you. this for anyone using a healer. you'll notice often times they get top initiative and wont have anyone to heal because no one is hurt yet, so you just make them shoot an arrow or cast guiding bolt or something. there is nothing wrong with using their turn to set up the *rest of the encounter* with a single turn. Think about how many turns you've had wasted just because your attack roll missed, or you misclicked and the game decided to waste your turn anyway, or the enemy makes the saving throw also wasting your turn. using your turn to cast create water is a guaranteed hit, cannot fail, no saving throw, it just works, and you get to pick the area you want to affect. This is god tier since it cant fail, and if an enemy counter spells, thats even better because they just wasted a slot that could've cast fireball just to stop you from making them a little wet. excellent spell. The complaint that oh its a wasted spell slot, so is any other spell you cast that fails or misses, thats DnD, at least with create water its never a wasted action. 2) surfaces. this only works if you're meta gaming and know a combat encounter is coming up. if you're going to meta game and you already know what encounters are coming up, you dont really need any of these OP strategies because you already know what the enemy will do so you could easily just plant explosive barrels and OTK the entire encounter. These strategies should be general strategies for players doing their first play through that dont know what to expect, so setting up a surface strategy doesnt work because you never know when you need to do this. If you see a group of enemies and decide to lay a trap for them, thats fine, but you dont know where they will move or if they will even move into your trap, often times they will jump over all surface effects and completely waste all the time you spent making that surface trap. Also, the irony that he says create water is a wasted spell slot but shooting chromatic orb into the ground is totally not a wasted spell slot, clown logic tbh. Also you're telling people its totally cool to use up consumables *which are finite* instead of using spell slots *which you get back every long rest with unlimited supplies in the game* clown logic. Look. the reality is this. You can make them wet. double your damage. and win the game. GG easy. this dude is telling you not to use create water and not to use spell slots and oh no you're wasting an action! Listen. your entire build should be based around this if its what you want to do, its called synergy. So your entire party should be electric themed. This means everyone in your group should have lightning, cold, and water spells no matter what, this way it doesnt matter who goes first, whoever it is will have the power to create water, and if the enemy is too spaced out thats fine, because eventually they will move closer and then you can hit them with black hole or something to set them up so that your support caster can hit them with water. then everyone else has permanent double damage rest of the fight. This dude is acting like you should only ever have your main character do anything, which is completely wrong. hes telling you to use consumables instead of spell slots, also wrong. you can do it however you want, dont listen to this dude.
This is a little harsh, but I agree that initiating combat with Create Water is very much worth it if your whole team is prepped for that. Still, this video is useful. I didn't realize that if you use fire on frozen blood you can create steam, that's genius.
The water bottle crossbow method only cost a bonus action, so it is more efficient than create water, since you can get them wet and blast them in the same turn. Just because you found someone annoying doesnt mean they are wrong. Yes, he mentioned a bunch of useless info to pad out the video, but his main method is good.
Water is extremely op in this game. A high level druid can shapeshift into air elemental and make 3 electric attacks per turn. Apply haste on druid and water on the target and you will do 6x double damage. If the target is under hold person/monster, it will be 6x quadruple damage (elemental weakness + crit).
couldn't you just throw a barrel of water as a part of a barbarian throwing build so you can just also be dealing damage with the throw while making water?
There is one way I feel is worth mentioning left out here. If you run a Berserker barbarian in your party you can get throw as a bonus action. This is significantly better than the off hand arrow BECAUSE: Thrown objects are benefited by 2 key factors. 1. Strength modifier 2. gravity modifier. If you take tavern brawler on your berserker barbarian (which you pretty much always should), then being above an opponent and throwing a bottle of water, is roughly the damage equivalent to a bard using their main hand attack.
The berserker could throw a bottle, but they would lose out on the damage from using an actual thrown weapon. Casters, on the other hand, don't have a lot of use for their bonus action, and the offhand crossbow allows the caster to inflict wet and then cast their spell in one turn.
You can circumvent a lot of the setup for wetting enemies by outsourcing the setup to an ally. Rogues naturally have great action AND movement economy (especially Thief), and I do this with explosives. It's easier if you can manage to hide the turn prior, as you can move in and out, pass enemies without needing to worry about attacks of opportunity. Get close enough to drop a container, and move away. You still have the character's attack and one or even two bonus actions depending if you're a thief and didn't have to cunning dash, which you can use to shoot a fire arrow at the enemy to break the container. If it's a bomb, the fire AoE will make it go boom, if it's water, you get water; and you're getting your sneak attack with either outcome. Pair your rogue and your spellcaster into a group so they can have the same general turn order.
I typically drop a bunch of bottled throwables on the ground next to a mage hand i summon and use the hand to throw things on the field. I also do this with healing potions.
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Whenever there's an invisible enemy, I use Create Water to find them, then use freezing magic. No wasted action since i don't like getting backstabbed.
One can also do this in turn base mode before a fight and it won't use any action, this is regarding the water. Once the fight is initiated in said turn base mode you get full actions as if you didn't use an action to throw the water because it sets you up in the actual battles turn base mode there is a video on it. Makes cheesing the enemies soo much easier.
Heh, one of the reasons why auntie Ethel couldn't trick me into attacking the girl she captured was because I had just put the fires out by tossing a bottle of water at it. Sure enough, once she transformed into the girl, the real one still had the "wet" condition; making it easy to see which one was real. 😃 Haven't really bothered with water+lightning/cold as of yet though. Maybe I'll try it later on.
@@asteroth1986 Oh, that's cool. I never inspected them as I saw the "wet" condition and continued. It's nice that you can also find out the real one through inspecting them. 😃
I just play storm sorc with a couple points in cleric for the channel divinity. Metamagic bonus action the create water, fill the entire field with water (even a mere level 3 slot covers almost a whole room. Seriously check out the upcasts.) Deal warcrime level lightning damage with my action but I also have the boots that keep the water electrified. So it pays off in huge crowds constantly applying both wet and electrify. For me it is more optimal to burn the slot and sorc points to exodia half their team and/or the boss. BUT I didnt even consider making the water into steam. That is so clever.
that intro made me wanna quit but my friend forced me to watch it or instead of focusing all the effort to one character, give water bottles to karlach and she has throw ability as bonus action + alert she always goes before me, and she has that void bulb to pull all enemeis together BUT I'm not the youtube guy
@@ChrisVesgo rage is also a bonus, so you’re still looking at 1 turn to set up, and 1 turn to execute. it isn’t much of a drawback and can be easily planned around but it’s worth mentioning if you’re trying to get the most out of each turn.
Whole fakin vid about hot to throw water and no mage hand mentioned... like wtf. Placing bottles on ground - free Summon mage hand - bonus action. Lasts 10 turns. What else do you need?
Another simple route to freely getting ice/water surfaces is Conjure Elemental. Even the Minor version, you can summon 2 ice mephits, both have a small AoE icebolt and a freezing cone breath. The bigger elementals can as well--Water Myrmidon especially is amazing. And it's part of their main attacks, so you're not "wasting" that action, not to mention your characters still have their full turns. Pets are pretty OP in this game.
Couple of air myrmidons just turn entire battlefield into incapacitating damaging turmoils. Few times i tried it sort of sucked then fun out of the game, my characters just standing in the sidelines watching enemies stumble from one tornado to next.
"Using create water or throwing a water bottle is bad because it uses 1 level 1 spell slot and an action!" Look, you never really use level 1 spell slots after you hit level 3 since generally level 1 spells are terrible. Moving bottle around like that is just tedious and time consuming for very little extra damage. It's far better to just have a cleric, druid or storm sorcerer use their level 1 slot to inflict the wet status, then use the other casters to first electrocute the enemy, then freeze them with an ice spell. Generally, this will one shot most things since, for example, Ice Storm and Lightning Bolt, which means Ice Storm will hit for a maximum of 48 + 16 on a wet target, coupled with the 96 damage fron lightning bolt is a whoping 160 damage in one turn, and on multiple targets. There are almost no enemies apart from bosses and a select few big bois like Cortash's robots that have more than 160, but even then, at that point you have Cone of Cold and Chain Lightning, which is even more damage, enough even to one shot Raphael with just 2 characters, leaving more than enough space for 1 character to use their turn to case create water.
You mention losing turns by normal methods, then you start creating wet floor on 1 turn and then another turn for throwing fire on it to create steam cloud. That's 2 turns when you could use 1 and then attack, and also the enemy can just move away before you complete the combo.
He mentioned those to pad out the video. His actual method is to place a water bottle next to enemies and shoot it with an offhand crossbow, which IS correct and very efficient. Only cost a bonus action.
I started my very first playthrough (as a total BG3 and D&D newbie) as a storm sorcerer. Early into the game you get a staff that gives you the Create Water can trip and I quickly figured out just how effective lightning damage was to targets who are wet or wearing metal armor.
@@SM-McKraken it does not take your actions, once you create the mage hand. You give it a pile of water and/or alchemist's fire and it can keep throwing as you do the casting.
well assassin could make a ranged attack instead and not every party has an assassin best mehod is probably put down water and hit it with offhand crossbow
A proper class mix of a party wud have 2 casters in it. they shoud rotate castıng aoe spells. All you need to do is just cast Bizz or cone of cold , followed by fireball. That will turn ice into water making enemy wet, then next turn cast ur lightning spells follwed by cold spells agaın -- keep repeatıng the cycle. All shall die in 3 turns of combat if not in 2. That wud mean castıng 4 aoe spells and 3 of them doıng double dmg. so all should be dead ez.
All this is boring. Place ten bottles of water, a void bulb and a smokepowder bomb in a barrel. Throw the barrel at someone's head. Light up the smokepowder with a lightning bolt. Or. Go bowling. Put ten or so waterbarrels in a triangle. Aggro the enemy. Now wind blast the barrels into them. Finish with lightning.
Barbarians can get Enraged Throw which is fun because you could use your bonus action to throw a bottle of water OR throw a goblin onto a bottle of water which will either finish him off or just make sure he's in the water with the other enemies your teammate is about to freeze/electrocute :D
Also, if you've got a throwing barbarian build including the gloves and ring that increase throwning damage, then throwing the water bottle already does quite a bit of damage.
very effective way is using the ice memphits from the level 4 minor elementals spell. they have unlimited cold chromatic orb that immediately melts after 1 turn.
As always love your work firespark. You get straight to the systems and strategies that will actually matter (which in this case is if course - don't waste an action to buff an action. Always be hitting AND buffing)
Thats actually a good use of the Drow races weapon proficiency for hand crossbows. I'll keep that in mind, when i create a Sorc on another playthrough.
Reordering the content of the video where you show what works and then explain the surfaces would've been better. At the beginning I thought you were trolling but stuck around and found really useful info.
in Divinity 2 i loved the storm sorcerer build me and my friend played duo whit me as storm sorcerer and they played as frost paladin glorious cc from frost and electricity i wish it was as good in this game
Or you could equip the water trident and water spark boots and lighting immunity ring. Attack and you deal damage and make a surface which is immediately electrified all in a single attack. Plus it keeps everything zoned. Add in gear that procs reverberation on lightning damage and it gets silly very quickly
Really wish the information was presented in the first minute. (use dual hand x-bows and break the water with your bonus) But I did not know that and thank you
No, ranged slot is too valuable to sacrifice for double hand crossbow because of passive buffs on items like Hellrider Longbow, Darkfire Shortbow. Also, should not sacrifice your bonus action. Have a familiar throw or attack dropped water in early game. Wizard can learn quasit from scroll and it can throw (Warlock pact gets it too obviously). Mage hand before combat works also. Later on, not a big deal if it's an action if you have two sorcerers twin casting haste to just cast create water, but early game will want to use one of these strategies.
All depends on how you are plain m8. What works for you and your party may not work for others. One could also argue that attacks from a familiar are more valuable than a bonus action. All depends on what you got goin on. Which is why I tried to cover as many ways as possible. So no your no is indeed invalid lol
the bows do have nice passive defensive buffs. i'd rather have passives that synergize with the build being discussed. mage hand is literally the answer to this video, however. no excuse not to abuse that, not to mention it can create more opportunities for you throughout the fight at no action cost.
There are boots that create electrified water as well...but your character must be standing in said water. It is very useful for linking water bodies together, around corners or from room to room for example.
there is a ring that makes you immune to lightning damage, which makes this a perfect combination. I run it on Karlach and then have 3 ranged characters that can work out of the water.
This is great advice for those unaware. The storm cleric is pretty awesome. I've respecced Shadowheart in every run. The items with the reverberation effects (ring, cloak, and boots maybe?) from thunder damage makes it even sweeter
Yeah it's really nice as an alternative to a Sorcerer or Wizard lighting build. Although Clerics are so useful in other ways as well. Shadowhearts default is pretty bad though.
If you have targets that are numerous or dangerous or grouped up enough, it's WORTH just spending your resources to kill them in one turn. Even on Tactician most bosses shouldn't survive long enough for Wet to wear off.
There’s a green magic item (forgot if it was gloves or jewellery early Act II, I belive) that causes you to create a fairly large ring of ice around the target of a frost spell. I combo it with ray of frost from Ice Staff from Act I - basically anyone can use it. That’s potential big fog cloud after a fire follow up, not to mention the fact that ice is slippery and often makes enemies fall.
Here is how i doo it... Havent seen anybody else soo far... My Barbarian is 8 Barb and 3 Rogue/Thief for the bonus action i made him with more initiative than my sorcs and in the start of the combat i use Rage and throw bottle/barrels around. :D
My TAV is a thief/battlemaster. Because of hand crossbows and bonus actions I've been making 3 attacks/round since level 3, 4/rd since level 8 (without haste of course). Combine with battlemaster maneuvers and sharpshooter and she deals some serious damage.
@@Firespark81 Because barbarians have the strength to carry 2 water barrels and douse a VERY large area....Seen people use barrels effectively already. They have a great deal of fun even on Tactician mode with unusual tactics.
Due to bg3's (and actual dnd) emphasis on action economy. You do want to squeeze every bit of damage and remove as many enemies from the battle asap so shutting the enemies before they can act is crucial. I agree that throwing a bottle in battle isn't the most optimal action if you are sweaty enough to bother putting it out first and have a mage hand throw it. But we'd rather have a martial with multihits throw a bottle to a crowd as long as the doubled lightning removes most of the threats BEFORE THEY ACT in round one than wait for a doubled lighting in round two. Don't we?
This seems like a bit too on the min-max side of things imho and quite misleading as well. First of all you need black hole for you idea to work, every shot you have of doing max dmg is after having yoinked all the enemies together so a single water bottle can hit them, so for anyone not doing illithids, specifically rejecting the evolved illithids, this is not a thing they can do. Secondly create water is not only like double the range at base, but scales, so you can have a companion use a tier 3 create water and basically cover almost all arenas you will find yourself in, this cant happen for bottles. Third is water barrels, you'll need a strong ally to carry it but its way bigger area than a bottle. Fourth issue is that hand crossbows are not available really until end of act 1 - start of act 2. I dont think ive even seen a hand crossbow in act 1 so far, let alone 2 to get the bonus action attack. Just use create water. More reliable, only cost 1 spell and has the highest efficiency.
Dammon in the Grove can sell a Hand Crossbow +1, check his inventory frequently (it refreshes after every Long Rest and level up) and you can get a pair of them pretty easily. Or even four pairs of them if you really need to deck out your entire squad.
You can have a horde of barrels collected if you place them in the chest of the mundane you find in the wizard toward in the underdark. It's basically sort of a bag of holding, sort of. but itll make anything you put into it something much lighter (usually)
Is it wrong? Perhaps not. Are you missing out on vulnerability damage on a whole lot of enemies? Yes. Is this very useful on higher difficulties? Absolutely. Are you playing on higher difficulties? Probably not.
I’ll be trying a viscious combo soon. A big area create water with the cleric, and then a nice and chill Cone of Cold with Gale. It used resources, but it’s a really big AoE of double damage
I think Conjuration Wizards get a free limitless Create Water. I might do a 1 Conjuration Wizard/11 Dragon Sorcerer. Dragon Sorcs are awesome. At level 11 they get Flight as a normal movement ability. Such a quality of life boon right there.
IMO the reason create water is only 1/short rest, and the reason tossing water bottles is a full action is bec the devs knew how powerful it would be. Min/maxers find ways around this and expoit things... which is both clever, smart and "legal." However, under the SPIRIT of the game, it breaks things. I myself am getting tired of the min/maxing and want to play a game that feels "right" to me. Ymmv.
Not sure that is easier than just dropping it during the fight and shooting it. Although it does save you a bonus action. So that would have been good to add to the video. Oh well can't know it all.
@@Firespark81 It's more efficient action econ. Most of the more efficient options do involve outsourcing those actions to out of combat prep however. Like a great way is to initiate combat (ideally surprise enemies) and then have a sneaky character still out of the combat wander out of sight to place down bottles of water or alchemist's fire etc. Or indeed use a mage hand put down ahead of time in combat to save those actions.
Hey fella! I got one better for you that you probably don't know about (actually I don't think many people know about it, so if you feel it's worth a mention in future feel free) but a barbarian with the ring of flinging, tavern brawler feat, and the gloves of uninhibited kushido (all available in act 1) can throw water, oil or powder barrels for pretty impressive damage (5d4 + double strength) and make a surface. Once they have multiattack, they can follow up with throwing a torch which also does about 4d4 plus strength and ignites oil/firewine/powder. But wait there's more! If you're worried about carrying all those barrels.... I stumbled across a container in the underdark "arcane tower" area called the Chest of the Mundane. When you find it, it's full of junk items like forks and cups but if you take them out they turn into valuables. Thing is, it's not a one time effect, and if you right click and pick it up, any item you place inside of it will turn into a fork or bowl while it's inside... weight and all. Your barbarian gets a slightly hefty bag of holding that you can keep EVERY SINGLE BARREL you find inside to throw to your hearts content.
My god, THATS what that chest does?!?! I knew it was magical but had no idea how. Thank you sir.
@@gregorysargusburger4435 It was, however, it appears this was unintended. As of the patch this morning my fun is officially limited to the 35 or so barrels I managed to stuff in there prior to the following change; "Fixed a bug where adding items to the Chest of the Mundane changed the weight of an item."
The fixed it in the recent patch unfortunately.
The Berserker subclass has enraged throw, where you can throw using a bonus action. Get three levels of rogue > thief and you get an extra bonus action. Though three levels is an expensive investment :D
lmao, that's common knowledge. What's also common knowledge is that you can no longer pick it up. It's no longer available to do what you just explained.
TLDW: Use an offhand crossbow to pop water bottles.
😂😂😂 these A.I generated thirst trap thumbnails
Its a elf child with wet hair...........wtf dude
@strawman3859 Lol no. Firespark has been doin these thumbnails for awhile now.
Sure got ya attention didn't it 😁
@Firespark81 The AI babes keep my tent up at night. Keep fightin' the good fight.
It's the only reason I avoided clicking on this for so long lmao. Thought it was some cheap ai generated fake tutorial 😅
Edit: very weird tutorial...
1) theres nothing wrong with using a spell slot to create water, plenty of times you'll notice shadowheart isnt going to do much damage unless you respecced her into a more damage oriented role, in that case this isnt for you. this for anyone using a healer. you'll notice often times they get top initiative and wont have anyone to heal because no one is hurt yet, so you just make them shoot an arrow or cast guiding bolt or something. there is nothing wrong with using their turn to set up the *rest of the encounter* with a single turn. Think about how many turns you've had wasted just because your attack roll missed, or you misclicked and the game decided to waste your turn anyway, or the enemy makes the saving throw also wasting your turn. using your turn to cast create water is a guaranteed hit, cannot fail, no saving throw, it just works, and you get to pick the area you want to affect. This is god tier since it cant fail, and if an enemy counter spells, thats even better because they just wasted a slot that could've cast fireball just to stop you from making them a little wet. excellent spell. The complaint that oh its a wasted spell slot, so is any other spell you cast that fails or misses, thats DnD, at least with create water its never a wasted action.
2) surfaces. this only works if you're meta gaming and know a combat encounter is coming up. if you're going to meta game and you already know what encounters are coming up, you dont really need any of these OP strategies because you already know what the enemy will do so you could easily just plant explosive barrels and OTK the entire encounter. These strategies should be general strategies for players doing their first play through that dont know what to expect, so setting up a surface strategy doesnt work because you never know when you need to do this. If you see a group of enemies and decide to lay a trap for them, thats fine, but you dont know where they will move or if they will even move into your trap, often times they will jump over all surface effects and completely waste all the time you spent making that surface trap. Also, the irony that he says create water is a wasted spell slot but shooting chromatic orb into the ground is totally not a wasted spell slot, clown logic tbh. Also you're telling people its totally cool to use up consumables *which are finite* instead of using spell slots *which you get back every long rest with unlimited supplies in the game* clown logic.
Look. the reality is this. You can make them wet. double your damage. and win the game. GG easy. this dude is telling you not to use create water and not to use spell slots and oh no you're wasting an action! Listen. your entire build should be based around this if its what you want to do, its called synergy. So your entire party should be electric themed. This means everyone in your group should have lightning, cold, and water spells no matter what, this way it doesnt matter who goes first, whoever it is will have the power to create water, and if the enemy is too spaced out thats fine, because eventually they will move closer and then you can hit them with black hole or something to set them up so that your support caster can hit them with water. then everyone else has permanent double damage rest of the fight.
This dude is acting like you should only ever have your main character do anything, which is completely wrong. hes telling you to use consumables instead of spell slots, also wrong. you can do it however you want, dont listen to this dude.
I didn't respec Shadowheart at all. There are few situations that shadowheart isn't powerful in.
This is a little harsh, but I agree that initiating combat with Create Water is very much worth it if your whole team is prepped for that. Still, this video is useful. I didn't realize that if you use fire on frozen blood you can create steam, that's genius.
The water bottle crossbow method only cost a bonus action, so it is more efficient than create water, since you can get them wet and blast them in the same turn.
Just because you found someone annoying doesnt mean they are wrong. Yes, he mentioned a bunch of useless info to pad out the video, but his main method is good.
Water is extremely op in this game. A high level druid can shapeshift into air elemental and make 3 electric attacks per turn. Apply haste on druid and water on the target and you will do 6x double damage. If the target is under hold person/monster, it will be 6x quadruple damage (elemental weakness + crit).
how about a pre summoned mage hand to throw bottles that i place on the ground, so it doesn´t cost me anything to get enemies wet?
couldn't you just throw a barrel of water as a part of a barbarian throwing build so you can just also be dealing damage with the throw while making water?
There's so many little things in this game I would never figure out on my own.
I know how to make enemies wet *22 CHA*
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well you can throw water bottle without losing an action in that turn, just drop it at ground and have the mages hand throw it for you thats all
nice and that is a short rest
There is one way I feel is worth mentioning left out here. If you run a Berserker barbarian in your party you can get throw as a bonus action. This is significantly better than the off hand arrow BECAUSE: Thrown objects are benefited by 2 key factors. 1. Strength modifier 2. gravity modifier. If you take tavern brawler on your berserker barbarian (which you pretty much always should), then being above an opponent and throwing a bottle of water, is roughly the damage equivalent to a bard using their main hand attack.
The berserker could throw a bottle, but they would lose out on the damage from using an actual thrown weapon.
Casters, on the other hand, don't have a lot of use for their bonus action, and the offhand crossbow allows the caster to inflict wet and then cast their spell in one turn.
So the most effective way to make my enemies wet is for things to get steamy ?
Magehand can also throw jugs of water without using an action
how does it not use an action?
@@WhyRUclipsWhymage hand uses it's action to throw your mc doesn't
Have a mage hand throw the water.
You can circumvent a lot of the setup for wetting enemies by outsourcing the setup to an ally. Rogues naturally have great action AND movement economy (especially Thief), and I do this with explosives. It's easier if you can manage to hide the turn prior, as you can move in and out, pass enemies without needing to worry about attacks of opportunity. Get close enough to drop a container, and move away. You still have the character's attack and one or even two bonus actions depending if you're a thief and didn't have to cunning dash, which you can use to shoot a fire arrow at the enemy to break the container. If it's a bomb, the fire AoE will make it go boom, if it's water, you get water; and you're getting your sneak attack with either outcome.
Pair your rogue and your spellcaster into a group so they can have the same general turn order.
I typically drop a bunch of bottled throwables on the ground next to a mage hand i summon and use the hand to throw things on the field. I also do this with healing potions.
Wizard: I have no need for a cleric, I have my trusty mage hand instead
I made a mephistopheles tiefling tempest cleric specifically for their free mage hand to do just this.
This video could've been half as long
Glad I read this before watching. Putting speed at 2x
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The best way is to summon a water myrmidon with conjure elemental, and have them wet the entire screen at will with their heal ability :)
Oh, that's clever. Those elemental summons are pretty sweet.
You're overthinking this, just drop the water on the ground from your inventory and throw it with mage hand
Whenever there's an invisible enemy, I use Create Water to find them, then use freezing magic. No wasted action since i don't like getting backstabbed.
One can also do this in turn base mode before a fight and it won't use any action, this is regarding the water. Once the fight is initiated in said turn base mode you get full actions as if you didn't use an action to throw the water because it sets you up in the actual battles turn base mode there is a video on it. Makes cheesing the enemies soo much easier.
I just lick my screen where the enemy is its free
Heh, one of the reasons why auntie Ethel couldn't trick me into attacking the girl she captured was because I had just put the fires out by tossing a bottle of water at it. Sure enough, once she transformed into the girl, the real one still had the "wet" condition; making it easy to see which one was real. 😃
Haven't really bothered with water+lightning/cold as of yet though. Maybe I'll try it later on.
You can inspect them, the real one is pregnant, the fake isn’t.
@@asteroth1986 Oh, that's cool. I never inspected them as I saw the "wet" condition and continued. It's nice that you can also find out the real one through inspecting them. 😃
Also the girl is level 1 if you inspect, the witch is level 5. That's how I figured out what was what.
I checked the armor class. Apparently there are many ways.
@@vincemazo341 Ah cool, that's nice! Here I was thinking myself so clever when there are more ways to tell the two apart. 😅
I just play storm sorc with a couple points in cleric for the channel divinity.
Metamagic bonus action the create water, fill the entire field with water (even a mere level 3 slot covers almost a whole room. Seriously check out the upcasts.) Deal warcrime level lightning damage with my action but I also have the boots that keep the water electrified. So it pays off in huge crowds constantly applying both wet and electrify. For me it is more optimal to burn the slot and sorc points to exodia half their team and/or the boss.
BUT I didnt even consider making the water into steam. That is so clever.
that intro made me wanna quit but my friend forced me to watch it
or instead of focusing all the effort to one character, give water bottles to karlach and she has throw ability as bonus action + alert she always goes before me, and she has that void bulb to pull all enemeis together
BUT I'm not the youtube guy
thats another way to go about it but it would use up her action/turn to set up somebody else instead of pulling it all off with one character.
@@MadFatSmurf69 karlach frenzy can throw as bonus
@@ChrisVesgo rage is also a bonus, so you’re still looking at 1 turn to set up, and 1 turn to execute. it isn’t much of a drawback and can be easily planned around but it’s worth mentioning if you’re trying to get the most out of each turn.
Mage hand people...use it.
Whole fakin vid about hot to throw water and no mage hand mentioned... like wtf.
Placing bottles on ground - free
Summon mage hand - bonus action. Lasts 10 turns.
What else do you need?
Another simple route to freely getting ice/water surfaces is Conjure Elemental. Even the Minor version, you can summon 2 ice mephits, both have a small AoE icebolt and a freezing cone breath. The bigger elementals can as well--Water Myrmidon especially is amazing. And it's part of their main attacks, so you're not "wasting" that action, not to mention your characters still have their full turns. Pets are pretty OP in this game.
Couple of air myrmidons just turn entire battlefield into incapacitating damaging turmoils. Few times i tried it sort of sucked then fun out of the game, my characters just standing in the sidelines watching enemies stumble from one tornado to next.
Killing the forge guardian using Shovel as the lever operator was the funniest thing ever.
Familiars are a lot of fun.
"Using create water or throwing a water bottle is bad because it uses 1 level 1 spell slot and an action!"
Look, you never really use level 1 spell slots after you hit level 3 since generally level 1 spells are terrible.
Moving bottle around like that is just tedious and time consuming for very little extra damage. It's far better to just have a cleric, druid or storm sorcerer use their level 1 slot to inflict the wet status, then use the other casters to first electrocute the enemy, then freeze them with an ice spell. Generally, this will one shot most things since, for example, Ice Storm and Lightning Bolt, which means Ice Storm will hit for a maximum of 48 + 16 on a wet target, coupled with the 96 damage fron lightning bolt is a whoping 160 damage in one turn, and on multiple targets. There are almost no enemies apart from bosses and a select few big bois like Cortash's robots that have more than 160, but even then, at that point you have Cone of Cold and Chain Lightning, which is even more damage, enough even to one shot Raphael with just 2 characters, leaving more than enough space for 1 character to use their turn to case create water.
You mention losing turns by normal methods, then you start creating wet floor on 1 turn and then another turn for throwing fire on it to create steam cloud. That's 2 turns when you could use 1 and then attack, and also the enemy can just move away before you complete the combo.
He mentioned those to pad out the video.
His actual method is to place a water bottle next to enemies and shoot it with an offhand crossbow, which IS correct and very efficient. Only cost a bonus action.
Why would you go through the process of freezing blood and turning it to steam when you can just cast create water lol
summon mage hand and familiar to position your item is key. Only way you could unlock the Barrel Mancer hidden class.
I started my very first playthrough (as a total BG3 and D&D newbie) as a storm sorcerer. Early into the game you get a staff that gives you the Create Water can trip and I quickly figured out just how effective lightning damage was to targets who are wet or wearing metal armor.
or use mage hand to throw items of water
How is that more efficient that just throwing it one's self?
@@SM-McKraken it does not take your actions, once you create the mage hand. You give it a pile of water and/or alchemist's fire and it can keep throwing as you do the casting.
OR you can make it less complicated, sneak up and throw a bottle with an assassin. They renew their action on combat start.
well assassin could make a ranged attack instead and not every party has an assassin best mehod is probably put down water and hit it with offhand crossbow
A proper class mix of a party wud have 2 casters in it. they shoud rotate castıng aoe spells. All you need to do is just cast Bizz or cone of cold , followed by fireball. That will turn ice into water making enemy wet, then next turn cast ur lightning spells follwed by cold spells agaın -- keep repeatıng the cycle. All shall die in 3 turns of combat if not in 2. That wud mean castıng 4 aoe spells and 3 of them doıng double dmg. so all should be dead ez.
All this is boring.
Place ten bottles of water, a void bulb and a smokepowder bomb in a barrel. Throw the barrel at someone's head. Light up the smokepowder with a lightning bolt.
Or. Go bowling.
Put ten or so waterbarrels in a triangle. Aggro the enemy. Now wind blast the barrels into them. Finish with lightning.
too much work
Barbarians can get Enraged Throw which is fun because you could use your bonus action to throw a bottle of water OR throw a goblin onto a bottle of water which will either finish him off or just make sure he's in the water with the other enemies your teammate is about to freeze/electrocute :D
Also, if you've got a throwing barbarian build including the gloves and ring that increase throwning damage, then throwing the water bottle already does quite a bit of damage.
very effective way is using the ice memphits from the level 4 minor elementals spell. they have unlimited cold chromatic orb that immediately melts after 1 turn.
They are always last in initiative though
As always love your work firespark. You get straight to the systems and strategies that will actually matter (which in this case is if course - don't waste an action to buff an action. Always be hitting AND buffing)
So using create water is inefficient, so instead we’re using two actions to freeze blood and then create water from it?
You didn't watch the full video.
Hr'a'cknir Bracers cast mage hand as a bonus action. Good to have on a team that likes the wet status.
Thats actually a good use of the Drow races weapon proficiency for hand crossbows.
I'll keep that in mind, when i create a Sorc on another playthrough.
If I learn 1 thing from each video, I consider it time well spent. Being able to drop at range is a great tip, thanks!
Reordering the content of the video where you show what works and then explain the surfaces would've been better. At the beginning I thought you were trolling but stuck around and found really useful info.
Instructions unclear, stacked elemental mastery and triggered hyperbloom instead
“Hey, I understood that reference!”
And if ur a circle of spores druid, you can pop the water granade with a reaction point
in Divinity 2 i loved the storm sorcerer build me and my friend played duo whit me as storm sorcerer and they played as frost paladin glorious cc from frost and electricity i wish it was as good in this game
You missed the right way. Summon a mage hand. Use the magehand to rain water on thy enemies for free using throw
Maybe it's cause I had a busy day, but all these descriptions on how to do this just made me tired... But I gave you a like just the same.
Or you could equip the water trident and water spark boots and lighting immunity ring. Attack and you deal damage and make a surface which is immediately electrified all in a single attack. Plus it keeps everything zoned. Add in gear that procs reverberation on lightning damage and it gets silly very quickly
Really wish the information was presented in the first minute. (use dual hand x-bows and break the water with your bonus) But I did not know that and thank you
Yes, most of video was useless.
I think it's good info if you have other characters in your party to help out and let you keep your bonus action
This is why we need the dislike number to be shown. Some good info but way too much waffle!
Hey Firespark81. What did you do to these people. This is one of the most toxic comment sections I've seen for BG3.
That's the ones who resisted the wet condition
No, ranged slot is too valuable to sacrifice for double hand crossbow because of passive buffs on items like Hellrider Longbow, Darkfire Shortbow. Also, should not sacrifice your bonus action. Have a familiar throw or attack dropped water in early game. Wizard can learn quasit from scroll and it can throw (Warlock pact gets it too obviously). Mage hand before combat works also. Later on, not a big deal if it's an action if you have two sorcerers twin casting haste to just cast create water, but early game will want to use one of these strategies.
All depends on how you are plain m8. What works for you and your party may not work for others. One could also argue that attacks from a familiar are more valuable than a bonus action. All depends on what you got goin on. Which is why I tried to cover as many ways as possible. So no your no is indeed invalid lol
Where do you find the Hellrider Longbow?
the bows do have nice passive defensive buffs. i'd rather have passives that synergize with the build being discussed. mage hand is literally the answer to this video, however. no excuse not to abuse that, not to mention it can create more opportunities for you throughout the fight at no action cost.
There are boots that create electrified water as well...but your character must be standing in said water. It is very useful for linking water bodies together, around corners or from room to room for example.
Sneak lightning damage....interesting concept. lol
there is a ring that makes you immune to lightning damage, which makes this a perfect combination.
I run it on Karlach and then have 3 ranged characters that can work out of the water.
why waste a turn when you can waste two turns
Dude lmao I was just thinking this... how is 1 action less efficient than 2 actions?
@@x3wildcardespecially level 1 spells which are only used for creating sorcery points
this is missing one other combo: quickened spell -> create water
Still wasting spell slots and sorcery points.
Nah, just toss down a mage hand for all your bottle throwing needs.
slate storm is perfect for this, it does take a spell slot and a wizard but it's a huge area covered in water
Covered in ice, not water and it doesnt make enemies wet.
What about summoning a mage hand before combat and having it lob water pitchers?
My chidori wizard/Sorc/Temp cleric gonna have a field day after this
I’ll just have a Barbarian soecced for throwing fling water at an enemy. If it survives that. My Storm Sorcerer does the rest…
My storm sorceror has Shadowheart with a similar build shown on this video. Crazy synergy between the two.
Okay, I did not know steam clouds were a thing, thats pretty cool.
The elemental damage in divinity 2 was easy-to-use they made it less powerful in bg3 in my opinion
Divinity 2 was elemental wars the game
Im not mad about multiple actions as setup because Void bulb + water pitcher is a great combo as setup for Lighting /Freezing Spells
This is great advice for those unaware. The storm cleric is pretty awesome. I've respecced Shadowheart in every run. The items with the reverberation effects (ring, cloak, and boots maybe?) from thunder damage makes it even sweeter
Yeah it's really nice as an alternative to a Sorcerer or Wizard lighting build. Although Clerics are so useful in other ways as well. Shadowhearts default is pretty bad though.
What are reverberate items and what do they do for lightning damage ?
If you have targets that are numerous or dangerous or grouped up enough, it's WORTH just spending your resources to kill them in one turn. Even on Tactician most bosses shouldn't survive long enough for Wet to wear off.
Poor Gale ate a lot of damage for us to learn this. Haha
There’s a green magic item (forgot if it was gloves or jewellery early Act II, I belive) that causes you to create a fairly large ring of ice around the target of a frost spell. I combo it with ray of frost from Ice Staff from Act I - basically anyone can use it. That’s potential big fog cloud after a fire follow up, not to mention the fact that ice is slippery and often makes enemies fall.
It's a ring. Used it a bunch through the early game in conjunction with the ice staff aswell.
wow, great tip. never thought about using offhand to break water bottles!
For anyone wanting to make attacks at the environment or ground, just hold control, then left click.
I was wondering about this, good content and this answered loads of questions!
Do any of thses make them Wet tips work on my GF? asking for a friend
Lol
Your friend wants to know how to make your GF wet? You guys are really close.
Thanks for the tips. Now i know how to make shadowheart wet..
How do you fill empty bottles with water? I've been selling them because I have no imagination, lol.
Wont the big elemental pets do an aoe that gets them wet?
Well, that took you 6 minutes to get to, in a 8 minute video... thought you would have a more original idea than this.
Here is how i doo it... Havent seen anybody else soo far... My Barbarian is 8 Barb and 3 Rogue/Thief for the bonus action i made him with more initiative than my sorcs and in the start of the combat i use Rage and throw bottle/barrels around. :D
I've been wondering what the purpose of hand crossbows were. Dual-wielding and attacking with only the offhand as a bonus action is ingenious.
My TAV is a thief/battlemaster. Because of hand crossbows and bonus actions I've been making 3 attacks/round since level 3, 4/rd since level 8 (without haste of course). Combine with battlemaster maneuvers and sharpshooter and she deals some serious damage.
Every time this guy says "wet" God kills a kitten.. Think about the kittens man.
Just use Barbarian bonus action to wet enemies if you want to be efficient :D
Please explain how that is any more efficient than using the bonus action on any other character using a crossbow?
@@Firespark81 Because barbarians have the strength to carry 2 water barrels and douse a VERY large area....Seen people use barrels effectively already. They have a great deal of fun even on Tactician mode with unusual tactics.
Much respect from our channel to yours, always!
Maybe a familiar can help out too
So basically a gunslinging wizard. That’s really crafty, but I don’t think I will.
Due to bg3's (and actual dnd) emphasis on action economy. You do want to squeeze every bit of damage and remove as many enemies from the battle asap so shutting the enemies before they can act is crucial. I agree that throwing a bottle in battle isn't the most optimal action if you are sweaty enough to bother putting it out first and have a mage hand throw it.
But we'd rather have a martial with multihits throw a bottle to a crowd as long as the doubled lightning removes most of the threats BEFORE THEY ACT in round one than wait for a doubled lighting in round two. Don't we?
Place a water container -> crossbow offhand it -> profit
@TekilaEnvenenada Just be a mind flayer 4head, use actions and bonus actions interchangeably
@TekilaEnvenenada Just fireball the water
This seems like a bit too on the min-max side of things imho and quite misleading as well.
First of all you need black hole for you idea to work, every shot you have of doing max dmg is after having yoinked all the enemies together so a single water bottle can hit them, so for anyone not doing illithids, specifically rejecting the evolved illithids, this is not a thing they can do.
Secondly create water is not only like double the range at base, but scales, so you can have a companion use a tier 3 create water and basically cover almost all arenas you will find yourself in, this cant happen for bottles.
Third is water barrels, you'll need a strong ally to carry it but its way bigger area than a bottle.
Fourth issue is that hand crossbows are not available really until end of act 1 - start of act 2. I dont think ive even seen a hand crossbow in act 1 so far, let alone 2 to get the bonus action attack.
Just use create water. More reliable, only cost 1 spell and has the highest efficiency.
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Dammon in the Grove can sell a Hand Crossbow +1, check his inventory frequently (it refreshes after every Long Rest and level up) and you can get a pair of them pretty easily. Or even four pairs of them if you really need to deck out your entire squad.
You can have a horde of barrels collected if you place them in the chest of the mundane you find in the wizard toward in the underdark. It's basically sort of a bag of holding, sort of. but itll make anything you put into it something much lighter (usually)
@@BalianBlue_ Good to know, I didn't even think about picking it up.
Thank you for this informative video!
I can't use water wrong if i never used it.
Is it wrong? Perhaps not. Are you missing out on vulnerability damage on a whole lot of enemies? Yes. Is this very useful on higher difficulties? Absolutely. Are you playing on higher difficulties? Probably not.
@@danjal87nl Did both balanced and tactician with 1-char, it's doable without water.
I’ll be trying a viscious combo soon. A big area create water with the cleric, and then a nice and chill Cone of Cold with Gale. It used resources, but it’s a really big AoE of double damage
Or just...use a Haste spell.
You can still do that though. Just have someone else cast Haste on you and do 2 lightning spells 👀
I think Conjuration Wizards get a free limitless Create Water. I might do a 1 Conjuration Wizard/11 Dragon Sorcerer. Dragon Sorcs are awesome. At level 11 they get Flight as a normal movement ability. Such a quality of life boon right there.
Wizards gain their subclass at level 2, so you'd need at least 2 levels in Wizard, but it seems great otherwise!
once per short rest
Slowly turning BG3 into Genshin Impact.
IMO the reason create water is only 1/short rest, and the reason tossing water bottles is a full action is bec the devs knew how powerful it would be. Min/maxers find ways around this and expoit things... which is both clever, smart and "legal." However, under the SPIRIT of the game, it breaks things. I myself am getting tired of the min/maxing and want to play a game that feels "right" to me. Ymmv.
You can shove the water bottle from on top stack crates using bonus action, a bit tedious but doable
"You have much to learn, grasshopper."
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Losing it at the opening disclaimer. Poor Gale! 😂
Test subjects were needed. He was willing. 🤣
Excellent guide to romance in Baldur's Gate 3!
My brain hurts…😿
gale, a poor guy :(
I won a reverse rain cloak at the circus, it makes the wearer always slightly damp XD
lmao! Really?! That is amazing! I got a stupid ticket that is expired.
Just drop a bottle at your feet and cost mage hand then start the fight🤦
Not sure that is easier than just dropping it during the fight and shooting it. Although it does save you a bonus action. So that would have been good to add to the video. Oh well can't know it all.
@@Firespark81 It's more efficient action econ. Most of the more efficient options do involve outsourcing those actions to out of combat prep however.
Like a great way is to initiate combat (ideally surprise enemies) and then have a sneaky character still out of the combat wander out of sight to place down bottles of water or alchemist's fire etc. Or indeed use a mage hand put down ahead of time in combat to save those actions.
But, if I use the Steam Cloud this way - won’t that destroy my save files? 😁