Be careful with throwing enemies down chasms. Sure, it makes fights a lot easier, but you also miss out on their loot and sometimes they have good/important stuff.
@3:13 "It's damage isn't great, currently at level 6 it deals 2d8" Just to be clear, spells don't change their damage automatically as you level up. When you were level 1 it was also dealing 2d8. BUT! You can "upcast" the spell using a higher level spell slot. Currently at level 5 and 6 you have 3rd level spell slots (and this will increase at every odd level in your caster class, so at level 7 it'll go up). You could choose to spend that higher spell slot on thunderwave to give it an extra 1d8 damage per spell slot level, reaching 4d8 currently and 5d8 next level. There's a selection at the bottom of your screen for this every time you cast a spell which is below your max level spell slots (ie, casting a 3rd level spell now won't give the option since there's no option but 3rd level spell slots), but by default if you ignore that selection it will use the lowest slot necessary (Not usually worth it unless you're actually catching a ton of people in it maybe since 3rd level spells also require that same slot and keeping it open for their utility can be good). At the start of the game when you're character only has access to first level spells thunderwave actually has really good damage for an aoe spell. And for a first level spell slot in general it continues to have good damage for the remainder of the game, especially if you're primarily using it for throwing dudes off cliffs. If you're not near a cliff though, thunderwave is also useful for pushing melees out of range of your casters so that your caster can run without being attacked. Similar to disengage, but getting more distance and some extra damage in (unless they make their save :p)
It depends on the spell. Cantrips do automatically add a damage die at certain levels. So at level 1 it does 1d8, at level 5 it does 2d8, at level 10 3d8, etc. Leveled spells might do 1d8 cast at level 1, but 2d8 when cast using a level 2 slot (called upcasting), adding damage die per slot level it is upcast. Warlocks are a different beast, their spell slots are level 1 when they are level 1 and bump up periodically as they level. So they might only have 2 or 3 spell slots, but they are level 3 slots when they're level 5. Something like that.
Sanctuary also can be cast on NPCs. Helped me save the little Tiefling kid from the Sirens chasing him down. Threw Sanctuary on him, and suddenly they couldn’t harm him at all :)
Thunderwave on Gale is amazing. Because he's an Evoker, his Evocation spells will ignore allies, so you can relieve pressure on a mobbed ally by running (or Misty Stepping) up to them and knocking all the enemies away without harming allies. Bonus points if there's a Cloud of Daggers, Moonbeam, or Wall of Fire behind the enemies for them to get knocked into.
The downside of shoving enemies off the cliffs or off buildings or in the water etc. either by shove or spell is that you don't get to loot them. So be careful which ones you do this too. You might miss out on a magic item or something expensive.
It's a fair trade off, which is why I have no problem with throwing enemies down chasms instantly ending fights being a feature; sure, you can indeed kill the boss first turn this way, but then you miss out on his shiny loot. So be selective on whom you throw into chasms :)
Cone of Cold. Upscaled Hold Monster/Person. Haste (+Twinned spell). Glyph of Warding. Dimension Door/Misty Step. Sanctuary / Resilient Sphere. Eyebite. Also you can throw potions. Including healing potions.
@@garyco766 open your inventory and right click on the potion. You should see a throw option. Can't do it from the quick bar unfort, which is annoying.
If you use a potion of haste by going turn based, placing the pot in the middle of your tightly grouped party & melee attacking it you haste everyone in the clump. This works on any potion for now.
I mean it says additional "action (only one weapon attack only " i think technically there some Eldritch Knight foolery in there that give you a cantrip attack replacing a weapon attack so you could still technically make more than one haste attack depending on interpretation.
Hold persons downside is that it is a Wis Save and Concentration. If the enemy has high Wis or can hit you, it’s a wasted spell. I take a mix of Hold Person, Blindness, and Sleep. Because they all cover different problems, with similar solutions. Especially sleep since it doesn’t miss and can cover multiple targets.
I'm sorry, but Thunderwave is NOT a niche spell. Yes, it only deals 2d8 thunder with a 1st level slot, but the damage scales by 1d8 for every higher level slot. I know its not on par (damage wise) with some other spells, but that's where the AOE aspect and the shove aspect of the spell come into play. AOE "increases" the damage by allowing it to hit multiple targets... potentially pushing this spell above single-target damaging spells. The shove after save effect is super nice! Not only can it throw targets off a cliff, as noted in the video, it can also just move them out of melee with your caster. This will allow the caster to run away or re-position without provoking Opportunity Attacks. Thunderwave is even better than FireSpark81 is giving it credit for.
Slow is one of my favorite spells. Uses a level 3 spell slot and targets six enemies. It slows their movement, makes them able to take only one action, prevents reactions, and makes them easier to hit (and lasts 10 turns)
@@JB-xl2jc Because back when Haste was invented in DnD, warrior had 3 attack max per round. Now every class are busted and op by themselves. Its that, that is rieiculous. Not haste. Needing concenteatuon makes wizard weak. And 1 trick ponies. Its really lame. And op classes that do everything so excessively is also ridiculous Ppl who manage balancing at DnD really dont do a good job
@@ProppaT Its incredible the thing you can do with a Mordekainen floating disk...most mages lack imagination and intuition. A mage is not a dps dealer. He is a shaper of tought into reality.
A level 4 fighter with 7 levels of monk can do all of that only with flury of blows have evasion, heavy armor with shield and do more damage per hit than any weapon possible with tavern brawler.
@@MrBellyarwith tavern brawler they’re only getting 10 damage with 20 strength right? Or am I misunderstanding how that fesr works? Because if so 2d6 +5 + weapon bonuses+ potentially GWM for another 10 would comfortably win in the damage department for a two handed fighter
@@jacksonmcmillen3209 You get normal damage of fist + double str damage. Then you get gloves damage (1d4 early game). Then you get 3-6 (1d4+wis mod) damage from manifestations (mind, soul, body). Then you can add things like electric charges from dash but it will only matter if you flurry since its 1 damage per hit. But it's actually a fair point. You can add gloves of justicar for more 1d4 necrotic damage to weapon. My point is that you deal all that unarmed damage With shield ac bonuses. Dasing around battlefield with evasion, with insane ac with insane damage from action (warrior trip, ripost) and bonus action flurry (2 hit). You get bonus action from warrior and the best from monk. And this build is great throughout the game with just the junk you find on simple mobs.
@@jacksonmcmillen3209It’s also a boost for toHit, it’s not just damage. Unlike GWM which is a -5 to hit, which makes you miss more for extra damage. Tavern brawler is more damage AND +toHit
greese and ice are great for this. Reminds of TTRPG play where I alway carrry a bag of metal balls, because pouring a bag out on a floor and watching powerful people slip is just so funny to me
Cloud of daggers is a great field control option. I put it In choke points 300 style and enemies will run through it some times killing them self. There is one side quest in act 3 where you have to kill a lot of rats. Instead of wasting time with multiple aeo or taking each one out. This spell in the door way made fast work.
I don't prepare haste as a spell. I use a speed potion. Haste spell is concentration for 10 rounds where the caster can't cast another concentration spell or be interrupted without causing the target to lose their turn due to the lethargy effect. Speed potion is not concentration, does not limit your caster's ability to cast, and lasts a predictable 3 rounds before the target becomes lethargic. Haste spell targets one person. Speed potion can be thrown to affect multiple people very close together with a single potion. Haste spell uses a prepared spell slot and a level spell slot to cast. Speed potion can be crafted with alchemy as long as you have components. Haste spell uses an action. Speed potion uses a bonus action to apply to self, or an action to throw and apply to multiple targets. Haste can only be cast by wizards or sorcerers, or builds that have access to that spell list. Speed potions can be given to anyone to be used. Invisibility is a good spell to ensure a rogue gets sneak attack. They often go first in initiative, and can't delay their turn in BG3, so can sometimes lose the opportunity to sneak attack in the first round. An invisible rogue can sneak attack, or an invisible party member or familiar (imp or quasit can turn invisible at will) can act outside of combat initiative and position themselves to grant advantage on any target. Good for pickpocketing too, but it does seem to break the effect after the first item. I just buy their stuff and then steal the stack of gold back. I also have a preference for aid spell. It doesn't grant temporary hit points. It increases maximum HP by 5, is not concentration, and lasts all day, and affects the entire party, pets too. Every level it is upcast adds another 5HP. Temporary HP spells and effects can be stacked on top of this.
Haste? Underappreciated? What? It's already broken in 5e; so of course it's a staple for everyone in BG3 as well. It's basically in every "class-guide" out there.
Went through playing this game co-op with my husband, where I was a sorcerer and he was a warlock. My first move was almost always to do twinned spell on haste and apply it to myself and him. Being able to cast two spells per turn (sometimes three with quicken spell) was amazing. I know d&d doesn’t let people do 2 leveled spells in one turn, so I found this ability pretty surprising.
Two more great spells that will never let you down: Heat Metal - either the enemy drops the weapon or he has disadvantage on all attacks, they just can't win no matter what. Another one is Cloud of Daggers. A small AoE spell with NO saving throw? It deals damage immediately and at the start of creature's turn, so its basically 8d4 magical slashing damage dealt automatically with no save or attack roll. And if you keep the enemy in the spell area, it automatically reapplies each round.
Thunderwave is great when you get buffed melee charging at you...but man I really hate having to push stuff off a ledge. The loot hoarder in me just knows there was legendary loot in that dude that just sailed away.
And this is why bard is one of the best classes in BG3! 4 out of 5 of those spells can be used by bards. Sanctuary being the exception* (You can still get it with Magic Initiate: Cleric, along with the amazing Guidance, in case you ditched Shadowheart and don't want to use the amulet that gives it. ) - And sorcs can cast haste on TWO allies, say you keep Lae'zel and Karlach in your group... now double their attacks and moviment speed.
I almost never use thunderwave. Yes, I know it can be incredibly powerful if you knock enemies off cliffs, but I want to loot their dead bodies, so I just smash their faces in instead.
What's really gonna get ya is when you use a sorcerer to metamagic twin haste and can buff 2 martial characters (those that can take more than one attacks per action) for one concentration, then you cast sanctuary that sorcerer
I thunder waved four enemies, that had sanctuary on them, off into a chasm at one time, and it might be the most satisfying turn of my 123 hour playthrough.
I feel like Longstrider is likely under appreciated. It's a ritual, not concentration, lasts until a long rest and you can hit your whole party with it for basically a permanent move speed increase.
Personally, one of the spells I like is call lighting. Lvl 3 spell deal decent damages, that cost one spell slot to be cast the entire fight, twice by turn with haste. It's not overpowered or anything but it's great for keeping your spellslots if you don't want to longrest after every fight.
So important to note: Sanctuary is that as soon as you attack Sanctuary breaks, so you would have to recast it every turn unless you only want to heal only. Healing only is a waste of time in combat. That said there are situations where it's definitely useful and amazing, like protecting an ally with low health or repositioning. But you can also accomplish retreating simply using Disengage, and that doe not use a spell slot. Command it's amazing when it works, but again it's a spell slot per turn and if they save it's a wasted action. It great in a fight with few enemies as the effect can be great and pretty much let you have a free turn if you succeed but against many, i would rather kill them faster, than maybe do something. Haste gives you an extra action, so if you can attack twice using your action (extra attack class feat) then you can make 4 attacks in a turn, 5 if you can attack using bonus action. But you dont get an extra bonus action so monks do not get an extra flurry of blows, same with frenzied barbarians. As a side note Thief get's an extra bonus action so a Hasted Monk/Thief get's to punch 8 times every round as long as they have the Ki.
You can put spider web and generally anything on the ground that doesnt attack enemies directly + electrocuting/setting ground on fire without breaking sanctuary, so if your sorc is mostly utility (which it should be early on) sanctuary is totally nuts as there's nothing for AI to do against this abuse.
Extra tip with haste. If playing a sorcerer, you'll get access to metamagic & one of the options is twinning a spell. Meaning you can cast a spell that normally only targets 1 creature to now target two creatures. Twin haste on two allies & away you go.
TLDR: Spellcasters are nukes thanks to haste allowing 2 spells in one round. There are a multitude of busted low level builds and combo's you can do that go far beyond what you've covered. Mainly because Larian didn't cover certain things shall we say, like being able to cast more than one spell in a round even with a haste potion. This means effectively a well built draconic sorcerer at level 6 can hit for 18d6 + 6x Cha mod on a single target in one round or 12d6's at level 4. You can effectively melt the face off of anything.
Haste + Monk + Wholeness of Body. If you have haste on an item: 1st turn: Cast haste on self(Action), cast Wholeness of Body(Action), Drink Haste Potion. This turn you have a single action and bonus action left to make 3 (or 4) attacks. 2nd Turn: 2 attacks x 3 actions + Flurry of blows, 2 attacks x 2 bonus actions. You just did 10 attacks. Make the first a stunning strike and you have advantage on 9 of them, or make the flurry of blows a prone attack to get (only) 8 attacks with advantage. Enjoy ^^
Glyph of Warding... who knew that all you needed to do to make that spell good was remove it's 1 hour casting time, 200 gold per casting, and make it ranged? Not that I'm throwing shade, Swen Vincke can eat chips in my bed if he wants to.
Not sure if Haste, Glyph of Warding or Thunderwave really count as "under-appreciated" since they commonly appear in people's lists of the 20 best spells in all of D&D. If we're talking for people who have come to BG3 without knowing about D&D then yes they are certainly worth bringing more attention to. In that case I'd also list Hypnotic Pattern, which is probably the best spell in the first 5 levels of D&D, which I keep having to tell people is completely nuts Oh and Glyph of Warding is sometimes referred to as the "Cleric's Fireball"... so Clerics have it as well :)
From anyone who plays D&D, most of these are not underappreciated at all. That said, glyph of warding... In 5e: Glyph of warding takes 200gp per cast, requires touch, and has a *1 hour* casting time. So, by removing everything that balances it to make it fun for this medium, it becomes a broken spell. So good on ya for showcasing that!
Thanks for the video! The spells in the game need so much more description than they have, because if you dont pick it and check what it does, you have no idea what it does and you have to load a save and check again... this is so bad.
Combo these up a bit - have your sorcerer twin-haste your martials, then your cleric put the sorcerer in Sanctuary. Your front liners will cut through enemies like a cuisinart.
My new favorite way to fight as a Wizard is Create Water and Ice Spells (Cold Damage), as ice is my favorite element. However, I didn't realize that Water is so OP until later in Act 3, so I've up until that point just used Fire Ball and sometimes used it with Grease. I decimated Sarevok with Cold+Water once I used the Potion of Speed!
Haste is beyond broken, since the extract action allows spellcasting. Sleep and Colour Spray are broken, you no longer roll dice, you just pick a fixed number, thus guaranteeing debuff. Command was always strong and always will be. Not broken, but super reliable. Sanctuary is strong, but it lacks a Help action, so that the one with it can give advantage to others while he isn't doing anything without casting harmful spells. Any damaging spell from the cleric spell list are strong af. All of them are worth picking, specially Spiritual Guardians.
lvl 11 fighters can attack 3 times at lvl 11. Give them polearm master and they can use the bonus action for a weaker attack too. + Haste + Action surge. We have a total of 10 attacks on the first turn. Combine those attacks with battle master subclass for added damage and effects on those attacks and you probably may confuse the fighter for an assassin of bosses. All this is on a short rest.
If you pair Haste with a champion Fighter who chugged an elixir of bloodlust and they can kill the target, you can have an insane amount of actions, as Elixir of Bloodlust gives you an extra action and temporary hp after you kill someone.
If you're trying to stealthily pick off an enemy or two before the main fight starts, a handy cantrip to have on hand is minor illusion. I've used it to great effect with Astarion on several occasions.
improved minor Illusion with wizard subclass, is even better, ive had the entire goblin camp chasing and trying to kill the cat illusion, works well on dumber enemy
Two spells not mentioned: Expeditious Retreat and Enhance Leap. One gives you bonus action dash, lasts all day, even though it's concentration. The other *triples* your jump distance for ten turns, and is the poor-man's "Fly" spell. If you don't have the classes, or the brain-slugs to do these things easily, you can still do these things easily, for a lvl1 slot. Triple jump also opens up quite a lot of any map or combat. Not super OP, but action economy and movement is king.
@@GrumblingGrognard I agree, throwing a potion is way too strong. They should have made it something like "If you throw a potion, the targets only get half the effect" Cause you dont drink the whole potion, you merely breathe in some of the fumes & vapor or get sprinkled with some of the potion on your skin. So thrown healing potions that normally do 2d4 + 6 would be 1d4 + 3 And buff potions for example give Haste for 10 turns, would only give it for 5 turns.
@@_Lunaria lol why?!? Since when are "potions" something that takes effect 'on contact', without limit? With that logic someone could buy a single potion then dip their pinky finger in it every once-in-awhile and it would last nearly forever. It is simply a stupid mechanic that someone raised on Mario Bros fing Nintendo 64s thought was "cool".
@@GrumblingGrognard I know !! And thats why i would want to NERF the potion throwing in BG3. Cause at the moment it doesnt matter if you drink or throw a potion, both ways heal the exact same amount, but throwing might hit more allies, thus throwing (So splashing the liquid on the targets) is BETTER than drinking the potion, like it was supposed to. And it makes no sense. So if they insist on keeping the "throwing a potion still somehow works" They should ATLEAST cut the potion effectiveness in half, right ?
You can cast Thunderwave, all spells really, at higher levels. This will increase damage in most instances. As an example, Magic Missile begins with 3 missiles. Cast as a 2nd Lvl spell it has 4. It has 5 for 3rd lvl spell, and 6 for 4th, etc. We don't have 9th lvl spells but it's actually 11 missiles as a 9th lvl spell at the table. Certain spells like Shield have no increased affect at higher levels. That being said people are probably going to use Thunderwave to push and not for damage so there's no reason to use higher spell slots.
you can get 7 missiles is you go to the underdark and buy the amulet that gives you an extra missile on top of granting you a free use of the spell at lvl one.
Sanctuary is good for getting party members back up on their feet, but I get the most mileage out of it when I have a Concentration spell running that I don't want to risk losing. Usually Greater Invis or Haste.
Haste is better than it's supposed to be... the extra action is not supposed to be able to be used for spellcasting or Extra Attack. Well, at least not in the tabletop rpg. So, alot more powerful than its supposed to be. As is Quickened Spell, and basically every other spell than can be used as a Bonus Action. Not that I complain though, and it may be due to coding limitations...
It was done deliberately. This game has many extra attacks so the DPS for a caster and a melee fighter are tied to be able to multiattack. The thief subclass for example makes any rogue able to dual wield attack+bonus attack and an extra attack if nothing else is needed. Basically the game is made for you to feel powerful with any class if you powergame and get good combos of either Items or Spells and Potions. Edit: Mainly talking about caster classes being able to spend more than 1 spellslot per turn. Dunno if the whole attack and extra attack was an oversight from the devs or conscious decision.
Blindness, hold person and hypnotic pattern are all nice crowd control spells. Btw if you combine glyph of warding cold or lightning with vreate water, it deals double damage.
Command: Drop on the Commander Tiefling on the Nautiloid will get you his Everburn Greatsword super easily, just need to prepare the Command spell with Shadowheart before the Helm fight. Lae'zel having that from the start is fantastic.
You should play paladin sometime. Technically, they are the hardest hitting characters in the game. At level 2 they get divine smite, they can expend a spell slot when they hit with a weapon attack to add 1d8 + an additional d8 per spell slot level in radiant damage to the attack, and you can choose to do this after you crit to double it. It is why a lot of casters dip into it. At 6 they add they CHA mod to all saves for themselves and an ally within 9ish feet. Vengeance paladins can just choose an enemy and decide they has advantage on all attacks agains that enemy for 10 rounds once a day. Ancients paladins are loaded with powerful support features. They are fun, I like to multi-class them around.
Thanks for this. I'm a total n00b in DnD, and the sheer amount of information I'd need to minmax my party members properly is insane. I've never even tried Sanctuary, because I didn't notice it's a bonus action.
So every single party should have 1 sorcerer duel casting haste on themselves and their highest dps after that(unless they are after enemy turn order). Haste is so good that by casting it with a sorc you get 2 extra party members. Its game breaking full stop.
Fighters after level 11 do have 3 attacks. With Haste + Action surge they can attack 9 times in a single turn :D There are also some attacks, that use a bonus action, bringing the total to 10 attacks in a single turn - we're talking about potentially 200+ damage, if you have Great Weapon Master.
More, with someone on hold, you can do 50+ dmg on one strike in the end with GWM. You have also battlemaster superiority dices. I have got final red dragon to 40 hp without haste, just 6 with action surge. Yeah, crazy and scary thing is 11th lvl fighter XD
It took my first playthrough to realize just how OP Sanctuary can be...when i didnt have an aoe attack in my group, i'd be stuck just skipping until that enemy screwed up or reload a save.
Haste is a must-have on sorcerer; you can twincast it and buff two characters at once (just be extremely cautious with your concentration, you can lose two turns instead of one if someone breaks it. Warcaster or something else that gives advantage on concentration saves helps a lot.)
Yeah thats why you should infact, NOT take haste on a sorcerer. I mean why waste a Spell Slot + Sorcery Point + Concentration. When you can just group up the party, throw one Potion of Speed in the middle of them, and have all 4 people have Haste, with no Concentration needed
BG3 has an alarming amount of cheese, I killed a certain lizard (ahem) by throwing a backpack full of grenades and explosives, effectivey 1 -shotting it...
put haste on barbarian + put sanctuary on self so i dont loose concentration during the fight = 10 rounds of a barbarian with 7 swings per turn. each swing doing ~30 dmg. so 30 x 7 x 10 = 2100 potential dmg at the cost of my paladin sitting the fight out. very much worth it. you can pretty much wipe any room in 2 turns
You can only concentrate on 1 spell at a time, so you lose haste immediately after you sanctuary yourself. And if you make two clerics for buffing, then who does the damage? The 1 barbarian you hasted? Use warcaster feat instead, and make your cleric tanky in the first place. Plus barbarians usually lack wisdom cause I see you calculated all into dmg, 1 control spell and your dps is out of the fight. Just wanted to point things out.
@@Waitwhat469 In every one of these games I reach the ending with enough potions to open a potion shop of my own. I'm making a point of emptying my inventory on this play through. :D
"Under Appreciated Spells" Puts Haste on the list... Haste has pretty much ALWAYS been one of the most overpowered spells in D&D. What's next, Fireball?
It's not unreasonable. Haste is actually kinda meh in 5e since it doesn't allow you a full free action, but a more limited selection of actions - can't use it to cast spells, and you only get one extra attack. Some people have realized that this, combined with lethargy, is actually kinda meh, so bringing it up in BG3 as an underrated spell makes sense since it's limitations are totally undone with getting a whole free action, which I wasn't aware of at first as a 5e player
@@Isaax I kinda see what your saying but nah saying its "meh" is silly. it boosts AC and allows for martial classes to do just insane amounts of damage while staying tanky and being more mobile. that one extra attack is a big deal on the tabletop when the difference between killing your enemy on your turn and wounding them turns an encounter from a loss to almost trivial. not to mention it gives advantage on dex saves, aka one of the most important saves next to char and wis saves.
@@joedatius Also it often gives more than just one attack. That double movement affects action economy in a way that isn't immediately obvious, it stops your fighter from having to dash.
Glyff of warding can be found on the most OP and most slept on class of 5e, the Cleric. If you multiclass a Paladin fighter, you can smite 4 times, with haste 6 times. There isnt much that will live through that.
I really wish I'd thought of sanctuary as concentration protection a couple hours ago. Twinned Haste round 1 on my 2 big damage dealers, and an enemy spellcaster walked through the doors and smoked me with 4 Scorching Rays. Nearly took out all my hp, let alone my concentration. By the time one of my frontliners was able to make her first attack, she'd failed a save against Hold Person, had eaten 6 crits and was swarmed. I knew there was no preventing her from going down before her next turn. The rest of us backed out of range as I ordered Wyll to target her with Circle of Death. My cleric's prayers were answered as 8 of the 9 enemies failed their saving throws while we rolled nearly max damage. From there the tide turned and I was able to keep anybody from dying that day
As a fighter/sorcerer: Action: Cast Fireball Action Surge: Cast Fireball Hasted Action: Cast Fireball Bonus Action: Cast Quickened Fireball May not be an efficient use of resources, but WHEEE!
@@tonytran1675 sorcerers have a special feature called sorcery points which allow them to spend those to use metamagic feature and one of those metamagic options you can choose is quicken spell which allows you to cast a spell as a bonus action.
Create Water. Super useful spell. Extinguish fires, extinguish allies, but also, clean up crime scenes. ;) I killed a certain warden, took her body, and washed away the blood. Nobody knows she's dead. Also, create surfaces. Nail your enemies with a water balloon, then you're all set to either electrify or freeze a whole area under their feet. Acid surfaces getting your party down? Wash 'em away with water!
I basically broke combat just by having a guaranteed cast of haste on all my martials (my paladin, Lae'Zel and Karlach). I got it on the paladin and on Lae'Zel from magic items and I usually had Gale to cast it on Karlach. I burst down so many bosses before they could do anything, it's not even funny. Fighters get 3 attacks per action at lvl 11 so they're almost always the best candidates for haste but paladins are great too since they can do more divine smites per turn, which also means more chances to crit on a smite for massive damage. Btw, Haste in this game is much stronger than the version in the 5e DnD tabletop. In the tabletop, the extra action can only be used to on a single weapon attack or to Dash, Disengage or Hide. Much more limited and almost useless for spellcasters. And it's still considered one of the strongest buffs for martial classes. It's downright broken how strong it is in BG3, especially cause you can also get it from items and cast it on yourself from scrolls even if you can't otherwise cast spells (also not possible in the tabletop). At lvl 11, a fighter with haste + action surge can do NINE attacks on their turn. Not many bosses can take nice greatsword hits and live, especially if you add damage using battle maneuvers and/or poison.
my favorite under appreciated spell is longstrider. gale casts it on everyone in the morning and then stays in camp while everyone else gets +3m of movement all day.
lvl 4 feat ritual caster you can use longstrider and enhanced leap for free. Ritual spells do not cost spell slots; can cast it on the whole party. Other ritual spells are speak with animals, speak with dead, find familiar, and disguise self. But you can only choose 2 to learn.
Title: Five Underappreciated Spells in BG3 Content: Names 4 of the most popular, widely used and most powerful utility spells in 5e in general and bg3 specifically... and glyph of warding.
@@mechminded2207 They have a saving throw. When you fail on Command, you've done nothing with your turn. It's a good spell in this game when it works, no doubt. But everything always finds a way to save against my spells.
To be fair, many of these are kind of OP... Haste is, because it's 2x stronger than it should be in the table top. ALlowing for 6 or more attacks per turn.. that's pretty OP in terms of how things are balanced and tuned. Furthermore, Sanctuary can be hilariously busted... 4 cleric party, all casting sanctuary with their AOE damage spell.. don't even need to fight... if that's not OP idk what is. Sanctuary breaks on attack, not damage. Unless they changed it. Meaning you can just have all 4 clerics standing in the middle of enemies almost immune to any attacks, and just doing aoe damage every turn, literally passive auto win.
Paladin gets extra attacks heals n damage bursts. They are insane. Sorcerers can twin spell haste to put it on two characters. They can also quicken spells to cast any spell as a bonus action
Pretty much the entire Cleric spellbook as far as i'm concerned. I'm glad they made one of the more interesting companion one as otherwise i would had slept on it hard as its not an archetype i particularily enjoy flavor-wise in other settings.
Honorable mentions: Wild Shape Spider/ Ranger Companion: While these arent technically spells, you can cast (and spam) concentration free webs that do not expire upon placing another. Let the webslingers pounce! Enhanced Jump, Longstrider: mainly on enhanced Jump but, you can cast these outside of combat for free, without the ritual caster feat. Additionally if you are a sorcerer, you can use extend spell on these without costing a sorce point. (Though they could have patched this) Jump becomes flight very quickly. Counterspell/Shield and Misty Step: Counterspell is and should be used more than the others really, however Shield too adds to the survivability of your casters tengold if you run into a problem of enemies focusing them. Misty Step can be used as a bonus action to quickly maneuver around the battlefield or avoid harm and increase survivability too.
Thunder wave becomes godlike in act 3, remember that. I have a djinni i like to summon and there's nothing better than getting a free thunderwave and yeeting 3-4 enemies off a building into the abyss (off the ramparts, a chasm, or the city streets)
man, these spells are what i exploit regularly, sanctuary does fall off later in the game and you can just easily craft potion of speed in alchemy, same effect as haste, you get to save your spell slot and drinking a potion is a bonus action so it's actually better... expeditious retreat is pretty good
The 'Thunder Sanctuary' is one of my favorite combos. One character casts Sanctuary on another so they can get to just the right spot to use Thunderwave for maximum effect. Also, a Ranger with 2-Weapon Fighting with Haste is a beast. They get two attacks per turn at a minimum (more at higher levels) and each hit adds the Hunter's Mark damage.
I do like Command, but I think you're overselling its effectiveness. It tends to have very low success rate against lots of tough enemies that you actually want to use it on, such as the Gith, Anders, Kagha, Minthara, Gortash, Ketheric, etc. I would much rather use a battle master's maneuvers in conjunction with the fighter's attack for a similar effect, compared to expending spell slot + action to use command. Throughout the video most of the enemies that you showcase using Command on only have 20-30% success rate, and those are not even bosses. Unless you save scum, it is quite unreliable.
Command works better against the mobs with a boss. 1 command can stop 4 or 5 mobs for a couple of turns leaving the rest of the party free to focus on the boss or the hardest enemy
Great video. I honestly never even considered Sanctuary and Glyph of Warding before. In my first playthrough I pretty much ignored those spells altogether.
0:10 Sanctuary
2:05 Thunderwave
3:52 Command
6:47 Glyph of Warding
9:16 Haste
Thanks 🙏
Bless! 👏
1. Sanctuary
2. Thunder Wave
3. Command
4. Glyph of Warding
5. Haste
How are these under appreciated lol
@@therealkoga2519 he didnt appreciate them at first and now does
Be careful with throwing enemies down chasms. Sure, it makes fights a lot easier, but you also miss out on their loot and sometimes they have good/important stuff.
Agreed, fun to do once but make sure it is a peon
Be nice if you could use telekinesis or mage hand to loot the corpse or bring the corpse back up…
I just wish someone would cast hold person on me 💀
I'm a druid sorry but I'll give you a real soft and tight bear hug.
Roll for Persuasion.
If you like thunderwave, try Gust. Its a level 2 spell, but the enemy doesn't make a saving throw - they just get knocked back.
Does gust still push large enemies and such?
@3:13 "It's damage isn't great, currently at level 6 it deals 2d8"
Just to be clear, spells don't change their damage automatically as you level up. When you were level 1 it was also dealing 2d8.
BUT! You can "upcast" the spell using a higher level spell slot. Currently at level 5 and 6 you have 3rd level spell slots (and this will increase at every odd level in your caster class, so at level 7 it'll go up). You could choose to spend that higher spell slot on thunderwave to give it an extra 1d8 damage per spell slot level, reaching 4d8 currently and 5d8 next level.
There's a selection at the bottom of your screen for this every time you cast a spell which is below your max level spell slots (ie, casting a 3rd level spell now won't give the option since there's no option but 3rd level spell slots), but by default if you ignore that selection it will use the lowest slot necessary (Not usually worth it unless you're actually catching a ton of people in it maybe since 3rd level spells also require that same slot and keeping it open for their utility can be good).
At the start of the game when you're character only has access to first level spells thunderwave actually has really good damage for an aoe spell. And for a first level spell slot in general it continues to have good damage for the remainder of the game, especially if you're primarily using it for throwing dudes off cliffs.
If you're not near a cliff though, thunderwave is also useful for pushing melees out of range of your casters so that your caster can run without being attacked. Similar to disengage, but getting more distance and some extra damage in (unless they make their save :p)
It depends on the spell. Cantrips do automatically add a damage die at certain levels. So at level 1 it does 1d8, at level 5 it does 2d8, at level 10 3d8, etc. Leveled spells might do 1d8 cast at level 1, but 2d8 when cast using a level 2 slot (called upcasting), adding damage die per slot level it is upcast.
Warlocks are a different beast, their spell slots are level 1 when they are level 1 and bump up periodically as they level. So they might only have 2 or 3 spell slots, but they are level 3 slots when they're level 5. Something like that.
Sanctuary also can be cast on NPCs. Helped me save the little Tiefling kid from the Sirens chasing him down. Threw Sanctuary on him, and suddenly they couldn’t harm him at all :)
Haste doesn't belong on this list because it is deffffinitely not under appreciated. Everyone adores haste.
I'd say the same about sanctuary. In a game where you have constantly babysit weak NPC's, it's practically a requirement.
Thunderwave on Gale is amazing. Because he's an Evoker, his Evocation spells will ignore allies, so you can relieve pressure on a mobbed ally by running (or Misty Stepping) up to them and knocking all the enemies away without harming allies.
Bonus points if there's a Cloud of Daggers, Moonbeam, or Wall of Fire behind the enemies for them to get knocked into.
The downside of shoving enemies off the cliffs or off buildings or in the water etc. either by shove or spell is that you don't get to loot them. So be careful which ones you do this too. You might miss out on a magic item or something expensive.
my thoughts exactly
Accidentally Eldritch blasted minthara into a chasm my first playthrough, felt so stupid.
It's a fair trade off, which is why I have no problem with throwing enemies down chasms instantly ending fights being a feature; sure, you can indeed kill the boss first turn this way, but then you miss out on his shiny loot. So be selective on whom you throw into chasms :)
@@seoghdha4389just for info. Under the passives section you can deactivate and activate the push of eldritch blast whenever you like....
@@seoghdha4389same lmao
Cone of Cold.
Upscaled Hold Monster/Person.
Haste (+Twinned spell).
Glyph of Warding.
Dimension Door/Misty Step.
Sanctuary / Resilient Sphere.
Eyebite.
Also you can throw potions. Including healing potions.
You can throw the hast potions too, plus if you aim potion throwing right it hits multiple targets
@@Waitwhat469 I've heard this, but couldn't figure out how to do it. How do you throw a potion?
@@garyco766 open your inventory and right click on the potion. You should see a throw option.
Can't do it from the quick bar unfort, which is annoying.
If you use a potion of haste by going turn based, placing the pot in the middle of your tightly grouped party & melee attacking it you haste everyone in the clump. This works on any potion for now.
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Haste in 5e specifically says you only get one extra attack.. I guess Larian was like "Eh, that's no fun". I love them so much.
Haste has been nerfed many times over. The BG3 version is more like the 3e haste
I mean it says additional "action (only one weapon attack only " i think technically there some Eldritch Knight foolery in there that give you a cantrip attack replacing a weapon attack so you could still technically make more than one haste attack depending on interpretation.
On honor mode it's much closer to the table top version.
One caveat of thunderwave. If you push enemies off some cliffs, you won't be able to get their loot.
Or in my case, they make the save 95% of the time.
feel like hold creature needs to be here, nothing better than paralyzing a target who then gets automatically critically hit from anyone who hits it.
You might mean hold person. As hold creature is a level 5 spell that you won’t get till near the end of the game.
But that isn’t secretly op that’s obviously great.
@@SH1NK1R01 that one too
@@SH1NK1R01They're both pretty sick
Hold persons downside is that it is a Wis Save and Concentration. If the enemy has high Wis or can hit you, it’s a wasted spell. I take a mix of Hold Person, Blindness, and Sleep. Because they all cover different problems, with similar solutions. Especially sleep since it doesn’t miss and can cover multiple targets.
Spike Growth is an early game monster of a spell. Entire fights can be won by covering a chokehold between you and ennemies with spikes.
I'm sorry, but Thunderwave is NOT a niche spell. Yes, it only deals 2d8 thunder with a 1st level slot, but the damage scales by 1d8 for every higher level slot. I know its not on par (damage wise) with some other spells, but that's where the AOE aspect and the shove aspect of the spell come into play. AOE "increases" the damage by allowing it to hit multiple targets... potentially pushing this spell above single-target damaging spells. The shove after save effect is super nice! Not only can it throw targets off a cliff, as noted in the video, it can also just move them out of melee with your caster. This will allow the caster to run away or re-position without provoking Opportunity Attacks.
Thunderwave is even better than FireSpark81 is giving it credit for.
Slow is one of my favorite spells. Uses a level 3 spell slot and targets six enemies. It slows their movement, makes them able to take only one action, prevents reactions, and makes them easier to hit (and lasts 10 turns)
Since when has "Haste" ever been "underappreciated" in any iteration of D&D?
Since aalmoat all spells need concentration in 5e. So stupid
@@celuiquipeut6527If Haste didn't need concentration in 5e it would be one of the most hilariously busted things in the game
@@JB-xl2jc Because back when Haste was invented in DnD, warrior had 3 attack max per round.
Now every class are busted and op by themselves. Its that, that is rieiculous. Not haste. Needing concenteatuon makes wizard weak. And 1 trick ponies.
Its really lame.
And op classes that do everything so excessively is also ridiculous
Ppl who manage balancing at DnD really dont do a good job
People who haven’t been indoctrinated into D&D are still learning that magic is more about utility than fireball…lol
@@ProppaT Its incredible the thing you can do with a Mordekainen floating disk...most mages lack imagination and intuition.
A mage is not a dps dealer.
He is a shaper of tought into reality.
Sanctuary:
“Are you on your third reload trying to save Isobel but her AI just wante to die? Cast Sanctuary on her”
@@Outarelwell if you can get to lvl 7 then just stick her in a Resilient Sphere. Invulnerable hamster ball ftw.
A level 11 fighter with haste can attack 6 times per turn, action surge and attack 3 more times.
A level 4 fighter with 7 levels of monk can do all of that only with flury of blows have evasion, heavy armor with shield and do more damage per hit than any weapon possible with tavern brawler.
@@MrBellyarwith tavern brawler they’re only getting 10 damage with 20 strength right? Or am I misunderstanding how that fesr works? Because if so 2d6 +5 + weapon bonuses+ potentially GWM for another 10 would comfortably win in the damage department for a two handed fighter
Feat*
@@jacksonmcmillen3209 You get normal damage of fist + double str damage. Then you get gloves damage (1d4 early game). Then you get 3-6 (1d4+wis mod) damage from manifestations (mind, soul, body). Then you can add things like electric charges from dash but it will only matter if you flurry since its 1 damage per hit.
But it's actually a fair point. You can add gloves of justicar for more 1d4 necrotic damage to weapon.
My point is that you deal all that unarmed damage With shield ac bonuses. Dasing around battlefield with evasion, with insane ac with insane damage from action (warrior trip, ripost) and bonus action flurry (2 hit).
You get bonus action from warrior and the best from monk. And this build is great throughout the game with just the junk you find on simple mobs.
@@jacksonmcmillen3209It’s also a boost for toHit, it’s not just damage. Unlike GWM which is a -5 to hit, which makes you miss more for extra damage. Tavern brawler is more damage AND +toHit
It's really underappreciated how much a pool of ice can absolutely render a massive group of enemies into a clown fiesta.
greese and ice are great for this. Reminds of TTRPG play where I alway carrry a bag of metal balls, because pouring a bag out on a floor and watching powerful people slip is just so funny to me
No thunderwave! Want loot!
Command: Drop + Thunderwave
Cloud of daggers is a great field control option. I put it In choke points 300 style and enemies will run through it some times killing them self. There is one side quest in act 3 where you have to kill a lot of rats. Instead of wasting time with multiple aeo or taking each one out. This spell in the door way made fast work.
i just jumped around as slayer to kill them. worked fine.
got the reward, then took the guy's hand who gave it to me.
I don't prepare haste as a spell. I use a speed potion.
Haste spell is concentration for 10 rounds where the caster can't cast another concentration spell or be interrupted without causing the target to lose their turn due to the lethargy effect.
Speed potion is not concentration, does not limit your caster's ability to cast, and lasts a predictable 3 rounds before the target becomes lethargic.
Haste spell targets one person. Speed potion can be thrown to affect multiple people very close together with a single potion.
Haste spell uses a prepared spell slot and a level spell slot to cast. Speed potion can be crafted with alchemy as long as you have components.
Haste spell uses an action. Speed potion uses a bonus action to apply to self, or an action to throw and apply to multiple targets.
Haste can only be cast by wizards or sorcerers, or builds that have access to that spell list. Speed potions can be given to anyone to be used.
Invisibility is a good spell to ensure a rogue gets sneak attack. They often go first in initiative, and can't delay their turn in BG3, so can sometimes lose the opportunity to sneak attack in the first round. An invisible rogue can sneak attack, or an invisible party member or familiar (imp or quasit can turn invisible at will) can act outside of combat initiative and position themselves to grant advantage on any target. Good for pickpocketing too, but it does seem to break the effect after the first item. I just buy their stuff and then steal the stack of gold back.
I also have a preference for aid spell. It doesn't grant temporary hit points. It increases maximum HP by 5, is not concentration, and lasts all day, and affects the entire party, pets too. Every level it is upcast adds another 5HP. Temporary HP spells and effects can be stacked on top of this.
Haste? Underappreciated? What? It's already broken in 5e; so of course it's a staple for everyone in BG3 as well. It's basically in every "class-guide" out there.
i hate that there are no bookmarks on this video
Went through playing this game co-op with my husband, where I was a sorcerer and he was a warlock. My first move was almost always to do twinned spell on haste and apply it to myself and him. Being able to cast two spells per turn (sometimes three with quicken spell) was amazing. I know d&d doesn’t let people do 2 leveled spells in one turn, so I found this ability pretty surprising.
Two more great spells that will never let you down: Heat Metal - either the enemy drops the weapon or he has disadvantage on all attacks, they just can't win no matter what. Another one is Cloud of Daggers. A small AoE spell with NO saving throw? It deals damage immediately and at the start of creature's turn, so its basically 8d4 magical slashing damage dealt automatically with no save or attack roll. And if you keep the enemy in the spell area, it automatically reapplies each round.
Some little fire critters ruined my day with Heat Metal
Thunderwave is great when you get buffed melee charging at you...but man I really hate having to push stuff off a ledge. The loot hoarder in me just knows there was legendary loot in that dude that just sailed away.
And this is why bard is one of the best classes in BG3! 4 out of 5 of those spells can be used by bards. Sanctuary being the exception* (You can still get it with Magic Initiate: Cleric, along with the amazing Guidance, in case you ditched Shadowheart and don't want to use the amulet that gives it. ) - And sorcs can cast haste on TWO allies, say you keep Lae'zel and Karlach in your group... now double their attacks and moviment speed.
If you fought the drow spider you wouldn't think sanctuary was underrated
I almost never use thunderwave. Yes, I know it can be incredibly powerful if you knock enemies off cliffs, but I want to loot their dead bodies, so I just smash their faces in instead.
What's really gonna get ya is when you use a sorcerer to metamagic twin haste and can buff 2 martial characters (those that can take more than one attacks per action) for one concentration, then you cast sanctuary that sorcerer
I thunder waved four enemies, that had sanctuary on them, off into a chasm at one time, and it might be the most satisfying turn of my 123 hour playthrough.
I feel like Longstrider is likely under appreciated. It's a ritual, not concentration, lasts until a long rest and you can hit your whole party with it for basically a permanent move speed increase.
Party all able to cast Sanctuary.
The enemies turn... "Duh what do we do now?"
AoE effects that dont target stuff
SPIN TO WIN KIDS
Personally, one of the spells I like is call lighting. Lvl 3 spell deal decent damages, that cost one spell slot to be cast the entire fight, twice by turn with haste.
It's not overpowered or anything but it's great for keeping your spellslots if you don't want to longrest after every fight.
So important to note:
Sanctuary is that as soon as you attack Sanctuary breaks, so you would have to recast it every turn unless you only want to heal only. Healing only is a waste of time in combat.
That said there are situations where it's definitely useful and amazing, like protecting an ally with low health or repositioning. But you can also accomplish retreating simply using Disengage, and that doe not use a spell slot.
Command it's amazing when it works, but again it's a spell slot per turn and if they save it's a wasted action. It great in a fight with few enemies as the effect can be great and pretty much let you have a free turn if you succeed but against many, i would rather kill them faster, than maybe do something.
Haste gives you an extra action, so if you can attack twice using your action (extra attack class feat) then you can make 4 attacks in a turn, 5 if you can attack using bonus action. But you dont get an extra bonus action so monks do not get an extra flurry of blows, same with frenzied barbarians.
As a side note Thief get's an extra bonus action so a Hasted Monk/Thief get's to punch 8 times every round as long as they have the Ki.
You can put spider web and generally anything on the ground that doesnt attack enemies directly + electrocuting/setting ground on fire without breaking sanctuary, so if your sorc is mostly utility (which it should be early on) sanctuary is totally nuts as there's nothing for AI to do against this abuse.
Extra tip with haste. If playing a sorcerer, you'll get access to metamagic & one of the options is twinning a spell. Meaning you can cast a spell that normally only targets 1 creature to now target two creatures. Twin haste on two allies & away you go.
TLDR: Spellcasters are nukes thanks to haste allowing 2 spells in one round.
There are a multitude of busted low level builds and combo's you can do that go far beyond what you've covered. Mainly because Larian didn't cover certain things shall we say, like being able to cast more than one spell in a round even with a haste potion. This means effectively a well built draconic sorcerer at level 6 can hit for 18d6 + 6x Cha mod on a single target in one round or 12d6's at level 4. You can effectively melt the face off of anything.
Haste + Monk + Wholeness of Body.
If you have haste on an item:
1st turn: Cast haste on self(Action), cast Wholeness of Body(Action), Drink Haste Potion. This turn you have a single action and bonus action left to make 3 (or 4) attacks.
2nd Turn: 2 attacks x 3 actions + Flurry of blows, 2 attacks x 2 bonus actions. You just did 10 attacks. Make the first a stunning strike and you have advantage on 9 of them, or make the flurry of blows a prone attack to get (only) 8 attacks with advantage. Enjoy ^^
Glyph of Warding... who knew that all you needed to do to make that spell good was remove it's 1 hour casting time, 200 gold per casting, and make it ranged?
Not that I'm throwing shade, Swen Vincke can eat chips in my bed if he wants to.
No kidding. Lots of subpar spells are super good in BG3 while spells like fireball are nerfed for some reason.
Not sure if Haste, Glyph of Warding or Thunderwave really count as "under-appreciated" since they commonly appear in people's lists of the 20 best spells in all of D&D. If we're talking for people who have come to BG3 without knowing about D&D then yes they are certainly worth bringing more attention to. In that case I'd also list Hypnotic Pattern, which is probably the best spell in the first 5 levels of D&D, which I keep having to tell people is completely nuts
Oh and Glyph of Warding is sometimes referred to as the "Cleric's Fireball"... so Clerics have it as well :)
Nah in core 5e rule Haste is lame, its really a 2nd lvl in disguise. Not worth th 3rd lvl slot. In BG3 its way OP. Kind of like old school rules.
From anyone who plays D&D, most of these are not underappreciated at all.
That said, glyph of warding... In 5e: Glyph of warding takes 200gp per cast, requires touch, and has a *1 hour* casting time. So, by removing everything that balances it to make it fun for this medium, it becomes a broken spell.
So good on ya for showcasing that!
Command -Drop is the simpliest way to end the tutorial with a flaming greatsword whatever the difficulty level played.
Thanks for the video! The spells in the game need so much more description than they have, because if you dont pick it and check what it does, you have no idea what it does and you have to load a save and check again... this is so bad.
Combo these up a bit - have your sorcerer twin-haste your martials, then your cleric put the sorcerer in Sanctuary. Your front liners will cut through enemies like a cuisinart.
My new favorite way to fight as a Wizard is Create Water and Ice Spells (Cold Damage), as ice is my favorite element. However, I didn't realize that Water is so OP until later in Act 3, so I've up until that point just used Fire Ball and sometimes used it with Grease.
I decimated Sarevok with Cold+Water once I used the Potion of Speed!
Pushing enemies off cliff is insanely effective, but i dont like doing it, because you misses on their loot.
Command: Drop how I got the burning Greatsword without killing the commander
Yup definitely the best way to do it
Command is how I won the fight with Spider Matriarch with my underpowered 3 level party.
Pretty much how everyone does it.
Haste is beyond broken, since the extract action allows spellcasting.
Sleep and Colour Spray are broken, you no longer roll dice, you just pick a fixed number, thus guaranteeing debuff.
Command was always strong and always will be. Not broken, but super reliable.
Sanctuary is strong, but it lacks a Help action, so that the one with it can give advantage to others while he isn't doing anything without casting harmful spells.
Any damaging spell from the cleric spell list are strong af. All of them are worth picking, specially Spiritual Guardians.
lvl 11 fighters can attack 3 times at lvl 11. Give them polearm master and they can use the bonus action for a weaker attack too. + Haste + Action surge. We have a total of 10 attacks on the first turn. Combine those attacks with battle master subclass for added damage and effects on those attacks and you probably may confuse the fighter for an assassin of bosses. All this is on a short rest.
*looking at strength monk turning bosses into puddles*
Sleet Storm : break concentration, half movement and prone. Then you leap in with a character that can't trip and it's free realestate
nightwalker barbarian: laughs in frenzied strike
If you pair Haste with a champion Fighter who chugged an elixir of bloodlust and they can kill the target, you can have an insane amount of actions, as Elixir of Bloodlust gives you an extra action and temporary hp after you kill someone.
If you're trying to stealthily pick off an enemy or two before the main fight starts, a handy cantrip to have on hand is minor illusion. I've used it to great effect with Astarion on several occasions.
improved minor Illusion with wizard subclass, is even better, ive had the entire goblin camp chasing and trying to kill the cat illusion, works well on dumber enemy
Two spells not mentioned: Expeditious Retreat and Enhance Leap.
One gives you bonus action dash, lasts all day, even though it's concentration.
The other *triples* your jump distance for ten turns, and is the poor-man's "Fly" spell.
If you don't have the classes, or the brain-slugs to do these things easily, you can still do these things easily, for a lvl1 slot. Triple jump also opens up quite a lot of any map or combat.
Not super OP, but action economy and movement is king.
dude, aye. people have no idea how advantageous it is to just jump into some mofos face.
jump is like F tier i never get it or use it. Even have it for free from an equipment and its still not worth using
Moreover, Enhance Leap being a ritual, it doesn't even consume a spell slot when cast out of combat. Crazy bonus action mobility for melee combatants.
no timestamps/spell list? :(
This is outdated anyway. Sanctuary can't be used this way anymore. Still checking the rest
@@XiaolinDraconishow has it changed?
@Thomasnmi I think they made it so you can't cast sanctuary on someone two turns in a row
@@rumplebutts6442 I knew there was a delay between casting it on the same person.
Have they increased or changed this?
I hate pushing enemies off cliffs because I want to loot their body.
Pushing NPCs off of cliffs is lame, OP, metagaming and just wrong in a ROLEPLAYING game (ALMOST as bad as tossing potions).
@@GrumblingGrognard I agree, throwing a potion is way too strong. They should have made it something like "If you throw a potion, the targets only get half the effect" Cause you dont drink the whole potion, you merely breathe in some of the fumes & vapor or get sprinkled with some of the potion on your skin.
So thrown healing potions that normally do 2d4 + 6 would be 1d4 + 3 And buff potions for example give Haste for 10 turns, would only give it for 5 turns.
@@_Lunaria lol why?!? Since when are "potions" something that takes effect 'on contact', without limit? With that logic someone could buy a single potion then dip their pinky finger in it every once-in-awhile and it would last nearly forever.
It is simply a stupid mechanic that someone raised on Mario Bros fing Nintendo 64s thought was "cool".
@@_Lunaria Haste potion already only lasts 3 turns, whether its thrown or not
@@GrumblingGrognard I know !! And thats why i would want to NERF the potion throwing in BG3.
Cause at the moment it doesnt matter if you drink or throw a potion, both ways heal the exact same amount, but throwing might hit more allies, thus throwing (So splashing the liquid on the targets) is BETTER than drinking the potion, like it was supposed to.
And it makes no sense. So if they insist on keeping the "throwing a potion still somehow works" They should ATLEAST cut the potion effectiveness in half, right ?
You can cast Thunderwave, all spells really, at higher levels. This will increase damage in most instances. As an example, Magic Missile begins with 3 missiles. Cast as a 2nd Lvl spell it has 4. It has 5 for 3rd lvl spell, and 6 for 4th, etc. We don't have 9th lvl spells but it's actually 11 missiles as a 9th lvl spell at the table. Certain spells like Shield have no increased affect at higher levels. That being said people are probably going to use Thunderwave to push and not for damage so there's no reason to use higher spell slots.
I think the only time I've used Thunderwave for the damage was Tempest Cleric, but it is very good there.
you can get 7 missiles is you go to the underdark and buy the amulet that gives you an extra missile on top of granting you a free use of the spell at lvl one.
doesn't that get incredibly tedious at the table? having to roll 11 magic missiles every time you attack?!
Sanctuary is good for getting party members back up on their feet, but I get the most mileage out of it when I have a Concentration spell running that I don't want to risk losing. Usually Greater Invis or Haste.
Haste is better than it's supposed to be... the extra action is not supposed to be able to be used for spellcasting or Extra Attack. Well, at least not in the tabletop rpg. So, alot more powerful than its supposed to be.
As is Quickened Spell, and basically every other spell than can be used as a Bonus Action. Not that I complain though, and it may be due to coding limitations...
It was done deliberately. This game has many extra attacks so the DPS for a caster and a melee fighter are tied to be able to multiattack.
The thief subclass for example makes any rogue able to dual wield attack+bonus attack and an extra attack if nothing else is needed.
Basically the game is made for you to feel powerful with any class if you powergame and get good combos of either Items or Spells and Potions.
Edit: Mainly talking about caster classes being able to spend more than 1 spellslot per turn. Dunno if the whole attack and extra attack was an oversight from the devs or conscious decision.
Haste? Underappreciated? Are you joking?
Yeah, one of my most used spells.
Bg3 was probably his first time playing dnd 😭 command is also used sm
The first BG3 tips video that wasn't like "did you know you can hit the 'm' key to open the map?!"
Haste and Glyph Ward are hardly under appreciated spells. Haste in particular are considered by many the most OP spell in the game.
Command drop is also a great way to get a fire sword in the tutorial😀
Blindness, hold person and hypnotic pattern are all nice crowd control spells. Btw if you combine glyph of warding cold or lightning with vreate water, it deals double damage.
Command: Drop on the Commander Tiefling on the Nautiloid will get you his Everburn Greatsword super easily, just need to prepare the Command spell with Shadowheart before the Helm fight. Lae'zel having that from the start is fantastic.
Yep it should be balanced, it is ridiculous that a level 1 character could do that to a level 8 one.
@@MN-vz8qm Not ridiculous. Fun. Reward your players for thinking.
You should play paladin sometime. Technically, they are the hardest hitting characters in the game. At level 2 they get divine smite, they can expend a spell slot when they hit with a weapon attack to add 1d8 + an additional d8 per spell slot level in radiant damage to the attack, and you can choose to do this after you crit to double it. It is why a lot of casters dip into it. At 6 they add they CHA mod to all saves for themselves and an ally within 9ish feet. Vengeance paladins can just choose an enemy and decide they has advantage on all attacks agains that enemy for 10 rounds once a day. Ancients paladins are loaded with powerful support features. They are fun, I like to multi-class them around.
Thanks for this. I'm a total n00b in DnD, and the sheer amount of information I'd need to minmax my party members properly is insane. I've never even tried Sanctuary, because I didn't notice it's a bonus action.
So every single party should have 1 sorcerer duel casting haste on themselves and their highest dps after that(unless they are after enemy turn order). Haste is so good that by casting it with a sorc you get 2 extra party members. Its game breaking full stop.
Fighters after level 11 do have 3 attacks. With Haste + Action surge they can attack 9 times in a single turn :D There are also some attacks, that use a bonus action, bringing the total to 10 attacks in a single turn - we're talking about potentially 200+ damage, if you have Great Weapon Master.
More, with someone on hold, you can do 50+ dmg on one strike in the end with GWM. You have also battlemaster superiority dices. I have got final red dragon to 40 hp without haste, just 6 with action surge. Yeah, crazy and scary thing is 11th lvl fighter XD
It took my first playthrough to realize just how OP Sanctuary can be...when i didnt have an aoe attack in my group, i'd be stuck just skipping until that enemy screwed up or reload a save.
Haste is a must-have on sorcerer; you can twincast it and buff two characters at once (just be extremely cautious with your concentration, you can lose two turns instead of one if someone breaks it. Warcaster or something else that gives advantage on concentration saves helps a lot.)
Yeah thats why you should infact, NOT take haste on a sorcerer. I mean why waste a Spell Slot + Sorcery Point + Concentration. When you can just group up the party, throw one Potion of Speed in the middle of them, and have all 4 people have Haste, with no Concentration needed
BG3 has an alarming amount of cheese, I killed a certain lizard (ahem) by throwing a backpack full of grenades and explosives, effectivey 1 -shotting it...
Welcome to dnd. These types of things happen all the tine and are generally encouraged at the table
That’s a great idea! Made your own C4 bundle! Why is that cheesy? I think it’s a very creative solution.
Turn Undead also evaporates hordes of fiends and zombies in a single cast. It was very helpful for Act 2
Woo might actually take shadow heart into a fight then usually I just use her for healing then put her right back in her tent
I go for classic fireball and blizzard combo. Evaporates everithing not only zombies....
@blackyraypatrick9041 yeah fire balls a classic blizzards new to me though this is my first 5e video game
@@goreobsessed2308 blizzard or whatever it is called is a tier 4 ice aoe spell.
@@BlackyRay_Patrick Sleet Storm?
put haste on barbarian + put sanctuary on self so i dont loose concentration during the fight = 10 rounds of a barbarian with 7 swings per turn.
each swing doing ~30 dmg. so 30 x 7 x 10 = 2100 potential dmg at the cost of my paladin sitting the fight out. very much worth it. you can pretty much wipe any room in 2 turns
You can only concentrate on 1 spell at a time, so you lose haste immediately after you sanctuary yourself. And if you make two clerics for buffing, then who does the damage? The 1 barbarian you hasted? Use warcaster feat instead, and make your cleric tanky in the first place. Plus barbarians usually lack wisdom cause I see you calculated all into dmg, 1 control spell and your dps is out of the fight. Just wanted to point things out.
@@KnoKellovinsanctuary is not a concentration spell......
@@KnoKellovin i read your comment and looked into the things you brought up. thanks for the heads up. i learned a lot.
Feather fall, jump and misty step have been some my most used spells ngl
I got the feat to cast talkt to animals as a ritual and chose jump as just a filler. Game changer.
@@Waitwhat469 tbh I always have like 5+ talk with animal potions, never missed a encounter since I volleyed a squirrel of a treat by mistake.... 😅
@@Bilbobaggins82242 honestly more optimal, I just hate using items out of fear of running out
@@Waitwhat469 In every one of these games I reach the ending with enough potions to open a potion shop of my own. I'm making a point of emptying my inventory on this play through. :D
Misty step is so useful but I never have to use it.
Command is game breaking in act 1, allowing one to obtain a legendary weapon far earlier than intended
"Under Appreciated Spells"
Puts Haste on the list...
Haste has pretty much ALWAYS been one of the most overpowered spells in D&D.
What's next, Fireball?
It's not unreasonable. Haste is actually kinda meh in 5e since it doesn't allow you a full free action, but a more limited selection of actions - can't use it to cast spells, and you only get one extra attack. Some people have realized that this, combined with lethargy, is actually kinda meh, so bringing it up in BG3 as an underrated spell makes sense since it's limitations are totally undone with getting a whole free action, which I wasn't aware of at first as a 5e player
@@Isaax I kinda see what your saying but nah saying its "meh" is silly. it boosts AC and allows for martial classes to do just insane amounts of damage while staying tanky and being more mobile. that one extra attack is a big deal on the tabletop when the difference between killing your enemy on your turn and wounding them turns an encounter from a loss to almost trivial. not to mention it gives advantage on dex saves, aka one of the most important saves next to char and wis saves.
@@joedatius Also it often gives more than just one attack. That double movement affects action economy in a way that isn't immediately obvious, it stops your fighter from having to dash.
@@joedatius It's fun and games until your caster's concentration is broken and said fighter is left lethargic, skipping an entire turn because of it
Glyff of warding can be found on the most OP and most slept on class of 5e, the Cleric.
If you multiclass a Paladin fighter, you can smite 4 times, with haste 6 times. There isnt much that will live through that.
I really wish I'd thought of sanctuary as concentration protection a couple hours ago. Twinned Haste round 1 on my 2 big damage dealers, and an enemy spellcaster walked through the doors and smoked me with 4 Scorching Rays. Nearly took out all my hp, let alone my concentration. By the time one of my frontliners was able to make her first attack, she'd failed a save against Hold Person, had eaten 6 crits and was swarmed. I knew there was no preventing her from going down before her next turn. The rest of us backed out of range as I ordered Wyll to target her with Circle of Death.
My cleric's prayers were answered as 8 of the 9 enemies failed their saving throws while we rolled nearly max damage. From there the tide turned and I was able to keep anybody from dying that day
As a fighter/sorcerer:
Action: Cast Fireball
Action Surge: Cast Fireball
Hasted Action: Cast Fireball
Bonus Action: Cast Quickened Fireball
May not be an efficient use of resources, but WHEEE!
And then you need a long rest because you're out of spell slots
i understood everything besides the last part! how do u get Bonus Action: Cast Quickened Fireball
@@tonytran1675 sorcerers have a special feature called sorcery points which allow them to spend those to use metamagic feature and one of those metamagic options you can choose is quicken spell which allows you to cast a spell as a bonus action.
Create Water. Super useful spell. Extinguish fires, extinguish allies, but also, clean up crime scenes. ;) I killed a certain warden, took her body, and washed away the blood. Nobody knows she's dead. Also, create surfaces. Nail your enemies with a water balloon, then you're all set to either electrify or freeze a whole area under their feet. Acid surfaces getting your party down? Wash 'em away with water!
I basically broke combat just by having a guaranteed cast of haste on all my martials (my paladin, Lae'Zel and Karlach). I got it on the paladin and on Lae'Zel from magic items and I usually had Gale to cast it on Karlach. I burst down so many bosses before they could do anything, it's not even funny. Fighters get 3 attacks per action at lvl 11 so they're almost always the best candidates for haste but paladins are great too since they can do more divine smites per turn, which also means more chances to crit on a smite for massive damage.
Btw, Haste in this game is much stronger than the version in the 5e DnD tabletop. In the tabletop, the extra action can only be used to on a single weapon attack or to Dash, Disengage or Hide. Much more limited and almost useless for spellcasters. And it's still considered one of the strongest buffs for martial classes. It's downright broken how strong it is in BG3, especially cause you can also get it from items and cast it on yourself from scrolls even if you can't otherwise cast spells (also not possible in the tabletop). At lvl 11, a fighter with haste + action surge can do NINE attacks on their turn. Not many bosses can take nice greatsword hits and live, especially if you add damage using battle maneuvers and/or poison.
Don't forget action surge with fighter.... Freaking 9 ...... 9 attacks. lae'zel at lvl12 with mostly legendary items nearly one actions ANYTHING
@@IncendiaryPanda Yep, that's what I wrote. :)
It amazing to see when a person who doesn’t play DND discover things for DND! We need more videos like this!
my favorite under appreciated spell is longstrider. gale casts it on everyone in the morning and then stays in camp while everyone else gets +3m of movement all day.
lvl 4 feat ritual caster you can use longstrider and enhanced leap for free. Ritual spells do not cost spell slots; can cast it on the whole party. Other ritual spells are speak with animals, speak with dead, find familiar, and disguise self. But you can only choose 2 to learn.
I do that with a hireling, but same concept!
Title: Five Underappreciated Spells in BG3
Content: Names 4 of the most popular, widely used and most powerful utility spells in 5e in general and bg3 specifically... and glyph of warding.
The phrase OP has officially now been overused.
Yup, often used for Exactly Powered - i.e. those powering the thing, gave it precisely the power it needed for what they intended.
@@mechminded2207 They have a saving throw. When you fail on Command, you've done nothing with your turn. It's a good spell in this game when it works, no doubt. But everything always finds a way to save against my spells.
Whenever I see someone say 'OP,' I just read it as 'OK' at this point.
To be fair, many of these are kind of OP... Haste is, because it's 2x stronger than it should be in the table top. ALlowing for 6 or more attacks per turn.. that's pretty OP in terms of how things are balanced and tuned.
Furthermore, Sanctuary can be hilariously busted... 4 cleric party, all casting sanctuary with their AOE damage spell.. don't even need to fight... if that's not OP idk what is. Sanctuary breaks on attack, not damage. Unless they changed it. Meaning you can just have all 4 clerics standing in the middle of enemies almost immune to any attacks, and just doing aoe damage every turn, literally passive auto win.
Paladin gets extra attacks heals n damage bursts. They are insane. Sorcerers can twin spell haste to put it on two characters. They can also quicken spells to cast any spell as a bonus action
Pretty much the entire Cleric spellbook as far as i'm concerned.
I'm glad they made one of the more interesting companion one as otherwise i would had slept on it hard as its not an archetype i particularily enjoy flavor-wise in other settings.
Honorable mentions:
Wild Shape Spider/ Ranger Companion: While these arent technically spells, you can cast (and spam) concentration free webs that do not expire upon placing another. Let the webslingers pounce!
Enhanced Jump, Longstrider: mainly on enhanced Jump but, you can cast these outside of combat for free, without the ritual caster feat. Additionally if you are a sorcerer, you can use extend spell on these without costing a sorce point. (Though they could have patched this) Jump becomes flight very quickly.
Counterspell/Shield and Misty Step: Counterspell is and should be used more than the others really, however Shield too adds to the survivability of your casters tengold if you run into a problem of enemies focusing them. Misty Step can be used as a bonus action to quickly maneuver around the battlefield or avoid harm and increase survivability too.
Sanctuary & Moonbeam is a gamebreaking combo. Blast away at enemies and never be targeted (: I have a few vids showing how insanely OP that is...
Thunder wave becomes godlike in act 3, remember that. I have a djinni i like to summon and there's nothing better than getting a free thunderwave and yeeting 3-4 enemies off a building into the abyss (off the ramparts, a chasm, or the city streets)
Haste on a Tempest Cleric is just insane. Cast an AOE spell then run around with Spirit Guardians - wipes the screen clean of enemies.
Thunderwave has saved me in a few situations that didn't involve cliffs, it's a good one.
man, these spells are what i exploit regularly, sanctuary does fall off later in the game and you can just easily craft potion of speed in alchemy, same effect as haste, you get to save your spell slot and drinking a potion is a bonus action so it's actually better... expeditious retreat is pretty good
Except with the potion, you only have 3 rounds of combat before you have to deal with the lethargy debuff.
The 'Thunder Sanctuary' is one of my favorite combos. One character casts Sanctuary on another so they can get to just the right spot to use Thunderwave for maximum effect.
Also, a Ranger with 2-Weapon Fighting with Haste is a beast. They get two attacks per turn at a minimum (more at higher levels) and each hit adds the Hunter's Mark damage.
I do like Command, but I think you're overselling its effectiveness. It tends to have very low success rate against lots of tough enemies that you actually want to use it on, such as the Gith, Anders, Kagha, Minthara, Gortash, Ketheric, etc. I would much rather use a battle master's maneuvers in conjunction with the fighter's attack for a similar effect, compared to expending spell slot + action to use command.
Throughout the video most of the enemies that you showcase using Command on only have 20-30% success rate, and those are not even bosses. Unless you save scum, it is quite unreliable.
Command works better against the mobs with a boss. 1 command can stop 4 or 5 mobs for a couple of turns leaving the rest of the party free to focus on the boss or the hardest enemy
Great video.
I honestly never even considered Sanctuary and Glyph of Warding before.
In my first playthrough I pretty much ignored those spells altogether.