I personally see both side of Gemini running most of the time when I am at the park. Sometimes it goes down to one side but usually it’s only for a couple of hours. It does not open on certain days during halloweekends. It’s a people eater so it needs replaced with a people eater. I could see corkscrew being removed first to make way for the outdoor stage being moved over there by the skyride and a new vertical launch coaster or a copperhead strike type of coaster (one that goes over the maintenance shops, the new stage area, and the midway by TopThrill2) in that plot of land!
Corkscrew, as bad and rough a ride as it is, is too iconic to remove. It's been a central part of CP's promotional shots for decades. Gemini is a classic. It might make more sense to keep it, than to raze it. I think Iron Dragon makes the most sense to replace, first.
I love Gemini and it would be very sad to see it go, now Rougarou on the other hand I don’t think anyone would really care if they got rid of it only thing is there’s not a lot of space
Cp ride op that has worked in gemini here. Gemini is not going to be scrapped unless something major happens to the ride. It’s extremely reliable for the age it has, cheap to maintain and operate, has brutal capacity and it’s on the tamer side out of all the coasters cp has, and there’s not that many of them that fulfill this category. Also, the “It only operates one side the majority of time” is not true at all. During the first hour of opening and last hours of operation the ride will close one side due to lack of riders, and at the beginning and end of the season it will run only with one train frequently due to this lack of ridership, so they can send half of the crew home cause the rides operates like two completely independent rides. Think about it, it runs with two trains on each track, 30 people per train, with a minimum REAL dispatch interval of around 80 seconds (could be less but that’s the perfect interval to get trains coming into the station at a regular pace). Doing some simple math here this ride has a 2700 people per hour real capacity which is absolutely bonkers (Maverick for example, another ride i worked at, would make at most 70 dispatches per hour for a real capacity of 840 people per hour). This means Gemini only running one side duplicates the capacity of maverick when it’s not dispatching trains as regularly, which makes you understand why they tend to close one side (hell, they could keep it closed all day and the line wouldn’t get much longer, but the racing is the main reason both sides are open). One side of this coaster, if needed, can be operated with only 4 RIDE OPERATORS (One at the entrance and for fast lane, two for checking seats and one in controls, that’s it). This makes it one of the cheapest rides in the park to operate. It almost never has a extended period of downtime, the racing aspect is something completely unique in the park, and it’s an arrow coaster, some of the most reliable coaster manufacturers in the market along with B&M. Its a people eater, a great first big scale ride for kids to experience, has a relatively low requirement, and a really fun gimmick that is the racing on top of how cheap it is for cp to maintain it. I don’t have insights of cp, but when you work the ride and get to know how it runs, you end up knowing Gemini will not leave unless a major fire destroys its structure or some catastrophic event like that.
I think that a Mack extreme spinner, Gerstlauer (maybe one with a launch that will come close to matching Dragster's), or an RMC raptor would work wonders for this park. But I just can't get over imagining a Gravity Group woodie in this plot of land. I've ridden Leviathan at Sea World Australia, and it is really a cure for our coaster envy down under! It has just the right amount of roughness, amazing pacing, and lots of airtime! Cedar Point could even market an upcharge backwards row like what the Australian parks are doing, and they could once again take the title of best coaster in the park from Steel Vengeance. But I gotta think...your idea and layout of the RMC Trex is something else, and would be THE BEST coaster if built without OTSRs.
I do agree with you that Cedar Point may not want to preserve Iron Dragon. I can see it’s spare parts being used for Vortex at CW as well as The Bat at Kings Island. The only question is what could replace Iron Dragon? Its plot of land is very tight between Rougarou and Top Thrill 2. Personally I could see something like Big Bear Mountain go where Iron Dragon currently is.
iron dragon will probably be gone in the next 5 years, being the oldest still operating of its kind. something like big bear mountain would fit very well, but its also a great opportunity to finally add the missing piece to the roller coaster capital of the world , a true flying coaster , either by b&m or vekoma , following iron dragons lay out would be awsome , if CP is ever going to add a flying coaster this would be the best spot and opportunity for them to do so
When I went to cedar point I didn’t have much time and my family didn’t want to do this one because they thought it was rough, so I thought I’d do it the next time I’ll go but that will probably be years, hopefully it sticks around!
You know what's funny about Gemini? It's that despite the fact that seems everyone on the internet seems to hate the ride, it still gets a ton of riders after nearly 50 years. I'm a fan of Gemini and I hope I go before it does. If CP has to remove a coaster, let be Iron Dragon or Rougarou.
Imo a Zambezi Zinger sized GCI or a Gravity Group family wooden coaster would be the most realistic replacement for Gemini. I really can't imagine them wanting to replace a family coaster with a thrill coaster, especially with how old most of their family coaster lineup is
I would miss Gemini. It was about the only racer that was designed well enough to genuinely race. I remember people touching hands between both trains when I was there.
They don’t really need to remove anything to add a good GCI other than the sky coaster they have that would be the perfect plot for it. Where shoot the Rapids and the frontier island attraction used to be.
I think they need to do a location swap. The GCI woodie would be best, imo, in Cedar Creek Mine Ride's location, maybe with some parts over on Millennium Island.
Ride every time I go down. Taught my kids all of the things that everyone use to do on it. Paddle coming out of the station, pull the trains up the hill, and high-5 people on the curves Correct me if I'm wrong, but they used to do 3-train ops on each side.
I think all the older Coasters mentioned here need to make it to their 50th then get retired. If gemini is replaced it needs to be a dualing coaster. I really like the idea of the European park doing the Extreme and Family dualing Raptors. That would be a great concept. They cant get rid of the racing/ dualing concept. Corkscrew can go. Be replaced with a new intense looper by Mack, Vekoma, or Zamperla. Id like Iron dragon to stick around, if not, a great custom family invert or Flying coaster would be perfect to stick with dragon theme. Blue Streak needs to be retracked just like Racer. I REALLY like the idea of dropping kiddie kingdom. I think a new Cyclone wooden coaster would be perfect for the Boardwalk. Anything can replace CC Mine Ride. A modern family coaster like Big Bear would be perfect going over water onto Millenium Island. That is a surprisingly HUGE plot of land!
Gemini is not going anywhere Brandon. I can promise you that. There are no plans in the next 10 years to even blink an eye at replacing it. It’s here to stay, it’s a landmark, still delivers a thrill and racing dueling coasters are scarce and rare.
Every time I went to cedar point as a kid and young adult, I would ride Gemini over and over. 25 years since my last time, I can still remember the sounds, feels and smell of it.
What is it with thoosies hating gemini so much? Gemini is better than half the rides at CP and is a great family coaster and an absolute capacity monster. Also, Gemini runs both sides nearly every time I’ve been there. And yeah it goes down occasionally but like it’s usually back up after a little while. Like not everything needs to be a 25 million dollar 5 star thrill ride smdh. I am the biggest Gemini supporter and will die on the Gemini’s hill for it to stay
Also, if CP is going to put in a Camp Snoopy expansion, they're going to build it on the island. Just add a ramp bridge that provides clearance for the SRE boats, and they can reuse the infrastructure from Dinos Alive / Forbidden Frontier. That said, when it's time to replace Gemini, CP should add something unique to the back of the park that's also a decent people-eater. It'd be extremely hard to top a modern Vekoma flyer here - *F.L.Y.* is designed to cycle 1400 riders / hour.
You mention staffing, maybe Six Flags will teach Cedar Fair how to run coasters with 2-3 crew lol. That's what they were doing at St. Louis last year, the board operator was checking restraints and the op on the other side of the train was responsible for height checks, a third on the platform to dispatch from the rear, and that's it. Oh, there was a fourth on Batman as a greeter to remind you to go pay for a locker.
4D coaster! I don’t care where it goes, I just think one of those would be perfect at Cedar Point! I’m talking one like Eejanaika not a free spin, bring em back S&S! They’d probably come back in some new form, but I don’t think those kind of coasters are dead, I think if any park is willing to build a new one of them, it’ll be Cedar Point.
I like your ideas. Gemini is a fun coaster when both sides run, but between ride ops and one side always getting stuck it rarely does. Its plane boring when only one side runs. You start noticing how slow the turns really are. I love the idea of your T rex, also love to see a Mack spinner or GCI woodie, although that woodie should be what replaces Mine ride. I think the four you listed are totally coming up on their end of life run. This begs the question, is Magnum safe? I think it is since its the coaster that really started it all, that being said, I do feel they need to start planning a refurb.
Woah now, hang on a second there, Brandon. Gemini DOES run both sides all the time. It's just when they open the ride at noon, it only opens the one side until the line requires it. There was only a couple days when I seen it only running red.
Brandon, could you do a video series where maybe you break down each chain and give each park in the chain a coaster type they actually need. You could probably keep Six Flag and Cedar Fair Seperate for this video. Personally, i think what Cedar Point needs in either a new Gen wooden Coaster or North America Inversion record breaker machine. I just don't see a 500-foot coaster until maybe 2030 plus. And include which ride manufacturer you think could work. S&S might get a better version of Steel Curtain. King's Island and/or Carowinds, possibly a 5 Axis Coaster from S&S or an entreme Spinner from Mack Rides? Neither park as a wing Coaster and King's Island has 2 around them, Thunder Bird at Holiday World and Gatekeeper at the Point.
I think cedar point can go for the inversion record in the kiddy kingdom plot and put in an infinity coaster. Then I think with that new plot of land by perimeter road, they might be able to fit in a modern GCI twister layout or an extreme spinner. For gemeni I also think an extreme spinner could go there if they decide to put the wooden coaster on the other plot. Another thing they could do with Gemini is have GCI “re track” it and keep the original layout (somewhat) and add some new fun elements while keeping it somewhat of a family coaster.
The biggest upside Gemini has is it is a capacity monster and a transfer between the small rides and some of the taller ones so idont think they would get rid of it anytime soon
Here is some additional info about Gemini's closing on certain days during Halloweekends. It is closed on Thursdays during Halloweekends. Part of the reason for this is crowd levels on Thursdays are very low. Most rides are a walk on. Gemini is usually very busy when it is open. I have seen 1 hour waits when both sides are running (four train operations) and then walk a few minutes to Magnum XL-200 to see that Magnum has a 10 minute wait with two trains running. I do not think Gemini is going anywhere.
I don't think Gemini is anywhere near CP's top priority for removal. It's still useful as a people-eater on the busiest summer days, and it helps ease younger riders into the park's big thrills. (It definitely does that much better than Cedar Creek Mine Ride, which should absolutely be removed before 2030!). That said, to pave the way for CCMR closing, CP should add a launched Vekoma or B&M family coaster. I'd expect that to go into the former dorm plot by the *marina* and use jet-ski-themed trains. There just isn't that much space on the Kiddie Kingdom site - if CP were to remove most of those rides, a *Wild Moose* might be the best fit there. I also expect Corkscrew to close before Gemini does to help manage TT2's crowds. If Vekoma can build a *beyond-vertical tilt* coaster there (maintaining the iconic double corkscrew), it'd meet or even exceed TT2's hype with the GP.
For an older arrow...it actually is fine...its a classic and isnt rough. Keeping a racer is important. ..at kings Island the wooden racer they have was so fun to see my brother in the other train as we sped along! Good memories
If something is going to replace Gemini I want something that’s not going to be too intense but not too tame, kinda like Gemini and it’s intensity, I would maybe like something like Gci Titan track with infinity flyer trains, just not sure if it would fit the land. Thanks for looking over all your comments, even though you have a lot.
If they do replace Gemini it will definitely be a major coaster. Also dont forget that snippet of land towards SteVe they have to use. I also dont see Kiddie Kingdom going away, I see planet snoopy going first and they would probably replace it in a new area to spread the kids areas out, either on Millennium island or the bare space between the railroad and Valraven one they reroute perimeter road.
A few years ago GCI presented their new dueling model with inversions at IAAPA. Initially everyone was talking about that one but no one has said anything about it for a while. I don't know if this is yet another situation of a project that was derailed due to the pandemic. But the model looked solid. I thought at the time that this would be the ideal replacement for Gemini and I still do. The park really ought to have another woodie and something big, fast, modern and twisted and having the added capacity of a dueling coaster would be perfect for Cedar Point. I know some people are skeptical that it'll look like it's the same thing as Gemini and fail to draw attention. But just look at the model that was presented and you'll realize it would turn heads.
Something like Big Bear mountain would be a perfect replacement for Cedar Creek Mine Ride, I could see it having solid theming too. A true woodie is the obvious replacement for Gemini if they ever go that route, but I kind of have a hard time seeing them removing it, its too historical and classic. I actually could see them renovating it in some way.
I just want to let you all know that I'm so old that I remember when Gemini was a big deal and people were waiting in line for hours to ride it. I am so old that the only coaster at Cedar Point that's older than me is Blue Streak. I'm so old that I remember the double ferris wheel and Jumbo Jet. I'm so old that I remember the string wrist bands they used to give out . lol
@dingdog22, I'm right there with you!! I STILL to this day, have a string wrist band from 1973. The Year I 1st rode Jumbo Jet, and became a Rollercoaster Enthusiasts, LONG BEFORE ACE was even a Glimmer.🤣🤣🤣 Jumbo Jet was Definitely my favorite Rollercoaster of that time. Wish it would have made a comeback to Cedar Point instead of the Piece of Cheese that's on the New Boardwalk.
@@ellexking9136 I'm not too crazy about Wild Mouse either. the spinning is too intense. just about everything on that stupid boardwalk is some vomit inducing spin machine. those of us of a certain age need to pace ourselves. lol
I think they'll update the operating system for the ride, something like gatekeepers booth over the top and reconfigure it to run with less workers, and then use that big ole plot between gemini and steve (moving the facility their of course) and build something big there.
Would it be cool to See GCI build a Dueling Wood/Titan Coaster for Gemini? One could be more Tame and more Family Focused and the other side could be a GCI Hybrid that more of a RMC while chasing the tame coaster? 2 Different ride experience on one Coaster thrill level.
No way they’re getting rid of iron dragon, it’s such an iconic ride at cedar point. Every time I go, I either see a normal sized line or a humongous line.
I'd prefer Corkscrew or Cedar Creek Mine Ride get removed before Gemini. I'd be happy with any new coasters they're replaced with, as long as they're over 100ft tall.
I actually proposed a Gemini renovation to the park once when I got a reply from a survey some years ago that involved adding things like colored lights, smoke and strobes. Basically, give it a nice retrack, but also amp up the special effects. Imagine your train running behind the whole way only to hit the smoke just before the helix and then when you hit the brakes, you emerge and see your color flash indicating you won!
So there was a day I went to cedar point and the lines for all the rides were really short. Only long lines were steel vengeance and maverick. even milli was a 5 minute wait btw. so for Gemini there was no one in the line. NO ONE. So I went on with my brother and asked if we could race the trains, and they let us. It's still one of my favorite rollercoaster experiences I had
I still have a ton of fun on Gemini, especially when it is racing. You mentioned you don't see a racing coaster being built in America. But... Universal just built one! Epic Universe will have Starfall Racers. So the racing coaster isn't dead yet. In the meantime, I would like to see Rougarou and Iron Dragon replaced, perhaps building something family friendly, but not kiddie, a la Hagrid's at Islands of Adventure. But keep Gemini!
Gemini is a great ride when both sides are running. Still smooth. Still fun. 😊There’s usually a line when I’m there. Mine ride and corkscrew never have a line and both are rough.
Gemini, CCMR, Corkscrew, and Iron Dragon are all good entry-level coasters even if outdated and in need of updating although Gemini (and Magnum) have really gotten rough with age. What about an RMC treatment of Gemini but without the intensity of Steel Vengeance, SteVe Junior?
You can have racing coasters going forward. A ride like west coast racers works in terms of a racing coaster going forward. I hope get don’t remove it but if they do my choice would be an Eejanaika clone/type ride.
Gemini could always get RMC'd, but the park already has one really big RMC, and Gemini is one of the "easy-big" coasters to get kids and newbies used to coasters, so idk
Honestly, they could just do what they did with twisted Colossus at six flags magic mountain and it would solve all of their problems and make it a standout ride that people would wait in line for again
Yes! Let's build another record-breaking prototype roller coaster! We haven't had _any problems_ in the past with them! Cedar Point would be made more pleasant by an average-sized, thrilling wooden roller coaster. A Gravity Group ride along the lines of the awesome Boardwalk Bullet (an easy top-five wood coaster that takes up only one acre). GCI would be fine, too, I just prefer Gravity Group, especially their powerful "family" wood coasters like Wooden Warrior & Roar-O-Saurus. Speaking of which, one of those would be a great addition to the Camp Snoopy expansion proposed in this video. So, _two_ new wood coasters at Cedar Point! A large & small version, side-by-side! A near-copy of the famous Cedar Point Cyclone would also be a good tribute to the history of this park.
The BEST Thing they could replace it with ive said all along they should build a west coast racers style RMC Single rail double/triple launcher..... But no one listens to me nooo
Honestly they should relocate kiddie kingdom to Millennium island.There is a little snoopy area in that direction.Tear down mine ride and build a big bear mountain or some other vekoma boomerang in the area along with a walkway connecting Millennium force area to the Gemini area w/o walking all the way around. Nothing would be better than having the t-rex/raptor where Gemini stands,the only other idea would be the B&M giga,you know the other 2 times it was mentioned maybe the 3rd is the charm.CP needs to condense the kiddie area for sure,as it is now we have the big one in the front and the lil snoopy area by snake river expedition..
Haven't watched it yet. I've always said a dueling GCI or Gravity Group with a wild side and a tame side. Theme it to 70's disco and call it "Gemini Generation X"
Hey on a random note. Lost Island Themepark posted a teaser coming soon video about a potential new attraction for 2024. From the video people have spotted a RMC Moose blueprint in the video. So idk if you want to look into it further but Lost Island Themepark in Iowa could be getting Americas first RMC Moose Coaster which would be crazy if they build the first one.
@@TP_Recommendations yeah it might give you a nice potential video if they do actually build a RMC Moose in 2024. Lost Island is in a nice location for a ride maker to potentially showcase new smaller rides. I wonder if RMC gave them a discount on the ride as nobody seems to be buying the RMC Moose model yet.
I prefer a 4th option, RMC Gemini and make it a mobius coaster like Twisted Colossus at SFMM, it'll save them money on staffing and keep it a racing/dueling coaster.
They just reworked CCMR track so I'm hoping for something similar with gemini soon. It was running really smooth last year. I got a shirt for Christmas, so excited to get to some parks and spreading positivity in 2024! Id love to see premier modify and lengthen corkscrew, retrack without reprofiling magnum, etc. but honestly, i know that some things deserve preservation whereas others deserve to be replaced and retired with dignity. I really hope the concept of the corkscrew path interaction is reused in the replacement ride. It wouldnt be like CP to leave the track from the old ride as decoration. I can see 2026 as a timeframe for the ending of corkscrew. Just a few thoughts i wanted to throw out there
They need to replace Gemini with a nice massive GCI similar to wodan. Gemini has definitely reached its service life. I even go as far as to say they should get rid of Magnum
Why not just have them do something like they did with Twisted Colossus at SFMM and make it 1 station 3 trains and call it Gemini's Revenge? I think that'll be even better than getting rid of it all together. Like if you agree. 👇
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Well if they replace ceder creak mine ride they should replace it with a new mine ride & Gemini with a new wooden roller coaster & iron dragon a good replacement would be a flying coaster
an rmc t-rex would be incredible, its an idea thats being doing the rounds for years now. An extreme spinner or a infinity coaster would be winners too, Cedar point doesnt have any seriously beyond vertical drops in its line up and these all can provide that.
I feel like there's a market for a company like Vekoma or Mack or even S&S to go in and retrack these great old Arrow coasters to give them new life again. This is something that I would LOVE to see them do to Gemini. Its going to be a hard sell to get an amusement park to get rid of a capacity monster like a dueling coaster, too.
Introducing geminis revenge...a gerstlauer dueling infinity coaster with 1450 ft of track...with a height of 170 ft and a first drop of 80 degrees...and 6 inversions...
I think a nice GCI woodie is in order. I also would like to see the old station repurposed because Gemini has a beautiful mid century modern station and it would be a shame to see it go. of course the inside would have to be reworked to fit the new ride
Out of the options that you mentioned, I think that Cedar Point will utilize the Gemini plot of land for a Camp Snoopy and a new family launch coaster.
I hope they keep Gemini around for a very long time.
Me too! One of my first big coasters as a kid and still solid to this day
Me too!
Agree. It's a classic.
i just didn’t like this ride very much… i have to give it another chance
Can’t agree more. I rode it during coaster mania this year in the back row. It had some crazy airtime.
I personally see both side of Gemini running most of the time when I am at the park. Sometimes it goes down to one side but usually it’s only for a couple of hours. It does not open on certain days during halloweekends. It’s a people eater so it needs replaced with a people eater. I could see corkscrew being removed first to make way for the outdoor stage being moved over there by the skyride and a new vertical launch coaster or a copperhead strike type of coaster (one that goes over the maintenance shops, the new stage area, and the midway by TopThrill2) in that plot of land!
That’s great to hear! It wasn’t in when I was with you both days in October 😂
You’re bad luck haha
@@TP_Recommendations I hope the crack on fury didn’t start when I was there back in February of last year!
Corkscrew, as bad and rough a ride as it is, is too iconic to remove. It's been a central part of CP's promotional shots for decades.
Gemini is a classic. It might make more sense to keep it, than to raze it.
I think Iron Dragon makes the most sense to replace, first.
I love Gemini and it would be very sad to see it go, now Rougarou on the other hand I don’t think anyone would really care if they got rid of it only thing is there’s not a lot of space
I wish they got rid of rougarou
Rougarou is a white elephant. Waste of money and space.
@drmac9884 Yeah, I totally agree. Let's sign a petition to get rid of Rougarou. It's the worst roller coaster at Cedar Point, hands down.
@@_Jeandel_corkscrew exists...
If they got rid of rougarou and iron dragon at the same time they could put 1 bigger coaster there i know iron dragon removal controversial tho
Cp ride op that has worked in gemini here. Gemini is not going to be scrapped unless something major happens to the ride. It’s extremely reliable for the age it has, cheap to maintain and operate, has brutal capacity and it’s on the tamer side out of all the coasters cp has, and there’s not that many of them that fulfill this category. Also, the “It only operates one side the majority of time” is not true at all. During the first hour of opening and last hours of operation the ride will close one side due to lack of riders, and at the beginning and end of the season it will run only with one train frequently due to this lack of ridership, so they can send half of the crew home cause the rides operates like two completely independent rides. Think about it, it runs with two trains on each track, 30 people per train, with a minimum REAL dispatch interval of around 80 seconds (could be less but that’s the perfect interval to get trains coming into the station at a regular pace). Doing some simple math here this ride has a 2700 people per hour real capacity which is absolutely bonkers (Maverick for example, another ride i worked at, would make at most 70 dispatches per hour for a real capacity of 840 people per hour). This means Gemini only running one side duplicates the capacity of maverick when it’s not dispatching trains as regularly, which makes you understand why they tend to close one side (hell, they could keep it closed all day and the line wouldn’t get much longer, but the racing is the main reason both sides are open).
One side of this coaster, if needed, can be operated with only 4 RIDE OPERATORS (One at the entrance and for fast lane, two for checking seats and one in controls, that’s it). This makes it one of the cheapest rides in the park to operate. It almost never has a extended period of downtime, the racing aspect is something completely unique in the park, and it’s an arrow coaster, some of the most reliable coaster manufacturers in the market along with B&M. Its a people eater, a great first big scale ride for kids to experience, has a relatively low requirement, and a really fun gimmick that is the racing on top of how cheap it is for cp to maintain it. I don’t have insights of cp, but when you work the ride and get to know how it runs, you end up knowing Gemini will not leave unless a major fire destroys its structure or some catastrophic event like that.
Iron Dragon, Mine Ride and Gemini are great starter roller coasters for young people to work up to the bigger coasters. Hope they keep them.
I think that a Mack extreme spinner, Gerstlauer (maybe one with a launch that will come close to matching Dragster's), or an RMC raptor would work wonders for this park. But I just can't get over imagining a Gravity Group woodie in this plot of land. I've ridden Leviathan at Sea World Australia, and it is really a cure for our coaster envy down under! It has just the right amount of roughness, amazing pacing, and lots of airtime! Cedar Point could even market an upcharge backwards row like what the Australian parks are doing, and they could once again take the title of best coaster in the park from Steel Vengeance. But I gotta think...your idea and layout of the RMC Trex is something else, and would be THE BEST coaster if built without OTSRs.
I'd love to see a Gerstlauer infinity coaster on the boardwalk. With a lighting package similar to hangtime
That would be a great fit!
or a Eurofighter with a world-class launch (something that Cedar Point now lacks)
I do agree with you that Cedar Point may not want to preserve Iron Dragon. I can see it’s spare parts being used for Vortex at CW as well as The Bat at Kings Island.
The only question is what could replace Iron Dragon? Its plot of land is very tight between Rougarou and Top Thrill 2. Personally I could see something like Big Bear Mountain go where Iron Dragon currently is.
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@@TP_Recommendations Will do haha
iron dragon will probably be gone in the next 5 years, being the oldest still operating of its kind. something like big bear mountain would fit very well, but its also a great opportunity to finally add the missing piece to the roller coaster capital of the world , a true flying coaster , either by b&m or vekoma , following iron dragons lay out would be awsome , if CP is ever going to add a flying coaster this would be the best spot and opportunity for them to do so
When I went to cedar point I didn’t have much time and my family didn’t want to do this one because they thought it was rough, so I thought I’d do it the next time I’ll go but that will probably be years, hopefully it sticks around!
You know what's funny about Gemini? It's that despite the fact that seems everyone on the internet seems to hate the ride, it still gets a ton of riders after nearly 50 years. I'm a fan of Gemini and I hope I go before it does. If CP has to remove a coaster, let be Iron Dragon or Rougarou.
When I went to cedar point I actually got lucky and Gemini was racing and got an awesome racing experience
It's a great ride! I really miss those days!
@@TP_Recommendations I went last in the summer of 2022
Gemini has character that many large parks are lacking. Let’s not mess with a classic due to a temporary stall on American prosperity.
Imo a Zambezi Zinger sized GCI or a Gravity Group family wooden coaster would be the most realistic replacement for Gemini. I really can't imagine them wanting to replace a family coaster with a thrill coaster, especially with how old most of their family coaster lineup is
Great idea! Thanks for sharing!
I would miss Gemini. It was about the only racer that was designed well enough to genuinely race. I remember people touching hands between both trains when I was there.
I used to love that!
I honestly think the best use for the Gemini plot would be a modern GCI roller coaster as Cedar Points biggest gap is a modern wooden coaster
Would be legit!
That would be a better candidate for a Rougarou/Iron Dragon replacement imo
They don’t really need to remove anything to add a good GCI other than the sky coaster they have that would be the perfect plot for it. Where shoot the Rapids and the frontier island attraction used to be.
I think they need to do a location swap. The GCI woodie would be best, imo, in Cedar Creek Mine Ride's location, maybe with some parts over on Millennium Island.
@lightningboat No, I'd rather see a Mack XSC there. A modern woodie makes more sense replacing CCMR with a major presence on the island.
Ride every time I go down. Taught my kids all of the things that everyone use to do on it. Paddle coming out of the station, pull the trains up the hill, and high-5 people on the curves
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they used to do 3-train ops on each side.
Love it
I think all the older Coasters mentioned here need to make it to their 50th then get retired. If gemini is replaced it needs to be a dualing coaster. I really like the idea of the European park doing the Extreme and Family dualing Raptors. That would be a great concept. They cant get rid of the racing/ dualing concept. Corkscrew can go. Be replaced with a new intense looper by Mack, Vekoma, or Zamperla. Id like Iron dragon to stick around, if not, a great custom family invert or Flying coaster would be perfect to stick with dragon theme. Blue Streak needs to be retracked just like Racer.
I REALLY like the idea of dropping kiddie kingdom. I think a new Cyclone wooden coaster would be perfect for the Boardwalk. Anything can replace CC Mine Ride. A modern family coaster like Big Bear would be perfect going over water onto Millenium Island. That is a surprisingly HUGE plot of land!
Kiddy kingdom needs to go
Gemini is not going anywhere Brandon. I can promise you that. There are no plans in the next 10 years to even blink an eye at replacing it. It’s here to stay, it’s a landmark, still delivers a thrill and racing dueling coasters are scarce and rare.
Every time I went to cedar point as a kid and young adult, I would ride Gemini over and over. 25 years since my last time, I can still remember the sounds, feels and smell of it.
What is it with thoosies hating gemini so much? Gemini is better than half the rides at CP and is a great family coaster and an absolute capacity monster. Also, Gemini runs both sides nearly every time I’ve been there. And yeah it goes down occasionally but like it’s usually back up after a little while. Like not everything needs to be a 25 million dollar 5 star thrill ride smdh. I am the biggest Gemini supporter and will die on the Gemini’s hill for it to stay
I’m not hating on it. I’m just bringing up the obvious question is all. Thank you for watching. 🎢
Also, if CP is going to put in a Camp Snoopy expansion, they're going to build it on the island. Just add a ramp bridge that provides clearance for the SRE boats, and they can reuse the infrastructure from Dinos Alive / Forbidden Frontier. That said, when it's time to replace Gemini, CP should add something unique to the back of the park that's also a decent people-eater. It'd be extremely hard to top a modern Vekoma flyer here - *F.L.Y.* is designed to cycle 1400 riders / hour.
Iron Dragon can go. Would love to see Cedar Point take a gamble and put either an axis or tilt coaster in its place.
If they got rid of cedar creek mine ride too they could make something really insane that interacts with the pathways of guests
I say level gemini and replace it with a record breaking mack spinner. Something with 4k+ of track and 3 launches.
You mention staffing, maybe Six Flags will teach Cedar Fair how to run coasters with 2-3 crew lol. That's what they were doing at St. Louis last year, the board operator was checking restraints and the op on the other side of the train was responsible for height checks, a third on the platform to dispatch from the rear, and that's it. Oh, there was a fourth on Batman as a greeter to remind you to go pay for a locker.
Yeah I think it might come to that soonn
4D coaster! I don’t care where it goes, I just think one of those would be perfect at Cedar Point! I’m talking one like Eejanaika not a free spin, bring em back S&S!
They’d probably come back in some new form, but I don’t think those kind of coasters are dead, I think if any park is willing to build a new one of them, it’ll be Cedar Point.
I like your ideas. Gemini is a fun coaster when both sides run, but between ride ops and one side always getting stuck it rarely does. Its plane boring when only one side runs. You start noticing how slow the turns really are. I love the idea of your T rex, also love to see a Mack spinner or GCI woodie, although that woodie should be what replaces Mine ride. I think the four you listed are totally coming up on their end of life run.
This begs the question, is Magnum safe? I think it is since its the coaster that really started it all, that being said, I do feel they need to start planning a refurb.
I think they would get new track for magnum for sure and retrack it
@@TP_Recommendations I'd like to see new trains. Those restraints are thigh killers
Woah now, hang on a second there, Brandon. Gemini DOES run both sides all the time. It's just when they open the ride at noon, it only opens the one side until the line requires it. There was only a couple days when I seen it only running red.
Thank you!
What I would do is expand camp snoopy
The inversion record, Gerslower in kitty Kingdom
And the extreme spinner, where corkscrew is
Great ideas!
Brandon, could you do a video series where maybe you break down each chain and give each park in the chain a coaster type they actually need. You could probably keep Six Flag and Cedar Fair Seperate for this video.
Personally, i think what Cedar Point needs in either a new Gen wooden Coaster or North America Inversion record breaker machine. I just don't see a 500-foot coaster until maybe 2030 plus. And include which ride manufacturer you think could work. S&S might get a better version of Steel Curtain.
King's Island and/or Carowinds, possibly a 5 Axis Coaster from S&S or an entreme Spinner from Mack Rides? Neither park as a wing Coaster and King's Island has 2 around them, Thunder Bird at Holiday World and Gatekeeper at the Point.
I think cedar point can go for the inversion record in the kiddy kingdom plot and put in an infinity coaster. Then I think with that new plot of land by perimeter road, they might be able to fit in a modern GCI twister layout or an extreme spinner. For gemeni I also think an extreme spinner could go there if they decide to put the wooden coaster on the other plot. Another thing they could do with Gemini is have GCI “re track” it and keep the original layout (somewhat) and add some new fun elements while keeping it somewhat of a family coaster.
The biggest upside Gemini has is it is a capacity monster and a transfer between the small rides and some of the taller ones so idont think they would get rid of it anytime soon
Here is some additional info about Gemini's closing on certain days during Halloweekends. It is closed on Thursdays during Halloweekends. Part of the reason for this is crowd levels on Thursdays are very low. Most rides are a walk on. Gemini is usually very busy when it is open. I have seen 1 hour waits when both sides are running (four train operations) and then walk a few minutes to Magnum XL-200 to see that Magnum has a 10 minute wait with two trains running. I do not think Gemini is going anywhere.
Thank you
I don't think Gemini is anywhere near CP's top priority for removal. It's still useful as a people-eater on the busiest summer days, and it helps ease younger riders into the park's big thrills. (It definitely does that much better than Cedar Creek Mine Ride, which should absolutely be removed before 2030!). That said, to pave the way for CCMR closing, CP should add a launched Vekoma or B&M family coaster. I'd expect that to go into the former dorm plot by the *marina* and use jet-ski-themed trains. There just isn't that much space on the Kiddie Kingdom site - if CP were to remove most of those rides, a *Wild Moose* might be the best fit there. I also expect Corkscrew to close before Gemini does to help manage TT2's crowds. If Vekoma can build a *beyond-vertical tilt* coaster there (maintaining the iconic double corkscrew), it'd meet or even exceed TT2's hype with the GP.
They can never replace Gemini. Although, Michigan’s Adventure would benefit greatly from Gemini being transported there.
For an older arrow...it actually is fine...its a classic and isnt rough. Keeping a racer is important. ..at kings Island the wooden racer they have was so fun to see my brother in the other train as we sped along! Good memories
They damn well better keep their ever lovin' hands off of Blue Streak!
If something is going to replace Gemini I want something that’s not going to be too intense but not too tame, kinda like Gemini and it’s intensity, I would maybe like something like Gci Titan track with infinity flyer trains, just not sure if it would fit the land. Thanks for looking over all your comments, even though you have a lot.
If they do replace Gemini it will definitely be a major coaster. Also dont forget that snippet of land towards SteVe they have to use. I also dont see Kiddie Kingdom going away, I see planet snoopy going first and they would probably replace it in a new area to spread the kids areas out, either on Millennium island or the bare space between the railroad and Valraven one they reroute perimeter road.
I have to wonder how a revamp of CCMR by GCI or Gravity Group might work out. (I.E. using the supports, but all new track)
A few years ago GCI presented their new dueling model with inversions at IAAPA. Initially everyone was talking about that one but no one has said anything about it for a while. I don't know if this is yet another situation of a project that was derailed due to the pandemic. But the model looked solid. I thought at the time that this would be the ideal replacement for Gemini and I still do. The park really ought to have another woodie and something big, fast, modern and twisted and having the added capacity of a dueling coaster would be perfect for Cedar Point.
I know some people are skeptical that it'll look like it's the same thing as Gemini and fail to draw attention. But just look at the model that was presented and you'll realize it would turn heads.
Yeah that model looks great.
Long time no see Theme Park Predictions. Great to be back! God bless all
Haha thank you
Something like Big Bear mountain would be a perfect replacement for Cedar Creek Mine Ride, I could see it having solid theming too.
A true woodie is the obvious replacement for Gemini if they ever go that route, but I kind of have a hard time seeing them removing it, its too historical and classic. I actually could see them renovating it in some way.
I just want to let you all know that I'm so old that I remember when Gemini was a big deal and people were waiting in line for hours to ride it. I am so old that the only coaster at Cedar Point that's older than me is Blue Streak. I'm so old that I remember the double ferris wheel and Jumbo Jet. I'm so old that I remember the string wrist bands they used to give out . lol
@dingdog22, I'm right there with you!! I STILL to this day, have a string wrist band from 1973. The Year I 1st rode Jumbo Jet, and became a Rollercoaster Enthusiasts, LONG BEFORE ACE was even a Glimmer.🤣🤣🤣 Jumbo Jet was Definitely my favorite Rollercoaster of that time. Wish it would have made a comeback to Cedar Point instead of the Piece of Cheese that's on the New Boardwalk.
@@ellexking9136 I'm not too crazy about Wild Mouse either. the spinning is too intense. just about everything on that stupid boardwalk is some vomit inducing spin machine. those of us of a certain age need to pace ourselves. lol
@@dindog22 I'm with you on that 100%🤣
I think they'll update the operating system for the ride, something like gatekeepers booth over the top and reconfigure it to run with less workers, and then use that big ole plot between gemini and steve (moving the facility their of course) and build something big there.
Would it be cool to See GCI build a Dueling Wood/Titan Coaster for Gemini? One could be more Tame and more Family Focused and the other side could be a GCI Hybrid that more of a RMC while chasing the tame coaster? 2 Different ride experience on one Coaster thrill level.
No way they’re getting rid of iron dragon, it’s such an iconic ride at cedar point. Every time I go, I either see a normal sized line or a humongous line.
I'd prefer Corkscrew or Cedar Creek Mine Ride get removed before Gemini. I'd be happy with any new coasters they're replaced with, as long as they're over 100ft tall.
I agree
I actually proposed a Gemini renovation to the park once when I got a reply from a survey some years ago that involved adding things like colored lights, smoke and strobes. Basically, give it a nice retrack, but also amp up the special effects. Imagine your train running behind the whole way only to hit the smoke just before the helix and then when you hit the brakes, you emerge and see your color flash indicating you won!
every year you scream t rex. Most parks are not willing to risk a concept in 2024 metal is very expensive.
Just visited over the summer, by far the one I would vote to go is Iron Dragon (or Raptor).
"I predict that there's a chance ...". Doesn' t the fact that you're making a "prediction" mean you think there's a chance?
Valid point!
So there was a day I went to cedar point and the lines for all the rides were really short. Only long lines were steel vengeance and maverick. even milli was a 5 minute wait btw. so for Gemini there was no one in the line. NO ONE. So I went on with my brother and asked if we could race the trains, and they let us. It's still one of my favorite rollercoaster experiences I had
I still have a ton of fun on Gemini, especially when it is racing. You mentioned you don't see a racing coaster being built in America. But... Universal just built one! Epic Universe will have Starfall Racers. So the racing coaster isn't dead yet. In the meantime, I would like to see Rougarou and Iron Dragon replaced, perhaps building something family friendly, but not kiddie, a la Hagrid's at Islands of Adventure. But keep Gemini!
Gemini is a great ride when both sides are running. Still smooth. Still fun. 😊There’s usually a line when I’m there.
Mine ride and corkscrew never have a line and both are rough.
I think Brandon should get a seat on Cedar Point's planning team. He's got some great ideas there.
Thank you!
Gemini, CCMR, Corkscrew, and Iron Dragon are all good entry-level coasters even if outdated and in need of updating although Gemini (and Magnum) have really gotten rough with age. What about an RMC treatment of Gemini but without the intensity of Steel Vengeance, SteVe Junior?
You can have racing coasters going forward. A ride like west coast racers works in terms of a racing coaster going forward. I hope get don’t remove it but if they do my choice would be an Eejanaika clone/type ride.
Somewhere around the park I’d like to imagine a big B&M flyer
Only valid replacement in my eyes is gci racer/dualing coaster.
Gemini still runs amazing, and a capacity monster! No need to get rid of it anytime soon
Gemini could always get RMC'd, but the park already has one really big RMC, and Gemini is one of the "easy-big" coasters to get kids and newbies used to coasters, so idk
If Cedar Point wants to make history .... the first coaster in the US with 10 inversions. A Gerstlauer Infinity would work well.
Honestly, they could just do what they did with twisted Colossus at six flags magic mountain and it would solve all of their problems and make it a standout ride that people would wait in line for again
Geminis on prime real estate. It will definitely go within the next 10 years.
I agree 💯
Can we just get a park for adults over 16?! All coasters, some food places and scary rides.
I really hope they keep it! It's such a classic and I would be so sad to see it go.
Tbh it should be a classic woody most if not all big amusement parks have at least 2
Imo, Cedar Point DESPERATELY needs a good wooden coaster. That, and a good dark ride. Then they'd be set!
Yes! Let's build another record-breaking prototype roller coaster! We haven't had _any problems_ in the past with them! Cedar Point would be made more pleasant by an average-sized, thrilling wooden roller coaster. A Gravity Group ride along the lines of the awesome Boardwalk Bullet (an easy top-five wood coaster that takes up only one acre). GCI would be fine, too, I just prefer Gravity Group, especially their powerful "family" wood coasters like Wooden Warrior & Roar-O-Saurus. Speaking of which, one of those would be a great addition to the Camp Snoopy expansion proposed in this video. So, _two_ new wood coasters at Cedar Point! A large & small version, side-by-side! A near-copy of the famous Cedar Point Cyclone would also be a good tribute to the history of this park.
The BEST Thing they could replace it with ive said all along they should build a west coast racers style RMC Single rail double/triple launcher..... But no one listens to me nooo
Honestly they should relocate kiddie kingdom to Millennium island.There is a little snoopy area in that direction.Tear down mine ride and build a big bear mountain or some other vekoma boomerang in the area along with a walkway connecting Millennium force area to the Gemini area w/o walking all the way around. Nothing would be better than having the t-rex/raptor where Gemini stands,the only other idea would be the B&M giga,you know the other 2 times it was mentioned maybe the 3rd is the charm.CP needs to condense the kiddie area for sure,as it is now we have the big one in the front and the lil snoopy area by snake river expedition..
Yup! 💯
The best replacement for gemini is gemini with new track
Gemini is a dope coaster that should not be removed plain and simple. Remove iron dragon and corkscrew first
Haven't watched it yet. I've always said a dueling GCI or Gravity Group with a wild side and a tame side. Theme it to 70's disco and call it "Gemini Generation X"
I can almost take a nap on Iron Dragon but I absolutely love it. ! I would hate to see it go😢
They need to replace the Corkscrew…Gemini is such a fun coaster.
Why do all the coaster enthusiasts want Gemini to be tore down?
It’s not that we want it to… it’s just when you factor in the age and the location, it’s only a matter of time.
Rougarou go Michigan adventure
Hey on a random note. Lost Island Themepark posted a teaser coming soon video about a potential new attraction for 2024. From the video people have spotted a RMC Moose blueprint in the video. So idk if you want to look into it further but Lost Island Themepark in Iowa could be getting Americas first RMC Moose Coaster which would be crazy if they build the first one.
Interesting!!! Thanks for sharing!
@@TP_Recommendations yeah it might give you a nice potential video if they do actually build a RMC Moose in 2024. Lost Island is in a nice location for a ride maker to potentially showcase new smaller rides. I wonder if RMC gave them a discount on the ride as nobody seems to be buying the RMC Moose model yet.
The third option sounds good UNTIL YOU SAY IT'LL HAVE A 325 ft CHAIN LIFT ARE YA OUTTA YO MIND
I prefer a 4th option, RMC Gemini and make it a mobius coaster like Twisted Colossus at SFMM, it'll save them money on staffing and keep it a racing/dueling coaster.
I second that....another version of tc and world tallest racing coaster....easy money for them and an easy record breaker.
They just reworked CCMR track so I'm hoping for something similar with gemini soon. It was running really smooth last year.
I got a shirt for Christmas, so excited to get to some parks and spreading positivity in 2024!
Id love to see premier modify and lengthen corkscrew, retrack without reprofiling magnum, etc. but honestly, i know that some things deserve preservation whereas others deserve to be replaced and retired with dignity. I really hope the concept of the corkscrew path interaction is reused in the replacement ride. It wouldnt be like CP to leave the track from the old ride as decoration. I can see 2026 as a timeframe for the ending of corkscrew. Just a few thoughts i wanted to throw out there
They need to replace Gemini with a nice massive GCI similar to wodan. Gemini has definitely reached its service life. I even go as far as to say they should get rid of Magnum
They better not dare remove Gemini.
Why not just have them do something like they did with Twisted Colossus at SFMM and make it 1 station 3 trains and call it Gemini's Revenge? I think that'll be even better than getting rid of it all together. Like if you agree.
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Gemini does not need to be replaced
Whatever they do, make it dueling.
Loving things and watching them go makes the thought of death much easier for me. You need to love to truly live and once you fully live, you don’t mind dying.
Petition to keeo Gemini for awhile but top thrill 2 names changes
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Didn't they recently spend a lot to update Mine Ride?
Cedar point seems like they will never part from their arrows
Well if they replace ceder creak mine ride they should replace it with a new mine ride & Gemini with a new wooden roller coaster & iron dragon a good replacement would be a flying coaster
an rmc t-rex would be incredible, its an idea thats being doing the rounds for years now. An extreme spinner or a infinity coaster would be winners too, Cedar point doesnt have any seriously beyond vertical drops in its line up and these all can provide that.
I feel like there's a market for a company like Vekoma or Mack or even S&S to go in and retrack these great old Arrow coasters to give them new life again. This is something that I would LOVE to see them do to Gemini. Its going to be a hard sell to get an amusement park to get rid of a capacity monster like a dueling coaster, too.
Gci dueling would be crazy
Introducing geminis revenge...a gerstlauer dueling infinity coaster with 1450 ft of track...with a height of 170 ft and a first drop of 80 degrees...and 6 inversions...
I think a nice GCI woodie is in order. I also would like to see the old station repurposed because Gemini has a beautiful mid century modern station and it would be a shame to see it go. of course the inside would have to be reworked to fit the new ride
Out of the options that you mentioned, I think that Cedar Point will utilize the Gemini plot of land for a Camp Snoopy and a new family launch coaster.
I hope they remove Gemini last of those 4. CCMR is past its time and nobody rides anymore. Plus there is a lot of room there to build something great!