What's Going On With Top Thrill 2 At Cedar Point?
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- When will Cedar Point's NEW Top Thrill 2 reopen and what is going on with it? Plus, how does this extended closure affect Cedar Point's future? Should we blame Cedar Point or Zamperla? Should Cedar Point have gone with Intamin for this project?
No one knows yet - but what we do know is Zamperla has a major problem on their hands.
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I had a bad feeling when you noticed the shimmy in the silver train.
It shimmied with the old dragster trains.
I ultimately think it's a wheel issue but only time will tell.
@EK-deenutz
From what we've heard here and from others there's a distinct difference in the silver trains ride compared to the blue and black. Definitely something not right at all. I rode the blue and it seemed acceptable.
@@LTCoasters
Yep, or wheel carriages perhaps.
The part that bugs me the most is cedar points 3 best “working” coasters are made by the 2 company’s the refuse to work with
💯 agreed
That part
They refuse to work with RMC? Since when?
@@sambulthuis287 if I recall it had to do with SteVe related post testing phase issues they encountered, but maybe CF opened another RMC after SteVe but not sure. However I think it was that one that ended their working relationship, I’m not sure what the prior rides were that CF supposedly had issues with by RMC though. I had never heard any problems with Twisted Timber so maybe they had issues with rail blazer but not sure. I didn’t even know CF parks had all that many hybrid RMCs to begin with and if I recall the only CF park with an RMC single rail was Cali Great America
Same!!
Good point about solving the locker situation while the park has the chance. Nobody else said that, but it's true.
Literally every video on this ride is saying that.
If I'm Intamin, now would be a great time to send Cedar Fair people a nice gift basket and a montage of their greatest coasters in action with "Don't You Forget About Me" playing in the background, anything to get them out of the CF doghouse.
I'd love to see King's Island get their first Intamin coaster someday, perhaps something like Velocicoaster for that nice spot of land where Vortex used to be.
KI is my home park. That would be amazing
Agreed. KI needs Velocicoaster or Steel Vengance. If it had both: nobody would go to Cedar Point anymore until their ops improve to pre pandemic levels. Maybe then they would't act so overconfident
@@Paolo8772Nah, they need a Volcano Blast Coaster.
@@Paolo8772 Considering SteVe is a wooden structure that will never happen. It's amazing and hopefully yall get something comparable but that coaster literally the example of lightning in a bottle.
@@chrishoward7645 Which is why people put up w Cedar Points bad ops.
I’m nothing more, nothing less than another cedar point attendee. I’m 30, i’ve been racking my mind, but I really think I only got to ride the dragster twice, both times in one visit. My last time riding it was in the evening shortly before the park was about to close because the line was much shorter. I never forget being all the way up there, looking over my left down at the Q station and up at the rest of the park all lit up.
I’m a union ironworker, I’m very adamant about safety. Saving or preserving human life is humanity’s greatest achievement. Many people do not understand, this is not a carousel with a max speed of 10 miles an hour. This ride goes 400+ feet in the air at 120 mph. Everything on this ride needs to be 125% safe. The wheels, the track itself, the launch system, the brakes, the restraints, the trains.
My heart goes out to the people that have to make these decisions because they just don’t wanna see anybody else die or get hurt. They also don’t want to see the ride be removed. If you gave me the option:
A, keep the ride, closed the rest of the year to get it 125% safe so nobody gets hurt and we can continue to enjoy the ride
-or-
Option B, we hurry up to get it open again and the worst happens, And then the ride has to be torn down.
I’m going with option A.
I’m with you. My prediction is that it won’t run until 2025
My brother lives in Port Clinton and hangs at a bar that some of the cedar point staff hang out in. He said some of the staff were told that bogie’s were showing signs of premature stress. They noticed it during the media openings and the initial few days of operation but were waiting to see if it would settle in or get worse. Apparently, they got worse.
what is a "bogie"
This ride is over 400ft tall and does 120mph, there will be issues. I'm sure Zamperla will figure it out and the ride will be fine. Over time I'm pretty sure it'll be more reliable than it was prior.
Me too. I think it's inevitable they were going to have issues. It's a "new" coaster.
Don't jinx it mf
I'm going to defend Zamperla here. They have done everything perfectly up until this point but this is the first ever time the Lightning trains are being used, and it's for a 400 foot coaster! Zamperla has handled the situation amazingly, and CP now has three Top 25 coasters to thank for it.
CP has so many great coasters. Zamperla did a great job - when it's running :)
New Zamperla ride Windstrarz in New York. That ride is already having issues with the restraints. Embarrassing. The park has to have 2 ride ops just to release your restraint and let you off the ride. Zamperla is garbage!
As someone who worked there in the past and takes multiple trips a summer, it seems CP is running on fumes. They have seemingly been cutting corners on cost the past 5-10 years. Millenium and maverick are very worn down. Closed often due to mechanical issues(and ofcourse weather)that could be avoided with more maintenance.
There also have been more and more restaurant chains that are leaving the point. Chick fila(left twice 😂) as well as Johnny rockets and now MELT too! When their contracts expire CP seemingly is looking for too big of a cut that these places are not willing to pay. Being cheap while also charging outrageous prices is def going to catch up to them!
I agree. I've been saying this for years. Glad more people are starting to realize this.
Very well said.
I agree, without Top Thrill 2 I have no desire to visit Cedar Point.
The last time I went to Cedar Point was in 2018.
Millennium Force was down the entire day because it's lift motor was broken, but I got to ride Top Thrill Dragster. After I rode Top Thrill Dragster, I immediately got in line and got back on it again, and it broke down while my train was in the launch area. One of the ride attendants then made an announcement saying, "We anticipate that this will be a lengthy delay; we suggest that you ride other rides." I had no idea that would be the last time I would ever ride Top Thrill Dragster.
Top Thrill Dragster did fairly well for a number of years. I have gotten to ride it every time I've been to Cedar Point except the first time I went, which was in 2006. That time, it got shut down for the rest of the day due to heavy winds.
Should have paid up and went with Intamin. Hope they saved the old trains so they can retro fit them lol. But for real, we could have had so much more than a bare minimum ride. Airtime hill on the launch track, vertical LSMs, a more traditional rollback, trains that are already tested. Prototype or not, they didn't test the trains properly for the ride they were sticking them on. Like really, who couldn't see this coming with them maxing out the limits of their prototype train pretty much right out of the gate? They tried to sprint before they learned to walk confidently. And they used the public's safety as their test to try to slingshot their company into the big boy coaster game. Thankfully this stuff was being paid attention to with maintenance checks.
I agree. They should have went with Intamin. Intamin would have gave us a far better product with much more to offer and higher quality and reliability. CP chose the cheap route and that's why they chose zamperla
Are we all forgetting how unreliable the Intamin run TTD was?
Yeah, even though Zamperla did an amazing job here, I think that Intamin should’ve been the choice for the re-imaging of Top Thrill Dragster.
They did go with Intamin lol.. like 6 of the highest up people in intamin moved to zamperla, 4 of them where engineers who originally worked on Dragster.
@@C3mvp I don't think that was Intamin's fault tbh. It was 2004, and the hydraulic launch tech was sketchy AF
I think this should actually accelerate their next addition. They have to save face now. I think zamperla is going to fix things as fast as possible and this time no mistakes. Some things you just can't simulate when designing something. Now they know. How does it effect their other refurbished coaster they installed though...that's a good question
At the speeds this coaster goes you got to have some very tough durable wheel assemblies !
Like you said this is a prototype ride. The trains and larger wheels have no track record to look at. You can run simulations and tests but until you run the actual ride under the everyday stress and loads you won't know for sure how they will perform and last. Our first ride was the front of blue and the last was the back of silver. I don't know if it was the different row but we noticed a lot more shaking with silver. They can't add too much weight to the trains so bigger/thicker may not be on the table. I'm sure they will test the metal to make sure it met specifications and maybe increase the specs for the new ones. If they change too many parts/pieces it will be down until 2025. If they can keep most of the items and specs and maybe increase the hardness of the metal I think they can be back up in 4 weeks. I don't know if it's an option but if they can swap these out weekly for new it could be up and running by Memorial Day. That would take a lot of time and money but I think that would get it running the earliest. I think we will see one train get the revised parts and start running in a month. The other trains won't get the modified parts until they are sure the new will hold up. Then the others will be updated and there will be hundreds of cycles if not more. I think Fury went through hundreds of cycles before reopening last year. That would take days if not a week or more. Then reinspect and probably run more and reinspect. They will run an excessive amount of tests well above and beyond what will be required. People will throw Zamperla under the bus but I think they have the most to lose if this gets worse. I'm sure they have all available resources working this issue. I think any other manufacturer would of had issues of some type but that can't be proven. I say mid June, best case, if multiple items need replaced it may be out of service until 2025.
I drove in this last weekend from Chicago to ride it. Bummed Saturday when it looked like it was closed for wind. So I go back Sunday, gorgeous weather, when the news drops. Felt such disappointment that I left the park to stop wasting even more money. I can’t help but blame cedar point for using low-budget Zamperla so they can continue to give the metaphorical middle finger to Intamin.
Damn, that's a bummer. I feel especially bad for people who planned their trips to ride TT2.
Intamin is the problem here, not Cedar Point. No responsibility. Universal is not going to work with them again after they finish their current two jobs. The Sea World (United) parks won't work with them. The issue is they take no responsibility for their design flaws. None. They take no responsibility when they screw up parts - as happened with Arctic Rescue and Darkoaster last year. Intamin is trash of late and those I know indicate they doubt Intamin will survive more than a few more years without a major shakeup in management. Intamin is arrogant and blames Universal for issues with Velocicoaster and Hagrid's - and charged Universal for their screw ups.
Zamperla is working on a fix and, unlike Intamin, took ownership of the issues with their design. Intamin would have screwed the train up and made CP pay for their design problems. This is why they are losing so much business.
My contacts at Busch Gardens and Sea World in FL have all said B&M has been amazing to work with, especially compared to the nightmare stories they heard from their counterparts in San Diego and Williamsburg that had to deal with Intamin.
I rode it. It's amazing and worth the wait. The wheels failing is super surprising. You would think the wheels used on the trains would be something written in stoned by this time of age. It will be back up. The lsm launch is known for being dependable. I have high hopes for this coaster moving forward.
I always thought something like this was going to happen..
Zamperla have never attempted anything close to the scale of this and were also using the lightning trains that are themselves a brand new design
While I agree with you, I can’t fault Zamperla. Prototypes don’t always go as planned. Intamin had some botched rides in their day, as well as Arrow and others. I fault CP for going with the low bid.
I'm seeing a lot of hate for zamperla in the comments section, this is an enormous project for them. Nobody should expect smooth sailing from a company that went from building 30mph 50 ft tall wildmice to redesigning a 420ft tall 100+ mph thrill coaster in a little over two years
My best way to view this is prototype. Cedar Fair shouldn’t have went with Zamperla if they didn’t expect issues. If everything goes smooth after this we may get better coasters in the future. I hope everything goes great!
The irritating part of the CP not working with Intiman and RMC is those company's built exactly what CF asked for ..CF has an engineering department that signed off on everything proposed and built. Lets not forget the OG dragster wasnt built as it was designed,the launch track should have been longer but CF said no do it in the space you have yet we had issues with launch system,Maverick was the 1st blitz or coaster of its kind so issues was almost a given...Millie should have been like I305 with 1 station but CF insisted on the seperate load/unload...SV.was one of the 1st hyper/hybrids,once again the 1st of anything is going to have issue's..CF is petty,now we have Zamperla soon to be ostracized for building exsctky was the park wanted...
This. A lot of the big rides at CP are prototypes as well so issues will be had. Shame that they just write a company off because of issues when the companies have proven how capable and great their coasters are.
Depends on the extent that it reached. The best case is that it's just the wheels, redesign the wheels, and install them hopefully without changing anything else. This could maybe be by Memorial Day. If it affected the wheel boggies. This will take a bit longer, maybe sometime in June. Take this with a grain of salt, but I heard that it may have affected the milled aluminum chasis. I hope that this isn't the case because that could mean that Zamperla may have to redesign the bulk of the train completely. This, of course, would take a lot longer.
This was entirely a prototype, and could never be 100 percent proven to work. However we're doing our best, and have our best engineers on this
Numerous ex intamin employees now work for Zamperla. It makes since they would hire them to do the work since they would be familiar with the coaster. Thats why they chose Zamperla
They chose Zamperla because of money. You’re wrong if you think anything else lol. CP had bad luck with Intamin so why would it blindly hire a company made up of Intamin employees?
I think it came down to Zamperla putting in the cheapest bid to reimagine TTD.
There's probably a reason that those employees left Intamin.
Our team is working tirelessly to use a different material for the wheel assembly.
We understand the disappointment, so we have another team working on a safe way to have the initial launch give a true rollback to make up for this situation
What Zamperla should do is after they get this issue figured out, and provided the rest of the rest of the operating season for CP goes well, come up with a multi-launch coaster design that combines TT2 & Xcelerator (basically extend the layout beyond swing launch, Top hat then brakerun). It doesn't have to be as tall or taller than TT2, but could be longer and incorporate more elements than TT2. It could compete with other multi-launch coaster makers on all aspects (height, speed, length and # of different elements).
I hope it's not going to be closed for the rest of the season. However... I feel like it all depends on how difficult it's going to be to engineer everything to make sure that the part is strong enough to withstand the INCREDIBLE forces this ride is going to put on the trains, particularly the wheels and wheel assemblies. Obviously, the materials they used didn't hold up as well as they first calculated. So.. It's probably going to be a matter of finding a material to make the wheel bogeys out of that is strong enough, redesigning the parts, then mounting and testing. And lest we forget, the thing with these trains is the fact that there's not any welds,.etc. So, it may not be as easy as it would be on an older train. I'm not an engineer or coaster designer by any stretch, but given all the factors it seems like it's probably going to be a complicated process.
I think they need to get those trains lower to the track because the heart line is now off from the original. Taylor Bybee said that you really get thrown going down that spiral when you are seated on the left side of the train. if the riders on the left side are feeling that, I imagine the wheel bogies would be under enough strain to start cracking. did this not show up during the testing phase? let's not forget Maverick lost her heart line roll because it put too much stress on the trains but they found it out during testing
The decision to go with zamperalla does not give me hope that cedar fair will help fix six flags ride investment problems
I guess no one remembers about TTD closing back in 2003 when it first opened to wait for a special part from Europe. I went to CP that year and didn't get to ride TTD and that's what I was told anyway. I'm not slamming Intamin for it. I realize that extreme coasters typically require some time to work out the bugs.
I think the end of June makes sense with the amount of testing and inspection that will be done.
I'm most surprised that they trusted Zamperla to build the world's first 100+ mph track switch.
I think it's messed up that Cedar Fair went with the Cheapest option for TT2. Hopefully they will get this ironed out! Keep up the great content man. Be blessed!!
That is business 101. Why pay $10 million for something if another company can do it for $5,000,000
Why do you think Knoebels builds most of their woodies in house.... #1 they own a lumber company, #2 John Fetterman (head of Maintenance) is also a designer and #3 it is cheaper.
in 1999 CCI wanted $8,000,000 to build Twister.... Knoebels did it for $3,000,0000 in house, resurrected phoenix for $1.3 million dollars all in.... and built flying turns for less than $6.5 million and that was a coaster that hasn't be produced for nearly 75+ years and no existing blue prints were found to work off of... and they still did it cheap.
The most expensive coaster at Knoebels is Impulse at a cost of $8,000,000. So knoebels has 6 coasters in total, 3 of which are worth a visit and cost a combined $12.3 million dollars over the coarse of 40 years (Phoenix, Twister, Impulse), if you add Flying Turns, Black Diamond and Kozmo's Curves they are still under $25,000,000 invested and managed to have stuff people actually want to ride.
CP invests godly amounts of money on coasters that cost a fortune to maintain, the ROI is horrible... and none of their 17 coasters rank int he top 10 of any list except Steel Vengeance
Knoebels has 2 top 25 woodies at a cost of only $4.3 million dollars. Even Holiday world has better attractions for less money.... but in the end cost is always a factor and CF justs pent $12 million for Dorney's Iron Menace and that was a waste as it is short and boring... still a welcome addition, but they originally planned a Gravity Group shuttle then the pandemic hit.
CF tries to hard to break records instead of investing in long term with little issue... this is why CF has gone down hill, and six Flags is on the same track... them getting together was stupid, you think they cut costs now, wait... they preventative maintenance of the rides will go down hill fast as 6 flags will NOT Spend money until the coaster derails.
I'm not going to trash Zamperla because it's a prototype and CP obviously took a risk. These things are bound to happen in engineering.
However, what I will trash is the overall direction of this project in general.
Management has always trashed Intamin for their prototype hydraulic launch; saying that Dragster was the biggest mistake in the park's history. Just for them to go to a manufacturer that has a poor coaster portfolio with another prototype.
If reliability and almost perfect engineering is what they were looking for then let's be honest; B&M should have gotten the bid (even though that would have been odd. Lol). I'm just saying, this is what they get for blacklisting and cutting corners.
Completely agree why go with a company that hasn't built anything like that previously. Like the video says "You get what you pay for" .
They should have went with Intamin. They have a proven recent track record of high quality and very reliable rides. CP only chose zamperla because it was the cheapest option. Why else would you choose a manufacturer who has very little experience in coasters and never built a coaster over 150 feet? It makes sense the more you think about it
@@alecscheerer2329 I agree that they should have went with Intamin. Especially given how well they are doing now. The only reason I said b&m is because you can't deny that they are absolutely the most reliable coaster manufacturer. That's a fact, but yes. Intamin should have 100% been given a second chance on this project.
🫢 Gasping. Great points made!
Cedar Point got a deal with wild mouse tt2 and some flats for 2025. It's was their best financial option, I'll be it the cheapest
My wife and I had Magic Mountain passes in the mid-90s, when the Superman ride was built. We never did get to ride it because it took much longer to get it running than they had anticipated.
TT2 is doing something with the multiple launches that is still pretty new technology and has never been done on this scale before. I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how this plays out.
Oh, and that Wild Mouse is a hoot! It’s comparable to Steel Dragon at Waldameer, which makes it a great starter for younger kids, and had us older people in pain from laughing so hard.
Falcon's Flight needs to take note of these wheel issues.
After watching multiple POVs and seeing that massive side to side shaking, i was wondering how long the wheels would hold up! It doesn't look smooth at all!
Its.not
I could see TT2 open around Memorial Day weekend and I’m also concerned about CF not working with them again because that would make at least 3 companies they won’t work with 😔
I'm hoping that this is open when me and my parents go up there, were up there from June 25th to 27th and I hope Zamperla can get this issue fixed when I go up there
I have a scheduled field trip to here on the 20th. Of all times they had to close it now😭
I am hoping during this time they will try to figure out something with the lockers.
Bet intamin having a right old laugh at this
As they should
I seriously don't think it's the wheels. I'm pretty certain it's the yoke couplings between the trains.. the wheels are already way over engineered. Aluminum wheels are nothing new even in extreme conditions. Aluminum yokes assemblies, pins, and sleeve bearings are new. Also the silver train was down for a while Friday night before it shut down early.. and the zamperla techs were looking at this area of the train.
Once I saw it open I booked for next week as I figured it would take longer for problems to develop. I worried more about how the wheels would handle the heat during the summer but thought it would be running (even if it included some down time) through May. Hopefully at least everything else will be running well and crowds will be down due to this.
Best case it's not as bad as rumored and it somehow opens back up but that sounds pretty unlikely.
What’s with all the painters tape on the LSM’s?? I noticed it opening weekend. Monitoring rubbing from the trains was my guess. Anyone know for sure?
I rode for a preview day and the shake and shimmy on the train I was on was terrible. Cedar Fair had a not so good year the year before that. They hung on to Dragster as long as they could. It was either the ride breaks or injured someone and it injured someone. They have been cheaping out since 22. The wheels are aluminum I thought so not the best choice for such a high g ride
I forget my source, but I remember hearing the more you are working with metal at extremes of load, the more difficult seemingly simple problems become.
Especially with aluminum if I remeber correctly
It’s an especially hard metal to work with as it has to be cast. (Something to do with how quickly it dissipates heat). If there’s any flaw in the casting process you get cracks. (Sometime aluminium welder).
Very true.
Apparently a waterslide in Cedar Point Shores is being removed as we speak so I think Cedar Point's 2025 addition is a new waterpark addition.
What happen between cedar fairs and rmc? RMC gave cedar fairs one of the best if not best coaster in the world.
Update: Top Thrill 2 was seen testing yesterday, meaning Cedar Point could open the ride with the faulty part and just replace it when needed and find a permanent fix in the off-season.
Tony Clark said as far as next project “contract is already signed” so even if they would end up on do not work with list kinda to late if it’s them
My son and I were going to go up to ride it in early June... But, now I've cancelled those plans. I love Cedar Point, but it's an almost 9 hour drive for me. I'm not going back until it's open.
wow your close I am an 11 hour drive. But I can make it in 10 hours.
@@dolfanatic314 Closer than you maybe lol... But I'm not sure I'd call it close lol
The way those trains were shaking on the back and forward launch during media day …didn’t sit well with me.
They need a bumper at the top of the spike for just in case
Under extremely rare circumstances it is possible to overshoot the spike. It would take a disgruntled employee, but it could happen. Cedarpoint didn't want to shell out the 25 grand for it. You didn't hear it from me
Do you actually think there aren’t stop mechanisms on the spike?
I got one ride. Blue train. I knew ahead of time that silver was the worst train. When I got off I thought damn that was intense. Awesome ride but shaky AF. I can’t even imagine silver train
the trains track poorly, silver is the worst but they have too much side to side movement and a lot of that is probably due tot he material used to build the trains and assemblies.
Its really unfortunate, the ride its self is amazing! Hope they get it figured out soon...
I just checked Cedar Point live video cams and they have turned off the camera that was facing Top Thrill 2.
So many are acting like this is a “brand new” ride. More like half new attached to the original structure.
Standing in line at the magnum gate and just seen tt2 testing!
I don’t think going cheap was the best idea . Considering this is an extreme thrill ride and could end up being very dangerous if corners are being cut in the build . It’s coming back to haunt them now.
I would like to know how you know the exact price of TT2.. and what the other bids were..
Eerie vibes of the titanic submarine. Cutting every corner, using experimental material
@@jeremycovelli Exactly, it may have been Intamin's bid would have resulted in scrapping the whole thing. It could have been 10% higher or 10 times higher.
I predict it’ll be open by the Fourth of July
I’d bet a paycheck that it won’t. Having an in house machine shop, something like this isn’t a simple fix. The chassis alone probably has weeks on the mill
What does modification mean? Does this mean TT2 is looking at the train or the LMS system?
Pipe down. They went to a totally new car and a car that may be the future. You should expect some things that need worked out. The truth is it is good they are being pro active. The coaster company is going to work to fix this as a priority. The last company never sorted the hydraulic launch. The cars are the easy part to fix.
They should not charge for lockers. Hershey did it right with Wildcat Rev., and there was no holding up the queue. Pay for a larger locker elsewhere in the park.
Dude, they might design the ride, but that doesn’t mean that they’re building these wheel assemblies over in Italy. There’s literally thousands of machine shops in Northeast Ohio. Once they rework the design and material they’re going to subcontract it to one of those shops. I bet there’s a guy doing a set up right now shaking his head because the engineers over complicated design for reasons that don’t actually have to do with the flaw itself.
hope you are right :)
He's a classic youtube moron that knows nothing about business, finance, engineering, etc....but spouts off. He's never had a real professional job and is just trying to make money off RUclips saying anything that garners views.
I was imagining replacing the ride’s vertical spike with a twisted spike to pay tribute to Wicked Twister.
I wasn't planning a trip there this year, but I'm not sore; I don't think it will be closed for longer than about 5 weeks. But I could be wrong if it opens after that.
Sorry. But I felt it right from the beginning that going with Zamperla would be a mistake. I saw close up the quality of Zamperla products. They seem to be lacking.
This sucks for Coastermania. It's not going to be open in time. However, ERT night rides on Steel Vengeance and Maverick are enough to make me go anyway.
I understand the issue about money, HOWEVER, they should have gone with a reputable, long standing coaster company. Even if it would have been pricier to do so.
My son is going with his mother to Cedar Point mid-June, so for his sake, I hope it's open at that time. I really think it could be open by then. Hopefully it's not more serious than we know.
What was the reason that RMC is not on the Do Not Work list?
No one really knows but after the 3 that Cedar Fair opened in 2018 had issues, they never workled with them again.
I think people are blowing this way out of proportion. This is basically a new ride with new technology, prototype trains that have never been used before.
Just because Zamperla hasn’t done this before doesn’t mean it’s a concern at this time. For example car manufacturers that have been making cars for decades have recalls on cars all the time. When you have a ride with this much new technology and complexities, it will need time to work out the bugs.
Give Zamperla a break! Obviously they lived up to the challenge and developed an awesome ride. Let nature take its course and let’s see what happens.
What? I was unaware that Cedar Fair had fallen out with RMC.
Just a fix that needed to be made to adapt to unforeseen issues. Nothing more.
I know. all the negativity is disappointing. it happens , they will resolve it, move on with their lives !!
I wasn’t planning on riding it until there’s free lockers. I don’t think anyone should
Interesting, I hope Zamperla figured this out. We need more companies competing in the relm of ideas
Yes. Zamperla really is competing with Intamin with a prototype that doesn’t even work😂
Going there in early June. Fingers crossed it will be open. But who knows. 😢
I think most likely scenario is opening next season, but would not be surprised to see it happen at any point this year.
Also I’ve heard from people close to the project that Zamperla wasn’t the cheapest bid, but the one they liked the most for what it’s worth. Every bid was different.
Yeah B&M's bid was to tear it down and build a record breaking giga using teh same plot of land for the lift hill.
Question: Did/Does King Da Ka have the same issues as the original Top Thrill? I rarely hear news about King Da Ka one way or the other.
Ka has been running great as of late :) so that's good. Both have had issues.
Ka has its own list of problems. Some same as TTD but different list of issues.
Why, exactly, did people expect this to be more reliable? Top Thrill Dragster was a masterpiece of roller coaster engineering. It's reliability was comparable to that of Millennium Force and Maverick.
Said from the announcement of a billet aluminum chassis…. It will crack. It doesn’t have the flexibility that steel has
Sadly you're correct
@@LyndsieDances been working in metals from steam systems to cryogenic, I'm more than familiar with all types of metal properties. I didn't even want to ride this for a few years because of it
Yup
Maintenance has been an issue from my observations. Steel Vengeance was a fickle on my recent day at Cedar Point, but yet the park will spend money to have someone at most rides assigning you seats. I get it. The park gets high attendance, but maintenance and guest satisfaction should be higher priorities.
I want to eventually ride this, but I will probably want to wait till next year. Hopefully they will have all the kinks out by then.
I feel like top thill 2 is more of a maintenance nightmare than the original. Either Cedar Fair gets their crap together with Zamperla or put Zamperla on Cedar Fair's no work list for future coasters like intamin and Rmc
I don't like it. This could be the beginning of nothing but issues again for this coaster. I was impressed with TT2, but in the back of my mind, I had doubts about Zamperla.
I'm willing to bet that cedar point got such a good deal on dragster because their next big ride is from Zamperla.
Cedar Point needs to at least give a ballpark estimate on when they think this might reopen. They could say something like we hope to have this back in operation by end of July or something like that. Or say this won’t reopen until next season. A lot of people have booked hotels and bought advanced tickets just to come ride TT2. They at least owe that to the park guests instead of nothing but silence.
It’s not up to them. Its Zamperla.
I just made a comment on one of your videos like 2 months ago that it was going to be a Zamperla flat ride package..... :)
Great prediction chad :) Thanks fore sharing! CP would def benefit from this!
You get what you paid for. Shoulda went with Intamin. Would have gotten reliable trains and probably more fun elements before and/or after the top hat. Zero imagination with just a reverse spike. I got to ride twice during opening weekend and it was mediocre at best. All things considered being cheap skates appears to be blowing up right in CPs face.
So don't ride it ever... I better not see you in line.
@@jeremycovelli it’s still top 10 at CP but barely so I’ll still ride I just think it’s extremely overrated.
They gonna be out of manufactures to work with at this rate if they “cancel” zamperla going forward ultimately. I’m not sure what to think of this entirely because I was never excited over this projects reimagined concept to begin with. They have to keep in mind that they have been the leader for sometime in coaster thrills specifically but if they continue to cancel their working relationships with the heavy hitters of the coaster building industry then they will become a “remember when” kinda park overtaken by regional park ops like Busch/Seaworld and ultimately larger competitors with parks like Universal with their ever growing roster of thrill coasters made by many of the companies CF now refuses to work with.
In my opinion this does not bode well for them especially when considering their integration with six flags which also has moved away from coaster projects with these same manufacturers over recent years aside from RMC, B&M types
TT2 shook & rattled A LOT almost violently side-to-side. TTD was extremely smooth. It was tighter to the track. TT2 is higher above it with those oversized wagon wheels. I rode TTD hundreds of times (with a rollback from the top which was an extremely smooth free fall).
I'm planning on going in late June also. I hope it's working by then.
Exact reason why I booked my trip for 1st week in September.
It’s just all speculation. Nobody really knows why Cedar Point chose Zamperla for the project. Cost just cannot he the only reason.
I have a friend that went on opening day. That is part of a coaster group and she said that on her video. As she reviewed it when the coaster was doing a roll back afterwards, the tracks and the wheels were smoking. She explained to me that the way they made that coasters.That meant for robats , and when it happened to end up damaging the whells Or underneath the train.
That cancels my trip. Last time I went when the original Dragster was down the Steel Vengeance line was crazy long even with the fast lane. Top Thrill 2 has to be operating when I go there.
Possibly mine too..planned to celebrate my 50th at cp next year but gurnee six flags is looking like the spot I will go for a week.
They have something cp doesn't have... a b&M flying
I'm thinking late June to mid July. But August to next season is possible. It is a change that can be made without much fan fair. I think it will be okay we are just bored and making an exa out of a hyper.
Cedar point went to the dollar store to fix this ride lollll and they charge for lockers. They offer free lockers on one ride but not an other. The ride was closed for 2 years. They should have done this the right way.
Please pay him extra to change the name back
It’s brand new trains that have never been used on any ride, this is kind of expected
@@aleksthevoyager1260 change the band name
I was hoping to ride the week of coaster mania but I pushed it back to later in the year. I just hope they it figured out by early August before school starts back up. I have to wonder if it is related to unforeseen forces, if its from the downward spiral. I would suspect they accounted for the high speed and thoroughly tested for speeds in excess of 120mph. I have to wonder how well Falcons Flight will do for Intamin around their trains taking the high speed abuse. I am glad both companies are erroring on caution and keeping it closed till it is safe to reopen. An incident that might cause a minor problem on a normal ride could be catastrophic on something this large. It is likely going to take a while if they have to re-engineer a component, from design testing within the other components, manufacture, install, cycle test and certify. Its a random guess but I am going to say late July
How come cp doesn’t work with RMC what did I miss
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Yh It clearly shows that Zamperla had no experience with such rides.
But it really handled it very well and tbh I have respect for Zamperla to just go out of their comfort zone just like that.
They took a sip of the Intamin juice and went with it!
if mack did the refurb then we had a airtime hill in the launsche ????