This is a guide I never thought I would need but oh damn, I just spent the past 6 hours playing this game so here I am and thank you so much for this !
For cacti club, on any other character than the generalist you just ignore the ranged damage portion and use it to boost your lifesteal. Basically you can think of it as a swingable weapon with a lifesteal boost.
I agree, the spikes are cool for applying effects, not for their damage, so you don't need to build ranged damage. I do think that the combination of scaling only for 80% with melee and having a really slow attack speed makes it difficult to build though. You're basically trading damage for good crowd control.
I have a vendetta against the nuclear launcher because it’s really good, but my brother had a run with it and lost barely because he used the nuke launcher to carry instead of using strategy to win.
I literally just finished my Masochist run and its the PERFECT class for it, so much it feels like it was built with that class in mind. I think there's another one that also works well but I can't think of it rn
Nicely done, for future tier list videos consider ranking them against other entries within the same tier by putting them in left -> right order. So 1st entry in S-tier is better than the last entry in S-tier and so on. I'm trying to win a D5 run using 6x of the same weapon for every weapon, a self-imposed challenge I guess you could say. So a lot of times the question becomes "okay I'm going to pick X weapon because I need to win with it, so which character should I pick to give myself the best chance?" Perhaps an idea for a future video, or maybe it's too niche, idk.
I think that gets too granular, especially because a lot of these weapons have very different playstyles or not a lot of difference between them - I do mention a couple times when a weapon is notable within its own tier, but trying to place them exactly I think would be a lot of dead air in the recording :P Great video idea, and one I have planned is pretty similar!
It annoys me to no end when a person creating a tier list, also ranks them by tier. At that point, just make a ranking list and skip the tiers. The whole point of a tier list is to group similar-strength things together.
Thanks! Really enjoying your content. As Brotato explodes so too shall your market share :D. This wasn’t the video you asked about it but public transit sucks in NC too 😂
Want to say a word about the Pruner - one of my favorite weapons ended in the D tier. It gives you money, a ton of healing and it's scaling improves to standard as you upgrade it. It is a solid choice for many tough characters and gets the job done. I'd consider it a B tier
I've been doing a lot of random/random D5 runs lately and this is a great list, but there's a few points I disagree on. By far the biggest miss of this list is the screwdriver, which is the better engineering weapon. The land mines are very strong if you kite packs into them or just have a lot of them, and having engi scaling on the weapon attack is huge because it allows characters with reduced damage scaling (engineer and entrepreneur) to have a melee weapon that does good damage. The best engineering build is probably 4-5 screwdrivers with 1-2 wrenches, but 6 screwdrivers are a lot better than 6 wrenches. My vote for the best weapon in the game is the spear. It's basically a ranged weapon with infinite pierce and 1x melee dmg scaling. Slingshots are solid, but the best ranged build for me has been 3-4 SMGs + 2-3 shotguns (full SMG struggles with aoe without piercing or baby). Also, I would put hand in D personally because trying to play like pacifist as not pacifist has gone miserably for me. Even if you win you're fighting for your life the whole time, which is not what I would expect out of an A tier weapon. I mostly agree on everything else; I'd just move a few others up or down a tier but I don't think your placements are unreasonable. I know this video is old so sorry if these are things you've changed your opinion on since then 😅
What if you're presented with the choice of multiple gatlings or chain guns for example... I'm just wondering what are the top S tier builds for endless
Another list, and another job well done =) BUT: The minigun is just a better smg overall (faster attacks for lifesteal, integrated pierce), and totally fine at epic rarity. So it's S tier for me.
Thanks so much! Appreciate the kind words. :D Minigun I would definitely move up I think if I did this one again - I think I had forgotten it had native pierce when I made this list :P
I would be interested to see if you can make the best plank run possible. I was thinking GMO mod with Apprentice for flat scaling + Artificer for explode synergy?
That sounds right to me! Those are the two best classes for plank I think (other than the just very powerful classes that can use any weapon), so a combination would probably be really strong
Curious on your opinion with the new weapons? Heavy emphasis on buffing Elemental damage I think. Just cleared Danger 5 with Crazy after struggling for a while with an Icicle build. Weirdly, the extra range from the Crazy there was actually fairly useful with that weapon.
I really like Ethereal weapons, and the most success I've had with them is when I pivot off of them at some point. I find the game rewards you for doing this, too -- early on, we don't mind if we lose armor, and we can get that armor back late game when we replace most or all of our ethereal weapons. I haven't won very often on Danger 5, so we'll see how long I hold onto this valuation!
It's definitely very cool that you can swap off and keep the bonuses! The cost is that whatever you switch to will usually be lower level, since you won't have been able to roll for them easily in the early game. Of course, if it's a nuke launcher that doesn't matter!
Hey man this is a great video, agree with almost everything on the list but personally I dont like spiky shield all that much, there are a lot of items I wanna take that reduce my armour for other stats and (mainly) the really good armour items are pretty expensive I feel. but its definetly not bad by any means
Thanks so much! And yeah a lot of this will come down to playstyle, but I love the shields for their effect and they also save you money on buying damage
I think that's overall true, though that one flamethrower is *so* good that it's still very powerful (My most recent random weapon run with Plank Streamer really showcases the full power of the flamethrower). It's also worth mentioning that because flamethrower is so good with lifesteal it can still be good to have 2 even though the fire won't stack
Power fist - it dealt more dmg on level 20 then 3 of my orange regular fists, it is S in my opinion because it can carry your below average build Torch - is not that bad just because of attack pattern, it has pretty nice slash and can carry early game with play style of hit and run in big circles for Lightning Sword and Plasma hammer - you usually get in after wave 10 and it solves something that you struggle at that point with melee, aoe so it is almost always S Ghost Scepter - splashing it in early-mid game to any range build will give you crazy hp return even if only one of the 6 weapons and it will not cause issues with its tags, just treat it not as a weapon but as a +hp (it doesn't impact dmg much) Laser Pistol - another safety gun, it will do comparable dmg to something like SMG, But it will kill chargers efficiently, so also good as splash weapon, and vs elites Sniper Gun - oh boy, you should look at its interaction with pierce and how many projectiles it produces, with minimum range it will outdps All other weapons, in my book its place is near Nuclear launcher because you can pretty much sell all other weapons when you get it if you have a bit of range and some pierce. Try endless with it, it's hilarious, I replaced 6 slots with it once and it felt insane even after wave 40.
laser gun sucks imo , do the same runs with Revolvers and see what happens thing is SMG for example incredible fast attack speed = a lot more chance to Life steal or crit now with Lasers guns you attack so slow that youre missing on crits / life steal i really think there a lot more weapon that are better (smg or revolvers for exmaple) it works? it works. is it amazing ? i dont think so same woth Crossbow , do they work ? they do . are they amazing weapons? they are not (imo)
@@kughdommed4582 actually I did a hybrid revolver/laser gun, it had the same dmg before getting pierce. The trick is to not pick a crappy pierce item because it nerfs laser gun too much. But overall I agree that the gun is suboptimal, esp as a mono gun build. I tried so hard to make crossbows work on range character, but they suck so much..
@@laQwoter Yeah that's why in general a good tip is to either go piercing guns together (laser , pistols+) and non piercing separate (smg , revolvers+) that way you dont nerf lasers with pierce since they already pierce I did a crossbow run the other day on Ranger , and took me like 4-5 tried to pull it off , I think you need a lot of crossbows to make it work , like if youre wave 9 with only 4 crossbows a, its pretty much over and they really need crit
I personally disagree with how low you rate Range as a stat. One of my primary rules in playing is to always be killing, and with extended Range you can do this much more reliably as you stay centered. The build I made to get the +300 Range achievement was SMGs with that range, and from waves 14-19 I literally only had to move to tap trees and dodge Elite charges (on 20 I had to move more due to boss attack patterns). It will never be primary, but on any Ranged build I’m always happy to have 100-ish bonus to it.
Since enemies move towards you I find it's very rare to be not shooting, but range definitely isn't bad! I just think it's more useful to prioritize other stats, especially since you will usually want to be moving to collect mats and kill trees anyways.
Every time i build eshiv and decide to take thundersword, it performs waay worse than the fisrt one, i think you haven't played with eshiv enough, to me it is at least a tier, i don't remember myself losing with it
My answer to like a quarter of these is "this is all true but have you considered that it's cool as hell 🤔 " The nice thing about being too bad at the game for danger 5 is that, when I lose, it's because I took avoidable damage, not because I decided to go all in on screwdriver on my alchemist run.
Sure! Never avoid something you think would be fun because a guy on the internet said it wasn't mechanically optimal. At the end of the day it's a game :D
Disagreed about the Crossbow. It’s just not worth to upgrade ranged damage on it, just go with pure range, crit and attack speed, and boom, no one can even get close to you. Maybe I’m biased, but after seeing how it makes Hunter easy win I easily put it in A or S tier, it also works with Soldier nicely. Just forget about ranged damage, upgrade range, damage%, crit and attack speed. That’s all you need to make it perfect.
Crossbow is very good for Hunter for sure (it's what I use in my Hunter guide). Definitely better to scale with range than with damage. I think most other classes have better options though
Great video but theres absolutely no reason to use the first few minutes explaining how a tier list works❤️ we are completely aware how tier lists work you are not the first person to do this ✨
Everyone explains it for the same reason reviews explain how their rating systems work and are intended to mean. I’ve seen some tier lists that are more “what I like” or what is for endless, etc.
what a bad tier list, really. SMG is in S-tier but minigun in B-tier... Laser gun in C-tier... Stun gun in C-tier... Flamethrower in S-tier... I mean most of weapons are placed in right tiers but too many are in wrong ones...
What a bad comment, really. You have a serious bias towards your own experience... You contradict yourself at the end... But overall I guess you are just an average RUclips commenter.
@@cameronsmith9099 yeah, it' like creating a car and placing 40% of things in wrong places. Maybe 60% is in "right place" but still it's garbage car... Be creative man, use your imagination... really
This is a guide I never thought I would need but oh damn, I just spent the past 6 hours playing this game so here I am and thank you so much for this !
For cacti club, on any other character than the generalist you just ignore the ranged damage portion and use it to boost your lifesteal. Basically you can think of it as a swingable weapon with a lifesteal boost.
Cacti club also has synergy with the ugly tooth and scary sausage.
I agree, the spikes are cool for applying effects, not for their damage, so you don't need to build ranged damage.
I do think that the combination of scaling only for 80% with melee and having a really slow attack speed makes it difficult to build though. You're basically trading damage for good crowd control.
Fantastic video, great objective analysis of the weapons, and explanation of use and edge cases. Well done!
Thanks so much! :D
I have a vendetta against the nuclear launcher because it’s really good, but my brother had a run with it and lost barely because he used the nuke launcher to carry instead of using strategy to win.
Think worth noting on the scythe that it has secret lifesteal built in like the medical weapons, which helps mitigate the damage ticks
True! I should have mentioned that for sure, though I don't think it changes the rating
I literally just finished my Masochist run and its the PERFECT class for it, so much it feels like it was built with that class in mind. I think there's another one that also works well but I can't think of it rn
I watched this solely for confirmation that the potato thrower is dog. You didn't disappoint. 😂
Nicely done, for future tier list videos consider ranking them against other entries within the same tier by putting them in left -> right order. So 1st entry in S-tier is better than the last entry in S-tier and so on.
I'm trying to win a D5 run using 6x of the same weapon for every weapon, a self-imposed challenge I guess you could say. So a lot of times the question becomes "okay I'm going to pick X weapon because I need to win with it, so which character should I pick to give myself the best chance?" Perhaps an idea for a future video, or maybe it's too niche, idk.
I think that gets too granular, especially because a lot of these weapons have very different playstyles or not a lot of difference between them - I do mention a couple times when a weapon is notable within its own tier, but trying to place them exactly I think would be a lot of dead air in the recording :P
Great video idea, and one I have planned is pretty similar!
It annoys me to no end when a person creating a tier list, also ranks them by tier. At that point, just make a ranking list and skip the tiers.
The whole point of a tier list is to group similar-strength things together.
That cacti club ranking is crazy! I cant even count how many times this weapon carried my but trough danger 5
Thanks for doing this video!
You're welcome! :D
Thanks! Really enjoying your content. As Brotato explodes so too shall your market share :D. This wasn’t the video you asked about it but public transit sucks in NC too 😂
Great video, I just started playing and this really helped me.
I needed this!
Awesome, glad it helped!
Great video, just considering apprentice i would have put Cactus in C tier. He is carrying fully with only this weapon.
Omg i watched non stop 55 min video, well done
Thanks so much, glad you enjoyed it!
Want to say a word about the Pruner - one of my favorite weapons ended in the D tier. It gives you money, a ton of healing and it's scaling improves to standard as you upgrade it. It is a solid choice for many tough characters and gets the job done. I'd consider it a B tier
pruner makes farmer one of the easiest characters
I've been doing a lot of random/random D5 runs lately and this is a great list, but there's a few points I disagree on.
By far the biggest miss of this list is the screwdriver, which is the better engineering weapon. The land mines are very strong if you kite packs into them or just have a lot of them, and having engi scaling on the weapon attack is huge because it allows characters with reduced damage scaling (engineer and entrepreneur) to have a melee weapon that does good damage. The best engineering build is probably 4-5 screwdrivers with 1-2 wrenches, but 6 screwdrivers are a lot better than 6 wrenches.
My vote for the best weapon in the game is the spear. It's basically a ranged weapon with infinite pierce and 1x melee dmg scaling. Slingshots are solid, but the best ranged build for me has been 3-4 SMGs + 2-3 shotguns (full SMG struggles with aoe without piercing or baby). Also, I would put hand in D personally because trying to play like pacifist as not pacifist has gone miserably for me. Even if you win you're fighting for your life the whole time, which is not what I would expect out of an A tier weapon. I mostly agree on everything else; I'd just move a few others up or down a tier but I don't think your placements are unreasonable.
I know this video is old so sorry if these are things you've changed your opinion on since then 😅
What if you're presented with the choice of multiple gatlings or chain guns for example... I'm just wondering what are the top S tier builds for endless
Another list, and another job well done =)
BUT: The minigun is just a better smg overall (faster attacks for lifesteal, integrated pierce), and totally fine at epic rarity. So it's S tier for me.
Thanks so much! Appreciate the kind words. :D
Minigun I would definitely move up I think if I did this one again - I think I had forgotten it had native pierce when I made this list :P
thank you for the guide!
You're welcome! :D
I would be interested to see if you can make the best plank run possible.
I was thinking GMO mod with Apprentice for flat scaling + Artificer for explode synergy?
That sounds right to me! Those are the two best classes for plank I think (other than the just very powerful classes that can use any weapon), so a combination would probably be really strong
Curious on your opinion with the new weapons? Heavy emphasis on buffing Elemental damage I think. Just cleared Danger 5 with Crazy after struggling for a while with an Icicle build. Weirdly, the extra range from the Crazy there was actually fairly useful with that weapon.
I really like Ethereal weapons, and the most success I've had with them is when I pivot off of them at some point. I find the game rewards you for doing this, too -- early on, we don't mind if we lose armor, and we can get that armor back late game when we replace most or all of our ethereal weapons.
I haven't won very often on Danger 5, so we'll see how long I hold onto this valuation!
It's definitely very cool that you can swap off and keep the bonuses! The cost is that whatever you switch to will usually be lower level, since you won't have been able to roll for them easily in the early game. Of course, if it's a nuke launcher that doesn't matter!
Hey man this is a great video, agree with almost everything on the list but personally I dont like spiky shield all that much, there are a lot of items I wanna take that reduce my armour for other stats and (mainly) the really good armour items are pretty expensive I feel. but its definetly not bad by any means
Thanks so much! And yeah a lot of this will come down to playstyle, but I love the shields for their effect and they also save you money on buying damage
Good video, it seems as elemental weapons seem to be the weakest of the groups, since I the only S tier is flamethrower and you only want 1 of those.
I think that's overall true, though that one flamethrower is *so* good that it's still very powerful (My most recent random weapon run with Plank Streamer really showcases the full power of the flamethrower). It's also worth mentioning that because flamethrower is so good with lifesteal it can still be good to have 2 even though the fire won't stack
Power fist - it dealt more dmg on level 20 then 3 of my orange regular fists, it is S in my opinion because it can carry your below average build
Torch - is not that bad just because of attack pattern, it has pretty nice slash and can carry early game with play style of hit and run in big circles
for Lightning Sword and Plasma hammer - you usually get in after wave 10 and it solves something that you struggle at that point with melee, aoe so it is almost always S
Ghost Scepter - splashing it in early-mid game to any range build will give you crazy hp return even if only one of the 6 weapons and it will not cause issues with its tags, just treat it not as a weapon but as a +hp (it doesn't impact dmg much)
Laser Pistol - another safety gun, it will do comparable dmg to something like SMG, But it will kill chargers efficiently, so also good as splash weapon, and vs elites
Sniper Gun - oh boy, you should look at its interaction with pierce and how many projectiles it produces, with minimum range it will outdps All other weapons, in my book its place is near Nuclear launcher because you can pretty much sell all other weapons when you get it if you have a bit of range and some pierce. Try endless with it, it's hilarious, I replaced 6 slots with it once and it felt insane even after wave 40.
laser gun sucks imo , do the same runs with Revolvers and see what happens
thing is SMG for example incredible fast attack speed = a lot more chance to Life steal or crit
now with Lasers guns you attack so slow that youre missing on crits / life steal
i really think there a lot more weapon that are better (smg or revolvers for exmaple)
it works? it works. is it amazing ? i dont think so
same woth Crossbow , do they work ? they do . are they amazing weapons? they are not (imo)
@@kughdommed4582 actually I did a hybrid revolver/laser gun, it had the same dmg before getting pierce. The trick is to not pick a crappy pierce item because it nerfs laser gun too much. But overall I agree that the gun is suboptimal, esp as a mono gun build.
I tried so hard to make crossbows work on range character, but they suck so much..
@@laQwoter Yeah that's why in general a good tip is to either go piercing guns together (laser , pistols+) and non piercing separate (smg , revolvers+) that way you dont nerf lasers with pierce since they already pierce
I did a crossbow run the other day on Ranger , and took me like 4-5 tried to pull it off , I think you need a lot of crossbows to make it work , like if youre wave 9 with only 4 crossbows a, its pretty much over and they really need crit
I love this discussion, and also the tip of using ghost scepter to splash in a single one for more hp is great
What is the chain gun and how do you get it?
hahah maybe thats why I struggle, i love the weapons in D tier always picked them
I personally disagree with how low you rate Range as a stat. One of my primary rules in playing is to always be killing, and with extended Range you can do this much more reliably as you stay centered. The build I made to get the +300 Range achievement was SMGs with that range, and from waves 14-19 I literally only had to move to tap trees and dodge Elite charges (on 20 I had to move more due to boss attack patterns). It will never be primary, but on any Ranged build I’m always happy to have 100-ish bonus to it.
Since enemies move towards you I find it's very rare to be not shooting, but range definitely isn't bad! I just think it's more useful to prioritize other stats, especially since you will usually want to be moving to collect mats and kill trees anyways.
Every time i build eshiv and decide to take thundersword, it performs waay worse than the fisrt one, i think you haven't played with eshiv enough, to me it is at least a tier, i don't remember myself losing with it
My answer to like a quarter of these is "this is all true but have you considered that it's cool as hell 🤔 "
The nice thing about being too bad at the game for danger 5 is that, when I lose, it's because I took avoidable damage, not because I decided to go all in on screwdriver on my alchemist run.
Sure! Never avoid something you think would be fun because a guy on the internet said it wasn't mechanically optimal. At the end of the day it's a game :D
So the Pruner is D because it's weak...but the even weaker Hand is in A? Why is the Hand in A?
Hand gives you a lot of harvesting and has high knockback, so you don't need to actually kill enemies to survive/get money with it.
Disagreed about the Crossbow. It’s just not worth to upgrade ranged damage on it, just go with pure range, crit and attack speed, and boom, no one can even get close to you. Maybe I’m biased, but after seeing how it makes Hunter easy win I easily put it in A or S tier, it also works with Soldier nicely. Just forget about ranged damage, upgrade range, damage%, crit and attack speed. That’s all you need to make it perfect.
Crossbow is very good for Hunter for sure (it's what I use in my Hunter guide). Definitely better to scale with range than with damage. I think most other classes have better options though
Cacti club D tier? 4 extra hits to proc health steal off with the wildling seems like no brainer.
Make the weapon you are discussing’s icon larger when you are discussing it. Do it. Just. Do it.
Stick is S Tier. It builds off itself, which is fun.
Yep!
Oh! Here I thought you were off on bigger games!
Good
SMG YEA IS VERY GOOD IF YOU GET 6 OF THEM AND MAX LVL IS OPPPP
Shuriken is S tier for me.
Ghost scepter gives you hp. That's fun. It should be B. Also Minigun deserves to be in A tier smh.
Mini gun is trash cost too much and does less damage than a smg
Crazy how much the game has changed since this video came out. It’s SSOOO outdated now
How so?
Great video but theres absolutely no reason to use the first few minutes explaining how a tier list works❤️ we are completely aware how tier lists work you are not the first person to do this ✨
Chill
Everyone explains it for the same reason reviews explain how their rating systems work and are intended to mean. I’ve seen some tier lists that are more “what I like” or what is for endless, etc.
what a bad tier list, really. SMG is in S-tier but minigun in B-tier... Laser gun in C-tier... Stun gun in C-tier... Flamethrower in S-tier... I mean most of weapons are placed in right tiers but too many are in wrong ones...
Thanks for your well-reasoned and useful feedback!
What a bad comment, really. You have a serious bias towards your own experience... You contradict yourself at the end... But overall I guess you are just an average RUclips commenter.
@@cameronsmith9099 how am I contradicting myself? If 40% of the list is garbage then the whole list a garbage but still most things placed right
@@FrendzeL222 Wow. A majority of the list is in the "right place"...yet somehow the whole list is garbage. You have an interesting opinion.
@@cameronsmith9099 yeah, it' like creating a car and placing 40% of things in wrong places. Maybe 60% is in "right place" but still it's garbage car... Be creative man, use your imagination... really