I see a lot of comments here asking if you can just connect the 2 controllers into 1 dashboard and I can say.. yes you can. BUT -You will not be able to see the right data on your dashboard (speed, battery level) -Power button functions (turn lights on & off & changing driving modes) may not work correctly -You cannot program the controllers together via bluetooth (unless you unplug one of them from the circuit and program the other & repeat with the other controller) -IT IS A LOT MORE DANGEROUS AS YOU HAVE MORE CHANCE OF BRICKING ONE (or both) CONTROLLERS WHILE CONNECTING THE PARALLEL CABLES (I bricked 2 original Xiaomi controllers myself) I strongly suggest you to spend a little more money & time and get a second dashboard for your second controller.
My m365 goes 25mph did shunt mod on controller which is adding solder and copper rods to the traces. Upgraded motor to 350w and 2 batteries scooter is now fast
This is insane :) i was waiting for this kind of wideo for a long time. Now i can start my 2wd project thanks to you. BIG THANKS MAN. Keep the good work :)
Hey man, super nice you like it :) good luck with your project. I think there is a lot of fine-tuning left to do. So don’t be shy and come back here to share your findings :) thanks!
Great video and great step by step installation, something I've been looking for, for some time, your scooter has come along way, looking forward to see your next upgrades you install
@@VRMinde excellent stuff looking forward to seeing further updates, I've done quite a lot to my M365, recently added a 48v 13s4p 20ah external battery through the monorim 500w motor through the rita adapter, I have to say amazing results
@@VRMinde yes I did, I have the V3.0 controller which is already reinforced in terms of the traces at the back and the MOSFETs are pretty powerful in terms of voltage, I also added more thermal paste as there was barely any standard, I put a thermal pad underneath the MOSFETs and also added a cooling fan on top of the controller for better ventilation and have to say does keep the temperature down far better than before I done the work
You should connect together power button or just takeout secondary button and wire it with first controller so you can power on and off together with one push.
@@Mopar_logic me too man :) but I have another channel + full time job + other hobbies :) And honestly it is hard these days to receive things like spare parts, etc., so all projects take much longer than I would love them to
@@VRMindeI totally understand, making videos is full time job and then some. What's your other channel?? I will definitely subscribe and like your videos. I had a plan to start a channel about alibaba scooters and I was going to order a yume y11 plus but yesterday I was pulled over by the police ridding my mercane widewheel and I got almost got a 300 pounds fine, 6 points on my license and he wanted to confiscate my scooter. I don't know how but I persuaded him to let me go but next time I will get done. I hate living in UK, it feels like a 3rd world country.
@@Mopar_logic uffff man that dors not sound like a great experience. The laws for escooters are awful in UK! My other channel is on inline skating m.ruclips.net/channel/UCO-T2x_6rCdAYpSivzFwWqA You can start a channel any time! Despite how successfull it is - you will learn a lot on the way :)
2 250 watt motors? Just opt out for a 1000w esc controller youll have more battery space and if the dashboard doesnt work just opt out and buy and cheap dashboard
👋🏻Hi friend new to your channel thank you so much for this video I was waiting for this type of video for a long time. As for my project that I want to do this with my Ninebot Max G30. I would like that this would be with a max g30 video but this would give me some ideas thank you so much keep up the good work.👍🏻
Would like to see how the Xiaomi goes with Monorim 500w motor? Apparently even on the stock firmware it will supposedly hit 40 KPH. Some claim up to 50 KPH with a bigger battery.
Thank you very much for the video. I do E-scooter repair as my side hustle and i have one working ninebot motor and ESC from customers. I was thunking id i could use those to converst my Xiaomi Pro 2 to 2WD. The connectors are exacl´tly the same, but i still need to test what happens when i connect xiaomi dashboard to ninebot ESC.
I can think of 2 reasons: 1. the ECU is reading actual motor position with hall sensors and ignoring that will not ensure the smoothest operation of the motor. 2. you will double the load on the controller which is already the weakest link in the chain
If it runs without load and does not work with the load there must be something wrong with hall sensor layout. Some wires might be the same color, but not the same layout in the motor. That is my only assumption 🙄
hey, Big thank for this video, is very usefull for me bcs i actually have two m365 pro2 in my house and was thinking about to made one with dual motor. So thank again for your video. So for my project, i will try to made the dual motor with 1 batterie for each motor. to avoid the range limit. and anyway, i just have 2 batterie so just let made that !! :) I just have one question about this setup, went i made my test everything was fine but, to turn on both controller i have to clic the power bouton in each dashboard, do you have any tips to link the power bouton of the stuck dashboard with the second dashboard to turn on together ?
Hi mate, oh, it worked for me with one button on one dashboard. Button is just a connector between wires, so there must be a way to duplicate it :) as it has been now what? 2 years ago I did the project? I can’t remember the details anymore…
Nice upgrades. I think it would be good to have 2 disk brakes (with break levers on each bar) and maybe turn down the regen braking a bit on the front motor. Do you think it's worth putting honeycomb tyres on both wheels as the air shock absorbers are taking out the bumbs now?
I mean if you want the scoot to last - there is definitely a need to reinforce controllers, install higher amp battery, probably then you don’t need to reduce the regen braking 🙄 if there were 2 disk brakes - would be a perfect setup. Just the price of m365 is getting ridiculous :) I do not like the honeycomb tires because of how they perform on corners. I don’t trust them :) and these cheap 10” ones with some “slime” sealant run without any punctures for me month after month. I am to stay on air tires, I believe 🙄
i have full rubber tires with holes. i had them for so long they are starting to wear down, which means ill need to replace them and that may involve cutting them off. they are super rough but the front suspension I got from monorim helps reduce the vibrations. sometimes i worry some bumps might be a little too rough from the front motor but it seems fine, regardless, id say if you where you put in the money to have a smoother ride by buying front suspension then air tires might be better if you want a smooth ride and your streets are relatively clean from glass and nail. even my full rubber wheels had a nail stuck in it. full rubber tires will also wear down you battery faster and reduce your speed. i have even read that it can reduce the life span of you from motor.
@@illidari12211 Well said. 👍 The more the tyre weights the harder the motor has to work. I'll probably buy another motor with the air tyre already attached.
Geras video, ačiū kad daliniesi patirtimi. Pas mane galvoje sukasi kiek kitoks variantas dėl 2WD. Galvoju nupirkti antrą Pro2 ir apjungti motorus, baterijas su visa elektronika viename, bendri būtų tik gazas ir stabdžiai. Reiktų tik išpręsti baterijos pakabinimo po esama problemą. Ką apie tai manai?
Tai as is principo taip ir padariau - isardziau viena m365 ir susidejau is 2 i viena :) Tik, kad brangus toks uzsiemimas. Pigiau susipirkti dalis atskirai, nei visa skuteri. Jei jau pirkti du pro2 - gal pigiau (ir tukstanti kartu patogiau + geriau) nupirkti galingesni skuteri su pakaba, galingais motorais ir t.t.? Baterija taip pat teks greiciausiai isardyti, ir tada velgi - labiau verta pirkti skuterin jau pagaminta tam :)
What bms did you use on your external battery? I tired to make a 10s 6p battery with a different bms and the scooter just would not accept my homemade battery. Then i had the idea to just solder the M365 BMS onto my new battery. Every balance lead had the correct amount of voltage but the scooter still would not turn on... So I which BMS you use
Man I have one question for you. Did you try to split signal from one display (m365 pro) to two controlers? I mean to use splitter like in power cable from batery to controlers. Then you will have less electronics and you can off your scooter like normal stock m365 pro but its only my idea i didn't tested it yet but i think if it can work it will be the way better than a 2nd display
@@VRMinde ok i made that cable in service and it works as it’s mentioned above. Now I want to make such cable for two ninebot controllers because I’m converting M365 to awd Max
I had the same issue mate. I think there is a need of power cut-off button for both dashboards lr they power each other. I was either unplugging the bartery pack (as it was external) or setting auto-shutdown timer for both dashes
First thanks for your video, I'm already involved in the project, in my case I will use two brake levers, one for the front and one for the rear, so I won't have to connect the two screens with the brake cable, but there is one thing that I do not see clear, so that the accelerator acts on the two screens, How do i connect the cables?
09:05 blue and green cables, one is accelerator signal another one is brake signal, can’t remember which one is which, but you can see in the handlebars by where are they going left or right :)
When I go around 40 miles, I don't believe such a small steering wheel, I mean, the steering wheel can jump out of your hands in any Hall, or a bump, it can happen even if you go to fast on a turn... I think, this problem should be solved firstly, when you star to increase your speed.
Kind of.. i had quite a few situations when I actually lost the handlebars from my hands but kept going. The scooter wants to go and stand straight, even when you don’t hold the bars.
@@motivboost001 I agree that you need wider bars, but just not as priority no 1. I think better brakes is priority 1 if you compare to stock scooter :)
ECU controlls the motors depending on their hall sensor positions, so one ECU cannot controll two motors. You could in theory just connect phase wires in parallel, but Your controller will also get double load and burn super fast
Hi, check info in the bottom of the description under the vid. Alternatively you can get a kit from Monorim m365 front disc brake mount kit or from monorim motor cover kit as well :)
@@brandedwarrior5907 if some day they would send me one for a review - I would do it. Otherwise I have like 6 basic scoots now :) don’t have money for one more
I think it can be mate. I was just using someone’s recipe that works. Actually one guy said in the comments he used only one dashboard for both controllers with double cabling. Maybe worth trying?
Do u know where I can buy a upgraded controller for the Old m365 pro that can handle 48v batteries. I hear a lot of people say the stock one will burn out
It might survive if you turn off any regen braking and don’t go full throttle for too long (need to monitor the temps a bit). I don’t know where to buy one mate. It would be best to get the v3 controller from the pro 2. They used to sell for around 100 eur though 🙄
@@VRMinde me I have m365 pro 2 which application i use for pro 2 version to program And when I put the dual controller no space for the orignal battery And keep making these videos good luck
@@mrzoro6121 I assume you can use the xiaogen as well (forgot to add the link, fixing now), but I am not sure 100% mate. And yep, you need to find a new location either for the controller or for the battery 🙄 that’s a tricky one!
@@VRMinde He left some links. Not sure what he used. Slick setup, one controller for both motors. I'm thinking of making one also. I like the suspension you used.
Do you have a 250w motor on the rear also? I have a 250w in front...do you think it is possible to combine with a pro2 350w motor in rear ... will it be better or worse?
I have both standard 250w Of course you can put 350w in rear if you want to, they are the same dimensions. I have now 500w, will first try it solo and then might move to the rear with 250w in front :)
Would it be use full to make two potis on the brake and accelerator lever to adjust the balance between the motors? I was planning to Do the same but i stopped on a rwd version because a single tyre has enough grip i rather try to increase the output. Did you found a way to extend the battery case? I found a stl for printing spacers to increase the height. Do you have a idea how to reinforce the steeringstem? I heard of people having Issues after increasing the output of the Motor by overvolting. The brute force of the acceleration Seems to make the stem wobbly
I have the 500w motor but still have not tried it with a decent size and voltage pack. RWD makes sense if you go with aftermarket controller and battery. I have a large printer and developed a prototype one-piece extension, I just don’t have enough time to work on all these improvements :) I do not think you need to controll the motors separatelly 🙄
Oh and I have never had any issues with stem and locking mechanism on my m365. There is no way enough force to bend the stem from the accel mate :) you need like 2kw or so, and even then you should have decent feet position to handle the forces and not pull the handlebars. The handlebar AT ALL TIMES needs to be not overstressed so you can continue controlling your scooter (accell and brakes)
Okay thanks for the info. I yet have only a shunt to increase amps but overvolting is something i want to try out but people telling me that the stem could cause Issues made me stop any planning on that regard. I have the german knockoff of the m365 and in my Community people said that the Controller gets Fried on 12s. So i have no choice than getting a proper controller. The acceleration and brake balance was just a idea i probably never get the Chance to try out i was just suggesting it if it interests you to change some variables to see how it effects the scooter but it is definently not a needed Feature at all. Im looking forward to see progress on your build buddy!
@@johnathankrausrig9237 the stock m365 controllers also get fried if you push them just a bit more than you should :D I will now just try two stock motors and controllers on this build with less power. The hope is for a great acceleration, not pushing the top speeds much above the legal limits. And I will probably try the 500w motor on another build with a decent controller with the field weakening and big 14s pack 🙄
hi, i would like to run a 2wd using two 350 watt / 36 volt motors (they are clones and not original xiaomi) and using two separate (clone) v3.0 boards reinforced with 100v 1000uf capacitors and IFRB4110 mosfets. In your opinion, how much could I squeeze the motors in terms of nominal Watts and peak Watts, in order to have a fair compromise and not overheat them too much and not limit their life? I am only interested in having power to climb hills more easily, I absolutely don't care about speed. Furthermore, once the wattage of the single motor has been established (for example 750 watts peak), should I have a 36 volt (20A) or 48 volt (15A) battery pack? I don't know if the motors can work at 48 volts. thank you
Hi, It depends, from air temperature, duration of the max watts etc. I have used 12s battery pack for years and used 14s pack for a while, no problems with the motor. If you can get the power from higher voltage rather than from higher current - do that. It will help with motor heating on those max watts. But if you replace ecus, motors, battery, would it not be cheaper to get a 2wd scooter with 2 motors, bigger pack, better brakes, suspension and etc. for a very similar price? :)
@@VRMinde I understand, to use 12s or even 14s how many Amps do you normally send out of the control unit? For example if it throws out 30A at 48 volts, the motor will nominally draw around 1500 watts. Are the Pro2 series motors (350 watts) capable of resisting? Furthermore, it would take a suitable battery pack capable of throwing out at least 30A and with adequate and not limited BMS 15A but at least 30A if not higher.
09:15 the red wire connects the dashboards together. In my case it won’t turn off with a button as the panels power each other up. I set the timer to something like 30sec of inactivity and both dashboards turn off. Probably the right way to do it would be to make a separate external cutoff switch/button for both dashboards 🙄
They are in the way “wired together” mate, meaning they share throttle and brake signal wires as well as power wire. Overall I was not doing anything with scooters/projects recently as I was busy with other stuff…
Monorim 500w motor is slower than pro stock motor and a little bit more torque but i think it's too late to say u this, the fastest motor for m365 are actually the 350w m365 motor from aliexpress but less torque than pro motor...
That is fine mate, I am literally doing these upgrades more out of a curiosity than a specific need, so it does not matter that much :) but good to know, thanks!
Controllers are working / loading the motor according to the motor position that they “know” through halo sensors. If you splice cables together they won’t work. Same between dashboard and controller - ELC sends/reads data from dashboard
@@jayv2407 I did not specifically try it on hills (as there are not that many of them here) but I bet it is a massive improvement! Hard to tell when mate. I am now filming another scooter. Then I have 500w motor and want to play with it and I also have front disc brake set and new motor cover that I want to make a video about. There is so much going on :)
If you use stock battery and two motors - the biggest difference you will notice is acceleration, max speed just a bit. I like riding 2wd scoots, feels completely different! And if you go with aftermarket battery packs with higher voltage - the max speed is also increasing nicely.
@@mistermagnifico i have a disc brake in front mate. It works really well. On top of that regen braking is helping a lot. You can actually install even double disc brake, but the front one is enough
@@VRMinde Bro that is crazy imagine all that acceleration power and boom front brake! From the experience of pulling the front brake on a bicycle downhill you can understand why I am cautious
@@mistermagnifico if you ride any two wheeled vehicles, bikes, motorcycles, etc, you should already know that front brake will do 80% of the job because of the weight distribution when braking. We have a saying “if you are afraid of the wolf - do not go to the forest”. Meaning, don’t ride faster than you are comfortable :) ride safe mate!
Hi mate, I can see I missed a lot of comments on YT, one of them was yours. Both motors are hooked up on stock esc's. You can come up with a switch to turn one off.
You sure can, but you then have to figure out the brakes. I have received motor cover with a disc brake yesterday. These come with the spacers to mount the wheel in the rear. and the front brake caliper mount kit for monorim should arrive as well soon (I hope?). I will make a vid. It’s not a cheap upgrade though.
@@UKMrMedical I got it from the guy that makes these KONYK suspensions - info in the description below the video mate. But you can also get it from Monorim. At least I got one more kit with their RWD kit: www.monorim.store/product-detail/Monorim-MD-RF-specially-for-refit_pid-d0539421365a4265adcf24c29b959379.html
I have no idea abou that exact scooter mate, but you can custom make anything, it is just a lot of trial and error (and costs). Another way is to buy a ready-made scooter, normally it gets faster, cheaper and better :D
With regenerative motor braking for this test. I know it is not reliable. I have purchased a new motor cover with a disc brake as well as the monorim front brake kit. Just need time for all the installations :)
You can use any controller for your second motor. I assume that pro2 comes with the "v3" controller that is made a bit stronger, but in essence should work with the same firmware. But don't quote me on this - I am just estimating. Do not know it for a fact. And read through comments here before you flash firmware on your pro2 controller: ruclips.net/video/sEb8cD18QzA/видео.html
@@VRMinde where I can find second v3 controller i can't find orignal one did I can use copy one? I will upgrade it to 14s did will work the same orignal controller
@@mrzoro6121 i don’t know where to find another v3 mate, never looked for it. And any controller will work as long as you can disable the bms data on it, meaning if you can flash the xiaogen firmware
I completely agree, but in my case it is not the point to make it practical or cost effective. I do not even care about how fast it goes. It is more fun to build and problem-solve around than to drive it mate :)
I see a lot of comments here asking if you can just connect the 2 controllers into 1 dashboard and I can say.. yes you can.
BUT
-You will not be able to see the right data on your dashboard (speed, battery level)
-Power button functions (turn lights on & off & changing driving modes) may not work correctly
-You cannot program the controllers together via bluetooth (unless you unplug one of them from the circuit and program the other & repeat with the other controller)
-IT IS A LOT MORE DANGEROUS AS YOU HAVE MORE CHANCE OF BRICKING ONE (or both) CONTROLLERS WHILE CONNECTING THE PARALLEL CABLES (I bricked 2 original Xiaomi controllers myself)
I strongly suggest you to spend a little more money & time and get a second dashboard for your second controller.
I will pin the comment at the top :)
My m365 goes 25mph did shunt mod on controller which is adding solder and copper rods to the traces. Upgraded motor to 350w and 2 batteries scooter is now fast
Bro this is the video that I have been looking for!!! Thank you
That’s music to my ears mate :) thanks
This is insane :) i was waiting for this kind of wideo for a long time. Now i can start my 2wd project thanks to you. BIG THANKS MAN. Keep the good work :)
Hey man, super nice you like it :) good luck with your project. I think there is a lot of fine-tuning left to do. So don’t be shy and come back here to share your findings :) thanks!
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Great video and great step by step installation, something I've been looking for, for some time, your scooter has come along way, looking forward to see your next upgrades you install
Hey bro, thanks! I still have some upgrade ideas in the pipeline :)
@@VRMinde excellent stuff looking forward to seeing further updates, I've done quite a lot to my M365, recently added a 48v 13s4p 20ah external battery through the monorim 500w motor through the rita adapter, I have to say amazing results
@@springamcs did you use the stock controller?
@@VRMinde yes I did, I have the V3.0 controller which is already reinforced in terms of the traces at the back and the MOSFETs are pretty powerful in terms of voltage, I also added more thermal paste as there was barely any standard, I put a thermal pad underneath the MOSFETs and also added a cooling fan on top of the controller for better ventilation and have to say does keep the temperature down far better than before I done the work
@@springamcs Sounds like v3 has it all solved. I still need to upgrade mine
lol i love the cyberpunk music lol. its cheesy but i always imagin cyberpunk music whenever im modding my scooter or looking it over before i ride.
Haha my music taste is super weird, I listen to so many random things that I could claim I do not have any music taste 😂
I was searching for front and rear suspension only but RUclips says there's even cooler upgrade ideas available.
YT knows better what you need mate :))
@@VRMinde all the time haha
U can do trace cut on the esc too to increase the speed by using higher voltage on 72v u get to 50-60kph
Yeah I need to do that or they will burn the traces for sure :)
Bro, you can add a switch for the second dashboard. So you can do single or dual motor. Concept is like those big scooters
That’s for sure! I would still like to have it on one button though. Why would I use one motor when two are so much fun 😂
@@VRMinde well. That could be an option for a good tutorial..
Ride safe bro
@@KismetMookz i will make a follow-up when I make my needed improvements. Thanks bro!0
for the brake you can use a Monorim Motor Deck Disc for XIAOMI
I can’t remember now what was I using 🙄
Mad l project, kudos to you
Thanks bro!
You should connect together power button or just takeout secondary button and wire it with first controller so you can power on and off together with one push.
It’s been a while I was riding this one :)
I'm here 15 years now and it looks defenetly like Danmark :D tyllyke!
Who knows mate, who knnows :D Tak!
Great video, thanks
Glad you liked it! And thanks for taking effort to leave a comment. It helps my channel!
@@VRMinde you're welcome. I wish you could make more videos, i like your style. Have a great day.
@@Mopar_logic me too man :) but I have another channel + full time job + other hobbies :) And honestly it is hard these days to receive things like spare parts, etc., so all projects take much longer than I would love them to
@@VRMindeI totally understand, making videos is full time job and then some. What's your other channel?? I will definitely subscribe and like your videos. I had a plan to start a channel about alibaba scooters and I was going to order a yume y11 plus but yesterday I was pulled over by the police ridding my mercane widewheel and I got almost got a 300 pounds fine, 6 points on my license and he wanted to confiscate my scooter. I don't know how but I persuaded him to let me go but next time I will get done. I hate living in UK, it feels like a 3rd world country.
@@Mopar_logic uffff man that dors not sound like a great experience. The laws for escooters are awful in UK! My other channel is on inline skating m.ruclips.net/channel/UCO-T2x_6rCdAYpSivzFwWqA
You can start a channel any time! Despite how successfull it is - you will learn a lot on the way :)
You have a ton of clearance under your board you can easily make a spacer to fit the whole battery under the scooter
Sure, just need to weld it to another shape :)
Finally, you won something. I hope you scored that night 😂
Got banned for 30 days 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Well at least you ate dinner
wtf happen with m365 users? They turned the scooter into a sleeper with the large number of things that exist on the market to modify them.
It’s like a virus man 😂
2 250 watt motors? Just opt out for a 1000w esc controller youll have more battery space and if the dashboard doesnt work just opt out and buy and cheap dashboard
it was just a play-around, I do not really use the scooter :)
👋🏻Hi friend new to your channel thank you so much for this video I was waiting for this type of video for a long time. As for my project that I want to do this with my Ninebot Max G30. I would like that this would be with a max g30 video but this would give me some ideas thank you so much keep up the good work.👍🏻
Thanks man, very kind of you :) good luck with your project!
Now you need a little radiator in the front and liquid cooled ESC and batteries 😅
Would like to see how the Xiaomi goes with Monorim 500w motor? Apparently even on the stock firmware it will supposedly hit 40 KPH. Some claim up to 50 KPH with a bigger battery.
Well, I was also curious and it has been ordered and is ariving :) will make a vid when I get it.
@@VRMinde Great news. Thanks. I'm considering it myself along with the Rita adapter and battery upgrade.
i got 70kph with this motor, its a.. how to say that..
Thank you very much for the video. I do E-scooter repair as my side hustle and i have one working ninebot motor and ESC from customers. I was thunking id i could use those to converst my Xiaomi Pro 2 to 2WD. The connectors are exacl´tly the same, but i still need to test what happens when i connect xiaomi dashboard to ninebot ESC.
give it a go :) you have everything at hand already :)
Cool you made it😊
I was wondering have you tried a decoupler for two controllers and one dashboard??
I saw someone used one dashboard, probably you can find info on it in the comments, I have never tried it :)
Hi! I want to do this, with scooter 3, and with 2 battery, Is it worth in money, or if you buy a better scooter is a better price?
better buy a faster scooter, not worth the effort and all the problem solving :)
Why just don't connect both motor in paralled with one controller? The power on motor will cut in half but you can boost power delivery with firmware.
I can think of 2 reasons: 1. the ECU is reading actual motor position with hall sensors and ignoring that will not ensure the smoothest operation of the motor. 2. you will double the load on the controller which is already the weakest link in the chain
I always wondered how good the scooter would be if it just had a rear motor and a front brake disc, care to show us? haha
I probably will, when the 500W motor comes :)
Resulta que funcioa suspendida en el aire funciona exelente pero cuando intento correr se tranca y no avanza y queda dando error 16. Apago y enciendo
If it runs without load and does not work with the load there must be something wrong with hall sensor layout. Some wires might be the same color, but not the same layout in the motor. That is my only assumption 🙄
58v and the condensator exploded...but till then. 2min..45kph...
😂 great 2 mins :) I know the feeling :))
hey, Big thank for this video, is very usefull for me bcs i actually have two m365 pro2 in my house and was thinking about to made one with dual motor. So thank again for your video.
So for my project, i will try to made the dual motor with 1 batterie for each motor. to avoid the range limit. and anyway, i just have 2 batterie so just let made that !! :)
I just have one question about this setup, went i made my test everything was fine but, to turn on both controller i have to clic the power bouton in each dashboard, do you have any tips to link the power bouton of the stuck dashboard with the second dashboard to turn on together ?
Hi mate, oh, it worked for me with one button on one dashboard. Button is just a connector between wires, so there must be a way to duplicate it :) as it has been now what? 2 years ago I did the project? I can’t remember the details anymore…
Nice upgrades. I think it would be good to have 2 disk brakes (with break levers on each bar) and maybe turn down the regen braking a bit on the front motor.
Do you think it's worth putting honeycomb tyres on both wheels as the air shock absorbers are taking out the bumbs now?
I mean if you want the scoot to last - there is definitely a need to reinforce controllers, install higher amp battery, probably then you don’t need to reduce the regen braking 🙄 if there were 2 disk brakes - would be a perfect setup. Just the price of m365 is getting ridiculous :)
I do not like the honeycomb tires because of how they perform on corners. I don’t trust them :) and these cheap 10” ones with some “slime” sealant run without any punctures for me month after month. I am to stay on air tires, I believe 🙄
I have honey tires and I hate them
@@bruno3833 I have it on my front wheel but I have an air shock to help with the feel. The rear tyre is air filled though.
i have full rubber tires with holes. i had them for so long they are starting to wear down, which means ill need to replace them and that may involve cutting them off. they are super rough but the front suspension I got from monorim helps reduce the vibrations. sometimes i worry some bumps might be a little too rough from the front motor but it seems fine, regardless, id say if you where you put in the money to have a smoother ride by buying front suspension then air tires might be better if you want a smooth ride and your streets are relatively clean from glass and nail. even my full rubber wheels had a nail stuck in it. full rubber tires will also wear down you battery faster and reduce your speed. i have even read that it can reduce the life span of you from motor.
@@illidari12211 Well said. 👍 The more the tyre weights the harder the motor has to work. I'll probably buy another motor with the air tyre already attached.
Geras video, ačiū kad daliniesi patirtimi. Pas mane galvoje sukasi kiek kitoks variantas dėl 2WD. Galvoju nupirkti antrą Pro2 ir apjungti motorus, baterijas su visa elektronika viename, bendri būtų tik gazas ir stabdžiai. Reiktų tik išpręsti baterijos pakabinimo po esama problemą. Ką apie tai manai?
Tai as is principo taip ir padariau - isardziau viena m365 ir susidejau is 2 i viena :) Tik, kad brangus toks uzsiemimas. Pigiau susipirkti dalis atskirai, nei visa skuteri. Jei jau pirkti du pro2 - gal pigiau (ir tukstanti kartu patogiau + geriau) nupirkti galingesni skuteri su pakaba, galingais motorais ir t.t.?
Baterija taip pat teks greiciausiai isardyti, ir tada velgi - labiau verta pirkti skuterin jau pagaminta tam :)
Saludos acabo de hacerlo en mi patinete, pero no funciona, puse 2 motores en una centralita y un panel de control todo lo puse paralelo
What bms did you use on your external battery?
I tired to make a 10s 6p battery with a different bms and the scooter just would not accept my homemade battery. Then i had the idea to just solder the M365 BMS onto my new battery. Every balance lead had the correct amount of voltage but the scooter still would not turn on...
So I which BMS you use
Just make firmware on Xiaogen, it allows you to disable all BMS data
f0456977.xsph.ru/free/index.html
@@VRMinde then bluetooth wont work anymore right?
Or can i use stock xiaomi bms (with changed xiaogen firmware) + my new homemade battery?
@@sparklauerei1 you can just connect the new battery to your stock in parallel
Man I have one question for you. Did you try to split signal from one display (m365 pro) to two controlers? I mean to use splitter like in power cable from batery to controlers. Then you will have less electronics and you can off your scooter like normal stock m365 pro but its only my idea i didn't tested it yet but i think if it can work it will be the way better than a 2nd display
I do not think it will work mate 🤷🏻♂️ it is not so hard to hide the second dashboard in the steering tube to be honest 🙄
@@VRMinde i also had two displays for my M365 awd but It had Shortcuts vērt often so i made a cable from ome Dashboard to both controllers
@@aldisgarais Does it work with just a secondary cable? That would be easy...
@@VRMinde ok i made that cable in service and it works as it’s mentioned above. Now I want to make such cable for two ninebot controllers because I’m converting M365 to awd Max
@@VRMinde two cables are connected in parallel
I have commected the dash together with red pin and when I turn the dash off the other stays on or goes off and then turns other one on
I had the same issue mate. I think there is a need of power cut-off button for both dashboards lr they power each other. I was either unplugging the bartery pack (as it was external) or setting auto-shutdown timer for both dashes
First thanks for your video, I'm already involved in the project, in my case I will use two brake levers, one for the front and one for the rear, so I won't have to connect the two screens with the brake cable, but there is one thing that I do not see clear, so that the accelerator acts on the two screens, How do i connect the cables?
09:05 blue and green cables, one is accelerator signal another one is brake signal, can’t remember which one is which, but you can see in the handlebars by where are they going left or right :)
@@VRMinde in my case I will only share the throttle with the two screens, so, I send the green signal cable to the two screens, is that correct?
@@iber65 yes, if green is throttle :)
@@VRMinde just one more thing, the red and black throttle cables, do they have to be shared on the two screens or do they only go to the main screen?
@@iber65 that is ground and positive. They go from the screen to the throttle. You will need to connect them to your new brake handle as well
In another video you said you where in denmark where do you get reprogrammable controllers in denmark
On aliexpress or fasterbikes.eu :)
@@VRMinde thanks
When I go around 40 miles, I don't believe such a small steering wheel, I mean, the steering wheel can jump out of your hands in any Hall, or a bump, it can happen even if you go to fast on a turn... I think, this problem should be solved firstly, when you star to increase your speed.
Kind of.. i had quite a few situations when I actually lost the handlebars from my hands but kept going. The scooter wants to go and stand straight, even when you don’t hold the bars.
Yeah, but if your lucky few times, it won't happen hall live, so I think it would be really good, if you would protect your self in this case!
@@motivboost001 I agree that you need wider bars, but just not as priority no 1. I think better brakes is priority 1 if you compare to stock scooter :)
@@VRMinde Oh, I thought, brakes are default😄
@@motivboost001not for everyone :D
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to just buy a kaabo mantis base?
Yes it would :)
Could it be connected in one controller by making it a series
ECU controlls the motors depending on their hall sensor positions, so one ECU cannot controll two motors. You could in theory just connect phase wires in parallel, but Your controller will also get double load and burn super fast
Where did you buy the spacekit for the second motor?
Hi, check info in the bottom of the description under the vid. Alternatively you can get a kit from Monorim m365 front disc brake mount kit or from monorim motor cover kit as well :)
could you do a upgrade a Pure Air e scooter please? Its one of the biggest manufacture for London UK. I see them more than Xiaomi now!
If I had one mate :) I don’t and I know nothing about them…
@@VRMinde Check them out. Pure Air are really good. The best starter scooters ever, for price, build and look
@@brandedwarrior5907 if some day they would send me one for a review - I would do it. Otherwise I have like 6 basic scoots now :) don’t have money for one more
Maybe a missed the info but how fast is it?
Amm it’s been a while now. 50km/h plus for sure :)
Brave men do not use the brakes! 😂
Neither brains 😂😂😂
Totally 🤣
Actually, es series "have no brakes" from a factory.
@@pashko90 that’s a risky business :)
Hi I'm just wondering if you know why the primary dashboard has to be the pro version ?? why can't it work with two standard dashboards...thank you
I think it can be mate. I was just using someone’s recipe that works. Actually one guy said in the comments he used only one dashboard for both controllers with double cabling. Maybe worth trying?
Thanks mate, I will try with two standard dashboards, only sharing the throttle connection. Cheers
Do u know where I can buy a upgraded controller for the Old m365 pro that can handle 48v batteries. I hear a lot of people say the stock one will burn out
It might survive if you turn off any regen braking and don’t go full throttle for too long (need to monitor the temps a bit). I don’t know where to buy one mate. It would be best to get the v3 controller from the pro 2. They used to sell for around 100 eur though 🙄
Can I not just use one dashboard and connect both controllers to that? Thanks
Someone said in the comments that was possible. I have not tried that mate. If you try let me know please!
How you upgrade the controller to 14s battery
The controller is stock, mate, as I am riding on 12s. I will upgrade it though and make a separate video on it at some point.
@@VRMinde me I have m365 pro 2 which application i use for pro 2 version to program
And when I put the dual controller no space for the orignal battery
And keep making these videos good luck
@@mrzoro6121 I assume you can use the xiaogen as well (forgot to add the link, fixing now), but I am not sure 100% mate.
And yep, you need to find a new location either for the controller or for the battery 🙄 that’s a tricky one!
Are you interested in shooting iezway electric scooter?
Hello, sure mate, why not. You can reach me out on Instagram or send me an email to weareminde gmail
This does not fit back on the m365 scooter. The wheel ended up being too thick. Is this only suitable for the PRO m365?
what do you mean "too thick"? Is it too wide? Or the tire rubbing on the rear mudguard? Or the wire?
@@VRMinde Is it too wide
@@UADPluginsCrackRU That is weird, mine was just fine and I know at least 10 people through the years who installed it on m365 as well..
Pirate did one too. You should check his video out
I saw his vids, he used vesc controllers if I am not mistaking.
@@VRMinde He left some links. Not sure what he used. Slick setup, one controller for both motors. I'm thinking of making one also. I like the suspension you used.
Do you have a 250w motor on the rear also?
I have a 250w in front...do you think it is possible to combine with a pro2 350w motor in rear ... will it be better or worse?
I have both standard 250w
Of course you can put 350w in rear if you want to, they are the same dimensions. I have now 500w, will first try it solo and then might move to the rear with 250w in front :)
@@VRMinde Brilliant. Can't wait for your video, man. Good luck
Hi IF put two 250w motor on one stock esc? Someting diference?
I am not sure it will work as: 1 esc controlls motors with hollo sensors; 2 esc will have double the load, overheat and burn
Thenks i gót two esc but is one 350w and 250w this work on one 36v baterry?
@@nataliapatrik7992 it should. Look carefully how much amps will you pull from esc1+esc2 not to overload/overheat the battery pack :)
Sveikas gal galetum sektiek man padeti su antros baterijos instalevimu? kaip ka ir kur pirkai?
Labas, as ja pirkau kartu su Rita is cia m365.embedden.com
Can I do this with a clone? It's almost identical to the Xiaomi, its a Hiboy S2
Why not mate. Especially if controller/dashboard is the same should be the same process. Make sure you can mount the wheel at the rear first :)
Would it be use full to make two potis on the brake and accelerator lever to adjust the balance between the motors?
I was planning to Do the same but i stopped on a rwd version because a single tyre has enough grip i rather try to increase the output.
Did you found a way to extend the battery case? I found a stl for printing spacers to increase the height.
Do you have a idea how to reinforce the steeringstem? I heard of people having Issues after increasing the output of the Motor by overvolting. The brute force of the acceleration Seems to make the stem wobbly
I have the 500w motor but still have not tried it with a decent size and voltage pack. RWD makes sense if you go with aftermarket controller and battery.
I have a large printer and developed a prototype one-piece extension, I just don’t have enough time to work on all these improvements :)
I do not think you need to controll the motors separatelly 🙄
Oh and I have never had any issues with stem and locking mechanism on my m365. There is no way enough force to bend the stem from the accel mate :) you need like 2kw or so, and even then you should have decent feet position to handle the forces and not pull the handlebars. The handlebar AT ALL TIMES needs to be not overstressed so you can continue controlling your scooter (accell and brakes)
Okay thanks for the info. I yet have only a shunt to increase amps but overvolting is something i want to try out but people telling me that the stem could cause Issues made me stop any planning on that regard. I have the german knockoff of the m365 and in my Community people said that the Controller gets Fried on 12s. So i have no choice than getting a proper controller.
The acceleration and brake balance was just a idea i probably never get the Chance to try out i was just suggesting it if it interests you to change some variables to see how it effects the scooter but it is definently not a needed Feature at all.
Im looking forward to see progress on your build buddy!
@@johnathankrausrig9237 the stock m365 controllers also get fried if you push them just a bit more than you should :D
I will now just try two stock motors and controllers on this build with less power. The hope is for a great acceleration, not pushing the top speeds much above the legal limits.
And I will probably try the 500w motor on another build with a decent controller with the field weakening and big 14s pack 🙄
hi, i would like to run a 2wd using two 350 watt / 36 volt motors (they are clones and not original xiaomi) and using two separate (clone) v3.0 boards reinforced with 100v 1000uf capacitors and IFRB4110 mosfets.
In your opinion, how much could I squeeze the motors in terms of nominal Watts and peak Watts, in order to have a fair compromise and not overheat them too much and not limit their life?
I am only interested in having power to climb hills more easily, I absolutely don't care about speed.
Furthermore, once the wattage of the single motor has been established (for example 750 watts peak), should I have a 36 volt (20A) or 48 volt (15A) battery pack? I don't know if the motors can work at 48 volts.
thank you
Hi,
It depends, from air temperature, duration of the max watts etc.
I have used 12s battery pack for years and used 14s pack for a while, no problems with the motor.
If you can get the power from higher voltage rather than from higher current - do that. It will help with motor heating on those max watts.
But if you replace ecus, motors, battery, would it not be cheaper to get a 2wd scooter with 2 motors, bigger pack, better brakes, suspension and etc. for a very similar price? :)
@@VRMinde I understand, to use 12s or even 14s how many Amps do you normally send out of the control unit?
For example if it throws out 30A at 48 volts, the motor will nominally draw around 1500 watts.
Are the Pro2 series motors (350 watts) capable of resisting?
Furthermore, it would take a suitable battery pack capable of throwing out at least 30A and with adequate and not limited BMS 15A but at least 30A if not higher.
@@landscapes3798 anything above 1kw you should only allow for few seconds, I would not continuously run more than 700-800w for sure
how press you the POWER ON by the Panel from the ORIGINAL Scooter after it is INSIDE and OFF?
09:15 the red wire connects the dashboards together.
In my case it won’t turn off with a button as the panels power each other up. I set the timer to something like 30sec of inactivity and both dashboards turn off. Probably the right way to do it would be to make a separate external cutoff switch/button for both dashboards 🙄
For your extinction problem, have you tried to wire the 2 buttons of the dashboards together?
They are in the way “wired together” mate, meaning they share throttle and brake signal wires as well as power wire. Overall I was not doing anything with scooters/projects recently as I was busy with other stuff…
Monorim 500w motor is slower than pro stock motor and a little bit more torque but i think it's too late to say u this, the fastest motor for m365 are actually the 350w m365 motor from aliexpress but less torque than pro motor...
That is fine mate, I am literally doing these upgrades more out of a curiosity than a specific need, so it does not matter that much :) but good to know, thanks!
KERS works better?
With the phaserunner you can fully customize the curve of braking and the accelerator. Works flawlesly🤓
Have you used a Rita adapter
Not for this build
Why not simply splice the two motors and two controller wires together so you won't even use original stock dashboard?
Controllers are working / loading the motor according to the motor position that they “know” through halo sensors. If you splice cables together they won’t work. Same between dashboard and controller - ELC sends/reads data from dashboard
@@VRMinde ok I get that now. By the way, did you get much better hill climbing with this mod? When will you make the more detailed video
@@jayv2407 I did not specifically try it on hills (as there are not that many of them here) but I bet it is a massive improvement! Hard to tell when mate. I am now filming another scooter. Then I have 500w motor and want to play with it and I also have front disc brake set and new motor cover that I want to make a video about. There is so much going on :)
Did it make the scooter much faster
If you use stock battery and two motors - the biggest difference you will notice is acceleration, max speed just a bit. I like riding 2wd scoots, feels completely different!
And if you go with aftermarket battery packs with higher voltage - the max speed is also increasing nicely.
Nice thank u
Am going with the two motors and two lcds. But only got one battery at mo. If I do run 2 do I need 2speed controls. Please help
How do you brake???!!!!?!!!
I don’t, just go full speed mate!
@@VRMinde I have many of these at my disposal and have considered a 2wd and 3 wheeler but the only thing stopping me is brakes
@@mistermagnifico i have a disc brake in front mate. It works really well. On top of that regen braking is helping a lot. You can actually install even double disc brake, but the front one is enough
@@VRMinde Bro that is crazy imagine all that acceleration power and boom front brake! From the experience of pulling the front brake on a bicycle downhill you can understand why I am cautious
@@mistermagnifico if you ride any two wheeled vehicles, bikes, motorcycles, etc, you should already know that front brake will do 80% of the job because of the weight distribution when braking.
We have a saying “if you are afraid of the wolf - do not go to the forest”. Meaning, don’t ride faster than you are comfortable :) ride safe mate!
how do you turn on the dashboard inside the stem?
It turns on with the main dashboard
can you hook up the second motor to the stock esc ? and have a switch to turn the secondary motor on and off to save battery ?
Hi mate, I can see I missed a lot of comments on YT, one of them was yours. Both motors are hooked up on stock esc's. You can come up with a switch to turn one off.
Hej
Can i just put the motor on the rear? I mean switch the wheels?
You sure can, but you then have to figure out the brakes. I have received motor cover with a disc brake yesterday. These come with the spacers to mount the wheel in the rear. and the front brake caliper mount kit for monorim should arrive as well soon (I hope?). I will make a vid. It’s not a cheap upgrade though.
How much did you pay for the motor cover?
@@caipas111 53USD + ~30EUR of import taxes to Denmark…
@@VRMinde Does the monorim plate seems to fit correctly with the konyk rear suspension on a classic m365 ?
@@IbnChakib for it works pretty well with air shocks. I am 85kg
The metal inner bolt spacer thing to attach the motor
Where can I buy
@@UKMrMedical I got it from the guy that makes these KONYK suspensions - info in the description below the video mate. But you can also get it from Monorim. At least I got one more kit with their RWD kit: www.monorim.store/product-detail/Monorim-MD-RF-specially-for-refit_pid-d0539421365a4265adcf24c29b959379.html
I’m on about the nut that goes on the hubmotor axel
@@UKMrMedical it is in the rwd kit that I have sent you a link to
@@VRMinde 100% comes with the nuts
Will this work for a hover-1 pioneer?
I have no idea abou that exact scooter mate, but you can custom make anything, it is just a lot of trial and error (and costs). Another way is to buy a ready-made scooter, normally it gets faster, cheaper and better :D
@@VRMinde well it’s literally a Xiaomi clone…but thank u for the quick response
@@louvett77 but it might have different controller/dashboard and you might need to figure out how to connect them mate :)
How you brake?
With regenerative motor braking for this test. I know it is not reliable. I have purchased a new motor cover with a disc brake as well as the monorim front brake kit. Just need time for all the installations :)
Does this work for the xiaomi pro 2
In essece - yes.
Where do you motor mounts
Hi, I did not get your question mate
español tambien jeje
Me? No man, I am lithuanian living in Denmark :)
Did I can use the pro 2 orignal controller
With pro 1 version controller because me no find same pro 2 version controller
You can use any controller for your second motor. I assume that pro2 comes with the "v3" controller that is made a bit stronger, but in essence should work with the same firmware. But don't quote me on this - I am just estimating. Do not know it for a fact. And read through comments here before you flash firmware on your pro2 controller: ruclips.net/video/sEb8cD18QzA/видео.html
@@VRMinde where I can find second v3 controller i can't find orignal one did I can use copy one? I will upgrade it to 14s did will work the same orignal controller
@@mrzoro6121 i don’t know where to find another v3 mate, never looked for it.
And any controller will work as long as you can disable the bms data on it, meaning if you can flash the xiaogen firmware
@@VRMinde thanks you so much
@@mrzoro6121 np mate, ride safe!
Just buy a dual motor scooter & save money & time
I completely agree, but in my case it is not the point to make it practical or cost effective. I do not even care about how fast it goes. It is more fun to build and problem-solve around than to drive it mate :)
Сяоми создан для 25 в час, больше типо того что на видео это уже не сяоми
aliexpres dual new controler ,ha ha ha e mult mai simplu omule......
Sorry man, but I don’t understand what are you talking about
2Brakes motor 🤣🤣
3:16 Sigma male moment
can i use 2 different controllers from m365 and m365 pro? does it have to be the same software version?
You can use two as you mention. I think firmware has to match and you need to disable bms data, and make bith boot in eco mode