In the early 70's I worked for CONOCO and we did seismic exploration north of Mammoth and the word from the guys in the "computer" truck was that this area had the largest copper deposits ever found.
I used to live in Mammoth Az LOVE the view of the mountains!! It is sad how Mammoth has gone down since the old mine has closed. And by the way my family has a house for sale in Mammoth.
The climate change people hate copper mines in the U.S., but they love electric cars. Makes sense. As long as some poor country with slaves is mining it, they are pro copper.
I don’t disagree with you. As an engineer I see everything as a cost/benefit, an energy in-energy out equation. My solution would be nuclear Thorium and Uranium 235 reactors with passive safety features, combined with investment and replacement of most commercial and passenger travel with mass transit rail. I would supplement this with ammonia fueled shipping and light car travel. I would not invest in electric cars. Having said all that, let’s get back to your argument about copper mines. I have no problems with copper mines. I do have problems with copper mines that cheap out and don’t provide the appropriate environmental mitigations. You see, the mining and energy sectors don’t get a pass from me when they lie to me. Let’s have adult conversations and strike compromises. Do you know what zombie wells are? There are thousands of them pouring toxic methane and oil pollutants into the air and ground from bankrupt company shells that big oil fund. Stop lying to me and I will discuss the opportunities. But you don’t want this dialogue. All you want is a sound bite that leftists don’t know that their electric cars use copper. I grew up in Tucson with the families of miners and know many families in Mammoth; they understand very completely the trade offs. It doesn’t matter. What matters is your rhetoric gets us no closer to solutions, no worse than them. Instead use your energies to develop a community project plan of state and local rules that force mining to be good stewards. And here is the rub; the only reason they exploit those poor nations you reference is because they have no rules and margins can be set high. That becomes a different set of problems, but ultimately all we can do is set the right ground rules and accept the compromises by doing so. Remember too that as mush as technology needs copper, humans need water and temperate conditions. It’s not devaluing copper to put water first. It is prioritizing properly. That should be easy….. or should we just name call each other.
@@DesertPackrat How do you know all I want is a soundbite? This isn't a forum where we type out numerous paragraphs to get our point across. Instead of being so snarky, make your point and let it stand on its own merit.
I lived in Douglas then Bisbee until they shut down in 75. It's not for lack of an ore body in the Busbee area. They packed up and tore down their infrastructure to soon. When it got to where they could access the ore and it was economically feasible there was too much expense involved in rebuilding.
@bubbaredneck75 Sure, jobs. But the harm will be so great that some species will likely never return after the site is "rehabilitated" Believe it or not, humanity cannot keep cashing checks on nature's account without having to pay some serious taxes down the road. But it's fine if you get your nut right now, right?
If you have any abandoned nickel mines use nickel trees they accumulate nickel in there bodies up to 5% and to 20% nickel in weight compared to the rock it grows in let’s say 1%. You can clean up the land and make money and if done right make power on top of that I don’t see a downside to fixing things properly and if possible continue mining but in trees not ripping apart the land cleaning it up not destroying it.
Duddleyvile San Manuel, and Mammoth has lost 66% of their population in the last 12 years. Without those new mines there won't be any on here soon. These areas lost every thing after BHP closed the Magma mine.
Bringing people back to Mammoth is a good thing. These two fogeys won't be around long enough to see the change in the environment or the boost in that town's economy.
Yeah Republicans did a lot of good things like selling unlimited water rights to the Saudis, enforcing a 19th century abortion ban, wasting tax payer money to do recounts that just found more votes for Biden lol. Shut up and go to Utah or something.. that's more your speed.
The problem is that mining companies are irresponsible with their land use permits. In every single case that I have seen, when the mine becomes unprofitable, they abandon the property... And it is utterly trashed. This site could only be profitable by open pit mining huge amounts of low grade ore, and it would leave forever scars across the landscape.
In the early 70's I worked for CONOCO and we did seismic exploration north of Mammoth and the word from the guys in the "computer" truck was that this area had the largest copper deposits ever found.
I used to live in Mammoth Az LOVE the view of the mountains!! It is sad how Mammoth has gone down since the old mine has closed.
And by the way my family has a house for sale in Mammoth.
Ironic, isn't it?
Irony
The climate change people hate copper mines in the U.S., but they love electric cars. Makes sense.
As long as some poor country with slaves is mining it, they are pro copper.
I don’t disagree with you. As an engineer I see everything as a cost/benefit, an energy in-energy out equation. My solution would be nuclear Thorium and Uranium 235 reactors with passive safety features, combined with investment and replacement of most commercial and passenger travel with mass transit rail. I would supplement this with ammonia fueled shipping and light car travel. I would not invest in electric cars.
Having said all that, let’s get back to your argument about copper mines. I have no problems with copper mines. I do have problems with copper mines that cheap out and don’t provide the appropriate environmental mitigations. You see, the mining and energy sectors don’t get a pass from me when they lie to me. Let’s have adult conversations and strike compromises. Do you know what zombie wells are? There are thousands of them pouring toxic methane and oil pollutants into the air and ground from bankrupt company shells that big oil fund. Stop lying to me and I will discuss the opportunities.
But you don’t want this dialogue. All you want is a sound bite that leftists don’t know that their electric cars use copper. I grew up in Tucson with the families of miners and know many families in Mammoth; they understand very completely the trade offs. It doesn’t matter. What matters is your rhetoric gets us no closer to solutions, no worse than them. Instead use your energies to develop a community project plan of state and local rules that force mining to be good stewards. And here is the rub; the only reason they exploit those poor nations you reference is because they have no rules and margins can be set high. That becomes a different set of problems, but ultimately all we can do is set the right ground rules and accept the compromises by doing so. Remember too that as mush as technology needs copper, humans need water and temperate conditions. It’s not devaluing copper to put water first. It is prioritizing properly.
That should be easy….. or should we just name call each other.
@@DesertPackrat How do you know all I want is a soundbite? This isn't a forum where we type out numerous paragraphs to get our point across. Instead of being so snarky, make your point and let it stand on its own merit.
Mammoth was founded on mining! We need to develop domestic sources for metals and minerals and not depend on other (potentially hostile) regions!
No worries. By the time all the permits and licenses are obtained civilization will have collapsed.
The hippies are mad would had been a great title.
ummm....jobs? plus it would bring other companies to town. i live in douglas and everything but walmart has left. jobs are few and far between here.
I lived in Douglas then Bisbee until they shut down in 75. It's not for lack of an ore body in the Busbee area. They packed up and tore down their infrastructure to soon. When it got to where they could access the ore and it was economically feasible there was too much expense involved in rebuilding.
@bubbaredneck75
Sure, jobs. But the harm will be so great that some species will likely never return after the site is "rehabilitated"
Believe it or not, humanity cannot keep cashing checks on nature's account without having to pay some serious taxes down the road. But it's fine if you get your nut right now, right?
The drug trade must be diminishing too?
It's not a sustainable industry.. The jobs will come and then they'll be gone lol.
If you have any abandoned nickel mines use nickel trees they accumulate nickel in there bodies up to 5% and to 20% nickel in weight compared to the rock it grows in let’s say 1%.
You can clean up the land and make money and if done right make power on top of that I don’t see a downside to fixing things properly and if possible continue mining but in trees not ripping apart the land cleaning it up not destroying it.
I thought the San Pedro was protected.
It is and those mines would not affect it at all. Those open pits would not want any extra water in them at all.
Why not an Arizonan company?
Aridzona Jobs!
Duddleyvile San Manuel, and Mammoth has lost 66% of their population in the last 12 years. Without those new mines there won't be any on here soon. These areas lost every thing after BHP closed the Magma mine.
mine it and make it in America.
Jobs for all the people in the surrounding areas. Feed your family or protect the environment?
Both can be done at the same time. Without the jobs you and your family are going to work where?
Dig baby !
Bringing people back to Mammoth is a good thing. These two fogeys won't be around long enough to see the change in the environment or the boost in that town's economy.
Why not an American company?
Yet they all vote democrat?
Yeah Republicans did a lot of good things like selling unlimited water rights to the Saudis, enforcing a 19th century abortion ban, wasting tax payer money to do recounts that just found more votes for Biden lol. Shut up and go to Utah or something.. that's more your speed.
They have no money , and no jobs now.
The problem is that mining companies are irresponsible with their land use permits. In every single case that I have seen, when the mine becomes unprofitable, they abandon the property... And it is utterly trashed. This site could only be profitable by open pit mining huge amounts of low grade ore, and it would leave forever scars across the landscape.
I'm sure you have seen so many of them. I live here and Asarco does a good job of being responsible landowners.