Tensions Rise Amid Klamath Dams Removals
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Klamath Dam Removal Project Update: A controversial dam removal project is expected to be completed sometime in August or September 2024, months ahead of schedule. The Klamath River Renewal Project (KRRC) is the largest dam removal effort in the world and it's taking place on the California-Oregon border.
When completed it will restore more than 400 miles of fish habitat, but the decades-old project has caused tension between Native American tribes and residents along the Klamath River.
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I lived in that are for 10 years and used to fish the Klamath below Irongate for steelhead. During that time, I saw both the steelhead and salmon runs decline due to poor water quality. Copco Lake, Above Irongate, was a warm water fishery with a lot of residential homes along the lakeshore. Most of these people's complaints was about losing property value since hey wold no longer have waterfront property. The Klamath is actually a great river, that has been curtailed by the dams. The sediment and metals issue is something that will happen, and then decline as the river flushes itself out and becomes a quality stream again. That entire area has always had a love / hate relationship with government over water. Hopefinally, the dam removal finalizes it.
..Yep...Realtors again....Greed over Country....
this is what I figured- had to do with property values somehow, because the anti-removal arguments are pretty weak. and the downstream boomers mad about water quality that will improve in a few years, but is an issue right now- how (stereo)typical.
These comments are way more intelligent than I anticipated. Warms my heart
Seems like a mass misunderstanding of the science and water usage by locals.
@@adamr149 what science? They blew a hole in the dams and drained the lakes. After 10 years of “science “ wow that was next level genius I’m sure “locals ‘ would never have thought of that
The lady with the jars literally said she doesn't even know what she's doing...
There are a lot of folks in Siskiyou county that like to pretend. A lack of education is their biggest challenge.
@@georgehaydukeiii6396 indeed.
Wouldn't that be somewhat valuable to get a timestamp of what may have been in the river water each day? Also, addressing the comments below. I think this education divide is where America divides culturally. We should be careful when looking down on people that we deem as uneducated deplorables. We should acknowledge our OWN knowledge gaps as educated people instead of attempting to feel superior.
@johnsospencer I think you make a really good point, and I see how my original comment comes off as an insult to the research she thinks she's doing. I won't pretend to be an expert with the answers, and I generally distrust authority myself. But whether it sounds nice or not, it is still true that the lady admits she has no understanding of what she is actually testing and what she is observing, so her observations are meaningless.
@@brothermayihavesomeloops7048 haha, fair point! Cheers 🍻
I was just at Iron Gate 3 weeks ago. It is steadily improving. There was no viable way to save the lakes. The water was antifreeze green and there was zero fish passage. The water in Copco smelled and was continuing to get worse each year. We had a lot of water this year. It was a good year to start this long term project.
Create New Jobs: By Restoring the Dams in the USA to have better electricity, and save the water for all Farmers! No water? No Food!! Also have Architects with good Credentials design and Re-route or Detour a New River running side by side by the Dams! To have clean healthy water for the Fish to swim up stream! There's a lot of skilled workers ready to do the Job! It can be done! Our Nation will Unite in this Restoration Project!...
Did you see the wild horses??? They are completly destroying the process 😂😂😂😂
Dams are not the answer and haven't been for a long time. @@dinavasquez5417
Algae was a big problem in the’60’s. I had a part-time job riding around in a boat dragging a gunny sack filled with Bluestone to help get rid of the algae. Not sure I got the name of that stuff correct.
@@dinavasquez5417And where will the money for that come from ?
Give the river time to repair itself from years of ignorant human activities. It will be strong again.
Salmon!
Guess you've never heard of climate change !! The river will probably run itself so low on some years it will kill all fish in it.. Which is fine then a problem will be finally and completely solved..
@@future_me_6067 Cadmium!
Nailed it!!
Geez these people want it all fixed in a month? Every one knows it will take 5 to 10 years, it is a big project.
Society of convenience breeds this type of sentiment.
Bunch of Karen's.
Yeah! It will come back better, I think faster than we think
Interesting that the anti-removal message seems to be "don't release the poison that we have accumulated for decades in these dead algae-bloom lakes back on us. That is so terrible. What if I wanted to actually use my boat?" The deflection from reality is nauseating.
Exactly!
Five stages of grief: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance.
@@childofthesoftgrass2228 listen to your self in what “reality “ is releasing poison into any river even considered you think it’s a great idea? I don’t know what deflection from reality means but where I’m from intentionally releasing poison into a river is ( so many words come to mind but I how fragile most people are so how about) never a good idea
@@user-cm7he2ep5xyou’re yelling into a box
To all of those folks who are so very upset about the removal of these dams, all I can think to say is the dams are gone and are not going to come back. Thousands of volunteers are working very hard every day to help restore the river and the now exposed lake beds. This is a LONG-TERM restoration process, it's not gonna happen overnight and the first couple of years may be a bit rough, it's true. It seems everyone closely involved with the project understands and accepts that fact. If you all care so much about the health of the river, it's water quality, the health of the river's drainage basin and restoring the ecosystem around the river (as you seem to profess), why oh why are you wasting your time protesting what has already been done and cannot be undone instead of joining those who are working so hard to help the river recover?
Those types of people are the Reason America is the way it is today. A burnt out husk of a once utopia.
The dams will be back. Give it 50 years. These news reports make it look like no one in CA understands what dams even do. They will be needed again though.
@@Treecareproj Hopefully not a husk - having watched this video (ending with the "people healing people" message), without taking any side, I'd hope in a couple years' time that the simple rationales for removing these dams will play out for the intended net benefit, emotions will subside, and a US resident anywhere can look at this as an example: "The extremist narratives of all types were proven false in this case. Perhaps I should never fall for extremism again. Perhaps I can vote against extremists, red, blue, green, or any other color, at every level, from school board to state office to President".
Is it ok with you if I question the wisdom of this project. Am I allowed to demand positive results before watching the same type of project done somewhere else. One reason to “protest what is already done” is to stop it from happening again .
@@jeromeball859well said remember the old saying QUESTION EVERYTHING? Took me a long time to understand how important it is to first question my own beliefs and opinions. It’s easier to pick a side dig in your heels and jam your head in the sand. One of those old Greek guys said something like don’t love holding your beliefs instead love testing the beliefs you hold🌲
We live near the dam removal site on the Elwah river. They’ve been studying the effects of the over 100 years of sediment since they removed both dams. It’s created new habitat and the sediment helps to make small pebbles from larger rocks that make better fish spawning habitat. It will take some time for this transformation to take place. People fear what they don’t fully understand 🤷🏼♀️
Absolutely. People fear what they don't understand. And the less educated, the less they understand. It's the saddest thing about Siskiyou county.😢
This is the lack of education issue. Humans will be long gone when "small pebbles are made from larger rocks" and it is disingenuous to make such a statement.
The only way to make a ‘rock’ from ‘pebbles’ is to take existing pebbles, and arranged to move them (usually with a river) to a collection location (usually, the ocean) and lay down a whole LOT of pebbles - together with sand, silt and mud - into a big, deep, thick layer, and then - bury it.
Cover it over with more and more and more sand, and silt, and mud and pebbles, until your pile is buried - maybe two or four miles down.
Then wait a few thousand or million years, and you will have created a rock, called ‘conglomerate’, which consists of pebbles cemented together with sand, silt and mud and - usually - silica gel (which forms between the pebbles etcetera due to compression, low heat (from being buried) and the trapped seawater.
@@MJ-uf9tl you are contradicting the science that has been published on this topic. Your qualifications? My husband is a scientist who works with fish and we have mingled for years with those scientists who were hired to study the post dam removal sequelae. This includes the 120 years of sediment trapped behind both dams. Includes the reason why dams are harmful in more than one way. Salmon need smaller pebbles to spawn in. Those are the facts as I am aware. I myself and not a scientist but I fully respect their work.
Each year the salmon population will increase as long as native trees are planted along the banks of the river.
@@MJ-uf9tl right as soon as I ask you for qualifications after you make the statement about poor education, and now you are silent. Yeah I get the message…. You have no qualifications to be sounding off as if you are a scientist. Your ignorance is showing.
The damns should've never been allowed. The river will clean itself up in a few years repairing the damage mankind has caused!
Well said.
Pipe down, hippie.
I hope you charged your phone from solar power and grow your own food with rain water. If not, you are an absolute hypocrite.
Yes! Civilization must be stopped 🤖 Bow down to the computer for your health and safety 🗽
@@daviddudeskie6940the fact that she has a cell phone or a computer, she’s a hypocrite. She’s also producing carbon dioxide.
I'm cheering for the river to run wild.
Me too
Me too, this is a huge win for future generations. The problem with our culture is that we don't think generationally.
So do you walk around with a "I'm a myopic anti-humanist idiot" sign around your neck too?
@@Sugarsail1 Sory, wi don not uberstanm thos big wrds
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Agreed. But one minor issue is that I kept getting distracted by the pronunciation "Ka-lamath" instead of "Klam-ath."
So the river is NOT a source of drinking water. Then why is that lady claiming her children are being poisoned?
People make all sorts of claims and people do plenty of things that are known to be unhealthy but blame others.
Maybe she is an idiot.
@@Agatesforbrains Most of the locals there are absolutely 💯% morons!
fearmongering...
@@johnlee7085 see smoking…
Dams kill rivers
Looks like beavers didn't get the memo
@@l-kin3480You beat me to it.
The river will repair itself
It will if we stay outta the way.
Agreed.
@@user-xg8mz7jb8s what an ignorant statement 😂 😂 😂
It is repairing itself right now as I write this.
nature always does. all it takes is for us people to get out of the way
People are ridiculous. The dam had to go and nobody stays whole. Just deal with it. You can’t save the dams nor should you.
If the dams were built properly in the first place (which they were not), with most of the river dammed, but not all of it, so that fish could still get past it, there would be less reason to remove it. Northern California and southern Oregon would not lose the hydro power, drinking water, and the Klamath Tribe could get their fish that they need to survive. However, even if the dams are totally removed, the Tribes of the Klamath Basin will not get back the 1.8 Million acres of land they lost to the dam projects in the late 1950s and early 1960s.
@@Bigfoot-px9gj creating hot lakes for the Salmon. There is no proper way to build a dam.
@@Bigfoot-px9gjyou don't know that for 100% fact, plenty of tribes including the yurok have gotten millions of miles of land returned recently. And i'm sure only more will happen in the future. Not only have indigenous people been here since time immemorial, they know how to take care of this land and restore it back to health.
Obviously on a project like this, the first few years are always gonna have the most issues. Fish will die, animals will get stuck in the mud, water quality will go down. It will eventually start running clear, fish and animals will thrive and normalcy will return.
finally, the voice of reason!👍
But those morons are purposeful deaf because they only worry about their property prices.
I’ll believe it when I see it! Just like when they said Florida would be under water 10 years ago. The people that can’t predict the weather tomorrow want to tell you what it will be like in 50 years. Don’t trust the experts. Question the experts
i don’t understand what logic there is behind being nervous about sediment that already existed there? now it’s moving away, if you believe the sediment is toxic for people why are you not glad the river is washing it away from people?
Ignorance on display with those folks.
Idiots, cadmium dust is gonna spread everywhere, this is a genocide
Seeing all the people protesting this knowing nothing about it really reminds me that the average person ain't so bright.
@@EmmaHopman cadmium is cadmium.. and people are people. I like people. If those humans do not evacuate NOW, and this isn't reported as a disaster and an emergency those "humans" will get bone cancer. But I guess I'm uneducated in your opinion 🙄. The cadmium residue at the bottom of the dams could have easily been cleaned. Or! You could have "built" instead of destroying a "fish ladder" and what about the lake las Angeles killed to get water?? that was the real disaster. How bout we save the lakes the coastal cities drained. I think you want the rural population dead and the coastal people alive. That is all.
@@shickakaper8028 the cadmium is there but exposure levels aren't an issue because it isn't drinking water. Did you know the river was already unsafe to drink or even swim in due to toxicity caused by the dams? Once the sediment is gone it will become a much safer river for everyone.
Don't quit saving the sediment water jars! In the coming decade (maybe sooner) you'll have great evidence that the river is back and alive like it was before the dams were put in. Look North to the Elwah dam removal project for robust evidence that the river, the shores, the animals will return and thrive! It is hard for some locals to see the scars and mud at your favorite swimming hole or fishing spot, but similar pain was felt by others when the dams were put in. Newtons law.
It takes time for Mother Nature to heal
The Elwha took a decade to repair itself.
Fortunately, we have lots of history showing how it happens.
@@Jaded7981 I gather biologists were seeing salmon in the river the next year.
The river will heal itself for the most part.
Incredible project. The benefits of the restoration will exponentially improve water quality over time--all the plantings along the river will filter the water & prevent erosion & siltification.
Congratulations & THANK YOU to the Indigenous Nations who have worked so hard, & for so long, to save this beautiful River.
It will be interesting to see what this winter brings.
Well they weren't created for flood control
Most people are so short sighted and narrow minded. They have no idea the complexity and the greater meaning of this.
Did any of these people research past dam removals? Every time the ecosystem rebounds. It wont happen overnight. Have some patience people.
These naysayers and cry babies have never researched anything in their lives! Most of them can barely read.
@@user-wq4wr8oc8m l would love to know how your opinion of this project was formed?
@@georgehaydukeiii6396 come on tell us what you really think of anyone who disagrees with you. Do you have anything useful to say? I predict……silence
Great reasons not to build dams -- sooner or later they become a huge liability. Would be painful to live on the dead reservoirs as they are drained.
I would love to live there. Watching the transformation would be a great way to spend my later years. I was just at Iron Gate. It is really amazing to see what the topography looks like with lake gone.
I was at Copco and Iron gate last month. I think it looks amazing. It is a lake bed transitioning into a stream bed. Very serene. I would love to live near by.
This restoration was a long time coming;
the benefits will be felt for years to come.
The deforestation of the whole region presents another environmental remediation that can restore the natural wealth that was wiped out.
What's dirt made of? Get a garden soil test and you'll see an array of naturally occurring metals. People pay lots of money to buy tablets of zinc, copper, magnesium, etc. These things are everywhere. The bad ones as well as the good ones. And you can't compare raw river water against drinking water standards, that is completely ludicrous.
If the waters turning dark is because of 100 years of sediment behind the dams finally flushing to the sea. What did residents expect... magic sediments would disappear?? That's silly.
Spring 2025 the real estate agents will be advertising property as ‘Beautiful estate home over looking flower meadows along the Klamath River. Watch grazing deer, and soaring hawks from your deck’.
@@billsmith5109 lol 😂 nah the river is toxic and dead and will be that way for 5 to 10 more years lol
Mother nature repairs herself just fine.
RES is a great company with amazing people. Every one of them was trained to restore this environment. Making them out to be anything less than heroes is pure fabrication. My hat is off to the people that have to withstand a Public Relations battle with know-nothings in order to do the right thing. It's hero's work.
This is a great example of how people fear all change, even the most obviously innocuous or beneficial.
Quit complaining. A couple good winters and things will be back to natural.
Nature will come back.
@@mvl9591 yes as a desert. Nature isn't friendly.
@@shickakaper8028 area around Mount Saint Helen’s has regrown. Water and sunlight and plants grow
Whiners and short sighted, selfish, arrogant people don't want these dams removed. Accept change. This river will be amazing in the years to come. Maybe not in the lives of some of these elderly people, but definitely future generations.
It appears that we're doing something we've never done before, and perhaps those with strong opinions on both sides should wait to see the impact on our environment a decade from now. It is physically impossible to remove a dam (or put one up) without immediate environmental damage and negative impacts. We will learn a lot from this unprecedented size and scale, and I expect that scientists, environmentalists, and outdoor enthusiasts will have more knowledge and data available to stop or improve future dam removals. Let's all remember that no dam lasts forever, and reservoirs eventually fill up with sediment regardless of the dam's structural integrity and size.
Nah, this isn't even the 10th dam removal project. That's how the people doing it know how to do it. Practice. Next, undamn the Eel!
@@Korina42 I'm the wrong kind of engineer to understand all the scope and challenges, but I was referring to the scale and dam size as being something we've never done before. While it may be centuries away, this project has me considering how we will address a really large dam removal, like the Hoover or Glenn Canyon dams and what to do when their lakes eventually silt up. They have long expected lifetimes, past my expected life, but the volumes of both water and silt they are holding back are scary big.
@@kestralrider313 Like eating an elephant, as the saying goes.
As they are my people I will ALWAYS stand with my fellow Native American tribespeople. These fans were a mistake to begin with, and while there will be negative repercussions in the immediate aftermath the overall impact will be a positive one that will save many local species
Most of these issues were studied and discussed over many years. By 2025 the river will be back in the original channel, dams removed and restoration of plant life on its way. It will get better every day.
They say it could take 10 YEARS , 10 years of this will leave a dead river
All the fish are dead, all the bugs are gone , and they say it could take 10 years now 😂😂😂 MY FAMILY HS OWNED A HOUSE ON THE KLAMATH NEAR THE SHASTA RIVER FOR 4 GENERATIONS, they killedthe river,
@@bigfoot163You keep saying “they.”
Who is “they?”
@@DrJax0124 Oh I don't know but I'm thinking its funded by the likes of Bill Gate who has bought a half million acres of ag land. He really cares about getting as many farmers shut down to push his agenda of population reduction thru eating fake meat,plants and killing off meat production which will make him even more money.
@@bigfoot163If the river has been killed then the death warrant was signed by the people who built the dams in the first place. This is the collective result of decades of damage to the ecosystem. The dama were always going to cause these catastrophes eventually. The fact that we made it happen before the dams could collapse on their own likely reduced the degree of damage we're seeing. Imagine if we let the dams stand for another 20 or 30 years what would the results of them failing be then?
Tensions can rise as long as the water is not. Dam dam go away.
7:03 Wild horses are not a precious species. They are INVASIVE like the dams and they ruin the landscape like the dams. Folks think they are cute or pretty but it is a disaster happening.
As a Nevada native I am fed up with the protection of wild horses that do not belong.
Too bad. Good thing you’re not in charge, huh .
@@MsJamieburns lol what do you mean too bad? they're invasive ya uneducated dolt
Most of the horses are feral anyhow, not wild. Horse people are weird, generally can't tell if they love their horses as pets or they want to marry them and have horse baby hybrids.
Recently visited the Klamath for the first time and the Yurok tribal lands along with Yreka..one of the most beautiful places I've ever been..
The uproar is only because that area is full of crazies.
Bingo!
You win the "Nailed It" prize!
💯% correct!
They're everywhere. And not crazy, just not good at processing information.
They're probably batty from all the heavy metal poisoning from the environment
@@Potz4pizza disturbing how easy it is to dismiss anyone who doesn’t agree with you
right? I mean why is that nutty woman collecting water samples? when pressed, she even admits she doesnt have a point to prove...
Whats done is done, stop complaining and get out and help with the clean up. You are becoming part of the problems instead of the solutions.
Precisely!
I live up here in Siskiyou county and the people are very backward, people here will always find something to complain about.
I've lived in and around Siskiyou county on and off for close to 40 years now. it's hard to admit the fact, but yes there are a bunch of backwards hillbillies here!
trumpers too - he loves the uneducated... sigh
People WANT something to complain about. Gives meaning to their lives.
@@douglascronin7336 just curious did you grow up there or move from somewhere?
@@user-cm7he2ep5x I have lived in many places before here.
Fixing the environment after we mess it up is always an expensive, lengthy process. That is why we need to be careful and make sure the benefits are worth the costs.
Nature always heals itself from the insults of humanity. I hope I live long enough to see this area restored.
Definitely hope you are not dieing soon. Nature does heal itself and the injuries caused by mankind.
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So, what I am seeing from this story is that people against the dam removal are using the immediate aftermath of the removal as an indication of a failure of the process. What they don't seem interested in is learning what is expected over time and what the longer term plan is. They see actions that they don't understand and attribute something nefarious to those actions. There is a difference between 'no one told us' and 'we weren't listening', but it appears that the dam removal and the river recovery is proceeding as expected by the people that researched and studied what to expect.
It’s not difficult to find many many successful dam removal projects. It would be interesting to see if anyone could provide an example of an unsuccessful dam removal project.
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They also didn't care about the health of the river while the water quality was deadly to several important species for the last 100+ years. Also, some of the outcry is performance. Where was Siskiyou County leadership, for example, during negotiations over the last 10 years?
@@who2u333 plenty of “we weren’t listening “ on both sides. Salmon runs are declining everywhere we should try to figure out why and do something. Something that actually helps salmon. Instead we did this. Help me “understand “ how this helps salmon. It sure hasn’t helped in the short term. Everyone hopes it helps in the long term I don’t know and neither do you. Is hope scientific?
@@user-cm7he2ep5x Here is the easy 'how this help salmon" Salmon can't swim up dams. You are right, neither you nor I 'know' if this will help long term, but we haven't spent years studying the issue, so we should not be expected to know. Obviously 'hope' isn't scientific, but the people managing this aren't using hope, they are using science.
@@who2u333 I’m confused. Exactly what is this project trying to achieve. Surely it’s not to create new habitat east of I 5. So why would the salmon need to go upstream from the dam? Obviously it was not to improve the overall quality of the river downstream. Some non profit got a bunch of $ to blow 4 dams, pacific power or whoever got rid of future liabilities and the taxpayers got to pay for it. And those are the positives. Pat each other on the back and go tear up something else. Crazy times
There has been success on the Salmon, Elwha, Sandy, and others. Once the sediments blocked by the dams clear, the hydrological cycle will find balance.
Planting native plant/restoration will eventually take hold creating habitat and recreational opportunities.
In WA, the Elwah dam was taken down-the first one in the nation. The entire area will need time to reform. People often fear change but as in WA, salmon have been restored all the way up the river & as far as I know, it’s a success story. Another point is that old dams are degrading & will eventually fail in possible catastrophic events.
Oh my. I am so happy to see this.. Thanks to everyone that kept up the good fight. To return the river to its natural course.
Absolutely certain, The river will heal itself from the human restrictions placed on it.
People who are short-sighted, who don't understand that 100 years of bad policy can't be undone overnight. The goal is a better habitat for all, cleaner water for all, but it takes time to better the river and the environment.
These down river people want things to continue as they are, because THEY'RE comfortable. The minute they aren't, they get offended.
Give it time. It has to heal
Stupid rich people with waterfront property are the only thing that matters to rich people with waterfront properties.
It was the indigenous people who pushed for this, with stories of old people remembering when they fished there, and how the dams ruined their way of life. You can probably still find those videos right here on YT.
I miss visiting the area 😢 great memories from my childhood. My uncle lived on the river. His kitchen window looked out over it. I hope this project goes well 🙏
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@8:40 "..multiple federal agencies.." say no more it all makes so much more sense now.
You sound insecure due to your lack of understanding about our government. Read a book, get educated, stop being a hater.
@@georgehaydukeiii6396 The government dumped straight radioactive waste into the Atlantic Ocean right off the coast of New Jersey. The DOE 'lost' countless casks of Mercury in Oak Ridge TN. They were spraying it on fields to get rid of it. Kinda reminds me of those excavators dumping contaminated dirt right into the river. I honestly am shocked the native tribes are foolish enough to make a deal with the government considering the track record on broken deals and treaties. Look up the Tuskegee Trials while you're at it, and then tell me how much you trust the government.
There are thousands of rivers in the U.S. that are unhealthy from being dammed that the resident river haters of Siskiyou County can migrate to.
Name them.
Name them.
Google it. Don’t you do your own research?
@@matthew3136 - Argument of the weak. Unless you actually provide it, sit yourself down and be silent. PERMANENTLY.
Scott, well put and a great idea. I wish they'd go away too.😉
The river will rejuvenate and salmon will return!!
They never returned to the San Joaquin river like all the greenies said they would. Just water wasted, sent to the ocean instead of used for farming. The west side of the valley is virtually dried up thanks to environmental madness over a fish that will never return.
Thank you ao much fir this reporting! We are hopeful of freeing the Eel River in Lake County, which would reatore 140 miles of salmonid breeding streams. #FreetheEel
We have just recently seen what happens when dams pass their use by dates and are too expensive to maintain.
They become too expensive to maintain because un-elected bureaucrats impose regulations as a backdoor way to force people to do what they wouldn't if it was fairly debated and brought to a vote. All the virtue signaling is fine until something happens (like a flood) that was one of the many reasons why the structure was build in the first place. Recently, there seems to be a rush to destroy any "artifacts" of our history that some self appointed "do gooders" have determined doesn't fit with the way THEY want the world to be. Many of these people having not wanting to study or understand the people that they are trampling.
We’re going through the opposite up here in Alaska. A few state politicians have been convinced (translation: they’ve been paid lots of money) to promote a dam project on our Susitna river which is a massive salmon fishery of several species. It would destroy that fishery by destroying the salmon spawning grounds in streams that feed the Susitna.
Despite the people voting against it and they state killing it, they’re still trying to push it.
What did people expect? You remove a dam and there’s no impact? They complain that it’s there, then they complain when it’s removed. Maybe slow down the removal, but then they complain about the cost of the delay. It’s a lose-lose. It takes time for nature to stabilize, just like it did when the dams were built. In a decade, I bet most of these people will be total supporters.
Many may have built their lives around what was, lake side property, businesses and such. No easy way and no way to please everyone, but not as bad as what the Native tribes had to suffer since they were dismissed when over damming our rivers.
It will be a beautiful river again before folks remember to chill out, lol.
@jason94095
Pronouns can be deceptive. You say, “They complain that it’s there, then they complain when it’s removed.” The first they is not the same as the second they. The people complaining it’s there are the people that are happy it’s gone and working to help restore the barren landscape. The people complaining about the removal are the people that wanted to keep it.
@jason94095 I pay little attention to complainers. Unlike the lakes they will always be there to complain. I am really inspired and impressed with this project. I will look forward to seeing the transformation. Even in the short term. I was at Copco with a friend the day that they opened the hole in the dam.
@@johnlee7085 oh I know. You can’t satisfy everyone.
A river is water in its loveliest form; rivers have life and sound and movement and infinity of variation, rivers are veins of the earth through which the lifeblood returns to the heart
Saddens me that I won't be here in a hundred years to see it fully restored.
Step 1 of omelet making: Break eggs.
Hang in there, folks. It takes time.
All the folks whining about the dam removal had no problem ignoring the damage the dams were creating or the harm that was caused to the tribes and others living downstream. It was fine when they were having the problems. To me, that is just selfishness and ignorance. For a short time, a few years perhaps, the river may suffer some water quality issues, and then things will return to a more natural state. That's good for everyone. What is needed now is strong protection for all the river's tributaries and the creation of new wetlands within the watershed to feed cool, clean water into the river during the hot, dry summer months. California and Oregon should be returning beavers to every creek and stream within the watershed to do that and paying landowners for any damage the beavers create.
This is the best thing for the Klamath River. Just think of what the area would look like now if they had succeeded in removing the dams twenty years ago. This is a temporary problem created by the short-sighted people who installed the dams. I am sorry for the locals that have to live through the difficult first few years. I have never been so excited to spend time on the Klamath. It will be amazing to watch it recover.
Anyone who is protesting dam removal is ignorant and selfish. If a dam is no longer serving a use other than making a lake front property for a land owner it should be removed to let water flow its natural course.
Ask the forestry service how they will fight forest fires without the water
@@badneed that is a lame reason.
@@badneed Most forrest fires are fought with shovels and fire, very little water unless its being dumped from a plane which can fly and find water.
Those dams provided our area with clean power, 70,000 homes worth. Our population in Siskiyou County is around 44,000 people, and it has the 5th largest county land area, in California. Since their decommissioning, we have consistently lost power in our region without reasons given. I have been told by people in the power business, that we don't have enough power to support our area now and we are having to buy power elsewhere.
The dams also provided cooler water during our dry, hot summer months. With the dams coming down, parts of the river have already hit 80°. The rest of the river is 70°+ during the month of July.
We already had a few fires in the vicinity of the Klamath River where the dams are located. Helicopters were unable to get water from the Klamath River and had to dip into nearby ponds. Loosing that water resource to fight fires is a big loss for this area. Knock on wood, we haven't had any major fires this summer.
I think that it will eventually work out.
So happy!
She’s upset that dead fish are being put back into the river. Does she want to bury them in a Christian burial? Fish die, they die in the water, their bodies break down, and the nutrients go back into the soil and is broken down further by enzymes, fungi, other animals, heck too much benefit to mention. What a loon.
Make fantastic fertilizer, unpleasant to handle but that was a daily early morning ritual for us kids at grandma's resort at Clearlake, CA. Clean the beach and bury the carcasses around rose bushes or whatever. A few buckets would do wonders for a garden.
@@MrbfgrayI use them in my mulch. My soil is super happy.
@@HippieRacing I compost everything, if it was recently living. Fish tho is top shelf stuff. :D)
@@Mrbfgrayyou might be my spirit animal lol
They released fish into the river system right before this video clip, after the initial fish kills from draw downs. To cover up their death, they threw them back into the river so no one would see that they died.
No offense to the guy with the horses but I don’t think horses are Native to America. This is about restoring the national habitat that mankind manipulated and destroyed for a long time.
The river will heal itself, look at other places who are a year post removal and you will be happy and healthier.
The spokespeople for the companies kind of suck. i get they have a hard job but you can tell they are annoyed & they come across as rude, condescending & adversarial
They edited this very oddly. There are multiple other news segments about the project where these same speakers sounded pretty reasonable. They also haven't mentioned that there was over 10 years of planning, engineering, etc., and many opportunities for public engagement. Sounds like these people didn't show up, and the County officials should have made it a point to engage with the project over the years. It's their responsibility.
Left field here, I was just thinking the real tragedy is when the restoration is completely done and housing prices go through the roof and not one person in this video will be able to afford to live there anymore. Except maybe the Chinese dude lol.
One of these days the people will never realize that the government doesn't care.
Bottom line!!!...... you can't please EVERYONE so don't even try!!!!!!!!!!!
As people found out you can't have both it's one or the other
The big snow in of 23 did so much good for the water table of the whole state
The dams were illegal in the first place - they sit on stolen land and violate treaty rights that pre-exist California as a state. The dams destroyed the fish ecology that is a major economic staple for the Yurok who rightfully own the land. The farmers and residents are trespassers on stolen land, and they shed no tears for the Yurok when their land was stolen and their economy was destroyed.
Prepare for the most powerful law in the universe-The Law of Unintended Consequences.
Fortunately, what we know from history is that it repeats itself.
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Free the river! This is a huge win, especially in the long term!
If anyone has a problem with this, they should direct their frustration at the people who built the dam in the first place
Amen brother! Well said.
The problems the people are complaining about are temporary in nature. The fish die-off was expected and predicted. The sediment increase was expected and predicted. The Klamath is not a source of public drinking water.
Good god, people will whine about ANYTHING we do. Whether we do nothing or do something, there will always be whiners.
Whining usually comes from ignorance.
The rural folks of Siskiyou county are some of the stupidest people I've ever met!
I've been here my whole life, I'm used to it, but I still don't like it!
Wait til the water shortages start in the next few years.
What am I waiting for? The reservoirs that were removed along with the dams never provided any water for domestic or agricultural interests. besides, if there really was such a water shortage, couldn't we just pump water out of the river? Those dams were doing nothing but polluting the river and making it unlivable for fish and undrinkable for people.
yet Mr. Leach is ok with the used tires in the water he presumably installed on his dock.
Hayduke is alive?!
And doing quite well, I might add!❤
Sorry but you just can't "right mouse click to change mother nature." This is a big project and requires time. The end will justify the means. Be patient.
it will take time to heal itself
People who blame dam removal for problems caused by the dam don’t deserve to be heard.
People that don't recognize the great benefit to humanity that dams provide while worshipping fish don't deserve to be heard.
This is good, of course the dams have changed the ecosystem and it will take time to adjust back
The CCP in China displaced 1.4 million people for the three gorges dam. Talk about total disregard for humans and the environment. Crummy as the US can be there’re glimmers of compassion for nature Ike this removal project occasionally.
What’s crazy is that some people have lifted China as an example of how to get things done.
@@johnlee7085 You mean steamroll the populace and how the majority of the people feel about a project?? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......
Mark my words:
In 10 to 20 years the same people advocating for dam removal will be complaining about low water levels and flooding..
You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?
@@georgehaydukeiii6396 Dams were built for several reasons.. The fish was a casualty of the dam HOWEVER nobody (including the Yurok whiners) complained about it at the time because the dams made a manmade stop so the Yurok could net WAY more Salmon than ever before..
Now with climate change.. is now the time we need more dams than ever to store and preserve water that is NOT coming in the form of slow melting snow packs but RAIN.. Lots of it quickly..
Where a snow pack releases water over several months into the ecosystem RAIN.. comes and LEAVES in a matter of days at most weeks..
Huge volumes of water will pour down that river flooding low level areas and during dry summers the water level will be so low the river will heat up beyond a Salmons ability to survive (about 70 degrees) and will DIE..
With no dams holding back cool water in the profundal zone (where sunlight does not heat up the water) the river will heat up all the water and make zones that are unsafe for fish to be in..
The Fish will have massive die off.. The Yuroc will complain again like they are bred, born, and raised to do..
I think I have an pretty good idea of what i'm talking about..
@@georgehaydukeiii6396 Time will tell won't it??
People are so narrow sighted , the long term impact of dam removals means cleaner water for everyone , both upstream and downstream
LET THE RIVER HEAL. It will, if you let it.
Any time a government agency says "there's nothing to be concerned about" there's something to be concerned about!
The natural ecosystem will restore itself over time.
It takes time for the river to heal!
In general, a great example how much humans fear change, even if completely irrational.
And the gold miners are fined for their minimal disturbance when operating in or near water.
Demolition is messy, but it will be fine in the long run.