The dam removed on the elwha in Washington state has done nothing but bring back quality to all aspects of life. For everyone around. The fish have returned
This was a pretty good series, but I I wish you could have spent more time documenting the fact that thousands of salmon have been documented spawning in more than 5 tributaries and the mainstem well above the uppermost dam site. The fact is, when the dams were removed, the salmon wasted no time in utilizing the habitat above those dams. This project has been completed ahead of schedule and has been much more successful than most people expected. You could have easily devoted more time to the successful aspects such as all the salmon spawning just weeks after the final breaching of the cofferdam, and less time to the misinformation being spread by a small number of uninformed locals. Thank you for choosing to spend so much time and effort reporting on this monumental project.
thats because the salmon were forced up stream to find clean clear water after the dam removal killed everything below and stilled over all the old salmon gravel spawning beds
@@kryan318So either that sediment found its way up the tributaries below the dams, or the salmon chose not to spawn in the tributaries, and instead chose to continue migrating through the silty mainstem? Come on. The fact is, the salmon thrived in the Klamath River for tens of thousands of years prior to the dams being built. It wasn't until the dams were built that salmon numbers declined precipitously. To put it in simple terms that anyone can understand, those fish have been spawning above the former dam sites for tens, or even hundreds of thousands of years. They have evolved to spawn up there. It's simple, as soon as the dams were removed, the salmon went back to doing what they had always done. It's not that complicated. What's complicated is why so many people feel the need to try to dream up some conspiracy! There is no conspiracy! The dams were removed to allow the salmon access to historical habitat, and to improve water quality by removing three huge reservoirs that were warming the river, concentrating nutrients and growing tons of toxic blue-green algae. Don't try to make this any more complicated than it is.
@@kryan318 I don't know where you're getting your data, but it's inaccurate! I work with many of the biologists that are collecting the field data. There were thousands of fish accurately documented to be spawning above the dams. Don't make statements that you know are incorrect.
I don't get why people don't understand that it takes time for a river system to clean itself out after being opened up from 100 years of stagnation. All those contaminates didn't come from nature, they came from decades of buildup from industry, dumping, spills, boating and many other reasons too I'm sure. Personally I'd rather have a river then a few lakes that only a few can enjoy......they literally just opened up miles of public lands and a corridor of endless surprise for all to enjoy and those who once had lake front now have front row seats to something special.
Correct that a river takes time to regain health. But this is a very rural area, and sediments and metals heavy just built up over 100 years behind the dams in the warm lakes that were artificially created there. There was no industry to speak of. The area is all private property, formerly owned by the power company. Some of it will be given back to tribes. None of it is actually public land, such as a park. The locals just got used to living next to free undeveloped land, but it was NEVER actually a park for their benefit.
The real essence of what is missing both in opponents and proponents of dam removal is the sad reality that very few, if any of them know what a free flowing river that holds historic and intact salmon runs even looks like. In Alaska we have negatively effected our salmon runs, but you can still see. On the Kamchatka Peninsula there are still a few rivers with close to intact runs. It would blow all of their minds to see millions of Pink Salmon, Chum Salmon, King Salmon, Coho Salmon and Sockeyes all in a system, all overlapping in their spawning and the jaw dropping abundance that free flowing, clean and productive rivers produce!
8:30. I'm sorry for the inconvenience of the folks near the lake, but this project has been discussed for over 20 years, and the planning for a dozen years. They bought the store AFTER the dam removal plans were underway. His analogy is completely f@lse. They bought land next to a PRIVATE lake... these were never publicly maintained parks. There's no permanent structure such as a FREEWAY being built. In fact, they're getting more FREE access to property: it's now riverfront, instead of lakefront. If these had been real PUBLIC parks, they would've had to share with thousands of visitors and traffic. The people here had a good deal to be ne t to private lakes - for FREE- it doesn't last forever. A responsible journalist would have corrected his false analogy.
We have the NIMBY’s in my town who have houses on leaky, river depleting, irrigation canals who scream about the canal owners finally piping the canals for better, more efficient water delivery to farmers (and honestly a lot of rich folks pretending to be ranchers with expensive horses). They claim to care about nature (but screw the river and the watershed!) but all they (understandably) want is their little version of water front property.
You must be from Bend Oregon? I have family who live right on a leaky canal. They were told 20 years ago that the canal could be piped, they love being on the canal, but they are sanguine about the prospect of it being piped!
@@manfredstrappen7491 We have that exact same problem with a bunch of rich folks living along an old Talent Irrigation ditch in the hills above Ashland. They claim to be environmentalists that care about natural resources, but when the city and TID plan on fixing the leaks to save precious water resources, they all freak out because the leaky ditches were keeping their yards watered and trees growing abnormally fast. Hypocrites!
Definition of indigenous people. Inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists. Try getting educated before you make ignorant claims. "she wants the territorial government to speak with Indigenous people before implementing a program"
Definition of indigenous people. Inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists. Try getting educated before you make ignorant claims.
The dead salmon they are talking about happened years ago when the dams went in. the dams changed the rivers temperature to a much warmer. Salmon don't like warm water they need cold water to spawn and live in.
the water wasnt warmed by the dams, they actual add colder water to the system. read the studies and temp records. they dont know why the salmon stayed in the lower klamath and never migrated up river. even with the increased flows from the dams
@@kryan318 Please show your data on this topic. While some dams do release colder water from the bottom of the lakes they create, this wasn't the case for these dams. They consistently created significantly warmer conditions on the river below the dams, and there's many years of data showing this. Also, there's no "increased flow" from these particular dams.
@kryan318 I did and have: the data show consistently warner waters. A huge and well known salmon kill in the early 2000s... due to unusually warm waters and low oxygen. There's no evidence that after the dams were installed, the Klamath was colder.
7:54 I love how easily a progressive moral code changes when it's their livelihood that's impacted. Or their lake view property. I know it destroyed the native peoples way of life a hundred years ago but I like playing my flute looking at the water!😢😢 Is it really a core value if you are willing to abandon it so readily?
He's also allowing his cattle to graze on private land (not his). He's also the guy who released "a few" feral horses there...now there are around 200.
Not that this should matter regarding the removal of the dams, but she said that they have been there for over 15,000 years….the tribe has been there for 4,000-6,000 years, which is still a long time, so need to exaggerate the true number of years.
It's nice to see the salmon no more left in the river Dee in Wales because over fishing and pollution in more houses on the river bank and sewage . please think about when you build home's more sewage.from ex river dee fishing man no more because no salmon.
Funny how no one has mentioned the loss of flood protection for the people who live along the Klamath. And without the continual release of water from the dams you will have more die offs in the river during the summer. And the projection of a couple wet years to remove the sediment is ridiculous, we are lucky to have one wet year per decade. Looking back we should have not built any dams on the Klamath, but I have benefited from the diverse fishing opportunities provided by Irongate and Copco Lakes. And from the cheap electricity provided by the dams.
If you do a little research, you'll find out the dams provided very little, if any flood protection at all. They are too high in the system. And as for the power they produced, it was insignificant because the dams were old and inefficient, 1920's and 1950's technology. They needed major maintenance and expensive upgrading to be brought up to modern standards. As far as the fishing, it wasn't going to last much longer, the toxic bluegreen algae was getting so bad that you could hardly fish there after mid June and before mid October. It was fun 20 years ago, I used to bass fish in both of them, but over the last 5 or 6 years 👎🤮 The Yellow perch, LM bass and crappie weren't supposed to be there anyways. Besides, the river will recover, and in about ten years there will be a healthy population of salmon and steelhead that will replace the bass and perch. And I'll take 30 pound salmon or a 15 pound steelhead over 8" perch any day! Bottom line, it was time for them to go.
I’m sorry for the keep the dam people; seeing your river flowing brown and sludgey, and seeing fish die must be bad. I however see it as short term pain for long time gain. It seems a non brainer to spend millions of dollars to restore the river system to what it once was rather than to spend millions of dollars on a concrete wall for a system that is now obsolete, I guess to maintain it so it doesn’t burst to catastrophic effect. And I get it that when you built your house it had lovely lake views, and now it won’t. But it is a view for the few. And you may have a view of a flowing river instead. And tourist dollars may diminish from lake activities to be replaced by fishing activities. And visitors may come to the region to see what happens when you remove a dam wall. Mother Nature is quite robust and with a helping hand from us humans, hopefully it won’t take too long for all the ungliness to disappear and the river to be beautiful once more.
Lol what does water and electricity....Nuclear Power, who ever pushed those windmills bleongs jail, i would say they need someone in the state capital to ensure such calamities dont occure but the sooner we go Nuclear this convaersation will not exist. Electricity and Fresh water and it should be free, save the environment and taxpayers' money, get the customer to the point of sale, 4 day work weeks so we have better families.
So you didn't hear the part where the dams would have to be brought up to the latest standards at the cost of half a billion dollars? And then maintained that way going forward?
I believe the dam removal is ultimately a good thing for the land and those who rely on the river for life but as far as those who paid to have lakeside property should at least be somehow compensated by the state(s) & or federal government for the depreciation of their property as well as creating a greater fire hazard for the area. It’s easy to relate with both groups who are being affected but I ultimately believe that dams should be removed. Those who rely on them need to find another source of life because a dammed lake is completely unnatural
These were PRIVATE lakes on private property , behind aging, medium sized dams. While they do have kinda nice lakefront property, it was likely very inexpensive when they bought it. It's very rural, and scorching hot in the summer... Not exactly a tourist mecca. They got to enjoy private lakeside property, for FREE, for dozens of years. They were never publicly owned or maintained parks, which they would've had to share with thousands of visitors. The dam removal project has some funds available for compensation, and their lazy county representatives should have advocated for them. But the feds or state government doesn't owe these entitled people, at all.
It's not like if there was a highway built in front of their house, like one guy said. They had a lake in front of them, it was cool, but now they will have the view on a beautiful valley with flowers, trees and deers, with the mountains in the background. It seems to me like a nice place for holly days or even live. They can rent kanoes from one point to another; install several discovery tracks and things like that. Be creative with their new landscape. Many people in their life have to change their carrier path, it's not that terrible.
"misinformation and conspiracy theories..." gaslighting 101: translates to... "anyone who questions my authority and knowledge is a crazy lunatic." censorship is fascism. 🍻
lived there, in Seiad they have or had news article photos of the river flooding, it flooded all the towns along the river.It was high on the canyon walls. Also news article of the river drying up and leaving thousands of dead salmon high and dry, the stench reportedly was bad. The dam's fixed all of this and provided power for the community. Good luck, hope you have a plan for these events. You can defend the project all you want but time is the true test. Can't wait for Columbia river dam removals, then Northern Pacific coast will have no hydroelectric power. You will never touch the Snake river in Idaho.
There are still 2 large dams higher up on the Klamath river. None of the 4 removed dams provided any flood control. The 4 lower dams fixed nothing except they provided a small amount of power, and created warm toxic lakes that only nonnative fish could survive in. There was a huge salmon kill around 2005 due to warm and low-oxygenated waters in the river below the dams.... so no, they fixed nothing.
They said the dams provided only 2% of the electricity from the company and they had already installed new infrastructures to replace those 2%. People aren't dumb enough to destroy something which would provide electricity for the population around. Don't be a fool.
@@jeremyatkinson4976 Well, we could expect a smoother way, a non destructive way of doing it. Without killing thousands of fish and millions of invertebrates along the stream. Is that too much to ask ? Empty the lake slowly, remove most of the sediments captured behind the dam, etc. Taking environmental safety measures, and above all, not using dynamite. If you said it was all planned for, it's even more scary. So they planned to destroy all life in the river for months and restart from scratch, from zero ?? A clean dam removing like this should take several years to complete in a safe way for everyone..
@@eh3477 Is that ok to uselessly kill plenty of fish under the excuse that they are not an endangered species ?? They lost all the fish downstream on several miles, which are native and migrating species, they lost millions of invertebrates, insects, frogs and such, and probably also some small mammals or birds which were stuck in the mud. All of that could be avoided by using cleaner methods of dam removal. It's not like there"s only one devastating way of doing it.
@@manfredstrappen7491 your misinformation statement is incorrect the water from the dams is not warmed suface water, it comes from the bottom of the lake which is colder and helps to keep the temperature cooler and and oxygenated even during the hot summer months.
@@kryan318Please show your data on this topic. While some dams do release colder water from the bottom of the lakes they create, this wasn't the case for these dams. They consistently created significantly warmer conditions on the river below the dams, and there's many years of data showing this.
@@eh3477 its in all the documneted and published in the gov and trible reports. a simple google search will provide you with all the data and actual facts oyu are looking for
The dam removed on the elwha in Washington state has done nothing but bring back quality to all aspects of life. For everyone around. The fish have returned
Amen 🙏
This was a pretty good series, but I I wish you could have spent more time documenting the fact that thousands of salmon have been documented spawning in more than 5 tributaries and the mainstem well above the uppermost dam site. The fact is, when the dams were removed, the salmon wasted no time in utilizing the habitat above those dams.
This project has been completed ahead of schedule and has been much more successful than most people expected.
You could have easily devoted more time to the successful aspects such as all the salmon spawning just weeks after the final breaching of the cofferdam, and less time to the misinformation being spread by a small number of uninformed locals.
Thank you for choosing to spend so much time and effort reporting on this monumental project.
thats because the salmon were forced up stream to find clean clear water after the dam removal killed everything below and stilled over all the old salmon gravel spawning beds
@@kryan318So either that sediment found its way up the tributaries below the dams, or the salmon chose not to spawn in the tributaries, and instead chose to continue migrating through the silty mainstem? Come on. The fact is, the salmon thrived in the Klamath River for tens of thousands of years prior to the dams being built. It wasn't until the dams were built that salmon numbers declined precipitously.
To put it in simple terms that anyone can understand, those fish have been spawning above the former dam sites for tens, or even hundreds of thousands of years. They have evolved to spawn up there. It's simple, as soon as the dams were removed, the salmon went back to doing what they had always done. It's not that complicated.
What's complicated is why so many people feel the need to try to dream up some conspiracy! There is no conspiracy! The dams were removed to allow the salmon access to historical habitat, and to improve water quality by removing three huge reservoirs that were warming the river, concentrating nutrients and growing tons of toxic blue-green algae. Don't try to make this any more complicated than it is.
@@kryan318 Well if it's true that's good then. Will speed up the regeneration of the upland biosphere.
it wasnt thousands of fish it was only a few hundred. far below the normal fish count
@@kryan318
I don't know where you're getting your data, but it's inaccurate! I work with many of the biologists that are collecting the field data. There were thousands of fish accurately documented to be spawning above the dams.
Don't make statements that you know are incorrect.
I don't get why people don't understand that it takes time for a river system to clean itself out after being opened up from 100 years of stagnation. All those contaminates didn't come from nature, they came from decades of buildup from industry, dumping, spills, boating and many other reasons too I'm sure. Personally I'd rather have a river then a few lakes that only a few can enjoy......they literally just opened up miles of public lands and a corridor of endless surprise for all to enjoy and those who once had lake front now have front row seats to something special.
Correct that a river takes time to regain health. But this is a very rural area, and sediments and metals heavy just built up over 100 years behind the dams in the warm lakes that were artificially created there. There was no industry to speak of. The area is all private property, formerly owned by the power company. Some of it will be given back to tribes. None of it is actually public land, such as a park. The locals just got used to living next to free undeveloped land, but it was NEVER actually a park for their benefit.
The real essence of what is missing both in opponents and proponents of dam removal is the sad reality that very few, if any of them know what a free flowing river that holds historic and intact salmon runs even looks like. In Alaska we have negatively effected our salmon runs, but you can still see. On the Kamchatka Peninsula there are still a few rivers with close to intact runs. It would blow all of their minds to see millions of Pink Salmon, Chum Salmon, King Salmon, Coho Salmon and Sockeyes all in a system, all overlapping in their spawning and the jaw dropping abundance that free flowing, clean and productive rivers produce!
The Klamath is freed! Lets free the lower Snake River next!
Yes!
What about The Columbia
Super interesting to follow this story from overseas. I hope you continue to follow this story as time goes on!
I salute the people who removed the dams!
8:30. I'm sorry for the inconvenience of the folks near the lake, but this project has been discussed for over 20 years, and the planning for a dozen years. They bought the store AFTER the dam removal plans were underway. His analogy is completely f@lse. They bought land next to a PRIVATE lake... these were never publicly maintained parks.
There's no permanent structure such as a FREEWAY being built. In fact, they're getting more FREE access to property: it's now riverfront, instead of lakefront. If these had been real PUBLIC parks, they would've had to share with thousands of visitors and traffic. The people here had a good deal to be ne t to private lakes - for FREE- it doesn't last forever. A responsible journalist would have corrected his false analogy.
We have the NIMBY’s in my town who have houses on leaky, river depleting, irrigation canals who scream about the canal owners finally piping the canals for better, more efficient water delivery to farmers (and honestly a lot of rich folks pretending to be ranchers with expensive horses). They claim to care about nature (but screw the river and the watershed!) but all they (understandably) want is their little version of water front property.
You must be from Bend Oregon? I have family who live right on a leaky canal. They were told 20 years ago that the canal could be piped, they love being on the canal, but they are sanguine about the prospect of it being piped!
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@@manfredstrappen7491 We have that exact same problem with a bunch of rich folks living along an old Talent Irrigation ditch in the hills above Ashland. They claim to be environmentalists that care about natural resources, but when the city and TID plan on fixing the leaks to save precious water resources, they all freak out because the leaky ditches were keeping their yards watered and trees growing abnormally fast. Hypocrites!
the horse rancher considers himself 'indigenous'?? that is all I needed to hear. overall, I felt you covered both sides well.
I was born here, I am native American. What else do you need?
If he is an indigenous horse rancher, does he do a Horse Acknowledgment?
What else do you call someone who is born in a place where they live?
Definition of indigenous people.
Inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists.
Try getting educated before you make ignorant claims.
"she wants the territorial government to speak with Indigenous people before implementing a program"
Definition of indigenous people.
Inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from before the arrival of colonists.
Try getting educated before you make ignorant claims.
The dead salmon they are talking about happened years ago when the dams went in. the dams changed the rivers temperature to a much warmer. Salmon don't like warm water they need cold water to spawn and live in.
the water wasnt warmed by the dams, they actual add colder water to the system. read the studies and temp records. they dont know why the salmon stayed in the lower klamath and never migrated up river. even with the increased flows from the dams
@@kryan318 Please show your data on this topic. While some dams do release colder water from the bottom of the lakes they create, this wasn't the case for these dams. They consistently created significantly warmer conditions on the river below the dams, and there's many years of data showing this. Also, there's no "increased flow" from these particular dams.
@@eh3477 why dont you get on the internet and do a little research on your own. its not hard to find all the data from the perspective agencies.
@kryan318 I did and have: the data show consistently warner waters. A huge and well known salmon kill in the early 2000s... due to unusually warm waters and low oxygen. There's no evidence that after the dams were installed, the Klamath was colder.
@@kryan318 fish couldn’t get past the dams, your don’t know what you’re talking about.
7:54 I love how easily a progressive moral code changes when it's their livelihood that's impacted. Or their lake view property. I know it destroyed the native peoples way of life a hundred years ago but I like playing my flute looking at the water!😢😢
Is it really a core value if you are willing to abandon it so readily?
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33:31 Rancher saying “right behind me I have cows eating on toxic sediment grass”…. MOVE THOSE COWS !!! hahaha😂
He's also allowing his cattle to graze on private land (not his). He's also the guy who released "a few" feral horses there...now there are around 200.
@@eh3477His name is William Simpson. What he's doing is a form of sabotage, or "Monkey wrenching" He will be dealt with soon.🤬
@@eh3477His name is William Simpson. What he's doing is a form of sabotage, or "Monkey wrenching" He will be dealt with soon.🤬
I have been watching this situation from afar for quite sometime now... and these reports and updates are extremely satisfying.
This has been fascinating to follow. We've tried to master nature and harmed so much of it in progress. Returning the river to it's natural state.
Be nice to see a few dams removed on the east coast also.
LOVELY documentary
Love this project!
I’m so happy about this!! Would love to visit the river one day
Every time we allow the environment to heal itself we all win
This is a prime example of how to do justice & renewal of Mother Earth all in one. Greed poisons us, nature heals us.
Amen
Siuch a cool project
8:42 not too sad, since its mainly a retirement community.
Yup paid for by US!!!! 450 million dollars, this bill should go directly to the Yurok Tribe!
Ha, ha, Juniper 9549, pay up!$$$$$
@ Oh I do monthly, didn’t even ask for a payment plan but got one anyway. Glad you enjoy it. 😎
Not a mention of how the dams' removal will positively affect the land based wider habitat and the endangered fish eating tiny Orca population.
Thank you, John Bartell! and ABC 10 Sacramento.
Difficult issue for all sides. Hope it works out in the long run.
Everyone on both sides will have something to complain about so idk.
23:10 throat tattoo dam removal protester wants to be taken seriously? Lol
Siskiyou county is full of whackadoodles.
I'm sorry but the salmon that you said were your ancestors were raised inside the fish hatchery
Some were, but most are wild.
This is wrong, Klamath is home to wild chinook salmon and steelhead.
Not that this should matter regarding the removal of the dams, but she said that they have been there for over 15,000 years….the tribe has been there for 4,000-6,000 years, which is still a long time, so need to exaggerate the true number of years.
Seriously people it will take time the proper restoration an d people to RESTORE this river .
Now, can we #FreeTheSnake ??
Things change. Damns screwed the original settlers. Now you are complaining. What arrogance!
Bring Owen's lake back!!
The salmon was their first. You don't need a dam you need a water wheel power look at it.
So they're taking four dams in the middle of 12 dams.. but leaving 6 dams in front of the four dams that they're tearing down
No...there are two small dams with fish ladders a ways upstream of the four that were removed. There are no dams below.
It's nice to see the salmon no more left in the river Dee in Wales because over fishing and pollution in more houses on the river bank and sewage . please think about when you build home's more sewage.from ex river dee fishing man no more because no salmon.
There is a dam on the Monquart stream,that doesn't work anymore help us restore the salmon run please help use we have the Blue Green algae 2025
Hasn't anyone heard of a salmon cannon ?
dumb......🙄
@GeorgeWHaydukeIII6396 oh you again
Now we can utilize better hydro electric options that won't have adverse affects and still have it all.😁
7:11 whatever side she’s on is definitely wrong.
Funny how no one has mentioned the loss of flood protection for the people who live along the Klamath. And without the continual release of water from the dams you will have more die offs in the river during the summer. And the projection of a couple wet years to remove the sediment is ridiculous, we are lucky to have one wet year per decade. Looking back we should have not built any dams on the Klamath, but I have benefited from the diverse fishing opportunities provided by Irongate and Copco Lakes. And from the cheap electricity provided by the dams.
If you do a little research, you'll find out the dams provided very little, if any flood protection at all. They are too high in the system.
And as for the power they produced, it was insignificant because the dams were old and inefficient, 1920's and 1950's technology. They needed major maintenance and expensive upgrading to be brought up to modern standards.
As far as the fishing, it wasn't going to last much longer, the toxic bluegreen algae was getting so bad that you could hardly fish there after mid June and before mid October. It was fun 20 years ago, I used to bass fish in both of them, but over the last 5 or 6 years 👎🤮
The Yellow perch, LM bass and crappie weren't supposed to be there anyways. Besides, the river will recover, and in about ten years there will be a healthy population of salmon and steelhead that will replace the bass and perch. And I'll take 30 pound salmon or a 15 pound steelhead over 8" perch any day!
Bottom line, it was time for them to go.
Will the native Americans be commercially netting the salmon ?
How stupid are we ....
Earl, especially the folks around Yreka!
I’m sorry for the keep the dam people; seeing your river flowing brown and sludgey, and seeing fish die must be bad. I however see it as short term pain for long time gain. It seems a non brainer to spend millions of dollars to restore the river system to what it once was rather than to spend millions of dollars on a concrete wall for a system that is now obsolete, I guess to maintain it so it doesn’t burst to catastrophic effect. And I get it that when you built your house it had lovely lake views, and now it won’t. But it is a view for the few. And you may have a view of a flowing river instead. And tourist dollars may diminish from lake activities to be replaced by fishing activities. And visitors may come to the region to see what happens when you remove a dam wall. Mother Nature is quite robust and with a helping hand from us humans, hopefully it won’t take too long for all the ungliness to disappear and the river to be beautiful once more.
"I don't like when american ppl are being mislead" then why is he misleading ppl?
He obviously believes in " alternate facts!"
He obviously believes in " alternate facts!"
Lol what does water and electricity....Nuclear Power, who ever pushed those windmills bleongs jail, i would say they need someone in the state capital to ensure such calamities dont occure but the sooner we go Nuclear this convaersation will not exist. Electricity and Fresh water and it should be free, save the environment and taxpayers' money, get the customer to the point of sale, 4 day work weeks so we have better families.
Why not just build great fish ladders and it would be win win
So you didn't hear the part where the dams would have to be brought up to the latest standards at the cost of half a billion dollars? And then maintained that way going forward?
@jimmurphy6095 oh I had to mis that, Ok then the choice is pretty clear
Fish ladders would not address the fact that the reservoirs created by these dams were warming and polluting the river downstream.
I believe the dam removal is ultimately a good thing for the land and those who rely on the river for life but as far as those who paid to have lakeside property should at least be somehow compensated by the state(s) & or federal government for the depreciation of their property as well as creating a greater fire hazard for the area. It’s easy to relate with both groups who are being affected but I ultimately believe that dams should be removed. Those who rely on them need to find another source of life because a dammed lake is completely unnatural
These were PRIVATE lakes on private property , behind aging, medium sized dams. While they do have kinda nice lakefront property, it was likely very inexpensive when they bought it. It's very rural, and scorching hot in the summer... Not exactly a tourist mecca. They got to enjoy private lakeside property, for FREE, for dozens of years. They were never publicly owned or maintained parks, which they would've had to share with thousands of visitors.
The dam removal project has some funds available for compensation, and their lazy county representatives should have advocated for them. But the feds or state government doesn't owe these entitled people, at all.
It's not like if there was a highway built in front of their house, like one guy said. They had a lake in front of them, it was cool, but now they will have the view on a beautiful valley with flowers, trees and deers, with the mountains in the background. It seems to me like a nice place for holly days or even live.
They can rent kanoes from one point to another; install several discovery tracks and things like that. Be creative with their new landscape.
Many people in their life have to change their carrier path, it's not that terrible.
@@eh3477
Amen.
Now need to get rid of all the invasive willows in the river, clogging it with sand bars that are not natural, thanks forest service you thought wrong
You are neither a botanist nor a biologist! Your opinion on this matter is worthless!
I fear that this will be significantly slowed or even stopped under the Trump administration.
Let's hope not!
"misinformation and conspiracy theories..." gaslighting 101: translates to... "anyone who questions my authority and knowledge is a crazy lunatic." censorship is fascism. 🍻
They discussed for 20 years and made hundreds or meetings with people. That's not what is called censorship.
lived there, in Seiad they have or had news article photos of the river flooding, it flooded all the towns along the river.It was high on the canyon walls. Also news article of the river drying up and leaving thousands of dead salmon high and dry, the stench reportedly was bad. The dam's fixed all of this and provided power for the community. Good luck, hope you have a plan for these events. You can defend the project all you want but time is the true test. Can't wait for Columbia river dam removals, then Northern Pacific coast will have no hydroelectric power. You will never touch the Snake river in Idaho.
Time will prove you wrong then
There are still 2 large dams higher up on the Klamath river. None of the 4 removed dams provided any flood control. The 4 lower dams fixed nothing except they provided a small amount of power, and created warm toxic lakes that only nonnative fish could survive in. There was a huge salmon kill around 2005 due to warm and low-oxygenated waters in the river below the dams.... so no, they fixed nothing.
They said the dams provided only 2% of the electricity from the company and they had already installed new infrastructures to replace those 2%.
People aren't dumb enough to destroy something which would provide electricity for the population around.
Don't be a fool.
@@eh3477Very well put! Thanks for stating some important facts.
why dont you do a story on all the native and endangered species that were killed during the removal including the sacred suckers
What do you expect, a magic wand? It will take years to settle down, that's expected , planned for.
@@jeremyatkinson4976 so its now ok to kill native, endanger and native sacred fish.
Please share your data with us on all the native and endangered species which were lost.
@@jeremyatkinson4976 Well, we could expect a smoother way, a non destructive way of doing it. Without killing thousands of fish and millions of invertebrates along the stream.
Is that too much to ask ?
Empty the lake slowly, remove most of the sediments captured behind the dam, etc. Taking environmental safety measures, and above all, not using dynamite.
If you said it was all planned for, it's even more scary. So they planned to destroy all life in the river for months and restart from scratch, from zero ??
A clean dam removing like this should take several years to complete in a safe way for everyone..
@@eh3477 Is that ok to uselessly kill plenty of fish under the excuse that they are not an endangered species ??
They lost all the fish downstream on several miles, which are native and migrating species, they lost millions of invertebrates, insects, frogs and such, and probably also some small mammals or birds which were stuck in the mud.
All of that could be avoided by using cleaner methods of dam removal. It's not like there"s only one devastating way of doing it.
Dead Salmon don't Spawn.
They die right after spawning.
Live salmon can’t live in warm, oxygen depleted, dammed rivers.
@@manfredstrappen7491 your misinformation statement is incorrect the water from the dams is not warmed suface water, it comes from the bottom of the lake which is colder and helps to keep the temperature cooler and and oxygenated even during the hot summer months.
@@kryan318Please show your data on this topic. While some dams do release colder water from the bottom of the lakes they create, this wasn't the case for these dams. They consistently created significantly warmer conditions on the river below the dams, and there's many years of data showing this.
@@eh3477 its in all the documneted and published in the gov and trible reports. a simple google search will provide you with all the data and actual facts oyu are looking for
Oh great, DEI hires
You probably don't even know what DEI stands for....🙄
@@GeorgeWHaydukeIII6396 Sounds like you don't understand the plot
Maybe worry about all the round up you use.
I never use the stuff! It's horrible! Glyphosates are killing us all.
Now you have river front property. Quit crying. At least they didn't burn you or like L.A.,MAUI.
I'd much rather have the new riverfront property than that old, stale, stinky, toxic blue-green algae cesspool!