All this is invisible to the “green “ lobby so it doesn’t actually exist.The amount of wasted money and environmental havoc these EV’s will cause will be immeasurable but totally invisible from your penthouse in DC.
It’s only cobalt.These poor people,including women and children work for a paupers wage in extremely dangerous conditions to supply a necessary compound for primarily battery technology.All this needless,extremely dangerous work for what? To rid the earth of Co2 an essential gas whose increased atmospheric concentrations will cause some imaginary positive feedback loop which will destroy humans? Someone needs to alert China,India and the entire developing world since they’re never going to play this childish game.
In minute @6:00 the guy says "que vengan ascinerando" which you translated roughly to "they should come to us with dialogue". That's not a bad translation but the language he uses expresses decades of frustration with companies that have rejected the dialogue previously.
They don't care about destroying even if humans life is lost specially the ones between Mexico and Canada. If they made the banana war in Guatemala yes a war over 🍌🍌🍌🍌 s now imagine rare materials.
A copper mine in northern Arizona leaches into the local stream; the fish cannot be eaten as they are toxic. Birds and goats will die if they drink much of it.
@@SirHackaL0t.clearly you don’t understand how copper deposits work. They are typically found in sulfur compounds at roughly 2-3% at best meaning the other 90+% is just waste which WILL acidify any water that passes over it. Just look at the streams in the coal region of PA if you want to see what happens given enough time.
One thing this report leaves out is all the equipment used to mine and process are combustion engines and coal produced power plants. And it is coat prohibited to change any of this.
@@frankreynolds9930The point is that the more things change, the more they stay the same. These mining practices are destructive to the environment, and can disrupt entire regions. As seen in this documentary. Is the trade off even worth it? But hey, it's not your backyard! Out of sight, out of mind am I right?
@@LynxStarAuto 100 percent!! Only reason their pushing EV is because someone is lining their pockets through the process guaranteed!! All mighty dollar controls it all they dont give a crap about the environment
Imagine someone would find polymetals in Washington and would extract them and blow tons of dust per hour all over the city. What do you think, would that impact the local species ?
@@christerry1773 Or people burning millions barrels of oil every day, without thinking about consequences that we see every day. This one sided video full of lies and nonsense is very sad try to picture BEVs as something worse than ICE.
Why would our government give a crap about efficiency when they spend 250 million to make an app? They literally could not care less! They’ll just spend 50 billion on newly mined copper. The liberals have unlimited funds… while Canadians take the next 100 years paying back all this Trudeau spending.
@elgoldstein3682 everything is bad if it's used on a huge scale. We should create alternatives not replacing I hope we will use Petrol cars, Electric cars and Hydrogen cars at once, not replecing one another and maybe in the future there will be more fuels
People often complain about lithium mines and damaging the Earth but the ratio of the area covered by lithium mines vs coal mines is the same as the the ratio of the state of Delaware to all of Canada, the USA and 1/2 of Mexico combined.
Power still comes from coal, even more than ever before EV's...many, MANY charging stations throughout the whole world use diesel to power the EV's....what was your point again?
@@rikomagic5186 Now wind and solar and renewables are far exceeding coal and diesel burning for electricity generation, in the US at least. The system is not perfect but far better than using an ICE vehicle. What is your point again?
@@Lone-Starr-Schwartz My point was, well, can you even read? I said THE WORLD... The problem with Americans is, they think they ARE the world. Good to see your arrogance, you just made my point.
@@rikomagic5186 Depends where you live. I'm from BC, Canada and our grid is 98% hydroelectric. Even the US is quickly moving toward renewable energy with the Inflation Reduction Act. That last part about diesel motors powering recharging stations is just absurd.
@@PaulMartin-qu5up Again.....worldwide. Even when you have hydroelectrics, you need the grid to support it. I know of no country with a supportive grid so far.
As our US dollar lost more and of its value, and families started really feeling the pinch, I knew that was coming. I was stationed in the Philippines back in the 70s. We used these huge generators on wheels to power up the big C141 & C5 military cargo jets. As soon as the sun went down, people would come out of the jungle with machetes and hacked the big cables off the generators, 3x's the size of EV's. If you got in their way, you were a dead man. For the locals that copper translated into a lot of money. We only stopped it when we placed armed guards with machine guns around each aircraft. As an aircraft technician, I was relieved when I was rotated to the night shift.
@@moepow8160 Sad thing..... first doing bad things such as supporting the oppression of the people, then arguing about the oppressed people stealing copper to have money for food.
Maybe retractable cables that only come out when an ID (through an app or otherwise) has been provided to the station. It’s not an easy problem, but making selling cut EV charging cables illegal and cutting off the market is a good start
@@h20dancing18 what happens when legitimate people show up, key in their codes to lower these charging cables which are now much longer, and while you wait your 30 to 40 minutes to charge your EV, a carload of thieves show up and threaten your life while they take those cables - what are you going to do put armed guards at every EV charging location?
For sure, but EV's are going to drive up the demand for copper to many times the current levels, which means new mines and more destruction. Do the big companies care when there's so much potential money to be made? Probably not.
One of these days people will realise that there simply is no perfect solution for mechanised individual transport… we really need to look more at improving public transit and active travel, while retaining the second-best option (cars) for those without access, such as rural populations
Even in rural areas there is probably a great opportunity for someone to institute a call in transportation model that moves food and parts and picks up people and reduces the number of vehicles on the road if one vehicle can do the same job as 25 or more vehicles.
About the extinction of the polymetallic fields, would it not be possible to work inward from the edges, drop less valuable stones (maybe leftovers from quarries) in the sectors that have already been mined, and then wait for silts to settle and animals to migrate to the new stone fields before continuing to mine? It’s not a perfect solution but loss of habitat can probably be mitigated by providing new habitats elsewhere while we harvest the stuff useful to us. If the polymetallics are also being utilized by the ecosystems as a nutrient, the miners could just yeet a certain percentage over the edge to help reseed the new environments. This is far from a perfect solution and I would like to hear some other peoples’ thoughts on the matter. Always good to learn.
The problem is you have to force companies to do that, and it's so specific and niche it'll be really difficult to get enough support to overcome their lobbying capital.
Such a nice way of thinking. a caring view on how we could mine these with reduced harm to the inhabitants. I dont think it would work like that but I commend your caring attitude.
To whom it may concern to Insider News: Could you do a segment video about manufacturing EVs with and without Petroleum Materials/Products if possible? Thank you!
I presume you're joking to make the point that EVERYTHING nonmetallic on an EV is petroleum based, meaning the entire interior and probably 1/3 of the exterior... and ALL the materials used in the infrastructure to manufacture one of those propaganda elite socialist vehicles uses massive amounts of fossil fuels / petroleum products to make it happen... what people don't get is this isn't a reliable fossil fuel vs inferior renewable energy sources... this is about OVERPOPULATION, MASS CONSUMERISM of frivolous and unnecessary products, and human comfort... Capitalism does create advancements in technology, but it also is very wasteful in making useless products just for profit...
every single piece of a crappy Tesla is made from fossil fuels. really bizarre to think you are saving the planet by buying brand new $50,000 cars. i could buy a $1500 used pontiac and be far far cleaner than any Tesla for a decade since its already been built. EVs will end up at landfills, since only 1.2% of the cars on the road are EV. imagine 90x that amount what a terrible environmental disaster that will be globally.
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@@dtibor5903 steel and aluminium are recycled and little mined (in relative terms), but battery metals are almost mined - very little recycled if any yet, at least
The thing about transitioning from one energy source to another is you have to use the old one to bring in the new. Who could have guessed? More and more manufacturing is done with robots running on electricity and for a company like Tesla, they ensure that is as much renewable energy as possible. It will take a new type of corporation & CEO to ensure our great grandchildren have a habitable planet. We can make 'petroleum products' without burning the stuff and dumping the pollution in the atmospheree. In fact if we stop burning it, there's more for those other 'products' like plastics chems etc.
Lithium mining looks like it’s going to direct extraction from brines. The Salton Sea in California is loaded with brines a mile down and they are already extracting the brines for power generation. So a plant is being readied that will extract the lithium then what’s left is to be pumped back into the ground.
Wrong, some 980mp steel used in ICE gasoline & diesel powered cars, an alloy containing cobalt, vanadium, chromium, silicon, molybdenum. Jet engines used in most airline planes have turbine blades of made of nickel cobalt super alloys that are heat creep resistant when spinning that fast while hot without stretching & maintaining their mechanical strength. So cobalt not just used in lithium ion batteries. Cobalt also used in electroplating for its attractive appearance, hardness, and resistance to oxidation in order to prevent corrosion. In non battery electric marine applications alloys of cobalt, copper & nickel are used for salt water corrosion resistant pipes & parts.
@@christerry1773 And your not getting the point that Cobalt was being unethically mined prior to EVs but no-one cared. All of a sudden everyone cares. If you really care, then go an buy and EV with an LFP battery because they have NO cobalt whereas the ICE vehicle you drive uses some cobalt in the oil refining process. Aaron's point is that the film states clearly there is no cobalt in an ICE vehicle - that statement is wrong - there is Cobalt in the alloys and cobalt is used in Oil refineries. Try looking at the whole picture.
Get up to date with your information. Lithium is found all over the world and 40% is mined in Australia. There is a lot of noise about mining for EV battery material but it is miniscule compared with iron Ore. Last year just 97,000 tonnes of lithium was mined but 3,040,000,0000 tonnes of Iron Ore and no one is complaining about that, why is that ?
iron can be recylced over and over again. Lithium is classified as finite mineral that can't be recycled together with graphite. The mineral content in iron ore is about 400-500kg/ton. That's very high compared to copper where you only can get today 7-8kg / ton steady declining,
@@MikeInc79 Lithium is everywhere, it's even in every cup of sea water. the levels of concentration decides wether it is profitable to extract. Currently there is a Geothermal company, near me, that is extracting Lithium from hot rocks in Cornwall. All materials are finite here on Earth, even Iron but thankfully most are recyclable unlike oil products which are a burn once product and luckily for the planet, we are not making anymore, that process died with the emergence of a fungus that breaks wood down
@@MikeInc79 if Iron is so recycled over and over and over again as you mention, then WHY it STILL gets mined 313 402 times more than Lithium. Is that because most iron is still in use, or because actual recover/recycle rate is not 100? PS! I dont give a crap about EV-s, im in battery storage, thats why it ammuse me how little people know if they read only news headline not whats inside!
Hey Einstein. Iron/steel can be recycled over and over again. Lithium is as I said before a finite mineral that can't be recycled. There's no value for used lithium. Much steel is "stuck" in constructions, cars, busses well everything that's made of steel and contains steel. That's why you must you must mine iron ore. You can never recycle 100% of anything. There is something something from melting metalls called slagg. Have you heard about that before? @@ThomasRaud
@@MikeInc79 That does not hold up, lithium can be extracted from recycled batteries. While not all of it is currently economical to recover, a majority is.
Furthermore there's cobalt in valves, valve seats, pistons, conrods, cranks, transmission gears and the entire structural stell of the vehicle. plus the obvious fact that one could just use lithium iron phospate or sodium ion batteries. both of which don't contain cobalt.
"Could just use" Sodium Ion? Link to a reputable manufacturer and non-prototype, vehicular use please. If you want to state facts, do so. Also, LiFePo cells are great, if you can miss the output that LiPo and LiIon give. Which for EV's... Well, does not work greatly. The fact that ICE uses cobalt, does that make it okay for EV? Or is it just as bad *(which it is), and just a form of "but they are doing it TOO!"?
Also people assume that there will be no alternative to lithium, and yet sodium batteries are on the verge. Being fine alternatives for LFP batteries. All in all lithium mining is still miniscule compared to other mining processes.
The problem that's being pointed out is that you have a lot of consequences as a result of the craze of EV that largely want to be ignored. A climate activist wants all things oil ended, but is ok with all this?
@@christerry1773climate scientist here, climate issues are World Wide, mining issues are localized. Twenty years from now the mines will have been shuttered and the people moved on, but the climate will have warmed by more than two degrees with the potential to disrupt food production in whole countries. Ocean waters will have risen enough to displace millions. This is not to say that EVs will save us from this, but at the moment they help to pave the way forward to electric transport and renewable energy production. Aircraft and ships are large contributors to the CO2 output and very little is being done about them. Ships could at least go nuclear, but hydrogen or electric aircraft of any normal size are impractical so far. One minor point to note, it is already cost effective to mine lithium batteries.
Working from home can potentially reduce use of vehicles of all types. The Covid pandemic has shown that working from home is more practical than previously thought.
Commercial Real Estate owners who are losing $$$ want the old way back. They are often first in jumping on the EV charging station bandwagon -despite no one being in the building. Question everything
@@mgcarmkm4520 ask those who live in major capital cities about their air quality. It must be so "healthy" to inhale carbon dioxide all day every day. Just keep burning oil to turn wheels if you are ok with supporting foreign oil and all the wars that are fought over it world wide. EVs are better and there is more materials to build their batteries than you can ever imagine. Scarcity mentality that is imposed on all of us drives the economy.
@@harrison00xXx even bicycle has more materials than just iron and aluminium. Is that what you ride? A bicycle? There is hardly any EV batteries to be recycled at this stage as they trickle down through different use cases. After 20 years in EV they already are sought after in classic car conversions and then they get to be used as home solar energy storage. After around 30 years over 95% of their materials will be recycled and turned into even higher energy density batteries. Their minerals will get even more purified during recycling process increasing their energy density. Can you recycle petrol or diesel after it has been burned?
@@RadoTrenciansky And no, you can not recycle over 95%, maybe from some specific elements but not the entire battery to 95%+, but in general its pretty advanced nowadays, yes. The real issue with recycling... additional harmful chemicals are involved, and you may guessed it the byproduct of the recycling process also ends up in a ecological mess if the released water from the recycling process is not treated and filtered properly, and then the filters end up in a ecological mess to recycle/clean/bury. Where heavy usage of chemicals is involved, there will be sooner or later aftereffects we dont want. I would rather choose CO2 and burning gas/oil/coal and planting trees instead of building cities, artificial nonsense everywhere and no way to let nature "breathe". We can not fix the ecological crysis with EVs and banning ICE vehicles, the real issues are more systematic, depending on greedy elitarian people and their higher profit goals every new year. And yes, you can reverse/recycle burned diesel/petrol... its called e-fuels and with very much energy input you can make out of CO2 and other stuff fuel without releasing additional CO2 (except you think about the fact the energy for e-fuels comes from coal plants mostly, which is a fact...) Also, we dont even have to do anything to reverse this process... nature by itself consumes CO2 and even converts other more harmful exhaust gasses to CO2, just slower than a catalysator or DPF. Im btw also riding a regular bicycle, yes, but do you really mind now basics such as sealings, tires, other materials in disc brakes etc? At this point we could also argue EVs need oil since the gearings need lubrication. Also a offroad e-scooter which fits in my car (a perfect combo btw as hobbyist wildlife photographer)
17:00 Article/video is outdated by current technology. NMC is not the standard battery tech for cars anymore. Modern accumulators (battery is only chargeable once btw) use iron and sulfur and no cobalt or manganese or nickel or zinc.
This is an absolutely brilliant documentary that highlights a very real problem. I have dedicated my life to the invention and development of green and nature friendly technologies. My quote is: " The gears of technology should rotate with the cycles of nature in perfect harmony if we wish to survive. " :)
Well this clip is filled with falsehoods and omissions so who will benefit if this goes viral? They blatantly lied saying china is producing all electric cars millions of them with NMC batteries when CATL and BYD produce almost exclusively LFP batt for electric cars which use no nickel nor cobalt. They didn't mentioned SodiumIon (no lithium, or cobalt or nickel) that are mass produced in china and will replace Lithium based batteries in many applications. And I could go on
Yeah its really funny. Lithium batteries are not exactly a new thing which came with EVs. They have rather been around for decades now - and the process of mining the minerals to produce them has not changed at all. But I guess that fact - omitting EVs from the video title - does not make it polemic enough to be chlickbait
Please also make a True Cost video about the petrol or diesel-powered vehicle and it should start with taking petroleum from underground, the extraction process, the processing, transporting it to petrol pumps, and burning it to the atmosphere, and what happens to it once it is in the atmosphere, and also whether there is an option to recycle the burnt petrol...
Are you disturbed by the fact "green" EVs aren't actually that green? For the first 60,000 miles or so an EV isn't actually greener than an ICE given the amount of pollution caused to build it in the first place.
@@putler965 that's wrong news buddy. The amount of rigging required to get petroleum from the ocean (damages the ocean, uses a ton of unclean energy), then the amount of energy required to refine petroleum into petrol, and the amount of energy required to transport this petrol to petrol pumps, and of course the pollution caused when they are eventually burned...all this combined is much higher than manufacturing batteries which can even be recycled after they degrade. People only check the pollution caused when driving a car, but that is not the only pollution. I hope you get what I said.
@@abhijith_mb Perhaps you can explain that to the engineers and physicists who determined you have to drive at least 60,000 miles to offset the carbon emissions involved in digging minerals out of the earth before an EV is "greener" than an ICE. If an EV is powered using electricity from fossil fuels, it could take as long as 99,419 miles to become "greener". You have to drive 100,000 miles to really get the full benefit, and even then an EV is only about 25-30% greener than an ICE. This is from VDI Gesellschaft Fahrzeug, a German engineering association. But what do they know? I'm sure you know more.
not quite since the cost of living is ever skyrocketing and keep in mind the gentleman said he has 8 kids so a lion's share of that clearly gets swallowed up in paying for their education. little is left to cater for other needs.
@@RickTheMaverick256 nope! Actually, you are wrong and he is right. I have been to the DRC and a two bedroom appartment in Kinshasa, which is the capital city and the most expensive region of the country would typically go for less than 200 dollars a month.
@@alanmay7929 there is, but people don’t complain when they use the lithium on their phones. As battery technology improves/recycling becomes a lot more common places. Things will be cheaper too
But the point of ev is to stop CO2 emission, we need to focus on recycling to solve the issue of having to keep mining the metals and minerals necessary, and I heard that aestroid mining is possible, maybe in the future
Imagine the scale of harmful emissions with the rockets transporting the ore. Including the severely limited weight limits in spaceflight, it will probably never happen. But a net to catch an impacting asteroid could be the next best thing.
A better answer- less consumption. Fewer cars. But with an increasing population, with more and more tech demands, consumption only will rise. And so the earth is a goner no matter how much we don't want it.
There's environmental impacts in any form of innovation. The problem is selling only the sexy points of EV but ignoring everything else. "Look here, don't look there"
Great. Now show us the same thing for oil. The extraction, ship transportation, refining, rail and road transportation, spills, sale and distribution, and infrastructure is all necessary eventually to burn oil into the air. At least battery tech lasts the entire life of the car and can be used for grid storage and then recycled once the life of the vehicle has ended.
To conquer the market, electric cars (EVs) only have to be technically superior to the Internal Combustion Engine cars (ICE). It’s clearly the case. 1. EVs are simpler to make: Tesla, for instance, has reduced the number of pieces for the front part of the vehicle from 70 pieces to only one. (It’s the same thing for the rear part of its vehicles.) 2. Tesla, BYD and Volvo demonstrated that it was possible to produce profitable EVs; something legacy producers like GM or Toyota are unable to do. It’s because they feared bankruptcy that many companies stopped producing EVs. 3. The price of EVs is falling rapidly due to the rapidly falling price of their batteries (- 30% in 2023). 4. No cobalt or nickel are used to produce the most modern EVs. 5. EVs pollute much less than ICE cars, especially when they move. 6. EVs are more stable on roads because their heavy batteries are located at the bottom of the car. 7. EVS protect better their occupants when there is a collision due to the rigidity of their battery packs. 8. There are fewer than ten (10) moving parts in an EV engine compared to more than a thousand in an ICE car. 9. EVs accelerate more rapidly than ICE cars when their drivers try to overtake other cars. 10. The brakes on an EV last much longer due to their regenerative braking system. 11. The dashboard of an EV is much simpler to produce since almost all the controls are on the on-board computer. 12. There are fewer liquids in an EV (windshield cleaning fluid, battery fluid). 13. EVs are roomier than ICE cars because their engines are much smaller. 14. Most technical problems on an EV can be solved ¨over the air¨ without having to go to a dealer. 15. EVs don’t need to go to the dealer for regular maintenance. 16. Everybody can buy an EV on the Internet without having to go to a dealer. 17. Recharging an EV is 80% cheaper than filling the tank of an ICE car. 18. Nowadays, there are multiple ways to produce electricity. (N.B. In 2023, solar panels are the cheapest way to produce electricity). 19. Nowadays, charging stations are everywhere while the number of gas stations is decreasing. 20. Contrary to ICE cars, EVs can be recharged at home. 21. EV owners say they have no problem with the autonomy of their vehicle. 22. If EVs explode from time to time, 200,000 ICE cars explode every year in USA. Etc
24:10 Turns out those nodules in the deep sea produce a lot of oxygen. Those sea areas would become dead zones if the nodules are removed. Long term, it would also effect oxygen content in the atmosphere.
I was reading a study on that as well. Definitely not free stuff. Actually, reminds me of that Indiana Jones scene, where he takes the idol, only to be chased by the giant boulder later.
@@billhacks Why are they so bad for the environment? Because they produce co2? What is the average lifespan of these battery operated cars? Ten years tops? My truck was built 24 years ago. Has not needed a giant mine in Africa for a single part because it has a small lead acid battery to start the motor. The catalytic converter reduces emissions to basically just co2 and nitrogen which are harmless to the environment. One paint job for 24 years. One set of seats for 24 years. It is made mostly of steel which is highly available and recyclable. It doesn't weigh a million pounds like the battery operated trucks so they damage it does to the roads and bridges is way less. Battery powered car owners are delusional to think they are somehow doing the earth a favor by using them instead of regular cars.
We need more plug in hybrids, and diesel electric systems for heavy equipment. Leverage the strengths of petroleum while we still can, and make the leap to full electric that much smaller.
Stretch the battery resources for where they are really needed, most folks only drive a few km a day so if they can charge at home or work a PHEV makes the most environmental sense since they will almost never use fuel until they have a long shopping day or the infrequent road trip. No need hoard batteries for those rare occurrences, if they have a marathon commute or live in an apartment an HEV with a good fuel economy will help stretch battery resources.
Yeah, instead of this it seems we are pushing so hard for huge suv EV's and companies continue to push the range further and further. Then you have the hummer and certain Tesla's and rivians that utilizes enough battery materials for 20 reasonable EV's. I'm sure there are loads of people driving extended range electric vehicles that have the capacity of 300+ miles, but they are making a 20 mile commute round-trip. We need more electric vehicles with small batteries that can be plugged in, and a small supplemental generator.
PHEV is the optimal technology, period. There is simply no need for a 300 mile EV when you could instead have a 50 mile PHEV with a small range extender for the rare occasion it becomes necessary. Bonus: The PHEV also works in winter.
What a beauitful sight to see, the enormous mining lands that supply me with my $50,000 grocery store transportation while I listen to NPR and smile over the rainbows and butterflies that my vehicle emits.
@@paulmerron3947 what?? its way less than electric..... I'll never buy an electric vehicle, I'll buy a diesel before anything electric...... in the few years we have had electric/battery powered vehicles have led to more destruction than the 100+ years of oil.....
@@bobbertee5945 Have you been living on a different planet perhaps. You honestly believe that the pollution caused by mining the materials for EVs is a greater problem than the filthy pollution and major tragedies caused by the fossil fuel industry, all the oil tanker spills around the world devastating whole ecosystems. Exon Valdez for example or the Deepwater horizon disaster. What about the total destruction of parts of northern America in the tar sands. All the people around the world killed in wars about oil. All the people who have died prematurely from respiratory problems cause by pollution from ICE vehicles. Add to all of that mayhem the the amount of Co2 that is being added to our atmosphere from burning fossil fuels contributing to the change in world wide climate. And what are people going to do when they can no longer live where they do now. EVs are by no means perfect, they have their issues. The mining of lithium, cobalt and copper isn't a new thing, it didnt start with EVs, we have been mining and using these materials for years, we just need to mine more now. But the difference is that the materials used in EVs is and will be recycled and used again, oil is just burned once. Cobalt has been used by the fossil fuel industry for many decades, in millions of tons, to remove sulphur from ICE fuels. You need to wake up, open your eyes and really see what is going on with an industry that is seeing the end and desperately trying to hang on to its existence by false propaganda about EVs, and unfortunately you seem to have fallen under their spell. Perhaps you would like to state some of the destruction caused by the manufacture and use of EVs because EVs causing destruction is a new one to me.
@@bobbertee5945 So true. Electric vehicles are heavier, accelerate faster, and tare up roads faster. Just wait till half the population has them and see how fast the roads get torn up and cause not only annoyance but costly tax dollar increases and pollution for all the road base that has oil in it. This move in my opinion to battery powered cars is a joke and in 30 to 50 years from now show to be a dead end. In fact, I think most of us will be dead when our children learn that this solution was way worse than the problem that we are facing right now.
The cost of lithium and Cobalt and nickel have dropped in cost. In the case of Li enviromental methods of extraction the element are being developed. Like the US Salton Sea Li plant is going to use a electrical chemical process to extract the Li. Agricultural wastewater is going to be used to extract the Li. As to energy the Li production is actually a biproduct of geothermal power production. Actually the Li production is going to be the largest base load electrical power source in the US state of California. This sort of enviromentally sound production of materials needed for EV's is possible for all the battery materials needed. Even for sea bed mining. What is needed is international pressure for these materials to be extracted in environmental and social compatable manor.
Are being developed and actually being in use is a huge difference. Lots of "going to"-s, lets see how that plays out when profit isn't as high as they hoped. Especially without funding, which is a sad possibility with the next elections in "murica". Wishful thinking at the moment, not more than that.
Besides investing much more in public transit and shifting away from cars, we could make more efficient use of ev batteries. For example, smaller cars, more efficient cars (e.g. Aptera), robotaxis, and car sharing. Also, if we have more charging stations, then we can use smaller batteries. Or if we move to battery swapping, then we can use a bigger battery only when needed. We can encourage the use of LFP batteries, which are safer and use no nickel, manganese or cobalt; and sodium ion batteries, which use no lithium. And lets think more about our personal contribution to polution when we are deciding on a lifestyle. Most of our consumption in richer countries is not necessary. Can we be happy with less travel and fewer posessions?
Sodium batteries aren't suitable for cars. Because sodium contains less energy compared to lithium, the sodium battery will be much heavier than an LFP-battery. So sodium batteries arent't suitable for vehicles. You still have to mine lithium and phosphate poluting the ground and draing wells on water causing ecological disaster.
All very well but we live in a consumer led society. I personally kind of like that because it means freedom of choice. Besides there a hundreds of jobs and millions of workers who carry tools to job sites. You can't do that with public transport or vehicles like the Aptera.
Battery swaping? What happends if you swap the battery to a battery that is worse than the first one? You have no idea what you’ll get if you swap. Who is responsible if the swapped battery get’s thermal runaway engulfing your whole car in flames? You? The car dealer? Insurance company? The battery swapping company? More charging stations? Let’s give an example. Let’s say you have 20 pumps at a truck stop. It takes five minutes to refill a car. That’s 240 cars / hour. Let’s say it takes one hour to fully charge an EV. To get the same flow we need 240 chargers on at least 250kW! 240 x 250 = 60MW! Add 20 chargers on 1000kW for lorries. 20MW + 60MW = 80MW!! And that’s only for one charging station. 10 of these along a motorway requires an own nuclear reactor. Do we even have a power grid to manage this huge amount of power? No! You see the future doesn’t look so bright for the EV madness if you calculate and asking critical question. “Everything you read on internet about EVs are true. /Tom Jones, drummer Rolling Stones”.
Many new EV batteries don't use Nickel or Cobalt, Tesla are using cobalt-free iron-phosphate (LFP) batteries for most new vehicles. Approximately 95 percent of a lithium-ion battery can be recycled into new batteries at end of life, so due to the size use of EV battery packs and how much cheaper that will be than mining, companies are changing their own batteries it makes sense to use that returned lithium to create new batteries. Copper is going to be mined with or without EVs
LFP batteries, that are starting to be present in more and more EVs, don't use Nickel, Manganese or Cobalt. It would be interesting to know the cons of those too.
Cobalt is used in the refinery process. And not being used in the dominant chemistry lfp. Shall we start talking about the horrors oil has produces. Perfect will always get in the way of better, If your bleading waiting for a tourniquet, instead of using a belt will get you killed.
A lesser evil does not make it good, instead of focusing on one horror, why not talk about both. Both ICE and EVs are killing the planet, if you like it or not.
Well both have issues, but there seems to be much more EV hate than ICE hate. I wonder why if its more friendly overall to the environment. EV battery production is also constantly evolving with new and better technologies that use less of the bad stuff. Oil is oil and wont improve.@@Mediamarked
Electric vehicles aren't the best solution for the environment.. they're simply the profitable new frontier. There's way more better options but the reason we can't have those options it's because nobody is bound to get rich off such ideas. Now we're here dealing with planned obsolescence of everything for Economic gains. Definitely we'll go into records as a species that couldn't save ourselves because there was no profitable way to do it
Question about the lithium production: If they have to solve the salts/minerals including the lithium in water, why don't they use a pipeline or tankers to freight it in a decent contraition as fluid? The transportation of fluids is pretty easy. If they build up a direktly useable conentration of minerals, the following production steps can be reduced.
Great documentary. I want to add, that cobalt is used in oil processing to produce fuel for internal combustion engine cars. So gas cars need cobalt as well as electric.
The bigger point is that the minerals used far outweighs those of petrol vehicles but very few want to pay any attention to those inconvenient details.
Cobalt and nickel and copper are used for other products as well! Not just for car batteries! But nobody complains about that 🤣. For example cobalt is used in drill bits and copper is used for piping and heat pumps!
My honest question: Do we have enough raw materials (also including recycling) to make the energy transition ? I am on with renewable, Nuclear and EV, but it's my biggest concern.
No, and solar panels and wind turbines only last for between 20 and 40 years before they need to be thrown away, and new ones built (using newly mined materials and fossil fuels).
"Conventional combustion engine vehicles don't use any. (cobalt)". Except that they do use it in the production of gasoline and diesel fuel through the desulfurization of crude oil which means they will likely be using more of it than battery vehicles especially since EV's appear to be moving toward zero cobalt.
@@harrison00xXx They do use less but cobalt is a passing phase for EV batteries. There are already millions that don't use it. To be fair though, it is fairly easily recycled whether it's used in oil refining or batteries.
@@christerry1773 😉I'd like to see you operate your ICE with an empty fuel tank. So yes they do require cobalt to operate on the road. Lithium maybe not so much but we already have some vehicles being made with sodium ion batteries and the new chemistries keep coming. Regardless, minerals are not the issue some would have you believe they are. As with many things humans do, it's not that we can't get them or can't get them ethically. It's that we don't for whatever reason. But if you want to talk about ethical lets talk about how ethical oil is both from a geopolitical and environmental perspective.
@@blackwind743 not an issue?? Lol that’s what people would have said about oil a century ago. The bigger point here is the message being sold on EV is don’t worry about what it takes, don’t worry about environment impacts as a result of it. Just ignore all that and believe components just fall from the sky. Just because the bigger in the end is what matters, don’t ignore the consequences and that’s what’s happening
These pools are a very old method as it's the same from almost 100 years. Like add a dome made of glass increase the heat and collect the humidity and tada fresh water and it works faster and if it rains it doesn't make it take longer as the pools didn't get more water from rain. Hell there new technology that can make more then this in 3 to 5 months not 16 to 20 like this method. Also copper is very recycled up to I think 97%. Also car battery's have ben recycled for decades now and the ev one use same process but with up to 3 to 9 more steps but all the other 36 potential steps are already done now in production lines. So just add 3 to 9 more steps too all the already there battery recycled plants.
Not just that, but also no mention of Lithium being mined in the UK! Strange how this video covers some countries and mines here which have some pretty rubbish enviromental records and ancient tech, and not Cornish Lithium which looks to be as green as possible and who also are looking at copper, cobalt and tungsten. This anti-EV crowd really clutch at straws and I bet they don't point at their own mobile phones and gold miining in the same way.
@@katiegoode true but usa is getting back in it. Also city battery's or battery's that will never move don't need lithium and it can be almost as heavy as they like as they don't move.
The problem is the demand for copper is skyhigh. You can today only get 7-8kg copper / ton blasted rock declining. We need untill 2050 so much copper as we have used for 4000 years. This demand is impossble to meet.
@@MikeInc79 if it's a battery pack for a city it can use iron salt and magnesium or a different mix it doesn't need to have copper. Also the weight doesn't matter well to a point that they can be very heavy but since it doesn't move its ok for it to be like 10x heavier then the rest.
a battery pack for a city is ridiculous. How many tons of minerals must be used for this enorumos battery packs? It's already been proven in Australia is doesn't work. Imagine thermal runaway in a such battery pack spewing nerv toxic smoke over urban areas. And it can't even benn estinguished with water. Don't never ever put water on alkali metals! It's better in long term to build stable energy production not intermitent energy sources like solar and wind anf thinking batteries are good energy storage. Absolutley bonkers! @@DeathsGarden-oz9gg
The problem is everyone wants to own a car If we had no personal cars only public transport emissions would reduce by over 70% If countries would manufacture their own goods we wouldn't need to ship everything from china etc But we prefer saying oil is bad and so we move to getting minerals for electric cars
even if every country tried to manufacture there own goods materials will still have to be shipped as some countries have like more copper more steel more aluminum etc same as food some have more beef some sheep etc the lists go on an on
Beyond electrical cars I still do not understand why there is no country that says ok the car engines may be 1.6 or 1.8L at largest and need to run at least 20km on 1L of pertrol/gazoil? This would massively help. And there are still 1.6l engines that go well over 200km/h which is hardly anywhere allowed and can only be driven on some freeways. It does boost as well the technology for better, cheaper, fast and low feul consumption.
The pictured all of those diesel burning heavy machines in the mines all over Africa, but why did the narrator not point out that those machines use fossil fuels, or cover the amount of fossil fuels used by shipping those minerals all over the world with diesel burning trucks? They missed an opportunity to actually give the true cost of mining minerals, which tells me that they actually don't care about giving you all the facts.
Basic math says that some of his facts are wrong. He starts off with the statement that electric cars contain six times as much minerals as internal combustion cars. From a basic physics principle that would mean that electric cars weigh six times as much as gas cars and this just isn’t true. He seems to be discounting the amount of iron and aluminum.
Not really. The list of what he is referencing is on that chart shown. I agree that iron and aluminum can't possibly be referenced from a basic math standpoint, but it's pretty clear that they are referring to more exotic metals. I'm not saying his information is absolutely correct, but when you consider the amount of iron, aluminum, and other common alloys that make up what's under the hood of an I.C.E. vehicle but are not needed in an EV, most EV's still weigh hundreds of pounds more than the equivalently sized I.C.E. counterpart. So it stands to reason that he's not completely wrong.
Have you ever seen how mechanics remove a engine from a car? They use cranes for that and now have a guess what an EV does not have 😉 Your basic math does not work out like that.
One thing that is often overlooked when considering the negative effects of mineral mining is the idea of producing more efficient electric vehicles in order to reduce demand for precious metals in addition to recycling old batteries. Consumers and manufacturers alike tend to se the switch from gas to electric as a new lease on power usage that allows them to have frivolous ( although admittedly very fun) amounts of power in commuter vehicles. If we are really trying to turn over a new leaf, we need to build highly efficient vehicles regardless of the propulsion system(s). Also, the ford lightning is an abomination
Our world is in serious trouble, and many people have no idea as they babble their feel-good platitudes. Videos like this should go viral. It's almost unbelievable what is being done around the world so a number of people can feel good about themselves 'being green'...
It's such a good job that petrol and diesel cars don't use anything that has to be mined or drilled out of the ground. The great gasoline lakes full of sustainable fuel are a god send. Oh wait.
But they don't need cobalt or nickel anymore. People need to realise the famous saying "Necessity is the Mother of Invention". If you ban a bad mineral. Researchers soon find a greener alternative. Even lithium has been replaced with sea-salt in some batteries
doesn't matter. Why would the country use batteries using resources they don't have, while they can make batteries using resources they have..?!. Also, the video says nickel largely use to make stainless steel. who don't need stainless steel..?!
Probably because it does not work as well, because the battery chemistry has been known for literal decades. It is not like companies seek out the more polluting products. If the sodium ion batteries worked as well as the chinese producers (byd) would let you believe, other manufacturers would've massively jumped on it as well. Be honest, do you think a company would choose importing over producing locally, if the local produced Na ion batteries were more effective? The capacity of lithium to store energy is unique, the storage capacity, and discharge capacity of the many different battery chemistries is vastly superior to the alternatives. Shortly said- if you can store a lot of energy, but the battery can't discharge/ charge quick enough, it has no place in an EV.
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For balance, what is the true cost of oil and gas mining / extraction / fracking / refining. And the disastrous accidents. Deep water horizon, Exxon Valdez. Literally almost countless others. How about present a balance picture vs what it is looking to replace / reduce? And, transpo
Perfect is the enemy of good is an aphorism which means insistence on perfection often prevents implementation of good improvements. Extended Range Electric Vehicles or EREVs are vehicles in which propulsion power is provided almost entirely by an electric unit. They are additionally equipped with a small internal combustion engine to generate additional energy. These types of cars are often seen as series hybrids with a much larger battery. With evolving Sodium Ion technologies, EREVs would be a great deployment. No Cobalt, Lithium, Nickel et al. Also, soon motors are starting to be deployed without rare earth elements.
"Lastly, 48 volt EV architecture reduces copper by 70%" Nonsense, compared to what? Also, the motors still need a huge amout of Cu, so i dont get your "argument" at all. Seems for me you are just a EV fanboy trying to argue for your fanboyism
@@harrison00xXx If you double the voltage the amerage is cut in half and yet yields the same power output. By increasing voltage considerably the size of the conductor is reduced.
@@harrison00xXx You are not exactly correct. If you compare the amount of copper in an electric motor that uses 120 volts AC to an electric motor that uses 2800 volts AC there is very little change in the amount of copper. And yet the power potential is increased many times. In the reference to using 48 volts I am guessing that it was compared to a 12 volt DC system which would require huge amounts of copper to do the same work as a 48 volt system because the increase in amperage. I doubt any car manufacturer would use such a low voltage system and is more likely in the 120 volts or high DC.
Cobalt occurs naturally as only one stable isotope, cobalt-59. Cobalt-60 is a commercially important radioisotope, used as a radioactive tracer and for the production of high-energy gamma rays. Cobalt is also used in the petroleum industry as a catalyst when refining crude oil.
I will stick with domestic oil 🛢 and Alberta Canada shale/tar sands. We don't need help from genocidal China that is raping the ocean of fish, raping poor Africans, ans of course there genocide on there own ppl. I am happy with my v8 camaro ss , v8 Nissan Titan truck, v8 chevy tahoe.😊😊😊. I heat my home with affordable and flexible home heating oil [ I don't need to pay a giant GAS Monopoly, I have private oil delivery services 😊. We be lucky if electric replaces public transportation, and basically ignorant dorks like al gore will be there EVs to look hip and green 💚
Technically he's right about the sea nodule extraction producing no environmental damage from tailings, at least on the ocean, since the nodules will be refined elsewhere, however the additional mud extracted in the process has to be dumped somewhere, surely right behind the harvester as it goes along, but that mud wont just sit idly on the seafloor, it'll be deposited in a silty cloud that could have significant effects on the sealife there.
Lol that's what the producer of this video WANTS you to think...as that is what is deeply implied and given your response they have done it successfully. Noticed how they spent over 10 minutes implying what you said...and then in the last 15 seconds a small offset mention about how the biggest EV manufacture in the world had switched from using Nickle to a battery that uses NO nickel at all for MOST of their vehicles...LOL. That is a pretty important detail that they put in a throw away comment at the tail-end of the segment. In fact its so big of a deal because the rest of the entire industry is making this move...Its called LFP Lithium Iron Phosphate. And the reason behind it is much bigger...all though this video tried to imply that a letter to tesla complaining about environmental issues is the reason for the switch (LOL, spoiler alert...it wasn't) The switch was made for financial reasons because LFP is way more readily available and is MUCH cheaper....which is way more impactful for environmentalist because companies are way more likely to actually change their plans based on financial reasons than environmental ones which is why the ENTIRE industry have already made this switch like I said. So no their will be no giant Nickle boom due to EVs because only the highest of performance vehicles actually need to rely on nickel...but of course this video implies the opposite. Just like implying artesian mining of cobalt is some huge part of the process....when its not. They spent 95% of the cobalt segment talking about what is less than 10% (that's being generous) of the industry. This is what we call...Propaganda folks...
Next video about the true cost of oil extraction using fracking? Not against this type of reporting at all, but it's interesting that the attacks on EV's seem relentless when the popularity is rising.
That's because EV 'green' propaganda needs to be called out. We've had countless videos about the cost of oil extraction for decades. Most people can't think past the lack of tailpipe emissions on EVs.
Did you watch the end of the video? If not, start at 30:00 and watch to the end. I'll summarize for you. EV's have a lower environmental impact over the lifetime of the vehicle.
@@Optimistprime. well if you did watch it they do make a stink about EVs and the horrendous abuse of nickel and cobalt mining in some countries or was this not in the segment?
@@Optimistprime. @ourworld287 Sure but why don't they make a video about using cobalt for drill bits for example? It is clear that this video is targeting in a bad way EVs...
I can see in your video that residents have problems with the mines. It is clear to see the year 2016. But the Chinese company got those mines in 2018-2020. Western colonial countries are behind African power. Like in Mali. They are the main exporter of uranium for Western reactors. The whole 50 France reactors use their Uranium. The market price is $200 and France is getting it for $8. It is economic colonialism protected by NATO.
What they dont mention, is this push for EV's is motivating battery manafacturing companies and car manafacturing companies, to fund and research alternatives to current battery technology. Battery technologies that's also used in our smart watches, tablets, phones, laptops, power tools, TV remotes, etc. Without the sudden increase of demand for batteries we would continue to be dependent on lithium in the longrun and battery manafacturing companies wouldn't spend the time and money to research alternatives to lithium prolonging the harm caused by extraction and processing of lithium.
Aren't we still dependent on it though? It is possible that research will have another lithium-like breakthrough. But that new tech will need to be available on the same scale. Not many elements are as energy dense as lithium, and lithium is the most efficient at the moment. Uphill battles aren't won by wishfull thinking alone, keep the reality in mind that research does not equate to "new tech incoming in 3. 2. 1...."
@@Mediamarked If ya actually looked into it, and bothered to understand the issue and actually understand how these things work. Then you'd realize once companies, universities, etc. get funding things happen. Alot of people already have ideas, but require funding to test and impliment those idea, which lead to competitors trying to improve on those idea or find better alternatives, overcome engineering difficulties. They discover the bennifits, or downfalls of these idea, leading to better idea's. Then it takes manafacturing tooling to get developed, new supply lines, Distrobution lines have to be setup. Consumers have to adopt these "new" ideas. Which leads to further innovations, reduction is manafacturing costs bringing down the costs to consumers. Just think when cars were first invented and manafactured. Going from horse and carriage. No roads, No gas stations. No infractructure. People would have said the same thing back then about cars/trucks as fools say about electric cars/trucks now. People who just consume and dont understand these process of technological innovation sit back and bicker instead of trying to understand or forsee how inovations and engineering solutions that currently make it sound like a bad idea will in time be overcome. Do the research. Lots of Idea's are currenty being developed thanks to this move to force companies to start switching to EV's. now the current timeline given by government is.... unrealistic but a good move in the right direction. But thanks to the push many alternatives to lithium are currently in the testing phase with promising results. Longer lasting, faster charging, lower risk of explosion, made from recyclable matterials, operable in wider temperature ranges. One solution may be better for warmer climates, Other may work for colder climates. For starters just youtube alternatives to lithium batteries. This is the age of information. Ignorance is a choice. You have a computer in your pocket with more computing power than entirety of NASA when they put a man on the moon. It's connected to all the libraries, databases, universities around the world. This issue is about more than just EV's. It'll bennifit anything that uses batteries to on or off grid homes. Even the electrical grid itself. It'll provide solution to things we cant forsee. Putting humans on the moon lead to more comfortable beds, Cordless power tools and many other technological advancements came from NASA as unforseen results of the race to the moon.
I was born and bred in the coal region of Northeastern Pennsylvania. Come on a drive by sometimes and see the scarring and damage the coal industry of 200 years ago wreaked upon we who live in the middle of it
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'Artisanal Mining' is one of the best "spins" I have ever come across.
Yeah like why use that word like that, it has different connotative now
All this is invisible to the “green “ lobby so it doesn’t actually exist.The amount of wasted money and environmental havoc these EV’s will cause will be immeasurable but totally invisible from your penthouse in DC.
You gotta play with words now to be able to continuously exploit something. Make it sound good, no one will bat an eye.
@@KinghtGalahad I guess child exploitation for the virtue signaling of wealthy supercilious morons who love Joe,sounded a little harsh.
It’s only cobalt.These poor people,including women and children work for a paupers wage in extremely dangerous conditions to supply a necessary compound for primarily battery technology.All this needless,extremely dangerous work for what? To rid the earth of Co2 an essential gas whose increased atmospheric concentrations will cause some imaginary positive feedback loop which will destroy humans?
Someone needs to alert China,India and the entire developing world since they’re never going to play this childish game.
In minute @6:00 the guy says "que vengan ascinerando" which you translated roughly to "they should come to us with dialogue". That's not a bad translation but the language he uses expresses decades of frustration with companies that have rejected the dialogue previously.
He said sincerando which means they should be up front, sincere with them.
Sincere is the closest word to sincerando in English.
They don't care about destroying even if humans life is lost specially the ones between Mexico and Canada. If they made the banana war in Guatemala yes a war over 🍌🍌🍌🍌 s now imagine rare materials.
A copper mine in northern Arizona leaches into the local stream; the fish cannot be eaten as they are toxic. Birds and goats will die if they drink much of it.
We have copper pipes in our houses and many other uses of it. It’s nothing new or unique to BEVs.
@@SirHackaL0t. Did he claim it was? no
@@bluemamba5317 the whole point of the video?
@@SirHackaL0t. Sucks that all the other stuff leaking is so toxic eh
@@SirHackaL0t.clearly you don’t understand how copper deposits work. They are typically found in sulfur compounds at roughly 2-3% at best meaning the other 90+% is just waste which WILL acidify any water that passes over it. Just look at the streams in the coal region of PA if you want to see what happens given enough time.
Save the climate by destroying the earth. Great thinking.
One thing this report leaves out is all the equipment used to mine and process are combustion engines and coal produced power plants. And it is coat prohibited to change any of this.
bonkers isnt it the whole thing is just bonkers
That's not the point. There will be less ICE vehicles in the street which reduces pollution.
@@frankreynolds9930The point is that the more things change, the more they stay the same. These mining practices are destructive to the environment, and can disrupt entire regions. As seen in this documentary. Is the trade off even worth it?
But hey, it's not your backyard! Out of sight, out of mind am I right?
@@LynxStarAuto yes it is. Very easy to research this btw
@@LynxStarAuto 100 percent!! Only reason their pushing EV is because someone is lining their pockets through the process guaranteed!! All mighty dollar controls it all they dont give a crap about the environment
In the end, nothing is done without costs. For any situation, there are no solutions, only tradeoffs.
This is the most accurate comment. 100% true and what is actually happening, just trade offs.
@@johnnewton3592 with an attitude of "as long as it's not in my backyard"! The exploitation of the poor countries does not bother anyone.
If oil comes out of the ground naturally how exactly is it bad if oil is spill on the ground?
@@mastercreamer1398 are you really that dim?
@@davidperry7128I’ve never had anyone answer it
Imagine someone would find polymetals in Washington and would extract them and blow tons of dust per hour all over the city. What do you think, would that impact the local species ?
How fresh Mountain Dew is mined for our refreshment.
I've been saying "it's all natural" it's just not part of their branding
People are so blinded by the sexy selling points of EV and don't want to think about consequences of any kind.
It’s got electrolytes! ⚡️
@@Dudeguymansir good one
@@christerry1773 Or people burning millions barrels of oil every day, without thinking about consequences that we see every day. This one sided video full of lies and nonsense is very sad try to picture BEVs as something worse than ICE.
Old copper telephone cables can be replaced by optical fiber and the copper can be recycled.
Fantastic. Is there a point to the comment?
See nothing wrong with replacing copper with synthetic polymers?
Why would our government give a crap about efficiency when they spend 250 million to make an app? They literally could not care less! They’ll just spend 50 billion on newly mined copper. The liberals have unlimited funds… while Canadians take the next 100 years paying back all this Trudeau spending.
@elgoldstein3682 everything is bad if it's used on a huge scale. We should create alternatives not replacing
I hope we will use Petrol cars, Electric cars and Hydrogen cars at once, not replecing one another and maybe in the future there will be more fuels
@@emmanuelgoldstein3682 what is wrong with using copper?
People often complain about lithium mines and damaging the Earth but the ratio of the area covered by lithium mines vs coal mines is the same as the the ratio of the state of Delaware to all of Canada, the USA and 1/2 of Mexico combined.
Power still comes from coal, even more than ever before EV's...many, MANY charging stations throughout the whole world use diesel to power the EV's....what was your point again?
@@rikomagic5186 Now wind and solar and renewables are far exceeding coal and diesel burning for electricity generation, in the US at least. The system is not perfect but far better than using an ICE vehicle. What is your point again?
@@Lone-Starr-Schwartz My point was, well, can you even read?
I said THE WORLD...
The problem with Americans is, they think they ARE the world.
Good to see your arrogance, you just made my point.
@@rikomagic5186 Depends where you live. I'm from BC, Canada and our grid is 98% hydroelectric. Even the US is quickly moving toward renewable energy with the Inflation Reduction Act.
That last part about diesel motors powering recharging stations is just absurd.
@@PaulMartin-qu5up Again.....worldwide.
Even when you have hydroelectrics, you need the grid to support it.
I know of no country with a supportive grid so far.
That water looks so refreshing and tasty 😩
forbidden gatorade
Forbidden fanta 😂😂😂
So, you would rather see the water covered with black oil, birds and mammals dying covered with oil?
@@hokroegeroh shut up. It's not a choice between one or the other.
it is@@Floedekage
Apparently a new and profitable source of CU is the charging stations. Thieves are cutting off the charging cables for the CU.
As our US dollar lost more and of its value, and families started really feeling the pinch, I knew that was coming. I was stationed in the Philippines back in the 70s. We used these huge generators on wheels to power up the big C141 & C5 military cargo jets. As soon as the sun went down, people would come out of the jungle with machetes and hacked the big cables off the generators, 3x's the size of EV's. If you got in their way, you were a dead man. For the locals that copper translated into a lot of money. We only stopped it when we placed armed guards with machine guns around each aircraft. As an aircraft technician, I was relieved when I was rotated to the night shift.
@@moepow8160 Sad thing..... first doing bad things such as supporting the oppression of the people, then arguing about the oppressed people stealing copper to have money for food.
@@harrison00xXx only bad if you’re a commie
Maybe retractable cables that only come out when an ID (through an app or otherwise) has been provided to the station. It’s not an easy problem, but making selling cut EV charging cables illegal and cutting off the market is a good start
@@h20dancing18 what happens when legitimate people show up, key in their codes to lower these charging cables which are now much longer, and while you wait your 30 to 40 minutes to charge your EV, a carload of thieves show up and threaten your life while they take those cables - what are you going to do put armed guards at every EV charging location?
Now wasn't that defunct copper mine there before EVs were even mass produced?
For sure, but EV's are going to drive up the demand for copper to many times the current levels, which means new mines and more destruction. Do the big companies care when there's so much potential money to be made? Probably not.
Its funny to see that they are focusing on EVs that has about 89 kg (176LBS) in them wail a normal house would has about 200 kg (439LBS) . Funny
@@tootallno "wail".... you mean "while"? Anyways, your argument is nonsense as expected by your "mistake" already
@@harrison00xXx What you mean??
@@tonyb3629 How much copper does an ev contain? 89 kg wail a normal house has 200 kg and we are increasing building too
Which other industry uses cobalt?
The Oil industry to remove the sulphur from petrol. Vast quantities of it.
One of these days people will realise that there simply is no perfect solution for mechanised individual transport… we really need to look more at improving public transit and active travel, while retaining the second-best option (cars) for those without access, such as rural populations
Even in rural areas there is probably a great opportunity for someone to institute a call in transportation model that moves food and parts and picks up people and reduces the number of vehicles on the road if one vehicle can do the same job as 25 or more vehicles.
try telling that to some of the extreme activists. They're deflect from every point being made!
@@kerrryschultz2904It already exists. Uber and lyft, and there absolutely non-existent is rural areas. Rural people need vehicles, electric or not.
About the extinction of the polymetallic fields, would it not be possible to work inward from the edges, drop less valuable stones (maybe leftovers from quarries) in the sectors that have already been mined, and then wait for silts to settle and animals to migrate to the new stone fields before continuing to mine? It’s not a perfect solution but loss of habitat can probably be mitigated by providing new habitats elsewhere while we harvest the stuff useful to us. If the polymetallics are also being utilized by the ecosystems as a nutrient, the miners could just yeet a certain percentage over the edge to help reseed the new environments.
This is far from a perfect solution and I would like to hear some other peoples’ thoughts on the matter. Always good to learn.
The problem is you have to force companies to do that, and it's so specific and niche it'll be really difficult to get enough support to overcome their lobbying capital.
A little voice in my head is saying, "we'll be sorry!"
Such a nice way of thinking. a caring view on how we could mine these with reduced harm to the inhabitants. I dont think it would work like that but I commend your caring attitude.
that would require the use of MILLIONS of gallons of fossil fuel to transport that material. sort of defeats the purpose of your EV pipedream.
And what is your estimate of the gallons of fuel burned in drilling/mining and transporting of fossil fuels then?
To whom it may concern to Insider News: Could you do a segment video about manufacturing EVs with and without Petroleum Materials/Products if possible? Thank you!
Seems like steel and aluminium used in all vehicles grows on trees and needs no mining i guess
I presume you're joking to make the point that EVERYTHING nonmetallic on an EV is petroleum based, meaning the entire interior and probably 1/3 of the exterior... and ALL the materials used in the infrastructure to manufacture one of those propaganda elite socialist vehicles uses massive amounts of fossil fuels / petroleum products to make it happen... what people don't get is this isn't a reliable fossil fuel vs inferior renewable energy sources... this is about OVERPOPULATION, MASS CONSUMERISM of frivolous and unnecessary products, and human comfort... Capitalism does create advancements in technology, but it also is very wasteful in making useless products just for profit...
every single piece of a crappy Tesla is made from fossil fuels. really bizarre to think you are saving the planet by buying brand new $50,000 cars. i could buy a $1500 used pontiac and be far far cleaner than any Tesla for a decade since its already been built. EVs will end up at landfills, since only 1.2% of the cars on the road are EV. imagine 90x that amount what a terrible environmental disaster that will be globally.
@@dtibor5903 steel and aluminium are recycled and little mined (in relative terms), but battery metals are almost mined - very little recycled if any yet, at least
The thing about transitioning from one energy source to another is you have to use the old one to bring in the new. Who could have guessed?
More and more manufacturing is done with robots running on electricity and for a company like Tesla, they ensure that is as much renewable energy as possible.
It will take a new type of corporation & CEO to ensure our great grandchildren have a habitable planet. We can make 'petroleum products' without burning the stuff and dumping the pollution in the atmospheree. In fact if we stop burning it, there's more for those other 'products' like plastics chems etc.
That sea floor mowing is a ecological death sentence. Especially if it's scaled up, trowling already devastated so many habitats.
Lithium mining looks like it’s going to direct extraction from brines. The Salton Sea in California is loaded with brines a mile down and they are already extracting the brines for power generation. So a plant is being readied that will extract the lithium then what’s left is to be pumped back into the ground.
And how much fossil fuels will be used to produce and maintain this massive project…..it ALWAYS comes back to fossil fuels
@@theword2011 Probably not much since there is a power plant that uses the heat of the planet to produce energy.
I believe they started lithium extraction from the salton sea a month or two ago.
Wrong, some 980mp steel used in ICE gasoline & diesel powered cars, an alloy containing cobalt, vanadium, chromium, silicon, molybdenum. Jet engines used in most airline planes have turbine blades of made of nickel cobalt super alloys that are heat creep resistant when spinning that fast while hot without stretching & maintaining their mechanical strength. So cobalt not just used in lithium ion batteries. Cobalt also used in electroplating for its attractive appearance, hardness, and resistance to oxidation in order to prevent corrosion. In non battery electric marine applications alloys of cobalt, copper & nickel are used for salt water corrosion resistant pipes & parts.
cobalt is also used for refining fossil fuels.
You're not getting the bigger point here.
@@christerry1773 very few of them do. Blind to reality.
@@christerry1773 And your not getting the point that Cobalt was being unethically mined prior to EVs but no-one cared. All of a sudden everyone cares. If you really care, then go an buy and EV with an LFP battery because they have NO cobalt whereas the ICE vehicle you drive uses some cobalt in the oil refining process. Aaron's point is that the film states clearly there is no cobalt in an ICE vehicle - that statement is wrong - there is Cobalt in the alloys and cobalt is used in Oil refineries. Try looking at the whole picture.
Get up to date with your information. Lithium is found all over the world and 40% is mined in Australia.
There is a lot of noise about mining for EV battery material but it is miniscule compared with iron Ore.
Last year just 97,000 tonnes of lithium was mined but 3,040,000,0000 tonnes of Iron Ore and no one is complaining about that, why is that ?
iron can be recylced over and over again. Lithium is classified as finite mineral that can't be recycled together with graphite. The mineral content in iron ore is about 400-500kg/ton. That's very high compared to copper where you only can get today 7-8kg / ton steady declining,
@@MikeInc79 Lithium is everywhere, it's even in every cup of sea water. the levels of concentration decides wether it is profitable to extract. Currently there is a Geothermal company, near me, that is extracting Lithium from hot rocks in Cornwall.
All materials are finite here on Earth, even Iron but thankfully most are recyclable unlike oil products which are a burn once product and luckily for the planet, we are not making anymore, that process died with the emergence of a fungus that breaks wood down
@@MikeInc79 if Iron is so recycled over and over and over again as you mention, then WHY it STILL gets mined 313 402 times more than Lithium. Is that because most iron is still in use, or because actual recover/recycle rate is not 100?
PS! I dont give a crap about EV-s, im in battery storage, thats why it ammuse me how little people know if they read only news headline not whats inside!
Hey Einstein. Iron/steel can be recycled over and over again. Lithium is as I said before a finite mineral that can't be recycled. There's no value for used lithium. Much steel is "stuck" in constructions, cars, busses well everything that's made of steel and contains steel. That's why you must you must mine iron ore. You can never recycle 100% of anything. There is something something from melting metalls called slagg. Have you heard about that before?
@@ThomasRaud
@@MikeInc79 That does not hold up, lithium can be extracted from recycled batteries. While not all of it is currently economical to recover, a majority is.
At 15:44 you state that internal combustion engine vehicles dont use any. This is false as refining oil uses cobalt as a catalyst
Furthermore there's cobalt in valves, valve seats, pistons, conrods, cranks, transmission gears and the entire structural stell of the vehicle.
plus the obvious fact that one could just use lithium iron phospate or sodium ion batteries. both of which don't contain cobalt.
"Could just use" Sodium Ion? Link to a reputable manufacturer and non-prototype, vehicular use please. If you want to state facts, do so.
Also, LiFePo cells are great, if you can miss the output that LiPo and LiIon give. Which for EV's... Well, does not work greatly.
The fact that ICE uses cobalt, does that make it okay for EV? Or is it just as bad *(which it is), and just a form of "but they are doing it TOO!"?
The bigger point here is that the minerals used for EV's are far greater than that of Petroleum.
@@Mediamarked well said. I'm suprised the MuskRat didn't bring up "solid state batteries" that will be available next year.... 90 years in a row!
You must be referring to Toyota
Also people assume that there will be no alternative to lithium, and yet sodium batteries are on the verge. Being fine alternatives for LFP batteries. All in all lithium mining is still miniscule compared to other mining processes.
If you think that then you was obviously ignoring the issues🤦🏾♀️. Use your damn brain for once
The problem that's being pointed out is that you have a lot of consequences as a result of the craze of EV that largely want to be ignored. A climate activist wants all things oil ended, but is ok with all this?
@@christerry1773climate scientist here, climate issues are World Wide, mining issues are localized. Twenty years from now the mines will have been shuttered and the people moved on, but the climate will have warmed by more than two degrees with the potential to disrupt food production in whole countries. Ocean waters will have risen enough to displace millions.
This is not to say that EVs will save us from this, but at the moment they help to pave the way forward to electric transport and renewable energy production. Aircraft and ships are large contributors to the CO2 output and very little is being done about them. Ships could at least go nuclear, but hydrogen or electric aircraft of any normal size are impractical so far.
One minor point to note, it is already cost effective to mine lithium batteries.
key word: "still". Not for long.
They said in the video, it's just how much mileage you get out of the battery as to which minerals are in it.
Very good. A comparison of the effects of EV against the petroleum industry. Minus the petroleum industry.
None of these ever talk about the damage petroleum extraction causes. Metals are also recyclable
@@sethl3702which one used during the whole production and during the charging of EV
Working from home can potentially reduce use of vehicles of all types. The Covid pandemic has shown that working from home is more practical than previously thought.
Smart answer. By eliminating or considerably reducing by smart application is very helpful for the planet.
Commercial Real Estate owners who are losing $$$ want the old way back. They are often first in jumping on the EV charging station bandwagon -despite no one being in the building.
Question everything
I won't be buying an electric car.
@@nickbourne3202 You are truly mssing out on a great experience
We have not perfected storage. You need to produce almost double your energy usage store it and release it for use at night time.
Great. Now do oil.
That's right. Because all the minerals, metals and materials to manufacture internal combustion engine cars grow on trees. :)
Nobody is claiming that ICE vehicles are saving the world though , unlike EVs.
Yeah, aluminium and iron, its so rare... just dont talk if you have no clue
@@mgcarmkm4520 ask those who live in major capital cities about their air quality. It must be so "healthy" to inhale carbon dioxide all day every day. Just keep burning oil to turn wheels if you are ok with supporting foreign oil and all the wars that are fought over it world wide. EVs are better and there is more materials to build their batteries than you can ever imagine. Scarcity mentality that is imposed on all of us drives the economy.
@@harrison00xXx even bicycle has more materials than just iron and aluminium. Is that what you ride? A bicycle? There is hardly any EV batteries to be recycled at this stage as they trickle down through different use cases. After 20 years in EV they already are sought after in classic car conversions and then they get to be used as home solar energy storage. After around 30 years over 95% of their materials will be recycled and turned into even higher energy density batteries. Their minerals will get even more purified during recycling process increasing their energy density. Can you recycle petrol or diesel after it has been burned?
@@RadoTrenciansky And no, you can not recycle over 95%, maybe from some specific elements but not the entire battery to 95%+, but in general its pretty advanced nowadays, yes.
The real issue with recycling... additional harmful chemicals are involved, and you may guessed it the byproduct of the recycling process also ends up in a ecological mess if the released water from the recycling process is not treated and filtered properly, and then the filters end up in a ecological mess to recycle/clean/bury. Where heavy usage of chemicals is involved, there will be sooner or later aftereffects we dont want. I would rather choose CO2 and burning gas/oil/coal and planting trees instead of building cities, artificial nonsense everywhere and no way to let nature "breathe".
We can not fix the ecological crysis with EVs and banning ICE vehicles, the real issues are more systematic, depending on greedy elitarian people and their higher profit goals every new year.
And yes, you can reverse/recycle burned diesel/petrol... its called e-fuels and with very much energy input you can make out of CO2 and other stuff fuel without releasing additional CO2 (except you think about the fact the energy for e-fuels comes from coal plants mostly, which is a fact...)
Also, we dont even have to do anything to reverse this process... nature by itself consumes CO2 and even converts other more harmful exhaust gasses to CO2, just slower than a catalysator or DPF.
Im btw also riding a regular bicycle, yes, but do you really mind now basics such as sealings, tires, other materials in disc brakes etc? At this point we could also argue EVs need oil since the gearings need lubrication.
Also a offroad e-scooter which fits in my car (a perfect combo btw as hobbyist wildlife photographer)
17:00 Article/video is outdated by current technology. NMC is not the standard battery tech for cars anymore. Modern accumulators (battery is only chargeable once btw) use iron and sulfur and no cobalt or manganese or nickel or zinc.
It is common FUD, at this point. One moron makes up some stuff, and then 10 to 100 bigger morons repeat it.
This is an absolutely brilliant documentary that highlights a very real problem. I have dedicated my life to the invention and development of green and nature friendly technologies. My quote is: " The gears of technology should rotate with the cycles of nature in perfect harmony if we wish to survive. " :)
This needs to go viral how is this better for the planet
Every option is bad for the planet. Most people already know it. The question is what option is the least damaging.
Well this clip is filled with falsehoods and omissions so who will benefit if this goes viral? They blatantly lied saying china is producing all electric cars millions of them with NMC batteries when CATL and BYD produce almost exclusively LFP batt for electric cars which use no nickel nor cobalt. They didn't mentioned SodiumIon (no lithium, or cobalt or nickel) that are mass produced in china and will replace Lithium based batteries in many applications. And I could go on
Yeah its really funny. Lithium batteries are not exactly a new thing which came with EVs. They have rather been around for decades now - and the process of mining the minerals to produce them has not changed at all.
But I guess that fact - omitting EVs from the video title - does not make it polemic enough to be chlickbait
Please also make a True Cost video about the petrol or diesel-powered vehicle and it should start with taking petroleum from underground, the extraction process, the processing, transporting it to petrol pumps, and burning it to the atmosphere, and what happens to it once it is in the atmosphere, and also whether there is an option to recycle the burnt petrol...
Are you disturbed by the fact "green" EVs aren't actually that green? For the first 60,000 miles or so an EV isn't actually greener than an ICE given the amount of pollution caused to build it in the first place.
@@putler965 that's wrong news buddy. The amount of rigging required to get petroleum from the ocean (damages the ocean, uses a ton of unclean energy), then the amount of energy required to refine petroleum into petrol, and the amount of energy required to transport this petrol to petrol pumps, and of course the pollution caused when they are eventually burned...all this combined is much higher than manufacturing batteries which can even be recycled after they degrade. People only check the pollution caused when driving a car, but that is not the only pollution. I hope you get what I said.
@@abhijith_mb Perhaps you can explain that to the engineers and physicists who determined you have to drive at least 60,000 miles to offset the carbon emissions involved in digging minerals out of the earth before an EV is "greener" than an ICE. If an EV is powered using electricity from fossil fuels, it could take as long as 99,419 miles to become "greener".
You have to drive 100,000 miles to really get the full benefit, and even then an EV is only about 25-30% greener than an ICE. This is from VDI Gesellschaft Fahrzeug, a German engineering association. But what do they know? I'm sure you know more.
@@putler965 yeah
@@putler965 No one "determined" anything like that. You are likely quoting FUD you do not even understand?
$300 USD a week in DRC must be like $3000 a week in the US.
not quite since the cost of living is ever skyrocketing and keep in mind the gentleman said he has 8 kids so a lion's share of that clearly gets swallowed up in paying for their education. little is left to cater for other needs.
@@RickTheMaverick256 nope! Actually, you are wrong and he is right. I have been to the DRC and a two bedroom appartment in Kinshasa, which is the capital city and the most expensive region of the country would typically go for less than 200 dollars a month.
Great program you have these days. I watched from Moscow yesterday and today from St. Petersburg. amazing
I just love the narration as well as the topics.
Can listen for hours
Once the EV’s become big enough the recycling process will just take over and things will become cheaper and cheaper
That doesn't mean that companies are going to dig up dump site to recycle the previously used and thrown out batteries.
@@guardianoffire8814they are dumping batteries did you not watch the full episode?
unfortunately its not going to be the case! there is still a very long way to go.
@@alanmay7929 there is, but people don’t complain when they use the lithium on their phones. As battery technology improves/recycling becomes a lot more common places. Things will be cheaper too
But the point of ev is to stop CO2 emission, we need to focus on recycling to solve the issue of having to keep mining the metals and minerals necessary, and I heard that aestroid mining is possible, maybe in the future
by then there will be no earth, all the rich people will be trying to HOMESTEAD asteriods LOL.
Imagine the scale of harmful emissions with the rockets transporting the ore. Including the severely limited weight limits in spaceflight, it will probably never happen. But a net to catch an impacting asteroid could be the next best thing.
A better answer- less consumption. Fewer cars. But with an increasing population, with more and more tech demands, consumption only will rise. And so the earth is a goner no matter how much we don't want it.
There's environmental impacts in any form of innovation. The problem is selling only the sexy points of EV but ignoring everything else. "Look here, don't look there"
Ahhh yes no CO2 (plant food) no plants ?
Mark Mariano is my hero lmao he seems like a lot of fun
Great. Now show us the same thing for oil. The extraction, ship transportation, refining, rail and road transportation, spills, sale and distribution, and infrastructure is all necessary eventually to burn oil into the air. At least battery tech lasts the entire life of the car and can be used for grid storage and then recycled once the life of the vehicle has ended.
Mate, 30% of all marine traffic and 40% of all freight train traffic is fossil fuels.
He says conversational ICE cars don’t use cobalt, YES they do, it’s used to produce petroleum.
The number one dominant species on earth is cars.
That's a scary sentence and at the same time an interesting perspective.
nah ants
Can't beat the ants!
The Pixar Cinematic Universe was prophecy.
No, it's cows.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Sounds like a great name for a convenience store.
To conquer the market, electric cars (EVs) only have to be technically superior to the Internal Combustion Engine cars (ICE). It’s clearly the case.
1. EVs are simpler to make: Tesla, for instance, has reduced the number of pieces for the front part of the vehicle from 70 pieces to only one. (It’s the same thing for the rear part of its vehicles.)
2. Tesla, BYD and Volvo demonstrated that it was possible to produce profitable EVs; something legacy producers like GM or Toyota are unable to do. It’s because they feared bankruptcy that many companies stopped producing EVs.
3. The price of EVs is falling rapidly due to the rapidly falling price of their batteries (- 30% in 2023).
4. No cobalt or nickel are used to produce the most modern EVs.
5. EVs pollute much less than ICE cars, especially when they move.
6. EVs are more stable on roads because their heavy batteries are located at the bottom of the car.
7. EVS protect better their occupants when there is a collision due to the rigidity of their battery packs.
8. There are fewer than ten (10) moving parts in an EV engine compared to more than a thousand in an ICE car.
9. EVs accelerate more rapidly than ICE cars when their drivers try to overtake other cars.
10. The brakes on an EV last much longer due to their regenerative braking system.
11. The dashboard of an EV is much simpler to produce since almost all the controls are on the on-board computer.
12. There are fewer liquids in an EV (windshield cleaning fluid, battery fluid).
13. EVs are roomier than ICE cars because their engines are much smaller.
14. Most technical problems on an EV can be solved ¨over the air¨ without having to go to a dealer.
15. EVs don’t need to go to the dealer for regular maintenance.
16. Everybody can buy an EV on the Internet without having to go to a dealer.
17. Recharging an EV is 80% cheaper than filling the tank of an ICE car.
18. Nowadays, there are multiple ways to produce electricity. (N.B. In 2023, solar panels are the cheapest way to produce electricity).
19. Nowadays, charging stations are everywhere while the number of gas stations is decreasing.
20. Contrary to ICE cars, EVs can be recharged at home.
21. EV owners say they have no problem with the autonomy of their vehicle.
22. If EVs explode from time to time, 200,000 ICE cars explode every year in USA.
Etc
This video really didnt fool as many viewers as insider news would have liked, did it
Neutralize the chemicals in the toxic water? Nah...
Use guns to scare away birds? Yep, that ought to do it.
24:10 Turns out those nodules in the deep sea produce a lot of oxygen. Those sea areas would become dead zones if the nodules are removed. Long term, it would also effect oxygen content in the atmosphere.
I was reading a study on that as well. Definitely not free stuff.
Actually, reminds me of that Indiana Jones scene, where he takes the idol, only to be chased by the giant boulder later.
Is there a "True cost" video like this for gas cars ?
no because youre only supposed to think about the environment when its something that threatens the petrochemical capitalists
It is pretty well established that they are terrible for the environment. What company is promoting them in the same way as electric?
@@billhacks why not ?
Of course there is not. They are EV haters without common sense
@@billhacks Why are they so bad for the environment? Because they produce co2? What is the average lifespan of these battery operated cars? Ten years tops? My truck was built 24 years ago. Has not needed a giant mine in Africa for a single part because it has a small lead acid battery to start the motor. The catalytic converter reduces emissions to basically just co2 and nitrogen which are harmless to the environment. One paint job for 24 years. One set of seats for 24 years. It is made mostly of steel which is highly available and recyclable. It doesn't weigh a million pounds like the battery operated trucks so they damage it does to the roads and bridges is way less. Battery powered car owners are delusional to think they are somehow doing the earth a favor by using them instead of regular cars.
We need more plug in hybrids, and diesel electric systems for heavy equipment. Leverage the strengths of petroleum while we still can, and make the leap to full electric that much smaller.
Stretch the battery resources for where they are really needed, most folks only drive a few km a day so if they can charge at home or work a PHEV makes the most environmental sense since they will almost never use fuel until they have a long shopping day or the infrequent road trip. No need hoard batteries for those rare occurrences, if they have a marathon commute or live in an apartment an HEV with a good fuel economy will help stretch battery resources.
Yeah, instead of this it seems we are pushing so hard for huge suv EV's and companies continue to push the range further and further. Then you have the hummer and certain Tesla's and rivians that utilizes enough battery materials for 20 reasonable EV's. I'm sure there are loads of people driving extended range electric vehicles that have the capacity of 300+ miles, but they are making a 20 mile commute round-trip. We need more electric vehicles with small batteries that can be plugged in, and a small supplemental generator.
PHEV is the optimal technology, period. There is simply no need for a 300 mile EV when you could instead have a 50 mile PHEV with a small range extender for the rare occasion it becomes necessary. Bonus: The PHEV also works in winter.
Chinese BEV works in Winter. It is their regulation to pass winter test. @@N20Joe
More diesel electric for heavy equipment, how is that better than a straight diesel drive?
What a beauitful sight to see, the enormous mining lands that supply me with my $50,000 grocery store transportation while I listen to NPR and smile over the rainbows and butterflies that my vehicle emits.
Cobalt free battery market share is 31% and growing with virtually no LFP manufacturing outside of China.
This really didn't change my mind about getting an electric car.
It wasn't supposed to.
I dont think it was intended to change your mind. Perhaps they will do a film on the appalling devastation cause by oil extraction.
@@paulmerron3947 what?? its way less than electric..... I'll never buy an electric vehicle, I'll buy a diesel before anything electric...... in the few years we have had electric/battery powered vehicles have led to more destruction than the 100+ years of oil.....
@@bobbertee5945 Have you been living on a different planet perhaps. You honestly believe that the pollution caused by mining the materials for EVs is a greater problem than the filthy pollution and major tragedies caused by the fossil fuel industry, all the oil tanker spills around the world devastating whole ecosystems. Exon Valdez for example or the Deepwater horizon disaster. What about the total destruction of parts of northern America in the tar sands. All the people around the world killed in wars about oil. All the people who have died prematurely from respiratory problems cause by pollution from ICE vehicles. Add to all of that mayhem the the amount of Co2 that is being added to our atmosphere from burning fossil fuels contributing to the change in world wide climate. And what are people going to do when they can no longer live where they do now.
EVs are by no means perfect, they have their issues. The mining of lithium, cobalt and copper isn't a new thing, it didnt start with EVs, we have been mining and using these materials for years, we just need to mine more now. But the difference is that the materials used in EVs is and will be recycled and used again, oil is just burned once. Cobalt has been used by the fossil fuel industry for many decades, in millions of tons, to remove sulphur from ICE fuels.
You need to wake up, open your eyes and really see what is going on with an industry that is seeing the end and desperately trying to hang on to its existence by false propaganda about EVs, and unfortunately you seem to have fallen under their spell.
Perhaps you would like to state some of the destruction caused by the manufacture and use of EVs because EVs causing destruction is a new one to me.
@@bobbertee5945 So true. Electric vehicles are heavier, accelerate faster, and tare up roads faster. Just wait till half the population has them and see how fast the roads get torn up and cause not only annoyance but costly tax dollar increases and pollution for all the road base that has oil in it. This move in my opinion to battery powered cars is a joke and in 30 to 50 years from now show to be a dead end. In fact, I think most of us will be dead when our children learn that this solution was way worse than the problem that we are facing right now.
The cost of lithium and Cobalt and nickel have dropped in cost. In the case of Li enviromental methods of extraction the element are being developed. Like the US Salton Sea Li plant is going to use a electrical chemical process to extract the Li. Agricultural wastewater is going to be used to extract the Li. As to energy the Li production is actually a biproduct of geothermal power production. Actually the Li production is going to be the largest base load electrical power source in the US state of California. This sort of enviromentally sound production of materials needed for EV's is possible for all the battery materials needed. Even for sea bed mining. What is needed is international pressure for these materials to be extracted in environmental and social compatable manor.
Are being developed and actually being in use is a huge difference. Lots of "going to"-s, lets see how that plays out when profit isn't as high as they hoped. Especially without funding, which is a sad possibility with the next elections in "murica". Wishful thinking at the moment, not more than that.
Besides investing much more in public transit and shifting away from cars, we could make more efficient use of ev batteries. For example, smaller cars, more efficient cars (e.g. Aptera), robotaxis, and car sharing. Also, if we have more charging stations, then we can use smaller batteries. Or if we move to battery swapping, then we can use a bigger battery only when needed.
We can encourage the use of LFP batteries, which are safer and use no nickel, manganese or cobalt; and sodium ion batteries, which use no lithium. And lets think more about our personal contribution to polution when we are deciding on a lifestyle. Most of our consumption in richer countries is not necessary. Can we be happy with less travel and fewer posessions?
Sodium batteries aren't suitable for cars. Because sodium contains less energy compared to lithium, the sodium battery will be much heavier than an LFP-battery. So sodium batteries arent't suitable for vehicles. You still have to mine lithium and phosphate poluting the ground and draing wells on water causing ecological disaster.
All very well but we live in a consumer led society. I personally kind of like that because it means freedom of choice. Besides there a hundreds of jobs and millions of workers who carry tools to job sites. You can't do that with public transport or vehicles like the Aptera.
Battery swaping? What happends if you swap the battery to a battery that is worse than the first one? You have no idea what you’ll get if you swap. Who is responsible if the swapped battery get’s thermal runaway engulfing your whole car in flames? You? The car dealer? Insurance company? The battery swapping company?
More charging stations?
Let’s give an example.
Let’s say you have 20 pumps at a truck stop. It takes five minutes to refill a car. That’s 240 cars / hour.
Let’s say it takes one hour to fully charge an EV. To get the same flow we need 240 chargers on at least 250kW! 240 x 250 = 60MW! Add 20 chargers on 1000kW for lorries. 20MW + 60MW = 80MW!!
And that’s only for one charging station.
10 of these along a motorway requires an own nuclear reactor.
Do we even have a power grid to manage this huge amount of power? No!
You see the future doesn’t look so bright for the EV madness if you calculate and asking critical question.
“Everything you read on internet about EVs are true. /Tom Jones, drummer Rolling Stones”.
Many new EV batteries don't use Nickel or Cobalt, Tesla are using cobalt-free iron-phosphate (LFP) batteries for most new vehicles.
Approximately 95 percent of a lithium-ion battery can be recycled into new batteries at end of life, so due to the size use of EV battery packs and how much cheaper that will be than mining, companies are changing their own batteries it makes sense to use that returned lithium to create new batteries.
Copper is going to be mined with or without EVs
LFP batteries, that are starting to be present in more and more EVs, don't use Nickel, Manganese or Cobalt. It would be interesting to know the cons of those too.
Cobalt is used in the refinery process. And not being used in the dominant chemistry lfp. Shall we start talking about the horrors oil has produces. Perfect will always get in the way of better, If your bleading waiting for a tourniquet, instead of using a belt will get you killed.
A lesser evil does not make it good, instead of focusing on one horror, why not talk about both. Both ICE and EVs are killing the planet, if you like it or not.
@@Mediamarked very true what's your solution? Should oppress people into submission?
Well both have issues, but there seems to be much more EV hate than ICE hate. I wonder why if its more friendly overall to the environment. EV battery production is also constantly evolving with new and better technologies that use less of the bad stuff. Oil is oil and wont improve.@@Mediamarked
USA: Mexico gimme control over your lithium reserves!
México: No
USA media: "The The True Cost Of Mining Electric Car Battery Metals"
Spoiler alert: it’s expensive
@@wmpx34and super toxic and in a decade it will be used only for old tech that nobody wants
Don’t worry, the US has plenty of reserves of their own.
@@benjaminanderson7066 omg it's paradise
Electrolysis graphic has the electrodes marked incorrectly!!!
Electric vehicles aren't the best solution for the environment.. they're simply the profitable new frontier.
There's way more better options but the reason we can't have those options it's because nobody is bound to get rich off such ideas.
Now we're here dealing with planned obsolescence of everything for Economic gains.
Definitely we'll go into records as a species that couldn't save ourselves because there was no profitable way to do it
Question about the lithium production:
If they have to solve the salts/minerals including the lithium in water, why don't they use a pipeline or tankers to freight it in a decent contraition as fluid? The transportation of fluids is pretty easy. If they build up a direktly useable conentration of minerals, the following production steps can be reduced.
Great documentary. I want to add, that cobalt is used in oil processing to produce fuel for internal combustion engine cars. So gas cars need cobalt as well as electric.
Any documentary that omits that obvious fact isn't really a great documentary IMO
i think he focused more on the manufacturing of the IC car itself not needing cobalt
The bigger point is that the minerals used far outweighs those of petrol vehicles but very few want to pay any attention to those inconvenient details.
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The people on this planet are in for a rude awakening if things don't change.
Cobalt and nickel and copper are used for other products as well! Not just for car batteries! But nobody complains about that 🤣. For example cobalt is used in drill bits and copper is used for piping and heat pumps!
Never forget that the EV isn't there to save the planet. It's there to save the car industry.
My honest question: Do we have enough raw materials (also including recycling) to make the energy transition ?
I am on with renewable, Nuclear and EV, but it's my biggest concern.
No, and solar panels and wind turbines only last for between 20 and 40 years before they need to be thrown away, and new ones built (using newly mined materials and fossil fuels).
3:48
“My phone, oh no!!
Not like this, not in the lithium!”
"Conventional combustion engine vehicles don't use any. (cobalt)". Except that they do use it in the production of gasoline and diesel fuel through the desulfurization of crude oil which means they will likely be using more of it than battery vehicles especially since EV's appear to be moving toward zero cobalt.
they use much less than needed for EV battery production, just dont be silly
@@harrison00xXx They do use less but cobalt is a passing phase for EV batteries. There are already millions that don't use it. To be fair though, it is fairly easily recycled whether it's used in oil refining or batteries.
Do they require those minerals to actually drive on the road? No. Do EV's require those elements to operate on the road? Yes.
@@christerry1773 😉I'd like to see you operate your ICE with an empty fuel tank. So yes they do require cobalt to operate on the road. Lithium maybe not so much but we already have some vehicles being made with sodium ion batteries and the new chemistries keep coming. Regardless, minerals are not the issue some would have you believe they are. As with many things humans do, it's not that we can't get them or can't get them ethically. It's that we don't for whatever reason. But if you want to talk about ethical lets talk about how ethical oil is both from a geopolitical and environmental perspective.
@@blackwind743 not an issue?? Lol that’s what people would have said about oil a century ago. The bigger point here is the message being sold on EV is don’t worry about what it takes, don’t worry about environment impacts as a result of it. Just ignore all that and believe components just fall from the sky. Just because the bigger in the end is what matters, don’t ignore the consequences and that’s what’s happening
These pools are a very old method as it's the same from almost 100 years.
Like add a dome made of glass increase the heat and collect the humidity and tada fresh water and it works faster and if it rains it doesn't make it take longer as the pools didn't get more water from rain.
Hell there new technology that can make more then this in 3 to 5 months not 16 to 20 like this method.
Also copper is very recycled up to I think 97%.
Also car battery's have ben recycled for decades now and the ev one use same process but with up to 3 to 9 more steps but all the other 36 potential steps are already done now in production lines.
So just add 3 to 9 more steps too all the already there battery recycled plants.
Not just that, but also no mention of Lithium being mined in the UK! Strange how this video covers some countries and mines here which have some pretty rubbish enviromental records and ancient tech, and not Cornish Lithium which looks to be as green as possible and who also are looking at copper, cobalt and tungsten. This anti-EV crowd really clutch at straws and I bet they don't point at their own mobile phones and gold miining in the same way.
@@katiegoode true but usa is getting back in it.
Also city battery's or battery's that will never move don't need lithium and it can be almost as heavy as they like as they don't move.
The problem is the demand for copper is skyhigh. You can today only get 7-8kg copper / ton blasted rock declining. We need untill 2050 so much copper as we have used for 4000 years. This demand is impossble to meet.
@@MikeInc79 if it's a battery pack for a city it can use iron salt and magnesium or a different mix it doesn't need to have copper.
Also the weight doesn't matter well to a point that they can be very heavy but since it doesn't move its ok for it to be like 10x heavier then the rest.
a battery pack for a city is ridiculous. How many tons of minerals must be used for this enorumos battery packs? It's already been proven in Australia is doesn't work. Imagine thermal runaway in a such battery pack spewing nerv toxic smoke over urban areas. And it can't even benn estinguished with water. Don't never ever put water on alkali metals! It's better in long term to build stable energy production not intermitent energy sources like solar and wind anf thinking batteries are good energy storage. Absolutley bonkers! @@DeathsGarden-oz9gg
The problem is everyone wants to own a car
If we had no personal cars only public transport emissions would reduce by over 70%
If countries would manufacture their own goods we wouldn't need to ship everything from china etc
But we prefer saying oil is bad and so we move to getting minerals for electric cars
even if every country tried to manufacture there own goods materials will still have to be shipped as some countries have like more copper more steel more aluminum etc same as food some have more beef some sheep etc the lists go on an on
@@ruffnut743 let only essential things be shipped. Not people in the UK shipping a Plastic bottle from china
Beyond electrical cars I still do not understand why there is no country that says ok the car engines may be 1.6 or 1.8L at largest and need to run at least 20km on 1L of pertrol/gazoil? This would massively help. And there are still 1.6l engines that go well over 200km/h which is hardly anywhere allowed and can only be driven on some freeways. It does boost as well the technology for better, cheaper, fast and low feul consumption.
The pictured all of those diesel burning heavy machines in the mines all over Africa, but why did the narrator not point out that those machines use fossil fuels, or cover the amount of fossil fuels used by shipping those minerals all over the world with diesel burning trucks? They missed an opportunity to actually give the true cost of mining minerals, which tells me that they actually don't care about giving you all the facts.
Can we have a video on true cost of extraction of fossil fuels and what an absolute horror story that is?
The oil and gas industry wouldn't want that, would it? ;-)
Notice how this channel just repeatedly says “experts agree” without saying who really said that.
I hate that crap.
experts, the operative is "EX"
Why don't you look into it? It's called research.
Ex being the unknown factor and Spurt being a Drip under pressure , there’s your Expert !
Are they experts, really, or are they activists posing as experts?
Basic math says that some of his facts are wrong. He starts off with the statement that electric cars contain six times as much minerals as internal combustion cars. From a basic physics principle that would mean that electric cars weigh six times as much as gas cars and this just isn’t true. He seems to be discounting the amount of iron and aluminum.
Not really. The list of what he is referencing is on that chart shown. I agree that iron and aluminum can't possibly be referenced from a basic math standpoint, but it's pretty clear that they are referring to more exotic metals.
I'm not saying his information is absolutely correct, but when you consider the amount of iron, aluminum, and other common alloys that make up what's under the hood of an I.C.E. vehicle but are not needed in an EV, most EV's still weigh hundreds of pounds more than the equivalently sized I.C.E. counterpart. So it stands to reason that he's not completely wrong.
Have you ever seen how mechanics remove a engine from a car?
They use cranes for that and now have a guess what an EV does not have 😉
Your basic math does not work out like that.
One thing that is often overlooked when considering the negative effects of mineral mining is the idea of producing more efficient electric vehicles in order to reduce demand for precious metals in addition to recycling old batteries. Consumers and manufacturers alike tend to se the switch from gas to electric as a new lease on power usage that allows them to have frivolous ( although admittedly very fun) amounts of power in commuter vehicles. If we are really trying to turn over a new leaf, we need to build highly efficient vehicles regardless of the propulsion system(s). Also, the ford lightning is an abomination
1969 humans went to the moon, why in 55 years have we not been able to develop off world mining?
Very thorough and informative. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Our world is in serious trouble, and many people have no idea as they babble their feel-good platitudes. Videos like this should go viral. It's almost unbelievable what is being done around the world so a number of people can feel good about themselves 'being green'...
This reminds me of Exxon Valdez, Deepwater Horizon, Atlantic Empress, Amoco Cadiz... Oil Spills
I'm glad someone said it. Perfect always gets in the way of better
Easy solution, just buy from Canada and Australia, or face customer and shareholder revolt.
The transition from ICE to EV is the same music different dance.
the spicy lithium juice looks so tasty 😋
Oil taste better
I've heard it's quite mellowing too....
you remind me of Musk fanbois clapping and cheering when he blows up another rocket. Meanwhile, Bezos is quietly killing it.
It's such a good job that petrol and diesel cars don't use anything that has to be mined or drilled out of the ground. The great gasoline lakes full of sustainable fuel are a god send. Oh wait.
But they don't need cobalt or nickel anymore. People need to realise the famous saying "Necessity is the Mother of Invention". If you ban a bad mineral. Researchers soon find a greener alternative. Even lithium has been replaced with sea-salt in some batteries
doesn't matter. Why would the country use batteries using resources they don't have, while they can make batteries using resources they have..?!.
Also, the video says nickel largely use to make stainless steel. who don't need stainless steel..?!
Probably because it does not work as well, because the battery chemistry has been known for literal decades. It is not like companies seek out the more polluting products. If the sodium ion batteries worked as well as the chinese producers (byd) would let you believe, other manufacturers would've massively jumped on it as well.
Be honest, do you think a company would choose importing over producing locally, if the local produced Na ion batteries were more effective? The capacity of lithium to store energy is unique, the storage capacity, and discharge capacity of the many different battery chemistries is vastly superior to the alternatives.
Shortly said- if you can store a lot of energy, but the battery can't discharge/ charge quick enough, it has no place in an EV.
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For balance, what is the true cost of oil and gas mining / extraction / fracking / refining.
And the disastrous accidents. Deep water horizon, Exxon Valdez. Literally almost countless others.
How about present a balance picture vs what it is looking to replace / reduce?
And, transpo
Perfect is the enemy of good is an aphorism which means insistence on perfection often prevents implementation of good improvements. Extended Range Electric Vehicles or EREVs are vehicles in which propulsion power is provided almost entirely by an electric unit. They are additionally equipped with a small internal combustion engine to generate additional energy. These types of cars are often seen as series hybrids with a much larger battery. With evolving Sodium Ion technologies, EREVs would be a great deployment. No Cobalt, Lithium, Nickel et al. Also, soon motors are starting to be deployed without rare earth elements.
"Lastly, 48 volt EV architecture reduces copper by 70%"
Nonsense, compared to what? Also, the motors still need a huge amout of Cu, so i dont get your "argument" at all. Seems for me you are just a EV fanboy trying to argue for your fanboyism
The term you're looking for is PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle). EREV is a GM marketing term (like 'scrubbing bubbles'... not a technical term).
@@harrison00xXx If you double the voltage the amerage is cut in half and yet yields the same power output. By increasing voltage considerably the size of the conductor is reduced.
@@kerrryschultz2904 and yet you need the same amount of copper (longer but thinner winding)
@@harrison00xXx You are not exactly correct. If you compare the amount of copper in an electric motor that uses 120 volts AC to an electric motor that uses 2800 volts AC there is very little change in the amount of copper. And yet the power potential is increased many times. In the reference to using 48 volts I am guessing that it was compared to a 12 volt DC system which would require huge amounts of copper to do the same work as a 48 volt system because the increase in amperage. I doubt any car manufacturer would use such a low voltage system and is more likely in the 120 volts or high DC.
Cobalt occurs naturally as only one stable isotope, cobalt-59. Cobalt-60 is a commercially important radioisotope, used as a radioactive tracer and for the production of high-energy gamma rays. Cobalt is also used in the petroleum industry as a catalyst when refining crude oil.
And much more cobalt is needed for EV batteries
you're not grasping the bigger concept here.
@@christerry1773 bots cant do that can they
You have made a comment. Fantastic however do you have a point or a question?
@@harrison00xXx Not for LFP batteries, which a lot of EV's now have. There's zero cobalt in them.
There's no free lunch. So what is your solution?
their solution is more propaganda. Its always the solution
I will stick with domestic oil 🛢 and Alberta Canada shale/tar sands. We don't need help from genocidal China that is raping the ocean of fish, raping poor Africans, ans of course there genocide on there own ppl. I am happy with my v8 camaro ss , v8 Nissan Titan truck, v8 chevy tahoe.😊😊😊. I heat my home with affordable and flexible home heating oil [ I don't need to pay a giant GAS Monopoly, I have private oil delivery services 😊. We be lucky if electric replaces public transportation, and basically ignorant dorks like al gore will be there EVs to look hip and green 💚
"Only when the last fish has been caught, the last tree has been cut, the last stream poisoned will man realise they cannot eat gold" -- Hopi Proverb.
The will W always be fish and trees. Hopi should calm down
100% We can live without oil and gas But we need Clean water and food .
Technically he's right about the sea nodule extraction producing no environmental damage from tailings, at least on the ocean, since the nodules will be refined elsewhere, however the additional mud extracted in the process has to be dumped somewhere, surely right behind the harvester as it goes along, but that mud wont just sit idly on the seafloor, it'll be deposited in a silty cloud that could have significant effects on the sealife there.
Where is the "true cost of the oil industry" video?? Interesting.
There are thousands of videos on the true cost of oil. This is not one of them.
@@Tonyhouse1168 Producing a video about the "true cost" of something without mentioning the cost of its alternative is deceptive at best.
So nickel is becoming more important than oil.
The slavery and the theft of land and destruction continues in the 21st f-ing century. Abhorrent corporate and gov't thugs.
For now, newer safer and denser battery tech will be nickel free
No. Without oil you won't have much to work with it
Kicking the can down the road, basically.
Lol that's what the producer of this video WANTS you to think...as that is what is deeply implied and given your response they have done it successfully.
Noticed how they spent over 10 minutes implying what you said...and then in the last 15 seconds a small offset mention about how the biggest EV manufacture in the world had switched from using Nickle to a battery that uses NO nickel at all for MOST of their vehicles...LOL. That is a pretty important detail that they put in a throw away comment at the tail-end of the segment.
In fact its so big of a deal because the rest of the entire industry is making this move...Its called LFP Lithium Iron Phosphate. And the reason behind it is much bigger...all though this video tried to imply that a letter to tesla complaining about environmental issues is the reason for the switch (LOL, spoiler alert...it wasn't) The switch was made for financial reasons because LFP is way more readily available and is MUCH cheaper....which is way more impactful for environmentalist because companies are way more likely to actually change their plans based on financial reasons than environmental ones which is why the ENTIRE industry have already made this switch like I said. So no their will be no giant Nickle boom due to EVs because only the highest of performance vehicles actually need to rely on nickel...but of course this video implies the opposite.
Just like implying artesian mining of cobalt is some huge part of the process....when its not. They spent 95% of the cobalt segment talking about what is less than 10% (that's being generous) of the industry. This is what we call...Propaganda folks...
You dont use similar colors on a split bar graph. We learned that in elementary school.
How many of you are there in there?
Next video about the true cost of oil extraction using fracking? Not against this type of reporting at all, but it's interesting that the attacks on EV's seem relentless when the popularity is rising.
That's because EV 'green' propaganda needs to be called out. We've had countless videos about the cost of oil extraction for decades. Most people can't think past the lack of tailpipe emissions on EVs.
As long as EV owners feel good about themselves is all that matters.
Did you watch the end of the video? If not, start at 30:00 and watch to the end. I'll summarize for you. EV's have a lower environmental impact over the lifetime of the vehicle.
Okay dude. I'm not buying an EV because ICE cars don't pollute. That's a long ass Big Oil advertisement, but okay 😂😂😂
The industry is moving away from cobolt, nickel….LFP and LFPMN are popular now and sodium batteries are in the works…it’s early days folks…
Cobalt and Nickel is used in other products, not just car batteries, but nobody complains about that 🤣🤣🤣 It's because they are hypocrites.
@surecom12 the video was about EV batteries. No ones saying that using cobalt or nickel will stop or won't be used in other products.
@@Optimistprime. well if you did watch it they do make a stink about EVs and the horrendous abuse of nickel and cobalt mining in some countries or was this not in the segment?
@@squashduos1258 I didn't say it wasn't about that.
@@Optimistprime. @ourworld287 Sure but why don't they make a video about using cobalt for drill bits for example? It is clear that this video is targeting in a bad way EVs...
I can see in your video that residents have problems with the mines. It is clear to see the year 2016. But the Chinese company got those mines in 2018-2020.
Western colonial countries are behind African power.
Like in Mali. They are the main exporter of uranium for Western reactors. The whole 50 France reactors use their Uranium.
The market price is $200 and France is getting it for $8. It is economic colonialism protected by NATO.
What they dont mention, is this push for EV's is motivating battery manafacturing companies and car manafacturing companies, to fund and research alternatives to current battery technology. Battery technologies that's also used in our smart watches, tablets, phones, laptops, power tools, TV remotes, etc. Without the sudden increase of demand for batteries we would continue to be dependent on lithium in the longrun and battery manafacturing companies wouldn't spend the time and money to research alternatives to lithium prolonging the harm caused by extraction and processing of lithium.
Aren't we still dependent on it though? It is possible that research will have another lithium-like breakthrough. But that new tech will need to be available on the same scale. Not many elements are as energy dense as lithium, and lithium is the most efficient at the moment. Uphill battles aren't won by wishfull thinking alone, keep the reality in mind that research does not equate to "new tech incoming in 3. 2. 1...."
@@Mediamarked If ya actually looked into it, and bothered to understand the issue and actually understand how these things work. Then you'd realize once companies, universities, etc. get funding things happen. Alot of people already have ideas, but require funding to test and impliment those idea, which lead to competitors trying to improve on those idea or find better alternatives, overcome engineering difficulties. They discover the bennifits, or downfalls of these idea, leading to better idea's. Then it takes manafacturing tooling to get developed, new supply lines, Distrobution lines have to be setup. Consumers have to adopt these "new" ideas. Which leads to further innovations, reduction is manafacturing costs bringing down the costs to consumers. Just think when cars were first invented and manafactured. Going from horse and carriage. No roads, No gas stations. No infractructure. People would have said the same thing back then about cars/trucks as fools say about electric cars/trucks now. People who just consume and dont understand these process of technological innovation sit back and bicker instead of trying to understand or forsee how inovations and engineering solutions that currently make it sound like a bad idea will in time be overcome. Do the research. Lots of Idea's are currenty being developed thanks to this move to force companies to start switching to EV's. now the current timeline given by government is.... unrealistic but a good move in the right direction. But thanks to the push many alternatives to lithium are currently in the testing phase with promising results. Longer lasting, faster charging, lower risk of explosion, made from recyclable matterials, operable in wider temperature ranges. One solution may be better for warmer climates, Other may work for colder climates. For starters just youtube alternatives to lithium batteries. This is the age of information. Ignorance is a choice. You have a computer in your pocket with more computing power than entirety of NASA when they put a man on the moon. It's connected to all the libraries, databases, universities around the world. This issue is about more than just EV's. It'll bennifit anything that uses batteries to on or off grid homes. Even the electrical grid itself. It'll provide solution to things we cant forsee. Putting humans on the moon lead to more comfortable beds, Cordless power tools and many other technological advancements came from NASA as unforseen results of the race to the moon.
I was born and bred in the coal region of Northeastern Pennsylvania. Come on a drive by sometimes and see the scarring and damage the coal industry of 200 years ago wreaked upon we who live in the middle of it