Kurzweil K2700 vs Roland Fantom | No Talking by MeX
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Gone are the good old days when one sounded "better" than the other! They simply sound different, because they are, and they both sound great! Subjectively 😉
The Kurzweil has a more authentic sound
Kurzweil's Hammond is more typical. but Roland copies the piano more successfully - the moment of contact between the hammer and the string is clearly audible. In Kurzweil, this moment is more muffled and indistinct.
Both sound really nice, I want both, I would lean toward the Kurz because it is a full workstation if it was one over the other!
I bought both for sound design and piano's. I have a Kurzweil and a Fantom. The Fantom UI took only about a week to learn. After a year with the Kurzweil, I haven't gotten anywhere with it yet. I am a 35 year veteran of sound design and even teach subtractive design. FM has been a part of my design for about 5 years now. I been hearing about Kurzweil VAST OS/UI for a long time since the 90s. It is a modular type of workflow and sounded like a nice departure from typical subtractive. Deep sound design with just text menus is not going well. Every time I schedule a few hours to work with a design from a blank program I fail, or the Kurzweil fails me. Yesterday I have just one layer of a program using KVA oscillators for high-quality sound, but the envelopes don't have ADSR, they lack the sustain, and have 3 stages of release and decay. The beginning of the oscillator has a horrible attack, I am attempting to fix it and it just sounds bad, in the meantime the keyboard is corrupting and in one octave 4 keys are monophonic and the other are polyphonic. I spent another hour wondering why, never found an answer. There is nothing in the VAST system that can make this happen except OPAQUE function but that requires 2 layers. The are only a few videos in English on the internet. How can a system as old as VAST not have video's???
So its me and the manual forever...
Once I figure this out, (if I figure it out) I will make all the video series for sound design with VAST/FM/KVA. But it could be years at the pace I am going. Plus, every basic sound including these high quality anti-aliased VA oscillators are not good. Nothing close to Roland ACB, or analog. I spent 6 months trying to get a good solo piano sound and still not there. In the meantime, I bought a Yamaha DGX-670 and had a perfect piano sound design in just an hour; and in another half hour a fantastic soft-felt piano design. So, I'm not even using this Kurzweil for a piano anymore. I decided on using it as a controller, but it hasn't functioned for that purpose yet because it is not sending pedal MIDI information to my other modules. (the modules are receiving MIDI note and are playing, but not the sustain pedal, there isn't an option to turn off just the pedal on the modules). It has been a very long frustrating run on this Kurzweil.
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Better
Fantom: Panel layout, touchscreen, keybed (for piano and EP), analog virtual synth, DAW integration, user sampling
K2700: Acoustic strings and brass, organ, sequencer, Kurzweil sample compatibility, keybed (for organ), probably EPs
Worse
Fantom: Acoustic sounds, sequencer, keybed (for organ)
K2700: Keybed (for piano and EP), panel layout, DAW integration, no user samplng, no touchscreen
Tied
Acoustic pianos, digital synth sounds (FM, wavetable)
Overall, the Fantom is slightly better as a MIDI controller and workstation, whereas the K2700 has slightly better sounds overall. THis also applies to the Montage, which probably sounds better than the Fantom on the whole, but is not as good as a workstation and MIDI controller. Still, any of these three would be a fince choice, so it really comes down to personal preference.
no user sampling ? and 2700 have 3,5gb just for that plus external usb port for .... tadaaa samples ... ??? have bad keys for piano ???
@@MrCcfly The Montage and Fantom have better actions for piano, but the Fatar action on the K2700 is a good compromise for both piano and organ, which is great because it has an excellent organ engine. User sampling would be nice, but you can load the entire Kurzweil library. I think it's an overlooked system and I ansolutely recommend it.
what is your opinion, i would like to know your opinion
Kurz Piano's are superior sounding to me. More acoustic.
Both good synths but Kurzweil sounds more organic, maybe better for bands while Roland is good for pop, trap music production
Poly synth brass on the Roland is nice.
Kers load does not have all that resonance and reverb it just sounds cleaner.
The new tone wheel update on the Roland made it better but the sim is still weak. Running it through a neo vent would help. The organ on the Kurtz is not great either.
Great demo thank you
Roland piano sound like a C7 Yamaha, cuts nice good for Rock/Blues/Pop and the Kurzweil piano is like a Steinway good for jazz and classical, or mellow music very nice. Like to hear strings, I would bet Kurzweil better.
Rhodes thicker on the Roland, organs on both ok, nothing amazing. Both nice synths.
thanks for your feedback.
Very appropriate
@Lyle Muskat - agree. Hammond standout as relatively poor against the magnificence of the other sounds. Kurzweil would definitely be my choice for traditional church (ie not RnR) piano and string / pad. Roland more bright assuming what we’re hearing is “straight out the box”.
Are the Kurz pianos better than the Forte or PC4?
And how does the keybed feel different between the two?
Non ce n'è per nessuno. Non si batte il classico! Kurz è come il tonno: INSUPERABILE.
I own Forte, I wonder if I should buy more k2700?
you can also avoid it :)
@@synthcloud thanks a lot! How do you feel about the keybed compared to the forte? i know both use fatar tp40l, but a lot of people think it feels better than forte.
Why not a K2700-6 or K2700-7 with semi keys?
Exactly! That’s the only reason I haven’t purchased one.
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If the K2700 had a 76 Key version, I would’ve gotten it when it first came out….
I don’t need another 88 key synth in my setup.
kurzweil sounds better. fantoms sounds a bit cheesy. i wish the kurzweil was DAW compatible like the Fantom. Its BS i mean really what year are we in? All these workstations should be seamless with any DAW
you just plug 2700 in to pc and it is auto maped to daw .. dont know what u mean not daw compatible ??
Kerswell is cleaner with less reverb.
Depends on the sound... I think both have good tones
Surprisingly the Roland piano sounds good. It’s the other sounds that are “weak”.
Kurtz Rhodes has more body.
Just got the K2700 today!!!!! Wow. Anyone who thinks this keyboard is not good is a moron.
Mine is coming in the mail, tomorrow. I’m so excited!
I bought the Kurzweil first and could not get a good piano from it, I then added the Roland Fantom for the V-Piano, this was good, but not great. I then added the Yamaha DGX-670 and found the best digital piano I have ever played in 35 year of digital pianos and the dozen I have own over the years. (all tested as solo piano only, not a band piano).
The Roland sounds compressed, with less low end than the Kurzweil, but the Kurzweil is just antique. Neither can beat the classic Korg Kronos.
You may be right....
Uh no. Kronos is dead. Kurzweil is top dog for the price.
Does anyone realize that Roland after all these years is still top end heavy with their pianos, aka, a little thin?
Just stock pianos, your sound depends on the headphone and speakers (active or amp too) you have. it is your job to sound design a piano to fit your taste of what YOU think a piano should sound like and to match your monitoring gear. This basics to any digital piano. It is the pianos that don't have deep editing that are useless, and the Roland V-Piano is as deep as it gets, with tone and tuning per each key. Plus all the on board EQ, effects, lid positions, compressors, ....more....
Thanks a lot. This is helps.
У Kurtzа рояль реалистичнее..
Fantom has got VPiano built in. It's way better. Also Kurzweil's are not reliable now. I would never buy one again. My PC3K6 broke down several times. I would not trust them. They are a similar price.
Sad to hear that Kurzweils are no longer built like tanks. I have a K2600 and a K2661 and they both still work like new.
@@LuckyFlesh Great to hear. I have got a K2500R and just love it too. The sound changed after the K2600/2661 as well. Everything after is NOT the same sound. The K2500/2600/2661 represent the best sounding Kurzweil's they ever made.
Lmao, I don't know what your hearing, I own the K2500, PC3K8, and the K2700, and my PC3K8 easily outshines my K2500, and I love them all, there are patches on my K2500 that are so good, I keep it around just because of them, but my PC3K8 would be the last to go if I had to get rid of them all...
Roland Fantom is better.
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Class sounded weak on both.
The Kurzweil Sound, from the factory, is a waste.
It has to be edited. If it is handled well, as I saw in other videos, it is far superior to the Roland.
It's not a criticism of the musician in any way. It's just an observation.