We’re new to synths…just got the fantom 08 less than 48 hrs ago. My son and I have been messing with it for probably 40 of those hours. We’ve barely scratched the surface. What an instrument!!
HI.. First off, thank you for all the time you put into making videos to help us see the differences in these keyboards, greatly appreciated.. I have a Fantom 08 and a MODX7, thinking of buying another Nautilus but the 73 key version (had the 88 key one and traded it in due to the weight).. Not positive on that yet, but love the Set List feature for live use on the Nautilus, great for gigging.. Sound wise, the Roland is my go to pianos, strings, and organ, MODX is flutes, saxes, symphonies, brass, etc.. The Nautilus is going to replace my Nord as the organ when I need to use both piano and organ in a song, so it's not tying up the Roland.. I think that these 3 boards should all compliment each other and work well in my gigging rig.. If any of you can try these boards out for yourselves, you will fall in love with all of them..
Thanks Jack for sometimes stating your honest opinion... it makes these videos worth watching.... I would hate them if it was pure marketing... it is great when when you express your opinion... then we can agree with you or not... please continue your good work!
I have a Fantom-06 and a MODX7. Both have their strengths depending on the type of sound you're looking for, but for sure, the Fantom blows away the MODX in terms of user interface. And sequencer!
MODX user here... The Yamaha sequencer is definitely a disappointment, that's true! I have no complains to the Yamaha usability but I'm curious to meet the new Roland user interface personally, it looks really tasty!
@@tonylancer7367 In most places yes. You trade Roland work flow (which I don't personally like much anyway) and better tactile features; for Yamaha's superior sampling. Fantom-0 trims a lot of things from the full-fat version, whilst Modx essentially retains the full range of its big brother minus the extended specs and polyphony. There are other good 'vs' videos that show this more clearly. For a board that is newer I admittedly expected better from Roland; but I am a Yamaha leaning girl most of the time and do have my bias. On the other hand I do own the Jupiter X and several other roland boards, so it's not a brand thing exclusively. A budget board is always going to trim corners (thats the point for getting you a cheaper price). So pick and choose carefully.
@@tonylancer7367 I don't think the Yamaha sounds better than the Roland. There are thousands of patches on each board, so some sound better on one board than the other. But I'm not sure why that matters when you can create your own sounds or download others from the internet. It really comes down to UI, workflow, connectability, and DAW integration. In all these, the Fantom dominates, and it's not even close.
For me, the Yamaha generally sounded the best. It was definitely the brightest and would cut through well in a mix. The Fantom was a close second, and I liked the piano a lot. The Fantom has some advantages in sequencer, user interface, and action, so I'd strongly consider it. The Nautilus was a definite third place, and it's honestly a bit dated in sound and interface. The guts are basically the Kronos--which launched 10 years ago. It also has the worst screen of the three and the fewest performance controls.
@@robertw1871 That's true as far as it goes, but a brighter sample isn't going to sound the same as a duller sample that's been brightened up. And the fundamental sound of the MODX is on the brighter side. This is probably good, as cutting EQ tends to distort tones less than boosting it does.
Nautilus is not dated in sound like the Roland at all. The Roland uses older, much lower-res samples. I find it pretty easy to hear through my playback gear. On a stage, all three are overkill. I hate Nautlius' gimped interface, it is worse than my old M50 (budget M3 w/o Karma) or the Krome.
I have to totally disagree in regards to Yamaha Vs Korg. I had a Yamaha Montage and a Korg Nautilus. I found the string resonance much better on the Korg.
@@Echochamber79 The Korg has string and damper resonance. The Yamaha only has damper resonance. So you're right. But I still prefer the sound of the Yamaha pianos. Of course this is a personal preference, so if you disagee, than that's up to you. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, any more than on which ice cream flavor is best.
I can see here what I saw on many Fantom Reviews. The Piano Sound for Demonstration is the one from the Acoustic Piano 1 expansion. But there is also Acoustic piano 2 Expension installed. That one is much superior. The sound from Expansion 1 sounds like Keyboards 15 years ago. And, if anyone is wondering. Besides the fact that Roland’s Super Natural Pianos have String Resonance, it’s not included in the Fantom 0. This functions seams simply disabled and ist not accessible in the tone menu.
I think a lot of the sample based sounds in the Fantom 0 are not just 15 years old, more like 25+ years old JV sounds. Sound dated for some compared to the detailed ones in the MODX or Nautilus. I've heard them via Roland VST's which offer the majority of the Fantom 0 sounds and engines. I still have my Roland JV based synth's from the 90s. Some of the samples are very good, but really limited in memory compared to the what Yamaha or Korg's competitors offer. Fantom 0's strength is in the VA & B3 engines.
In my opinion the Korg Nautilus blows the Fantom and Modx out of the water. I love Roland. I have an XP80 workstation. But I just bought a brand new Nautilus about 2 months ago and I absolutely love it. I do however wish this Fantom 0 series would have been out, because when I played on the Fantom 88 keys, I didn't like the way they felt as I played. You have to feel comfortable when you play and the Fantom 88 with the wooden keys overlaid with whatever they used, were way too heavy, at least for me. The Nautilus fully weighted keys were perfect for me. I am interested in playing on this Fantom 0 series on the 88 key to see if they feel like the big daddy Fantom or more like the Nautilus feel. As for now, I am completely happy with my Nautilus. I recommend them if you are undecided at what to purchase.
Totally agree, it’s just a different class of instrument… And I love the build quality and clean look of the Korg… It’s a serious step up from the plastic ones, I think the Nautilus should actually be compared to the Fantom not the O series… I don’t mess with a bunch of sliders and buttons live so I’m fortunate to be able to pick the Korg too, love the Nautilus it definitely doesn’t disappoint, and with the Nano controllers I can add pads and sliders easily anytime I’d need them… it’s a fantastic machine…
The full size Fantom has Roland's PHA50 action. It's heavy for a digital piano, but very similar to a real Grand. The 08 has the PHA4 action which is slightly lighter and more mechanical feeling. It's still excellent. I'm glad that you like your Nautilus, but I honestly feel that it's the most dated and least competitive of the three.
@@geoffk777 It’s not dated though, look at the hardware specs, 3 gig of ram, 60 gig SSD, plenty of horsepower, I’m 100% sure Korg will be releasing plenty of updates for it over the next couple years… They just started with the Kronos + updates, it’ll be more capable in the future… That it’s not made of plastic makes it a flagship product, it’s far superior to the budget products it’s being compared to if you look closer at what it actually is… Nothing wrong with the others and they are far less expensive than the Nautilus…
@@robertw1871 I actually own a Kronos 2, (full size) Fantom 8 and Montage 8. So I can compare them. And the Kronos is fine in isolation. But if you compare the sounds and user interface to the other two, it always sounds older, duller and is less intuitive. Considering it's age, it holds up well, but it still shows it. As for horsepower, the CPU on the Kronos/Nautilus is so old that Intel doesn't even sell it any more, which is why it takes forever to boot up. Many Kronos owners have hundreds or thousands of dollars invested in expansions, so they don't care so much about the factory sounds. But, if you stick to those, than the Montage and Fantom flat out beat it. I agree that the construction of the Nautilus is solid, although the poky screen and lack of faders is limiting. Ultimately, though, it's very expensive for what it is, which is very old technology. Compared to the MODX or Fantom 9, it's just not a great deal for the money. To be fair, the Kronos has lots of fans, like Jordan Rudess. And some people will play all three and choose the Nautilus, which is fine with me. But it wouldn't be my recommendation.
@@geoffk777 It’s all in what users prefer, It takes a long time to boot because it’s loading massive sound libraries, which is exactly why it sounds so much richer… Some prefer the Roland I’ll give you that, but the hardware specs of the nautilus just kill the O series Fantom…. It doesn’t have faders, just be honest that’s why the people that don’t like it don’t like it… Be real, if it had a lot of knobs and switches with tons of flashing lights it’d be a winner right? And that’s exactly why I like it, it’s extremely well made and doesn’t look like a plastic toy, not to mention the extra processors for different sound engines and all that extra memory…
On sound alone in that video, I'd give it to the Roland with the Korg bringing up the rear, a good distance behind. Having heard Matt Johnson playing the Yamaha with a wider variety of sounds, if you asked me to buy one mail order, now, then I'd go with the Yamaha, even though I think the Roland won this particular shootout. Edit: Ok, I just clicked the links and yeah, it's the Yamaha for me along with a weekend in Paris with what I've saved.
all the patches sound nice. there needs to be some context for comparison. i would like to see a shootout on how easy it is to set up a 4-part orchestra patch with some velocity triggering or anything besides arbitrary piano patches.
I can answer this for you. The Fantom can set up a 4-voice layer in seconds with just the front panels controls and barely or not touching the screen. It's easily the winner. It's pretty easy on the Yamaha, but does require the screen and choosing some smallish controls. On the Nautilus, it is possible, but somewhat unintuitive and entirely requires the screen. So Fantom is the clear winner on this.
@@geoffk777 I’d still like to see it done in more detail. I have a Kronos, so it’s hard to imagine Fantom having more options than it (or, by association, Nautilus), but I’m curious!
@@JeffPalmer83 Here's the process on the Fantom. You have 16 zones, with 8 sliders on the panel. Let's say you have strings in zone 1. You press a button to select zone 2, press a button for sound category like brass and pick a sound. Now you have two layers and you can use the sliders for each zone to mix the levels. You can repeat that process up to 14 more times (zones 9-16 use the shift button). It couldn't be easier than that.
Also, if you like the new patch that you just made, you can save it as a scene and recall it again instantly. You can also set keyboard limits (splits) for each layer individually.
Yamaha for Piano and Strings, Korg for EP and Organ. No sounds from the Roland grabbed me. Shame, long been a fan of Roland, had a Fantom X7 back in the day.
A few people have claimed the Fantom 0 has reduced quality samples vs the regular Fantom or some other old Roland keyboards. And I don't mean just from differences in the DAC quality, but that the actual sample quality of some are reduced. Has anyone else noticed this? Anyone have both the Fantom & Fantom 0 that have compared? I assume they are probably speaking of the super natural sounds, but I'm not sure. What I can say, is I noticed a huge reduction in quality of samples on the Roland FA series vs the same patches in other Roland keyboards. And again, I don't mean differences due to DAC quality, which would end up being the difference between say one pair of speakers or headphones vs another. I'm talking about the actual sample characteristics being very different. Much more than just a fidelity thing.
What other Roland keyboards? '90s keyboards? Juno-G and Juno-Gi don't beat FA, much less Juno-D(i) and Juno-DS. DACs have a small enough impact on sound that many audio/electrical engineers out there would laugh at you if you claimed to hear a difference at all, and call you "placebo-fixated" or something. In a recording, though, they _do_ have a subtle impact, in my experience. Also, as far as samples, Juno-DS, Integra-7, and FA kill all past Roland synth keyboards at acoustic sounds, Roland keeps updating those samples over time at the very least. Not enough, though, Fantom sounds noticeably lo-fi next to Montage and Kronos/Nautilus, so will Fantom-0. Some of the EXP expansions for Juno-DS/FA have lower-fidelity samples versus the FA's own wave ROM. EXP-11 beats FA's own wave ROM for synth samples altogether, then EXP-04's "PremierGrand" beats any SuperNatural acoustic piano on the FA or Integra. Even the Juno-DS can load that expansion. EXP-05 has the best electric piano. Fantom-0 having an even poorer wave ROM than the bigger Fantom's? I highly doubt that. I guess I'll find out in June when I can demo a Fantom-0 at a local store.
You can make all three sound very similar. I doubt anyone could tell which is which in a blind test unless is extremely familiar with one of them. I find the sequencer on the Nautilus very user friendly . There's a learning curve of about two days to master the basic functions of thesse synths. I have heard the Roland has serious issues stealing voices, I don't have one so I can't confirm.
For the pianos and organs, my ear gives the nod to the MODX, while the Nautilus gets the subjective nod in the strings department. Enjoy these quick little vids.
In terms of sounds, innovations, live and studio use the Roland cannot be beat by the other two .....By sounds I mean there are 6000 sounds out of the box (including those expansions downloadable from axial) and you can add more through sampler, model expansion synths and Roland cloud website which is great .....innovations means modern display way touch friendly and responsive than the other two including kronos and Yamaha flagship, better buttons lay out more controls, more ins and outs better built-in audio interface.....it's good for live use bcz it has scene remain feature which does not cut the sound the other two I think have the same kind of feature but limited and you are stuck with fewer sounds whereas the the Fantom O scene remain feature is unlimited for all scenes and better sequencer....in terms of studio use the Fantom is out of the box compatible with most used DAWs without mapping it ....... So overall Fantom is great.....
Not unlimited scenes, only 8 zones of tone remain, 4 more than the MODX. 6000, well not really because most of this presets re changed slightly and saved, especially if you go into the synth section, lots of repetitions there.
@@tonylancer7367 dear I have said unlimited scenes not zones ....you can put scene remain on all of them (and yes subject to the condition of 8 sounds/zones)....I don't know but Roland looks more capable to me than the other two...I might be wrong....
Preference is subjective. Roland can be beaten easily; as although as said, 'subjective' Yamaha and Nord are the preference here (Asia) for almost all Piano professionals (stage rack). KORG dominate Roland in the area you would expect; synth. They came from that pedigree and literally have access to some of the best sound creators and engineers on the planet. Many of whom worked on the Jupiter-8 and Yamaha Dx7 in the past. Roland excel in the middle ground but they aren't something anyone uses as a dedicated preference. They make great hybrid/versatile boards in a single unit. Better than most, a lot of the time.
6000 inferior sounds depending on what you are doing isn’t exactly a selling point, the baby Roland has some serious memory limitations that the Korg doesn’t so that’s why the Korg easily pulls far ahead in sound quality it’s basic hardware design that makes it impossible for the Roland to keep up… Just this basic comparison here makes that more than obvious if you listen… They are all great instruments and will fit different people, so there is no best… But the quality of sound definitely goes to Korg, it doesn’t have lots of knobs and switches though which some want, it’s pretty easy to add as many sliders as you want to the Korg though through MIDI… The Korg is also about a thousand bucks more, so it’s really not a very fair comparison… The Korg is also not made of plastic, it’s made of metal and wood in Japan so it’s just all around superior except for the limited number of controls which really isn’t that big of a deal for some…
To be honest, I just got mine Roland Fantom 07 in and it’s a beast!!!! I love mine!!!!!!!!!!! Functional wise it kills both Korg and the MODX!!!! I am sticking with the Roland Fantom 0!!!! By the way great video!! Make more concerning the Roland Fantom 0!!! I’ll will be watching and waiting!!
I bought a new Nautilus 88 last year. I have a Kronos 61. I like the Nautilus, but the menus are quite different from the Kronos. Same sound engines, and superb build quality. But I do think that the Fantom 0’s organs sound much better.
Been owning both The nautilus AND MODX. Since the Nautilus is basically the Kronos lil sibling...nothing comes close to their Engines for EPs. Period. The realism is just Uncanny. Rolands interface however is TOP Tier. MODX sound design and FM engine is unmatched. All in all, fuck what others say...use these ya self and see what speaks to your soul.
Didn't know I was gonna wake up on a Dux Hunt! Really torn between the Fantom-0 (if only I could afford the main line Fantom) and the MODX now! Nautilus sounds great but doesn't quite hit the same as the other two. Thanks Jack!
It seems MODX has the better sounds (especially acoustic ones), while Fantom-0 has the better interface and functionalities (maybe apart from the small storage). Since I own a small MOXF and need the sub-outs for an independent left-hand bass signal, it's the Fantom-0 for me. Otherwise I would learn more towards MODX, but maybe that's an another future upgrade. What do you need it for?
Just ordered one of these today, it's probably this or an RD-2000. I wish I just had the best things out of both, like Fantom-0 weight+capabilities and RD-2000 easy/fast access+professional power supply. Both seem to be interesting in terms of combining them with Cantabile or Mainstage. I would have considered a MODX, if it had a sub out for my bass playing duties, but maybe I will have it replace my MOXF in the future.
Je ne sais pas pour toi, mais j'utilise actuellement le RD2000 et je suis pleinement satisfait. Au faite, la différence entre Fantom-0 et RD2000 est que RD2000 possède le V-piano.
@@manoaramiarimanana5635 V-Piano is the one feature, I wouldn't miss on the Fantom, the Supernatural Pianos seem to have the same quality. Nevertheless I am quite sure, you can't go wrong with the RD-2000 based on what I have seen and heard so far.
I have a MODX and just ordered a Fantom O6. The MODX sounds fantastic in a studio or home environment, as we can hear in this video, but its a real pig through a PA without loads of EQ’ing, especially Piano and Brass.
u need a better properly setup PA system then the reason the yamahas are so popular in loud churches for instance is they cut through like no other board
The opposite is true for the Fantom 0s. Sounds pretty dull with monitor home/studio set-up. Definitely needs external EQ'ing. On board EQ does very little to improve. 😢
For those who think buying a 2k keyboard will make you a better better , think again. Honestly, just invest in some piano lessons and you can make a Casio sound good. Yamaha P series is great to learn on. As always, great information Jack!! Keep up the hard work!!
@@DamienConway666 It's also incorrect. A more expensive instrument will objectively make you better as a musician at any level (assuming translation to quality; as per Yamaha). People don't like to hear it. Especially from concert players like myself who own very expensive instruments; but it is nonetheless the truth. Some of the best Conservatoire and Orchestral pianists were just asked this very question at RAM. All but 2 (of 23) people cited the same opinion. Practice/mindset is important (I would hope that goes without saying as obvious?) but no. No amount of skill will allow you to make a poorly made instrument sound good. That is a myth popularized by the poor.
@@ErraticFaith Sorry but that just can't relate to digital electronic instruments. The Fantom -0 is "poorler" made than the Fantom. But the sounds are the same. You could even play it from a better keyboard etc. This is not like a violin or a grand piano.
@@ErraticFaith counterpoint: a good player can do better stuff with my Casio than I can with my Nautilus, as I’m just some schmuck who comes home from work and tinkers on my synths here and there. That said, you’re spot on. My Casio keyboards have minimal patch adjustment capabilities, so if the sound doesn’t quite hit the feel I want, too bad (I do like both the 61 and 88 key Casios as USB MIDI controllers, though). My Juno DS 61 sounds good, and has great intuitive controls, but literally hurts my hands to play after 10 or 15 minutes. My Nautilus 61 is a dream. I sat and played it for over an hour in the store and everything just fell into place for me. “Must have this!” (fortunately my wife consented to getting it as an early birthday present while it was on sale) It makes me want to play for long stretches without getting stuck against the machine. The keybed feels good, to me at least. The placement of the controls and menus make sense to me. I can quickly navigate the single patches and splits/layers (“combies”), as well as cook up new layers, or save a drum accompaniment and/or arpeggio pattern with a patch for instant recall the next day. It makes tinkering fun.
To me the Yamaha and the Nautilus sounded the best in terms of pianos. The Fantom to me just sounds thin, and doesn't even hold a candle to the other two. Jack is right though about the interface. The interface on the Roland and Nautilus just seems a lot more cleaner and more intuitive than the Yamaha.
The interface on the Nautilus is clunky because they wanted to go with less buttons than the Kronos' interface. They really need more, but they didn't do that so there is extra menu-diving versus Fantoms and Kronos. Certain things were worse than the cheaper, more menu-divey Kross, I forgot which, it has been a while since I took a look at a Nautilus at the local store. I love the Nautilus' sound, though, it is super good, almost makes me want to buy one, but the interface is off-putting enough to kill my lust for it, lol I'l stick to my good ol' M50.
@@Jason75913 I know what you mean, interface wise. I would have liked to have got one myself. If only Korg didn't discontinue the Kronos/Kronos 2. I hope they release a new workstation similar soon.
The interface on the Yamaha is not slow. I own one and can tell you with 100% certainty I fly around live on that thing and transition seamlessly on it. I use it live and go from one sound and/or sound performance set to the next live without any issues. Cleary the person who mentioned this does not have real experience with the Yamaha MODX.
I'd love to hear Andrew talk about the pianos on the Fantom-0, in particular the resonances that they might have. I've had two people from Roland tell me they have string resonance, but every end-user I've spoken to says they don't so I'm really confused and curious as to what's going on.
Roland pianos do have string resonance as well as pedal resonance. It depends on the patch, but nearly all of them support it. If you have a big Fantom, than the V-Pianos support it too. Only a few of the older SRX pianos lack it.
@@geoffk777 That's certainly long been true, but like I said everyone I've spoken to who owns a Fantom or Fantom-0 says they can't produce any on the SuperNatural pianos on those units. I've even had one person send me a video of them trying to produce it and as far as I can tell there wasn't ant. I'd love to see a video of someone really doing a good test to confirm for sure.
@@theverysinfulcaterpillar5788 That's interesting. String resonance is an adjustable parameter for the SuperNatural pianos on the FA-08 and other Rolands, but doesn't seem to be a setting on the Fantom's Sn expansion packs. A fellow on Reddit was also trying to confirm this a couple of weeks ago, and couldn't find it documented anywhere. I'll have to give it a go on my Fantom and see.
As a spoiled acoustic piano player (real grand pianos or good software vsts) string and pedal resonance is the first thing I usually look into. Lots of digital pianos (especially hardware) have both features, but they are pretty weak compared to the real thing, even if you crank it up to the max. For example I found a convincing pedal resonance in my MOXF, an ok one in my Kawai MP6 and a crappy reverb-based simulation on the Kurzweil PC4/K2700. Good thing is, if you play more in a rock/pop context with drums, bass, etc., it doesn't matter, not so cool on more exposed performances.
@@ravenmusic932 Actually, the Montage/MODX doesn't have string resonance; only pedal resonance. But the pianos are excellent in spite of this. In fact, the K2700 pianos are very good and better, in my opinion, than the pianos on the Kronos, which does have both. So it's an important feature, but not the final determiner.
I have tested the Fantom o6 today. The only thing i’m intrested in was the quality of the sounds. honestly i was not blown away , little bit disapointed with this board. I’m looking for a second board. I already have the Yamaha Montage. Next week I will test the Nautilus.
I have a MODX6 and also the Fantom 6. The Fantom is incredible and the V piano engine on the main Fantom is worth the money alone, I'd humbly advise you test both Fantoms out before you make your decision on which to buy. However, money regardless. The MODX to me is a bargain. I bought over the montage which is also brilliant for lightness and also that it just sounds amazing. The Nautilus is in my opinion too expensive over the other two options. I'd wait for a new Korg Flagship soon rather than a Kronos/Nautilus. Just my opinion.
The significant difference in weight/price between the 06/07/08 and the 6/7/8 flagship line is the V-Piano tech and the keyboard mechanics associated with it. The rest is almost the same (physical layout differs and a knob/button here and there).
the pinao sound you used in nautilus A001 is not bad but there is another one in A002 called italian grand that sounds much better. it even sounds better than many VSTs
Roland sound is more dry but it's supposed to be like this cause you can edit the sounds than it will sound better but the nautilus killed it, it's sad that korg didn't got too many buttons to edit it live
@Rhizosphere It's your usual ignorant American opinion. Since the vast amount of users aren't even English speakers. We don't pronounce most of the units the same way here. Primarily because we don't hit a hard 'D' sound in several of our dialects. It's a tiring discussion most of the time honestly. Do remind me of which nation Yamaha corporation comes from. I'll wait.
@Rhizosphere I wasn't aiming my comment at you. That seems to be some assumption you've made. America is our enemy; they feel much the same vice versa. An opinion also held by our allies in Russia. I don't feel the need to apologise for geopolitics. Americans are worthless vermin. If you dislike my stance - that is more than fine. We are but adults with different views. You aren't far from me. Hello from the great dragon /wave. Names do matter. You know that too is opinion - but also one held commonly by us in Asia where the meaning in names is extensive. So you'll forgive me for conforming to our custom. Just because you don't care, obviously doesn't mean anyone else is obligated to feel the same way. I was closer to agreeing with you in this context. Since the discussion wasn't about that either way but since the original comment is incorrect - and all the brands are here with us and Japan. I would imagine the point of origin matters more than the do nothing west.
I am excited for ROLAND's Andrew working to share and show the instrument to er'body. Thanks, Andertons! I think a forefront interest of mine is the FANTOM-0's organ control, where we see so few hardware control organs for a sub-$2,000 instrument. I feel something hurting the instrument is what appears to be lacking velocity sensitivity in the pads. There's no mention of it in the manuals, and I believe I've heard nobody mention it in the videos I've seen. I feel the instrument's strengths are the controls, and pricepoint versatility. At the fifteen hundred dollar price tag, the FANTOM-06 may be doing twice its price tag if you were to have separate hardware modules for er'vrything; like a $600 Ferrofish hardware organ emulator, an $800 MPC doing your sampling, drum machine and on-device songwriting, at least $500 worth of an analog synthesizer in terms of the virtual analog Zen-core synthesis engine onboard the FANTOM-0, and any imaginable amount of money for your hardware piano and/or all the other instruments this rompler can romple - most of which probably sounds better than sub thousand dollar instruments, and that you can shape the sounds of far more than those cheaper instruments, thus adding to the pricepoint advantage. I am aware of the _"it doesn't come with the same free sounds as with the FANTOM."_ Ed Diaz says this thing has upwards of 6,500 preset sounds onboard. That may be a bigger problem for some than for myself. I feel this is a wonderfully accessible instrument that can be foundational for many writers, enthusiasts and performers. I feel it most definitely has a place, and I feel it's probably a strong competitor.
Fantom has 8 sliders. Organ needs 9 sliders. 9th slider is essential ))) Kronos/Nautilus allows to rule all 9 organ harmonics. Of course, Roland Fantom-0 allows to rule drawbars on the screen.
If you remotely care about Organ accuracy stick to Yamaha YC or Sk-Pro. Whilst these here all can imitate organ they are a far cry from a dedicated waterfall and clone organ. It's not even substantially close, to the point I'd call them garbage compared to the first two.
It seems to me that these ROMpler machine era will end faster than we thought, or maybe the market move to "developing" countries.. their sound quality is outdated by Virtual Instruments / softsynths
The market is probably smaller than ten years ago. For live use, though, it is much more convenient to use a standalone keyboard plus there is still the issue of latency. I also like to just switch on and play sometimes rather than waiting to boot up a PC and load up VSTs / large sample libraries etc.
ROMpler keyboard era is far from over, just try doing what keyboardists do with a MIDI controller and laptop with your sounds of choice. And all of these keyboards in the video are overkill in sound quality for stage use most of the time.
@@Jason75913 I believe you're right, they are far from the end.. IMO also because of endorsement by respected musician, which imo, actually more about the musical quality, rather than instrument quality
That's what I imagined, but after having a master keyboard and a bucketload of VSTs for years, it's clear it'll never work for me. For studio work, fine, but for personal enjoyment or live, rarely.
The look that Jack gave the Nautilius at 4:28 as if he didn't play/like it. 💀 Great video, though I do miss the visits from D. Bingers and Mike Patrick (he's on tour though).
Korg sounds poor in all categories... Re the MODX, who the hell thought that big blue flashing light was a good idea? It looks like a police car is parked on your keyboard 😅
My ears, for what little it's worth: Best piano: Yamaha Best electric piano: Roland Best organ: Roland Best strings: Korg or Yamaha Dammit. I've got a Kronos 2, and if I knowed then what I know now (really, if Roland had been further along with the Fantom development) I'd've bought the Fantom. And today, I'd probably buy a Roland "0" series -- probably the 6 or 7 for what I do -- although I'd definitely miss aftertouch on the lower-priced models.
On the video my pick was the Roland by far. But today I played these 3 boards (61 key versions) side by side at a music store. Loved the look, form factor and feel of the Roland Fantom 06, preferred it to the Modx6. Lastly I approached the 61 key Nautilus chuckling to myself and shaking my head...."come on Korg this thing looks like an old M1 but probably heavier and even more menu diving LOL....the other two are light weight, have heaps of onboard controls...pathetic Korg!"🙄 Then I played the Nautilus...and to my ears it was in many ways better sounding than the other two...even if it looks like it was built in 1990! Unlike the other two the Korg had a nice Leslie sim that ramped up and slowed nicely.....not as good as my YC-73 but still pretty good. The Roland organs sounded good but the upper notes on fast Leslie sounded cheesy compared to the Korg and the Yamaha doesn't even have an organ engine. So until Korg brings out something of similar form factor to the Fantom 06 and Modx6 I will just stick to my old Korg Krome 61😁 I know it's subjective but I prefer the sound of the Nautilus over the other two.
I make hiphop beats and I really wanted to hear ur opinion on sounds other then keys and organs.. like pads and brass and stuff. I’m in the air about getting the new Roland 06 or the Mod x… I’m a Yamaha freak but I’m leaning towards the Roland because it’s new and looks fire.. no new Yamahas coming? I do have to admit that Korg sounds like crap… sorry
I think this comparison is a bit unfair. The Nautilus and the Fantom are full featured workstations. The MODX is just a sample based synthesizer with an attached FM engine. Apart from that it is very bare bones in comparison. Also the Montage line is 6 years old now and it has been abandoned long time ago (last update 6/2020). Don't get me wrong, the MODX sounds great and it is affordable but IMHO it belongs into a completely different category. Maybe a Roland Juno-DS or Korg Kross would be on the same eye level.
True, but the Nautilus is like 11 years old really. It's definitely in the right category as if you're looking for a jack of all trades main keyboard with seamless transitions and a powerful setlist and you're not gonna pick up either the Nautilus or Fantom 0 ( I agree the sound engines count) then you're picking up the MODX let's be honest.
I went to Sweetwater yesterday and checked out Roland fantom 08 its made cheap all the way around to me my opinion keys feel like a toy also I checked out the Roland fantom 8 too what a keyboard the sound and feel is great but dont want to dish out $4000 for it checked out the Roland fp60x it felt good in sounds good but I also checked out the Roland fp 90x in it is appsoulutly beautiful sound in keys have wood in Im buying one its worth buying at $2.199😀 ... Great playing Jack as always I also checked out the Kawai es7 it outshines the Kawai es920 just saying 😌
Love you Jack, but I'm always confused by the emphasis you place on patches. I don't think musicians spend $2000 - $4000 on a synth/workstation so they can use the default patches. Most people tweak or download other presets. I think you should focus a lot more on user interface, weight, functionality, daw integration, etc.
It’s mainly in the effort to make a shorter more consumable video. I personally find in depth programming videos a hiding to nothing anyway as it’s just seems an open invitation for more conjecture and most likely criticism “Why didn’t you use the so and so’s mod matrix to send a midi message to your toaster to adjust the browning on the toast etc” I personally don’t use 99% of what I demo on here either and am just trying to give the perspective of a punter walking into the shop and having a play. This is really the Andertons Music channel and certainly not the Jack Duxbury channel - lord knows how bad that would be!! Thanks so much stopping by though and the constructive comment Kene 🙏🏻
Roland has somehow managed to have a worse piano sound than they did 20 yrs ago, which is an amazing feat. The Roland "rhodes" is even worse than piano (which is par for the course with Roland). Strings sound good, but everyone does decent strings.
Well, Adrian who runs the “Bad Gear” show always says Roland keeps him busy. I think this is largely due to Roland frequently making gimped repackages of otherwise usable classic hardware.
Agree that out of the box the Fantom’s pianos are sub par. However, after proper tweaking they are beautiful and varied. The gentleman from Merriam Pianos had the same criticism of the Roland Pianos on the Rd-2000, but he said that after dialing them in with proper adjustments he felt the pianos were among the best. Don’t know why all the companies don’t spend more time dialing in proper adjustments for the pianos as it would save a lot of time for the end user to have several highly customized sounds. But everyone’s preferences and needs are different so probably makes a lot of sense to encourage the user to adjust to their own likes.
@@brianlewis5360 Are there tutorials to customise the piano sound to sound good? I know pianos are very subjective but I always struggle to like the pianos.
Inspite of all the fantom fanboy‘s comments I still think that the awkward and brazen Roland Cloud policy speaks against the fantom. Adding a few expansions easily sets you back more than 500 bucks. And if you want to sell the whole expanded thing some day because the next best synth of all times hits the market, Roland will not allow you to transfer the expansion licenses. You will be stuck with them forever without being able to use them yourself once the hardware is gone. Ridiculous.
They don't want to beputting aftertouch on anything less than flagship keyboards. No matter how many more decades you spend complaining. I'm actually curious as to why.
The Korg is lower in volume level, which can give that impression in a side-by-side comparison, plus it has a warmer sound, so I bet you'd change your mind after raising its volume and boosting its upper midrange and lower treble with EQ.
Fantom was best Epiano and Rhodes. Nautilus had best Pianos, strings and organ. MODX was trashhhhhh. I guess Yamaha saved their good acoustic sounds for the Genos...
Came to the Guildford store and brought a piano, guy who sold me the keyboard didn't know who the Maltese Falcon was, didn't know who Jack was or what the forbidden rift was! Very disappointing! They better have got their act together for next time when I come and drop a load of cash otherwise I will have to come a third time and fourth and fifth 😂😁
*Pianos:* They're all really bad, honestly. Korg wins, but there's nothing there for me. *Rhodes:* Korg's best as well *Organ:* Tie between Korg and Yamaha *Strings:* Not sure really, not feeling them. You'd think I am a Korg fan, but I used to have a Yamaha Motif XS8, now I have Nords (E6D + Grand)
We’re new to synths…just got the fantom 08 less than 48 hrs ago. My son and I have been messing with it for probably 40 of those hours. We’ve barely scratched the surface. What an instrument!!
Buy all three and stay indoors forever haha x
They all sound nice, for trance and house that Roland is going to be a beast x
And the fact Roland is light specially 6 and 7… so if taking out for a gig Roland has edge their too
They all sounded great, but if I had to pick one based on sound quality, it would probably be the Roland Fantom.
HI.. First off, thank you for all the time you put into making videos to help us see the differences in these keyboards, greatly appreciated.. I have a Fantom 08 and a MODX7, thinking of buying another Nautilus but the 73 key version (had the 88 key one and traded it in due to the weight).. Not positive on that yet, but love the Set List feature for live use on the Nautilus, great for gigging.. Sound wise, the Roland is my go to pianos, strings, and organ, MODX is flutes, saxes, symphonies, brass, etc.. The Nautilus is going to replace my Nord as the organ when I need to use both piano and organ in a song, so it's not tying up the Roland.. I think that these 3 boards should all compliment each other and work well in my gigging rig.. If any of you can try these boards out for yourselves, you will fall in love with all of them..
Have a Nord Electro5D Modx6 and just boaght Nautilus ...Love the sounds...way to heavy to bring to gigs. MODX goes instead
Thanks Jack for sometimes stating your honest opinion... it makes these videos worth watching.... I would hate them if it was pure marketing... it is great when when you express your opinion... then we can agree with you or not... please continue your good work!
Glad I bought fantom 08. Pleasure to play and sequence alongside my Moog Grandmother. More than enough 🙏
I have a Fantom-06 and a MODX7. Both have their strengths depending on the type of sound you're looking for, but for sure, the Fantom blows away the MODX in terms of user interface. And sequencer!
MODX user here... The Yamaha sequencer is definitely a disappointment, that's true! I have no complains to the Yamaha usability but I'm curious to meet the new Roland user interface personally, it looks really tasty!
Does the Yamaha sound nicer than the Fantom like Jack mentioned?
@@tonylancer7367 In most places yes. You trade Roland work flow (which I don't personally like much anyway) and better tactile features; for Yamaha's superior sampling. Fantom-0 trims a lot of things from the full-fat version, whilst Modx essentially retains the full range of its big brother minus the extended specs and polyphony. There are other good 'vs' videos that show this more clearly. For a board that is newer I admittedly expected better from Roland; but I am a Yamaha leaning girl most of the time and do have my bias. On the other hand I do own the Jupiter X and several other roland boards, so it's not a brand thing exclusively. A budget board is always going to trim corners (thats the point for getting you a cheaper price). So pick and choose carefully.
@@tonylancer7367 I don't think the Yamaha sounds better than the Roland. There are thousands of patches on each board, so some sound better on one board than the other. But I'm not sure why that matters when you can create your own sounds or download others from the internet. It really comes down to UI, workflow, connectability, and DAW integration. In all these, the Fantom dominates, and it's not even close.
@@ErraticFaith upload some tunes heem
For me, the Yamaha generally sounded the best. It was definitely the brightest and would cut through well in a mix. The Fantom was a close second, and I liked the piano a lot. The Fantom has some advantages in sequencer, user interface, and action, so I'd strongly consider it. The Nautilus was a definite third place, and it's honestly a bit dated in sound and interface. The guts are basically the Kronos--which launched 10 years ago. It also has the worst screen of the three and the fewest performance controls.
They all have EQ so you can brighten or darken any program easily….
@@robertw1871 That's true as far as it goes, but a brighter sample isn't going to sound the same as a duller sample that's been brightened up. And the fundamental sound of the MODX is on the brighter side. This is probably good, as cutting EQ tends to distort tones less than boosting it does.
Nautilus is not dated in sound like the Roland at all. The Roland uses older, much lower-res samples. I find it pretty easy to hear through my playback gear. On a stage, all three are overkill.
I hate Nautlius' gimped interface, it is worse than my old M50 (budget M3 w/o Karma) or the Krome.
I have to totally disagree in regards to Yamaha Vs Korg. I had a Yamaha Montage and a Korg Nautilus. I found the string resonance much better on the Korg.
@@Echochamber79 The Korg has string and damper resonance. The Yamaha only has damper resonance. So you're right. But I still prefer the sound of the Yamaha pianos. Of course this is a personal preference, so if you disagee, than that's up to you. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, any more than on which ice cream flavor is best.
One of the videos that helped me decide to get the Yamaha
I can see here what I saw on many Fantom Reviews. The Piano Sound for Demonstration is the one from the Acoustic Piano 1 expansion. But there is also Acoustic piano 2 Expension installed. That one is much superior. The sound from Expansion 1 sounds like Keyboards 15 years ago.
And, if anyone is wondering. Besides the fact that Roland’s Super Natural Pianos have String Resonance, it’s not included in the Fantom 0. This functions seams simply disabled and ist not accessible in the tone menu.
I think a lot of the sample based sounds in the Fantom 0 are not just 15 years old, more like 25+ years old JV sounds. Sound dated for some compared to the detailed ones in the MODX or Nautilus. I've heard them via Roland VST's which offer the majority of the Fantom 0 sounds and engines. I still have my Roland JV based synth's from the 90s. Some of the samples are very good, but really limited in memory compared to the what Yamaha or Korg's competitors offer. Fantom 0's strength is in the VA & B3 engines.
For me in this video the Roland won , Yamaha 2nd and Korg 3rd. Though the Korg strings sounded the best to me. (i didnt use headphones...)
The Korg does have the best strings in other, similar comparison videos. Best pianos, too, in my opinion.
Came on here for your smooth chords Jacko. :)
In my opinion the Korg Nautilus blows the Fantom and Modx out of the water. I love Roland. I have an XP80 workstation. But I just bought a brand new Nautilus about 2 months ago and I absolutely love it. I do however wish this Fantom 0 series would have been out, because when I played on the Fantom 88 keys, I didn't like the way they felt as I played. You have to feel comfortable when you play and the Fantom 88 with the wooden keys overlaid with whatever they used, were way too heavy, at least for me. The Nautilus fully weighted keys were perfect for me. I am interested in playing on this Fantom 0 series on the 88 key to see if they feel like the big daddy Fantom or more like the Nautilus feel. As for now, I am completely happy with my Nautilus. I recommend them if you are undecided at what to purchase.
Totally agree, it’s just a different class of instrument… And I love the build quality and clean look of the Korg… It’s a serious step up from the plastic ones, I think the Nautilus should actually be compared to the Fantom not the O series… I don’t mess with a bunch of sliders and buttons live so I’m fortunate to be able to pick the Korg too, love the Nautilus it definitely doesn’t disappoint, and with the Nano controllers I can add pads and sliders easily anytime I’d need them… it’s a fantastic machine…
The full size Fantom has Roland's PHA50 action. It's heavy for a digital piano, but very similar to a real Grand. The 08 has the PHA4 action which is slightly lighter and more mechanical feeling. It's still excellent. I'm glad that you like your Nautilus, but I honestly feel that it's the most dated and least competitive of the three.
@@geoffk777 It’s not dated though, look at the hardware specs, 3 gig of ram, 60 gig SSD, plenty of horsepower, I’m 100% sure Korg will be releasing plenty of updates for it over the next couple years… They just started with the Kronos + updates, it’ll be more capable in the future… That it’s not made of plastic makes it a flagship product, it’s far superior to the budget products it’s being compared to if you look closer at what it actually is… Nothing wrong with the others and they are far less expensive than the Nautilus…
@@robertw1871 I actually own a Kronos 2, (full size) Fantom 8 and Montage 8. So I can compare them. And the Kronos is fine in isolation. But if you compare the sounds and user interface to the other two, it always sounds older, duller and is less intuitive. Considering it's age, it holds up well, but it still shows it. As for horsepower, the CPU on the Kronos/Nautilus is so old that Intel doesn't even sell it any more, which is why it takes forever to boot up. Many Kronos owners have hundreds or thousands of dollars invested in expansions, so they don't care so much about the factory sounds. But, if you stick to those, than the Montage and Fantom flat out beat it.
I agree that the construction of the Nautilus is solid, although the poky screen and lack of faders is limiting. Ultimately, though, it's very expensive for what it is, which is very old technology. Compared to the MODX or Fantom 9, it's just not a great deal for the money.
To be fair, the Kronos has lots of fans, like Jordan Rudess. And some people will play all three and choose the Nautilus, which is fine with me. But it wouldn't be my recommendation.
@@geoffk777 It’s all in what users prefer, It takes a long time to boot because it’s loading massive sound libraries, which is exactly why it sounds so much richer… Some prefer the Roland I’ll give you that, but the hardware specs of the nautilus just kill the O series Fantom…. It doesn’t have faders, just be honest that’s why the people that don’t like it don’t like it… Be real, if it had a lot of knobs and switches with tons of flashing lights it’d be a winner right? And that’s exactly why I like it, it’s extremely well made and doesn’t look like a plastic toy, not to mention the extra processors for different sound engines and all that extra memory…
On sound alone in that video, I'd give it to the Roland with the Korg bringing up the rear, a good distance behind. Having heard Matt Johnson playing the Yamaha with a wider variety of sounds, if you asked me to buy one mail order, now, then I'd go with the Yamaha, even though I think the Roland won this particular shootout.
Edit: Ok, I just clicked the links and yeah, it's the Yamaha for me along with a weekend in Paris with what I've saved.
all the patches sound nice. there needs to be some context for comparison. i would like to see a shootout on how easy it is to set up a 4-part orchestra patch with some velocity triggering or anything besides arbitrary piano patches.
Yeah, I would love to see some sound design or programming comparisons as well!
I can answer this for you. The Fantom can set up a 4-voice layer in seconds with just the front panels controls and barely or not touching the screen. It's easily the winner. It's pretty easy on the Yamaha, but does require the screen and choosing some smallish controls. On the Nautilus, it is possible, but somewhat unintuitive and entirely requires the screen. So Fantom is the clear winner on this.
@@geoffk777 I’d still like to see it done in more detail. I have a Kronos, so it’s hard to imagine Fantom having more options than it (or, by association, Nautilus), but I’m curious!
@@JeffPalmer83 Here's the process on the Fantom. You have 16 zones, with 8 sliders on the panel. Let's say you have strings in zone 1. You press a button to select zone 2, press a button for sound category like brass and pick a sound. Now you have two layers and you can use the sliders for each zone to mix the levels. You can repeat that process up to 14 more times (zones 9-16 use the shift button). It couldn't be easier than that.
Also, if you like the new patch that you just made, you can save it as a scene and recall it again instantly. You can also set keyboard limits (splits) for each layer individually.
Yamaha for Piano and Strings, Korg for EP and Organ. No sounds from the Roland grabbed me. Shame, long been a fan of Roland, had a Fantom X7 back in the day.
I felt the same way.
A few people have claimed the Fantom 0 has reduced quality samples vs the regular Fantom or some other old Roland keyboards. And I don't mean just from differences in the DAC quality, but that the actual sample quality of some are reduced. Has anyone else noticed this? Anyone have both the Fantom & Fantom 0 that have compared? I assume they are probably speaking of the super natural sounds, but I'm not sure.
What I can say, is I noticed a huge reduction in quality of samples on the Roland FA series vs the same patches in other Roland keyboards. And again, I don't mean differences due to DAC quality, which would end up being the difference between say one pair of speakers or headphones vs another. I'm talking about the actual sample characteristics being very different. Much more than just a fidelity thing.
What other Roland keyboards? '90s keyboards? Juno-G and Juno-Gi don't beat FA, much less Juno-D(i) and Juno-DS.
DACs have a small enough impact on sound that many audio/electrical engineers out there would laugh at you if you claimed to hear a difference at all, and call you "placebo-fixated" or something.
In a recording, though, they _do_ have a subtle impact, in my experience.
Also, as far as samples, Juno-DS, Integra-7, and FA kill all past Roland synth keyboards at acoustic sounds, Roland keeps updating those samples over time at the very least. Not enough, though, Fantom sounds noticeably lo-fi next to Montage and Kronos/Nautilus, so will Fantom-0. Some of the EXP expansions for Juno-DS/FA have lower-fidelity samples versus the FA's own wave ROM. EXP-11 beats FA's own wave ROM for synth samples altogether, then EXP-04's "PremierGrand" beats any SuperNatural acoustic piano on the FA or Integra. Even the Juno-DS can load that expansion. EXP-05 has the best electric piano.
Fantom-0 having an even poorer wave ROM than the bigger Fantom's? I highly doubt that. I guess I'll find out in June when I can demo a Fantom-0 at a local store.
So I have a FA06 Are you saying the Fantom 06 isnt as good? @@Jason75913
Roland is the most beauty
He plays piano really well, sounds so bluesy. I need to up my game. Any channels to watch to learn those methods?
I'm still trying to scrape together enough for a Yamaha MX88. These are out of my budget, but they're all great.
it was the same for me. i got an MX88 like 4 years ago and it is still my main piano and usually main controller. It sounds excellent.
I have to give it to Yamaha. Although I am slightly biased using a Montage among others on all my albums.
You can make all three sound very similar. I doubt anyone could tell which is which in a blind test unless is extremely familiar with one of them. I find the sequencer on the Nautilus very user friendly . There's a learning curve of about two days to master the basic functions of thesse synths. I have heard the Roland has serious issues stealing voices, I don't have one so I can't confirm.
I’m about to pull the trigger on 1 of this 2 boards but I need a more in depth video of the Yamaha vs Roland Pianos for worship please!
For the pianos and organs, my ear gives the nod to the MODX, while the Nautilus gets the subjective nod in the strings department. Enjoy these quick little vids.
What is the name of that MODX organ?
In terms of sounds, innovations, live and studio use the Roland cannot be beat by the other two .....By sounds I mean there are 6000 sounds out of the box (including those expansions downloadable from axial) and you can add more through sampler, model expansion synths and Roland cloud website which is great .....innovations means modern display way touch friendly and responsive than the other two including kronos and Yamaha flagship, better buttons lay out more controls, more ins and outs better built-in audio interface.....it's good for live use bcz it has scene remain feature which does not cut the sound the other two I think have the same kind of feature but limited and you are stuck with fewer sounds whereas the the Fantom O scene remain feature is unlimited for all scenes and better sequencer....in terms of studio use the Fantom is out of the box compatible with most used DAWs without mapping it ....... So overall Fantom is great.....
Not unlimited scenes, only 8 zones of tone remain, 4 more than the MODX.
6000, well not really because most of this presets re changed slightly and saved, especially if you go into the synth section, lots of repetitions there.
@@tonylancer7367 dear I have said unlimited scenes not zones ....you can put scene remain on all of them (and yes subject to the condition of 8 sounds/zones)....I don't know but Roland looks more capable to me than the other two...I might be wrong....
Preference is subjective. Roland can be beaten easily; as although as said, 'subjective' Yamaha and Nord are the preference here (Asia) for almost all Piano professionals (stage rack). KORG dominate Roland in the area you would expect; synth. They came from that pedigree and literally have access to some of the best sound creators and engineers on the planet. Many of whom worked on the Jupiter-8 and Yamaha Dx7 in the past. Roland excel in the middle ground but they aren't something anyone uses as a dedicated preference. They make great hybrid/versatile boards in a single unit. Better than most, a lot of the time.
6000 inferior sounds depending on what you are doing isn’t exactly a selling point, the baby Roland has some serious memory limitations that the Korg doesn’t so that’s why the Korg easily pulls far ahead in sound quality it’s basic hardware design that makes it impossible for the Roland to keep up… Just this basic comparison here makes that more than obvious if you listen… They are all great instruments and will fit different people, so there is no best… But the quality of sound definitely goes to Korg, it doesn’t have lots of knobs and switches though which some want, it’s pretty easy to add as many sliders as you want to the Korg though through MIDI… The Korg is also about a thousand bucks more, so it’s really not a very fair comparison… The Korg is also not made of plastic, it’s made of metal and wood in Japan so it’s just all around superior except for the limited number of controls which really isn’t that big of a deal for some…
Has trabajar al Roland 08 con el motor supernatural y un par de capas más, y te darás cuenta el desastre de polifonía que tiene
To be honest, I just got mine Roland Fantom 07 in and it’s a beast!!!! I love mine!!!!!!!!!!! Functional wise it kills both Korg and the MODX!!!! I am sticking with the Roland Fantom 0!!!! By the way great video!! Make more concerning the Roland Fantom 0!!! I’ll will be watching and waiting!!
I bought a new Nautilus 88 last year. I have a Kronos 61. I like the Nautilus, but the menus are quite different from the Kronos. Same sound engines, and superb build quality. But I do think that the Fantom 0’s organs sound much better.
Been owning both The nautilus AND MODX. Since the Nautilus is basically the Kronos lil sibling...nothing comes close to their Engines for EPs. Period. The realism is just Uncanny. Rolands interface however is TOP Tier. MODX sound design and FM engine is unmatched. All in all, fuck what others say...use these ya self and see what speaks to your soul.
so you are the only one . all hail great master we will follow your statement and go F ourselves.
Didn't know I was gonna wake up on a Dux Hunt! Really torn between the Fantom-0 (if only I could afford the main line Fantom) and the MODX now! Nautilus sounds great but doesn't quite hit the same as the other two. Thanks Jack!
It seems MODX has the better sounds (especially acoustic ones), while Fantom-0 has the better interface and functionalities (maybe apart from the small storage). Since I own a small MOXF and need the sub-outs for an independent left-hand bass signal, it's the Fantom-0 for me. Otherwise I would learn more towards MODX, but maybe that's an another future upgrade. What do you need it for?
Just ordered one of these today, it's probably this or an RD-2000. I wish I just had the best things out of both, like Fantom-0 weight+capabilities and RD-2000 easy/fast access+professional power supply. Both seem to be interesting in terms of combining them with Cantabile or Mainstage. I would have considered a MODX, if it had a sub out for my bass playing duties, but maybe I will have it replace my MOXF in the future.
Je ne sais pas pour toi, mais j'utilise actuellement le RD2000 et je suis pleinement satisfait. Au faite, la différence entre Fantom-0 et RD2000 est que RD2000 possède le V-piano.
@@manoaramiarimanana5635 V-Piano is the one feature, I wouldn't miss on the Fantom, the Supernatural Pianos seem to have the same quality. Nevertheless I am quite sure, you can't go wrong with the RD-2000 based on what I have seen and heard so far.
All three a great workstation my favourite i the YAMAHA MODX
I have a MODX and just ordered a Fantom O6. The MODX sounds fantastic in a studio or home environment, as we can hear in this video, but its a real pig through a PA without loads of EQ’ing, especially Piano and Brass.
u need a better properly setup PA system then the reason the yamahas are so popular in loud churches for instance is they cut through like no other board
The opposite is true for the Fantom 0s. Sounds pretty dull with monitor home/studio set-up. Definitely needs external EQ'ing. On board EQ does very little to improve. 😢
It's very subjective, I know, and Roland Fantom is the best one compared to the other two in terms of sounds.. Excellent! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
For those who think buying a 2k keyboard will make you a better better , think again. Honestly, just invest in some piano lessons and you can make a Casio sound good. Yamaha P series is great to learn on.
As always, great information Jack!! Keep up the hard work!!
ok buzz killington, Fair point but why? Seems like a bit of the green eyed monster there!
@@DamienConway666 It's also incorrect. A more expensive instrument will objectively make you better as a musician at any level (assuming translation to quality; as per Yamaha). People don't like to hear it. Especially from concert players like myself who own very expensive instruments; but it is nonetheless the truth. Some of the best Conservatoire and Orchestral pianists were just asked this very question at RAM. All but 2 (of 23) people cited the same opinion.
Practice/mindset is important (I would hope that goes without saying as obvious?) but no. No amount of skill will allow you to make a poorly made instrument sound good. That is a myth popularized by the poor.
What keyboard do you use?
@@ErraticFaith Sorry but that just can't relate to digital electronic instruments. The Fantom -0 is "poorler" made than the Fantom. But the sounds are the same. You could even play it from a better keyboard etc. This is not like a violin or a grand piano.
@@ErraticFaith counterpoint: a good player can do better stuff with my Casio than I can with my Nautilus, as I’m just some schmuck who comes home from work and tinkers on my synths here and there.
That said, you’re spot on.
My Casio keyboards have minimal patch adjustment capabilities, so if the sound doesn’t quite hit the feel I want, too bad (I do like both the 61 and 88 key Casios as USB MIDI controllers, though). My Juno DS 61 sounds good, and has great intuitive controls, but literally hurts my hands to play after 10 or 15 minutes.
My Nautilus 61 is a dream. I sat and played it for over an hour in the store and everything just fell into place for me. “Must have this!” (fortunately my wife consented to getting it as an early birthday present while it was on sale) It makes me want to play for long stretches without getting stuck against the machine. The keybed feels good, to me at least. The placement of the controls and menus make sense to me. I can quickly navigate the single patches and splits/layers (“combies”), as well as cook up new layers, or save a drum accompaniment and/or arpeggio pattern with a patch for instant recall the next day. It makes tinkering fun.
To me the Yamaha and the Nautilus sounded the best in terms of pianos. The Fantom to me just sounds thin, and doesn't even hold a candle to the other two. Jack is right though about the interface. The interface on the Roland and Nautilus just seems a lot more cleaner and more intuitive than the Yamaha.
The interface on the yamaha is slow.
The interface on the Nautilus is clunky because they wanted to go with less buttons than the Kronos' interface. They really need more, but they didn't do that so there is extra menu-diving versus Fantoms and Kronos. Certain things were worse than the cheaper, more menu-divey Kross, I forgot which, it has been a while since I took a look at a Nautilus at the local store. I love the Nautilus' sound, though, it is super good, almost makes me want to buy one, but the interface is off-putting enough to kill my lust for it, lol
I'l stick to my good ol' M50.
@@Jason75913 I know what you mean, interface wise. I would have liked to have got one myself. If only Korg didn't discontinue the Kronos/Kronos 2. I hope they release a new workstation similar soon.
The interface on the Yamaha is not slow. I own one and can tell you with 100% certainty I fly around live on that thing and transition seamlessly on it. I use it live and go from one sound and/or sound performance set to the next live without any issues. Cleary the person who mentioned this does not have real experience with the Yamaha MODX.
Any chance you can sort out the shipping cost to Scotland, as supposed to be free with the exception of Highlands.
Yamaha modx vs ck88? If it is just the sounds you are after and not workstation features, what about that?
Roland good sound
I'd love to hear Andrew talk about the pianos on the Fantom-0, in particular the resonances that they might have. I've had two people from Roland tell me they have string resonance, but every end-user I've spoken to says they don't so I'm really confused and curious as to what's going on.
Roland pianos do have string resonance as well as pedal resonance. It depends on the patch, but nearly all of them support it. If you have a big Fantom, than the V-Pianos support it too. Only a few of the older SRX pianos lack it.
@@geoffk777 That's certainly long been true, but like I said everyone I've spoken to who owns a Fantom or Fantom-0 says they can't produce any on the SuperNatural pianos on those units. I've even had one person send me a video of them trying to produce it and as far as I can tell there wasn't ant. I'd love to see a video of someone really doing a good test to confirm for sure.
@@theverysinfulcaterpillar5788 That's interesting. String resonance is an adjustable parameter for the SuperNatural pianos on the FA-08 and other Rolands, but doesn't seem to be a setting on the Fantom's Sn expansion packs. A fellow on Reddit was also trying to confirm this a couple of weeks ago, and couldn't find it documented anywhere. I'll have to give it a go on my Fantom and see.
As a spoiled acoustic piano player (real grand pianos or good software vsts) string and pedal resonance is the first thing I usually look into. Lots of digital pianos (especially hardware) have both features, but they are pretty weak compared to the real thing, even if you crank it up to the max. For example I found a convincing pedal resonance in my MOXF, an ok one in my Kawai MP6 and a crappy reverb-based simulation on the Kurzweil PC4/K2700. Good thing is, if you play more in a rock/pop context with drums, bass, etc., it doesn't matter, not so cool on more exposed performances.
@@ravenmusic932 Actually, the Montage/MODX doesn't have string resonance; only pedal resonance. But the pianos are excellent in spite of this. In fact, the K2700 pianos are very good and better, in my opinion, than the pianos on the Kronos, which does have both. So it's an important feature, but not the final determiner.
Yamaha for me. Although the Roland was a very close second.
I have tested the Fantom o6 today. The only thing i’m intrested in was the quality of the sounds. honestly i was not blown away , little bit disapointed with this board.
I’m looking for a second board. I already have the Yamaha Montage. Next week I will test the Nautilus.
I have a MODX6 and also the Fantom 6. The Fantom is incredible and the V piano engine on the main Fantom is worth the money alone, I'd humbly advise you test both Fantoms out before you make your decision on which to buy. However, money regardless. The MODX to me is a bargain. I bought over the montage which is also brilliant for lightness and also that it just sounds amazing. The Nautilus is in my opinion too expensive over the other two options. I'd wait for a new Korg Flagship soon rather than a Kronos/Nautilus. Just my opinion.
Is korg likely to launch a new flagship for kronos what u think?
V piano isnt in Fantom 0 series only the Fantom I believe
I like the Roland… but also Yamaha’s mellow strings and Rhodes. Korg has a good piano, but everything else surprisingly dull.
may i have the one with the ding?
How do these compare to the genos?
Modx8 Great Keyboard.
The significant difference in weight/price between the 06/07/08 and the 6/7/8 flagship line is the V-Piano tech and the keyboard mechanics associated with it. The rest is almost the same (physical layout differs and a knob/button here and there).
Isn’t there reduced polyphony as well?
Loved the Roland, that one really done it for me in all ways, really nice piece of kit.
Good comparaisons!
Sound wise; 1st Yamaha, 2nd Roland, 3rd Korg.
Roland is more on Electronic side
Korg is more on a Classic Style
Yamaha is both electronic and classic.
the pinao sound you used in nautilus A001 is not bad but there is another one in A002 called italian grand that sounds much better. it even sounds better than many VSTs
I though the same thing ...I own the Nautilus and MODX
Roland sound is more dry but it's supposed to be like this cause you can edit the sounds than it will sound better but the nautilus killed it, it's sad that korg didn't got too many buttons to edit it live
MODX is the best for me.
Hey I'll buy a ding/dented item!
Yamaha pronounces it as "MO-D-X" (as in MOtif, DX-7), so you might want to as well, instead of "MOD-X"
@Rhizosphere They're trying to sell the things, they should use the proper names!
@Rhizosphere It's your usual ignorant American opinion. Since the vast amount of users aren't even English speakers. We don't pronounce most of the units the same way here. Primarily because we don't hit a hard 'D' sound in several of our dialects. It's a tiring discussion most of the time honestly. Do remind me of which nation Yamaha corporation comes from. I'll wait.
It’s short for More DX, I think 😁
@Rhizosphere I wasn't aiming my comment at you. That seems to be some assumption you've made. America is our enemy; they feel much the same vice versa. An opinion also held by our allies in Russia. I don't feel the need to apologise for geopolitics. Americans are worthless vermin. If you dislike my stance - that is more than fine. We are but adults with different views. You aren't far from me. Hello from the great dragon /wave.
Names do matter. You know that too is opinion - but also one held commonly by us in Asia where the meaning in names is extensive. So you'll forgive me for conforming to our custom. Just because you don't care, obviously doesn't mean anyone else is obligated to feel the same way.
I was closer to agreeing with you in this context. Since the discussion wasn't about that either way but since the original comment is incorrect - and all the brands are here with us and Japan. I would imagine the point of origin matters more than the do nothing west.
Korg✌️🎹👍
Please consider, this is not Fantoms best Organ. There is a tone wheel organ (only available on Zone 2). It was not used in that comparison.
Roland Fantom 0 more real, organic, sutil...fo me is better Roland Fantom 0 and is more cheap than nautilius.
I hated the Fantom 0 interface I found the MODX way easier for me
I am excited for ROLAND's Andrew working to share and show the instrument to er'body. Thanks, Andertons!
I think a forefront interest of mine is the FANTOM-0's organ control, where we see so few hardware control organs for a sub-$2,000 instrument.
I feel something hurting the instrument is what appears to be lacking velocity sensitivity in the pads. There's no mention of it in the manuals, and I believe I've heard nobody mention it in the videos I've seen.
I feel the instrument's strengths are the controls, and pricepoint versatility.
At the fifteen hundred dollar price tag, the FANTOM-06 may be doing twice its price tag if you were to have separate hardware modules for er'vrything; like a $600 Ferrofish hardware organ emulator, an $800 MPC doing your sampling, drum machine and on-device songwriting, at least $500 worth of an analog synthesizer in terms of the virtual analog Zen-core synthesis engine onboard the FANTOM-0, and any imaginable amount of money for your hardware piano and/or all the other instruments this rompler can romple - most of which probably sounds better than sub thousand dollar instruments, and that you can shape the sounds of far more than those cheaper instruments, thus adding to the pricepoint advantage.
I am aware of the _"it doesn't come with the same free sounds as with the FANTOM."_ Ed Diaz says this thing has upwards of 6,500 preset sounds onboard. That may be a bigger problem for some than for myself.
I feel this is a wonderfully accessible instrument that can be foundational for many writers, enthusiasts and performers. I feel it most definitely has a place, and I feel it's probably a strong competitor.
Fantom has 8 sliders. Organ needs 9 sliders. 9th slider is essential ))) Kronos/Nautilus allows to rule all 9 organ harmonics. Of course, Roland Fantom-0 allows to rule drawbars on the screen.
If you remotely care about Organ accuracy stick to Yamaha YC or Sk-Pro. Whilst these here all can imitate organ they are a far cry from a dedicated waterfall and clone organ. It's not even substantially close, to the point I'd call them garbage compared to the first two.
Somebody buy some supporting brackets for that poor, wobbly table 😅
It seems to me that these ROMpler machine era will end faster than we thought, or maybe the market move to "developing" countries.. their sound quality is outdated by Virtual Instruments / softsynths
The market is probably smaller than ten years ago. For live use, though, it is much more convenient to use a standalone keyboard plus there is still the issue of latency. I also like to just switch on and play sometimes rather than waiting to boot up a PC and load up VSTs / large sample libraries etc.
ROMpler keyboard era is far from over, just try doing what keyboardists do with a MIDI controller and laptop with your sounds of choice.
And all of these keyboards in the video are overkill in sound quality for stage use most of the time.
@@Jason75913 I believe you're right, they are far from the end.. IMO also because of endorsement by respected musician, which imo, actually more about the musical quality, rather than instrument quality
That's what I imagined, but after having a master keyboard and a bucketload of VSTs for years, it's clear it'll never work for me. For studio work, fine, but for personal enjoyment or live, rarely.
The look that Jack gave the Nautilius at 4:28 as if he didn't play/like it. 💀
Great video, though I do miss the visits from D. Bingers and Mike Patrick (he's on tour though).
He isn't a large fan of the Korg feature set/bed on any of their boards. So he has a bias in that sense.
Korg sounds poor in all categories... Re the MODX, who the hell thought that big blue flashing light was a good idea? It looks like a police car is parked on your keyboard 😅
My ears, for what little it's worth:
Best piano: Yamaha
Best electric piano: Roland
Best organ: Roland
Best strings: Korg or Yamaha
Dammit. I've got a Kronos 2, and if I knowed then what I know now (really, if Roland had been further along with the Fantom development) I'd've bought the Fantom. And today, I'd probably buy a Roland "0" series -- probably the 6 or 7 for what I do -- although I'd definitely miss aftertouch on the lower-priced models.
Modx😘
On the video my pick was the Roland by far. But today I played these 3 boards (61 key versions) side by side at a music store.
Loved the look, form factor and feel of the Roland Fantom 06, preferred it to the Modx6. Lastly I approached the 61 key Nautilus chuckling to myself and shaking my head...."come on Korg this thing looks like an old M1 but probably heavier and even more menu diving LOL....the other two are light weight, have heaps of onboard controls...pathetic Korg!"🙄 Then I played the Nautilus...and to my ears it was in many ways better sounding than the other two...even if it looks like it was built in 1990! Unlike the other two the Korg had a nice Leslie sim that ramped up and slowed nicely.....not as good as my YC-73 but still pretty good. The Roland organs sounded good but the upper notes on fast Leslie sounded cheesy compared to the Korg and the Yamaha doesn't even have an organ engine. So until Korg brings out something of similar form factor to the Fantom 06 and Modx6 I will just stick to my old Korg Krome 61😁 I know it's subjective but I prefer the sound of the Nautilus over the other two.
У Yamaha Modx есть замечательные органы! Как Вы могли их не найти???
I make hiphop beats and I really wanted to hear ur opinion on sounds other then keys and organs.. like pads and brass and stuff. I’m in the air about getting the new Roland 06 or the Mod x… I’m a Yamaha freak but I’m leaning towards the Roland because it’s new and looks fire.. no new Yamahas coming? I do have to admit that Korg sounds like crap… sorry
I agree. These are more or less workstations with a full spectrum of sounds and here they are tested as if they were stage pianos.
I think this comparison is a bit unfair. The Nautilus and the Fantom are full featured workstations. The MODX is just a sample based synthesizer with an attached FM engine. Apart from that it is very bare bones in comparison. Also the Montage line is 6 years old now and it has been abandoned long time ago (last update 6/2020). Don't get me wrong, the MODX sounds great and it is affordable but IMHO it belongs into a completely different category. Maybe a Roland Juno-DS or Korg Kross would be on the same eye level.
True, but the Nautilus is like 11 years old really. It's definitely in the right category as if you're looking for a jack of all trades main keyboard with seamless transitions and a powerful setlist and you're not gonna pick up either the Nautilus or Fantom 0 ( I agree the sound engines count) then you're picking up the MODX let's be honest.
I went to Sweetwater yesterday and checked out Roland fantom 08 its made cheap all the way around to me my opinion keys feel like a toy also I checked out the Roland fantom 8 too what a keyboard the sound and feel is great but dont want to dish out $4000 for it checked out the Roland fp60x it felt good in sounds good but I also checked out the Roland fp 90x in it is appsoulutly beautiful sound in keys have wood in Im buying one its worth buying at $2.199😀 ...
Great playing Jack as always
I also checked out the Kawai es7 it outshines the Kawai es920
just saying 😌
Love you Jack, but I'm always confused by the emphasis you place on patches.
I don't think musicians spend $2000 - $4000 on a synth/workstation so they can use the default patches. Most people tweak or download other presets.
I think you should focus a lot more on user interface, weight, functionality, daw integration, etc.
It’s mainly in the effort to make a shorter more consumable video. I personally find in depth programming videos a hiding to nothing anyway as it’s just seems an open invitation for more conjecture and most likely criticism “Why didn’t you use the so and so’s mod matrix to send a midi message to your toaster to adjust the browning on the toast etc” I personally don’t use 99% of what I demo on here either and am just trying to give the perspective of a punter walking into the shop and having a play. This is really the Andertons Music channel and certainly not the Jack Duxbury channel - lord knows how bad that would be!! Thanks so much stopping by though and the constructive comment Kene 🙏🏻
I thought the Korg had the better sounding piano and Rhodes piano. Roland had the best organ, and Yamaha has the best strings.
Where's Kurzweil K2700? 🤔😉
Roland has somehow managed to have a worse piano sound than they did 20 yrs ago, which is an amazing feat. The Roland "rhodes" is even worse than piano (which is par for the course with Roland). Strings sound good, but everyone does decent strings.
Well, Adrian who runs the “Bad Gear” show always says Roland keeps him busy. I think this is largely due to Roland frequently making gimped repackages of otherwise usable classic hardware.
1) Yamaha
2) Roland
3) Korg
Korg all the way.
Man the Korg just absolutely totally destroys them, it’s not even a fair competition…. The other 2 sound like toys…
something is missing in roland's piano sound.. i can't explain what it is. sounds dry, sounds emotionless, sounds soulless
Я думаю это решается ревебрацией, но почему Роланд сами этого не сделали - непонятно
Agree that out of the box the Fantom’s pianos are sub par. However, after proper tweaking they are beautiful and varied. The gentleman from Merriam Pianos had the same criticism of the Roland Pianos on the Rd-2000, but he said that after dialing them in with proper adjustments he felt the pianos were among the best. Don’t know why all the companies don’t spend more time dialing in proper adjustments for the pianos as it would save a lot of time for the end user to have several highly customized sounds. But everyone’s preferences and needs are different so probably makes a lot of sense to encourage the user to adjust to their own likes.
@Rhizosphere there's a sound in the nautilus called italian grand that sounds pretty good
@Rhizospherelisten to this with headphones:
ruclips.net/video/BWNusJB5ktg/видео.html
@@brianlewis5360 Are there tutorials to customise the piano sound to sound good? I know pianos are very subjective but I always struggle to like the pianos.
That korg is clearly superior
2:15. Noice
The strings felt better with the fantom to me like for vocals. Felt like you had perfect space for fantom
2:41 sounds really good
Feels intuitive to like sing with it I’m not battling with it. The other strings feel too powerful fur me. They sound more realistic though.
I taste the horse hair in my mouth.
Noice or nice?😄
Organ and string korg is better
Fantom sounds better
Inspite of all the fantom fanboy‘s comments I still think that the awkward and brazen Roland Cloud policy speaks against the fantom. Adding a few expansions easily sets you back more than 500 bucks. And if you want to sell the whole expanded thing some day because the next best synth of all times hits the market, Roland will not allow you to transfer the expansion licenses. You will be stuck with them forever without being able to use them yourself once the hardware is gone. Ridiculous.
NO A F T E R T O U C H ! 🤬
They don't want to beputting aftertouch on anything less than flagship keyboards. No matter how many more decades you spend complaining. I'm actually curious as to why.
Roland Fantom 0 looks better than the Roland Fantom. A lot of good sounds but the Roland Fantom just looks too ugly to me
i dot like waiting days to view a "short"! anyways the Roand wins and so it should its new,but the korg sounds like it looks...(boring)
The Korg is lower in volume level, which can give that impression in a side-by-side comparison, plus it has a warmer sound, so I bet you'd change your mind after raising its volume and boosting its upper midrange and lower treble with EQ.
Never buy Korg products. Consider yourself warned 💯
What s wrong with Yamaha Rhodes? sounded like crap and crapping out, ewwwwww
Fantom was best Epiano and Rhodes. Nautilus had best Pianos, strings and organ. MODX was trashhhhhh. I guess Yamaha saved their good acoustic sounds for the Genos...
Came to the Guildford store and brought a piano, guy who sold me the keyboard didn't know who the Maltese Falcon was, didn't know who Jack was or what the forbidden rift was! Very disappointing! They better have got their act together for next time when I come and drop a load of cash otherwise I will have to come a third time and fourth and fifth 😂😁
Yamaha..........tis.
My two cents, based on personal taste only:
Acoustic piano: Korg (I take it that's the Italian Grand)
E-piano: Roland
Organ: Roland
Strings: Yamaha
*Pianos:* They're all really bad, honestly. Korg wins, but there's nothing there for me.
*Rhodes:* Korg's best as well
*Organ:* Tie between Korg and Yamaha
*Strings:* Not sure really, not feeling them.
You'd think I am a Korg fan, but I used to have a Yamaha Motif XS8, now I have Nords (E6D + Grand)