Since when and since why were you NEVER a Kurtzweil fan?? Kurtzweil and Yamaha were the go to boards for top pianist in all genres for years because the samples are simply stellar, but I always hated the price tag and the semi and fully weighted keys as I'm not a pianist but rather prefer synth leads and bass. But if you put this in a rack where I can go ham with a synth action midi keyboard, then it's on. I can do without the sample and drum pads as I use MIDI for that. Don't vision any live performance using drum pads on a Kurtzweil; just by a Roland drum unit for that; its much smaller, lighter in weight (Kurtzweil's will give you a hernia and I already have one. Not about to pay someone to carry my damn keyboard for me). And you won't freak completely out if you spill a little beer on it.
Kurzweil is a kind of different beast than the others though. Best described as digital modular. The flexibility of its synthesis engine is kinda legendary and it is perhaps the ultimate chameleon in that it can impersonate just about anything. In a mix is where it's strongest I think. Also the KDFX thing that's in each and every Kurzweil is worth considering. It's basically like having a Lexicon PCM80 or Eventide studio quality multi FX box inside your keyboard. The others are good too. The Montage has that FM thing and sounds really good. I'd probably buy the K2700 out of these three though.
@@nzmal Haha I hear that. I tried the PC4 and returned it. It was just the keyboard wasn't to my taste. I bought the K2700 and yeah, it's pretty much hit the spot for me. The keybed I mean. It's a weird thing I don't know. Maybe only Kurzweil do this type of keybed where it's not quite as good as other keybeds for piano (like say some Roland digital piano actions; rd2000 maybe comes to mind) but it's weighted and it has aftertouch. It's like they're deliberately trying to find a balance between piano, synthesizer and some other third thing. I really like it and I've not seen anyone else try to go for this kind of keybed in this type of keyboard. But yeah you pay for it with weight haha. It is what it is though.
KDFX has some of the best Reverbs. Yamaha's Effects engine as well as the AN-X engine are excellent as well: they model at the components and circuit level.
exactly - the eps on that thing - that's why I just ordered a moodx. 1 thing I realized.. When you but a keyboard, the one ting they're supposed to get right is emulating real isturments w / keys - Piono rhods organ etc. That's what kurz got right!
Same feel here. Muddy, dark... and despite Korg say that the Nautilus share dunnowhat with the Kronos... well... they sounds day and night (i have the Kronos 88LS... and all those "dark" patches sounds absolutely gorgeous on the Kronos!)
Just to be pedantic, I downloaded the video and converted the audio to mono. Stereo piano samples sometimes fall apart when summed to mono and let's be honest; most gigging musicians playing in local clubs are going to be playing in mono. All four boards actually held up well, much better than keyboards used to back when I started, but the Yamaha lost that sense of detail and sounded much more 'pingy', whereas the Kurzweil maintained the warmth and depth. Surprisingly, the Nautilus piano sounded way better in mono, with nice detail and dynamics. I've been a Yamaha fanboy for years but recently started using Kurzweil boards (I own a Forte 7 and PC4, but hopefully soon a K2700) and the programmability and sonics are absolutely top notch.
I always insist on stereo. There is soooo much presence lost in a mono signal. I have my own mixer on stage - a Zoom L12, so I will never take more than 2 channels and can control my own foldback with out affecting FOH.
@@JimAlfredson Thanks for the reply Jim. I am guessing the weekend warriors are settling for mono because of a lack of channels in the mixer, most of which the drummer usually takes ... My take on that is that you do whatever it takes to make the band sound better.
Great video. Loved how you kept the sample riffs short and sweet. To me, the Kurzweil sounds far superior on all counts...piano, synth, horns especially. Helps me to move closer to getting a K2700 soon. Thanks for this.
the strings on the K2700 are really good, with yamaha a close second. but i didn't like the K2700 piano presented here - it's too thin to my taste. but these short demos can be deceiving - i know from experience of playing both that the Korg brass samples are very thin, don't cut through in a band setting and sound very artificial, but here they sounded the best of all 4 so ... what gives
In this particular test the Kurzweil and the Yamaha seemed to come out as sonically superior, with the Zen core ac. pop piano used on the Roland sounding thin. However, as someone who owns both the Fantom and the Montage, the Fantom's Stage grand blows the montage CFX Concert away. The Kurzweil generally sounds great and I would personally prefer a 73 or 61 semi weighted. Korg needs a new flagship.... preferably one that takes less than 3 minutes to start up.
The new Kronos 2 V3 (has a SSD) isn't as slow to start up, and Nautilus is a bit quicker. They also sound a little cleaner and nicer, the Nautilus especially sounds rather clean compared to any other Korg. The Nautilus might have a more optimized PCB design, which could be part of Kronos' issues. Nautilus' interface is clunkier due to Korg reducing front panel buttons, more menu-diving for simple sound tweaks versus Kronos and even Krome EX and my old M50. Gosh dammit.
@@Jason75913 I have the Kronos 2 73 v3.....It STILL takes 2.5 minutes to boot! And the thing crashes all over the place! Mine became unreliable, so now it sits in a corner.
@@christiankennedy2212 tried a factory reset? The Kronos wasn't so crashy the times I messed with one in a local store. I wish I had a Kronos 2 61 v3. My Kross2 61 takes a while to start versus my old Juno-DS61, lol
The Kurzweil VAST engine remains abstruse to this day, unexploited, it otherwise would push everything out of its class. The VA1 engine also remains little known, yet the specs would imply it would easily stand apart from similar boxes. Kurzweil doesn't help themselves by providing very tame examples of their synth programs, even with a massive voice count. K2700 is a must have.
damn, I want all four! some of the difference is in the keyed action and how it influences playing style which can have a big impact on sound quality. Excellent video, like I said, makes me want a Kurzweil K2700 (I already have the other three)
Like the Kurzweil personally. Wished they added a bigger screen and touchscreen UI like the others. I’d prefer a 61 key K2700. I know none of those things will come and it is what it is.
@@matthewgaines10 That's why it's going to be less expensive than the flagship K2700. The audio interface doesn't matter much: you can always use an external one. Less Flash Storage doesn't mean less sounds: it's one of the most advanced synthesizers ever and it will have the same engine as the K2700, which is Dynamic V.A.S.T. & Cascade Mode, with a very powerful KDFX section. With this you can make almost any sound imaginable. Learn V.A.S.T.
Thank you for the comparison. I have an old Kurzweil PC 2x and the piano still sounds great. And the K2700 piano did not disappoint. Overall, I thought the Kurzweil was the best one, except for the Nautilus regarding the strings. The Korg’s strings (or pads) are just amazing.
I really wish we could get a comparison of the workstationness of workstations not just a sound comparison. What are the sequencers like? How close to final song can I get entirely on the workstation? Can I upload and download tracks from my DAW? Do they have usable audio recording capabilities or just phrase sampling? All modern high-end keyboards sound fantastic. But many of us olde skool workstation people want to use a one-stop-shop keyboard for everything.
Nautilus for composing and producing away from a PC (bears a classic linear sequencer), Fantom for Ableton integration, Montage/MODX for Cubase integration. The Fantom has audio recording, too, and has the better sequencer after the Nautilus. Nautilus has the most fully-customizable insert FX and FX routing, however. If you want to work mainly with a DAW, then go with Ableton + Fantom, otherwise, Nautilus for composing and producing standalone. All can also do USB audio & MIDI, except possibly the Kurzweil, I know nothing about that one.
For me this is about application.... If you're looking at a live board then having a brighter sound which is going to have a bit more presence in the mids and highs is likely to feel like it's better in a live mix. The Kurzweil stuff tends to feel quite mellow compared to other boards and so sits back in a mix pretty well and doesn't always draw attention to itself, the Yamaha and Roland stuff tends to make itself stick out more because of the presence boost in the mids and/or highs. I felt that the level of detail offered in Kurzweil and Korg products presented here was more refined and despite the Korg being pretty dark their samples are generally quite detailed. For those who said Korg are working the same old samples they're just taking a leaf from Kurzweil and Roland's book who have been working many of the same samples for far longer. The difference is with each iteration they're improving the processing and breathing new life into them. I would actually go back and purchase a 2700 now having owned the last iteration PC4 briefly (which I felt was very plasticky and cheap) after a Forte (which kept crashing) and two PC3Ks (which I loved and played to death) and a K2600 (which was an epic machine) I feel the technology has come far enough to feel that Kurzweil are back in the game, however 88 fully weighted boards aren't for me anymore so unless Kurzweil brings out a version with a smaller keybed 73/76 it won't be for me.
and on-board tone and filter controls can mellow out the Korg and Roland keyboards they all sound great, and it would have helped if the demonstrator's patch selection was a little better (I know for a fact that it wasn't, having auditioned all of these myself in person before, ignoring the Kurzweil), and volume levels weren't matched it really boils down to which keyboard's workflow works for you, in my opinion, and patches will matter a lot if you aren't into sound design as they are all highly complex and equally versatile otherwise - keybed, too, if you are very picky about that but these are all great in that aspect, the stuff that sucks in build quality are the lower end instruments like the Kross2
Yamaha wins for piano, Kurzweil wins for Rhodes, Nautilus wins on strings and horns. All great though. The Roland pianos are disappointing though. I wish they would update their piano library instead of using the dated V-Piano and Supernatural stuff.
Based on the comments, I guess many ears have gotten used to bright imitation pianos but to me the Korg Nautilus sounds most like the real thing, like an order of magnitude better than all the others. Kurzweil earned a worthy second place (in this demo at least). Roland finished last for me, with an overall bland and plastic sound, but perhaps they have some built-in fx to beef up the sound. Maybe it's time someone organizes and posts a "battle" between these four instruments, each of the instruments played by an expert in playing and in the instrument itself?
same here, Nautilus sounds closer to the real thing, or more like we're listening to a Kontakt sample library, it's awesome But Korg has sucked at piano for so long that that may be a bias among some listeners ("Korg can't do piano.")
1. Kurzweil 2. Korg 3. Yamaha 4. Roland, but of course, that is just how those sounds come through to my ears. Roland tends to sound less clear, Yamaha is clearer but sounds thinner. Personally, I miss the earlier 2000s when a lot of this stuff came in rack versions, why get a heavy unit with all those keys when you could just get a rack case with all of them, and still get to choose the MIDI controller you want. Honestly, the "features" never mattered to me as much as the sounds have. Sure, some could say what is the point of a rack, why not just get it all in a VST, but we are not at that point when you can reliably tour and put heavy mileage on VSTs without glitches, pops, crackles, hisses, software failure, freezups, crashes. The best solution at this point is to get the smallest version of the one you want and use it mainly as a sound module while using the keyboard controller you want.
not sure what you guys are running these thru or the compression final format. I have a Roland and a kronos, something isnt cmoing thru right on all of these.
Fantom sucked at acoustic/electric piano (as usual for Roland) but of course had a decent synth brass (yawn). The Korg sounded like it's behind a pillow (in a canyon) on everything, but sounded okay on horns. Kurzweil was surprisingly good on everything. Montage is a strange beast. Like and hate it at the same time.
Listened to this several times, including headphones and a pretty big pa system. The Kurzweil by far has the best sounds. I used to be a fan of Roland, but recently with the FA series being discontinued and the Fantom series just not cutting it (seems to be the same old Roland stuff in a new box), I think the KZ shines. Although Kronos is no longer made either and the Nautilus has great sounds, the KZ wins in my opinion on a piano without the bite, strings and pad that are more realistic, and the sound banks and internal engine for programming are great. If you are not familiar with the KZ it can be quite intimidating at first to program, but once you understand the VAST tech, its killer.
Piano was best on Kurzweil to me, Rhodes sounded the coolest on the Yamaha, I preferred the Korg for Strings, and I couldn't call a winner on the synths and the horns. The Roland sounded surprisingly weak in this comparison IMO.
From my perspective, I listened this tone selection (and it´s difficult to assure that selection was good), the K2700 makes a nice job in each category. Because I know very well the "Fantom Power", this particular shootout doesn´t extract his qualities, maybe because the model used is a 61 with light keys and not the hammer action that could better use the dynamics of this tones (as on the Kurzweil). Montage and Nautilus do not goes very well, from my point of view and taste, of course.
They all sounded good, but I'm a bit biased towards Yamaha. All my albums were done with a Deepmind 12, Hydrasynth and a Montage 6. Together they are like one super synth. Good shootout!
Nowadays, you can't go wrong with any of them. I wouldn't go by this video because the sounds weren't programmed exactly the same, especially the synth sounds. The only type of sound where I saw significant difference was the piano and I thought the Yamaha and the Korg were the best. I would like to have seen an organ comparison with the drawbars all set the same. I have a Kurzweil PC3K8 and I love it so if I was going to upgrade I would probably go with a Kurz. I think for workstations it all comes down to which interface and keybed do you like the best. You're pretty much going to be able to get whatever sound you want out of any of them.
-Nautilus won for me for Grand, Rhodes and Horns. Kurzweil did best for the 80s brass. Rhodes also was good on Kurz and Montage. Montage and Kurz had the best strings, though Fantom surprised me here. Overall, Nautilus still sounds good.
Yamaha has pianos, but the Kurzweil and the Korg made me feel like I was in front of a real grand. Yamaha, stop using EP sounds from 2001 on the Montage, please, it does the job yes but it's getting old. Also felt as if the Korg's EP was muffled (considering the Kronos EPs sound delicious, Nautilius doesn't do the Korg line justice).
it's just a matter of tweaking the settings, this shootout seemed to be all over the place in that aspect, for whatever reasons Nautilus does nothing bad to the Korg line, in my experience, besides bring a clunkier version of the Kronos interface (why the fk did they even do that?)
Kurzweil is a nice surprise! There is always something wrong for me with montage except for the piano sound. I believe the fantom can do much better than what we’ve seen here. And the korg is just "lost" in this company... I guess kronos is too early discontinued.
Kronos livespan was over 11 years…. Its just the nautilus is not a replacement of the Kronos… its a downgrade middle lass key… the Kronos replacement is still not ready, Korg spends to much time on the software side of things
I have a Fantom and an old Korg Karma. The Fantom is a great "synth" but I prefer the acoustic type sound from the Korg. When they are in the mix, both are great.
Roland and Korg sounded as if they were playing through a cloth on a couple of sounds. I'd probably give the overall win to the Montage, but to be fair, each synth had at least one win with the chosen sounds.
Great comparison. I love it all the way.. Great comparison jack... Kurzweil really learns how to compete with others... Personally i love them all. Thay have different taste.. Nautilius realy fat brass and Ep...
Kurzweil to me sounded WAY better in every category, with Korg in second place. One thing that wasn't mentioned here, is that of these 'similarly priced' keyboards, only Kurzweil has an 88 weighted keyboard. I never owned a Kurzweil or Korg (only Yamaha and Roland), but the K2700 is going to replace my Roland FA08 very soon.
Since this comment is a year old, how has the K2700 treated you? I also have an FA-08 that’s served me well since 2018 but I’m due for an upgrade. I was originally going to save up for a Fantom 8, in part because I’m a Roland fanboy for their synth sounds and workflow, and in part because I love the idea of using it to control a modular rig with the CV outs. That said it’s a little cost-prohibitive atm (same with the Montage and I LOVE Yamaha’s synth sounds too) so now I’ve found myself torn between either a Nautilus or the K2700.
Honest. I'm suprised. I thought that Yamaha and Korg will be first. But seriously. Kurzweil sound veeery good. Most neutral. Patches are fit to each other.
Let us remember that the exposed sounds have been reproduced without editing, that is, as they come from the factory on each of the platforms. However the pianos sound much better on the Kurzweil and on the Montage the harpsichord sounds better on the Kurzweil. Nobody can compete with the vintage trumpets of the Fantom, but what really surprised me were the violins, Kurzweil K2700, the Korg Nautilus and then the Yamaha Montage took the prize and in that order. Because it surprised me, because in deep editing The Roland Fantom AND the kurzweil K2700 are the ones with the most capabilities, regardless of what the Montage can offer.
wow, the pianos sound so different. Kurzweil and Yamaha quite similar but very electric (the Yamaha is brighter with more attack), the roland sounds like crap, and the Korg like a muddy recording of a real piano?
I have a Montage and never cared much for the CFX pianos. I usually use the Imperial Grand. Though a couple days ago I picked up an old, extremely beat up Kurzweil K2000. After a bit of tinkering I got it to work, and I was surprised by how good some of the sounds were for something that's around 30 years old now. The Montage does have a lot of great sounds though. It's kind of hard to do fair comparisons like this without using a few different presets of each type. There are lots of different pianos/strings/synth sounds to choose from on each model.
Don’t worry, the Roland keyboards aren’t about the stock sounds, they’re about the customizability and layerability. If you double a piano with a second piano going through a Leslie with reverse reverb and a mellow bass sound fortifying the low end, all of a sudden it wins every shootout. The “brass” sounds are kind of trash, but that’s life.
Yamaha had the best piano, hands down. The Roland had the best strings and electric piano. The Kurzweil was the best on everything else. The KORG,…. my personal opinion was that it couldn’t offer anything of value.
Love the Kurzweil….but how is it for live performances. I Have a Kronos2 and Nord Stage 3 now. Love the set list capabilities of both. Does the 2700 have that capability ? If so easy to use and program ??
They're all FAB boards. So many programs and many ways to edit and shape the sounds. Not a bad buy in there depending on what you are trying to do and how you like to work.
None were perfect. For me, the Yamaha came out on top overall. The Kurzweil come out at the bottom. However, if you were giving any of them away I would be happy to accept what is offered!!!
I own a montage 8 keyboard. Back in the 90s before my Yamaha I loved the kurzwell because it had a long ribbon under the screen for your pitch bend instead of the wheel. I’m surprised that the korg got my attention on sounds. It sounds more realistic and full. Don’t get me wrong here, each has it own potential sounds that it can produce. Thanks for showing the differences.
Yeah this sort of video doesnt really help me make up my mind because there are so many available in each board. A HUGE Part of the decision process is the sort of other features each offer. Especially in categories of sounds not really covered here. The “not meat and potatoes” sound. I did appreciate this video though. Not many of us have all these next to each other to compare.
How about you do a shootout of these workstations as workstations? As in, make a song on each one and show us how intuitive and easy it is to make songs on each workstation. Tell us which is the best for using as a workstation. Which one do you have to dive into a confusing menu most VS which is hands on knobs and sliders for changing sounds on the fly. Playing just the sounds really shows us nothing about the workstation capabilities. And the Montage and Fantom are not workstations according to each company. Yes, they can do a workflow, but they are not tru workstations.
That Roland piano sound still is a joke. My Fantom G was rubbish at it and it hasn't improved a single bit. Sad. Looking forward to the new Montage BTW :)
I'm a Kurz fun from the good old days of K2600/K2661 and Yamaha Motif series but I have to admit that I'm very impressed by the Korg Nautilus. Korg have made leaps and bounds over the last few years since the introduction of the Kronos series, specifically in the acoustic pianos/ electric keys department which was not their strongest selling point back in the days of the M3. Their programs sound full of character but not in a polished, over-processed plasticky way (i.e. Roland). They sound dark and broody even menacing in a captivating way. The sound evolves around and envelops you as the keys are held down. One may hear the ambience in the samples, getting the sense of the woodiness of the pianos, the bows of the strings, all those natural "imperfections" and sonic nuances that occur whenever an acoustic instrument resounds in a particular space. Korg is giving the impression that one is sitting in front of the actual sampled instrument(s). Very impressive, life-like and inspiring.
i liked the Kurzweil piano the best and overall also. I don't have a Kurzweil synth but I've listened to a few demos of the PC4-7, which is lightweight and affordable . I know this one here is the more expensive K27000, but the PC4 7 sounds just as good in my opinion. I have an old Yamaha Motif 6 and a very old Korg T3 . I'm mostly using the Motif right now.
Yamaha wins the piano. Kurzweil wins the Rhodes and strings (but the Yamaha has a sweet 90's video game XG like sound I like). Kurz had the fattest sound - Korg was not far away but sounded muffled. The Yamaha and Rolands were extremely tinny in comparison. But the Korg violently destroyed the competition in the horn department. All good keebs but I'd go for Col. Kurz judging by these sounds alone. That's my 2 cents, YMMV.
Kurtz sounded great. Surprisingly the Yamaha (other than piano) sounded weak. I often use the motif sound sets for my gigs and the montage in this video was not great. The Roland poly synth sound was good but many of their other sounds come off as being thin to my ear. The V piano is good though. My K2700 arrived today and I’m excited to get aquatinted with it. This video certainly made me feel about the purchase. We shall see.
Which of those keyboards can be reverted so I can play right hand part of a melody with left hand and vice-versa? Also, which of those keyboards allow setting notes to keys, so I can make a mirrored keyboard at D4, for example, to play the same pattern with the same fingers over the same notes in right and left parts of keyboard?
Different price points. I still have a Korg M50. Fifteen years and still love it. I wouldn't mind upgrading to the Nautilus but wow, it gets so much hate. But people have issues with all of these and others. I'm a fan of the RH3 keybed on the Korg 88. Not too heavy or too light. The keys are quiet. The keybed seems to be the most problematic in these other boards.
The problem with Kurzweil is they are no longer well made. I bought a PC3K6 in 2012 and have had a terrible time with it. Display faults, complete power supply and output board fault. Basically its just junk now. They are not helpful and you cannot even contact them in the US either. In Australia the Kurzweil importers wanted $1000 to replace the display! (I ended up doing it for $123 myself ) A friend of mine bought a stage piano new and the entire engine board went faulty within months. Sure they replaced it under warranty but that should never have happened in the first place. I would not trust them in a live situation either. The best sounding Kurzweil by far is the K2500/K2600 era. (even K2000) Much nicer sound and very well made and reliable too. They have got that super warm fat sound that these new Kurzweil's actually no longer have. I have compared the new ones to the older models and the older models kill them. LFO Store have released new sound banks for these older models and they sound incredible. Don't even go there. Buy something well made such as Yamaha or Roland. You will be grateful you did in the end.
@jeffevansmusic I’d be interested to see your comparison video. I saw another where a guy compared a K2661 to a PC4 and it was an eye opener. Would you link it or DM me? The K2700 sounded pretty good here, so I’m hoping the K2700 sounds better or at least on par with the K26xx. lThanks!
Never been a Kurzweil fan, but have to admit that it's overal the best sounding in this video.
Since when and since why were you NEVER a Kurtzweil fan??
Kurtzweil and Yamaha were the go to boards for top pianist in all genres for years because the samples are simply stellar, but I always hated the price tag and the semi and fully weighted keys as I'm not a pianist but rather prefer synth leads and bass.
But if you put this in a rack where I can go ham with a synth action midi keyboard, then it's on.
I can do without the sample and drum pads as I use MIDI for that. Don't vision any live performance using drum pads on a Kurtzweil; just by a Roland drum unit for that; its much smaller, lighter in weight (Kurtzweil's will give you a hernia and I already have one. Not about to pay someone to carry my damn keyboard for me). And you won't freak completely out if you spill a little beer on it.
Nautilus is the clear winner if you pile them up in your home!
Kurzweil is like the red headed step child of the keyboard market
Kurzwell is the best. Incredible machine seriously.
As far as the sounds go, I personally felt: Kurzweil > Yamaha > Korg > Roland.
For me, the Kurzweil was easily the winner here. It just sounded so much less 'digital' than the rest, whatever the patch.
Kurzweil is a kind of different beast than the others though. Best described as digital modular. The flexibility of its synthesis engine is kinda legendary and it is perhaps the ultimate chameleon in that it can impersonate just about anything. In a mix is where it's strongest I think. Also the KDFX thing that's in each and every Kurzweil is worth considering. It's basically like having a Lexicon PCM80 or Eventide studio quality multi FX box inside your keyboard. The others are good too. The Montage has that FM thing and sounds really good. I'd probably buy the K2700 out of these three though.
The K2600 craps on some of these new keyboards
Got the PC4 which is fab… v easy to edit add etc without menu diving, and finally a kurzweil that doesn’t way 5 tons !! ✌️
@@nzmal Haha I hear that. I tried the PC4 and returned it. It was just the keyboard wasn't to my taste. I bought the K2700 and yeah, it's pretty much hit the spot for me. The keybed I mean. It's a weird thing I don't know. Maybe only Kurzweil do this type of keybed where it's not quite as good as other keybeds for piano (like say some Roland digital piano actions; rd2000 maybe comes to mind) but it's weighted and it has aftertouch. It's like they're deliberately trying to find a balance between piano, synthesizer and some other third thing. I really like it and I've not seen anyone else try to go for this kind of keybed in this type of keyboard. But yeah you pay for it with weight haha. It is what it is though.
KDFX has some of the best Reverbs. Yamaha's Effects engine as well as the AN-X engine are excellent as well: they model at the components and circuit level.
Kurzweil on every sound. What a marvelous right sound. Man, that Rhodes 🎉
Kurzweil is by far the best sounding
exactly - the eps on that thing - that's why I just ordered a moodx. 1 thing I realized.. When you but a keyboard, the one ting they're supposed to get right is emulating real isturments w / keys - Piono rhods organ etc. That's what kurz got right!
Kurzweil and Yamaha were at top for me. Roland sounded somewhat thin/bland. Korg was overall dull and muddy except for last 2 patches.
Pretty much my sentiment as well :)
Same feel here. Muddy, dark... and despite Korg say that the Nautilus share dunnowhat with the Kronos... well... they sounds day and night (i have the Kronos 88LS... and all those "dark" patches sounds absolutely gorgeous on the Kronos!)
Bingo
Kurzweil it's the Sound.
Just to be pedantic, I downloaded the video and converted the audio to mono. Stereo piano samples sometimes fall apart when summed to mono and let's be honest; most gigging musicians playing in local clubs are going to be playing in mono. All four boards actually held up well, much better than keyboards used to back when I started, but the Yamaha lost that sense of detail and sounded much more 'pingy', whereas the Kurzweil maintained the warmth and depth. Surprisingly, the Nautilus piano sounded way better in mono, with nice detail and dynamics. I've been a Yamaha fanboy for years but recently started using Kurzweil boards (I own a Forte 7 and PC4, but hopefully soon a K2700) and the programmability and sonics are absolutely top notch.
Your starting with crappy RUclips audio it's not accurate
Thats because Nautilus german 2 grand is sampled mono. 😊
I always insist on stereo. There is soooo much presence lost in a mono signal. I have my own mixer on stage - a Zoom L12, so I will never take more than 2 channels and can control my own foldback with out affecting FOH.
@@MKA63 Since I made that comment, I've been going in-ear and stereo and it's amazing. But again, most weekend warriors will be playing mono.
@@JimAlfredson Thanks for the reply Jim. I am guessing the weekend warriors are settling for mono because of a lack of channels in the mixer, most of which the drummer usually takes ... My take on that is that you do whatever it takes to make the band sound better.
The Kurzweil K2700 is THE big win for me! What a beast of a Workstation! 👌😍 I'm sold! 😎
Kurzweil is fantastic
Great video. Loved how you kept the sample riffs short and sweet. To me, the Kurzweil sounds far superior on all counts...piano, synth, horns especially. Helps me to move closer to getting a K2700 soon. Thanks for this.
What did you get? Leaning towards K2700 myself.
the strings on the K2700 are really good, with yamaha a close second. but i didn't like the K2700 piano presented here - it's too thin to my taste. but these short demos can be deceiving - i know from experience of playing both that the Korg brass samples are very thin, don't cut through in a band setting and sound very artificial, but here they sounded the best of all 4 so ... what gives
The Kurzweil patches overall sounded fuller in most examples.
In this particular test the Kurzweil and the Yamaha seemed to come out as sonically superior, with the Zen core ac. pop piano used on the Roland sounding thin. However, as someone who owns both the Fantom and the Montage, the Fantom's Stage grand blows the montage CFX Concert away. The Kurzweil generally sounds great and I would personally prefer a 73 or 61 semi weighted. Korg needs a new flagship.... preferably one that takes less than 3 minutes to start up.
The new Kronos 2 V3 (has a SSD) isn't as slow to start up, and Nautilus is a bit quicker.
They also sound a little cleaner and nicer, the Nautilus especially sounds rather clean compared to any other Korg. The Nautilus might have a more optimized PCB design, which could be part of Kronos' issues. Nautilus' interface is clunkier due to Korg reducing front panel buttons, more menu-diving for simple sound tweaks versus Kronos and even Krome EX and my old M50. Gosh dammit.
@@Jason75913 I have the Kronos 2 73 v3.....It STILL takes 2.5 minutes to boot! And the thing crashes all over the place! Mine became unreliable, so now it sits in a corner.
@@christiankennedy2212 tried a factory reset? The Kronos wasn't so crashy the times I messed with one in a local store.
I wish I had a Kronos 2 61 v3.
My Kross2 61 takes a while to start versus my old Juno-DS61, lol
@@Jason75913 The damn thing crashes while attempting to format from the factory DVDs, even with a brand new ssd.
@@christiankennedy2212 that needs to be fixed by a licensed Korg Service Center
The Kurzweil VAST engine remains abstruse to this day, unexploited, it otherwise would push everything out of its class. The VA1 engine also remains little known, yet the specs would imply it would easily stand apart from similar boxes. Kurzweil doesn't help themselves by providing very tame examples of their synth programs, even with a massive voice count. K2700 is a must have.
damn, I want all four! some of the difference is in the keyed action and how it influences playing style which can have a big impact on sound quality. Excellent video, like I said, makes me want a Kurzweil K2700 (I already have the other three)
I agree, I find especially better the Rhodes sound on the Kurz
Like the Kurzweil personally. Wished they added a bigger screen and touchscreen UI like the others. I’d prefer a 61 key K2700. I know none of those things will come and it is what it is.
K2061 soon
@@yashnu
But the K2061 is a stripped down unit. No audio interface and less Flash Storage (less sounds)
@@matthewgaines10 That's why it's going to be less expensive than the flagship K2700. The audio interface doesn't matter much: you can always use an external one. Less Flash Storage doesn't mean less sounds: it's one of the most advanced synthesizers ever and it will have the same engine as the K2700, which is Dynamic V.A.S.T. & Cascade Mode, with a very powerful KDFX section. With this you can make almost any sound imaginable. Learn V.A.S.T.
I'm curious why you skipped the Nautilus for the synth sound section.
i wondered this too, as Korg is known for its synths sounds too.
Likewise... skipping the Korg was strange???
The Kurzwiel takes it for me from just a sound demo.
Thank you for the comparison. I have an old Kurzweil PC 2x and the piano still sounds great. And the K2700 piano did not disappoint. Overall, I thought the Kurzweil was the best one, except for the Nautilus regarding the strings. The Korg’s strings (or pads) are just amazing.
I really wish we could get a comparison of the workstationness of workstations not just a sound comparison. What are the sequencers like? How close to final song can I get entirely on the workstation? Can I upload and download tracks from my DAW? Do they have usable audio recording capabilities or just phrase sampling? All modern high-end keyboards sound fantastic. But many of us olde skool workstation people want to use a one-stop-shop keyboard for everything.
Nautilus for composing and producing away from a PC (bears a classic linear sequencer), Fantom for Ableton integration, Montage/MODX for Cubase integration. The Fantom has audio recording, too, and has the better sequencer after the Nautilus. Nautilus has the most fully-customizable insert FX and FX routing, however.
If you want to work mainly with a DAW, then go with Ableton + Fantom, otherwise, Nautilus for composing and producing standalone. All can also do USB audio & MIDI, except possibly the Kurzweil, I know nothing about that one.
My vote would be for the Korg Nautilus as first (highest) overall preferred, then the Kurzweil K2700 second.
For me this is about application.... If you're looking at a live board then having a brighter sound which is going to have a bit more presence in the mids and highs is likely to feel like it's better in a live mix. The Kurzweil stuff tends to feel quite mellow compared to other boards and so sits back in a mix pretty well and doesn't always draw attention to itself, the Yamaha and Roland stuff tends to make itself stick out more because of the presence boost in the mids and/or highs. I felt that the level of detail offered in Kurzweil and Korg products presented here was more refined and despite the Korg being pretty dark their samples are generally quite detailed. For those who said Korg are working the same old samples they're just taking a leaf from Kurzweil and Roland's book who have been working many of the same samples for far longer. The difference is with each iteration they're improving the processing and breathing new life into them. I would actually go back and purchase a 2700 now having owned the last iteration PC4 briefly (which I felt was very plasticky and cheap) after a Forte (which kept crashing) and two PC3Ks (which I loved and played to death) and a K2600 (which was an epic machine) I feel the technology has come far enough to feel that Kurzweil are back in the game, however 88 fully weighted boards aren't for me anymore so unless Kurzweil brings out a version with a smaller keybed 73/76 it won't be for me.
and on-board tone and filter controls can mellow out the Korg and Roland keyboards
they all sound great, and it would have helped if the demonstrator's patch selection was a little better (I know for a fact that it wasn't, having auditioned all of these myself in person before, ignoring the Kurzweil), and volume levels weren't matched
it really boils down to which keyboard's workflow works for you, in my opinion, and patches will matter a lot if you aren't into sound design as they are all highly complex and equally versatile otherwise - keybed, too, if you are very picky about that but these are all great in that aspect, the stuff that sucks in build quality are the lower end instruments like the Kross2
Never say never.... you know you going to buy it 🙃
It’s all personal preference here but imo Kurzweil floors the others, natural warm sound, with more range and breath.
can't agree more
patch selection at times wasn't helping
Yamaha wins for piano, Kurzweil wins for Rhodes, Nautilus wins on strings and horns. All great though. The Roland pianos are disappointing though. I wish they would update their piano library instead of using the dated V-Piano and Supernatural stuff.
Based on the comments, I guess many ears have gotten used to bright imitation pianos but to me the Korg Nautilus sounds most like the real thing, like an order of magnitude better than all the others. Kurzweil earned a worthy second place (in this demo at least). Roland finished last for me, with an overall bland and plastic sound, but perhaps they have some built-in fx to beef up the sound. Maybe it's time someone organizes and posts a "battle" between these four instruments, each of the instruments played by an expert in playing and in the instrument itself?
same here, Nautilus sounds closer to the real thing, or more like we're listening to a Kontakt sample library, it's awesome
But Korg has sucked at piano for so long that that may be a bias among some listeners ("Korg can't do piano.")
I 1000% agree , I don’t know what some of these commentators are listening to, can’t be the same video. The Nautilus sounded REAL.
I was never a Kurzweil fan but I am now
kurz has always been king of sound.. but my old k2600xs was 6500 bucks twice as much as the others.. now they are much cheaper so they have a chance
1. Kurzweil 2. Korg 3. Yamaha 4. Roland, but of course, that is just how those sounds come through to my ears. Roland tends to sound less clear, Yamaha is clearer but sounds thinner. Personally, I miss the earlier 2000s when a lot of this stuff came in rack versions, why get a heavy unit with all those keys when you could just get a rack case with all of them, and still get to choose the MIDI controller you want. Honestly, the "features" never mattered to me as much as the sounds have. Sure, some could say what is the point of a rack, why not just get it all in a VST, but we are not at that point when you can reliably tour and put heavy mileage on VSTs without glitches, pops, crackles, hisses, software failure, freezups, crashes. The best solution at this point is to get the smallest version of the one you want and use it mainly as a sound module while using the keyboard controller you want.
Never thought I’d see Kurzweil on Andersons
I'd give the edge on synth sound to Roland and horns to the Korg, but overall the Kurweill definitely came out on top.
not sure what you guys are running these thru or the compression final format. I have a Roland and a kronos, something isnt cmoing thru right on all of these.
Fantom sucked at acoustic/electric piano (as usual for Roland) but of course had a decent synth brass (yawn).
The Korg sounded like it's behind a pillow (in a canyon) on everything, but sounded okay on horns.
Kurzweil was surprisingly good on everything.
Montage is a strange beast. Like and hate it at the same time.
Listened to this several times, including headphones and a pretty big pa system. The Kurzweil by far has the best sounds. I used to be a fan of Roland, but recently with the FA series being discontinued and the Fantom series just not cutting it (seems to be the same old Roland stuff in a new box), I think the KZ shines. Although Kronos is no longer made either and the Nautilus has great sounds, the KZ wins in my opinion on a piano without the bite, strings and pad that are more realistic, and the sound banks and internal engine for programming are great. If you are not familiar with the KZ it can be quite intimidating at first to program, but once you understand the VAST tech, its killer.
Piano was best on Kurzweil to me, Rhodes sounded the coolest on the Yamaha, I preferred the Korg for Strings, and I couldn't call a winner on the synths and the horns. The Roland sounded surprisingly weak in this comparison IMO.
My next workstation will be the 2700. I don’t like the way the Montage sounds. I love Roland’s sounds and pads.
Amen Brother
Nautilus samples are brilliant!
Kurzweil hace al resto de sintetizadores de juguete. Veo aquí mucho "fanboy" de otras marcas que sufren en silencio la superioridad de Kurzweil.
i think the nautilus was at the bottom of the pile..
The Nautilus is over priced.
Exactly. By far at the bottom
From my perspective, I listened this tone selection (and it´s difficult to assure that selection was good), the K2700 makes a nice job in each category. Because I know very well the "Fantom Power", this particular shootout doesn´t extract his qualities, maybe because the model used is a 61 with light keys and not the hammer action that could better use the dynamics of this tones (as on the Kurzweil). Montage and Nautilus do not goes very well, from my point of view and taste, of course.
They all sounded good, but I'm a bit biased towards Yamaha. All my albums were done with a Deepmind 12, Hydrasynth and a Montage 6. Together they are like one super synth. Good shootout!
Roland. Yamaha. Korg. . Kurz. 2700 . All them best
yamaha like serena on her "a" game, everyone else got crushed
Nowadays, you can't go wrong with any of them. I wouldn't go by this video because the sounds weren't programmed exactly the same, especially the synth sounds. The only type of sound where I saw significant difference was the piano and I thought the Yamaha and the Korg were the best. I would like to have seen an organ comparison with the drawbars all set the same. I have a Kurzweil PC3K8 and I love it so if I was going to upgrade I would probably go with a Kurz. I think for workstations it all comes down to which interface and keybed do you like the best. You're pretty much going to be able to get whatever sound you want out of any of them.
Roland has 'super natural' gimmick
woah the nautilus !
Korg is my opinion
Kruzweil 2,Roland 3,Yamaha 4...
Kurzweil for me, Korg comes 2nd place.
-Nautilus won for me for Grand, Rhodes and Horns. Kurzweil did best for the 80s brass. Rhodes also was good on Kurz and Montage. Montage and Kurz had the best strings, though Fantom surprised me here. Overall, Nautilus still sounds good.
Clearly the Kurzweil horn is superior
Yamaha has pianos, but the Kurzweil and the Korg made me feel like I was in front of a real grand. Yamaha, stop using EP sounds from 2001 on the Montage, please, it does the job yes but it's getting old. Also felt as if the Korg's EP was muffled (considering the Kronos EPs sound delicious, Nautilius doesn't do the Korg line justice).
it's just a matter of tweaking the settings, this shootout seemed to be all over the place in that aspect, for whatever reasons
Nautilus does nothing bad to the Korg line, in my experience, besides bring a clunkier version of the Kronos interface (why the fk did they even do that?)
Kurzweil has depth & is the most authentic out of this shootout !!
Korg was sonically the weakest..
Roland & Yamaha sound nice
The fantoms synth sound is hi brass from the JP8 model and just sounds incredible
Just give me my ipad and a good controller.
Kurzweil and Roland are the winners
Kurzweil is a nice surprise!
There is always something wrong for me with montage except for the piano sound.
I believe the fantom can do much better than what we’ve seen here. And the korg is just "lost" in this company...
I guess kronos is too early discontinued.
Kronos livespan was over 11 years…. Its just the nautilus is not a replacement of the Kronos… its a downgrade middle lass key… the Kronos replacement is still not ready, Korg spends to much time on the software side of things
I have a Fantom and an old Korg Karma. The Fantom is a great "synth" but I prefer the acoustic type sound from the Korg. When they are in the mix, both are great.
Roland and Korg sounded as if they were playing through a cloth on a couple of sounds. I'd probably give the overall win to the Montage, but to be fair, each synth had at least one win with the chosen sounds.
Rolands piano sounds pathetic.
Great comparison. I love it all the way.. Great comparison jack... Kurzweil really learns how to compete with others... Personally i love them all. Thay have different taste.. Nautilius realy fat brass and Ep...
Kurzweil to me sounded WAY better in every category, with Korg in second place. One thing that wasn't mentioned here, is that of these 'similarly priced' keyboards, only Kurzweil has an 88 weighted keyboard. I never owned a Kurzweil or Korg (only Yamaha and Roland), but the K2700 is going to replace my Roland FA08 very soon.
Since this comment is a year old, how has the K2700 treated you? I also have an FA-08 that’s served me well since 2018 but I’m due for an upgrade. I was originally going to save up for a Fantom 8, in part because I’m a Roland fanboy for their synth sounds and workflow, and in part because I love the idea of using it to control a modular rig with the CV outs. That said it’s a little cost-prohibitive atm (same with the Montage and I LOVE Yamaha’s synth sounds too) so now I’ve found myself torn between either a Nautilus or the K2700.
there’s a noise on the real rhodes that is the sound of when you release the key, that sound is on the fantom and kurzweil, love this kinda details
Honest. I'm suprised. I thought that Yamaha and Korg will be first. But seriously. Kurzweil sound veeery good. Most neutral. Patches are fit to each other.
They are so very close, but the only thing that puts the Kurzweil on the pole for me, is the Rhodes,
I agree with you. Korg really stood out for me too.
Let us remember that the exposed sounds have been reproduced without editing, that is, as they come from the factory on each of the platforms. However the pianos sound much better on the Kurzweil and on the Montage the harpsichord sounds better on the Kurzweil. Nobody can compete with the vintage trumpets of the Fantom, but what really surprised me were the violins, Kurzweil K2700, the Korg Nautilus and then the Yamaha Montage took the prize and in that order. Because it surprised me, because in deep editing The Roland Fantom AND the kurzweil K2700 are the ones with the most capabilities, regardless of what the Montage can offer.
deep editing for the strings? what can one do?
Interesting how the global eq is so different across the range.
more like, what was up with that? sounds to me like they had some odd settings going on
Ooo, I'd be happy with any of these. But from this short demo I'd say Yamaha and Kurzweil sounded the best :)
wow, the pianos sound so different. Kurzweil and Yamaha quite similar but very electric (the Yamaha is brighter with more attack), the roland sounds like crap, and the Korg like a muddy recording of a real piano?
That strings patch on the Korg though. Wow!
Yes, just wow how could Korg release such crap after Kronos.
@@djkot1981 exactly what I was thinking
Totally stood out.
I have a Montage and never cared much for the CFX pianos. I usually use the Imperial Grand. Though a couple days ago I picked up an old, extremely beat up Kurzweil K2000. After a bit of tinkering I got it to work, and I was surprised by how good some of the sounds were for something that's around 30 years old now. The Montage does have a lot of great sounds though. It's kind of hard to do fair comparisons like this without using a few different presets of each type. There are lots of different pianos/strings/synth sounds to choose from on each model.
Yamaha sounds soo Thin...
The worst part is I own a Fantom and I feel like it sounded the worst in every category pretty much 😂😭😂😭
Don’t worry, the Roland keyboards aren’t about the stock sounds, they’re about the customizability and layerability. If you double a piano with a second piano going through a Leslie with reverse reverb and a mellow bass sound fortifying the low end, all of a sudden it wins every shootout. The “brass” sounds are kind of trash, but that’s life.
Lol I'm with u there
He didn't select the better patches in the Fantom.
Strings, k2700 win
Yamaha had the best piano, hands down. The Roland had the best strings and electric piano. The Kurzweil was the best on everything else. The KORG,…. my personal opinion was that it couldn’t offer anything of value.
Love the Kurzweil….but how is it for live performances. I Have a Kronos2 and Nord Stage 3 now. Love the set list capabilities of both.
Does the 2700 have that capability ? If so easy to use and program ??
They're all FAB boards. So many programs and many ways to edit and shape the sounds. Not a bad buy in there depending on what you are trying to do and how you like to work.
None were perfect. For me, the Yamaha came out on top overall. The Kurzweil come out at the bottom. However, if you were giving any of them away I would be happy to accept what is offered!!!
Same here, and whatever patches I find dissatisfying, I would just tweak them to sound better to me.
The Nautilus had lots of interesting overtones which I liked. The Roland surprised me it sounded really boring.
I own a montage 8 keyboard. Back in the 90s before my Yamaha I loved the kurzwell because it had a long ribbon under the screen for your pitch bend instead of the wheel. I’m surprised that the korg got my attention on sounds. It sounds more realistic and full. Don’t get me wrong here, each has it own potential sounds that it can produce. Thanks for showing the differences.
Did not come across well. The Natilus sound was quite muted. Like it had a heavy blanket over it.
That's just your ears having problems adjusting between all the modern high quality synths and the 15 years old low sample rate stuff from the Korg.
Korg was my favorite, but then again, I'm a Korg guy. I was actually pleasantly surprised by the Roland as well. Nice review! Thumbs up.
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YES,KURZWEIL!👉
El Nautilus sorprendió a todos.
Yeah this sort of video doesnt really help me make up my mind because there are so many available in each board. A HUGE Part of the decision process is the sort of other features each offer. Especially in categories of sounds not really covered here. The “not meat and potatoes” sound. I did appreciate this video though. Not many of us have all these next to each other to compare.
Kurzweil FTW!
How about you do a shootout of these workstations as workstations? As in, make a song on each one and show us how intuitive and easy it is to make songs on each workstation. Tell us which is the best for using as a workstation. Which one do you have to dive into a confusing menu most VS which is hands on knobs and sliders for changing sounds on the fly. Playing just the sounds really shows us nothing about the workstation capabilities. And the Montage and Fantom are not workstations according to each company. Yes, they can do a workflow, but they are not tru workstations.
That Roland piano sound still is a joke. My Fantom G was rubbish at it and it hasn't improved a single bit. Sad. Looking forward to the new Montage BTW :)
And the Nord wins!
I'm a Kurz fun from the good old days of K2600/K2661 and Yamaha Motif series but I have to admit that I'm very impressed by the Korg Nautilus. Korg have made leaps and bounds over the last few years since the introduction of the Kronos series, specifically in the acoustic pianos/ electric keys department which was not their strongest selling point back in the days of the M3. Their programs sound full of character but not in a polished, over-processed plasticky way (i.e. Roland). They sound dark and broody even menacing in a captivating way. The sound evolves around and envelops you as the keys are held down. One may hear the ambience in the samples, getting the sense of the woodiness of the pianos, the bows of the strings, all those natural "imperfections" and sonic nuances that occur whenever an acoustic instrument resounds in a particular space. Korg is giving the impression that one is sitting in front of the actual sampled instrument(s). Very impressive, life-like and inspiring.
i liked the Kurzweil piano the best and overall also. I don't have a Kurzweil synth but I've listened to a few demos of the PC4-7, which is lightweight and affordable . I know this one here is the more expensive K27000, but the PC4 7 sounds just as good in my opinion. I have an old Yamaha Motif 6 and a very old Korg T3 . I'm mostly using the Motif right now.
Yamaha wins the piano. Kurzweil wins the Rhodes and strings (but the Yamaha has a sweet 90's video game XG like sound I like). Kurz had the fattest sound - Korg was not far away but sounded muffled. The Yamaha and Rolands were extremely tinny in comparison. But the Korg violently destroyed the competition in the horn department.
All good keebs but I'd go for Col. Kurz judging by these sounds alone. That's my 2 cents, YMMV.
Wich one has the best keypad???
Kurtz sounded great. Surprisingly the Yamaha (other than piano) sounded weak. I often use the motif sound sets for my gigs and the montage in this video was not great. The Roland poly synth sound was good but many of their other sounds come off as being thin to my ear. The V piano is good though. My K2700 arrived today and I’m excited to get aquatinted with it. This video certainly made me feel about the purchase. We shall see.
Personal preference being key
Which of those keyboards can be reverted so I can play right hand part of a melody with left hand and vice-versa? Also, which of those keyboards allow setting notes to keys, so I can make a mirrored keyboard at D4, for example, to play the same pattern with the same fingers over the same notes in right and left parts of keyboard?
Different price points. I still have a Korg M50. Fifteen years and still love it. I wouldn't mind upgrading to the Nautilus but wow, it gets so much hate. But people have issues with all of these and others. I'm a fan of the RH3 keybed on the Korg 88. Not too heavy or too light. The keys are quiet.
The keybed seems to be the most problematic in these other boards.
The problem with Kurzweil is they are no longer well made. I bought a PC3K6 in 2012 and have had a terrible time with it. Display faults, complete power supply and output board fault. Basically its just junk now. They are not helpful and you cannot even contact them in the US either. In Australia the Kurzweil importers wanted $1000 to replace the display! (I ended up doing it for $123 myself ) A friend of mine bought a stage piano new and the entire engine board went faulty within months. Sure they replaced it under warranty but that should never have happened in the first place. I would not trust them in a live situation either. The best sounding Kurzweil by far is the K2500/K2600 era. (even K2000) Much nicer sound and very well made and reliable too. They have got that super warm fat sound that these new Kurzweil's actually no longer have. I have compared the new ones to the older models and the older models kill them. LFO Store have released new sound banks for these older models and they sound incredible. Don't even go there. Buy something well made such as Yamaha or Roland. You will be grateful you did in the end.
@jeffevansmusic I’d be interested to see your comparison video. I saw another where a guy compared a K2661 to a PC4 and it was an eye opener. Would you link it or DM me? The K2700 sounded pretty good here, so I’m hoping the K2700 sounds better or at least on par with the K26xx. lThanks!
@@jaishchada I might do a video comparison myself here as I have both of them. They sound very different from each other, that I can say.
@@jeffevansmusic that would be great!
Kurzweil and Nautilus sounded best on all counts, for my ears.