Any one from the UK ? Xtreme are happy to ship to the UK, my recent order only took 4 days to arrive. The only down side is import duty but & thats a BIG BUT, its easily worth it for Xtreme Polishes & Glazes, their sealant, Poly-Seal & Topper are also both 'must haves' in your arsenal.
Great tips. I did a car that sat in a garage for three years and used most of your technics, specially the clay towel. It work great. Specially when I had limited time for the complete detail. 👍👍😎
Hi Phil, I use Tac Systems Total One Essential. 2 hrs between applying and adding a coating. If you use Quartz Max, then you have no waiting around time. Love this stuff.
Did my GT350 with TACsystem. Total One Essential Moonlight QuartzMax Shinee Wax to go blind from the gloss. Hindsight, I would use One Step Master instead of Moonlight. It’s much quicker and easier to apply. Phil, Total One Essential is a primer, but doesn’t contain fillers like CarPro Essence. I would take Essence over Total One Essential. Especially if not aiming for perfection. It’ll fill in the minor scratches, as you already know from experience. 🌟
Thanks for this explanation Mr. Miranda. I was experiencing some horrible issues with my Black paint. I would use Chemical Guys Wipe-Out after polishing then I would notice the rich black color would fade. Sometimes leave very light scratches while using the Rag Company's softest towels. This was making me crazy. So I would polish again, get the paint perfect. To prevent me from melting-down, I would take a break then I decided to apply CarPro CQuartz 3.0 WITHOUT a panel wipe. I was scared that there would be a chemical reaction...but no. I applied 2 coats then waited 24 hours and applied a coat of GLISS. There I noticed white-colored "dust" would occur when wiping off GLISS. So far no issues. Thanks for your input. I feel better after watching your video
Thanks..I don't use isopropyl for awhile now...ceramic coating applied to a sio2 polish after curing...with great results...the perfect prep for coating..mix 1 third acetone and 2 third Windex
Awesome explanation of your techniques and experience with the different products before applying a coating and skipping the IPA/Panel wipe step to avoid micro-marring from the paint/clear coat before the application of the coating to the vehicle. Impressive initial results.
One of your best vids you’ve ever made. So much correct and good info and we all can learn from this video. I have that exact LVR404 and it’s flat out an amazing-amazing product. I don’t know anyone who has used it and doesn’t love it. I know you have to as you have a broader audience but I would never apologize for how you do things and what works for you. You are obviously successful and likely have more experience than 99% of the people in the comments section anyways. But I know you have to protect that credibility with so many people watching. Keep doing you and all the best of luck.
I've done this a lot in the last few weeks on test panels. After I polished with Koch Chemie F6 and then finished down with 496 I left the panel alone to cool down. Then went back over it with 404. Let cure for 48 hours. I did the whole wipe down. Geyon prep as well. Coating was way easier. I have heard if a finishing polish has silica’s in it you definitely need a wipe down. But I guess it's a certain type of silica that's not in Trifecta. Either way I got it to work. Awesome video as usual.
Thanks for bringing up this discussion. Im pleased just knowing this weird phenomena does happen to others , even though its rarely disclosed or mentioned by anyone except you . I use a diy panel prep made of approx 29 oz distilled water & 4 oz of 90 % isopropyl in a quart spray bottle, but so many times iĺl see a hazy looking marks afterward no matter if i use my diy panel wipe or name brand. Im guessing this is very similar to what you described ? This happens to me when i'm preparing to apply a sio2 or graphine type coating . Of course it's after all my heavy compounding / polishing work is completed . If im using a regular wax it wont be a problem , but only the dedicated coatings. Its because of this im checking out videos like yours, while still searching for a other foolproof methods besides panel wipe products to remove the leftover oils from polishes prior to coating. Ive tried doing a quickie foaming with dawn & water -rinse it off- wipe dry or leaf blow dry instead of using ANY panel wipe product. This method has worked ok, but still takes so much time & effort - there must be a better way. Although i havent tried that certain primer polish combo you spoke of as of yet . I'm hopefull some "chemist Guru Spock dude" will come up with a true 1 step paint correction mixed with a super glossy , long lasting , hard , durable ceramic type protective coating to eliminate some of these steps and still giving super impressive results. Thanx again for your vids.
Yeah I have tried all sorts of techniques for prepping panels before coatings and found the NSP polishes to be the best! So easy to use and the resukts are undeniable! You have to try them!
Phil, Cord Snaps, I'm sure a conversation with Aaron wouldnt be a waste of time for International orders ? ( I want some, shame though, package from them arrived yesterday) Soft Black Paint, it was a soft as chocolate, it was killing me, I made a call & had BF AIO the next morning, used on a Rupes White pad as final polish & left for an hour to set only then zero microfibre tram lines in the black paint. The next time I run into that situation LVR 369 Trifecta will be the answer.. (a 3in1 Compound Polish & Sealant, but pad dependant as is 496 Finale.
love this full detail videos. its always frustrating to watch videos that skips the good parts that i need to learn as a beginner. Keep up the good work !!
That's great to know those products don't require an IPA wipe, that's another very and Xtreme solution that also allows you to use less products allowing you to save time and money so you can coat afterwards. Man, I got to order that!!!👌👍 I don't know if you noticed but the blue color on that velcro is basically the same on your logo. Unconciously, I think that's why you like it. Although is also a beautiful blue color in my opinion.😉
Thanks man. Well it’s still in testing. But that’s the way they designed it. So we will see. So far the hood is beading like it should after a few days rain. So that’s a good sign
I remember that some time ago I've had a brand new Seat Leon (kinda cheaper VW Golf here in EU) with black metallic paint, the client took delivery of it in December, so when the first snow came, he removed the snow from the car with a broom (the automotive type). Needles to say he scratched the hell out of that living thing. So he came to me to fix that problem. It turned out, that the scratches were so severe, I've had to compound it with Rupes Zephyr and Blue foam. The scratches were 100% gone but the haze...needles to say I could not finish it with anything that Rupes or Menzerna had in stock at that time. Desperate time calls for desperate measures - White Rupes pad, and a quick detail spray from one of our local companies - car came out beautiful. When the time came to apply ceramic coating (Gyeon Prime) I soaked (or applied heavy, like Mike Philips says) the panel with Gyeon Prep, and used my plushiest MF towel (it was crazy like, 900 GSM 40cmx40cm) and wiped gently - guess what ? I was back to square one. So, you know what I did ? I did not use any type of panel wipe whatsoever. I basically laid the coating on top of that QD which I used for my finishing step. The coating lasted little more over the time it promised, and that was 12 months if I remember correctly. Later down the line I've had similar problem with Golf VII painted in Urano Grau, so I've done it the same way - finish with QD then apply ceramic, but I don't know how it ended, since that client stopped coming back for maintenence washes.
SEE! I love stuff like this....this helps us to break the mold of what people think they know. An ipa panel wipe is NOT always needed. I know it may differ for different people and situations but VERY interesting results! Thanks so much for sharing!
@@MirandaDetailing In 2021 I plan to apply ceramic coating (Gyeon Synchro) to freshly powder coated suspension parts and BBS rims, but what remains I plan to test on the paint of the car. On one side of the car I plan to apply the coating with panel wipe (Gyeon Prep) on the other side I won't use any paint prep. Both sides will be polished with White Rupes DA Pad (the new one) and Rupes Uno Pure (that thing smells like hand lotion) to get rid of anything that might be there. We will see the results. I do not wan't to experiment on my customers` cars, so I will have to do it on my own. There is also other test that I am running currently - about "dedicated wheel coatings". Left side wheels on my car are coated with Gtechniq Crystal Serum Light, and the right side wheels are coated with Gtechniq C5 - I applied the coatings in April and the last wash before winter storage was in November. So far - absolutely no diffrence. I wash my wheels with whatever there is in the foam canon in the self-service car wash, and once a month I give them a thorough clean using iron remover.
Not going to lie in my experience when I had first started coatings I used Gtechniq Panel wipe and marring was being left behind. Also found out at that point I was using a compound or polish with fillers. I switched to pure ISP no marring but left behind residue. Switched to Dr.Beasleys Z1, and I wanted to scream with how difficult it was to wipe off and the stupid residue that it left behind you had to wipe off with lots of water. FINALLY, I switched to Megiuars Surface prep and have 0 issues. Not sure if this is the products or better procedures over time (less dusting, cleaner shop, better lighting, ect.)
Thats awesome to hear man. See that really helps others out when you experience it first hand and let others no now what’s going on. Until they experience it for themselves it’s sometimes difficult to explain. But you get it becasue you have tries it for yourself and know exactly what we mean. I have a video that I sorta rant on that, but it’s good for others to hear it and learn. I’m going to try that Megs surface prep also. I’m glad it works for you
In another video you already told about Essence and the 24h wait and then without panel wipe putting on CQuartz lite and reload. Believing and following the master I did it like you said and my black Mercedes CLA Coupé looks absolutely gorgeous. Keep those tips coming Phil!
@@MirandaDetailing Early October. What a difference when doing a maintenance wash. Pity that Mercedes only puts 4 Mils of paint on a brand new car. Costcutting?
Honestly the turtle wax soap is amazing for this starting out as it’s so versatile. If you look online people dilute it in spray bottles to remove brake dust, bugs, and traffic film. Or you can use it to just be a bucket soap with as much power as you need
Exactly, I think usually a lot of people that are starting out are just so stressed that they need to start out with 50 different products, but in reality when you start out it’s best to just use what you can to minimize expenses to increase profit
I have a lot of this. When i got my pwr washer & snow foam i used it @ 100% solution. It was pretty amazing. Will use @ 50% next time but the results were awesome.
I have a brand new CX9 in the dark Metallic gray due in 2 months and I have brought Carpro eraser, Cquartz 3 and Gliss to clean and ceramic coat it (home DIY). You mentioned how the IPA swells and can marr the coating when wiping it down with a microfibre - will I still have this with Carpro Eraser when cleaning it?
Hi. Congrats on the new CX9! Do a test spot with the Eraser and see if it causes any marring. Thanks f not then you should be good in using it. If it does mar up after the Eraser, then use Carpro Essence to finish polish and wait 24h to let it cure then you coat over it with no panel wipe. If it accumulates dust after the 24h just use a blower to dust it off.
@@MirandaDetailing Thanks, its my first car worth something so I've been burning though a bunch of your videos learning (- Currently watching carpro reload topper) . I don't have a polisher so probably wont go down that route with carpro essence - i'm expecting to coat it asap so it retains an protects the new paint.
What if I’m not polishing, can I wash, decon, clay if need be and straight to Cancoat without panel wipe down? My vehicle only has a sealant or wax never coatings?
Next time i order pads, i will give LC orange pads a shot for sure, currently on yellow rupes and perfect finish binge but i do enjoy trying new things. My norm is a wax or bead maker. Enjoyed this video keep testing for us so we dont have to spend all the money lol.
@@MirandaDetailing i usually wait 12 hours before i apply the coating. So in reality I polish on one day and wait at least over night until i coat the car.
Very interesting vid phil.i,ve heard the term used( after polishing/ correction ) the paint explodes or expands because of heat.and a ipa exasperates the issue.i guess the other option is to wait and let the paint cool or spray it down with di water.
@@MirandaDetailing agreed,it can be as easy or hard as you want.its all about yours or a clients expectations.i,m in that mid to lower high skill area,one thing i found out is set your bar kinda low as a beginner then you wont be upset with results,you can always watch miranda dtl and get educated,...i did.
Great informative video Phil. What are your thoughts on using Finale as a cleaner polisher, something just to exfoliate the paint before putting a sealant on? B-pillars came out fantastic, Guardian did appear to bump up the gloss, looking forward to hearing more about it.
Hey phill I am looking into a polisher i just do my car I was looking at the milwaki 15 mm you think it's worth it or should I go with spta I want some thing cordless ?
Hi. I haven’t tried the Milwaki but we love the SPTA cordless polishers. We have been using them for 2 years. When students come here to learn polishing I always start with that one and they quickly learn on it.
I just applied the coating with no wait time after I polished it with the Finale Polish. I e heard of other guys doing the same thing and it didn’t effect the coating at all.
Ive tested not doing prep wipe after standard polish vs doing it and the results weren’t much different to be honest. I only really do the wipe to see if i missed anything, but now I’m typically finishing with cp-essence.
@@MirandaDetailing weirdly enough, no. The coating i was using was rated at 3 years and in my conditions on Long Island, with the yearly winter trip to Vermont, I was seeing 1.5 years - 2 years. Granted it wasn’t the strongest or hardest coating, i think it was about a 7H, entry level coating but the longevity and performance wasn’t really affected in either case. Now that I’m certified for IGL Kenzo and an installer for Jade Quartz Pro I use a prep wipe (if not using a primer) just because its habit now but overall not a crazy difference. M205 specifically was one of the polishes used at the time it was a couple years ago now but still
See that's really interesting...I sometimes wonder if the IPA or Panel wipe may be a little overkill. Even Brian from Apex says that 10% solution is enough to remove any little traces of oils. Thanks for that confirmation.
Great tips with the IPA! Carpro said essence has fillers , wouldn’t not using a prep hinder the contact with the paint and ceramic? What do you think brother ?
Hi. Thanks! So with Essence we have used it and then waited 24h and applied Cquartz UK and the vehicle is still looking and preforming incredibly well after 3 years! But those primer polishes are designed to use with ceramic coatings, in fact they increase the bonding of the coating to the paint. The DR Beasleys NSP primer polishes are even better since they can have the coating applied right away.
@@MirandaDetailing yeah I left it overnight and the next morning the car was covered in dust 😂 yeah I’m about to grab some Beaselys this week! I’m binge watching your videos and it looks like good stuff!
Informative video! I am on the fence on using a primer polish. Probably will do a test like you just did on my daily driver. I just watched a video from Yvan Lacriox about the prep wipe. He suggested using a Acetone mix with Windex. He stated IPA and other solvents soften and swell the clear like you stated. While it would be perfect to have a polish that doesn’t need a wipe down, what are your thoughts on the Acetone solution??
Thanks. YES. I just watched that too. I’m going to try that solution also and see what happens. But still I’d rather not use any panel wipes if I can help it. Yvan says it still swells TW paint a little and can halt it if left on for to long or at the wrong ratios. 🤷🏻♂️
I’m not sure on that one. I don’t believe it will becasue it’s not a super high alkaline cleaner. It’s a 10 on the PH. But when diluted it’s goes down even more.
thoughts on Optimum paint prep? great video, ill be getting some finale before i install adams graphene coating. im intimidated but i feel more confident now, new sub here!
I've gone through a couple gallons of the Optimum Paint Prep I found super cheap, $19 a gallon!! No complaints at all, feels very similar to Eraser. Not too aggressive, easy to use, wipe off is quick and easy. Nothing to be intimidated of bud, you got this. Just take your time, have plenty of towels on hand, use good lighting, and have a good handheld light close by to check your work from various angles as you go panel by panel. You'll be just fine. It's actually a lot of fun! It's all in the prep. 👍👌✌
I have the turtlewax soap. Its not a very good soap IME, its a little grabby i found. I will have to try it again since i have so much left. But i have 6 or 7 different soaps! Some people horde waxes? Me? soaps. lol I've found panel preps are annoying too. I've slowly started using less and less, i like the spray directly into the towel idea.
😆 we all have our addictions. Really? Weird. I wonder if different water will play a role in how soaps and cleaners react. I need to do some research on that.
@@MirandaDetailing i have very soft water. Maybe it was just confirmation bias..being that the turtlewax was so cheap and retail, so my mind might have already been made up it wouldn't be so good has carpro reset. I will be trying it again. Maybe next full detail, i will use the aggressive dilution rate. But i even have carpro lift now...so who knows what i will use. :D Xtreme suds is fine soap though. Been using for my pre-foam.
Yeah I’m really pushing this for ourselves. I want to cut that panel wipe part out if it’s not truly needed or if we can find a way around it. it will reduce risk and speed our process up even more so.
nice vid, love your work and vids. oh....check out NSP Z1 by Dr. Beasley.....no polishing oils / no more ipa/panel wipe crap...i am on the same mentally as you with ipa? I used NSP Z1 now on about 21 vehicles - 18 of them with a ceramic coating right on top. i use either C.P UK or Avalon King....they are two winners I am sticking with for now....good luck...
Hi. Thanks. Yeah I have the that and it’s good but I had some issues with a clean wipe off. But I think it depends on the paint also. Did you have any problems with wiping off the plane residue or having the residue start to reappear after a few minutes?
I want one of those detailers cord snaps. It sucks that covid has caused the Canadian and US border to close. I live a minute away, I'll meet you there Phil, you could probably throw them over 🤣🤣
I'm gonna test this out for myself as well. I did a 3 stage on a Black 2018 CLA that had a respray at some point. The clear was super soft and it was the most frustrating thing see micro marrring after doing an ipa wipe. I finally got it dialed in before ceramic coating but the experience was not fun. Good video Phil!
Oh I didnt mention I have never polished or compounded before I got the kotch fine and micro cut and thare pads I just caint decide on polisher prob gonna use fine cut and micro wax and then just use polisher to wax
Yeah We have tried those and they are ok, it can be a paint to remove on some paints. We need something a little more easy to use. But you're right it does work.
Great topic - thanks. Just btw, my black pillars don't appear to have any clear - is that normal? I did a bit of hand polishing using Optimum Intensive Polish and a MF cloth (just as a quick experiment), and it turned my cloth black.
I think I understand what you mean but that’s not the case the. It’s not the pane wipe that is hard to wipe off. A panel wipe strips the paint and can soften the paint and make it susceptible to marring from the towel. When applying a coating it leaves behind the ceramic particles leaving a smooth slick surface. Two completely different things.
the detergent is to be diluted by the water from the high pressure washer and so it has to be highly concentrated and by controlling the knob above the foam container to adjust the thickness. envy you have your own garage big enough that you can play with all the toys.
True, that's one way to do it depending on the type of soap. This is how I dilute my other shampoos. ruclips.net/video/1WcFYPJZXEM/видео.html This one foams better in my gas powered PW because of its higher output and GPM. But still this soap works great for us. Thanks!
FWIW, Scott H did a big side by side longevity test a few years ago, and found that CarPro Essence (by itself) lost hydrophobicity very quickly. I know that's different to testing it with a coating on top though. Here's the video where he shows it "failing" on the very first wash, which occurred after 30 days: ruclips.net/video/JBba1qoPZeQ/видео.html
interesting...Jason From Chicago is also doing a test on his own vehicle driven daily. Carpro Reload on his roof pretty much failed at 2 weeks while Reload on Scotts panel is performing better after 30 days than the 2 weeks on a daily driven. So many variables are in play here, so sometimes durability tests can be different. What water is used, what dilution ratios, what the temps of the panel when applied, or temps and weather where the vehicle or panel is. So many things, Yes it does give us an idea but sometimes inconclusive. Despite all of the durability tests, I believe in maintenance....we use some sort of topper or spray wax/sealant after each wash. Its simply good practice.
@@MirandaDetailing Agreed/understood. (and yes - I am watching that Chicago Auto Pros test too - I hadn't picked up on that Reload discrepancy - interesting, and thankyou!)
Interesting videos, but let me ask what about prep polish that many company have like McKee’ Prep Polish, Carpro essence, when using carpro leaves sio2 foundation, but other prep polish just cleans and paint is ready do you still need to wipe down after using this prep polishes ( especially those that leaves no foundation layer) ??
Thanks. So the idea behind the polish I used here is you don’t need to do a panel wipe at all. With other prep polishes I believe they each have their own cure time, but Essence and Gyeon Primer can either be left for 24h to cure completely then apply your coating without the panel wipe, or wait about 4 hours then do a very light pane wipe and coat. But I really want a prep polish that can be wiped and a coating applied right away with no wait time and no panel wipe at all. That would be a HUGE game changer right?
@@MirandaDetailing yes that would good be good less touching after all the paint refinement and getting the gloss finish, so I’m assuming prep polishes like McKees or DP prep polishes are geared to waxes and sealants, and maybe not so much for coatings ??? I’ll have to look what the labels say, I was just wondering if this products could be used since they leave nothing behind if they would be a good paint primer for a coating
@@MirandaDetailing Unfortunately they both dust if used for more than a couple of passes so not really a finishing polish due to rubbish it leaves behind but as a primer with two light passes, that works as a primer. (hope that is marginally clearer than mud)
You judge the quality of a shampoo by it’s foaming ability? 🤣🤣🤣. Carpro rest for mobile Detailers is not economical. It’s a great shampoo but also keep price in mind if your a mobile Detailer.
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Any one from the UK ? Xtreme are happy to ship to the UK, my recent order only took 4 days to arrive. The only down side is import duty but & thats a BIG BUT, its easily worth it for Xtreme Polishes & Glazes, their sealant, Poly-Seal & Topper are also both 'must haves' in your arsenal.
Great tips. I did a car that sat in a garage for three years and used most of your technics, specially the clay towel. It work great. Specially when I had limited time for the complete detail. 👍👍😎
Hi Phil, I use Tac Systems Total One Essential. 2 hrs between applying and adding a coating. If you use Quartz Max, then you have no waiting around time. Love this stuff.
Really? Very interesting! So those two are basically primers?
Did my GT350 with TACsystem.
Total One Essential
Moonlight
QuartzMax
Shinee Wax to go blind from the gloss.
Hindsight, I would use One Step Master instead of Moonlight. It’s much quicker and easier to apply.
Phil, Total One Essential is a primer, but doesn’t contain fillers like CarPro Essence. I would take Essence over Total One Essential. Especially if not aiming for perfection. It’ll fill in the minor scratches, as you already know from experience. 🌟
Nice!! I’ve never used TAC systems before. But I do love Essence! I need to try Essence Plus.
Always a good day when I can wake up to a Miranda detailing video. Thank you Phil good work!
Thank you so much!!
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Oh no! What did I say? My dumb dyslexia brain. 🤦🏻♂️
@@MirandaDetailing It's all good, brother, no big deal, you just forgot the T in 'coatings'.
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️. Typical. I’ll fix that. Thanks man.
Thanks for this explanation Mr. Miranda. I was experiencing some horrible issues with my Black paint. I would use Chemical Guys Wipe-Out after polishing then I would notice the rich black color would fade. Sometimes leave very light scratches while using the Rag Company's softest towels. This was making me crazy. So I would polish again, get the paint perfect. To prevent me from melting-down, I would take a break then I decided to apply CarPro CQuartz 3.0 WITHOUT a panel wipe. I was scared that there would be a chemical reaction...but no. I applied 2 coats then waited 24 hours and applied a coat of GLISS. There I noticed white-colored "dust" would occur when wiping off GLISS. So far no issues. Thanks for your input. I feel better after watching your video
I hate perfecting the paint, then seeing stuff on paint from wiping. No matter what towels I use it happens sometimes
I hate claying...being older 61.5 ,its no fun.wrist braces when the da comes out.😲
Thanks..I don't use isopropyl for awhile now...ceramic coating applied to a sio2 polish after curing...with great results...the perfect prep for coating..mix 1 third acetone and 2 third Windex
Awesome!
Awesome explanation of your techniques and experience with the different products before applying a coating and skipping the IPA/Panel wipe step to avoid micro-marring from the paint/clear coat before the application of the coating to the vehicle. Impressive initial results.
One of your best vids you’ve ever made.
So much correct and good info and we all can learn from this video. I have that exact LVR404 and it’s flat out an amazing-amazing product. I don’t know anyone who has used it and doesn’t love it.
I know you have to as you have a broader audience but I would never apologize for how you do things and what works for you. You are obviously successful and likely have more experience than 99% of the people in the comments section anyways. But I know you have to protect that credibility with so many people watching.
Keep doing you and all the best of luck.
Thanks you so much!! We really appreciate that!
I've done this a lot in the last few weeks on test panels. After I polished with Koch Chemie F6 and then finished down with 496 I left the panel alone to cool down. Then went back over it with 404. Let cure for 48 hours. I did the whole wipe down. Geyon prep as well. Coating was way easier. I have heard if a finishing polish has silica’s in it you definitely need a wipe down. But I guess it's a certain type of silica that's not in Trifecta. Either way I got it to work. Awesome video as usual.
Awesome!
Thanks for bringing up this discussion. Im pleased just knowing this weird phenomena does happen to others , even though its rarely disclosed or mentioned by anyone except you . I use a diy panel prep made of approx 29 oz distilled water & 4 oz of 90 % isopropyl in a quart spray bottle, but so many times iĺl see a hazy looking marks afterward no matter if i use my diy panel wipe or name brand. Im guessing this is very similar to what you described ?
This happens to me when i'm preparing to apply a sio2 or graphine type coating . Of course it's after all my heavy compounding / polishing work is completed . If im using a regular wax it wont be a problem , but only the dedicated coatings.
Its because of this im checking out videos like yours, while still searching for a other foolproof methods besides panel wipe products to remove the leftover oils from polishes prior to coating.
Ive tried doing a quickie foaming with dawn & water -rinse it off- wipe dry or leaf blow dry instead of using ANY panel wipe product. This method has worked ok, but still takes so much time & effort - there must be a better way. Although i havent tried that certain primer polish combo you spoke of as of yet .
I'm hopefull some "chemist Guru Spock dude" will come up with a true 1 step paint correction mixed with a super glossy , long lasting , hard , durable ceramic type protective coating to eliminate some of these steps and still giving super impressive results. Thanx again for your vids.
Yeah I have tried all sorts of techniques for prepping panels before coatings and found the NSP polishes to be the best! So easy to use and the resukts are undeniable! You have to try them!
Always you are right on point, helping us all take care of our vehicles ....
Thanks!
Will be trying out rupes uno aio soon this week on my wife’s suv mdx ‘14. I have come to love soft honda/acura paint
Awesome!! It’s good stuff!
Great video Phil, definitely like the turtle wax max power it’s cheap and effective. The xtreme solutions line is very good stuff as well.
Phil, Cord Snaps, I'm sure a conversation with Aaron wouldnt be a waste of time for International orders ? ( I want some, shame though, package from them arrived yesterday)
Soft Black Paint, it was a soft as chocolate, it was killing me, I made a call & had BF AIO the next morning, used on a Rupes White pad as final polish & left for an hour to set only then zero microfibre tram lines in the black paint. The next time I run into that situation LVR 369 Trifecta will be the answer.. (a 3in1 Compound Polish & Sealant, but pad dependant as is 496 Finale.
love this full detail videos. its always frustrating to watch videos that skips the good parts that i need to learn as a beginner. Keep up the good work !!
Thanks! You will love the rest of our videos!
That's great to know those products don't require an IPA wipe, that's another very and Xtreme solution that also allows you to use less products allowing you to save time and money so you can coat afterwards. Man, I got to order that!!!👌👍
I don't know if you noticed but the blue color on that velcro is basically the same on your logo. Unconciously, I think that's why you like it. Although is also a beautiful blue color in my opinion.😉
Thanks man. Well it’s still in testing. But that’s the way they designed it. So we will see. So far the hood is beading like it should after a few days rain. So that’s a good sign
That's why I like AIO's, no IPA wipe down needed. BTW, I need to thank you for showing me a better way to clay bar, very efficient. 👍
True! Awesome! Glad it helped!
@@MirandaDetailing Appreciate you Phil. 😊
I remember that some time ago I've had a brand new Seat Leon (kinda cheaper VW Golf here in EU) with black metallic paint, the client took delivery of it in December, so when the first snow came, he removed the snow from the car with a broom (the automotive type). Needles to say he scratched the hell out of that living thing.
So he came to me to fix that problem. It turned out, that the scratches were so severe, I've had to compound it with Rupes Zephyr and Blue foam. The scratches were 100% gone but the haze...needles to say I could not finish it with anything that Rupes or Menzerna had in stock at that time. Desperate time calls for desperate measures - White Rupes pad, and a quick detail spray from one of our local companies - car came out beautiful.
When the time came to apply ceramic coating (Gyeon Prime) I soaked (or applied heavy, like Mike Philips says) the panel with Gyeon Prep, and used my plushiest MF towel (it was crazy like, 900 GSM 40cmx40cm) and wiped gently - guess what ? I was back to square one.
So, you know what I did ? I did not use any type of panel wipe whatsoever. I basically laid the coating on top of that QD which I used for my finishing step. The coating lasted little more over the time it promised, and that was 12 months if I remember correctly.
Later down the line I've had similar problem with Golf VII painted in Urano Grau, so I've done it the same way - finish with QD then apply ceramic, but I don't know how it ended, since that client stopped coming back for maintenence washes.
SEE! I love stuff like this....this helps us to break the mold of what people think they know. An ipa panel wipe is NOT always needed. I know it may differ for different people and situations but VERY interesting results! Thanks so much for sharing!
@@MirandaDetailing In 2021 I plan to apply ceramic coating (Gyeon Synchro) to freshly powder coated suspension parts and BBS rims, but what remains I plan to test on the paint of the car. On one side of the car I plan to apply the coating with panel wipe (Gyeon Prep) on the other side I won't use any paint prep. Both sides will be polished with White Rupes DA Pad (the new one) and Rupes Uno Pure (that thing smells like hand lotion) to get rid of anything that might be there. We will see the results. I do not wan't to experiment on my customers` cars, so I will have to do it on my own.
There is also other test that I am running currently - about "dedicated wheel coatings". Left side wheels on my car are coated with Gtechniq Crystal Serum Light, and the right side wheels are coated with Gtechniq C5 - I applied the coatings in April and the last wash before winter storage was in November. So far - absolutely no diffrence. I wash my wheels with whatever there is in the foam canon in the self-service car wash, and once a month I give them a thorough clean using iron remover.
Not going to lie in my experience when I had first started coatings I used Gtechniq Panel wipe and marring was being left behind. Also found out at that point I was using a compound or polish with fillers. I switched to pure ISP no marring but left behind residue. Switched to Dr.Beasleys Z1, and I wanted to scream with how difficult it was to wipe off and the stupid residue that it left behind you had to wipe off with lots of water. FINALLY, I switched to Megiuars Surface prep and have 0 issues. Not sure if this is the products or better procedures over time (less dusting, cleaner shop, better lighting, ect.)
Thats awesome to hear man. See that really helps others out when you experience it first hand and let others no now what’s going on. Until they experience it for themselves it’s sometimes difficult to explain. But you get it becasue you have tries it for yourself and know exactly what we mean. I have a video that I sorta rant on that, but it’s good for others to hear it and learn. I’m going to try that Megs surface prep also. I’m glad it works for you
In another video you already told about Essence and the 24h wait and then without panel wipe putting on CQuartz lite and reload. Believing and following the master I did it like you said and my black Mercedes CLA Coupé looks absolutely gorgeous. Keep those tips coming Phil!
That’s awesome!! How long ago was it that you apply the coating?
@@MirandaDetailing Early October. What a difference when doing a maintenance wash. Pity that Mercedes only puts 4 Mils of paint on a brand new car. Costcutting?
Honestly the turtle wax soap is amazing for this starting out as it’s so versatile. If you look online people dilute it in spray bottles to remove brake dust, bugs, and traffic film. Or you can use it to just be a bucket soap with as much power as you need
That’s so cool!! I products like that
Exactly, I think usually a lot of people that are starting out are just so stressed that they need to start out with 50 different products, but in reality when you start out it’s best to just use what you can to minimize expenses to increase profit
Very true! I try to stress that also. Excellent advice.
I have a lot of this. When i got my pwr washer & snow foam i used it @ 100% solution. It was pretty amazing. Will use @ 50% next time but the results were awesome.
3rd from Puerto Rico 👍🇵🇷
I used that very same soap from Turtle Wax to wash vehicles now WaxPlanet Eight Below or Bilt Hamber Auto wash
Garcia wassup I guess I was first 😁, yea right seem like a decent soap at good price
The Purple Power Vehicle & Boat Wash is fantastic as well, and available at Walmart.
@@abelcelestinjr8810 I think so too 👍🥇🏆 winner winner chicken dinner 😉👌👍🥇🏆
@@1stfrompuertorico568 Garcia stand up detailer I’m sure you’ll be first in the next vid !!!?😄👍🏽✌🏽
Hi Phil. Congratulations for the 22K🙂
I love xtreme solutions and luckily they are 5 mins from me. I've had huge success with using finale n Helios prior to coatings!
Awesome!!
I have a brand new CX9 in the dark Metallic gray due in 2 months and I have brought Carpro eraser, Cquartz 3 and Gliss to clean and ceramic coat it (home DIY). You mentioned how the IPA swells and can marr the coating when wiping it down with a microfibre - will I still have this with Carpro Eraser when cleaning it?
Hi. Congrats on the new CX9! Do a test spot with the Eraser and see if it causes any marring. Thanks f not then you should be good in using it. If it does mar up after the Eraser, then use Carpro Essence to finish polish and wait 24h to let it cure then you coat over it with no panel wipe. If it accumulates dust after the 24h just use a blower to dust it off.
@@MirandaDetailing Thanks, its my first car worth something so I've been burning though a bunch of your videos learning (- Currently watching carpro reload topper) . I don't have a polisher so probably wont go down that route with carpro essence - i'm expecting to coat it asap so it retains an protects the new paint.
Nice! You can also hand apply Essence...but if you’re not concerned about polishing the paint or reducing swirls you should be fine.
What if I’m not polishing, can I wash, decon, clay if need be and straight to Cancoat without panel wipe down? My vehicle only has a sealant or wax never coatings?
Yeah with Cancoat you could do that, you may not get the best results. At least a quick polish will prep the paint better for the cancoat to bond.
Great video Phil, awesome job explaining things
Next time i order pads, i will give LC orange pads a shot for sure, currently on yellow rupes and perfect finish binge but i do enjoy trying new things. My norm is a wax or bead maker. Enjoyed this video keep testing for us so we dont have to spend all the money lol.
to solve that issue, I use Gyeon Primer as a finish Polish, with a medium-soft Pad before I apply a coating.
Yup I have also. But do you apply the costing right away or wait 24h?
@@MirandaDetailing i usually wait 12 hours before i apply the coating. So in reality I polish on one day and wait at least over night until i coat the car.
Oh ok. Yeah I do that also. I just want to apply a coating right away without waiting. Some times we don’t have time to wait.
Very interesting vid phil.i,ve heard the term used( after polishing/ correction ) the paint explodes or expands because of heat.and a ipa exasperates the issue.i guess the other option is to wait and let the paint cool or spray it down with di water.
Thanks. Yeah there a lot that goes into paint corrections and coatings right?
@@MirandaDetailing agreed,it can be as easy or hard as you want.its all about yours or a clients expectations.i,m in that mid to lower high skill area,one thing i found out is set your bar kinda low as a beginner then you wont be upset with results,you can always watch miranda dtl and get educated,...i did.
I use a copolymer remover i.e. wax remover from Autoglym in my foamer to wash after polishing before a panelwipe and before coating.
I like how you made a box and then filled in the box crosshatch pattern!
Thanks!
Great informative video Phil. What are your thoughts on using Finale as a cleaner polisher, something just to exfoliate the paint before putting a sealant on? B-pillars came out fantastic, Guardian did appear to bump up the gloss, looking forward to hearing more about it.
Thanks oh yeah man! Finale is pretty awesome stuff! Use it as a final or cleaner polish before any wax and sealant!
Hey phill I am looking into a polisher i just do my car I was looking at the milwaki 15 mm you think it's worth it or should I go with spta I want some thing cordless ?
Hi. I haven’t tried the Milwaki but we love the SPTA cordless polishers. We have been using them for 2 years. When students come here to learn polishing I always start with that one and they quickly learn on it.
So did it work without panel wipe?
So far it’s still beading water like the other side. I’ll be doing some weekend washes and see how long it lasts.
@@MirandaDetailing so after the polish did u just applied it or there’s a waiting time to do ceramic coating?
I just applied the coating with no wait time after I polished it with the Finale Polish. I e heard of other guys doing the same thing and it didn’t effect the coating at all.
@@MirandaDetailing ok because I have the same polish u are using and that’ll be nice to not have to do a panel prep , it saves lots of time.
Well so far it’s holding up. I really want to see if it goes past 1 year. If it does I’ll be convinced that it works perfectly.
Interesting Phil , thank you
Ive tested not doing prep wipe after standard polish vs doing it and the results weren’t much different to be honest. I only really do the wipe to see if i missed anything, but now I’m typically finishing with cp-essence.
Interesting....so you haven’t seen any durability issues after coating application with no Pane wipe?
@@MirandaDetailing weirdly enough, no. The coating i was using was rated at 3 years and in my conditions on Long Island, with the yearly winter trip to Vermont, I was seeing 1.5 years - 2 years. Granted it wasn’t the strongest or hardest coating, i think it was about a 7H, entry level coating but the longevity and performance wasn’t really affected in either case.
Now that I’m certified for IGL Kenzo and an installer for Jade Quartz Pro I use a prep wipe (if not using a primer) just because its habit now but overall not a crazy difference. M205 specifically was one of the polishes used at the time it was a couple years ago now but still
See that's really interesting...I sometimes wonder if the IPA or Panel wipe may be a little overkill. Even Brian from Apex says that 10% solution is enough to remove any little traces of oils. Thanks for that confirmation.
@@MirandaDetailing test it out! :)
Totally man!
Great tips with the IPA! Carpro said essence has fillers , wouldn’t not using a prep hinder the contact with the paint and ceramic? What do you think brother ?
Hi. Thanks! So with Essence we have used it and then waited 24h and applied Cquartz UK and the vehicle is still looking and preforming incredibly well after 3 years!
But those primer polishes are designed to use with ceramic coatings, in fact they increase the bonding of the coating to the paint. The DR Beasleys NSP primer polishes are even better since they can have the coating applied right away.
@@MirandaDetailing yeah I left it overnight and the next morning the car was covered in dust 😂 yeah I’m about to grab some Beaselys this week! I’m binge watching your videos and it looks like good stuff!
GREAT video. Don’t know how I missed this one. Any follow ups coming up soon?? Thanks!
Hi. This was one update I did ruclips.net/video/8_0jpCZUQwE/видео.html
More to follow soon
Informative video! I am on the fence on using a primer polish. Probably will do a test like you just did on my daily driver. I just watched a video from Yvan Lacriox about the prep wipe. He suggested using a Acetone mix with Windex. He stated IPA and other solvents soften and swell the clear like you stated. While it would be perfect to have a polish that doesn’t need a wipe down, what are your thoughts on the Acetone solution??
Thanks. YES. I just watched that too. I’m going to try that solution also and see what happens. But still I’d rather not use any panel wipes if I can help it. Yvan says it still swells TW paint a little and can halt it if left on for to long or at the wrong ratios. 🤷🏻♂️
Good morning Phil is it safe to use on ceramic coatings?
Hi. Which product do you mean?
@@MirandaDetailing the soap turtle wash power strength
Ohh. Yeah it’s fine to use on pretty much anything.
Yes
@@MirandaDetailing thanks Phil I'll give it a try dude you guys have a great weekend
Does the Turlte Wax Max Power kill spray on waxes and Sealants?
I’m not sure on that one. I don’t believe it will becasue it’s not a super high alkaline cleaner. It’s a 10 on the PH. But when diluted it’s goes down even more.
thoughts on Optimum paint prep? great video, ill be getting some finale before i install adams graphene coating. im intimidated but i feel more confident now, new sub here!
Hi and welcome! I haven’t used the Opt Paint Prep yet. I also wanted to try Megs version.
I've gone through a couple gallons of the Optimum Paint Prep I found super cheap, $19 a gallon!! No complaints at all, feels very similar to Eraser. Not too aggressive, easy to use, wipe off is quick and easy.
Nothing to be intimidated of bud, you got this. Just take your time, have plenty of towels on hand, use good lighting, and have a good handheld light close by to check your work from various angles as you go panel by panel. You'll be just fine. It's actually a lot of fun! It's all in the prep. 👍👌✌
@@jdisdetermined thank you my friend!
I have the turtlewax soap. Its not a very good soap IME, its a little grabby i found. I will have to try it again since i have so much left. But i have 6 or 7 different soaps! Some people horde waxes? Me? soaps. lol I've found panel preps are annoying too. I've slowly started using less and less, i like the spray directly into the towel idea.
😆 we all have our addictions. Really? Weird. I wonder if different water will play a role in how soaps and cleaners react. I need to do some research on that.
@@MirandaDetailing i have very soft water. Maybe it was just confirmation bias..being that the turtlewax was so cheap and retail, so my mind might have already been made up it wouldn't be so good has carpro reset. I will be trying it again. Maybe next full detail, i will use the aggressive dilution rate. But i even have carpro lift now...so who knows what i will use. :D Xtreme suds is fine soap though. Been using for my pre-foam.
I been hearing good things with Dr Beasley in that aspect
Yeah I have their NSP45 but it can be a paint o wipe off on some paints. Still working with it to see the right procedure.
Every Beasleys product I’ve tried has been terrible.
Really Mark? I mean every product line has something that is just meh. But Dr B leather, and plastic creams and protectants are awesome.
Xtreme solutions my favorite polishes so far.
I would like to ditch this part of the job too.. I am starting to use more water based polishes...thanks for the video.
Yeah I’m really pushing this for ourselves. I want to cut that panel wipe part out if it’s not truly needed or if we can find a way around it. it will reduce risk and speed our process up even more so.
@@MirandaDetailing I used to use old school wax and grease remover to clean paint for final but I guess it's not acceptable anymore...petrol product..
nice vid, love your work and vids. oh....check out NSP Z1 by Dr. Beasley.....no polishing oils / no more ipa/panel wipe crap...i am on the same mentally as you with ipa? I used NSP Z1 now on about 21 vehicles - 18 of them with a ceramic coating right on top. i use either C.P UK or Avalon King....they are two winners I am sticking with for now....good luck...
Hi. Thanks. Yeah I have the that and it’s good but I had some issues with a clean wipe off. But I think it depends on the paint also. Did you have any problems with wiping off the plane residue or having the residue start to reappear after a few minutes?
I want one of those detailers cord snaps. It sucks that covid has caused the Canadian and US border to close. I live a minute away, I'll meet you there Phil, you could probably throw them over 🤣🤣
Aw man! That sucks! I wish I could ship them world wide.
I'm gonna test this out for myself as well. I did a 3 stage on a Black 2018 CLA that had a respray at some point. The clear was super soft and it was the most frustrating thing see micro marrring after doing an ipa wipe. I finally got it dialed in before ceramic coating but the experience was not fun. Good video Phil!
Awesome. Let me know how it goes!
Oh I didnt mention I have never polished or compounded before I got the kotch fine and micro cut and thare pads I just caint decide on polisher prob gonna use fine cut and micro wax and then just use polisher to wax
Definitely give the SPTA a try. Just copy what you see other detailers doing when polishing and you will learn. That’s what we did. 😎👍🏼
You could try DR. Beasly NSP they already have the stuff your talking about polish and apply coating no IPA.
Yeah We have tried those and they are ok, it can be a paint to remove on some paints. We need something a little more easy to use. But you're right it does work.
Great topic - thanks. Just btw, my black pillars don't appear to have any clear - is that normal? I did a bit of hand polishing using Optimum Intensive Polish and a MF cloth (just as a quick experiment), and it turned my cloth black.
Thanks. Mmmm if your towels or pads are turning black from then pillars they could be single stage paint. Or it burnt through somewhere.
Why didn’t you show us the hood under the LED light after you finished it?? 🤔
You couldn’t see it in the ceiling lights?
awesome video and product review Phil. extreme solutions make awrsome awesome products.Aaron great dude.b well buddy
but if you cant wipe off panelwipe then you cant wipe off coating too right ??
I think I understand what you mean but that’s not the case the. It’s not the pane wipe that is hard to wipe off. A panel wipe strips the paint and can soften the paint and make it susceptible to marring from the towel. When applying a coating it leaves behind the ceramic particles leaving a smooth slick surface. Two completely different things.
Ok
Terrific teaching today and I a really impressed with the no IPA wipe methodology. Black piano 🎹 finished off very well.
Great video Phil, maybe you could consider giving away two or three sets of your cord clips, I know I would like to have some 👍😁
Hi thanks man. Yeah I need to do that again I have a bunch away when we first started making them. I’ll do that again
the detergent is to be diluted by the water from the high pressure washer and so it has to be highly concentrated and by controlling the knob above the foam container to adjust the thickness.
envy you have your own garage big enough that you can play with all the toys.
True, that's one way to do it depending on the type of soap. This is how I dilute my other shampoos. ruclips.net/video/1WcFYPJZXEM/видео.html
This one foams better in my gas powered PW because of its higher output and GPM. But still this soap works great for us.
Thanks!
Can we coat a brand new car without polishing etc. just wash, dry and apply the coating. Many thanks in advance.
Hi. Yeah you can do that. But if the paint has some minor swirls or marring it just won’t look as good. But you totally could.
@@MirandaDetailing Thanks!
Looks like you need the 1.1mm orifice for your snow cannon possibly
Hi. It is. I replaced it while ago. I just needed to add more soap
Have you tried meguiars ultra polishing wax? I find it to be a great paint enhancement product, no dusting with slightly damp ccs light cut pad
Yeah we have! It’s good stuff!
And I am sure if you compare the price per whatever L OZ, that the Xtreme Solutions is cheaper than perfect finish.
FWIW, Scott H did a big side by side longevity test a few years ago, and found that CarPro Essence (by itself) lost hydrophobicity very quickly. I know that's different to testing it with a coating on top though. Here's the video where he shows it "failing" on the very first wash, which occurred after 30 days: ruclips.net/video/JBba1qoPZeQ/видео.html
interesting...Jason From Chicago is also doing a test on his own vehicle driven daily. Carpro Reload on his roof pretty much failed at 2 weeks while Reload on Scotts panel is performing better after 30 days than the 2 weeks on a daily driven. So many variables are in play here, so sometimes durability tests can be different. What water is used, what dilution ratios, what the temps of the panel when applied, or temps and weather where the vehicle or panel is. So many things, Yes it does give us an idea but sometimes inconclusive. Despite all of the durability tests, I believe in maintenance....we use some sort of topper or spray wax/sealant after each wash. Its simply good practice.
@@MirandaDetailing Agreed/understood. (and yes - I am watching that Chicago Auto Pros test too - I hadn't picked up on that Reload discrepancy - interesting, and thankyou!)
Cool! These guys do some great test!
So you can use a MF pad to apply coatings instead a a micro suede cloth and block?
Totally. I don’t like the microsuede cloths. They dont glide like the microfiber ones do
@@MirandaDetailing thanks for the quick reply.
What’s your favourite compound / polish for soft clears to date?! I see you have primer in the background
Well we love Sonax perfect finish. But we still use Megs m210 a lot. It’s very under rated.
@@MirandaDetailing thanks man and how about a compound?
We love Megs d300 and M110. But now this TW Pro one and done may be it’s next contender!
@@MirandaDetailing cool I’m using m100 but I find it so aggressive for soft clears. Last question how about an AIO
3D Speed, Xtreme Solutions Trifecta, or Maxshine AIO. All amazing.
Carpro esscence does this, no ipa after polishing
True but it needs 12-24h to cure before you apply right over it. At least that’s what is recommended. Maybe the rules can be broken on that too? 😎👍🏼
Interesting videos, but let me ask what about prep polish that many company have like McKee’ Prep Polish, Carpro essence, when using carpro leaves sio2 foundation, but other prep polish just cleans and paint is ready do you still need to wipe down after using this prep polishes ( especially those that leaves no foundation layer) ??
Thanks. So the idea behind the polish I used here is you don’t need to do a panel wipe at all. With other prep polishes I believe they each have their own cure time, but Essence and Gyeon Primer can either be left for 24h to cure completely then apply your coating without the panel wipe, or wait about 4 hours then do a very light pane wipe and coat. But I really want a prep polish that can be wiped and a coating applied right away with no wait time and no panel wipe at all. That would be a HUGE game changer right?
@@MirandaDetailing yes that would good be good less touching after all the paint refinement and getting the gloss finish, so I’m assuming prep polishes like McKees or DP prep polishes are geared to waxes and sealants, and maybe not so much for coatings ??? I’ll have to look what the labels say, I was just wondering if this products could be used since they leave nothing behind if they would be a good paint primer for a coating
@@MirandaDetailing Unfortunately they both dust if used for more than a couple of passes so not really a finishing polish due to rubbish it leaves behind but as a primer with two light passes, that works as a primer. (hope that is marginally clearer than mud)
I think the McKees is supposed to be for coatings also. I’ve never used it so I’m not sure.
Really? Which ones dust for you? Essence and primer have never dusted on me.
it sounded like the hood had a lot of bonded contaminants
It was...not that bad, but it had some grittiness.
Yea that car shampoo is junk lol... barely foamed at all. Stick with CarPro Reset
You judge the quality of a shampoo by it’s foaming ability? 🤣🤣🤣. Carpro rest for mobile Detailers is not economical. It’s a great shampoo but also keep price in mind if your a mobile Detailer.