I messed with lower pressures early on but found higher pressures handled better, were quieter, and got better mileage. Settled at 34psi until the rebalance at a better Discount Tire, and have left them at 36psi since. Thanks for the update. Gives me hope that they will also last longer.
Wait a minute... You guys told us something that was wrong... Then you actually get on camera and admit what you did... and then give us the corrected information ??? Wow! So you are real human people after all. :-) Thank you for a really amazing example of honesty and integrity.
Love the honesty!!! I love that you guys show us your breaks and breakdowns, cause it happens to all of us. There are some channels that would never admit they did something wrong or gave bad advice and then talk crap about the company. Keep up the great work and videos!
Good to see y'all again! 28,000 on my Patagonia M/T's (265-70x17) on a Jeep WK Hemi. Daily Driver, mixed city and freeway plus occasional off road. Started with 19/32nds tread depth, now at 9/32nds. I'm impressed! Can't wait to wear them out so I can go to 33's! Can't get any bigger without more lift and cutting. Read all the "comments" (all 166 so far) and I'm getting an education. Tire shop put 28psi in at first, but they sang like Bagpipes above 45mph. Raised the pressure to 36 and they're much quieter. Kept watching your videos, along with some others and ended up with the off-road bug! That's why we met at TrailHero on WestRim trail. Great Time! LiteBriteNationGetsTired!
I've always set my tire pressure by wet road traction. Many times the manufacturers spec results in loss of traction in the wet. I've also discovered that sometimes the specified pressure results in a very poor ride. This was especially the case with my Mini Cooper. Spec was 32 PSI. The best ride was at 42, which also improved the traction significantly.
Just an entertaining side note - RC4WD makes little 1/10th scale Milestar tires for your radio control Jeeps - they have the M/T and A/T, incredible detailing on the tread and sidewall
You guys are funny. I have a 6,000lbs Suburban with 37" Patagonia MTs, run 50psi on highway and 15psi on the trail no bead locks. I did the chalk test 2 years ago when i first got them, aired down to 20psi, and two days driving later fried my power steering pump. It's been 50psi on the road and 15-20psi on the trail since.45,000 miles out of my first set and about 15,000 mi on my second set. And just like you guys, all my vehicles are wearing Milestar tires. BTW, thatnx for spreading the news and bumping up the price of these. I bought my first set for $824 shipped for all 4, last set ran over a grand.
BRILLIANT! I wondered why my new tires suddenly got loud and began feathering shortly after I reduced the pressure. BTW, I can offer an old archery trick to check for arrow clearance on the shelf that works great for determining tire contact patterns too instead of chalk... Foot powder spray. Trust me, it’s a lot easier and faster.
Made in Taiwan by the Nankang tire company founded by Japanese engineers. They make a quality product no doubt. They are marketed in the USA by Tireco under the Milestar label.
My vehicle (that I special ordered from the factory with 10 ply tires) recommends 43 psi cold (‘19 Ram quad cab hemi 4x4 classic) but I have found that (FOR ME) 65psi works the best for my uses. My tires are rated up to 80psi so I’m not in danger. I started at 43 and went up in small increments until I found what I liked and works for me.
Thanks for the update. I just replaced the Pat MT 37’s with new Pat MT 38’s. I was running them a little low on pressure for about 10k miles and did have some uneven wear. I got the dots and stems lined up correctly on this install and now I will have to bump up the PSI. Thanks for posting 👍
This may explain why mine seem to be much louder and have been cupping pretty bad. I'll try bumping them up to 32 and see how that goes! I kept meaning to contact Milestar but they didn't really have anything other than email contact info and i never bothered with it....
Me and the wife run 33x12.50R17 Pat M/T's and no matter what pressure we run they wear uneven and are not quiet at all. Started at 35PSI and now we are running 45PSI still no change.
I went into this like Oh no my favorite jeep Chanel is about to say they don't like these Then they just talked about what they accidently said wrong Super humble guys thnk you I have these on my truck and my jeep and at the price point they can't be beat I stand by them I love you guys
I concur. My load E 265/75/6 Patagonia M/Ts prefer 70 to 75 while carrying my snow plow during the winter, and 50 during the summer. They're mounted on a 1/2 ton GMC Yukon and while the door sticker says 35, I take that as a point to begin negotiations. I just let the tire tell me what pressure they require based on wear.
I ordered 4 for my z71 k1500 and I got them in today. They feel legit, and for the price its affordable, 35x12.50 R15 $744 free shipping on Amazon. I'm very well pleased, especially after a shop tried to charge me 1.7k for the same tire size.
Thanks for this info! I was wondering why my tires were starting to cup and are noisier than when I first got them. I figured it was due to the soft compound wearing down but your explanations make perfect sense! Thanks again!
Thanks for providing this update. I have a set of Patagonia M/Ts and have noticed that it takes a lot of deflation to get them to lay flat. Now I understand why. I will set the street pressure based on your updated info.
Was gonna put the Milestar on my Jeep but opted for the Hankook Dynapro MT2. After serious talks with my tire dealer and consumers go with K0 2's or Dynapro MT 2's for all around driving.
What’s your recommendation for finding right PSI? Just ordered a set for my 2020 ram 1500 classic ima check my curb weight but I’m thinking somewhere around 5,400 lbs. how did you find your psi your running? Ram says 40psi is FACTORY recommend. Wondering if that’s enough or not enough
Ps I contacted tireCo (maker of milestar) and had no luck just some basic sales people no tech line or anything unfortunately! :/ thanks in advance my friend!
I’ve been running Milestars since 2016. Hands down the best tire I have ever used. I had them on my Jeep and on my F350 4x4 diesel. No problems at anytime with these tires. Y’all certainly picked some good ones! Much love from Louisiana.
To be honest my friend put these milestar MTs on his hemi jeep GC and I was very surprised on how fast they wore down. No BS he put less than 5,000 miles on them and were almost bald. Quickest wearing tire ever made! I'd recommend iron man tires. Lasted me 25,000 and still have lots of life. And affordable like the milestar. Iron man all country MTs. Look like bfg KM2s
Just my input for off road psi. For my TJ with no beadlock, 15 psi is too high for me. I run 10~12 mostly and have not lost a bead. And if you do, just re-seat it or use your spare. I did run 8 psi recently on a very iced over trail. Different terrain and driving techniques would have an impact. I'll probably pop my bead next time out now :(
I am not disagreeing with you. But wouldn’t the center section of the tread eventually wear down and level off the crown? I can’t imagine it would take very long.
I have a two tires that I ran nearly 60k miles and the center is bald, lugs are still solid. Will run them around town until I get to the belts and get some pics or maybe a video of the extreme wear.
And the down side will be the tire will wear out faster down the middle, but it will help with improper wear/feathering. To combat the feathering, Milestar states to rotate the M/T every 3,000 miles.
Good explanation- Matt (Matt's Off Road Recovery) August 22, 2019 - did a review on these tires - gave them an A+ rating. Also - if you follow Matt's direction and go to Amazon - people were complaining about the tread wearing down - if you look at the pictures in Amazon you will see that it is the same thing you 2 were saying. Thread was wearing down on one side. I was surprised how inexpensive these tires are!
With it being crowned wouldn't it cause unsafe feeling driving on the road in the rain or snow? And I wander what psi I would run them at on 5.9 cummins megacab
Hey guys, just wanted to say thank you for your videos. As a first responder working 60+ hours a week and dealing with this coronavirus crisis it's nice to just watch your videos and get away from all the stress. It feels normal for just a few minutes, and I thank you for that bit of normalcy. I love your videos and get some great ideas for my 2018 JL. Keep them coming and be careful out there in your travels. Gods speed, Firefighter/EMT Jason Manns, Harlan, KY
I noticed the new valve stems have a hex pattern on the inside to use an allen wrench to hold it while you tighten the outside nut. I see the techs used a vise grip to hold it an marred the stem. Great information on the "Chalk Test" for a crowned tire. I am curious what the blue and orange lines on the tire are for? Thank You!!! Tony
Gotta be honest I'm on my second set of LT315/70/r17 Patagonia M/Ts and they wear okay. I got about 25,000 miles (2 years) of majority on road, but at least 5k off-road. I've been using the chalk test and it's definitely helping with wear. I can also say that even with the most proper suspension setup, the tires at 35psi are smooth but flighty. I've been down to 27psi so far and it seemed good with full 12.5 wide tread wear. These tires are a pain in the ass to dial in and balance though. Interested in what other people are running for this size. I'd like to get 30,000 miles and a comfortable ride. Currently experienced an insanely jarring vibration when at 68mph and up with this second set. Installing hub-centric spacers this week to see if helps. Potentially rebalancing the following few days. Interesting design by milestar, however I'm skeptical of its effectiveness. Seeing as the tire will "flatten" out anyway when weight applied to that small of a contact patch.
Good information. I wonder if other tires are designed like this like toyo open country. This is one of the things that makes jeeps steer like crap. Tires like this. I understand this is how they were designed but I am assuming the manufacturers don’t know that jeeps suffer from loose steering and riding on an over inflated tire or a crowned tire so it’s quieter is not good for us. We don’t drive motorcycles after all, we drive jeeps.
At first I thought u guys where gonna say these tires are crap.... I have a set of 31' Patagonias on my XJ and they're doing pretty good so far. I run them at around 32 psi on road and the center patch look like its taking most of the wear like you said after 1500 miles. Maybe I'll air em up a bit more. Took em offroad last month and they did awesome!
Air your tires down to around 20psi. Take a paper strip and lay it down on the road so it ends up under a side tread with the end of the paper where you want the tires to start making contact with the road. Slowly air up tires until you can pull the paper out. Take note of the air pressure. That is where you want it to be when on pavement.
I ran these in 38x15.50r20 on my brand new 2017 Superduty with less than 3k miles and had violent death wobble at 45 mph...Sure enough it went away after adjusting the tire pressure from 32 to 48 psi.
You can go lower than you think without beadlocks, as long as your sidewall is strong enough. I run 6 psi in my 31" LT235/85/R16 General Grabber AT2 tires, load range E. You just need to adjust your driving and be aware that your tire cannot perform the way it does at 37psi.
32,000 on my Milestar MT's now. Definitely quieter when I use higher pressure (36-38psi), and stiffer ride. Down to 6 to 7/32nds now. They are also noisier when my Jeep is out of alignment. Keep the good info coming! Shopping for the next set - Keep with Milestar? or Cooper STT (Made in America!) Advice? (Jeep WK Hemi, 265-70x17 now; want 295-70x17 next). LiteBriteNationNeverTires!
I'm wanting to move from 315/75r17 to 35/12.50r18. The 17's are load range D rated and the 18's are f rated. I called Tireco to ask about the ride comfort difference because of the different load rating on the tires and was told several times it SHOULD be no different. I asked even with a heavier sidewall tire? Wouldn't it change the way they air down and tire flexibility. Again SHOULD be the same. Honestly, the two people I spoke to from Tireco had no idea.
I had a set of pitbull rockers. They were a crown tire like you’re talking about and y’all are right you don’t need to air them down as much as a flat tread tire. I wish they still made the Pitbull rockers, but you go to their website and they don’t have anything.
Watch vid...you were right first time...just when mud tires...any mud tire...cause all tend to cup on front...so you have to rotate them more often then all season tires...first sign...rotate...ive ran MT tires on and off for yrs...learned the hardway
The multi compound construction for M/T’s is genius! Less noise for more off-road performance. I bet they last longer too. Bet we don’t get them here in South Africa 🇿🇦 ☹️
I also had an issue when aired down to sub 30 psi they move quite a bit and can contribute to death wobble. Now I air to 36psi. Good wear and no wobble.
Interesting, I have a 1952 Dodge truck that easily takes 40" tires, I was looking at these because they come in 17 x 40. I have big Michelin XZL on it now and I wanted another option for different terrain.
Thanks for the clarification. Nice touch. My biggest beef with the Patagonia is IMO they're hideous. They seem to perform very well but I can't get past what they look like.
Are other tires designed with a crown?How would you know because milestar does not list that or have the word crown on the web site for the patagonia tire.
So end of story... I can air down these tires when off road? Are they priced similar to KO2's? I have KO2's on my JL with 14k with approx 6/32 of tread. Will replace soon.
Got these tires after your reviews and some others. Running them at 65 psi (max on sidewalls), but I have a 7500 lb GMC Sierra 2500HD....loving the new shoes, wearing nicely, great in mud and snow. Thanks
You say you don’t adult well, but I have to say this is a very adult video. Admitting you were wrong is very adult of you. Very well informed. You looked for help and asked for it. Sounds like an adult move to me. #JellyNation
How are the XT’s in snow and icy conditions? I really want to get them for my truck but can’t find any reviews on them, an update on them would be awesome thanks!! Awesome content
I'm considering a Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon, which run stock 265/70R17 M/T wheels/tires. I was initially looking at the Sahara because I do mostly on-road highway driving, but want the diesel and they just aren't available, a Rubicon is. Would these Milestars be a decent replacement for road driving (I assume since they're M/T, they will perform off-road)?
So do we get to choose what milestar tire we get if we win the free give away? I put in for 35"s, but I would love to have the XTs for my diesel since I already have 40" MTs on the jeep.
Also to mention most trailer tires are only good for 2 to 4 years per manufacture as most are cheaply made and desegregate quickly . Anyone who owns an RV and tows often know what I'm saying. Tire blow outs happen often and it side walls and at time tire feels sticky like it melted. ALSO don't let anyone tell trailer tires do not need balanced! That is complete crap your RV dealers will tell you that too. An unbalanced tire causes vibration and excessive heat which will cause tire failure. It will also wear out wheel bearing faster as well. Side note if you put step up rating of tire make sure the wheel is rated for added tire PSI as well. Most trailer wheels are at max for tire that came on it. Just some advanced learning to share from last 20 years of trailers and tires I've been through.
I feel better. The chalk test had me at 27PSI. Also handling felt very soft. Gas mileage, handling and noise was better at 35psi for on road. Beadlocks I air down to 13psi. Yes, I can go lower, but we have more sand and mud than rocks.
I feel like the fact that you have to run high psi to run them makes these not worth it. So just to get a good wear pattern you have to run a high psi which destroys ride quality and makes the road even bumpier.
Hey guys I'm from Canada eh. 2018 jeep wrangler jlur and driving all over the country for work. Not a mechanic. What types of issues should I be aware of as I continue into the abyss ? Thanks!
Have you guys done a review on the Patagonia XT AT's that you put on your truck yet? I'm getting ready to make take the plunge, but was leaning towards something different. Should I consider the AT's? I'll be hauling my Jeep as well.
Do you know if Maxxis Razr Mts have a crown? I was not that successful on trying a chalk test on them on my gladiator. Of course I'm new to that so I may have don't it wrong and just abandoned the idea.
a question for you, I just got 40" Milestar with Metalcloak JL left kit with front and back metal bumpers and winch and ultimate 60s front and back on my JL. What tire pressure do you use on your milestar 40" before on road?
So do you not recommend this tire anymore or are you saying don’t run lower Psi for on road use? Is it still a good tire if you run 35 psi on road and 15psi off road?
Definitely good info. What would you recommend for the thunderer trac grip mt on a f250 lol. I've been playing with pressure. With an uploaded truck I'm at 60psi front and 50 rear. Anything lower it seems to want to wash and wonder.
I got a kick out of watching the valve stem being held by vicegrips to tighten the nut when you can clearly see there is a hex at the bottom of the stem assembly to hold it in place which would prevent you from damaging the stem. Other than that thanks for tips and the info good work.
I run 28PSI in my JLU. When I first bought them they had 38PSI and it felt like I was skating all over the road. How does 28/32/38PSI compare in handling? I'll try 32PSI tomorrow.
Yo - how have these been with hard braking and wet pavement driving for you guys? I'm about to pull the trigger on some 37s for my JLR but my final concern here is how much on-road rubber contact I'm gonna lose compared to my stock KO2s when I'm not out wheeling. The pats seem to be the quietest running tire that still retains MT performance on the trail so I'm pumped to get them on the rig.
LB. Does the term "out of your depth" mean anything to Lite Bright Nation ? After reading the comments and replies from viewers, glad to see "Nitto" is your preferred tire brand for K.O.H. 2021 ! V.
I messed with lower pressures early on but found higher pressures handled better, were quieter, and got better mileage. Settled at 34psi until the rebalance at a better Discount Tire, and have left them at 36psi since. Thanks for the update. Gives me hope that they will also last longer.
Wait a minute... You guys told us something that was wrong... Then you actually get on camera and admit what you did... and then give us the corrected information ??? Wow! So you are real human people after all. :-) Thank you for a really amazing example of honesty and integrity.
What a Beautiful ST.BERNARD at the end I had one he was a beautiful and best dog ever. R.I.P Sir William Wallace 12/7/19
Love the honesty!!! I love that you guys show us your breaks and breakdowns, cause it happens to all of us. There are some channels that would never admit they did something wrong or gave bad advice and then talk crap about the company. Keep up the great work and videos!
Yes - Honesty is good ! 😀
*cough*Wayalife*cough*
Good to see y'all again! 28,000 on my Patagonia M/T's (265-70x17) on a Jeep WK Hemi. Daily Driver, mixed city and freeway plus occasional off road. Started with 19/32nds tread depth, now at 9/32nds. I'm impressed! Can't wait to wear them out so I can go to 33's! Can't get any bigger without more lift and cutting. Read all the "comments" (all 166 so far) and I'm getting an education.
Tire shop put 28psi in at first, but they sang like Bagpipes above 45mph. Raised the pressure to 36 and they're much quieter. Kept watching your videos, along with some others and ended up with the off-road bug! That's why we met at TrailHero on WestRim trail. Great Time! LiteBriteNationGetsTired!
I've always set my tire pressure by wet road traction. Many times the manufacturers spec results in loss of traction in the wet. I've also discovered that sometimes the specified pressure results in a very poor ride. This was especially the case with my Mini Cooper. Spec was 32 PSI. The best ride was at 42, which also improved the traction significantly.
Just an entertaining side note - RC4WD makes little 1/10th scale Milestar tires for your radio control Jeeps - they have the M/T and A/T, incredible detailing on the tread and sidewall
You guys are funny. I have a 6,000lbs Suburban with 37" Patagonia MTs, run 50psi on highway and 15psi on the trail no bead locks. I did the chalk test 2 years ago when i first got them, aired down to 20psi, and two days driving later fried my power steering pump. It's been 50psi on the road and 15-20psi on the trail since.45,000 miles out of my first set and about 15,000 mi on my second set. And just like you guys, all my vehicles are wearing Milestar tires.
BTW, thatnx for spreading the news and bumping up the price of these. I bought my first set for $824 shipped for all 4, last set ran over a grand.
BRILLIANT! I wondered why my new tires suddenly got loud and began feathering shortly after I reduced the pressure. BTW, I can offer an old archery trick to check for arrow clearance on the shelf that works great for determining tire contact patterns too instead of chalk... Foot powder spray. Trust me, it’s a lot easier and faster.
Made in Taiwan by the Nankang tire company founded by Japanese engineers. They make a quality product no doubt. They are marketed in the USA by Tireco under the Milestar label.
I run 35psi in my Milestar MT's on my ZR2. I've been pretty happy with the wear.
Thank you for keeping your content "Lite Brite" and not giving us your take on the news.
My vehicle (that I special ordered from the factory with 10 ply tires) recommends 43 psi cold (‘19 Ram quad cab hemi 4x4 classic) but I have found that (FOR ME) 65psi works the best for my uses. My tires are rated up to 80psi so I’m not in danger. I started at 43 and went up in small increments until I found what I liked and works for me.
Thanks for the update, got 30k on my MS-MTs with a third of those miles on the sharp rocks of Arizona, great value, great tire. 💥
Oof. I nearly panicked after seeing this title. Just put a set of these on my Suzuki samurai and your review was what made me buy them.
Samurai!
Thanks for the update. I just replaced the Pat MT 37’s with new Pat MT 38’s. I was running them a little low on pressure for about 10k miles and did have some uneven wear. I got the dots and stems lined up correctly on this install and now I will have to bump up the PSI.
Thanks for posting 👍
Never knew the "chalk" test was a thing for off-road tires...
In autox...we "chalk" the shoulders to gauge roll-over...
nice update! 😊
It great how you guys correct yourselves and let everyone know it. You're the best to of people to learn from
This may explain why mine seem to be much louder and have been cupping pretty bad. I'll try bumping them up to 32 and see how that goes! I kept meaning to contact Milestar but they didn't really have anything other than email contact info and i never bothered with it....
Ya try 34ish
Me and the wife run 33x12.50R17 Pat M/T's and no matter what pressure we run they wear uneven and are not quiet at all. Started at 35PSI and now we are running 45PSI still no change.
I went into this like
Oh no my favorite jeep Chanel is about to say they don't like these
Then they just talked about what they accidently said wrong
Super humble guys thnk you
I have these on my truck and my jeep and at the price point they can't be beat I stand by them
I love you guys
Thinking about putting the xt on my truck as well
Good info I just ordered some 38’s for my JKU And I’ve always ran my tires to about 28 psi on the road
I concur. My load E 265/75/6 Patagonia M/Ts prefer 70 to 75 while carrying my snow plow during the winter, and 50 during the summer. They're mounted on a 1/2 ton GMC Yukon and while the door sticker says 35, I take that as a point to begin negotiations.
I just let the tire tell me what pressure they require based on wear.
I ordered 4 for my z71 k1500 and I got them in today. They feel legit, and for the price its affordable, 35x12.50 R15 $744 free shipping on Amazon. I'm very well pleased, especially after a shop tried to charge me 1.7k for the same tire size.
Thanks for this info! I was wondering why my tires were starting to cup and are noisier than when I first got them. I figured it was due to the soft compound wearing down but your explanations make perfect sense! Thanks again!
Thanks for providing this update. I have a set of Patagonia M/Ts and have noticed that it takes a lot of deflation to get them to lay flat. Now I understand why. I will set the street pressure based on your updated info.
Just ordered new wheels and a set of Milestar Patagonia M/T!
Was gonna put the Milestar on my Jeep but opted for the Hankook Dynapro MT2. After serious talks with my tire dealer and consumers go with K0 2's or Dynapro MT 2's for all around driving.
What’s your recommendation for finding right PSI? Just ordered a set for my 2020 ram 1500 classic ima check my curb weight but I’m thinking somewhere around 5,400 lbs. how did you find your psi your running? Ram says 40psi is FACTORY recommend. Wondering if that’s enough or not enough
Ps I contacted tireCo (maker of milestar) and had no luck just some basic sales people no tech line or anything unfortunately! :/ thanks in advance my friend!
I’ve been running Milestars since 2016. Hands down the best tire I have ever used. I had them on my Jeep and on my F350 4x4 diesel. No problems at anytime with these tires. Y’all certainly picked some good ones! Much love from Louisiana.
What psi do you run them on your f350?
To be honest my friend put these milestar MTs on his hemi jeep GC and I was very surprised on how fast they wore down. No BS he put less than 5,000 miles on them and were almost bald. Quickest wearing tire ever made! I'd recommend iron man tires. Lasted me 25,000 and still have lots of life. And affordable like the milestar. Iron man all country MTs. Look like bfg KM2s
Just my input for off road psi. For my TJ with no beadlock, 15 psi is too high for me. I run 10~12 mostly and have not lost a bead. And if you do, just re-seat it or use your spare. I did run 8 psi recently on a very iced over trail. Different terrain and driving techniques would have an impact. I'll probably pop my bead next time out now :(
I'm looking to put these on my Jeep as 40x13.50x17. Did some research and found the manufacturer is Nankang Rubber Tire Corp., Ltd. in China.
I am not disagreeing with you. But wouldn’t the center section of the tread eventually wear down and level off the crown? I can’t imagine it would take very long.
I have a two tires that I ran nearly 60k miles and the center is bald, lugs are still solid. Will run them around town until I get to the belts and get some pics or maybe a video of the extreme wear.
Yes. Thats what is going to happen.
And the down side will be the tire will wear out faster down the middle, but it will help with improper wear/feathering. To combat the feathering, Milestar states to rotate the M/T every 3,000 miles.
I don't have these tires, but I appreciate that you folks corrected the information. Thumbs up, guys.
Good explanation- Matt (Matt's Off Road Recovery) August 22, 2019 - did a review on these tires - gave them an A+ rating. Also - if you follow Matt's direction and go to Amazon - people were complaining about the tread wearing down - if you look at the pictures in Amazon you will see that it is the same thing you 2 were saying. Thread was wearing down on one side. I was surprised how inexpensive these tires are!
With it being crowned wouldn't it cause unsafe feeling driving on the road in the rain or snow? And I wander what psi I would run them at on 5.9 cummins megacab
Hey guys, just wanted to say thank you for your videos. As a first responder working 60+ hours a week and dealing with this coronavirus crisis it's nice to just watch your videos and get away from all the stress. It feels normal for just a few minutes, and I thank you for that bit of normalcy. I love your videos and get some great ideas for my 2018 JL. Keep them coming and be careful out there in your travels. Gods speed, Firefighter/EMT Jason Manns, Harlan, KY
Thank YOU for everything that you do! I hope you’re getting some well deserved rest here and there!
I noticed the new valve stems have a hex pattern on the inside to use an allen wrench to hold it while you tighten the outside nut. I see the techs used a vise grip to hold it an marred the stem. Great information on the "Chalk Test" for a crowned tire. I am curious what the blue and orange lines on the tire are for? Thank You!!!
Tony
The vice grips shocked me. As did the guy fumbling with one bar trying to set that tire.
Gotta be honest I'm on my second set of LT315/70/r17 Patagonia M/Ts and they wear okay. I got about 25,000 miles (2 years) of majority on road, but at least 5k off-road. I've been using the chalk test and it's definitely helping with wear. I can also say that even with the most proper suspension setup, the tires at 35psi are smooth but flighty. I've been down to 27psi so far and it seemed good with full 12.5 wide tread wear. These tires are a pain in the ass to dial in and balance though. Interested in what other people are running for this size. I'd like to get 30,000 miles and a comfortable ride. Currently experienced an insanely jarring vibration when at 68mph and up with this second set. Installing hub-centric spacers this week to see if helps. Potentially rebalancing the following few days. Interesting design by milestar, however I'm skeptical of its effectiveness. Seeing as the tire will "flatten" out anyway when weight applied to that small of a contact patch.
How is it now with your hub rings?
@@JWard2 worked like a charm!
Good information. I wonder if other tires are designed like this like toyo open country. This is one of the things that makes jeeps steer like crap. Tires like this. I understand this is how they were designed but I am assuming the manufacturers don’t know that jeeps suffer from loose steering and riding on an over inflated tire or a crowned tire so it’s quieter is not good for us. We don’t drive motorcycles after all, we drive jeeps.
At first I thought u guys where gonna say these tires are crap.... I have a set of 31' Patagonias on my XJ and they're doing pretty good so far. I run them at around 32 psi on road and the center patch look like its taking most of the wear like you said after 1500 miles. Maybe I'll air em up a bit more. Took em offroad last month and they did awesome!
Air your tires down to around 20psi. Take a paper strip and lay it down on the road so it ends up under a side tread with the end of the paper where you want the tires to start making contact with the road. Slowly air up tires until you can pull the paper out. Take note of the air pressure. That is where you want it to be when on pavement.
Those all terrains look like a killer trad pattern. I’ll be very curious to hear how they do when you get into some rain and snow!
I ran these in 38x15.50r20 on my brand new 2017 Superduty with less than 3k miles and had violent death wobble at 45 mph...Sure enough it went away after adjusting the tire pressure from 32 to 48 psi.
48 holy hell!
You can go lower than you think without beadlocks, as long as your sidewall is strong enough. I run 6 psi in my 31" LT235/85/R16 General Grabber AT2 tires, load range E. You just need to adjust your driving and be aware that your tire cannot perform the way it does at 37psi.
32,000 on my Milestar MT's now. Definitely quieter when I use higher pressure (36-38psi), and stiffer ride. Down to 6 to 7/32nds now. They are also noisier when my Jeep is out of alignment. Keep the good info coming! Shopping for the next set - Keep with Milestar? or Cooper STT (Made in America!) Advice? (Jeep WK Hemi, 265-70x17 now; want 295-70x17 next). LiteBriteNationNeverTires!
Cooper STT Pros are a bit louder on road, but we’ve had great experiences with those as well!
I'm wanting to move from 315/75r17 to 35/12.50r18. The 17's are load range D rated and the 18's are f rated. I called Tireco to ask about the ride comfort difference because of the different load rating on the tires and was told several times it SHOULD be no different. I asked even with a heavier sidewall tire? Wouldn't it change the way they air down and tire flexibility. Again SHOULD be the same. Honestly, the two people I spoke to from Tireco had no idea.
I had a set of pitbull rockers. They were a crown tire like you’re talking about and y’all are right you don’t need to air them down as much as a flat tread tire. I wish they still made the Pitbull rockers, but you go to their website and they don’t have anything.
She corrected you like 100 times, just have her do it next time 😁
Campbell she does it all the time. Kevin is a very patient man.
She interrupts him, talks over him to the point I have to stop watching
You are dead on this observation.
From experience, before you drive through Alaska buy a couple extra wheels and tires for the truck. Also a GOOD jack and some blocking.
Watch vid...you were right first time...just when mud tires...any mud tire...cause all tend to cup on front...so you have to rotate them more often then all season tires...first sign...rotate...ive ran MT tires on and off for yrs...learned the hardway
The multi compound construction for M/T’s is genius! Less noise for more off-road performance. I bet they last longer too. Bet we don’t get them here in South Africa 🇿🇦 ☹️
Thanks for your honesty. Great personal quality.
I also had an issue when aired down to sub 30 psi they move quite a bit and can contribute to death wobble. Now I air to 36psi. Good wear and no wobble.
Interesting, I have a 1952 Dodge truck that easily takes 40" tires, I was looking at these because they come in 17 x 40. I have big Michelin XZL on it now and I wanted another option for different terrain.
Thanks for the clarification. Nice touch. My biggest beef with the Patagonia is IMO they're hideous. They seem to perform very well but I can't get past what they look like.
Anderson Camper Leveler is a cheap and lightweight option to lift a tandem axle trailer to change a flat
Are other tires designed with a crown?How would you know because milestar does not list that or have the word crown on the web site for the patagonia tire.
You can visible see the curve of the tire (ie it’s rounded across the width rather than flat)
What about for a 3/4 ton. My door is 60 front 70 back. Is that too much air? Considering this tire
So end of story... I can air down these tires when off road? Are they priced similar to KO2's? I have KO2's on my JL with 14k with approx 6/32 of tread. Will replace soon.
Is the crowned vs. flat tread type listed on a tires mfg. specs?
Got these tires after your reviews and some others. Running them at 65 psi (max on sidewalls), but I have a 7500 lb GMC Sierra 2500HD....loving the new shoes, wearing nicely, great in mud and snow. Thanks
How many miles did they last or have they lasted?
You say you don’t adult well, but I have to say this is a very adult video. Admitting you were wrong is very adult of you. Very well informed. You looked for help and asked for it. Sounds like an adult move to me. #JellyNation
You take that back!! Hahah
How are the XT’s in snow and icy conditions? I really want to get them for my truck but can’t find any reviews on them, an update on them would be awesome thanks!! Awesome content
I'm considering a Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon, which run stock 265/70R17 M/T wheels/tires. I was initially looking at the Sahara because I do mostly on-road highway driving, but want the diesel and they just aren't available, a Rubicon is. Would these Milestars be a decent replacement for road driving (I assume since they're M/T, they will perform off-road)?
Few yrs ago I bought a pickup that had milestar mud tires and they wore down fast and chunked like crazy
Out of curiosity, how does running on only the center treads of the M/Ts affect tire temperatures on the road? Won’t that overheat the centers?
Glad i saw this. I walked out of the store just a few hours ago with chalk to do my test tomorrow.
Hey got the same tires for my jk 2014 they look good on my jeep your right they are hybrid tires and from what i hear about them is they last .
I love my Milestar M/Ts I run them on my Cummins, always ran Toyo or BFG but I'm sold on these tires.
Does the crowned center cause any traction issues when fully inflated? I'm in the market for some new ones for my Cummins too.
So do we get to choose what milestar tire we get if we win the free give away? I put in for 35"s, but I would love to have the XTs for my diesel since I already have 40" MTs on the jeep.
Yes we can arrange that
Good to know. Thanks for the humble correction.
Also to mention most trailer tires are only good for 2 to 4 years per manufacture as most are cheaply made and desegregate quickly . Anyone who owns an RV and tows often know what I'm saying. Tire blow outs happen often and it side walls and at time tire feels sticky like it melted. ALSO don't let anyone tell trailer tires do not need balanced! That is complete crap your RV dealers will tell you that too. An unbalanced tire causes vibration and excessive heat which will cause tire failure. It will also wear out wheel bearing faster as well. Side note if you put step up rating of tire make sure the wheel is rated for added tire PSI as well. Most trailer wheels are at max for tire that came on it. Just some advanced learning to share from last 20 years of trailers and tires I've been through.
Tell homie installing the valve stems that you can use an Allen wrench to hold instead of vise grips
I just bought them for my Chevy k1500, I still need to get my 6inch lift but for the price you can't beat it. 35x12.50 R15
Which is better for offroad grip? Milestar Patagonia or Nitto Trail Grapplers?
I feel better. The chalk test had me at 27PSI. Also handling felt very soft. Gas mileage, handling and noise was better at 35psi for on road. Beadlocks I air down to 13psi. Yes, I can go lower, but we have more sand and mud than rocks.
I feel like the fact that you have to run high psi to run them makes these not worth it. So just to get a good wear pattern you have to run a high psi which destroys ride quality and makes the road even bumpier.
Hey guys I'm from Canada eh. 2018 jeep wrangler jlur and driving all over the country for work. Not a mechanic. What types of issues should I be aware of as I continue into the abyss ? Thanks!
Have you guys done a review on the Patagonia XT AT's that you put on your truck yet? I'm getting ready to make take the plunge, but was leaning towards something different. Should I consider the AT's? I'll be hauling my Jeep as well.
Do you know if Maxxis Razr Mts have a crown? I was not that successful on trying a chalk test on them on my gladiator. Of course I'm new to that so I may have don't it wrong and just abandoned the idea.
a question for you, I just got 40" Milestar with Metalcloak JL left kit with front and back metal bumpers and winch and ultimate 60s front and back on my JL. What tire pressure do you use on your milestar 40" before on road?
So do you not recommend this tire anymore or are you saying don’t run lower Psi for on road use? Is it still a good tire if you run 35 psi on road and 15psi off road?
They should give a discount with your special code.... would be thinking of trying them out on my Cummins,trailer and Jeep too...
Definitely good info. What would you recommend for the thunderer trac grip mt on a f250 lol. I've been playing with pressure. With an uploaded truck I'm at 60psi front and 50 rear. Anything lower it seems to want to wash and wonder.
Thanks for the update! Always good to work with the MFG to pass on right information. 👍
How are the MT in the rain? My Bridgestone Dueller AT Revo2 are horrible at hydro plane and super pulls into direction or deeper water ponding... 😱
We’ve never had an issue with ours! They perform well.
Would you put the XT’s on the Step Child for off roading if it was a 50/50 on off driver?
Give that man a raise @ 10:50!
Had me scared by the title, was just getting ready to pull the trigger on a new set of the M/T's and you had me worried.
I know right. There's already a half naked blonde on the channel, is clickbait really necessary?
Gzr Gldr I’m thinking I’m going to grab a set as well.
I got a kick out of watching the valve stem being held by vicegrips to tighten the nut when you can clearly see there is a hex at the bottom of the stem assembly to hold it in place which would prevent you from damaging the stem. Other than that thanks for tips and the info good work.
Any updates on those xt tires... looking at putting a set on my truck
I run 28PSI in my JLU. When I first bought them they had 38PSI and it felt like I was skating all over the road. How does 28/32/38PSI compare in handling? I'll try 32PSI tomorrow.
Yo - how have these been with hard braking and wet pavement driving for you guys? I'm about to pull the trigger on some 37s for my JLR but my final concern here is how much on-road rubber contact I'm gonna lose compared to my stock KO2s when I'm not out wheeling. The pats seem to be the quietest running tire that still retains MT performance on the trail so I'm pumped to get them on the rig.
I've been running the Patagonia's at 28-30 PSI for a year and a half and have a perfect wear pattern. No feathering at all.
What vehicle?
More importantly, what weight?
You guys are awesome! Thanks for sharing your amazing life with us! And we love you too!!!❤️♥️
LB. Does the term "out of your depth" mean anything to Lite Bright Nation ? After reading the comments and replies from viewers, glad to see "Nitto" is your preferred tire brand for K.O.H. 2021 ! V.
So if the tire pressure is kept at the correct pressure, what kind of mileage should be expected?