Drs. Ann Burgess & Gary Brucato on Similarities w/ Bryan Kohberger, Richard Allen & Alex Murdaugh
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Join Chris and his special guests famed Mindhunter Dr. Ann Burgess and forensic psychologist Dr. Gary Brucato as they discuss the psychological commonalities of accused killer Bryan Kohberger, convicted double murderer Alex Murdaugh, and Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen. Join in the discussion.
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Anne Burgess and Dr. Gary are the absolute most fascinating speakers on RUclips. I always learn so much from you. And you explain it in such an easy way to just soak in all that knowledge. Thank you all for teaching to keep others safe and to understand. The Interview Room, Surviving the Surviver, AND Hidden True Crime are the best on television without a doubt. Where are your Oscars!!??
John Chris is a great interviewer! He doesn't interrupt and change the subject on his guests, he doesn't put himself in front of the interview. I enjoy his program because he respects his guests (thereby respecting his viewers) and doesn't make himself the focal point, he makes the topic the focal point. It is great to be able to watch a show and not get frustrated with the host. Also, Chris doesn't overload the show with commercials so it is easy to follow the continuity of the show. Great host!!!
He is and also a great human being. We all love working with Chris.
@@drgaryb13 Ditto 😉
Exactly
Among some podcasts that I have been watching, this is one of my favourite, particularly for the empathy, real compassion, common sense and absence of egocentric tendencies of Mr McDonough 💫👍🏾, in my opinion
💯% right.
Love listening to Dr. Bracato. He is a genius.
He is ❤❤
And Dr. Ann! She’s a true pioneer in profiling serial killers.
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I absolutely appreciate Dr. Gary’s emphasis on how mental illness and mass shootings are overblown by the press. I appreciate Dr. Ann’s perspective on focusing on the underlying cause of suicidal people and to always focus on the victimology. What an amazing discussion between brilliant minds.
Dr. B, thanks so much for mentioning the traffic stop behavior. For a guy who is labeled “weird “ and “awkward “, when It came to schmoozing his way out of a ticket, he was spot on.
It's an honour to be able to listen to Dr Ann
I could listen to this dialog all day long. Both Dr.s have great knowledge and insight and the ability to impart their knowledge with passion and imagination.😮
Always love Anne and Gary! Please keep bringing them back :) I could listen to Gary for hours
I could listen to both Dr. Burgess and Dr. Brucato all day every day! Amazing insight, absolutely fascinating ❤
Dr Gary...what a brilliant statement you made. This can apply to anyone.."You don't have to be treated badly.. you just have to perceive you are" You are genius!! Nothing makes sense more than that!!! ❤ Gina. Ps Karen and Chris..love u guys!!
I agree, that was such an impactful statement. Thank you so much for your comment. 💕
Right, this REALLY stuck out to me.
Gina: Are you a professor?
@@drgaryb13Aloha Dr. Gary,hope you are doing well I’m looking forward to see you & the other wonderful guests on the show tomorrow 😊
@@drgaryb13 Yes I am...
Honestly, one of the best discussions I’ve ever heard. Amazing that we get to hear insights from these renowned experts on this matter.
Didn't have to be treated badly; just have to perceive that you were. Brilliant. Dr. Brucato - Anne and Chris too of course.
I agree! Thank you so much for your comment. 💕
Gary is especially insightful. I really enjoyed his psychological analyses
In addition, his vocabulary is impressive.
As a longtime RN, love that Dr Burgess is a legend in her field. And Dr Brucato is always great! Great show
Thank you for your service
Sometimes I long for the days when our lives didn't revolve around tech, but not today. What a privilege to get a free master class from Dr. Brucato and Dr. Burgess. THANK YOU!
Well said I couldn’t agree more!
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Thank you Chris for continuing to bring Dr Burgess and Dr Brucato to your channel for us to watch and learn. I’ve learnt so much from listening to your channel guests.
This was a great episode, Chris. Can you please have Dr Gary back on to discuss Richard Allen again, now that the explosive defense filing came out and his attorneys suddenly quit? I think more and more something is really wrong here and I agree with Dr Gary that Richard Allen just does not fit this crime. I also don't believe he's being treated well in Westville.
Thank you for another great show with two of my favorite guests. Thank you to everyone who joined us today and/ or watched the replay 😊
Super deep, rich conversation, analytical theories, & zeroing in on important facts & details with these 3 leaders in criminal psychology & behavior!! Will watch this several times to process & digest all the golden nuggets! 😅❤
Right I watch cpl times and take notes for school lol
Well said thank you for watching.
Listening to these experts is akin to taking an advanced graduate course in criminology. Thank you for sharing your research, answering our questions, and for all you do to help make our world a safer place. God bless. 😇❤️
My favorite guests. Such insight. Spot on.
“Going postal” came from my hometown of Edmond, Oklahoma. I was in middle school when that happened, it was a postal worker that showed up and blew everybody away. It was the mid 80’s in a wealthy suburb of OKC and it was quite shocking.
I am so sorry that was so close to home for you. It definitely was an impactful moment in our society and something we’ll never forget.
That is horrible ❤️
I too, can recall that horrific incident on the World News on my local news 6pm Newscasts when I was in Elementary School. And I live in East KY😢But I also recall as I got older older the phrase ‘Going Postal’ meant someone as some would say today ‘Off the Rails’
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Great show!!! The studies and work Dr. Brucato and Dr. Burgess continue to pursue is so important! It is fascinating to be able to 'pick' their very knowledgeable brains !!! Thank you TIR!!
The psychology is the reason I love true crime. I don’t like the gruesome facts. I want to be able to identify these people, to pick up on the red flags.
I agree with you 💯.
Same.
I absolutely love Dr. Gary's categorizations and data-based organization of killers. Really helps one understand the motivations behind horrific crimes.
I think that way about everything, haha, I drive people batty.
@@drgaryb13 i totally get it, being a veterinarian and animal behavior analyst.
@@BurroGirllol your owners are more dangerous than your patients😂
@@mastifflover4709 you are SO correct! My patients rock. Donkeys are so misunderstood and I'd rather be around them than most humans.
@@BurroGirl any animal is easier to deal with than humans!
I love all your shows with Ann and Gary. I learn so much!
Dr's Burgess & Burcato..... true crime expert rare gems!! 💎💎
On my second full watch thru tonight I love listening to These 2 brilliant, super knowledgable Forenscic Brainiacs!!! ❤Their books r Fantastic too all!!
Really really great show & guests Chris. Please invite them back for another round!
Understanding how the mind works is so valuable. Thank you for sharing your expertise.
Red flag on personality, when BK's father asked the neighbor to be his friend 'cause he didn't know anyone'. Comes off so strange for a father to say about a 28 year old. It's reminiscent of kindergarten maybe, but not at 28
Could be just a worried father aware his son is a former heroin addict, trying to help him stay on the right path
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What an incredible interview. Thank you so much for having these guests on. Very insightful. Please have them back another time.
We've been on lots!
I’m glad you enjoyed the show These guests have been on TIR before and if you’d like to watch those shows they’re in the playlist. 😊
@@drgaryb13 Thanks again for your insight!
@@MauiGirl Thank you, MG. I will have to watch them!
@@kathylynch9732 you’re welcome
Such a great team: Chris, Anne and Gary. I love your sessions. ❤
Have been looking forward to another discussion with Dr. Burgess and Dr. Brucato. Thank you to Chris, Karen and everyone @ TIR for such an informative and engaging session. This feels like a step forward to be able to systematically study such cases in a meaningful way. I find the book The New Evil an interesting walkthrough of prior cases and also a great way forward in understanding the differences in motivation behind such criminal behaviour.
Very well said, Dr. B. Abby, Libby, and their families have peace.
Thank you Ann, Gary and Chris for another amazing show.
Gary Brucato I love listening to you talk!! Brilliant!! And I love your comments to people! I feel like some aren’t hearing you…they listen but don’t hear what you are actually saying!! Your a wealth of knowledge about this subject and I’m sure plenty of others!
I second that comment!
Thank you very much.
@@MauiGirl he’s fascinating to listen to!! I want him to read his book the new evil! I’d love to hear him interject comments on some of the things I’m reading!!
He buried the knife along that 75 mile detour on the way home, along with bloody clothes.
This show is the very BEST. These two guests are exceptional !! Love you too Chris! Very fascinating and educational.
I love everything about this show, thank you Chris, Karen, Dr.Burgess and Dr.Brucato.
Thank you for watching
I think it was pretty terrific discussing these three cases in one place. Appears this is the first time it has been done!
More of this, please!...also, realizing what little we know of the Delphi suspect doesn't fit what little we know of the crime, it is interesting to note that one of the victims looks exactly like the daughter of the suspect at the time of this crime....?
And that the minute 2 psychologists and 1 psychiatrist decided he didn't need medicine, his behavior returned to normal...he began eating and sleeping again. Personally I think he was faking psychosis maybe to set up an insanity defense...but I'm open to being wrong. Looking forward to more facts being made available.
@@marisapolesky That's not even remotely what actually happened. It
"It bothered him that people could not be reduced to a science". Thank you for rewarding my insomnia Dr. Brucato. It totally makes sense that he was flummoxed by people and it infuriated him.
What an amazing analysis of the three cases and a fantastic breakdown of each of them. Thank you all so much!
I could listen to Dr. Brucato and Dr. Burgess talk about this stuff all day, everyday! Thanks for hosting them on your show again, it’s awesome to see these experts discussing everything together. I feel like I should be paying to hear their expertise, their knowledge is so valuable
We need an update now on Delphi case after latest defense motions alleging Odinism sacrifice
Thanks Dr. Gary and Dr. Ann you two are amazing at what you do! Can't wait to read the books you have written!! And thanks Chris for all your knowledge! ❤
I adore Ann she's a straight genius
💯 Thank you so much for your kind comment.
I agree Ann is amazing
So...like usual when you have superb guests, I have to listen at least twice to grasp the finer implications of the discussion. Here I am again, rofl. This one might take more than 2x...thick information, phenomenal discussion! Thx Chris and all!!
I have to do the same sometimes. I listened to an hr and a half of Russell Brand talking about heavy spiritual stuff and had to listen again. Still may listen a third time 😂
I would love to hear Dr. Brucato talk more about his thoughts on Richard Allen because the fact that he has some doubts about Allen fitting the profile of the crime is significant. I’d love to hear more about his opinion on that. He nailed BK to a T before he was arrested.
Excellent send off by both doctors. It is about the victims and saving people from becoming victims. If you sense/see something, do/say something. I couldn't agree more.
I absolutely LOVE the End w the Song taking us to Hawaii! I smile big while singing it, everytime❣️
Kohberger wrote on several social media platforms that he felt empty , blank , void of feelings and no empathy , he also said that he would look at family members and feel nothing , no love or connection ..sounds like an unholy mix of avoidant Personality disorder , sociopathy and schizoid affective to me
Love Dr Gary. When he speaks I soak jt all up. Legend x
I love these two quests!!! Fascinating and so knowledgeable!
What a great show! Thank you, Chris, Dr. Ann, and Dr. Gary, for sharing your vast knowledge and insight. Happy 4th of July, everyone! ❤🎉🇺🇸❤
So refreshing to hear the opinions of actual authentic experts instead of all the amateur sleuths with all their crazy theories who haven't got a clue what they are talking about .
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Agree! They would have zero content without these crazy conspiracy theories.
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Great show Chris!!
Both of your guests were great 😊
Happy 4th😊
Thanks! You too!
Best panel ever!!!!
I agree! Thanks for watching
I've seen half so far. I'm catching up. Great panel. I adore the inspirational Ann Burgess ❤️
Thank you for such a great show tonight! Justice For Maddie, Kaylee, Ethan and Xana 🙏🙏🙏🙏💔💔💔💔🙏💔💙💙💙🙏💔💙🙏
Thank you for watching
Hi Chris, excellent episode, Dr Burgess and Dr Brucato always give the viewer “food for thought” Thank you. Cheers Maria UK.
BK also was harsher in grading females than males in class. They say he became more fair in evaluating students following murders.
Fascinating episode. I really enjoyed this panel.
Thank you for watching
Mind Hunters is a fantastic series.
Regarding BK,
I think there was enough natural ambient light to walk through the house. The windows and slider did not have the blinds drawn closed. A headlamp would have given any intruder away. I, also, suspect that he might have been in the home before. I recall, XKs mom mentioned that her father came out the weekend before to change lock on her bedroom door.
He may not have murdered before this, but I bet he learned to scope things out (Surveil) to Burglarized while in PA starting in H.S. during Heroin use. Three ways to get an adrenaline rush, at age 17.
Oh my god, so happy to see you back. I am now a subscriber, and so thrilled that your show is on tonight. I will be able to listen to you while I knit!!! 🧶
Thanks for watching 😊
Thanks Maui Girl!!! Love the guests and Chris and Karen. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
How did I miss this? The best guests. Fave channel.
Thank you so much for your kind comment. We appreciate you watching the replay and leaving a comment. 😊
Love Dr. Brucato!!!
Thanks :D
Watch until the end. They give invaluable insight on how to keep you and yours safe!!!
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39:20 The explanation Gary Brucato gave for BK’s grievance seems to fit perfectly. He had a good upbringing, but it didn’t pan out for BK *personally* because of the fact that he never failed to weird-out people.
Wow! Now I understand why I am so interested in true crime--- as a survivor of domestic violence, it makes sense that I am being hypervigilant.
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I missed the live show as I'm in the UK, amazing video Drs, Burgess and Brucato are my favourite guests. I could listen to them all day!
Great topics Chris and I praise the two doctors 👏👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍
I hope they televise the trial like they did with Alec Murdough. That trial was incredible!
Great panel. Thank you so much🐘🐘🐘
I wonder if warnings he got from the TA job professor in the PhD program for BK was one of the triggers that Dr. B is referring to
Didnt he lose his job way after the murders?
I think there was a trigger which will emerge.
He had worked towards a role in law enforcement / criminology for years, an Dr B said, losing job - he lost his identity and took corrective action to level playing field
Thanks Chris for another great show. I have learned a lot since listening to all of your amazing guests. I look forward to many more of your podcasts.
Thanks for listening
I love your podcast and especially these guest more than any others on you tube!
Thank you for watching 😊
THANK YOU IT HAS BEEN TRULY AN HONOR, YOU ALL ARE SO WISE & KNOWLEDGEABLE. GOD BLESS YOU & KEEP YOU SAFE ALWAYS.💖💖💖🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I never did understand the weirdness of hybristophilia until Dr Brucato explained it as an attraction to psychopathic leadership qualities, the ''bad boy'' attraction if you like. It now sort of makes sense in a crude primal way , only the strong survive.
I love these uploads. such stellar panel members! I admire them so much. thanks so much, Chris and Karen.
Thanks so much for your time in analyzing these cases, you guys are the reason I'm studying criminal psychology and forensics come fall switching from psyc soc.i wanna figure out the bad guys, catchem with my mind .get into theirs and putem away
Thanks! Love Gary and Ann! Both are so smart and such a great wealth of knowledge!
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Today i am a member for 6 months!!!🐘🐘🐘
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Thank you so much!
Both Ann and Gary seem so mentally healthy. I think about the stories of people breaking down from dealing too much with these topics.
We are very happy people because we help others. That's the secret!
@@drgaryb13love this Thank you!
@@MauiGirlI love this too!
@@drgaryb13 That was a powerful answer!
@@drgaryb13 Watching it again, the police did say he made an initial 3 passes. But conceptually, I wasn’t understanding that he was driving through the apartment parking lot made to approach from the back to see if the girls upstairs had shut their lights off. It is interesting looking at the apartment CCTV.
My favorite guests,!
Wow ⭐️ last night’s show was so insightful and riveting ⭐️ Happy 4th Chris, Karen and Family 🇺🇸
Thank You to Dr. Burgess, Dr. Gary Brucato for doing tonight's outstanding show. Many Thanks to Chris for having both of You on again. I found I gleaned a lot from both Guests this evening. While I am absolutely no expert in the fields of both Learned Experts I did find Myself agreeing with much that was discussed. For example like Dr. Brucato I have always felt for some reason BK did not dispose of the knife. Wishing You All a very Happy July 4th weekend.
we love Ann!
Incredible episode !
Thank you for watching
Great thank you Chris
Thanks so much for this discussion guys. Some really important insight here. : )
He cleaned the sheath prior to entering the crime holding applying pressure as he cleaned it on the clasp re- clasped it cleaned it again the closed clasp protecting the last vestige of DNA from the act of cleaning the sheath.
Huh? What?
Especially ann you are a woman of your time from ours tough intelligent and fearless
I fully enjoy learning from this dream team!! Thank you!! This is the best community to subscribe to by far on RUclips! ❤👍🏼
What’s even crazier is we as a society are told to NOT use our spidey sense lest we be labeled.
Use your spidey senses. It could save your life. Follow your gut instincts.
This is all so fascinating.
On an off note, love the lavender field background❤
Will either of you study any of these people after? Or how do you choose who to study?
This is a great question!
Fantastic panel 🎉🎉 4:54