@fathergascoigne2450 It would still be interesting to watch tho! + 2nd phase fire giant is much stronger than 2nd phase Laurence. The battle of the spiciest Dorito awaits!
@@wildbard4112Lady Marias physical body in reality is likely dead and buried at the old hunters workshop, the Maria we fight is her trapped in a nightmare, take Maria from her boss fight and drop her in a fight with Malenia and lore wise rot won't work. Malenia still slaps though
@@goodhoonter9882 Yeah Marika kind of tanked head on many attacks, even if her dodge AI isn't that good she is a really terrifying boss, specially in her last form, where she deals crazy amunts of damage.
I still remembered the joke I made about this fight, where the two of them mocks each other. Malenia: Is this all you've got anemic b*tch? Maria: Big talk coming from a malnourished wench.
@@NirodimosNeedAKing So what? If one character is weaker than the other then dont pair them together. What you dont do is pair them up then buff the hell out of the one you want to win. Malenia is broken so dont pair people up with her because they'll lose. You clearly see the other character doing almost double the damage with her basic strikes in round 1 and 3, I mean its blatant. Go look for yourself dont take my word for it. In rounds 1 and 3 her double attack is doing about 1600 in round 2 it doesnt even break 1k except once or twice. I mean they're not even trying to hide it. In round 2 Malenia didnt even change forms to win..........thats a huge disparity, but sure go off.
@@picallo1 malenia is broken and 2 health bars and still lost to lady maria. Fist time I fought lady maria i just parried all her moves and won only by partying. And malenia it took me 2 hours to beat her and wasn't that hard her water fowl attack was easy to avoid for me
@@makisprites where? If you're talking about the flower explosion, that deals it's own damage over time while it exists, Maria stopped taking dmg as soon as the flower disappeared
@@potatoe7436 When she won Malenia didn't have any healing; they turned her healing off. Both times she lost, she did have healing; the problem with the times she lost is that Maria just had magical invulnerability on; Malenia lands multiple sword strikes and Maria doesn't take any damage at all; while Malenia takes massive damage even when the swords barely reach her at all.
@@3dmaster205It's because Maria's stats were massively overtuned in the first and final round. Normally, Maria usually has less than half of Malenia's hp. But in this, she has around triple Malenia's hp. And also her damage stats were massively increased aswell. I assume this is to make the fight more fair, because otherwise Malenia would absolutely fondle Maria every round.
Canonically it makes sense Malenia would be much stronger. But as someone who felt personally wronged by Malenia I was definitely rooting for Maria and enjoyed watching her hold her own hehe. Would love to see Sister Friede next! 🖤
The gods in blood borne are more cosmic horror and can do stuff after they die so I'd assume their stronger. Maria may not be as strong as malenia but that didn't stop her from killing worse.
well creator made malenia's hits do alot less damage than maria's so it seemed foregone to me that she would win. I don't think canonically maria would have skin of stone level damage resistance or such a big hp pool compared to malenia though.
in lore wise ? don't know man no one saw Margit paying tears and crying after sticking his cane in the tarnished ass he does that with full smile and even taking pride in doing so in game wise ? Maria is easier than a regular enemy and is completely different in move set to him Morgott if fought in the intended level is like in the top 5 of the hardest fights in game and is million time better and has 0 bit of similarity
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 Lore wise they both have cursed blood that they despise but eventually use it at their last fight; Morgott recanted his blood power, and Maria her Vileblood heritage. Both guard something of great importance to them, for Morgott it is the Erdtree, for Maria it is the Fishing Hamlet. They both have an agile fighting style, utilizing delayed hits mixed with rapid slashes. They both have the after explosions from there attacks too. For difficulty I've fought Morgott at lvl 30 w/ +3 keen nagakiba, and even then I find it is easier than Maria, though only slightly. Maria's lingering attacks can get me often whereas with Morgott I know most of his moves. Yet this might just be that I've improved since I played Bloodborne last.
1:30 is a masterpiece. Malenia appearing behind Maria as Maria attempts an attack, the bells tolling like a cathedral announcing death and Malenia swinging right then.
I know the point is that both wives are fighting so pick your side, but can I just say how pretty the fights were? The blood and the fire and the rot and your smooth camera work, just 🥰Very pretty.
Close? Broski, I counted, Maria has roughly 70k health. She normally has 14k. She also has at least a 2x damage multiplier. This shit is insanely biased.
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 You are right. She deals 700 damage with the charge attacks in the second fight where she's at base stats. She deals 4122 with it in the first fight. So yes, literally 5x damage and 5x health. Insane.
@@Blaqqbeast besides 3 phases, Friede has the most complex moveset and the biggest mobility, she is great both in close and range combat. And stealth ability is icing on cake, if it's possible to make it working properly.
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 Taurus demon has 3 moves. I dont know what version of ds3 you played but I won't be far from truth if I say that Friede has around 30 attacks. She is the most complex FS boss so far. And Blackflame phase is completely different. You just seem like complete ignorant to female Boss fights.
She’s clearly the better fighter. Malenia missed so many opportunities to do the waterfoul dance. If someone was watching this and only AFTER fights Malenia, after like 150 attempts they’d be going “What the fuck?! She didnt use the stupid waterfoul dance THIS many times against Lady Maria! Why does she only use it against me?! Or against the player?!”
@@PWNINSWAGMASTER you know Lady Maria ripostes in bloodborne? the amount of times Malenia got poisebroken and lady maria didn't riposte hurt me personally cause i got FUCKED by that so many times. It gon be just like the player getting good and parrying malenia, after 3 ripostes malenia's toast
@@PWNINSWAGMASTERBetter fighter. Mostly because of that dumb move she spams that’s literally ripped off of Crissaegrim from Symphony of the Night. I always found that attack lazy from FromSoft instead of just, idk, showing her use an actual attack with her weapon. It’s far too anime for me to take it seriously.
@@Aelvir114 Regardless, it’s part of her arsenal and we’re here acting like it’s not. Even without it, each win by Lady Maria was by the skin of her teeth.
Lady Maria's rakuyo in its normal form would have to have 55 bleeding points, when the rakuyo is impaled and covered in blood it would have to have 85 bleeding points, and the rakuyo with blood and fire would be hemofire like the mohg trident and with 100 bleeding points
Nah, it shouldn't have bleed in base form. The weapons entire point is that Lady Maria preferred to use her dexterity instead of her bloodtinge, and she only utilizes her blood powers in the bossfight.
@@ColdNorth0628 After it gets the blood coating yes. Before that (phase 1) it's just a regular weapon. For reference in bloodborne the chikage (basically rivers) does rapid poison build up. Raykuyo (the name of Maria's weapon) does not.
@@prins-henrik1530 Yes but in Elden Ring's universe Katana's have an innate bleed stat. Its porting Maria to Elden Ring. If it were a third party engine or even in Bloodborne's universe, Id agree with you wholeheartedly.
@@RustedBuddy5192 Granted, your point does male sense, bosses are a little different. Malenia herself doesn't do bleed buildup with her attacks, despite her weapon inflicting bleed when we get it. Additionally bosses don't have attacks with split damage, for example Tree sentinel doesn't do holy damage with his halberd.
Is the lady maria used her NG+7 version or just a health buff? cause that would explain her dmg I've heard BB bosses in NG+7 can casually one shot the player.
She's got a 5x damage multiplier from what I can tell, and around 70k health, meaning probably 5x health (14k is her normal health) and 5x damage multi. She was also given infinite poise and deals like 40-80 stance damage a hit, stunlocking Malenia with every 1-2 attacks. Obviously a dude called ''Garden of Eyes'' is going to be insanely biased towards Bloodborne.
@@TheStraightestWhitestdid you just want him to do the round 2 fight over and over again? Bloodborne just has smaller numbers overall so of course he had to buff Lady Maria.
@@zorinzorinzorin5243 He also had to go out of his way and make Maria break Malenia's stance at almost every hit, Malenia got on her knees so many times that it wasn't funny anymore.
@@zorinzorinzorin5243maybe buff maria so she has equal health and attack damage as malenia, but with her own moveset, if bloodborne numbers are lower. But dont make her health and damage more than malenia’s. In the first place, a disparity in these numbers is why you want maria buffed. Only then the disparity is in favor of malenia but now in favor of maria, but the latter is no more acceptable than the former
the multiplier are tuned for the closest fight possible. likely he's simulated this fight like 60 times and these are the closest matches with the multipliers. besides ER has alot bigger numbers than the previous games. Margit has 4174 hp, cleric beast 3015, where as asylum demon has only 825
Come on... We know very well that Malenia is very strong. It's ultra obvious that she would destroy it to Maria...As you saw from the 2nd round. However the fight was epic.
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 It wasn't for you. I found it an epic battle, not exceptional or legendary, but epic, it fits. I remind you that despite the "huge buff" given to Lady Maria, she made it "barely" to win, I repeat, "barely". Otherwise we would have seen what's in the 2nd round, that is Malenia who crushes it without problems.
Malenia was very overpowered gameplay wise. Lore wise it should be a close fight . The game designers made elden ring have more damage and a higher level cap so they had to give the bosses more hp . Wouldn't be very exciting if they didn't buff her because elden rings bosses are meant to be so ultra buffed . But yeah I Mean lore wise both of them are God like so it makes sense . Maria is a corpse when we fight her so rot wouldn't do anything anyways.
Melenia is not nerfed, Maria is buffed. He showed the original stats fight, but I like the buffed one better because it's 1 sided otherwise. Though I get that the whole idea is 'what boss would win, as is.' The bosses that could beat her wouldn't have as great a video as this.
@@fathergascoigne2450 they don't, you can survive one hit from almost every boss in those games even at sl1/bl4 with sub par armor. try doing that in er, you'd end up having to stack 50 different buffs and it still seems impossible. both the player and the enemies are glass canons in er unless u really go for the heavier armor sets n atleast a dragoncrest greatshield tali.
Finally garden of eyes managed to bring a boss from another "From" game into Elden Ring. Well done Garden👍🏻. In this video it is clear that you wanted to give the victory to Lady Maria. In the 2 round Whit original stats she couldn't even get her into the 2 phase, and another obvious detail, she didn't get the Rot. As far as it is obvious, Malena destroy it.
Malenia: "I am Malenia, Blade of Miquella, and I have never known defeat." Maria: "You girl, are insufferable. Only an honest death will cure you now." And just like that, I lost NNN.
I like how heavily handicapped Malenia has to be for Maria to even stand a chance. - Rot immunity - Boosted stats Maria round 1/last - No HP back on hits for round 2 You should have just opened up with original stats at least + life steal to really show how far apart they are.
@@theperiodofpringel7498 “carefully crafted” can get taken from 100 to zero in four ripostes on a good build. Maria isn’t bad but she’s legit just female Gwyn to me her weakness is too glaring/free.
@@waltersullivan2727 good point but its the same for malenia and with the various way to break eldenring , so lets say its your first play though of both games in eldenring the chance you have a broken build that can defeat her with low effort is high, but in bloodborne you cant block maria you have to learn parry timing and still have a risk of a quick death and have to be focused ,regardless im just mad that bloodborne is kinda being forgotten and imo the bosses are better whilst eldenrings are far more cinematic
@@leman7648 Or how about Gwyn instead of Artorias, and Vendrick instead of Fume Knight. And also add Old King Allant from Demon Souls. That way, it can be a fight between the strongest old men of Soulsborne.
Maria has agility and a Bloodspill / Hemorrhage buff and a debilitizing moves with a greater than average speed. She also has several dash attacks. Malenia on the other hand, has blitzing speed, heals everytime she manages to land a succesfull hit, and has a nuke which is the size of the Fire Giant's head. Has 2 devastating abilities
also, the RNG is Malenia's biggest friend in any fights. in my first playthrough I took her down in lesser than 30 tries. in NG+7 she's absolutely bullshit using her Waterfowl Dance relentlessly in 2nd phase even though I'm not dealing any damage to her just yet lmao.
Lol Maria's poise and, more specifically, poise damage seem to be a bit....."Performance Enhancing Drug-ish" if you know what i mean. Wonder how many times Malenia won before Maria decided to hit the gym and pump some slide bar.
@@poweredbythemakyostar8896 yeah man, like there’s multiple points she deals like 3000+ damage in one attack. There’s no point, not even NG+7 where lady Maria one shot me. Seems iffy….like they buffed her or something. But what do I know 🤷🏻♂️
Damage scaling in bloodborne is so low in comparison to elden ring that if it went unchanged there'd be no way. Refer to round 2. That's how bloodbornes stats scaled
Well, he buffed Maria a lot, she was given 4x hp and 5x ap and immunity to rot to make a fair match, he over tuned Maria. Malenia is canonically way more stronger than Maria, she's a demi god and software said she's the hardest boss they created. If he didn't buff Maria there would be no fight, Malenia would have won easily.
@@spec1512Your cry baby comment is so misplaced that you missed he was talking about facing Maria and the visuals. Not the performance displayed here. 😂
Though this may not be the most canonical ending to a fight as such, I'd argue this showcases the strengths of the two. Melania as a strong demigod focused on dexterity and evasiveness. She engages with a flurry of attacks at a time, and most human foes would not be able to withstand such force. Hence Rahdan fought her to a stalemate due to his endurable nature. Maria, however, is sort of weak and frail in comparison. Her targets were mostly beasts. A fight that should be ended in seconds because they may not be as fast/strong/agile as a beast. We see that her attacks focus on dealing MASSIVE poise damage. Staggering Melania multiple times. That's her Huntress style, to knock them down, and rip their guts out. Anyway that was my over analyzation. Honestly would be a little hard to be sure of who would have came out on top, a demi-god that knows battles aplenty? Or a vile-blood that have hunted beast perhaps far stronger/bigger/faster than she. Flowing water v.s. Quickening evasion. Booming Scarlet Rot v.s. Flaming Vile Blood Yet, it seems... Dexterity v.s. Skill Failure v.s. Failure Grief v.s. Grief So different, so similar Both amazing characters
their fight were so epic and cinematic! both strong and light as a feather! both had so many cool and badass moments! i wonder how a battle royale of all the badass ladies from all souls games reunited would look like: Priscilla and/or Gwyndolin (yes, he's a waifu too) for ds1, friede for ds3, maria for bloodborne, malenia for elden ring. demon souls, sekiro, and ds2 are the ones i am the less familiar with about badass ladies (yet i guess nashandra could count among the waifus in some ways xD)
Why didn't you do any matches where they just fought as they actually were ,at original stats? First and third were "Maria's massively boosted, Malenia's unchanged" (e.g. she definitely doesn't do 4,000+ damage with a two-hit combo like she does at 3:13) and the second was "Maria's the same but Malenia's nerfed."
@@pokimanefartcompilation she has two types of poison resistance and one of the poisons is like scarlet rot. scarlet rot also doesn't work on actual undead. which Maria is literally a corpse. so yeah it shouldn't work on her technically.
@@vixenxia2475Rot doesn’t particularly care if it’s a corpse or not. You can rot skeletons and Deathbirds in Elden Ring just fine (plus the giant rotting skulls in Caelid are covered in it). Rot for the most part can’t affect contraptions/mechanical enemies like the Giant Golems or the marionettes. After all, anything that’s “organic” will be at the mercy of the rot.
I'm so fuckin confused. We can port Bloodborne bosses into Elden Ring?!? How does that even work and has someone ported every boss so that way we can fight them around this world??? If there's a way to port every souls boss into Elden Ring that would be incredible.
I think this really goes to show how damn good Maria is. Bloodborne is almost 10 years old and she still kicks so much ass. My favourite soulsborne character EVER!
Well he had to give her some serious advantages to make it fair. For some reason she got Rot Immunity, did insane Poise damage, and had both health and damage buffed by over ×4 each at least.
@@omnipresentl1316 She wasn't immune to rot..her health is just high, it damaged her. Also in my experience, Melenia is just squishy, even compared to her.
@@MrHakubi Malenia's rot deals dmg based on % of health, so yes, he clearly made Maria immune to it or else she would have gotten completely annihilated after Malenia's phase transition.
@@user-qd5sz1bo1p In what way did your comment have anything to do with mine? I was pointing out the fact that Maria was clearly modified to be unaffected by scarlet rot; I didn't even refer to scaling or Maria's damage at all.
i know you guys buffed maria a lot so that it's a close fun fight but come on, that was a bit too much. also the fact that Malenia gets staggered for like 10 secs every time she gets hit and still almost wins shows how badass this woman is, jeez .-.
Melania has a really easy stagger she can be staggers by even some simple attacks I tested it I literally tons of weapons against her she can be staggered easily
Maria is a joke compared to Malenia. If i remember i either first tried or second tried maria. Malenia was a gauntlet that truly tested my patience, and i dont rage, but i got close lmao several several hours of figuring it out.
Will other dark souls 3 bosses make it? It would be really awesome to see radagon fight either soul of cinder or Gehrman or have Gundyr a fistfight with Godfrey or have moonlight presence fight the elden beast or midir.
@@randyneves9701Difficulty is fine as long as it's fair. While waterfowl dance is bs it's still manageable. What however isn't fair is that she regains health with every hit now when you combine THIS with waterfowl it's borderline absurd. Mind you I still beat her but I'm not gonna fight her alone ever again. Difficulty for the sake of difficulty is not good game design imo
@amanwithnoplan7648 Bloodborne doesn't have Poise for Hunters thats the reason for the Gun parry system so people can counter attack against humanoid enemies
Stance Break in Bloodborne Works different... To stance Break in Blood you need to gun shot at exact time an enemy attacks or a charged attack(Blue Glow) behind the enemy.. in ER the stance break happens for a couple of reasons, mostly heavy attacks and jump attacks. Quite similar to sekiro stance breaking
Well, he buffed Maria a lot, she was given 4x hp and 5x ap and immunity to rot to make a fair match, he over tuned Maria. Malenia is canonically way more stronger than Maria, she's a demi god and software said she's the hardest boss they created. If he didn't buff Maria there would be no fight, Malenia would have won easily.
Леди Мария победила 2 раза потому что на нее не влияет красная гниль, на самом деле "алая эония" очень сильная атака, но не в этом бою. И еще одна причина - Маления использует "водный танец" очень редко. В реальном игровом процессе она может сделать эту атаку несколько раз и восполнить очень много здоровья. Ну и билд на кровотечение - самый верный способ победить Малению.
Lol this Maria is ultra buffed with the hp of Hercules, the damage Superman, and rot and grab immunity. I do think she needs so buffs to balance out the fight but... that's a lot of stats
Here you can already see who will come out, this is Malenia, she has two strips of life, a freaking combo, she always heals from her blows, so Lady Maria unfortunately loses right away😢
Hey since you are able to do this would it be possible to bring all the bosses from the souls series and have them go against the strongest boss out of all of the series
Nah, she has a shit ton of Rot Resistance, like 1.5k On my Malenia cosplay run she just tanked it without succumbing to Rot. When I used it while the other bosses they were afflicted. Wondered why she didn't and yea, 1.5k resistance.
they had to give maria rot immunity otherwise her ass would be dead 10 seconds into phase 2. it’s still obvious this was biased towards maria winning though, apparently her HP and damage have a MASSIVE buff, something like 5x the original amount
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.. like some staggers are a bit much. And there's no scarlet rot, which kinda defeats the second phase. Like, I get the need for more health, but everything else it feels kinda one sided?
5x, easily. She has 14k at base. Here I counted 70+k, meaning 5x at a minimum. And don't forget the 5x damage multiplier. Compare the damage of her big attacks in the first fight, to the second fight. The charging sweep deals around 700 damage in the second fight, where she has normal stats. In the first fight, that same attack at one point deals 4122 damage, meaning literally 5x damage. So Maria was given 5x health and damage and infinite poise and immunity to Rot, and still barely won.
Pretty diappointing seeing how this fight was disgustingly put in Maria's favor with faaaaar higher damage per hit than Malenia's and being immune to rot. I think it would have been more fair to equal the damage they do compared to their respective versions in each game, take away the rot immunity and giving Maria the parry efect with her gun
In game Maria doesn't actually gun parry I think. It's only a very specific phase 3 spin move that for some reason opens you up for a visceral (riposte).
@@anomaly_jackie Interesting. When I was trying to get parried that way to see I'd it was even possible I had no luck. If you find a video of it would you mind sending it to me?
Malenia can be stunned quite easily, but Maria cannot. It says everything. (And plus the grab from Malenia just doesn’t work on Maria, which, by the way, does a lot of damage.)
@@revenant2160 Malenia has some attacks during which her poise increases and she cannot be stunned. But other attacks are easily interrupted and she can be stunned for a critical hit, which is what happens throughout the video.
@@EfimBroStudio yes which is bullshit since no boss does that except for some when phase changing. It’s not as if it’s just big attacks such as the waterfowl or scarlet aownia, it’s like half of them. It’s simply not fair for players or other boss match ups especially when they are small or humanoid and can stagger easily
@@revenant2160 You, as a player, also have many skills that increase your poise and keep you from being knocked down. So I don't think it's unfair, especially for a character who is positioned as "not knowing defeat".
@@revenant2160 but you have a couple of things she doesn't. She doesn't have invincibility frames or a 100 percent blocking shield, so every hit you land will do damage. Also you are smarter, you see how bosses simply face tank most hits. That's not a good strategy.
what's the OST that plays at the second fight at 4:15? Is it an original composition from the modder? Either way I would like to hear more of it, if anyone knows it or has a link I would be glad lol
It makes sense that at their peak of power Maria narrowly prevails- she’s a hunter, they’re kind of designed to kill things bigger and scarier than they are.
Давайте мы просто все скажем "спасибо" Леди Марии, за то что она повлияла на создание многих других боссов (сестра Фриде яркий пример). Даже у Малении есть похожий захват рукой как у Леди Марии
Damn that was so cool to watch ! Especially Lady Maria with her wide range blood and fire attacks. And she won !! Surprised how strong she can be, and beat two HP bars of Malenia who is also healing. Crazy !
Malenia had a lot of disadvantages in this fight like her grab attack that basically does one shot didn't work, and the damage it does is ridiculous compared to Lady Maria, still, in both fights where he lost he was nothing to win even though Lady Maria was immune to Scarlet Rot, a true monster.
I see a lot of people talking about the Malenia nerfs/Maria buffs and honestly: Malenia deserves it. She's an annoyingly unfair boss to put against any AI, because she almost feels custom built to win any EvE battle: - She has special hyper armour mechanics making her unstaggerable on key attacks (barring frost procs, which very few bosses do). This walls stagger bosses from cutting her attacks short, basically invalidating them because her stagger animation is so short they rarely get to punish even if she is staggered between moves. - She falls in the category of "agile boss", so she can dodge a decent number of hits and chase down other bosses who try to do the same thing. Combine this with the aforementioned cheesy hyper armour and you can be relatively certain her hits will almost always land while the opponent struggles to catch her and gets flinched out of every trade. - She has a whole second healthbar, which puts the vast majority of bosses at a massive disadvantage and healthgates her against strong attackers that could overwhelm traditional transformations or score a little extra damage before cutscene transformations. I'd love to see how many bosses she ACTUALLY beats if you split her up into two bosses like people sometimes do with Elden Beast and Radagon. - She has stupid amounts of lifesteal paired with relentless attacks. Let's be real - EvE battles are often slugfests, with even extremely agile bosses taking a lot of hits. Her healthsteal is WAY stronger than it is in PvE, to the point of rendering most matchups moot. I'm always glad to see it removed, but I wouldn't mind seeing it just nerfed for EvE fights to like, 33% of its current value. - Waterfowl Dance in both phases acts as a full heal and guranteed health bar shred that goes off at least once per battle in any ordinary fight, probably twice or more (and obviously it's one of her super special armour moves, so forget it being countered by the opponents big moves). - Even if they get past first stage they're basically dead due to her second I win button: Scarlet Aonia. Heck, there's so much wrong with this in EVE that it deserves its OWN list, but due to youtube formatting restrictions I'll just list them off normally: She's guranteed to teleport to a set location and use this at the start of second stage. Very few AI enemies are capable of even PARTIALLY dodging it, never mind completely avoiding it - even super aggressive AI seem to hang back a little due to how high she hovers, and then charge in immediately after she lands. Even a grazing hit will probably proc rot because it has massive buildup, and a single rot proc will almost always decide the outcome of any relatively even fight due to the insane damage it deals to bosses. On top of this the damage from the attack itself is not insignificant. The height she gains also makes the move super safe, and the massive stagger and knockback tends to make the long recovery time largely redundant, as a boss only gets 1-2 good hits in exchange for losing most of their own healthbar to the damage field and subsequent rot - and that's assuming they have much of a healthbar left at all after dealing with the health steal of her first form drawing out the fight far longer than she has any right to. It's a shame, because her base moveset is actually cool and I want to like her, but I just can't. It feels bad to even cheer for her because everything that gives her an edge is so cheap. She's not winning because her abilities are "powerful", she's winning because her abilities break every interaction in EvE. She feels like something I would have designed when I was twelve and just wanted my super cool OC to beat all the other characters. Stripping away at least a few of her features makes her seem more like an actual boss and less like a foregone conclusion that exists just to irritate you in every EvE compilation.
If the question is who's canonically stronger it probably goes to malenia as she's the daughter of a god, is a candidate to be a god, and is a god While maria as of the lore in the wiki Is just maria y'know
I mean malenia got a 4x hp buff by design so of course. No boss in any souls game has anywhere close to as much hp as malenia . Elden ring bosses got buffed because of spirit ashes of course.
@@123NERDZ lol Just in this game there are many bosses that have more hp Edit: also, Malenia doesn't get 4x the hp by regen if that's what you mean, she barely restores half over the course of the fight
@@123NERDZ she literally gets revived in the fight as she ascends, Malenia herself has 18k hp, which is less than Godfrey and MANY other bosses in the game, then gets revived completely, total of 34k hp with very poor defenses. Placidusax has 27k with insane defenses, Fire giant same case but he has 45k hp, Rykard has a total of 90k hp btw
5x, easily. She has 14k at base. Here I counted 70+k, meaning 5x at a minimum. And don't forget the 4x damage multiplier. Compare the damage of her big attacks in the first fight, to the second fight. The charging sweep deals around 700 damage in the second fight, where she has normal stats. In the first fight, it deals 4122 damage, meaning literally 5x damage. So Maria was given 5x health and damage and infinite poise and immunity to Rot, and still barely won.
Did not know my appreciation of Lady Maria could possibly het higher. This is insane. She's a remarkable hunter. Like... give her a flat surface and she'll spin the whole God. She's also very respectful: she patiently waited for Malenia to recover after a strong hit (yeah, I know Maria is just slow because she's from an older game, but let me have this, ok? Let me believe it's because of her personality). Makes me feel ashamed because of how poorly I did with Malenia.
The Maria in this video had 5x on everything. Nearly 70k health and up to 4k in a single hit. Any boss would have been shredded by this version. The only realistic depiction was the second battle, with original stats. Even though Malenia didn't have life steal, Maria still couldn't get her much below half hp
Honestly I ADORE it when these fights are super close! And what's more is that I love how they both have such similar moves and fighting styles! It's rare to see Boss battles where both actually feel matched
@@s8theninjawarrior916 And Maria was buffed still in round 2. She had insane poise damage. Meanwhile Malenia was nerfed massively as her healing was taken away. And she still curbed using only 50% of her meager first phase.
I would say Maria wins, if Malenia didn't have Health Drain, but if Maria's phase shifts can deal enough damage and force Malenia into second phase, then Maria uses her third phase shift, then that is the only way i see Maria winning without HP buffs. I really want Maria to win because I think her design is cooler, but i know Malenia to be a MENACE in her own game as well. 99% chance Malenia sweeps, but there is always that Perfect setup that Maria can use, If she can tank the phase 2 long enough to one-shot her. Malenia doesn't have too much health, she's got about 50~60k for both phases combined. (more of it is in her first phase). Post Stream: Maria wins when their stats are even, but we saw the gap between their respective normal game stats, that was not even at all lol. all things considered it was still a really close fight outside of the free round for Malenia lol.I'm really glad they used the peak stats instead of their normal game stats, it goes to show how much stronger Bloodbornes' NG+ hits then Elden Rings. I don't like how they nerfed Marias' Phase attacks, but i'm willing to let it slide seeing how even they turned out to be. Mid Comment War: You people need to chill down there, I'm not upset that Malenia won, I'm suprised Maria won at all. You people didn't even read my comment, you skimmed it. And some of you didn't even read the text on the video itself. Of course I have no actual Idea if they are NG+7 or not, do you honestly think I'm 100% sure about their stats. I see "Peak Stats" and assume NG+7. I was guessing with these comments by simply observing how it was playing out. Even stats means that they were optomized to be an equal fight, that's what this channel does, they make the fight as even as possible and watches how it plays out. There is 0 reason to get Salty over a fictional fight between two Titans of Power. Get a life you 30-40 year old men that have nothing better to do than get an Ego boost off of the first comment you see that has an opinion you don't agree with. Also, I find it hilarious you guys liked your own comments and even one of mine. Pick up a book and try not to skim through it, and pick up a hobby that isn't Ego Boosting. You lifeless Brick Walls. Have a nice rest of your day.
agreed, but i watchd again and i wasn't sure if they nerfed the phase attacks or if malenia just got out of range? That being said it felt like that 2nd fight it was forsure nerfed. Only major nerf i could tell from malenia's side was the fact that maria never got rotted even after 2 flowers, and the minior setback of no grabs
Lol Maria literally got 3x or 4x hp buff and you say its equal scaling? And even complain about Maria being nerfed???? 😂😂😂 Malenia has to do 10 attacks to do as much damage as 1 attack from Maria and she still got Maria to 1 hp, she's WAYYYY superior to Maria
@@s8theninjawarrior916 Dude chill, it's NG+7 scaled. and if it's not, they still have the same Hp and Damage scaling, Maria got more hits in, keeping her health higher than Malenia's
@@s8theninjawarrior916 You're just salty, both even rounds went to Maria. I was suprised to see Maria win at all. Until i remembered Malenia's smaller health pool.(I say smaller because i fought them both at NG+7 in their respective games)
I think as she was fighting a much small character Malenia should’ve been able to use her pick and stab ability. I noticed if she had this regular ability she would’ve won.
If they gave that to Malenia then Maria should've been able to parry and riposte too. And let's be honest if she was Malenia would've been dead a long time ago with how much she was staggered alone.
I wonder how the fights would've gone if Maris could've used her visceral attacks; her gun was able to get a lot of staggers, so the visceral damage would've been no joke. I guess that mechanic couldn't be patched into ER.
The lore that fits together here is also kinda bonkers, considering we've fought Melania at her absolute peak, but we've never even HEARD of Maria's maximum potential. Only that she was able to rightly put all the other First Hunters on their asses SIMOULTANIOUSLY and with relative ease. It's the fragments of her will and already long-dead corpse that is holding back a literal outer god's wrath from several layers down in a dreamworld. Maria is a scary concept for a boss from lore perspective.
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Were missing Freda from dark souls for The TRUE ULTIMATE WAIFU WAR
@@Zouldinebrietas is true waifu only if you have enough insight you will see her true beauty
Gardeeeen! It’s finally possible! Laurence vs the fire giant! Who’s the spiciest hot Dorito!
@@peterpershin2509 Lawrence has more fire resistance also his combos do more damage and is much more faster so Lawrence will take the win
@fathergascoigne2450 It would still be interesting to watch tho! + 2nd phase fire giant is much stronger than 2nd phase Laurence. The battle of the spiciest Dorito awaits!
Lady Maria gets 100% rot resistance because she already decomposed
First of all she's not decomposed, secondly decomposition does not stop rot
nah both shit
@@wildbard4112 (this is not a serious comment)
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 Malenia owns Radahn and Maria owns Gehrman. Hope this helps!
@@wildbard4112Lady Marias physical body in reality is likely dead and buried at the old hunters workshop, the Maria we fight is her trapped in a nightmare, take Maria from her boss fight and drop her in a fight with Malenia and lore wise rot won't work. Malenia still slaps though
Malenia’s dodges were actually pretty effective against Maria, considering they’re from different games I’m impressed 😂
Really shows how much the tracking has improved in newer fromsoft games
Only cause maria didn't dage bearly at all
@@goodhoonter9882 Yeah Marika kind of tanked head on many attacks, even if her dodge AI isn't that good she is a really terrifying boss, specially in her last form, where she deals crazy amunts of damage.
Not really impressive when she’s jumping around like a Jack rabbit the whole time no shit she’s going to dodge most attacks
My heart goes to Lady Maria! She's one of Miyazaki's precious gems for sure.
I still remembered the joke I made about this fight, where the two of them mocks each other.
Malenia: Is this all you've got anemic b*tch?
Maria: Big talk coming from a malnourished wench.
Also this channels apparently as they buffed the hell out of her for the 1st and 3rd rounds.
@@picallo1yeah OK like malenia doesn't have 2 health bars 🤡
@@NirodimosNeedAKing So what? If one character is weaker than the other then dont pair them together. What you dont do is pair them up then buff the hell out of the one you want to win. Malenia is broken so dont pair people up with her because they'll lose. You clearly see the other character doing almost double the damage with her basic strikes in round 1 and 3, I mean its blatant. Go look for yourself dont take my word for it. In rounds 1 and 3 her double attack is doing about 1600 in round 2 it doesnt even break 1k except once or twice. I mean they're not even trying to hide it. In round 2 Malenia didnt even change forms to win..........thats a huge disparity, but sure go off.
@@picallo1 malenia is broken and 2 health bars and still lost to lady maria. Fist time I fought lady maria i just parried all her moves and won only by partying. And malenia it took me 2 hours to beat her and wasn't that hard her water fowl attack was easy to avoid for me
Imagine if Maria's attacks actually dealt bleed damage
would be the quickest fight😂😂
Imagine if Malenia could actually apply rot to Maria
@@CBeavrShe did though
@@makisprites where? If you're talking about the flower explosion, that deals it's own damage over time while it exists, Maria stopped taking dmg as soon as the flower disappeared
@@CBeavr ah, saw it ticking down whenever she did the flower and thought it was rot. Fair enough.
1:30 Maria appearing behind Malenia but she still manages to cut her with a 180 turn is such a flex.
Damn this looks like a beautiful choreography 🔥😂
Beautiful
Absolute Anime Moment. These games are amazing.
She got the ultrainstinct
Goes to show the bullshit tracking
5:03 Absolutely love this cinematic shot between them before Maria gets destroyed lol
sometimes the AI gives some great cinematic shots worthy of the best film directors
They should take away Malenia's healing. That's just oure hax.
@@potatoe7436 When she won Malenia didn't have any healing; they turned her healing off. Both times she lost, she did have healing; the problem with the times she lost is that Maria just had magical invulnerability on; Malenia lands multiple sword strikes and Maria doesn't take any damage at all; while Malenia takes massive damage even when the swords barely reach her at all.
@@3dmaster205It's because Maria's stats were massively overtuned in the first and final round.
Normally, Maria usually has less than half of Malenia's hp.
But in this, she has around triple Malenia's hp.
And also her damage stats were massively increased aswell.
I assume this is to make the fight more fair, because otherwise Malenia would absolutely fondle Maria every round.
@@potatoe7436 but why though...thats what gives her an edge. its part of the fight. it is what it is. maria needs to just...git gud
Sister Fride vs Lady Maria vs Malenia
One of the greatest bosses of all time
One of the greatest lady's in F.S games or in gaming history
@@GravitonLance Weaken? When I fought her, I didn't feel that she was weak. What are you talking about?
@@GravitonLance I see....But if there's no Boss vs Boss, she's still powerful
@@PrimalElfwhat are you even arguing?? No one said Malenia was weak😂they said she would have to be weakened
Three*
Three of the greatest
@@GravitonLanceOf course, because all these bosses got insane HP
Canonically it makes sense Malenia would be much stronger. But as someone who felt personally wronged by Malenia I was definitely rooting for Maria and enjoyed watching her hold her own hehe. Would love to see Sister Friede next! 🖤
Malenia is a demi God, Maria killed an outer God of the Sea. There's no way she's weaker, assuming that Gods in both games are equally strong.
The gods in blood borne are more cosmic horror and can do stuff after they die so I'd assume their stronger. Maria may not be as strong as malenia but that didn't stop her from killing worse.
@@Def4ult33Maria didn't kill Kos
@@Def4ult33they found kos dead bozo
well creator made malenia's hits do alot less damage than maria's so it seemed foregone to me that she would win. I don't think canonically maria would have skin of stone level damage resistance or such a big hp pool compared to malenia though.
This was insanely epic! Please more Maria battles!
I kinda want to see Maria vs Morgott, as they seem very similar in a lot of ways, both in lore and fighting style
in lore wise ?
don't know man
no one saw Margit paying tears and crying after sticking his cane in the tarnished ass
he does that with full smile and even taking pride in doing so
in game wise ?
Maria is easier than a regular enemy and is completely different in move set to him
Morgott if fought in the intended level is like in the top 5 of the hardest fights in game and is million time better and has 0 bit of similarity
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 Lore wise they both have cursed blood that they despise but eventually use it at their last fight; Morgott recanted his blood power, and Maria her Vileblood heritage. Both guard something of great importance to them, for Morgott it is the Erdtree, for Maria it is the Fishing Hamlet.
They both have an agile fighting style, utilizing delayed hits mixed with rapid slashes. They both have the after explosions from there attacks too.
For difficulty I've fought Morgott at lvl 30 w/ +3 keen nagakiba, and even then I find it is easier than Maria, though only slightly. Maria's lingering attacks can get me often whereas with Morgott I know most of his moves.
Yet this might just be that I've improved since I played Bloodborne last.
Morgott'd lore is more sadder I think
Lore??? Tf is wrong with you?
morgotts 2nd phase ost really reminds me of marias 3rd phase
1:30 is a masterpiece. Malenia appearing behind Maria as Maria attempts an attack, the bells tolling like a cathedral announcing death and Malenia swinging right then.
Tell me you like lady Maria without telling me you like lady Maria
I would prefer maria over Malenia, Malenia is trash
I like the Doll
I know the point is that both wives are fighting so pick your side, but can I just say how pretty the fights were? The blood and the fire and the rot and your smooth camera work, just 🥰Very pretty.
man that was a cancer to read
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 souls fans talking about women in a normal way challenge(impossible)
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 Suffer about it, then. :)
Agreed, very cinematic fight.
@@Mx_Rae suffer ?
you mean laugh !
This straight up had me cheering like it was a boxing match. Really cool fight.
Oh wow this fight is so close. Maria's stagger is quite insane though.
it is very much overturned
the original Maria is cake easier than a regular enemy
Close? Broski, I counted, Maria has roughly 70k health. She normally has 14k. She also has at least a 2x damage multiplier. This shit is insanely biased.
@@TheStraightestWhitest are you sure it is 2x ?
it is literally x5
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 You are right. She deals 700 damage with the charge attacks in the second fight where she's at base stats. She deals 4122 with it in the first fight. So yes, literally 5x damage and 5x health. Insane.
@@TheStraightestWhitestare you sure it's 5x it's 10x maria is weak
Meanwhile Friede is just watching from afar like:
"Am I a joke to you?
@@Blaqqbeast besides 3 phases, Friede has the most complex moveset and the biggest mobility, she is great both in close and range combat. And stealth ability is icing on cake, if it's possible to make it working properly.
@@suchar7175 she has like 3 moves and reskinned phase
where's complex in the subject ?
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 Taurus demon has 3 moves. I dont know what version of ds3 you played but I won't be far from truth if I say that Friede has around 30 attacks. She is the most complex FS boss so far. And Blackflame phase is completely different. You just seem like complete ignorant to female Boss fights.
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735 It's alright we don't expect someone with room temperature IQ to understand such basic concepts
@@suchar7175 she also dodges a _lot_ they would probably only hit her like 2 or 3 times before she dodges away.
I love how in the first and third matches, Maria BARELY scores a victory. The second round shows why. Malenia is a goddamn beast.
She’s clearly the better fighter. Malenia missed so many opportunities to do the waterfoul dance. If someone was watching this and only AFTER fights Malenia, after like 150 attempts they’d be going “What the fuck?! She didnt use the stupid waterfoul dance THIS many times against Lady Maria! Why does she only use it against me?! Or against the player?!”
@@PWNINSWAGMASTER you know Lady Maria ripostes in bloodborne? the amount of times Malenia got poisebroken and lady maria didn't riposte hurt me personally cause i got FUCKED by that so many times. It gon be just like the player getting good and parrying malenia, after 3 ripostes malenia's toast
@@PWNINSWAGMASTERlike when your little brother plays and he doesn't get the waterfowl dance ONCE.
He then dies to rot and grab attacks however.
@@PWNINSWAGMASTERBetter fighter. Mostly because of that dumb move she spams that’s literally ripped off of Crissaegrim from Symphony of the Night. I always found that attack lazy from FromSoft instead of just, idk, showing her use an actual attack with her weapon. It’s far too anime for me to take it seriously.
@@Aelvir114 Regardless, it’s part of her arsenal and we’re here acting like it’s not. Even without it, each win by Lady Maria was by the skin of her teeth.
Lady Maria's rakuyo in its normal form would have to have 55 bleeding points, when the rakuyo is impaled and covered in blood it would have to have 85 bleeding points, and the rakuyo with blood and fire would be hemofire like the mohg trident and with 100 bleeding points
Nah, it shouldn't have bleed in base form. The weapons entire point is that Lady Maria preferred to use her dexterity instead of her bloodtinge, and she only utilizes her blood powers in the bossfight.
@@prins-henrik1530 by elden ring logic. It would cause bleed. It acts way too similar to rivers.
@@ColdNorth0628 After it gets the blood coating yes. Before that (phase 1) it's just a regular weapon. For reference in bloodborne the chikage (basically rivers) does rapid poison build up. Raykuyo (the name of Maria's weapon) does not.
@@prins-henrik1530 Yes but in Elden Ring's universe Katana's have an innate bleed stat. Its porting Maria to Elden Ring. If it were a third party engine or even in Bloodborne's universe, Id agree with you wholeheartedly.
@@RustedBuddy5192 Granted, your point does male sense, bosses are a little different. Malenia herself doesn't do bleed buildup with her attacks, despite her weapon inflicting bleed when we get it. Additionally bosses don't have attacks with split damage, for example Tree sentinel doesn't do holy damage with his halberd.
Y'know the boss is well made when the A.I could create a great fight scene on their own
Is the lady maria used her NG+7 version or just a health buff? cause that would explain her dmg I've heard BB bosses in NG+7 can casually one shot the player.
She's got a 5x damage multiplier from what I can tell, and around 70k health, meaning probably 5x health (14k is her normal health) and 5x damage multi. She was also given infinite poise and deals like 40-80 stance damage a hit, stunlocking Malenia with every 1-2 attacks. Obviously a dude called ''Garden of Eyes'' is going to be insanely biased towards Bloodborne.
@@TheStraightestWhitestdid you just want him to do the round 2 fight over and over again? Bloodborne just has smaller numbers overall so of course he had to buff Lady Maria.
@@zorinzorinzorin5243 He also had to go out of his way and make Maria break Malenia's stance at almost every hit, Malenia got on her knees so many times that it wasn't funny anymore.
@@zorinzorinzorin5243maybe buff maria so she has equal health and attack damage as malenia, but with her own moveset, if bloodborne numbers are lower. But dont make her health and damage more than malenia’s. In the first place, a disparity in these numbers is why you want maria buffed. Only then the disparity is in favor of malenia but now in favor of maria, but the latter is no more acceptable than the former
the multiplier are tuned for the closest fight possible. likely he's simulated this fight like 60 times and these are the closest matches with the multipliers.
besides ER has alot bigger numbers than the previous games. Margit has 4174 hp, cleric beast 3015, where as asylum demon has only 825
08:00
I'm jealous of Maria
Casualty tank Scarlet Aoenia and Clones of Rot and still doesn't get rot
Come on... We know very well that Malenia is very strong.
It's ultra obvious that she would destroy it to Maria...As you saw from the 2nd round.
However the fight was epic.
@@pixelgearsita nothing was
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735
It wasn't for you.
I found it an epic battle, not exceptional or legendary, but epic, it fits.
I remind you that despite the "huge buff" given to Lady Maria, she made it "barely" to win, I repeat, "barely".
Otherwise we would have seen what's in the 2nd round, that is Malenia who crushes it without problems.
Malenia was very overpowered gameplay wise.
Lore wise it should be a close fight .
The game designers made elden ring have more damage and a higher level cap so they had to give the bosses more hp .
Wouldn't be very exciting if they didn't buff her because elden rings bosses are meant to be so ultra buffed .
But yeah I Mean lore wise both of them are God like so it makes sense .
Maria is a corpse when we fight her so rot wouldn't do anything anyways.
@@pixelgearsita found it or not
your saying doesn't matter
what matter is the truth
Why is Malenia doing so little damage compared to Maria's attacks? Seems like you nerfed the hell out of Malenia for this fight.
elden ring bosses just hit massively hard compared to older games, if they didn't nerf her it wouldn't be much of a fight lol
Melenia is not nerfed, Maria is buffed. He showed the original stats fight, but I like the buffed one better because it's 1 sided otherwise.
Though I get that the whole idea is 'what boss would win, as is.' The bosses that could beat her wouldn't have as great a video as this.
@@Karan-fz2cobloodborne bosses hit harder and ds3 huts harder
@@MrHakubi that makes more sense yeah
@@fathergascoigne2450 they don't, you can survive one hit from almost every boss in those games even at sl1/bl4 with sub par armor. try doing that in er, you'd end up having to stack 50 different buffs and it still seems impossible. both the player and the enemies are glass canons in er unless u really go for the heavier armor sets n atleast a dragoncrest greatshield tali.
Finally garden of eyes managed to bring a boss from another "From" game into Elden Ring.
Well done Garden👍🏻.
In this video it is clear that you wanted to give the victory to Lady Maria.
In the 2 round Whit original stats she couldn't even get her into the 2 phase, and another obvious detail, she didn't get the Rot.
As far as it is obvious, Malena destroy it.
that's not just ez
it is beyond that
literally a copy pasta work
where's the shocking in this ?
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735have you ever even tried to mod the game this is atleast hundreds of hours of work
@@omarj.2460 yes and it is not a hundred of hours
@@ValomyrsLight you will get the fvck of it for free once it is finished
be patient chainsaw man fan
@@kaiserdetectivegolden2735as I told you on the other thread do it and I'll pay you 10k
Please do more of these cross over Fromsoft boss fights, they're amazing.
8:28 the way they dodge each other's attacks here is so.. beautiful.
Please do Sister Friede, Lady Maria, Malenia and Emma THE ULTIMATE WAIFU BATTLE ROYALE
Lady Butterfly)
@@rackhirarcher find god
@@rackhirarcher I would chose Emma
Covetous demon aswell😍😍
Ludwig vs Godric is also a god tier fight, should it ever happen.
One of the best boss x boss videos that i've seen so far - what a thrill
How much damage buff do you want to give Lady Maria?
-Yes.
Malenia: "I am Malenia, Blade of Miquella, and I have never known defeat."
Maria: "You girl, are insufferable. Only an honest death will cure you now."
And just like that, I lost NNN.
I like how heavily handicapped Malenia has to be for Maria to even stand a chance.
- Rot immunity
- Boosted stats Maria round 1/last
- No HP back on hits for round 2
You should have just opened up with original stats at least + life steal to really show how far apart they are.
0_o
Yeah one is a gimmick boss and one is carefully crafted boss, pretty easy to see which is which even those shes in a whole different game
@@theperiodofpringel7498 “carefully crafted” can get taken from 100 to zero in four ripostes on a good build. Maria isn’t bad but she’s legit just female Gwyn to me her weakness is too glaring/free.
@@waltersullivan2727 good point but its the same for malenia and with the various way to break eldenring , so lets say its your first play though of both games in eldenring the chance you have a broken build that can defeat her with low effort is high, but in bloodborne you cant block maria you have to learn parry timing and still have a risk of a quick death and have to be focused ,regardless im just mad that bloodborne is kinda being forgotten and imo the bosses are better whilst eldenrings are far more cinematic
@@theperiodofpringel7498maria is easy and weak
Whoaa now i can imagine the battle 3 bosses Friede vs Maria vs Malenia
That will be the most anime fight ive seen in quite some time
What about Artorias, Fume Knight, Gael, Gehrman, Isshin and Godfrey? You vs chad boys.
Atorias Vs Maliketh
@@leman7648 Or how about Gwyn instead of Artorias, and Vendrick instead of Fume Knight.
And also add Old King Allant from Demon Souls.
That way, it can be a fight between the strongest old men of Soulsborne.
@@pokimanefartcompilation Allant yes, but Gwyn and Vendrick fights were not so interesting
"I am Malenia. Blade of Miquella. And I have never known defe-."
*GUN* 0:23
". . . What the hell was that?!"
I'm glad that this is happening! I long to see DS3 bosses vs Elden Ring!
Bloodborne not dark souls
Waited for this since the day I visited Haligtree...
What is the music that starts at 4:13? (At Round 2). Does anyone know?
I find it! "Blood and Guts and Guts and Blood (Berserk 2016)"
“Canonically I think Malenia is stronger.”
Did people just forget Maria helped kill the equivalent of an outer god?
Maria has agility and a Bloodspill / Hemorrhage buff and a debilitizing moves with a greater than average speed. She also has several dash attacks.
Malenia on the other hand, has blitzing speed, heals everytime she manages to land a succesfull hit, and has a nuke which is the size of the Fire Giant's head. Has 2 devastating abilities
Not really a nuke just a big flower but lady maria has a nuke that can destroy large bosses heath bars it dose 6k damage or 8k
also, the RNG is Malenia's biggest friend in any fights. in my first playthrough I took her down in lesser than 30 tries. in NG+7 she's absolutely bullshit using her Waterfowl Dance relentlessly in 2nd phase even though I'm not dealing any damage to her just yet lmao.
This seems to be in Maria's favor for some reason. Why is so so resistant to Rot?
Because undead, dream girls don't get sick?
@@LucanoGaming But status effects still work in the Nightmare
Lol Maria's poise and, more specifically, poise damage seem to be a bit....."Performance Enhancing Drug-ish" if you know what i mean. Wonder how many times Malenia won before Maria decided to hit the gym and pump some slide bar.
Pov: you accidentally made eye contact with both of them at a party
Idk how you did this but this is amazing. Please do more of these.
The camerawork is also nice, keep it up.
I don’t remember Lady Maria being this strong…something seems off about the damage she’s dealing.
Same thing I'm thinking no way she's dealing 3 time more damage
Fixed
@@poweredbythemakyostar8896 yeah man, like there’s multiple points she deals like 3000+ damage in one attack. There’s no point, not even NG+7 where lady Maria one shot me. Seems iffy….like they buffed her or something. But what do I know 🤷🏻♂️
Damage scaling in bloodborne is so low in comparison to elden ring that if it went unchanged there'd be no way. Refer to round 2. That's how bloodbornes stats scaled
@@JEnkins91589 gotcha. So she is buffed.
@@isaachaze6321 matching elden rings scaling, but yes.
I forgot how powerful Lady Maria final phase was. Her blood is literally burning.
Well, he buffed Maria a lot, she was given 4x hp and 5x ap and immunity to rot to make a fair match, he over tuned Maria. Malenia is canonically way more stronger than Maria, she's a demi god and software said she's the hardest boss they created. If he didn't buff Maria there would be no fight, Malenia would have won easily.
@@spec1512Your cry baby comment is so misplaced that you missed he was talking about facing Maria and the visuals. Not the performance displayed here. 😂
@@Trials22 ?
In the first fight, Maria is certainly buffed, she practically took no damage
Sister Friede vs Malenia vs Lady Maria. Epic Battle.
2:52
SOYlenia: *NOW* *ROT!* 😡 *eldritch curse flower attack*
Lady CHADria: 🗿
Lady MarySueia
Though this may not be the most canonical ending to a fight as such, I'd argue this showcases the strengths of the two.
Melania as a strong demigod focused on dexterity and evasiveness. She engages with a flurry of attacks at a time, and most human foes would not be able to withstand such force. Hence Rahdan fought her to a stalemate due to his endurable nature.
Maria, however, is sort of weak and frail in comparison. Her targets were mostly beasts. A fight that should be ended in seconds because they may not be as fast/strong/agile as a beast. We see that her attacks focus on dealing MASSIVE poise damage. Staggering Melania multiple times. That's her Huntress style, to knock them down, and rip their guts out.
Anyway that was my over analyzation. Honestly would be a little hard to be sure of who would have came out on top, a demi-god that knows battles aplenty? Or a vile-blood that have hunted beast perhaps far stronger/bigger/faster than she.
Flowing water v.s. Quickening evasion.
Booming Scarlet Rot v.s. Flaming Vile Blood
Yet, it seems...
Dexterity v.s. Skill
Failure v.s. Failure
Grief v.s. Grief
So different, so similar
Both amazing characters
their fight were so epic and cinematic! both strong and light as a feather! both had so many cool and badass moments!
i wonder how a battle royale of all the badass ladies from all souls games reunited would look like: Priscilla and/or Gwyndolin (yes, he's a waifu too) for ds1, friede for ds3, maria for bloodborne, malenia for elden ring.
demon souls, sekiro, and ds2 are the ones i am the less familiar with about badass ladies (yet i guess nashandra could count among the waifus in some ways xD)
You know a game is good when you can pit bosses from them and they fight like they were designed to fight each other
Why didn't you do any matches where they just fought as they actually were ,at original stats? First and third were "Maria's massively boosted, Malenia's unchanged" (e.g. she definitely doesn't do 4,000+ damage with a two-hit combo like she does at 3:13) and the second was "Maria's the same but Malenia's nerfed."
Lady Maria x Malenia x Sister Friede battle. when? 👀👀
I really like how Maria’s high poison resistance carries over from bloodborne
Poison and scarlet rot are two entirely different things.
Maria should not be immune to scarlet rot.
@@pokimanefartcompilationnah
Well scarlet rot is essentially poison
@@pokimanefartcompilation she has two types of poison resistance and one of the poisons is like scarlet rot. scarlet rot also doesn't work on actual undead. which Maria is literally a corpse. so yeah it shouldn't work on her technically.
@@vixenxia2475Rot doesn’t particularly care if it’s a corpse or not. You can rot skeletons and Deathbirds in Elden Ring just fine (plus the giant rotting skulls in Caelid are covered in it). Rot for the most part can’t affect contraptions/mechanical enemies like the Giant Golems or the marionettes. After all, anything that’s “organic” will be at the mercy of the rot.
I wonder why I was 120% rooting for Maria 😂 4:01 had me on the edge of my seat cheering
FUCKING SAME I GAVE A STANDING OVATION!!
You could say you were... Rotting for her.
My grandmother made her own 121st peach cream birthday cake and watched this video with the cutest smile known to humanity. Amen.
I'm so fuckin confused. We can port Bloodborne bosses into Elden Ring?!? How does that even work and has someone ported every boss so that way we can fight them around this world??? If there's a way to port every souls boss into Elden Ring that would be incredible.
I think this really goes to show how damn good Maria is. Bloodborne is almost 10 years old and she still kicks so much ass. My favourite soulsborne character EVER!
Well he had to give her some serious advantages to make it fair. For some reason she got Rot Immunity, did insane Poise damage, and had both health and damage buffed by over ×4 each at least.
@@omnipresentl1316 She wasn't immune to rot..her health is just high, it damaged her. Also in my experience, Melenia is just squishy, even compared to her.
@@MrHakubi Malenia's rot deals dmg based on % of health, so yes, he clearly made Maria immune to it or else she would have gotten completely annihilated after Malenia's phase transition.
@@bunklypeppzno shit Sherlock, bloodborne has lower numbers overall in scaling of course he’s gonna give her more damage
@@user-qd5sz1bo1p In what way did your comment have anything to do with mine? I was pointing out the fact that Maria was clearly modified to be unaffected by scarlet rot; I didn't even refer to scaling or Maria's damage at all.
i know you guys buffed maria a lot so that it's a close fun fight but come on, that was a bit too much. also the fact that Malenia gets staggered for like 10 secs every time she gets hit and still almost wins shows how badass this woman is, jeez .-.
Melania has a really easy stagger she can be staggers by even some simple attacks I tested it I literally tons of weapons against her she can be staggered easily
What? Maria barely won those two fights. Literally one or two attacks away from losing.
Maria is a joke compared to Malenia. If i remember i either first tried or second tried maria.
Malenia was a gauntlet that truly tested my patience, and i dont rage, but i got close lmao several several hours of figuring it out.
Will other dark souls 3 bosses make it?
It would be really awesome to see radagon fight either soul of cinder or Gehrman or have Gundyr a fistfight with Godfrey or have moonlight presence fight the elden beast or midir.
Malenia has two phases and the most broken abilities among bosses in Elden Ring
Also gets two entire health bars*
Okay?
@@devious6947they designed her to be difficult on purpose, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing just a statement
@@randyneves9701Difficulty is fine as long as it's fair. While waterfowl dance is bs it's still manageable. What however isn't fair is that she regains health with every hit now when you combine THIS with waterfowl it's borderline absurd. Mind you I still beat her but I'm not gonna fight her alone ever again. Difficulty for the sake of difficulty is not good game design imo
@@aleksiheija8170 I agree, that's because Malenia's movesets belong in Sekiro, those moves don't suit in souls games.
Funny how Maria is breaking Malenia poise with 2 hit attack but Malenia hasn't broke Maria posie once with loads of attacks.......seems legit
Well remember how bb poise is different than er poise, idk if they added that to here as well, or if it’s something different
@amanwithnoplan7648 Bloodborne doesn't have Poise for Hunters thats the reason for the Gun parry system so people can counter attack against humanoid enemies
Shows that you have not played bloodborne. Do your research first before judging.
You can't "stance break" Lady Maria, or any boss for that matter in Bloodborne.
Stance Break in Bloodborne Works different... To stance Break in Blood you need to gun shot at exact time an enemy attacks or a charged attack(Blue Glow) behind the enemy..
in ER the stance break happens for a couple of reasons, mostly heavy attacks and jump attacks. Quite similar to sekiro stance breaking
Very close, I’d say if you did this same battle 100 times it would be about a 50/50 split on the victor. Props to both of them, both very fierce!☺️💕
Well, he buffed Maria a lot, she was given 4x hp and 5x ap and immunity to rot to make a fair match, he over tuned Maria. Malenia is canonically way more stronger than Maria, she's a demi god and software said she's the hardest boss they created. If he didn't buff Maria there would be no fight, Malenia would have won easily.
Леди Мария победила 2 раза потому что на нее не влияет красная гниль, на самом деле "алая эония" очень сильная атака, но не в этом бою. И еще одна причина - Маления использует "водный танец" очень редко. В реальном игровом процессе она может сделать эту атаку несколько раз и восполнить очень много здоровья. Ну и билд на кровотечение - самый верный способ победить Малению.
HOLY SH*T MARIA, THAT DAMAGE IN THE FIRST ROUND. She was literally a nuclear bomb of damage in every single move, powerfull enough to ignore healing.
8:39 Lady Maria: "Puny god."
I would put Maria w/bleeding, to match stats. Bloodborne doenst have it, but those atacks for shure would bleed in Elden Ring.
Then Malenia gets Rot. Tit for tat.
That dodge at 8:29 . That anime scene before releasing both their attacks at 5:30, so damm cinematic and so many other moments.
Lol this Maria is ultra buffed with the hp of Hercules, the damage Superman, and rot and grab immunity. I do think she needs so buffs to balance out the fight but... that's a lot of stats
Bro, canonically Malenia would be fucking shredding her and it wouldn't be close
Here you can already see who will come out, this is Malenia, she has two strips of life, a freaking combo, she always heals from her blows, so Lady Maria unfortunately loses right away😢
lady maria won
@@oplopthejar Yeah but she was buffed far beyond her normal stats so it's not a genuine win, still a cool fight though.
@@oplopthejar, It was strange when Malenia beat Maria as if Maria had more health🤔
@@oplopthejar It seems to me that Lady Maria has added more life and increased her damage
@@rjsblanket3024, I agree
Hey since you are able to do this would it be possible to bring all the bosses from the souls series and have them go against the strongest boss out of all of the series
Two full scarlet aeonia and no rot? Lol ok even melania herself would get rotted by that
Nah, she has a shit ton of Rot Resistance, like 1.5k
On my Malenia cosplay run she just tanked it without succumbing to Rot. When I used it while the other bosses they were afflicted.
Wondered why she didn't and yea, 1.5k resistance.
they had to give maria rot immunity otherwise her ass would be dead 10 seconds into phase 2. it’s still obvious this was biased towards maria winning though, apparently her HP and damage have a MASSIVE buff, something like 5x the original amount
Lady Maria really decided fire was the best way to deal with rotting shrooms
Bro this is legit anime fight of two badass Waifus
One has 3 times the health bar with 10 times the poise damage. Its BS
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.. like some staggers are a bit much. And there's no scarlet rot, which kinda defeats the second phase. Like, I get the need for more health, but everything else it feels kinda one sided?
@@yourfriendly609 excactly
5x, easily. She has 14k at base. Here I counted 70+k, meaning 5x at a minimum. And don't forget the 5x damage multiplier. Compare the damage of her big attacks in the first fight, to the second fight. The charging sweep deals around 700 damage in the second fight, where she has normal stats. In the first fight, that same attack at one point deals 4122 damage, meaning literally 5x damage. So Maria was given 5x health and damage and infinite poise and immunity to Rot, and still barely won.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Literally like someone using God mode cheats and still almost losing.
Pretty diappointing seeing how this fight was disgustingly put in Maria's favor with faaaaar higher damage per hit than Malenia's and being immune to rot. I think it would have been more fair to equal the damage they do compared to their respective versions in each game, take away the rot immunity and giving Maria the parry efect with her gun
In game Maria doesn't actually gun parry I think. It's only a very specific phase 3 spin move that for some reason opens you up for a visceral (riposte).
@@prins-henrik1530no she can parry you with a gun, it’s just rare, i died a couple times to it
@@anomaly_jackie Interesting. When I was trying to get parried that way to see I'd it was even possible I had no luck. If you find a video of it would you mind sending it to me?
Malenia can be stunned quite easily, but Maria cannot. It says everything. (And plus the grab from Malenia just doesn’t work on Maria, which, by the way, does a lot of damage.)
Malenia does not stun lol she continues to attack when she SHOULD be stunned
@@revenant2160 Malenia has some attacks during which her poise increases and she cannot be stunned. But other attacks are easily interrupted and she can be stunned for a critical hit, which is what happens throughout the video.
@@EfimBroStudio yes which is bullshit since no boss does that except for some when phase changing.
It’s not as if it’s just big attacks such as the waterfowl or scarlet aownia, it’s like half of them. It’s simply not fair for players or other boss match ups especially when they are small or humanoid and can stagger easily
@@revenant2160 You, as a player, also have many skills that increase your poise and keep you from being knocked down. So I don't think it's unfair, especially for a character who is positioned as "not knowing defeat".
@@revenant2160 but you have a couple of things she doesn't. She doesn't have invincibility frames or a 100 percent blocking shield, so every hit you land will do damage. Also you are smarter, you see how bosses simply face tank most hits. That's not a good strategy.
what's the OST that plays at the second fight at 4:15? Is it an original composition from the modder? Either way I would like to hear more of it, if anyone knows it or has a link I would be glad lol
It makes sense that at their peak of power Maria narrowly prevails- she’s a hunter, they’re kind of designed to kill things bigger and scarier than they are.
That 1st fight was so tense and cinematic loved it
Давайте мы просто все скажем "спасибо" Леди Марии, за то что она повлияла на создание многих других боссов (сестра Фриде яркий пример). Даже у Малении есть похожий захват рукой как у Леди Марии
Damn that was so cool to watch ! Especially Lady Maria with her wide range blood and fire attacks. And she won !! Surprised how strong she can be, and beat two HP bars of Malenia who is also healing. Crazy !
She was given 4x hp and 5x ap to make it a fair match
@@user-ww9ww1pp2uand immunity to rot, they over tuned her
Malenia had a lot of disadvantages in this fight like her grab attack that basically does one shot didn't work, and the damage it does is ridiculous compared to Lady Maria, still, in both fights where he lost he was nothing to win even though Lady Maria was immune to Scarlet Rot, a true monster.
I see a lot of people talking about the Malenia nerfs/Maria buffs and honestly: Malenia deserves it. She's an annoyingly unfair boss to put against any AI, because she almost feels custom built to win any EvE battle:
- She has special hyper armour mechanics making her unstaggerable on key attacks (barring frost procs, which very few bosses do). This walls stagger bosses from cutting her attacks short, basically invalidating them because her stagger animation is so short they rarely get to punish even if she is staggered between moves.
- She falls in the category of "agile boss", so she can dodge a decent number of hits and chase down other bosses who try to do the same thing. Combine this with the aforementioned cheesy hyper armour and you can be relatively certain her hits will almost always land while the opponent struggles to catch her and gets flinched out of every trade.
- She has a whole second healthbar, which puts the vast majority of bosses at a massive disadvantage and healthgates her against strong attackers that could overwhelm traditional transformations or score a little extra damage before cutscene transformations. I'd love to see how many bosses she ACTUALLY beats if you split her up into two bosses like people sometimes do with Elden Beast and Radagon.
- She has stupid amounts of lifesteal paired with relentless attacks. Let's be real - EvE battles are often slugfests, with even extremely agile bosses taking a lot of hits. Her healthsteal is WAY stronger than it is in PvE, to the point of rendering most matchups moot. I'm always glad to see it removed, but I wouldn't mind seeing it just nerfed for EvE fights to like, 33% of its current value.
- Waterfowl Dance in both phases acts as a full heal and guranteed health bar shred that goes off at least once per battle in any ordinary fight, probably twice or more (and obviously it's one of her super special armour moves, so forget it being countered by the opponents big moves).
- Even if they get past first stage they're basically dead due to her second I win button: Scarlet Aonia. Heck, there's so much wrong with this in EVE that it deserves its OWN list, but due to youtube formatting restrictions I'll just list them off normally: She's guranteed to teleport to a set location and use this at the start of second stage. Very few AI enemies are capable of even PARTIALLY dodging it, never mind completely avoiding it - even super aggressive AI seem to hang back a little due to how high she hovers, and then charge in immediately after she lands. Even a grazing hit will probably proc rot because it has massive buildup, and a single rot proc will almost always decide the outcome of any relatively even fight due to the insane damage it deals to bosses. On top of this the damage from the attack itself is not insignificant. The height she gains also makes the move super safe, and the massive stagger and knockback tends to make the long recovery time largely redundant, as a boss only gets 1-2 good hits in exchange for losing most of their own healthbar to the damage field and subsequent rot - and that's assuming they have much of a healthbar left at all after dealing with the health steal of her first form drawing out the fight far longer than she has any right to.
It's a shame, because her base moveset is actually cool and I want to like her, but I just can't. It feels bad to even cheer for her because everything that gives her an edge is so cheap. She's not winning because her abilities are "powerful", she's winning because her abilities break every interaction in EvE. She feels like something I would have designed when I was twelve and just wanted my super cool OC to beat all the other characters. Stripping away at least a few of her features makes her seem more like an actual boss and less like a foregone conclusion that exists just to irritate you in every EvE compilation.
If the question is who's canonically stronger it probably goes to malenia as she's the daughter of a god, is a candidate to be a god, and is a god
While maria as of the lore in the wiki
Is just maria y'know
Maria with that 4x hp buff
I mean malenia got a 4x hp buff by design so of course.
No boss in any souls game has anywhere close to as much hp as malenia .
Elden ring bosses got buffed because of spirit ashes of course.
@@123NERDZ lol Just in this game there are many bosses that have more hp
Edit: also, Malenia doesn't get 4x the hp by regen if that's what you mean, she barely restores half over the course of the fight
@@s8theninjawarrior916 I meant that they just gave her an absolutely monstrous lol
@@123NERDZ she literally gets revived in the fight as she ascends, Malenia herself has 18k hp, which is less than Godfrey and MANY other bosses in the game, then gets revived completely, total of 34k hp with very poor defenses. Placidusax has 27k with insane defenses, Fire giant same case but he has 45k hp, Rykard has a total of 90k hp btw
5x, easily. She has 14k at base. Here I counted 70+k, meaning 5x at a minimum. And don't forget the 4x damage multiplier. Compare the damage of her big attacks in the first fight, to the second fight. The charging sweep deals around 700 damage in the second fight, where she has normal stats. In the first fight, it deals 4122 damage, meaning literally 5x damage. So Maria was given 5x health and damage and infinite poise and immunity to Rot, and still barely won.
3:53 So Awesome
Did not know my appreciation of Lady Maria could possibly het higher. This is insane. She's a remarkable hunter. Like... give her a flat surface and she'll spin the whole God. She's also very respectful: she patiently waited for Malenia to recover after a strong hit (yeah, I know Maria is just slow because she's from an older game, but let me have this, ok? Let me believe it's because of her personality). Makes me feel ashamed because of how poorly I did with Malenia.
The Maria in this video had 5x on everything. Nearly 70k health and up to 4k in a single hit. Any boss would have been shredded by this version. The only realistic depiction was the second battle, with original stats. Even though Malenia didn't have life steal, Maria still couldn't get her much below half hp
If Maria could gun parry, Malenia's cheating ass would be singing a different tune.
Thank you for making this epic fight ! Beautiful !
Honestly I ADORE it when these fights are super close! And what's more is that I love how they both have such similar moves and fighting styles! It's rare to see Boss battles where both actually feel matched
Ok, but where is the best of Waifu trio?
Now that I've seen it, I think you've buffed Maria too much, it's hard for me to believe that she's superior to Malenia.
Just look at round 2 and you'll see all you need to know about the other 2 rounds
@@s8theninjawarrior916 And Maria was buffed still in round 2. She had insane poise damage. Meanwhile Malenia was nerfed massively as her healing was taken away. And she still curbed using only 50% of her meager first phase.
@@TheStraightestWhitest lol exactly
I think she’s definitely been buffed to be as close as possible as she could be results wise
I loved how "Both at their peak" is just normal Malenia against 200% stronger Maria, asjkdbkasdbjaksd
3:07 This looks like the Formless Mother blessed Maria after Malenia's bloom.
"Rejoice child, I bless you with the blood of a new Dynasty."
We need this for dark souls as well, this mod is awesome!
I would say Maria wins, if Malenia didn't have Health Drain, but if Maria's phase shifts can deal enough damage and force Malenia into second phase, then Maria uses her third phase shift, then that is the only way i see Maria winning without HP buffs.
I really want Maria to win because I think her design is cooler, but i know Malenia to be a MENACE in her own game as well.
99% chance Malenia sweeps, but there is always that Perfect setup that Maria can use, If she can tank the phase 2 long enough to one-shot her. Malenia doesn't have too much health, she's got about 50~60k for both phases combined. (more of it is in her first phase).
Post Stream: Maria wins when their stats are even, but we saw the gap between their respective normal game stats, that was not even at all lol. all things considered it was still a really close fight outside of the free round for Malenia lol.I'm really glad they used the peak stats instead of their normal game stats, it goes to show how much stronger Bloodbornes' NG+ hits then Elden Rings. I don't like how they nerfed Marias' Phase attacks, but i'm willing to let it slide seeing how even they turned out to be.
Mid Comment War: You people need to chill down there, I'm not upset that Malenia won, I'm suprised Maria won at all. You people didn't even read my comment, you skimmed it. And some of you didn't even read the text on the video itself. Of course I have no actual Idea if they are NG+7 or not, do you honestly think I'm 100% sure about their stats. I see "Peak Stats" and assume NG+7. I was guessing with these comments by simply observing how it was playing out. Even stats means that they were optomized to be an equal fight, that's what this channel does, they make the fight as even as possible and watches how it plays out. There is 0 reason to get Salty over a fictional fight between two Titans of Power. Get a life you 30-40 year old men that have nothing better to do than get an Ego boost off of the first comment you see that has an opinion you don't agree with. Also, I find it hilarious you guys liked your own comments and even one of mine. Pick up a book and try not to skim through it, and pick up a hobby that isn't Ego Boosting. You lifeless Brick Walls. Have a nice rest of your day.
agreed, but i watchd again and i wasn't sure if they nerfed the phase attacks or if malenia just got out of range? That being said it felt like that 2nd fight it was forsure nerfed. Only major nerf i could tell from malenia's side was the fact that maria never got rotted even after 2 flowers, and the minior setback of no grabs
Lol Maria literally got 3x or 4x hp buff and you say its equal scaling? And even complain about Maria being nerfed???? 😂😂😂 Malenia has to do 10 attacks to do as much damage as 1 attack from Maria and she still got Maria to 1 hp, she's WAYYYY superior to Maria
@@s8theninjawarrior916 Dude chill, it's NG+7 scaled. and if it's not, they still have the same Hp and Damage scaling, Maria got more hits in, keeping her health higher than Malenia's
@@good5453 Maria landed the Phase 3 and it barely did anything. Versus her Vs Orphan which did pretty much 75% of his health.
@@s8theninjawarrior916 You're just salty, both even rounds went to Maria. I was suprised to see Maria win at all. Until i remembered Malenia's smaller health pool.(I say smaller because i fought them both at NG+7 in their respective games)
I think as she was fighting a much small character Malenia should’ve been able to use her pick and stab ability. I noticed if she had this regular ability she would’ve won.
If they gave that to Malenia then Maria should've been able to parry and riposte too. And let's be honest if she was Malenia would've been dead a long time ago with how much she was staggered alone.
I wonder how the fights would've gone if Maris could've used her visceral attacks; her gun was able to get a lot of staggers, so the visceral damage would've been no joke. I guess that mechanic couldn't be patched into ER.
The lore that fits together here is also kinda bonkers, considering we've fought Melania at her absolute peak, but we've never even HEARD of Maria's maximum potential. Only that she was able to rightly put all the other First Hunters on their asses SIMOULTANIOUSLY and with relative ease. It's the fragments of her will and already long-dead corpse that is holding back a literal outer god's wrath from several layers down in a dreamworld. Maria is a scary concept for a boss from lore perspective.